Saturday Caps Clips: Draft Day Dealings
by EmilyB on Jun 25, 2011 9:00 AM EDT
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Your savory Saturday brunch links:
- With the 26th pick in the first round of the 2011 NHL Entry Draft, the Capitals elect to trade said pick to the Chicago Blackhawks in exchange for the expiring RFA and arbitration-eligible contract of forward Troy Brouwer. [NHL.com, Dump'n'Chase, CI (Carrera), WashTimes (Whyno), PHT, SportsNet.ca, SB Nation Chicago, Chicago Sun-Times, Northwest Herald]
- "A preemptive strike." So sez Pierre McGuire. [DCEx (McNally)]
- Grittier. [CSN Washington (O'Halloran)]
- GM George McPhee explains how the deal went down... [CI (Carrera), Puck Daddy (video)]
- ...but it's not time to talk about the free agents. Not just yet. [CW (Whyno)]
- So why did the Hawks want to trade him anyway? [Sporting News (Custance), ESPN (Burnside), WashTimes (Whyno)]
- Hmm. The Canucks were in on Brouwer as well. [The Province]
- HawksNation had some thoughts on the matter. Boom. [Second City Hockey]
- JapersNation had some thoughts too. [Japers'Rink]
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"I'm very excited for it," Brouwer said of the trade. "It's going to be a great opportunity for me moving to a team that, like the Blackhawks, is going to be a contender next year for a Stanley Cup.
"(But) I'm kind of sad to leave Chicago where I've had so many good memories including being able to win a Stanley Cup. Chicago had given me the opportunity to come into the NHL."
As a restricted free agent, Brouwer realized he was one of the players who could be moved.
"I'd be lying if I said it was surprising," he said. "It always comes as a shock just because I was a restricted free agent and I wasn't sure if Chicago was going to move me or not. I wish things would have worked out with us and the Blackhawks because the city is great.
"It's tough to move on but you also understand where the Blackhawks are coming from. I'm glad that they kept me in mind … trading me to a team that has the potential to win the Stanley Cup year after year."
- Apparently Brouwer and Jeff Schultz were just reliving their old WHL days in the pic up top ^. [EBay (stick tap to Steck It Out)]
- Programming note: Sunday Clips returns tomorrow with full coverage of Day Two of the draft and CapsBlogNation analysis of the Brouwer trade.
- Finally, happy 37th birthday to Glen Metropolit
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Just realized the end of the “Michael Nylander era” is almost upon us, very sad
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A transcript of the Bowman/GMGM discussions:
GMGM: Stan, a first round pick is a lot to give up for Brouwer.
Stan: Well George, you said this draft sucks so maybe I should ask for more.
GMGM: Uh, no no no, a first is fine!
I know that GMGM’s remarks probably didn’t mean anything (since reports say Ottawa was willing to give up a high second), but I do tire a little bit of GMGM (and Ted) taking early victory laps.
by Reckless on Jun 25, 2011 9:58 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Here was my quick blog from last night on the Caps trade that wasn’t listed above:
by Ed F - WNST on Jun 25, 2011 10:19 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
My first reaction last night was that a first was a bit too high for Brouwer. If you believe a lot of the talk that in this draft, a late first isn’t much different from a mid second in a “normal” draft, then it makes more sense.
I can’t say that I’ve watched a ton of the Hawks games over the past couple of seasons, but when I did, I had a very favorable impression of Brouwer. The next 10 days should be pretty interesting.
Because now I can justify browsing and commenting during the work day with the argument that I am promoting my business.
My first reaction to the trade was that GMGM was not kidding when he said he wasn’t impressed with this year’s crop of draftees. So your assessment is spot on.
I then did my research and figured this guy can either do 2nd or 3rd line for us.
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From the 411 on the 1-3-1:
If it ain’t there, don’t force it. This is the big mistake Backstrom made in the first sequence. He didn’t like what he saw, but instead of retreating and regrouping, he slowed the play down and continued to push it forward. This deprived the other Caps forwards of their momentum and bunched the play up at the blueline, leading to a turnover. The Caps need to learn from what Dubinsky in the third video – once the Lightning start to collapse, dump the puck in and chase it down – don’t try to carry it or pass it through the mess of sticks and skates…
Playing against this system puts a premium on players who can carry the puck through neutral ice with speed, get the puck in deep and chase it down…
If the Caps can gain the zone with speed against the 1-3-1, cycle the puck, generate chances and begin to wear down Tampa’s defensive corps (while simultaneously keeping Tampa’s dangerous forwards hemmed in their own end), it would greatly increase the Caps’ chances of victory in the series.
One of the great mysteries of the Tampa series to me was that the bottom six was unwilling to do these things. Sure, it was frustrating that Ovechkin used the same move every time, but it was incomprehensible to me that the guys whose only offensive role is to dump and chase and cycle were unwilling to put the puck in the far corner so that their teammate could smack-a-D and collect the puck.
The acquisitions of Sjogren and now Brouwer seem to me to be, in part, acquisitions of players more willing to give up the cute and go for the dump and hit. Which is what you need from your third line, especially if your top two lines seem unwilling to play that way when necessary.
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by Gould Old Days on Jun 25, 2011 10:56 AM EDT reply actions
Grimaldi to FLA, Jurco and his magic hands to DET where he can learn from Datsyuk.
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So now the Panthers can get the support of all hockey fans in Monaco.
And, next year, if the Caps are in the mode to deal for prospects, the Caps will acquire him in a deal. (His name makes me think of a certain pair of recently former Caps who were roommates and one who we acquired from guess what team.)
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I just knew DET was going to get Jurco. Just knew it.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Jun 25, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
I sensed it and saw it.
"You just have a sense," Holland says. "The type of player you want, the type of situation you reference for your next game, you see it."
by Acer Jonesy's Laughker on Jun 25, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Looks like the Caps may have been looking pretty hard at Brett Flemming’s defense partner.
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Gibson’s a chatty kid.
That'll make your weagle wink!
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Just turned on the draft as he was being interviewed. agree.
So any fun pictures via Getty as of this morning?
Thought this one was interesting...
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The pics for top picks where they are holding up fingers for where they were picked are a bit silly…nothing compared to the curtain, however.
Nope, pretty tame this year…Kuz’s goofy face will live in infamy :P
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Not to mention Galiev’s
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…whoa, Filatov to Ottawa?
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…that’s all?
I’m pretty ticked that OTT got him for that price.
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by Knee high to a duck on Jun 25, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
…you think? A kid who has yet to make a splash at the NHL-level and has clearly become a burden for the Jackets for an early 3rd round pick is hardly comparable to a late 1st-round pick for a proven NHLer and a key part of a Cup win.
Sunrise, sunset, swiftly fly the years. One season following another, laden with happiness and tears.
brouwer at 2.5-3 million just isn’t all that great of a deal, imo. he appears to have benefited a lot from who he’s been playing with. whether he helps pull things the right direction on his own is in the air. he could easily be another chimera. and giving up a first for that seems like poor asset management to me.
I don’t think he cracks $3 million. This is a guy with a cap hit of just over a million, I’d say he ends up at around 2-2.5 max, which is fine for what he can bring. He’s like Bradley but he scores.
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SCH folks think he wants ~2.0, I could live with that.
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by Knee high to a duck on Jun 25, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
if he stays at 2ish, i’d be ok with it. but i wonder why chicago wouldn’t sign him if that’s all he wanted and if he’s all that.
That’s something I’ve been thinking about too. Especially given that they got rid of Campbell, they can afford him if they want to.
Please not a goalie.
Perhaps they have someone in the pipeline as a cheaper replacement? I don’t know enough about CHI to make an educated guess.
They have Kyle Beach who could be a monster if he really pans out. Like most, he probably never hits anything close to his ceiling. His huge, mean, and has hands.
Please not a goalie.
Sam Fels wrote that Morin could take a bunch of Brouwer’s minutes if he’s still got a brain instead of pancake batter. Both Beach and Morin could be excellent players if they hit near their ceilings, great tools.
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by Knee high to a duck on Jun 25, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I just don’t understand all of these comparisons to Chimera, Bradley and Hendriks. Brouwer is a player that had already matched Chimera’s season best in terms of point production and eclipsed their career bests in goals.
Saying it’s because he “benefited alot from who he’s been playing with” isn’t a fair piont either IMO as he’s coming to a team where IMO he’ll be slotted to replace Laich in the short term and chances are as a replacement to Knuble long term since Fehr has been unable to step up to the plate.
I think the comparisons to Chimmer, Bradley, and Hendricks were based on the assumption that Brouwer is a 3rd liner. Even though his productivity sounds like something that would fit on the Caps 2nd line as well.
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Right, but playing Chimera, Bradley and Hendricks on the 3rd line does not mean they should be 3rd liners on a Cup team. And for the record, I’m not so sure that he was brought here to play on the 3rd line. Knuble clearly did not belong on the first line for the first 1/2-3/4 of the regular season, Fehr has been unable to prove he’ll be Knuble’s replacement when he can stay healthy and Brooks is likely gone. I wouldn’t be surprised to see him get a shot with Ovechkin and Backstrom from the start.
I don’t think you can judge these deals in a vacuum either. Troy Brouwer seems to have much more value to the Caps than say, the Bruins, simply because his game (physical play, willingness to go to the net, etc) is something that the Caps lack, that Boston does not. Therefore it makes sense that GMGM would be willing to “overpay” for Brouwer relative to other teams.
Not really, the market is the market. If other teams don’t need him they won’t offer anything. It’s about what Vancouver was willing to give up and whether GMGM thought he could find a suitable replacement for cheaper.
Please not a goalie.
I did a double take on that one. That one would have totally been worth a flier on I think
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I would absolutely have done that on a flier. I love Filatov’s skillset and potential upside.
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by Knee high to a duck on Jun 25, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
5 years, 17 million.
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Yup…but not a ridiculous amount of money. Actually I’m surprised they got him for just a little over $3 mil/year – not that he deserves more but rarely do guys get paid what I think they deserve, so…yeah ;)
Love Tangs. Glad to see him staying in Calgary.
Sunrise, sunset, swiftly fly the years. One season following another, laden with happiness and tears.
Didn’t know you liked Calgary, in addition to the Caps and Montreal.
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I do indeed. Iginla’s one of my all-time favorite players and I started watching them more closely during their Finals run in ’04, they kind of stuck.
Sunrise, sunset, swiftly fly the years. One season following another, laden with happiness and tears.
He had a NMC or NTC on a one year deal for each of the last 2 seasons; at that cap hit, I’m assuming he’s got something with this one, too.
Ha…the Providence Bruins have a new head coach. Bruce Cassidy.
Sunrise, sunset, swiftly fly the years. One season following another, laden with happiness and tears.
What a comedown for Butch!
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Promoting an assistant from within so they know what they are getting but I’m a little surprised they are promoting him.
Even if his level of incompetence was already proven at the NHL level.
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The closer we get to July 1st the more intriguing it is to put Semin at second line center. Do you still have that article in the archives?
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by Chaz-Capapalooza on Jun 25, 2011 11:48 AM EDT reply actions
I think it was the “Rock the Red” blogger who wrote that one. But I’m sure the link can be found.
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http://rockthered.net/2011-articles/may/it-all-centers-around-alexander-semin.html
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by Chaz-Capapalooza on Jun 25, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
NHL draft trivia for the future…who was the 69th pick in the NHL draft?
Why wouldn’t they just bump everyone up a slot? So silly to ‘skip’ the pick as a result of the Kovalchuk penalty.
It appears we were skipped in the 2nd round of the 2003 draft. When I ever looked at the archives, I noticed its absence for the Caps, not traded or anything, but gone gone.
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I wonder if the Caps had lost a pick that year due to getting punished for some misdeed but can’t recall.
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I think they did have some traded picks listed but one skipped pick entirely.
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Could have been a penalty, I’m not recalling it…but I don’t believe they actually skipped a number in the order, which is what my comment was here. I will take a look; it takes a little longer during those years to sort out second round order because of the 2nd round compensation picks assigned with the rules in the last CBA.
You’re right, they didn’t skip the number then but the Caps were skipped. But it’s weird that they skipped #69 entirely.
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I checked that year (in Wikepedia) and a lot of traded picks had happened. It had them listed, including several trades in later round but nada listed for Round 2 related to Washington, not even a notation of “from Washington”.
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Wikipedia is wikipedia :)
I went through a list of players I knew were traded during that time frame until I found the right one.
here’s the source:
Wikipedia is wikipedia :)
Might as well fix it, no?
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by Gould Old Days on Jun 25, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I have never made an entry in Wiki, don’t plan to figure out how to do so and start now. I defer to someone else.
It ain’t hard. I think it’s something everyone ought to do once
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by Gould Old Days on Jun 25, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Watching what’s going on today, I’m certainly becoming convinced that the GMs of the league had no idea what to make of this year’s crop of prospects.
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by Gould Old Days on Jun 25, 2011 12:15 PM EDT reply actions
After sleeping on it I feel better about the trade. For the last couple of weeks I’ve been arguing that you need to get an NHL player with your first round pick. Well, we did that. We gave up a chance at a lot of upside, but we got a legitimate NHL player that fits a serious hole on our team. I don’t love the trade, I don’t think trading firsts for 3rd liners is a sustainable way to go about business, but right now the team is better.
Please not a goalie.
by Rob Parker on Jun 25, 2011 12:31 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I had the luxury of being out last night and reading through all the posts when I returned. I too like the trade.
- We minimize risk with a 1st rounder (think Pokoluk)
- We get younger (think Bradley for Brouwer)
- We give ourselves some $ to spend (presumably no Laich)
- We get a winner that knows what it takes as a role player to win a cup.
I know we don’t have an endless list of kids in the system, but we don’t have roster spots for an endless list.
I also hark back to the hand and bush conversation from Friday afternoon. GMGM went for hand over bush.
Candidly, a lot of us old guys find hand much more available than bush as we get older and marriages get longer.
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by STLSpidey on Jun 25, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
EW.
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I’m a bad, bad man
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by Gould Old Days on Jun 25, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
You did start that yesterday, didn’t you?
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I may have had some small part in it, yes
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by Gould Old Days on Jun 25, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
What, in the bush?
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by Knee high to a duck on Jun 25, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Pun intended, I assume.
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That’s what…nah. But yeah, you all are guilty. F&B, don’t think you’re getting out of this scot-free.
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I’ll take full responsibility for this morning’s part deux.
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I think the key word here is risk. What are the odds that the player just doesn’t pan out? (The Pokoluk example is good). Or that the player never reaches the potential you had in mind when you drafted him? (B. Gordon) What are the odds of injury that completely derails the player (Gustafsson) or significantly limits him? (Fehr) What are the odds the player chooses not to play in the NHL?
Take the player’s upside, multiply it by the probability that the player reaches it, and that’s basically their value. I’d rate Marcus Johansson or Evegni Kuznetzov as more valuable on their respective draft days than Troy Brouwer is now, but if the Caps say there’s no player of that ability available at 26 this year, I believe them. You’re giving up on the chance of drafting a star (and I guarantee there’s at least one player taken between 26 and 40 will make us wish we’d drafted that guy), but you know what you are getting and it’s something valuable.
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by Gould Old Days on Jun 25, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, we’ll see how strong this draft was 5 years from now, but it’s clear they didn’t think it was very good. If they turn out to be right, then great. If it’s just one guy from 26-40 that makes us regret it I’ll live with it. If there are 4-5 guys then I’ll be a little sour.
Please not a goalie.
Draft picks from 26-40 from 2004-2007
2004:
26. Cory Schneider (Goaltender)
27. Jeff Schultz (Defense)
28. Mark Fistric (Defense)
29 Mike Green (Defense) *
30. Andy Rogers (Defense)
31. Johannes Salmonsson
32. Dave Bolland (Centre)
33. Chris Bourque (Centre)
34. Johan Fransson (Defence)
35. Logan Stephenson (Defence)
36. Darin Olver (Centre)
37. David Shantz (Goaltender)
38. Justin Peters (Goaltender)
39. Jordan Smith (Defence)
40. Grant Lewis (Defence)
I think I’d make a case for Fistric, Schultz, Green and Bolland, so 25%.
2005:
26 Matt Pelech (Defence)
27 Joe Finley (Defence)
28 Matt Niskanen (Defence)
29 Steve Downie (Right Wing)
30 Vladimir Mihalik (Defence)
31 Brendan Mikkelson (Defence)
32 Tyler Plante (Goaltender)
33 James Neal (Left Wing)
34 Ryan Stoa (Centre)
35 Marc-Edouard Vlasic (Defence)
36 Taylor Chorney (Defence)
37 Scott Jackson (Defence)
38 Jeff Frazee (Goaltender)
39 Petr Kalus (Centre)
40 Michael Sauer (Defence)
Downie, Neal, Vlasic, Sauer on ELCs, so 25%
2006
26 Leland Irving (Goaltender)
27 Ivan Vishnevskiy (Defense)
28 Nick Foligno (Left Wing)
29 Chris Summers (Defense)
30 Matt Corrente (Defense)
31 Tomas Kana (Centre)
32 Carl Sneep (Defence)
33 Igor Makarov (Right Wing)
34 Michal Neuvirth (Goaltender)
35 Francois Bouchard (Right Wing)
36 Jamie McGinn (Left Wing)
37 Yuri Alexandrov (Defence)
38 Bryce Swan (Right Wing)
39 Andreas Nodl (Right Wing)
40 Ondrej Fiala (Centre)
I count Neuvy, Nodl, maybe Foligno, so we’ll call that 2.5 out of 16.
2007:
26 David Perron (Left Wing)
27 Brendan Smith (Defence)
28 Nick Petrecki (Defence)
29 Jim O’Brien (Centre)
30 Nick Ross (Defence)
31 T. J. Brennan (Defence)
32 Brett MacLean (Left Wing)
33 Taylor Ellington (Defence)
34 Josh Godfrey (Defence)
35 Tommy Cross (Defence)
36 Joel Gistedt (Goaltender)
37 Stefan Legein (Right Wing)
38 Bill Sweatt (Left Wing)
39 Simon Hjalmarsson (Right Wing)
40 Michal Repik (Right Wing)
Getting a little early yet to tell, but the only guy I like as clearly better than an NHL contributor is Perron. We’ll see how Repik continues to do in FLA, but I don’t remember him as a guy that really blows my doors off.
So yeah. If this draft is actually worse than these, then trading out of the 26th spot for an NHL guy that fits a need for the Caps probably isn’t a bad move.
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by Knee high to a duck on Jun 25, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions 9 recs
McGinn and Corrente just played their rookie NHL seasons. B. Smith and Petrecki are both on the cusp with deep organizations (though I have more doubts about Petrecki). As much as I hate taking goalies in the first, you have to count Schneider as a successful pick.
Please not a goalie.
I glossed right over McGinn, too early to call on him for sure.
Schneider looks like a good player, I just haven’t seen much of him. Related: How much better is VAN if they can get what Schneider looks like on an ELC and get rid of Luongo? That’s two solid lower-line guys or an impact F or D.
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by Knee high to a duck on Jun 25, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Fun fact: this is the second year in a row where the guy I picked in our SBN mock draft was taken by the Islanders with their next pick. Ergo, I’m the worst.
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On the other hand, they’ve got one of the best young talent pools in the entire league.
Please not a goalie.
Does Washington have the last first pick this year? They must, right?
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by Gould Old Days on Jun 25, 2011 12:39 PM EDT reply actions
Huh, that’s interesting – Kevin Lowe’s son told Edmonton he wanted to go somewhere other than the Oilers, wanted to make his own name. Hard not to respect that, kid’s got a good head on his shoulders.
Sunrise, sunset, swiftly fly the years. One season following another, laden with happiness and tears.
Yup – really interesting to see the difference there. Doesn’t mean Dillon Simpson doesn’t have a good head on HIS shoulders, too, of course…plus I’d have to think there’d be a bit more pressure on the son of the Oilers’ president than there will be on the son of an alumni/broadcaster.
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Watching the draft board like a hawk! (Hawks drink Pepsi and watch TV, right?)
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Leonsis’ entire blog post about the trade:
We have many young prospects in our line up today.
We have many young prospects that will battle for spots in our line up this coming season and next season.
We are still a young team with upside.
I am not surprised that our front office made this trade as we drafted quite low in the first round this year at #26. Chicago continues to have to recraft its team as it was up against the salary cap and made two big moves trading its big free agent signing of a couple of years ago – Brian Campbell to Florida and then Troy Brouwer to us for our pick.
As George and folks note about Troy, he is a big physical player with versatility and plays with a mean streak. He is gritty and he won a Stanley Cup; can score goals; and is a very positive player in the locker room. He also isn’t afraid to take the body and was a league leader in the hit stat category.
He will slide right into our line up next season so we add a player immediately. We don’t have to wait to get productivity.
At this point in our development as a team, I believe this is a good move. Thank you.
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Calgary’s last pick is listed at 5’6", 137 pounds.
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Must be speedy as hell and one tough S.O.B. Steve Sullivan, perhaps?
72 points in 60 games, but also what looks like 18 minor penalties.
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How often is the Caps’ Prospects roster updated on WashingtonCaps.com?
I asked because a) Kyle Wilson is listed there, and I don’t call us re-signing him, and b) because there are a number of guys on there that are never, ever discussed.
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The suspense is…
…moderate
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by Gould Old Days on Jun 25, 2011 12:57 PM EDT reply actions
Just think of this as important insurance in case Philip Grubauer flames out.
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by Gould Old Days on Jun 25, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Translated page from EliteProspects.com
Nice guys finish first, but sometimes the season is awfully long.
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Talk about Soberg here.
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Sad fact I realized this morning. Troy Brower and Andrew Gordon both went in the 2004 seventh round. And Gordon was chosen first.
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Thought of that as soon as I realized Brouwer was from the 2004 draft.
Still a lot of 2004 picks on the team…as we know.
typical speedy second day…already at 133 in 5th round, Caps next pick for now is at 147
I wonder if this draft will set a record for Swedes selected; still a number being picked.
It isn’t just me, is it — NHL Network is doing a terrible job today?
Lacking specific evidence to the contrary, I shall blame this on Chemmy and Two Line Pass.
by CapitalCentre on Jun 25, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I turned it on around noon and have been confused because the information says the draft is on…and all I see is terrible commentary.
And uninstructive montages. Don’t forget the uninstructive montages.
Lacking specific evidence to the contrary, I shall blame this on Chemmy and Two Line Pass.
by CapitalCentre on Jun 25, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Awful
All talk and no action. They are missing most of the drafting and running a lot of their own video pieces on players. Usually better than this :(
and more
including a Q&A
http://troyrecord.com/articles/2010/10/06/sports/doc4cad4e95a6cfc682855112.txt
Koudys post is up.
(Guys, save yourselves the trouble, you know the drill…we’ll have a post on each of these kids as soon as we can pull them together, feel free to post links/etc there rather than having to do it twice. It’s not a race.)
Sunrise, sunset, swiftly fly the years. One season following another, laden with happiness and tears.
Meet Travis Boyd, y’all.
Sunrise, sunset, swiftly fly the years. One season following another, laden with happiness and tears.
Alright, who’s pumped for pick #207? I mean, new Cap Troy Brouwer was a seventh round draft pick, so this selection could be just as important and contribute / be flipped for a 1st round pick in a couple of years.
In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.
Love that, Arizona kid gets taken by Phoenix. But this sport will never flourish in “nontraditional markets”, best to just pull out of them and not let hockey take root…
Sunrise, sunset, swiftly fly the years. One season following another, laden with happiness and tears.
It would have been pretty rough to watch Winnipeg pick a kid from Georgia…
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Jun 25, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Are either of those two still left for the Caps to grab?
In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.
Can’t be any fun to be there and not be drafted, especially if ranked that high. However, in terms of being a FA for camps this summer and to potentially be signed, it can work to one’s advantage over being picked in a late round of the draft.
Does anyone else find it interesting that given GMGM’s disdain for bidding wars that his last two trades have been exactly that? While the moves for Arnott and Brouwer certainly haven’t broke the bank, when push came to shove, McPhee ponied up more than other teams were willing to offer, something he seemed to be reluctant to do in the past.
I won’t speak for trades, but GMGM has certainly got into bidding wars/overpaid for FAs. Nylander and Clark jump into my head instantly.
I don’t think there’s a way to acquire FAs without engaging in a bit of a bidding war – at least not the ones at a certain skill level.
Sunrise, sunset, swiftly fly the years. One season following another, laden with happiness and tears.
I don’t think there’s a way to acquire players via a trade without engaging in a bit of a bidding war – at least not the ones at a certain skill level.
I may even be misremembering, but I was thinking back to deals along the lines of Fedorov and Wideman, deals that made people go “Wow I didn’t even know he was available!” vs. people knew he was available and GMGM offered the best deal (which Arnott and Brouwer fall under). The caveat being of course that any smart GM would call around to make sure another team wouldn’t offer a better deal in cases like Feds and Wideman.
OK, Mirtle just RTd this so some will see it, but the way this is written, wow
Jim Rutherford says Eric Staal has been sent to Gary Roberts’ summer conditioning program.
Uh oh.
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by red army line on Jun 25, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s unfortunate, it can only make him better. And although it does make me smile, the Caps can’t feel a whole lot better about their Captain.
Please not a goalie.
You know what would make me feel better about our Captain? Seeing him at Gary Roberts’s summer conditioning program.
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by Knee high to a duck on Jun 25, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I know that.
But he needs that camp like Vancouver needs riot police.
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by Knee high to a duck on Jun 25, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Back to the earlier convo, I’d like to go back to the US network simply showing TSN’s draft coverage.
Yeah — I was definitely jealous of Canadians today.
Lacking specific evidence to the contrary, I shall blame this on Chemmy and Two Line Pass.
by CapitalCentre on Jun 25, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Caps draft weekend:
A goalie from Norway (with dual citizenship with US per reports)
A Canadian playing NCAA hockey in the US
And a kid from Minnesota and one from California playing in the USHL headed to play NCAA hockey
Of course, they got their WHL ties in via the Brouwer trade.
What ever ended up happening to Zakhar Arzamastsev, the draft-eligible Russian defenseman who plays with Orlov’s old team. Hockey’s Future had him as the 3rd best Russian available, but I can’t find his name anywhere on the draft picks lists…
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by thebreakawaygoal on Jun 25, 2011 3:01 PM EDT reply actions
Oh, that’s the guy the Copper and Blue compared to Dmitry Orlov. More on the guy. You’re right, he wasn’t drafted. What’s the rule on guys who get passed on? Can a team sign them, or must they re-enter the draft?
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by red army line on Jun 25, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
nothing I recall says we can’t just up and sign him today. I’m very intrigued by him (read my post below) and would love to see him at least come to dev. camp so we get a better look
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by thebreakawaygoal on Jun 25, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
wait, just checked the CBA, I’m not sure if you can sign this guy as a free agent… he might have to re-enter the draft.
No Player shall be eligible for play in the League unless he … had been eligible for claim in the last Entry Draft, but was unclaimed, and:
(i) had played hockey in North America the prior season and was age 20 or older at the time of the last Entry Draft, and signed an SPC which was signed and registered with the League between the conclusion of the Entry Draft and commencement of the next NHL Season.
(ii) had played hockey in North America the prior season and was under age 20 at the time of the last Entry Draft, and signed an SPC which was signed and registered with the League between the conclusion of the Entry Draft and commencement of the Major Juniors season (except that if such Player had signed an NHL try- out form, which was signed and registered with the League during the aforesaid time period, then the deadline for signing and registering with the League an SPC with such try-out Club shall be the commencement of the NHL Season).
(iii) had played hockey outside of North America in the prior season and was age 22 or older at the time of the last Entry Draft and signed an SPC which was signed and registered with the League between the conclusion of the Entry Draft and the commencement of the next NHL Season.
(iv) The words “eligible for claim in the last Entry Draft” in subparagraph (b) above mean “eligible for claim in all rounds of the last Entry Draft.” The words “the prior season” in subparagraph (i), (ii) and (iii) above mean “a full season prior to the last Entry Draft.”
I’m not sure if you can sign non-North Americans as undrafted free agents before they’re 20-something
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by thebreakawaygoal on Jun 25, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
More on Zakhar Arzamastsev…
Arzamastsev is more of a defensive defenseman with some interesting offensive instincts. Gifted with a good shot and decent passing abilities, the Novokuznetsk, Russia, native needs to improve his defensive player, even though he received some good experience in his KHL rookie season. In addition to his shot and passing abilities, Arzamastsev reads the play well and possesses some much needed hockey intelligence. He has a lot to work on, but is a good project defenseman.
I wouldn’t mind him as a potential undrafted signing… I’d say it’d be worth it, no? At least try to invite him to development camp. Also…
@SlavaMalamud:
One Russian really hurt is Zakhar Arzamastsev who is a better defensive player than Dmitry Orlov (who is more of an offensive Dman).
@SlavaMalamud: If Arzamastsev falls to the #Caps in the 4th and GMGM jumps on him, he’ll get himself another Russian steal. Very solid defensive d-man.
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by thebreakawaygoal on Jun 25, 2011 3:09 PM EDT reply actions
Interesting, via wyshinski
cotsonika Nick Cotsonika
NHL exec said to expect dramatic realignment in 2012-13. Four time-zone based divisions, two with eight teams, two with seven.
Don’t try to figure Sasha out. Just ride the wave.
by gfcaps fan on Jun 25, 2011 3:16 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Bring back Patrick clap clap clapclapcalp!
Bring back Patrick clap clap clapclapcalp!
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by Knee high to a duck on Jun 25, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
If only. It’s not that I want those teams in the same division, per se, but it saddens me that the NHL disconnected itself from its history by scrapping the names.
Lacking specific evidence to the contrary, I shall blame this on Chemmy and Two Line Pass.
by CapitalCentre on Jun 25, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Will be interesting to see if it gets the Caps out of the SE or not. I can’t quite make that or the time zones work. I had to group Mountain and Pacific together.
BOS, NYR, NYI, NJ, PHI, TOR, MTL, BUF
DET, WAS, CLB, TB, FLA, CAR, PIT, OTT
NSH, DAL, STL, COL, MIN, CHI, WIN
PHX, LA, ANA, SJ, VAN, CAL, EDM
Nice guys finish first, but sometimes the season is awfully long.
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Whoops – make that Mountain and Central in one group and Mountain and Pacific in another.
Phoenix is also on Arizona Time, which means it will flip between Mountain and Pacific.
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Only teams that I have a real hate-on for that aren’t in this division are the Rangers and Devils. I can definitely get down with this, plus the chance to see DET six times a year.
And deliciously puts Carter in the same division as Philly.
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by Knee high to a duck on Jun 25, 2011 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
You cut more North/South than I did. I tried to be a little fancier.
The Caps division is one tough mo-fo.
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I tried to keep NY together, Canada together, and BOS is a natural rival with Canada and NY, NJD belongs with NY. That just seems simple to me. Then the south has to be together, PA has to be together, and CBJ should be with PIT. DET could go with Canada, but there was no room, they already were in a division with CBJ, and PIT hates them. I liked your western divisions so I didn’t want to tinker, but you could swap NSH and DET to try to keep DET with CHI and STL. I might do that, I just don’t want to hear the DET whining.
Pleased not a goalie.
You will hear DET whining. They want to be in the Eastern Time Zone.
I thought yours were significantly different than mine on first glance, but all you did was swap OTT and PHI. That’s my bad on geography, thinking OTT was west of Toronto. Had I known that, I would have swapped as well.
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I’d like to get the western Canadian teams together, but that means either kicking out PHX or making drastic changes in terms of who plays with the CA teams. I guess I wouldn’t mind moving PHX out, and if they end up moving there will be more relocation needed anyway.
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You could flip PHX and WIN, although I think WIN is in the Central Time Zone, and, remember, PHX is same time as California half the year.
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I like this. Lots off good teams, but should be a fun division.
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by thebreakawaygoal on Jun 25, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Will they be willing to go unbalanced like MLB currently is? Or will the “east” have 1 division of 8 and 1 division of 7?
I think two divisions of eight, as there are 16 teams in the eastern time zone. Fits perfectly.
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Spidey, I like the two Westernmost alignments, keeping most of them in the same time zones. Colorado is the “outlier” in the mostly Central zone but probably closer to many of the cities there than to the ones in the Pacific.
I would do the Eastern teams a little differently (and different than F&B below) but would do it geographically.
My take on the East:
Toronto, Detroit, Montreal, Buffalo, Ottawa, Boston, Pitt, Columbus
NYR, NYI, Phil, Wash, Tampa, Fla, CAR, NJ.
I did mostly North/South as well but split a little differently. Figure that a good rivalry between Pitt and Columbus could develop. Detroit is actually close to Ontario.
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Here’s my summary:
2011 NHL Draft Washington Capitals
1st round: #26, Traded to Chicago in Brouwer deal on draft day
2nd round: #57, Traded to Carolina in Corvo deal; (Calgary pick via other trades)
3rd round: #87, Traded to Florida in Wideman deal
4th round: #117 Steffen Soberg, G, Norway, rights until June 1, 2013
5th round: #147 Patrick Koudys, D, RPI NCAA Hockey, rights until August 15, 2014 (already played freshman season)
6th round: #177 Travis Boyd, C, USHL, headed to UMinn for next season, rights until August 15, 2015
7th round: #207 Garrett Haar, D, USHL, headed to Northeastern for next season, rights until August 15, 2015
by sk84fun_dc on Jun 25, 2011 3:26 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
More on Zakhar Arzamastsev…
Unlike most of the players presented in this feature, Zakhar Arzamastsev, a late 1992 birthday, already has good adult experience as he’s playing his second year within Metallurg Novokuznetsk’s lineup (he’s thus a teammate of Caps’ Dmitri Orlov and Kings’ Maxim Kitsyn, and comes from the same organization that produced Flyers’ Sergei Bobrovsky). He has been playing a limited role, about ten minutes a night, but still he proved that he can play in such high level as the KHL. Arzamastsev is a good two-way defenseman with a good shot and a fast deliver. He already scored in the KHL and this shows that he’s not out of place playing in a pro league. With that being said he needs to improve his defensive presence, physical play and positioning before thinking about crossing the pond. He has got a good size already, but some additional muscle wouldn’t hurt.
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by thebreakawaygoal on Jun 25, 2011 3:44 PM EDT reply actions
I don't know how I missed this from Fehr
At the Beach Boys concert featuring John Stamos.
That'll make your weagle wink!
The pants that bind us should be left behind us.
For those curious about the shirt, let me start by recommending that you give up the foolish quest, and then spot you the search terms “Jesse” and “Rippers” if you must track down what the hell that is.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Jun 26, 2011 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions
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