Thursday Caps Clips: Going Back to Cali
by EmilyB on Jan 5, 2012 6:57 AM EST
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Your savory breakfast links:
- Notes and assorted whatnot from Wednesday's optional practice:
- In general. [Capitals Report (audio), Caps365 (Hunter, Ovechkin), RtR]
- But there was really only one storyline at Kettler as the team and its fans anxiously awaited word on the condition of Nicklas Backstrom's noggin.
- Backstrom was "evaluated" and is presently listed as day-to-day. [WaPo, WashTimes (and again)]
- Jay Beagle speaks from experience ... [WashTimes]
- ... the players speak about their response when Rene Bourque jammed his elbow into Backstrom's jaw ... [WaPo, WashTimes]
- ... the pundits speak about the response they would have preferred... [DSP, CSNW]
- ... and the NHL Department of Player Safety speaks to the severity of Bourque's action by announcing a 5-game suspension. [Japers' Rink (video), WashTimes (transcript), NHL.com, ESPN, Puck Daddy]
- Here's to a modest four-game winning streak. Don't make any sudden moves. [WaPo]
- Game changer. [RtR]
- This and that. [Dump 'n Chase]
- A double-headed Russian Weagle is rising over America's Hockey Capital. [Sick Unbelievable]
- Has the Caps' power play turned that proverbial corner? [KOL]
- He said, he said on the latest Alex Ovechkin nontroversy. [NHL.com, Puck Daddy, WashTimes]
- Dennis Wideman stopped by for a chat on NHL Home Ice...[NHL.com]
- ... and Brooks Laich did his Sports Junkies spot. [106.7 The Fan]
- The Hershey Bears are gearing up for their own Outdoor Classic:
- Keith Aucoin is literally gearing up. [Patriot-News]
- Braden Holtby is your starter, and will most likely be facing Michael Leighton. [Patriot-News]
- Boyd Kane and Ryan Potulny have some Philly ties and can't wait to play hockey in the baseball stadium. [Patriot-News]
- The rosters were announced for the AHL All-Star Game. Congrats to Keith Aucoin, Chris Bourque, and playing captain Boyd Kane. [The AHL]
- Evgeny Kuznetsov is tearing it up at the WJCs for the second year in a row, and his success is apparently a bitter pill for some to swallow. Fortunately, cooler heads have prevailed. [Japers' Rink, Buzzing the Net, Scotty Wazz, Hell on Ice, Nick On Sports, hockey yelling]
- But it's not just about one game. Kuznetsov can bring it. [Sportsnet.ca, Buzzing the Net, Fox Sports, ESPN Insider $]
- And the card collectors are taking notice. [Canada Card World]
- Finally, happy 24th birthday to Mathieu Perreault, happy 37th to Mike Grier and happy 44th to Joé Juneau.
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From the sportsnet.ca piece...
Before the midway mark of the second period, Kuznetsov completed the hat trick on a goal that would end Canadian goalie Scott Wedgewood’s night. The enigmatic Russian scored on a breakaway after a bad change by the Canadian defence gave him the glorious chance to extend the lead.
Is there a memo somewhere that says all Russians are “enigmatic?”
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by ThePeerless on Jan 5, 2012 7:06 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I almost wished they could have blown that lead the other night so Kuz would truly be a Washington Capital.
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“enigmatic Russian” returns over 97,000 Google results.
That'll make your weagle wink!
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About 10,000, but they all reference Damien Cox
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by ThePeerless on Jan 5, 2012 7:31 AM EST up reply actions 10 recs
and speaking of "Big D"
OK, we’re not saying DC is his destination (Cox is saying — quel suprise! — Toronto), but hey, since Eric Fehr is gone…here’s the Caps’ chance to right a wrong.
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Want.
Unfortunately, the Caps no longer have the pieces that Anaheim would most want in return – Fleischmann, Steckel and Laing.
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Just trying to think about what their coach might want, besides a pint of rum raisin.
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by J.P. on Jan 5, 2012 8:20 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
You know, Boudreau has his share of faults, but am I the only one who believes he was doing nothing more than playing to the cameras (and the narrative) with the whole Haagen-Dazs thing?
"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."
People who complain about anyone thinking ice cream at 10 am in a mall is a bad idea probably stop at Dunkin Donuts for a couple of glazed for breakfast.
I thought it was (and is still) pretty funny and charming in a way…very “Bruce-ian”
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I was just making a little funny. I love Bruce.
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And because someone else would have if not you? Eh, it’s yesterday’s news, and maybe if he had to do it over again he wouldn’t have done that. Or maybe he would.
"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."
No, because I thought it was a funny little throwaway line. Didn’t mean to offend.
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The folks who use the Haagen-Dazs thing as a club to beat on Bruce don’t reside in these parts. They come from the usual places…Primanti Bros…Pat’s King of Steaks…those type places.
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I just had Primanti bros for the first time last week. It was dog food. I’m not sure how that place became famous.
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by _Skullduggery_ on Jan 5, 2012 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
Try ordering one of the people food sammidges, you’d probably have a better experience.
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by Rob Parker on Jan 5, 2012 1:02 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I don’t think they serve those there.
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by _Skullduggery_ on Jan 5, 2012 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
I hear Jeff Schultz isn’t that busy lately. Not that I want him to be traded, but I also want him to play, and if one isn’t going to happen under Dale Hunter, the other is the only fair option.
It’d be an interesting move given that Schultz doesn’t seem to fit the system, but, we’d be trading to a team that is right now a victim of extremely shallow defensive depth.
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Yeah, their depth is bad, I see why they’d want him.
But when injuries hit, and they will, would anyone prefer to have Collins or McNeil play than the ill-fitting Schultz? Even as the 8D, Schultz is a better option than anything else. It’s not like moving him at this point is going to have huge salary cap benefits either. It’s hard to see how moving 55 makes sense unless it’s just one of a cascade of moves, which I think is highly unlikely.
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depends on if they’d want to wheel and deal, but, honestly I don’t see anyone on their roster that improves the Caps. Any of their top 6 forwards can’t carry a line by themselves or has a NMC and Hiller is probably broken, and too expensive.
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Which players? I’ve always thought RPG was a sum of its parts, not individual talent.
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I think any of the 3 of RPG would be huge additions. I think Beauchemin would help on D. I think Cam Fowler would provide some not-needed competition for “biggest F&B man-crush on the blueline.”
Please, call me F&B.
Beauchemin over Lydman? I guess Lydman has lost (several) steps but I’d still go for Lydman over Beauchemin….
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Just to clarify here, you’re saying moving Schultz just to move him would be a bad idea and not moving him would be a bad idea PERIOD.
In other words, if the opportunity to improve our roster elsewhere (say 2nd line center) for a price that included our 7th or 8th defenseman came along you wouldn’t be against it just because it weakens our defensive depth.
by HockeyGoalie29 on Jan 5, 2012 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
No, for a 2C I’d move Schultz. And so would any GM. But there’s no deal that is straight up Schultz for a 2C. So now it’s like “Schultz and a First for a 2C.” I’d still consider it, depending on the 2C, but I’d try to find a different supplemental asset to throw in. And even after that trade is done, the Caps are back to looking for some defensive depth.
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Grammar police reporting for duty – that’s “wary”, not “weary”, right?
"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."
Ah, okay then. Not how I was reading it.
Uh, who’d they move lately?
"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."
leary?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 5, 2012 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
Wallace Beery. Wrestling picture. What do you need, a roadmap?
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by Alz in the family on Jan 5, 2012 12:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Just trying to think about what their coach might want, besides apinthalf-gallon of rum raisin.
Fixed.
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jan 5, 2012 9:24 AM EST up reply actions
Ilya Kovalchuk… enigmatic or not enigmatic?
Evgeni Malkin… enigmatic or not enigmatic?
Pavel Datsyuk… enigmatic or not enigmatic?
Artem Anisimov… enigmatic or not enigmatic?
Anton Volchenkov… enigmatic or not enigmatic?
Vladimir Putin… enigmatic or not enigmatic?
Yakov Smirnov… enigmatic or not enigmatic?
Boris Badenov… enigmatic or not enigmatic?
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Ilya Bryzgalov… enigmaticly awesome.
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by BetterOffWith28 on Jan 5, 2012 7:47 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
If they just renamed Russia “Enigmat,” all these lazy journos would no longer be using their not-so-secret code word, but rather would simply be mentioning nationality.
“Alex Semin is Enigmatic.”
“Why yes he is – he’s from Krasnoyarsk, Enigmat, in fact.”
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I bet he played pond hockey on the frozen surface of Mercurial Bay.
by jopierce on Jan 5, 2012 8:09 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions 1 recs
Kovalchuk – Enigmatic
Malkin – Enigmatic
Datsyuk – Enigmatic, but only because Canadians think he’s the only Russian who plays defense.
Anisimov – Enigmatic, except if you’re a duck and it’s hunting season
Volchenkov – Enig….. (Answer blocked!)
Putin – No way to know, and if you find out he has to kill you
Smirnov – Enigmatic…and annoying
Badenov – Not Enigmatic, you know exactly what he wants to do to Moose and Squirrel
Bryzgalov – HuMANNNgously enigmatic.
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jan 5, 2012 9:27 AM EST up reply actions
They do things that Canadian hockey writers don’t understand. Smile, shoot a lot, think getting punched in the face doesn’t sound like a lot of fun, and generally harbor a baffling misconception about hockey, i.e., that it has the potential to be enjoyable, that sort of thing.
It’s baffling.
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think getting punched in the face doesn’t sound like a lot of fun,
You stay classy, Brad Marchand.
by jopierce on Jan 5, 2012 8:43 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
See, there’s a nice, admirable Canadian boy playing hockey the right way, which is to say making it painful and ugly. Life is all about self abnegation and endurance. Like a root canal.
That’s hockey!
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by fat_daddyo on Jan 5, 2012 8:50 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Once upon a time, Don Cherry was heard to remark something to the effect of how Alex Ovechkin would “get his” as a result of all the lumber he was laying on opponents with big hits. Wonder what Donnie the Magnificent thinks about this weasel?
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I dunno specifically about Marchand but Cherry did say that Crosby was asking for it when he came back from his concussion before he went back out again. Said he “was looking for trouble and in this league when you look for trouble you usually find it.”
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I do remember seeing that particular rant on HNIC. And he had video clips to back up his argument.
I don't want to work, I want to hang on the blog all day.
it was pretty spectacular.
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Fuck the Sedins. Seriously. If there’s a couple of guys who deserve a good face wash. . .
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Can you just face wash one and the other will feel it?
/Tomax and Xamot’d
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by J.P. on Jan 5, 2012 10:00 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
OT, but there was a commenter on TheAVClub who did that gimmick. It was brilliant.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 5, 2012 10:07 AM EST up reply actions
Hey….Sedin is not English for “punch me in the face” or “headlock me in a scrum”.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 5, 2012 10:01 AM EST up reply actions
No, it’s Swedish for “gutless diving puke.”
Honestly, if I had been in Marchand’s place I’d have probably done the same thing.
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Ha — you need to read the defense of the Sedins on Puck Daddy. It’s…something.
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by Scott in Shaw on Jan 5, 2012 10:06 AM EST up reply actions
Someoe should do it, you know, for science. I’ll probl will get my ass kicked if I try … yeah, I’m that bad at fighting.
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by BetterOffWith28 on Jan 5, 2012 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
This question was supposed to be posted earlier….I missed something on this discussion. Why do the Sedin’s need a beat-down?
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poor Daniel.
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Did anyone see the video of Thorton putting his finger in Henriks face during a meeting with the officials at a previous game? They played it during their game Monday night. Was dying when I saw it.
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He would be fantastic on 24/7.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 5, 2012 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
The Joe Thornton chest toupee which was sold on the Sharks Home Shopping Network is well worth the money.
by Rather Bengt on Jan 5, 2012 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
So how many other people fled to capgeek immediately after seeing that Bob Murray put his whole roster (outside of Koivu and Selanne) on auction?
I had no idea that Lubo was 35. I thought he was a lot younger.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 5, 2012 7:52 AM EST reply actions
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Also, this picture made me shudder.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 5, 2012 7:54 AM EST up reply actions
::reaches for PTSD meds::
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by fat_daddyo on Jan 5, 2012 8:19 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I wonder how many choruses of “Guess it wasn’t the coach” they’ve endured over there.
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Corey Perry
GIMME GIMME GIMME GIMME GIMME GIMME GIMME GIMME GIMME GIMME GIMME GIMME GIMME GIMME GIMME GIMME GIMME GIMME GIMME GIMME
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That would be a perfect fit with your “build around wingers” philosophy.
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by Rob Parker on Jan 5, 2012 10:06 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Screw it. Perry actually drives play.
I also don’t think Murray would trade Getzlaf.
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Not necessarily. And teams value different players differently (otherwise trades would be rare). Getzlaf is the captain and Anaheim is woefully thin at center after him and Koivu. Koivu is pushing 40, so he’s clearly not part of the future. The presence of Ryan, Etem and Smith-Pelley might make Perry. . . not expendable, but perhaps more easily replaced in their lineup.
We both know I’m on record as valuing centers over equivalent wings. I just don’t think the two players are equivalent in this case.
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Well if Perry or Getzlaf (or Ryan) get moved it’ll be fore Core pieces. Murray said he has the core pieces in place so he may not blow up the team. They are in the process of figuring out who is going to be there going forward. To me that says “if anything happens it’ll be a core-for-core swap.” Maybe I’m mis-reading it. That’s also why I don’t think anything will happen. Core-for-core swaps are pretty rare.
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Question: how would Lars Eller’s spin-o-rama penalty shot when they’re already blowing a Canadian team out of the water be received if he was born 1,000 miles east of his actual birthplace?
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He’ll always get a little bit of cover because he plays for the Candiens, but good point.
Imagine if Ovechkin did it for the Capitals against the Maple Leafs at ACC? Vitriole.
Imagine if Crosby or Eberle or Iginla did it against the Capitals? It would either be ignored or played off as a bit of fun.
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Eric Francis would have a gaping wound in his vagina over the whole thing.
Don Cherry would, too. Of course, Don Cherry might be exercised about the spinorama anyway; we’ll see on the next Coaches Corner.
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don’t lump Francis in with us women. we don’t want him associated with us. He’s got a dick, he’s your problem.
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by RedBirdie on Jan 5, 2012 9:41 AM EST up reply actions 19 recs
I thought there was a ban on linking to Tracee Hamilton? I can’t get past her byline to read her fluff.
Glad we didn’t change anything after the seven game winning streak to start the season. That worked out well.
Nice guys finish first, but sometimes the season is awfully long.
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I miss mainstream news publications having high standards.
by jopierce on Jan 5, 2012 8:14 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I guess the 0-6 worst start in the Wizards history is a waste of her time?
Nice guys finish first, but sometimes the season is awfully long.
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It’s weird that both the best thing AND the worst thing that could happen in this city is the Redskins making the playoffs.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 5, 2012 8:18 AM EST up reply actions
Members of the 1972-73 Philadelphia Sixers team are paying attention to the Wizards…
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And the 1974-75 Caps…
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jan 5, 2012 9:30 AM EST up reply actions
How? Opposing football teams seem to have no trouble hitting the Redskins…
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jan 5, 2012 9:29 AM EST up reply actions
Washington has a hockey team?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 5, 2012 8:15 AM EST up reply actions
Don't read it!
This has to be in the running for the most cliches/mixed metaphors over a two-sentence span ever:
The Capitals used to be Washington’s ace in the hole, the go-to winter team when all others had fallen short. Then came this season, which started with promise then fell down the rabbit hole — or maybe just one of our ubiquitous potholes — but nonetheless, off the rails went the Caps and their once-crowded caravan.
Awful, just awful.
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by Scott in Shaw on Jan 5, 2012 10:13 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
WaPo fired all their editors?
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Isn’t Tracee one of the editors in addition to being a “columnist”?
by kingbonehead on Jan 5, 2012 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t believe she’s an editor any more, but you are correct that she was an editor at the Post. Which is a terrifying thought.
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Quick, somebody enter that into the Bulwer-Lytton Bad Writing Contest.
It was a dark and stormy night….
It was the best of seasons, it was the worst of seasons, it was the age of the trap, it was the age of the 1-2-2 forecheck, it was the epoch of belief, it was the epoch of incredulity, it was the season of Light, it was the season of Darkness, it was the winter of hope, it was the spring of despair, we had everything before us, we had nothing before us, we were all going direct to the Stanley Cup parade, we were all going direct the other way—to Upper Marlboro, probably. In short, the period was so far like the present period, that some of its noisiest authorities – like Don Cherry or Mike Milbury – insisted on its being received, for good or for evil, in the superlative degree of comparison only.
There were a coach with a large jowl and a GM with a plain face, on the top of the parking lot at Kettler; there were a coach with a large head and a GM with a fair face – well, by hockey standards — on the ice in London (Ontario, not England). In both countries it was clearer than crystal to the lords of hockey that things in general were settled for ever…
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by ThePeerless on Jan 5, 2012 11:01 AM EST up reply actions 7 recs
I thought you would go for something more T.S. Eliot, Wasteland.
April is the cruelest month, leading Caps fans into the sad land, mixing memory and desire, stirring high hopes with spring pain. Winter kept us warm, covering DC in forgetful snow, feeding a little light with red rockers. Summer surprised us, coming over was G Tomas V with a promise of reign; we stopped in the promenade and went on in limelight, into the Phone Booth, and drank coffee, and talked for an hour (about whether or not Semin cared)
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by kingzman264 on Jan 5, 2012 6:52 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
What’s worrisome here is according to Shanahan, Bourque explained that the elbow was “an instinctive reflex”. It’s one thing to lay a shoulder hit on Backstrom, late or not, but it’s another to raise your elbow towards another player’s head
I’ve seen a lot of players blame different things on why they hit someone in the head, but this is probably the first time I’ve seen someone blame Duran Duran.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 5, 2012 8:17 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I believe “instinctive reflex” comes to you straight from the Department of Superfluous Redundant Repetition.
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I thought it was the Department of Redundancy Department. Oh, well.
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potvin
Heard Denny Potvin on NHL Home Ice this morning claiming the elbow was a defensive reaction to being hit by nicky’s stick. What!!!! Stuff like this really bothers me because the forums available like NHL Home Ice do a horrible job keeping their talking heads anchored to reality.
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by can't skate on Jan 5, 2012 11:28 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
As in, “I tripped Bengt Gustafsson and broke his leg as a defensive measure from his skating by?”
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Man, fuck that guy.
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by J.P. on Jan 5, 2012 11:32 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Potvin cheap-shotted Bengt so bad he fucked his kid up.
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by J.P. on Jan 5, 2012 11:35 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
That came naturally. The cheapshot just accentuated it.
by Rather Bengt on Jan 5, 2012 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
Denis Potvin is such a painfully awful analyst. Absolutely terrible.
Release the Mackan!
by Killer_Carlson on Jan 5, 2012 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
When I used to sit in Section 117, I had a seat in the first row of the loge section, and often the visiting team’s TV team would do pre-game from the concourse level right in front of me. When Potvin came in with the Panther TV team, he’d be there. I was always of a mind to mutter “bengt…bengt…bengt…bengt” whenever he was on air.
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from ESPN's Lebrun
…the bigger-picture story for the Caps, who finally have their mojo back and are playing their best hockey under Dale Hunter. What really jumps out at me is the puck possession they have right now. This is the kind of hockey that this lineup should be playing.
emphasis mine
Any thoughts on pre- and post-Hunter Fenwick lines?
The Caps are playing better, but I wouldn’t say it’s because they’ve turned into possession hogs. I’d point to better defense, special teams and goaltending. AO waking up has helped a little bit too.
Cross check and all call.
In the most recent SI that hit my kitchen counter yesterday, McGuire is praising of the Caps PK.
It has taken some time, but the Capitals appear to be back on track under Dale Hunter, who took over as coach on Nov. 28. After beating the Sabres 3-1 last week, they had killed off 23 straight opposition power plays at home. The key to Washington’s penalty kill has been an emphasis on quick changes for the forwards and pressuring the puck in all three zones.
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With just a couple exceptions—the 21+15 fiasco a couple weeks ago standing out—the PK has been otherworldly. Can’t help but think it’s going to regress a bit with a little more study. But it’s sure as hell hard to beat fresh legs.
Cross check and all call.
For sure believe that a good part of the PK success is small sample size variance – no one can be that good.
I have definitely noticed the short shifts and rapid changes.
I take some issue with the puck pressure. I feel like the PK is about puck pressure, but it’s about pressure at the right time and place. When the puck isn’t in the right place at the right time, they’re more passive than they were under BB.
I’ve been meaning to pull together some screen caps to flesh this out for a fanpost to test this theory.
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Buy. I’d love to see what you come up with, but it seems to me that once the puck goes below the dots along the boards, the PK’ers are making life miserable for the opposing PP with heavy pressure. It also seems like there’s less pressure on the points—the Caps seem content to let’em bomb away from distance, give the goalie a good view and clean up rebounds. More blocks too.
Cross check and all call.
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I think it might depend on how you define possession. The shot chart certainly doesn’t appear to have gone in the right direction under Dale:
That said, actual puck possession might tell a different story… or it might just be narrative.
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I think it’s fair to say that it’s not so much actual puck possession, but better efficiencies (and luck) under Dale: the Caps are generating goals despite fewer SOG, and preventing goals despite getting routinely out-Fenwick’d.
Cross check and all call.
Well, I guess Lebrun didn’t say that “what really jumps out at [him about] the puck possession they have right now” is that they have a lot of it…
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Yeah, how do you define puck possession? It’s one thing to have the puck but a whole other to do something worthwhile with it. If you have the puck but can’t generate the opportunities (and maybe instead, you just pass a lot), should that count against you?
We talked about this a bit in yesterday’s Noon Number discussion. “Possession” as measured by things like Fenwick and Corsi isn’t really “possession,” just the best proxy we’ve got for it, since no one’s got a stop watch on actual possession, like it’s tracked in video games or the NFL. There’s no statistical measure that I’m aware of that credits a strong cycle or even O-zone time.
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http://behindthenet.ca/WSH_2011.html
Click on the game for the individual game timelines (and change the year in the URL for previous years… and if anyone wants to dig out some of the more notable games in recent history, that might be fun).
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For example, here’s Caps 10, Bruins 2:
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Ah yes. The infamous “THE HOCKEY GODS WILL GET YOU!! Game”
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 5, 2012 9:37 AM EST up reply actions
the “how many times can Boston switch goalies?” game.
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I wonder at what point, score-wise, do score effects shift away from the losing team and back toward the winning team? Because it sure looks like the Caps blew past that point about 8.5 minutes in to that game.
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The impression I get is that it depends. Some teams give up and fall apart, others continue to ramp up the pressure, but even so, the leading team may just go on cruise control and zone out as well. I think you’ll first start seeing this at three goals with easily-demoralized teams like this one.
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Remember that awesome Caps comeback in Atlanta en route to the 2008 playoffs? This is pretty awesome third period domination:
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And here is an archival image of Michael Nylander puck possession...
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You can almost see a “92” in there. You have to tilt your head almost completely to the left…
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jan 5, 2012 9:37 AM EST up reply actions
Something tells me that’s a dirty metaphor…
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I think it helps some that the goaltending has progressed to the mean. Giving up one or two crummy goals a game is an absolute killer in this league.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 5, 2012 8:29 AM EST up reply actions
They’ve also been playing with a lead at home thanks to some early ones going in and the goalies making some big/lucky saves. Makes it a lot easier.
Anyway, 16 games, small sample, etc and so forth.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 5, 2012 8:32 AM EST up reply actions
Well, your point about soft goals is right on. One is tough to overcome. Two is just about impossible.
Wins are a lot more fun, I agree.
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I do think AO’s line has been cycling more under Hunter (a transformation that may have taken root under BB but given fruit under DH…) so that could be one way of looking at possession. Not sure if the possession proxy statistics corroborate that.
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I can’t seem to find it, but haven’t scoring chances increased under DH? I thought I read that somewhere. But since it’s not officially tracked I’m not sure where I can look it up.
I think that might be another way of looking at possession, and the quality thereof, under Hunter. Given the lack of run-and-gun under DH, it would stand to reason that those opportunities are generated off of effective puck possession.
After all, isn’t it preferable to have more scoring chances, even with less total shots – than to have high shot totals with less scoring chances.
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I would say it’s preferable to have more scoring chances, yes.
You’d have to ask Neil about the scoring chances under DH, not sure where else they are being tracked.
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I found Neil’s chart that tracks individual players’ SC and the for/against differential. But nothing there provided information on identifying trends post-DH. Nor a team game-by-game tracking
Not scoring chances directly, but under DH Ovi’s Shots/Game has increased from 3.6 to 4.2; during that same time his S% has increased from 11.3% to 12.4%. He’s also improved from .77 PPG to 1.0 PPG.
For Backstrom his Shots/Game decreased under DH from 2.6 to 2.1, his S% increased from 11.1% to 17.3% while his PPG remained steady at 1.1.
So maybe there are increases in SC as well.
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During even-str on a per game basis scoring chances-for have been the same: 12 under each.
Chances against, however, have risen under Hunter: 13.2 vs 11.3.
I gave Tarik Ovechkin’s scoring chance numbers for his post the other day:
Since the coaching change, the former two-time MVP has taken 4.3 shots per game, up from 3.6 before it. He’s also getting 3.3 scoring chances per game, up from 2.4 under Boudreau.
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the pundits speak about the response they would have preferred... [DSP, CSNW]
How about blocking all links to anything related to Gormley? The guy is a troll who happens to work for a sports network. An unknowledgeable troll at that. Oh how I loathe him.
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by J.P. on Jan 5, 2012 8:28 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
As I tweeted yesterday, I’m starting to believe he gets his story ideas by reading here.
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Oh God, he had something really crazy to say the other night when they cut to him. Wish I could remember what that was.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 5, 2012 8:30 AM EST up reply actions
He wouldn’t be the first, but I think that was a pretty obvious one (especially for someone with a long history of covering a franchise and a city whose response to everything is to fight).
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I’m not the most well-read person, but, other than him, I didn’t see any other MSM person write about it.
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Is the benchmark for worthiness whether or not more than one local MSM member is covering a topic?
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Not entirely, no. That’s a fair point.
I just thought it intriguing that most of the points we made here were repeated by him. And his article appeared well after it was discussed here.
I’m sure my judgment is clouded as well by the fact that his short article really made no substantive points.
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Here’s Vogs, on Twitter, at the time: “Bourque to the box for an elbow on Backstrom. Hope that greasiness doesn’t go unnoticed by certain teammates.”
Clear implication of what he thought the appropriate response would be, and that response never came. The whole lot of the beat writers asked about the non-response (most answers were some form of “I didn’t see what happened”). So I don’t think that column is out of line.
But yeah, it may very well have been inspired by a conversation among the most intelligent and articulate Caps fans on the web, especially given my noonish tweet from yesterday: “Btw, good discussion in the comments to this morning’ sClips regarding the #Caps reaction (or lack thereof) to the Bourque elbow.”
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I don’t think he could write anything without a question mark. There are more question marks in his headlines/articles than there are )))))))))) on Ovi’s twitter feed.
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by Backeez Got Back on Jan 5, 2012 9:20 AM EST up reply actions
We thrashed this one to death yesterday so I won’t go on. He has a valid point.
If Matt Hendricks’ contribution is going to be one goal every 40 games…well, it makes you wonder.
I also think DH has a responsibility to tap someone on the shoulder and send them out there on a mission.
Fin.
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Word. Not seeing the play in real time != not being aware of (or informed) for 9+ minutes.
Maybe it’s the new Dale.
Cross check and all call.
I even dispute any claim that the Caps didn’t see it in real time. Maybe the guys on the ice didn’t see it, but it happened right in front of the bench (where Hendricks was sitting). In the Shanaban video on the suspension there is one view where you clearly see Halpern pointing to the play and yelling at the ref right after it happened. So the Caps knew what happened, but just didn’t respond.
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by Killer_Carlson on Jan 5, 2012 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
Yep. I think I said most of what I’m going to say on the matter in those Clips. Good discussion – recommended read.
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No one retaliated? Open season on Caps heads, the team isn’t going to stand up for their best (ok maybe second best) player. Oh boo hoo it’ll be bad if we don’t have him in the lineup but nobody did anything. Sorry,….I’m mad at possibly losing the most consistent player of the season just when we get on a roll.
Oh god. I’m smiling. Really.
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If you took the over you would have made a ton.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 5, 2012 8:41 AM EST up reply actions
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He would have used Nathan Gerbe as a mace.
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Joe Finley never would have allowed this to happen.
Watched too much of the Flyers alumni game, what would they have done?
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What would Ol’ Joe Finley do
If he was here right now,
He’d find a lawn
And he’d mow right through,
That’s what Ol’ Joe Finley would do.
When Ol’ Joe Finley was at North Dakota,
Skating for the gold,
He drank his weight in Lowenbrau,
While wearing a blindfold.
When Ol’ Joe Finley was in Rochester
Fighting Hershey Bears
He used his magical fire fists,
And burned the maiden’s hair.
So what would Ol’ Joe Finley do
If he were a Cap today,
I’m sure he’d kick Rene Bourque in two
That’s what Ol’ Joe Finley would do.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 5, 2012 9:14 AM EST up reply actions 13 recs
See? This is exactly why a big crease clearing defenseman like Erskine should be in the lineup instead of a soft, non-hitting waste of space like Schultz. I GUARANTEE you that if Schultz was in the press box where he belongs and Erskine was in the lineup he would have DONE SOMETHING!
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Chesnokov on Twitter:
Just read a story (in Russian) about @Mike_Danton stating 6 players on RUS junior team are over 20. Can’t find a link to the original. Any1?
HA.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 5, 2012 8:43 AM EST reply actions
I think his agent. Or his father. One of the two.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 5, 2012 9:23 AM EST up reply actions
Agent.
On April 16, 2004, two days after the Blues were eliminated from the first round of the Stanley Cup Playoffs by the San Jose Sharks, Danton was arrested and charged with conspiracy to commit murder. On July 16, 2004, he pled guilty to attempting to hire a hitman, who was actually a police dispatcher, to murder David Frost, his agent, and was sentenced by U.S. District Judge William Stiehl to seven-and-a-half years in a United States federal prison. To this day, however, Frost denies that he was the target. Recently, Danton has claimed that his original target was his estranged father, Steve Jefferson.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 5, 2012 9:23 AM EST up reply actions
Unreal. True Canadian Heart right there.
by JimCareyFanClub on Jan 5, 2012 9:25 AM EST up reply actions
That whole situation is/was really fucked up. Everything from implications/allegations of molestation to a supposed romantic relationship between Danton and Frost to fraud on Frost’s part for using Danton’s credit card.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 5, 2012 9:28 AM EST up reply actions
I looked up the story on Wikipedia (very credible, I know), and the link was broken, but said that the lawyer who represented Danton in the murder conspiracy case didn’t even have proper credentials, which meant he wasn’t really a lawyer. As a result, the fake lawyer served jail time of his own.
by JimCareyFanClub on Jan 5, 2012 9:39 AM EST up reply actions
that’s a rather serious accusation. Danton got anything to back that up?
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I think the other RB’s question is about the age of the U20 players. And I think Chesnokov’s trying to find the source of the accusation from the tweet I saw.
But thank you for linking to the F story for those relying on WIki; there is plenty of coverage of the story out there. Along with RB’s link, there’s the early coverage here: CBC fifth estate .
espn’s E:60 also did a worthwhile profile on danton.
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sorry, I meant the faking of ages (should have clarified). Frost is scum.
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I’ll take the deserved dope slap. Still, I didnt know it was his column until I clicked on it. Then I read it because it’s hard to look away from a train wreck. I’ll try to behave.
No worries, and it was more a general statement than a direct scolding for you.
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This is from 2011 but seems relevant.
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The Ottawa fans were stuffing the ballot box to get their players in, and Leafs fans were stuffing the ballot box to get Leafs players in so it will annoy the Ottawa fans. There was also a campaign by some Leafs fans to get Heatley into the game too…
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jan 5, 2012 9:48 AM EST up reply actions
That was Project Mayhem. They were trying to stuff the ballot box for old Senators players like Heatley, Chara, Havlat, etc.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 5, 2012 9:59 AM EST up reply actions
Don’t think they need to stuff the box for Chara, he’s going to be there. Ditto for Hossa.
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Here’s an article explaining it
Vote the line-up of Dany Heatley, Marion Hossa, Martin Havlat, Zdeno Chara, Chris Campoli and Ray Emery into this year’s All-Star Game…in Ottawa.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 5, 2012 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
They sure as hell succeeded. A clean sweep of the top three in forwards, two of the top three defensemen, and they even mounted an impressive write-in campaign for Craig Anderson — he of the 3.19 GAA, .899 SV% — bumping him up to 15th among goalies. Pretty good for the 6th seed in the East.
(Toronto fans a respectable showing as well, with Leafs #4 and #5 among forwards, #2 and #7 among defensemen, and their 3.01 GAA, .900 SV% goalie placing second only to Tim Thomas.)
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by KNUUUUUUUUUUBLE on Jan 5, 2012 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
This is why if anyone cites the number of all-star games a player has or hasn’t played in as a measure of how good a player they are, they should have their fingertips fed to the wolverines.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 5, 2012 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t care any more myself. It’s for the kids and sponsors. Even the skillz comp has gotten redundant and boring.
I just watch for the Draft now.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 5, 2012 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah I was going to say that, the draft will be the most interesting part. I hope all of TOR and OTT gets drafted on to the same team so that a) those teams’ fans have to root for each other and b) they realize that their guys are not that good.
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That would be FANTASTIC.
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by KNUUUUUUUUUUBLE on Jan 5, 2012 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
The skills competition was revitalized last year and was much more interesting than it had been for a long time (ever?)
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Still remembered as the guy who scored the biggest goal in Caps history, when he shoved a rebound past Dominik Hasek in OT in game 6 of the Eastern Final in 1998, send the Caps to their only Stanley Cup Finals appearance. Good player, had a incredibly soft hands, able to make plays. Never shot the puck enough.
Since his retirement, he’s been working up in the far north of Quebec helping to bring hockey to Inuit children in the region. The website for the program is here: http://www.nyhdp.ca/
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Posted it a few weeks ago, but a good CBC video of Juneau’s work these days in Nunavik.
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the biggest goal in Caps history
There are those that will argue that the current head coach scored the biggest goal in team history, but I’m with you.
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by DonnieKnutts on Jan 5, 2012 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
I think I’d differentiate between them in that I would describe Juneau’s goal as the “biggest goal in team history”, but I’d classify Hunter’s as the most “important” in team history.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 5, 2012 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
Not sure why, but I was surprised to see recently that that Hunter goal came in his first season with the Caps. Thought he had been with the team a while when that happened.
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Was a Juneau fan when he was on the team. Am a bigger Juneau fan for what he’s done after his playing career ended. Unfortunately his missed penalty shot against the Pens in the multi-OT game (fucking ice) is also something that still sticks in my head when I think of his tenure with the Caps.
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AHL outdoor game: Video includes glimpse of Aucoin testing out the equipment during the outdoor skate, lol
more Bears news: Matt Pope article (thanks to a tweet by collegehockeyinc/Nate Ewell)
Some interesting comments/views, e.g.:
“The bottom half of the NHL is identical with the top half of the AHL,” Pope said. “You could easily change five players from Washington [the Bears’ NHL parent team] with five players from Hershey, and there would be no difference.”
Let’s assume they’re all skaters and make them three forwards and two defensemen. So…
Keith Aucoin, Cody Eakin (since he’s been here), and Chris Bourque … for … Matt Hendricks, Mathieu Perreault, and Jay Beagle
Patrick McNeill and Tomas Kundratek … for… Dmitry Orlov and Jeff Schultz
No difference…Buy or sell?
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Using that example, I’d use Potulny instead of Bourque and I’d say it’s open for debate regarding the forwards given the current teams.
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Sounds like good news...
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I’m more concerned about what his status will be after a cross-country flight. They can be murder on anyone with head problems.
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I think it depends if his problems are related to just a migraine or a concussion. Air pressure changes from flying can trigger migraines but you just take your migraine medicine as you get on the flight to prevent one. You still can get one the following days after flying though, depending on the altitude of where you go and your status (more prone to migraines at certain times than others). Actually I was curious if Backstrom just had a migraine why he still had a lot of symptoms the next morning, enough not to pass the testing. Maybe he didn’t take medicine though or it didn’t work.
I have had migraines that last days, even with meds. Hopefully it is just something like that. I imagine a migraine would mess up a concussion test as a lot of the symptoms are similar.
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by RockinRed4Life on Jan 5, 2012 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
A lot of things can trigger migraines, including changes in sleep patterns and stress. If I had been hit in the head and the word “concussion” was looming, especially with all of the concern and awareness of it in the league this year, I might be pretty worried or stressed, even if I didn’t talk about it.
I don’t think the stress of worrying about a concussion gave him a migraine. Yes, stress does contribute to migraines, but the hit itself could have done it all on it’s own. Sometimes when you are in a good phase you can be exposed to migraine triggers and not have a migraine, but it a worse phase, you are more susceptible to the triggers. If stress was going to affect Nicky with migraines, I think it’s more likely daily stress from travel, his job, etc not a sudden fear of a concussion. Doctors tell migraine patients to do stress relief sorts of activities (biofeedback, meditation, yoga, exercise, acupuncture) to help deal with the daily stress that can contribute to migraines. At least we know he has exercise covered.
I was completely out of touch most of yesterday, but while I was driving to my location in the morning I suddenly wondered if the hit didn’t simply trigger a migraine. We hadn’t heard of him getting one in a long time, so I’d forgotten about them. Looks like that may have been it, in which case he got off very lucky. And of course we’re very, very glad.
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I think he probably still gets migraines some but it’s not mentioned, I guess they haven’t affected him during games, so we don’t know about it.
Perhaps Nicky will be lucky and it’s only a migraine triggered by the hit and nothing else? I have personally experienced a migraine from being hit hard on the head/neck area. I can literally say the Red Rockers gave me a migraine. They shot one of those t-shirt cannons things while I was walking out after a game and hit me directly on the head/neck when I wasn’t look towards the ice. I didn’t realize how hard those shot until I was hit. I didn’t even get the shirt for my troubles either. I took some muscle relaxers but couldn’t prevent getting a migraine on that side from the hit. Then I turned into one of “those” fans and wrote Leonsis an email saying I didn’t think those t-shirt guns were safe and they shouldn’t shoot them at unsuspecting fans as they walked out. Anyway, best case scenario is that he just got a migraine and nothing else and hopefully he’ll be fine when it goes away.
You still can get one the following days after flying though, depending on the altitude of where you go and your status
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by Scott in Shaw on Jan 5, 2012 1:22 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
nice, light hearted practice today. via Katie:
So Karl Alzner is sporting a Russia jersey for practice. Presumably for the bet he lost with his teammates about the Canada-Russia WJC game.
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For reference
Ovi’s teaser tweet from yesterday:
"You do that, you go to the box, you know. Two minutes, by yourself, you know and you feel shame" -Denis Lemieux
Caps posted a pic on their tumblr.
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Tee hee
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 5, 2012 10:08 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
....
it’s even better. it’s got a cartoon mouse on the front
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by RedBirdie on Jan 5, 2012 10:13 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
even better, from TEB
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Ovi’s the best.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 5, 2012 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
F&B says he’s the second best. DEBATE!
by Natty Bumppo on Jan 5, 2012 11:32 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Ovi on today and karl’s jersey:
It’s too bad not lots of people was there today
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I agree, if Ovi gets stuck in a rut again, instead of “bag skates” they should take him to six flags or something.
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by BetterOffWith28 on Jan 5, 2012 10:19 AM EST up reply actions
that’s the problem! The past two seasons, he’s missed the trip to Six Flags.
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by RedBirdie on Jan 5, 2012 10:20 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Reinforces the fact that the current team hockey pants need some freaking stars on the sides.
You tried your best and failed miserably. The lesson is "Never Try."
And to be blue, goddammit.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 5, 2012 10:18 AM EST up reply actions
When they caps have the winter classic, they’d better use blue with the red-starred jersey. All red would look…weird.
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The alternative is to go total goofball and use the retro white pants.
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Related: Anyone know why the boys wear the red star pants for practice? Have they always done this?
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by dcsportsfan1 on Jan 5, 2012 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
They maybe using the throwbacks on the upcoming road trip?
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jan 5, 2012 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
Next the throwbacks are scheduled is mid January, I think.
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Hmmm, then maybe they got a head start on packing?
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Try to imagine, for a moment, how the world would have reacted if the game had gone the other way and Alex Ovechkin skated this morning in a Team Canada sweater.
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And King Karl’s response:
@karlalzner
One of the worst mornings ever. That jersey won’t ever be worn by me again. Fml
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Pretty sweet life that dude’s had if that’s one of the low points.
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Looking at Ovi in that second pick, got a feeling he made sure Karl had a terrible day.
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let this be a lesson to the team Swedes: don’t bet against Ovie.
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That is just….odd.
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by RockinRed4Life on Jan 5, 2012 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
First 6 All-Stars are Thomas, Karlsson, Phaneuf, Spezza, Alfredsson, and Michalek. Bit of a pattern there…
Failure is always an option.
it’s always sucha joke. I’m not even sure what the point of voting is now that they do a player draft. It’s not like those guys are going to be named starters or anything.
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Breaking: League rebrands annual event as The NHL Some-Stars Game.
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by timmyv38 on Jan 5, 2012 10:59 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
And, who expected different with online-only balloting? Not that actual ballots eliminate ballot-box stuffing, but it’s harder to do. You have to make a much more concerted effort. This is just nuts.
If you've read this far...seek help.
online ballot stuffing, while effective, never really feels the same as real ballot box stuffing. Even if my yearly quest to get a National named to the MLB ASG is always a failure.
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Do it like the Iowa caucuses…show up at the league office, listen to people drone on about who they would pick, put your vote on a Post-It note and walk it up to the ballot box.
If you've read this far...seek help.
oooh, we could caucus are each NHL arena. Imagine the money to be made! We’ll do it all on different days and turn it into a media frenzy. “Tim Thomas won the Boston caucuses for the goalie position, but how will he far in Philadelphia tomorrow night?! Tune in to NHL Network’s continuing coverage of ‘All Star Caucuses 2012’!”
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Obviously the host team fans are going to be the most motivated. I think I voted a few times during the first week and then decided the hell with it. Too time consuming, and it’s a given Ovechkin is there, and if Backstrom’s not, there’s something wrong with the selection process.
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TBL speculation
Wild beat reporter Michael Russo says Lightning GM Steve Yzerman was at the WIld-Canucks game last night and speculates that the Lightning may have interest in Wild goalie Josh Harding. Also the Wild carry nine D-men, which is also an area of interest for the Bolts.
On a personal level, I would be kinda ticked if the Bolts picked up Greg Zanon, one of my favourite stay at home D-men in the league.
I really don’t want to have to start hating Josh Harding. You keep those dirty hands away from him, Yzerman!
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They have been keeping Zanon off the market for years now. If those fuckers send him to TBL I’ll be right with you. Also don’t have much interest in seeing Harding there. Hopefully if it happens it at least costs TBL an arm and a leg.
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Harding makes a ton of sense for the Bolts. It’ll be hard to get an established starter, and Harding is a rare backup who has posted starter-esque numbers for some time now.
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by red army line on Jan 5, 2012 11:16 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Yeah, it would be a disappointingly good move (depending upon what they have to give up to get him, of course). Whereas some hailed the Cats signing Madden as a “medium-reward” upside, Bolts getting Harden could be “high-reward.”
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How much of Harding’s production is system-related though, ala Bryz/LaBarbera/Iron Mike Smith?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 5, 2012 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
Very fair question, and hopefully whoever Yzerman picks up crumbles behind that D.
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Related, I still can’t get over Nashville signing Rinne to that ridiculous contract. It infuriates me, and I don’t even really care about Nashville. I can’t imagine how I would react if I was a diehard fan.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 5, 2012 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
You would go to Japers’ Rink and try to explain to everyone why it’s a great deal, probably.
It kinda messes up the goalie market but I don’t think it’ll have a huge impact on the Caps, to be honest.
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by Rob Parker on Jan 5, 2012 11:37 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It’s just completely ludicrous to me on every level.
They let FA after FA goalie walk, and then they sign this guy. Granted, he’s good, but still, they’ve got Lindback, AND the guy at Milwaukee is pretty good too. And Chet Pickard’s decaying corpse somewhere. It will probably end up costing them Weber and/or Suter, unless they’re just throwing up their hands and saying “fuck it, these guys aren’t coming back anyway”.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 5, 2012 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
Not sure Ellis walking as an UFA is an issue. Dekanich was a Group 6 UFA, if I am remembering correctly, and my guess is he probably wanted an opportunity in another orgnizatIon, but that’s a guess.
They traded Vokoun in part because of an about to kick-in NMC and related to the ownership situation at the time; 3 picks in return (used to select Spaling, one was traded and I believe Colin Wilson was the other pick, but not the exact slot due to another trade.)
Then it was Mason, Ellis and Rinne; then Ellis and Rinne for couple of seasons.
Jeremy Smith is the starter in Milwaukee. Engren’s the back-up.
Have they finally ended the Chet Pickard Experiment?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 5, 2012 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
Dekanich was smart enough to know Steve Mason would continue to crumble and he’d get a real chance. Too bad he got hurt.
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by Rob Parker on Jan 5, 2012 12:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
who would the Bolts send back though? I’m looking at their roster and it’s a not really deep or overly talented or loaded with “upside” guys that they can afford to ship off.
Would MIN want futures? They are built around guys who know how to win now so maybe they don’t want to kick the can…
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Roloson and a future 1st or a couple 2nds?
fyi Harding’s career #’s
GP – 99
GS – 79
W/L – 35-43
GAA – 2.56
SV% – .918
I guess they’d take a G back just for the roster spot but Roloson isn’t going over for value. I think they’d probably want to start with a first round pick and then go from there if it’s Harding.
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Garon to fill the backup role behind Backstrom (Bakstrom?) + a high pick? That would shuffle Rolo to the backup role, and fits with the precedent of acquiring a backup with good numbers (Rolo) and sliding him into the starter’s role.
Not sure how they’d then afford Zanon, though.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 5, 2012 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
He was really good in Spokane, doing pretty well currently for Norfolk (14-7, 2.33, .904). They’re right on Hershey’s ass.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 5, 2012 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
MIN banked a bunch of points, so I’d be surprised if they’re writing off the playoffs at this point. They probably want the gate revenue at the very least.
Adding Rolo at the cost of Harding would seem to be a concession of defeat.
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Wouldn’t that depend on what other player(s) were sent to the Wild in a trade. I don’t think people are proposing a goalie for goalie trade, but a goalie for a goalie plus trade.
I understand that, but here’s my thinking.
The Bolts don’t have any impact players to send back that they can afford to lose from their roster. So we’re talking about propsects and/or picks.
Prospects/picks would help MIN later but not now.
Right now, MIN is trying to make the playoffs. They are probably tenuous enough bets for the playoffs that they can’t afford to downgrade their roster in the immediate term.
Having Rolo as your backup is a downgrade from Harding.
Garon might be a lateral move with Harding.
So I see Garon a a more llikely/reasonable return than Rolo.
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I guess they would given they would want to keep Hackett in the AHL this season getting regular starts. Endras is an unknown at NHL level and the other goalie, Kuemper, is young, too, so no simple back-up replacement for this season.
It would be amusing to see Roloson back in Minnesota, but I’m having a hard time seeing Backstrom and Roloson as a goalie tandem.
One thing that will be interesting is if the NHL has an NBA-style “Amnesty Clause” built into the next CBA. How quickly do the Canucks bounce Luongo’s contract?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 5, 2012 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
And how long will Caps fans laugh before they realize AO is in the exact same boat?
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If they amnestied him, would he just become a UFA? That’s terrifying to me.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 5, 2012 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah. The only possible way I could see AO being amnestied is if he went to the Caps and said “let’s restructure my deal so I have a lower cap hit.” I don’t personally see AO doing that, I don’t think there’s any reason for him to do that. I think the NHL will be smart enough not to allow teams to amnesty buy out a player, then re-sign that player so the total compensation is the same but the cap hit comes down. But I’ve overestimated the NHL’s intelligence before…
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Agree with this. If there was no clause preventing him from immediately re-signing with the Caps, I can definitely see him doing this. The whole “I don’t need no stinking agent” scenario leads me to believe that Ovechkin sees the following priorities:
1. Do what is best for me
2. Do what is best for the Caps
3. What is best for the Caps is winning a Cup, which is best for me
The guy already has every individual award and he knows that the conversation is “Why AO doesn’t have a Cup”. It’s not like he misses out on any money if they give him amnesty — he gets all the money plus a better opportunity to fill in the needed pieces to win it all.
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by Alz Well That Ends Well on Jan 5, 2012 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
If TB gets him hopefully it turns out as well as the last time they picked up a young backup with starter potential.
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by Killer_Carlson on Jan 5, 2012 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
Any possibility that Philly sends Leighton to the Bolts? He’s been tearing up the “A.”
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Doesn’t he have to clear re-entry waivers?
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And, let’s be honest, if I’m the Flyers, I probably keep him around as a security blanket because the two guys they have now don’t have the um….strongest constitutions.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 5, 2012 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
Lavy’s just itching to have another 3 headed goalie-go-round in the playoffs again
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 5, 2012 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
Another log for the Francis fire.
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For those who don’t click through, F&B’s brilliance from last night is linked in the first sentence of that article. Pretty cool.
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Too late for that. People around my office should have to wear protective goggles because my button may shoot off and take out an eye any minute.
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by Rob Parker on Jan 5, 2012 11:22 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I thought the smakedown was great, but have reservations about this idiot being worth the rebuttals.
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Some love for Broad Street Hockey and their (hopefully) catching the cretins that jumped some Rangers fans at Geno’s.
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saw the video on the news this morning. Holy fuck. Appalling.
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I mentioned it in a Fanshot, but Travis deserves an attaboy, despite the utter stupidity of that kid.
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And related to that, this.
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by Bald Pollack on Jan 5, 2012 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
is there a Moron award we could nominate that guy for?
RAMPAGE
by JediChewbacca on Jan 5, 2012 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
Why yes, it’s this newly-created Eric Francis Achievement Award.
by jopierce on Jan 5, 2012 11:32 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
to be given out on the precipice of a very large cliff
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Shouldn't have been standing there!
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That may end up on next year’s iteration of the SBNation’s The Greatest Animated Sports GIFs
A couple of familiar hockey ones on there, but many of the others are pretty funny too.
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Andrew Gordon on waivers, per Helene Elliott.
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I hear Syracuse is nice this time of year.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 5, 2012 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
JP would know.
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Never been there but it has to be better than Albany /shudder
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 5, 2012 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
Omar loves NY.
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by Alz Well That Ends Well on Jan 5, 2012 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
Was just a matter of time with what’s been going on there and the new coaching staff, IMO.
Gordon and Smaby.
I think he’s still been living in a hotel, hasn’t he? Never saw anything about him being told to find a place to live, so I imagine he’s been nervous about living on borrowed time for quite a while. Every time Anaheim made a move, I kept expecting to find him on waivers.
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Sports Illustrated asked 179 NHL players to name the most underrated player in hockey. Here are the results:
ex-Cap at #11
Not sure how a few of these guys could possibly be considered “underrated”, weird. I wonder if there was a list/poll or if this was open-ended name a player.
…Datsyuk at #6? Seriously? He’s only considered one of the elite players around.
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I guess the players think he’s the mostest elitest.
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Jordan StaaLOL
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 5, 2012 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
Wonder how many Caps would make the opposite list.
FWIW, I’d have Alzner in my top-15 underrated, easily, and possibly Backstrom (though probably not).
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Had Backstrom ended stronger last season, I’d say he’s much underrated.
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by BetterOffWith28 on Jan 5, 2012 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
Had Backstrom ended stronger last season, he probably wouldn’t be underrated.
I think he’s right around a top-5 C. Where do most people have him? Can’t be too much lower than that.
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i just remember that he was injured by the end of last season … so yeah, he is underrated. He has even been invited to the all star game , right?
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by BetterOffWith28 on Jan 5, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
That’s correct… and sorta meaningless, but point taken.
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He has even been invited to the all star game , right?
He hasn’t been invited to the all star game , right?
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by BetterOffWith28 on Jan 5, 2012 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
Nick got invited as a rookie, and then again his second year to be part of the futures game, which he declined, iirc. But he’s never been selected to the ASG.
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Yeah, MSL is underrated. Nobody thinks that former MVP, Cup winner, lock HOF’er is any good.
Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...
What a stupid-ass “article” or whatever it is. I notice there is no byline so, presumably, we can’t blame a real hockey writer. But, wouldn’t SI at least have a sports ‘editor’ to review the content?
It’s just a poll they run with every issue. They ask the players in some major sport a question akin to the current one and then tabulate the results. In baseball, they do best and worst umpires, that sort of thing.
It’s mainly a fluffy little infographic meant to give their readers 10 seconds of “hey, wouldja looka that” time. No deep analysis intended or expected.
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Many of the guys on that list are arguably overshadowed by teammate or two. So maybe that’s what drove the answers.
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by CapitalCentre on Jan 5, 2012 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
Hell yeah Loui E!
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Jan 5, 2012 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
I’m a fan of Frans as well … but he’s no Loui Eriksson.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Jan 5, 2012 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
They really need a Hans to go along with Frans.
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Vokoun vs Thomas - intrinsic value
For no particular reason, I was looking at goalie stats. Vokes and Timmah are remarkably similar in a lot of areas:
TT has 17 wins, TV has 16 wins. Thomas has played in 2 fewer games. Thomas has actually faced more shots in fewer games, which surprised me, and has allowed 16 fewer goals. TT has that awesome SV% at .940 vs TV’s not shabby .915.
I would have thought TT’s save percentage would translate into more wins, honestly.
But when you look at lifetime win% for NHL goalies, you have Ken Dryden at the top of the heap at .650, then Brodeur at 2nd with .550. Thomas is 19th at .517. It’s hard to win in this league consistently.
TT’s .739 win % this season is obviously stellar, as is TV’s at .667. Makes me feel pretty good about TV and the team supporting him.
TV has been pretty good in my eyes. Yeah, he’s had his share of fluky goals but one thing I like about him is that late in the game, he’s been pretty solid. Although I have no stats to back it up.
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by BetterOffWith28 on Jan 5, 2012 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
i’m listening…
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by BetterOffWith28 on Jan 5, 2012 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
C’mon. Ted Ruth, Chris Clark and Milan Jurcina for Nash!
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73 games in Springfield, -21, 8 points.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 5, 2012 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
I would do unspeakable things to bring Nash to DC, and I am sure his former coach would too, such as clobbering Pierre Turgeon from behind… oh wait…
Anyway, the thought of Nash joining a line with Backstrom and Ovechkin….
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As much as I love Rick Nash, if I was going to take a high-priced disgruntled player from CBJ, I’d take Jeff Carter.
And then proceed to hide my wife.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 5, 2012 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
This is my favorite time of year!!!
I moved to LA a dozen years ago for work, so i don’t get to go tho the games anymore unless they are you here. They always flip flopped and one year, they never even came to So Cal. but Monday night!!!! section 105 row 11.. I’ll be there!!!
I’m making the same move in June and I’ll be looking forward to those trips, too. Hopefully the Caps can win in California for once.
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by Alz Well That Ends Well on Jan 5, 2012 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
Will be there too.
Sadly they never play well here and at the end of the games I always feel underwhelmed by the Kings in a I can’t believe we just lost to those guys kinda way. Anaheim was hoot last year though.
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Yeah the Caps in ANA have been a much better show. You’re right about the Kings too. I’ve been to a lot of games, and the whole experience is a snooze. Boring games, boring fans, bad beer. Comacho’s nachos are always the best part of the night.
Been here 12 years now
and still can’t bring myself to adopt them as my western conference team. Though, through the years they have kinda mirrored the Caps in their make-up and ups and downs.
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The Ducks are now Caps West — Boudreau, Sluggo, high paid talent underperforming…
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by Alz Well That Ends Well on Jan 5, 2012 5:17 PM EST up reply actions
Nah. GMGM has assembled a roster that’s light years better beyond the high paid underperforming talent than Murray has in ANA.
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Kerry Fraser with some anecdotes about out-of-bounds chirping in the NHL, spurred by the Barch incident.
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=384217
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by fat_daddyo on Jan 5, 2012 1:52 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
So apparently Barch asked PK if he slipped on a banana peal when he fell down during a fight. And Campell who was the one in charge of the suspension said he would’ve gotten 5 games if it had been a racially charged insult. So if he didn’t deem the banana peal comment as racially charged, then why did he get even one game?
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Couldn’t agree more. The suspension makes no sense to me – either it was racially motivated or it wasn’t, five or none in my book. I guess “racially insensitive” was the rationalization, but punishing hockey players solely for being stupid is a slippery slope (like an incline covered in… wait for it… banana peels).
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Marek or Wysh just made that distinction
It wasn’t a racial slur but rather racial insensitivity. Perhaps the linesman has sensitive skin no?
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Ha.
If it’s “insensitive,” presumably the distinction between that and being full-on racist is in intent. And if there’s no intent to be racist, I don’t see how you suspend the guy. It’s like applying a negligence standard to words… which is weird to me.
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Also from Marek and Whysh
Who used your slippery as a a banana peal slope joke BTW. That hockey exists as an alternate reality (on the ice) wherein you suspend some of your rights (getting hit, slashed, face washed, fighting etc) and shouldn’t that extend to language also.
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No, to me it shouldn’t at all. There’s assumption of risk here, to be sure, but there are penalties in place to discourage plays that are deemed illegal, so why not for language deemed illegal?
To me, the bottom line is simple – you want to create an environment in the sport where everyone who wants to participate can feel comfortable. If you allow racial or homophobic slurs, you’ve defeated that goal. This isn’t about coddling, it’s about acceptance. And it starts at the top.
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What about the manner in which the comment is discovered? For instance, when Hendricks fought Downie last season and dropped a four letter derogatory phrase in the penalty box. A CSN camera was on him at that time. Does the league suspend him or fine him based on the video, since it’s clear as day what he said?
What’d he say? Slang term for a female body part?
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Ye Olde C Bomb.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 5, 2012 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I don’t have a problem with him saying that, to be honest (besides the fact that truth is an absolute defense).
While it is certainly misogynistic, I think there’s a difference in that Hendricks isn’t literally saying that Downie is a vagina. He’s not insulting Downie based on who he is as a human being. It’s worlds different from a racial or, in some instances, homophobic slur that goes to who the person in question actually is.
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It certainly would be interesting watching Downie stickhandle if he was indeed a vagina.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 5, 2012 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
How is that different from say Simmonds calling Avery a faggot as a general insult and not actually questioning his sexuality? That term (and other anti-gay slurs) is very often used without literally questioning sexuality.
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by Killer_Carlson on Jan 5, 2012 4:49 PM EST up reply actions
I think I’ve pretty well laid out my answer in comments below, but first of all, we don’t know whether Simmonds used that slur literally or not. Given some of Avery’s off-ice interests and what passes for the intelligence of the average NHLer, Simmonds could literally think he’s a homosexual. Or not.
But more to the point, if the word “faggot” gets tossed around hockey rinks, hockey rinks become places where a segment of society won’t feel comfortable. Is there a similar risk if the word “pussy” gets thrown around? I don’t think so. First off, we’d have to be looking at co-ed leagues (which certainly exist as you get further away from the NHL), and secondly, you have to acknowledge the reality of the relative social acceptance (beyond hockey) of certain terms.
I would be much stricter in what I deemed acceptable in a co-ed league. And yes, I admit that there’s a bit of a double-standard here, but I’m interested in dealing with the most egregious offenses first.
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How many games should've Ovie got
for his insensitive fat fuck slur?
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I kid
but where do you draw the line?
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Well I’d start with a) it has to be a comment at an opposing player/coach and b) it has to be related to a marginalized segment of society.
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So racism and homophobia count, but not blatant sexism?
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by Hang a Laingtern on Your Problems on Jan 5, 2012 2:59 PM EST up reply actions
That more than a little bit hurts my soul.
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by Hang a Laingtern on Your Problems on Jan 5, 2012 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
Don’t be such a little girl about it.
Just kidding.
Seriously, though, it gets back to the point Rob and I were making about intent. When a player tosses a racial slur out there, it’s usually because the intended recipient is of that race and the slur is intended to denegrade that person about their race.
When a player tosses a homophobic slur out there, it’s sometimes because the intended recipient is of that sexual preference and the slur is intended to denegrade that person about their sexual preference.
But when Matt Hendricks calls Steve Downie a See You Next Tuesday, he doesn’t do so because he believes Downie is literally a vagina.
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where racism and homophobia are no longer acceptable, sexism still is. I mean, just look further up today’s conversation. Someone thought nothing of of insulting Eric Francis (who deserves to be insulted in any number of ways) by suggesting he had a vagina. the implications are plenty clear.
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by RedBirdie on Jan 5, 2012 3:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
So any use of the C word, P word, or anything of that sort is automatically sexism?
Please, call me F&B.
when those words are being used to insult someone, to imply they are a woman, and thus somehow lesser? Yeah. It’s like the idiot a couple seats down from me who is CONSTANTLY calling Semin Monica. I finally asked him why. “Because he plays like a fucking girl!”
It’s not as in-your-face as racism or homophobia. But it’s still insulting, and being used to mean people and women as a whole.
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by RedBirdie on Jan 5, 2012 3:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
that should be “demean” not “mean”
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That’s pretty terrible (as is “Cindy,” which you know I can’t stand and don’t tolerate).
I agree with you for the most part.
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In what way would it not be sexist? If you’re using femaleness as an insult, you’re saying that being female is bad. You know what drives me crazy? “Don’t call Crosby ‘Cindy’; show some respect, he’s a world class athlete.”
He is. The problem is that that argument is predicated on the idea that being a woman is a bad thing—it’s an insult that you’re calling him a girl.
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by Hang a Laingtern on Your Problems on Jan 5, 2012 3:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Sure, if Hendricks said “Downie, you are a fucking girl” then maybe you have a case. But players call each other “dickheads” all the time. Is that demeaning to all men? What about when they call each other “assholes,” is that demeaning to all vertebrates that have evolved past the point of having a cloaca?
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by Rob Parker on Jan 5, 2012 3:17 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
We both know that’s a flawed argument. There is a clear difference in the connotations of “pussy” or “cunt” and “dick” or “asshole.” You know how I know for sure? Some of those things you can say on tv, and some you can’t. If you took a poll of men who were offended by being called a dick versus being called a pussy, what do you think the results would be?
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by Hang a Laingtern on Your Problems on Jan 5, 2012 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
Uh, probably like 1% for both groups?
We both know it’s a flawed argument? No. I’m not in the habit of trotting out arguments I know are flawed. Moot Court taught me better than that.
It’s a body part. It’s not literally calling anyone a woman. It’s not demonstrating any hatred or condescension of women. It’s just a word that players use to insult. If pussy is an insult to all women, how is dick not an insult to all men, and asshole not an insult to everyone? Because you think that one of those words is more or less offensive to a particular subset of people?
Please, call me F&B.
Preach it.
Is calling someone a “boob” insulting to women and Nick Backstrom a few summers ago?
(Kidding, Malin, please don’t kill me.)
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by J.P. on Jan 5, 2012 3:35 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Personally, I’m from the Reg Dunlop school of insult responses:
You suck dick, Dunlop!
All I can get!
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by D'ohboy on Jan 5, 2012 3:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You sound like Pam.
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by Rob Parker on Jan 5, 2012 3:44 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You’ve got it backwards. Calling Crosby “Cindy” isn’t tolerated because the people who call him that do so with the intent of calling him a girl being an insult. The complaint here isn’t that calling him a girl is an insult – it’s that it’s insulting to girls to use it as an insult.
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Here is just one example of how you’re wrong.
Not on this site, he doesn’t. Back off. Show some respect.
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by Hang a Laingtern on Your Problems on Jan 5, 2012 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
Right. So the original person called him Cindy to imply he’s a girl, and that’s the insult. But the defense wasn’t, “there’s nothing wrong with being a girl,” it was, “don’t insult him like that, he deserves better.” The defense didn’t rebut the idea that being a girl is an insult.
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by Hang a Laingtern on Your Problems on Jan 5, 2012 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
Wait – you think that “Cindy” isn’t tolerated because we think that calling him by a girl’s name is insulting to him? Really? We don’t tolerate it because feminizing someone’s name for the purpose of insulting him is sexist, moronic and insulting to women.
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by J.P. on Jan 5, 2012 3:33 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
In fairness, do you know for a fact that he doesn’t have a vagina?
But yes, it was a silly comment.
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I haven’t checked, no. I wouldn’t want to get his Canadian cooties on me!
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 5, 2012 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
If someone had made a blatantly sexist remark to Manon Rheaume then I’d be all in favor of a penalty. I don’t think that Hendricks dropping a C bomb on Downie comes close to the level of “blatant sexism.”
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The counterargument is that the insult when applied to someone not in that class is still based on the assumption that there is something inferior about the class. So, calling a straight player a “fag” is no different from calling him a “bitch” or whatever. I’m not sure there’s a meaningful difference.
by Ginga on Jan 5, 2012 3:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I want to hear trash talk in this world.
“Nice fucking suit goober! Your tie looks like you’re going to a junior high chorus concert! What, you never heard of a half-windsor? Get a symmetrical knot you cretin!”
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by Rob Parker on Jan 5, 2012 3:14 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I agree on the first part, but where there’s a meaningful disinction is in how literal the insult is, both in the mind of the offender and victim – call another player a bitch and it’s because you think he has demonstrated “unmanly” qualities, not that he’s literally a female; call another player an n-bomb, it’s likely because he’s black. In one case, you’re saying “you’re like such and such, which is terrible” and in the other “you are such and such, which is terrible.” To me, that’s a difference.
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Probably not much. Hopefully someone would tell him he’s a fuckin’ idiot and explain why. The word itself is awful, but in that example, is it any different than calling a guy a woman, substantively?
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It has to be the type of thing that would make a person uncomfortable simply for being who they are, essentially. Race. Religion. Sexual preference. Class. Etc. The type of stuff that’s subject to hate crimes legislation – bias-motivated based on perception that the victim belongs to a specific group.
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I’d love to see a comment about class in the NHL. What would that even look like? “You fucking prairie farmer!” “No, fuck you, you Ontario farmer!”
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Well, I could see it, maybe as a proxy for race. But it’s unlikely that a guy growing up playing a rich kid’s sport is going to be subject to this one.
“You poor motherfucker, I bet you didn’t have a pool to wash your gear in!”
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Well I don’t know if hockey is a rich kid’s sport in Canada. In the US, especially the further south you get, it definitely is (or at least upper middle class), but it’s more pervasive in Canada and ice is cheaper so it allows a wider socio-economic spectrum to take part.
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Yes, I know. I was just trying to take a shot at you.
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Oh I know.
I’m definitely going to tuck that one away for men’s league, though.
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Is that second line about the pool quip or your post-game locker room practice?
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by J.P. on Jan 5, 2012 3:01 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
BURN.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 5, 2012 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
They could all shave their heads like Friars.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 5, 2012 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
Does Jody Shelly getting called irrelevant count?
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Class-based chirping would be a new one.
“Your father bought his suits off the rack!”
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So is intelligence out of bounds? Insulting parents/wives/children? Personality? Speech impediments?
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No need to ban a weapon that has no ammo.
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by Killer_Carlson on Jan 5, 2012 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
bias-motivated based on perception that the victim belongs to a specific group
The things you listed would be based on the victim himself and not attributing stereotypes of a specific group to that victim. They’d be fair game, for the most part. Counter-intuitive as it may seem, if the insult is narrow and directly targeted at the victim without also taking a whack at a much wider group, I think you’re fine. Likely a horrible human being, but fine here.
But all of this is a bit case-by-case, and maybe the porn “I know it when I see it” standard comes into play some.
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If you know conclusively that’s what he said. At first, the accusation was that he called BB a homophobic slur. I wanted to judge for myself so I watched the video but didn’t tell anyone what I think he said. Then I went here and nearly everyone thought he said something other than what the people on twitter thought he said. And I didn’t think it was conclusive. Then someone brought up he might have been speaking Russian. So it’s not like it’s definitive like its definitive that Hendy dropped the c bomb because you know he’s speaking English and he wasn’t muttering it, he was nearly yelling it.
by jopierce on Jan 5, 2012 7:16 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Applying “intent” is also tricky. Racists make racist comments, but not everyone who makes racists comments is racist? I guess the difference there isn’t so much “intent” but malice, hatred, and prejudice outside the game, which are things not easily judged.
In Kerry’s article he talks about an incident related to a player of East Indian descent. He said he failed to act, but I wish he had written about what he would have done if he could do it over again. It’s a “racially insensitive” thing, but directly related to a person’s ethnicity or race. You can interpret the comment as racist but it’s much more difficult to paint the player with that brush. How do you discipline a player in that instance?
Yes, intent is tricky. But it’s not so much “intent to be racist” as “intent to say something you are well aware has racial connotations.” That makes it a little easier, I think. Maybe not much.
But this isn’t suspending for elbowing or something where intent might matter less. There’s nothing inherently injurious about these words (in this instance), so intent is really all you can go on.
In Fraser’s example, I’d give the guy an unsportsmanlike or some sort of notice that it wasn’t ok, at a minimum.
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Maybe they can add an extension to the War Room in Toronto
Mic all the players and submit all language to panel of judges and start handing out misconducts for perceived insensitive comments.
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I don’t think that’s necessary. And, to be clear, I’m not about making a perfectly G-rated, PC environment on the ice. But I don’t think certain things should be tolerated simply because they always have been.
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Also this,
From Puck Daddy, "a former NHLer texted us this morning to say it’s “commonly used when a guy goes down on purpose in a fight to avoid getting his ass kicked”
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I buy that. And if that was the case… how do you suspend Barch?
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Because you are bad at your job and overly sensitive.
Once you take the fisting element out, it's not romantic anymore.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Jan 5, 2012 3:39 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Campbells comment.
“While we accept Mr. Barch’s assertion, as a player in the National Hockey League, he must be held accountable for making a comment that, in the context in which it was made, and in light of the entirety of the circumstances, was offensive and unacceptable.” – to the linesman apparently.
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"While we accept Mr. Barch’s assertion…
Oh, so no supsension.
as a player in the National Hockey League, he must be held accountable for making a comment that, in the context in which it was made, and in light of the entirety of the circumstances, was offensive and unacceptable."Oh, offensive and unacceptable. So he got five-seven games, yeah?
One.
Just. Don’t. Get. It.
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Campbell is …. not so good at his job.
Once you take the fisting element out, it's not romantic anymore.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Jan 5, 2012 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, if you are instituting the new world order on it then shouldn’t there be a warning to the league? Or is this the warning?
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Eff that. Send around an email for GMs to read in the room after pracky or something.
To: League GMs
From: Colie <3
Re: On-Ice Language
Ixnay on ananabays, mmm’kay?
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by J.P. on Jan 5, 2012 3:42 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You can do it, it’s all up to you, mmm’kay.
Once you take the fisting element out, it's not romantic anymore.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Jan 5, 2012 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
Step One: instead of cunt say muff, as in “lick my muff” and “you’re a big muff.”
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by D'ohboy on Jan 5, 2012 3:44 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It opens the muff cannon. Sprays muff at 3000 PSI.
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by Rob Parker on Jan 5, 2012 4:01 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
It’s called “Lick my love pump.”
"Now wait a minute. This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man."
by The Ghost of Bebop on Jan 5, 2012 3:56 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Is that what he said?
Agree with your analysis.
I guess in the wake of the Simmonds thing, they wanted to give him a game just to remind everyone that it’s a dangerous topic.
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“The Simmonds thing” being when Wayne “Meat Train” Simmonds called another player a derogatory term for homosexuals, right?
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It was…
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jan 5, 2012 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
I thought it was the guy in Hamilton throwing a banana peel on the ice during a shootout attempt.
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That happened, and then Simmonds got plugged a few weeks or so later for using a derogatory term on Avery.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 5, 2012 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
That’s obviously what he meant. And what Meat Train said doesn’t absolve that jackass, but I still think it’s messed up that Meat Train knows what it’s like to be targeted with those kind of slurs but had no compunction throwing them around. I guess race and sexuality are still on different planes in terms of societal sensitivity, but it pissed me off.
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I have to think in the manly game of hockey (I was a less than manly track athlete, so I wouldnt know), pejoratives unflattering to homosexuals fly around more or less constantly?
Yeah, constantly. Including in the locker room. I’ve said it before, but my take on it falls close to J.P.‘s, it’s about acceptance and the sport being welcoming. I firmly believe that most times people in my generation use homosexual slurs they don’t literally mean that the person is a homosexual, but if those phrases make people who are homosexual feel unwelcome then it has to stop.
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by Rob Parker on Jan 5, 2012 2:49 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly. Which is why a homophobic slur isn’t the same as a racist one in many cases – people toss around homophobic slurs (or stuff like “retarded”) without care for what the words actually mean. It’s less likely that they’ll do that with racial slurs.
Both are bad. Both need to stop. But they’re not necessarily the same.
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No, he had a banana tossed at him in…Toronto, was it?
Preseason game, wherever it was.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 5, 2012 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
For second there I almost felt empathy for Claude Lemieux. Then I thought about it for a bit and it passed.
Barnaby is a tool, though.
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I hate that guy so much for 98. And I also feel terribly sorry for him for the shitshow his life has become post-NHL.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 5, 2012 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
I was talking about Barnaby, but yeah, I can see where it would look like I was speaking of Lemieux.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 5, 2012 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
Ah, right. I was also struggling to remember what Lemieux had done in ’98 to rile you up. Figured it was the Draper thing, which was in that time period if i recall correctly.
Barnaby was a tool during that BUF series, but the Caps got the last laugh so I’ve put that behind me.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 5, 2012 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
Heh. You know, I was recalling Barnaby in that series and my immediate thought was that while he was annoying, it paled to nothing compared to the rage that Barry Melrose inspired with his idiotic cheerleading.
He did love him some Mike Peca, didn’t he? I hated Mike Peca…
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Oh I fucking HATE Mike Peca with a passion. And he was a pretty decent player, but oh dear God Melrose never SHUT THE HELL UP about how much he loved Mike Peca.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 5, 2012 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
It was almost on a Don Cherry/Dougie Gilmour level. All he needed to do was bring him on the air and give him a kiss.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 5, 2012 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
Not all men. Just those who are well-endowed.
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If I could never get ejected and use this NSFW language chant and sub Michael Peca in for it, my life’s work would be complete.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 5, 2012 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
The moment that epitomizes Barnaby for me was in a game (may have been the 98 conference finals, may have been elsewhen) where he was in some sort of altercation and sent to the box. He was running his mouth, whining and bitching, and then he proceeded to slam his stick into the box repeatedly, until it broke. Then he screams “Hey, my stick is broke” at the ref, which required the linesman to delay the restart further so that he could get a new stick.
I know he is entitled to a stick for when he leaves the box, but I kinda thought (and still do think) that he should have been forced to wait until at least the next stoppage to get a new one, and if that was more than two minutes later, then tough shit.
After that, every time I see him all I can think is “What a whiny, petulant dickhead.”
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I actually chuckled. I have zero ability to feel sorry for that scumbag, and the thought of him in tears on the ice is hilarious to me. Normally I’d say that’s the lowest of blows (going after family), but fuck that guy.
Related to the family thing, anyone who has watched an NHL draft knows that frequently the drafted player has some, uh, talented female relatives sitting with him in the stands. I wonder how frequent references to those ladies are made.
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Frasier came off as really paternalistic. Overly so. Oh, no, someone hurt Claude Lemieux’s feelings? Make sure he apologizes!
and fuck Lemieux. He’s a fucking dirt bag.
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NHL Network is replaying the USA-CAN Gold Medal game in the 2010 WJC, FYI. Currently tied 3-3 halfway through the game. USA’s starter has been pulled and they put in a shaky looking young kid. I don’t like their chances.
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I think one of their alternate captains will try to put the game on his back and then not celebrate with his teammates. What an immature player. Probably won’t make it to the NHL, and if he does, he’ll be reviled by everyone except Ovechkin. No good Canadian could play with him or be his defensive partner.
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by Alz Well That Ends Well on Jan 5, 2012 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
Suggestion from Custance in his current chat about trying to get the cheap shots out:
I’d start fining teams and coaches for cheap shots to spread the accountability.
I agree with him.
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Matt Cooke would have driven Mario right into bankruptcy last season.
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Well, here’s the thing. Would that be much of a deterrent? Unless you’re going to fine them a billion dollars apiece, what’s a few grand if you can take out Ovechkin for 50 games?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 5, 2012 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
Weird. So the implicit function here is to get teams to stop employing guys who are going to do stupid things. Not sure I think it will have much of a real impact, to be honest.
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Gotta start somewhere. Owners are rich guys who throw stupid money at marginal talent at times, but I’ll bet they don’t like parting with money for nothing. But it’s the owners making the rules, so it’s never going to happen anyway.
"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."
The problem with that is that a non-insignificant number of teams in the league essentially operate in the red or on the cap floor. One particularly bad fine and you’d cause an owner to bail on a team potentially.
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My “somewhere” would be harsher penalties for the guys actually committing the offenses.
But if you want to hit the teams, how about docking them a roster spot or two during a suspension or something?
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The team loses the roster spot already though, right? As in, they can’t call someone up to replace a suspended player. I think NJ ran into this a couple of years ago, where they had to dress one guy short or something like that
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They still had his cap hit while he was suspended and that was the issue not a roster spot issue. The NJD didn’t have enough cap room to recall another player.
right, thanks (to you and gfcaps fan) for clearing that up. I think Philly was also in a similar situation around then as well, when Downie and Boulerice were both suspended at the same time.
There was discussion about the player safety issue even then, I think. I don’t recall the details, but I guess it happens so rarely that nothing was done.
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Related to this topic.
The restriction on fines for players needs to be addressed in the next CBA. How does a player learn from a warning and a “whopping” $2,500 maximum fine when the minimum salary is $525,000 (*minimum for 11-12 season); he doesn’t. I’ve heard it mentioned that this will be an issue addressed with the next CBA, hopefully it is.
Yeah, the fines are a joke. As I see it, the only real purpose they serve is to put a mark on a guy’s record for future reference (and that’s certainly not nothing… but the actual pain they feel on a $2,500 fine is negligible, I’d think).
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Why not make it a percentage of the player’s salary? 3% across the board. It seems small, but a player making $1.5 million that year would pony up $45,000. You consider that to be pocket change to him, but
you want to send a message that’s lesser than say, a long suspension but more than a slap on the wrist.
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I don’t think you’d ever get an OK from the players association to treat the same infraction differently based on how good a guy’s agent (or the player’s skill level) is.
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I completely agree with this.
"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."
Hell, Torts just got 30g’s for calling out the league’s officiating. Have any fines even approached that?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 5, 2012 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
Random non-caps related question
But we’re almost at the halfway point, so let’s have some good ol’ fashioned speculation.
What do you guys think the odds are that Nugent-Hopkins gets the Calder? He seems to have slowed down a bit lately, but then again, pickin’s seem slim. No goalie is going to get enough games to really be considered. The next highest D-man in rookie points scoring has a terrible +/-.
Adam Henrique anyone? Anyone?
Nugent-Hopkins is hurt, sounds like maybe pretty badly. So I think his Calder fortunes are very much tied to how long he is out
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I knew they should have sent him to Juniors!
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by Rob Parker on Jan 5, 2012 2:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Probably Henrique.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 5, 2012 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
At this point, Nuge is the front runner, But as Birdie said, that could change if he’s out for a significant time. After him, Henrique seems to be the best candidate. I don’t see any goalie or dman as a serious threat.
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carl hagelin for the NYR has been doing quite well. My fantasy team is certainly very happy. But he’d have to get real hot to challenge Henrique in the “not-quite-RNH” race.
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Landeskog or Larsson? I know 81 is not really an option at this time because of his late start…but is he, at least, eligible for consideration?
Orlov is eligible, but won’t really be considered. The voters love flashy stats.
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Eh, Barrett Jackman won it without big numbers.
That said, I agree that Orlov won’t really be considered, because of his role, games played and numbers.
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But wasn’t Jackman playing lots of (tough?) minutes and clearin’ creases like a mofo.
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so, you’re saying the voters that year were all OFB writers?
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Yes. He won it without big numbers (except TOI, hits, PIMs, etc., perhaps). But not big box cars.
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i’d be perfectly happy with Orlov playing well all year and getting no consideration if we have a Russian that wins it outright next year…
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by Alz in the family on Jan 5, 2012 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
Orlov is eligible due to being a rookie, but he won’t be an option unless he starts scoring at least every other game. Larsson hasn’t really done enough to be considered – 2G, 11A, -11. Plus he’s on the same team as Henrique, who has much better numbers. Landeskog is unlikely – too far down in the rookie scoring ranks.
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Larsson hasn’t looked great. He will be good, but he hasn’t been Calder worthy. The crop of rookie D hasn’t been fantastic this season.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Jan 5, 2012 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
is anyone watching the bronze game? I’ll happily start a fan shot for discussion. I’m at work and can’t watch, but I’d love to follow along with the rest of you.
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wait, damn, it’s 3:30 local time, isn’t it? daaaaaamn.
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Only one way to find out.
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Doesn’t work for me. Found streams though http://www.wiziwig.tv/broadcast.php?matchid=139037&part=sports
huh, wrong again. 3:30 eastern time. GO FINLAND!
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Silly RB, I posted the info. both here and in the fanshot.
Anyway, it should be on NHLN.
nhl.com may have a stream online, too, not sure.
I blame it on the elbow :) it has me distracted.
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Bourque's crocodile tears
“I acknowledge my mistake, regret my action and take full responsibility. I accept the decision rendered by Brendan Shanahan on behalf of the League,” Bourque said in a statement Thursday. “I apologize to my teammates, the Flames organization and to Niklas Backstrom. I am embarrassed for what I did. These are exactly the type of plays that need to be eliminated from hockey.”
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From Brian Burke's presser today after waiving Colton Orr
"In the old days, players protected themselves and it evolved into a player protecting their teammates and now I’m not sure who is looking after each other, other than Brendan Shanahan. To me, it’s a dangerous turn in our game."
Burke, however, isn’t criticizing Shanahan for having to hold "six hearings" every few days.
"He’s got a lot more work than he should have. He needs a telephone receptionist at his house because of all the crap that is going on the ice," Burke said.
"Guys won’t back it up. They won’t drop their gloves and are running around elbowing people to the head and running people from behind because there is no accountability."
Hard to argue with that. It’s frustrating and I don’t really know what the solution is.
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The alternative is bloody mayhem on the ice from time to time, which the networks won’t tolerate.
They just need to keep suspending guy until the message sinks in. Someone will get made a real example of – say, 45 games or something – and that will probably do it.
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From the Toronto Star game recap
The Leafs captain had one of his best games of the season, a tour de force on the heels of a three-game losing streak that also saw several other teammates spar with Downie. This was the club’s first game of 2012 and the previous day at practice, the players discussed, among other things, the need to become a tougher team to play against. Phaneuf matched that promise with actions. And he wasn’t alone. Downie was at his best, being physical and borderline dangerous with his physical play. At first, he zeroed in on Phaneuf in the first period, triggering a scrum and some verbal exchanges that would have been bleeped out of the audio if they’d been picked up by the game camera microphones
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He can’t have scored enough goals against Niklas Backstrom to warrant an apology.
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