Sunday Caps Clips: Blanking the Bell Centre
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- Join us at 10am Eastern for a special first anniversary Sunday edition of Japers' Rink Radio. Pepper and Russell welcome the always-welcome Alan May to the program. Let's talk goalies, shall we? [JRR]
- Recaps and other assorted musings on last night's shutout win from us, Caps365 video (Boudreau, players), Vogs , NHL.com (Arpon Basu, who also has a Habs blog), WaPo (Carrera: blog, gamer), WashTimes (Whyno: blog, blog, gamer), DCEx (McNally), Peerless, Frankovic, RMNB, SB Nation DC, Puckhead, Capitals Outsider, KOL, DC Pro Sports Report, CRtC, Capitals Hill, and from the Canadien perspective, Montreal Gazette and CBC.ca.
- Some videos for your viewing pleasure:
- If you'd like to watch the full HNIC broadcast, we've got you covered... [CBC Video]
- ...here's a nice standing ovation for the members of the '94 Montreal Expos who attended the game... [RDS video]
- ...and Braden Holtby, BAMF. [WashingtonCapitalsHD, RMNB]
- Two of the League's finest rookie defensemen faced each other on the ice last night. [NHL.com]
- Also playing last night - one of the League's finest veteran leaders. [NHL.com]
- We already learned that the Caps won't be opening their season in Russia. Now we are learning why. [ESPN, PHT]
- Everyone remembers Ron Weber, the Caps' first (and before Steve Kolbe, only) radio announcer. But how much do you remember about Mike Fornes, TV announcer? These interviews by new blogger Caps Degenerate should jog your memory. [Intro, Bio, Part One]
- Congratulations are in order for Keith Aucoin, who notched his 700th and 701st AHL points last night. He's now only 12 points away from surpassing Bruce Boudreau on the list of all-time scorers. [SHoE, LDN, Patriot-News]
- Road trip, eh? [Ravings of a Rink Rebel]
- Quick roundup of the Caps' prospects and their playoffs:
- Cody Eakin went 0-2-2, minus-1, as his Kootenay Ice equalized the series with a 5-2 win over Moose Jaw.
- Sam Carrier had no points and a minus-1, but the MAINEiacs eked out a 2-1 win over Moncton.
- Brett Flemming was on-ice for no goals for or against and St. Mike's blanked Belleville 1-0. Of note: the Bulls' goalie is P.K. Subban's little brother Malcolm. He stopped 28 of 29 shots from a very dangerous Majors team.
- Another day, another curbstomping by the St. John Sea Dogs. Stanislav Galiev had two points, a plus-2, and the game-winning goal as Cape Breton again fell 7-1.
- Finally, Phil DeSimone and the University of New Hampshire have advanced to the NCAA regional round by defeating the #1 seed Miami Red Hawks by a score of 3-2. He gave a nice interview a couple of days ago. [Buffalo News]
- One more note: Goaltender Brandon Anderson suited up as a Hershey Bear for his first pro game last night. With Holtby on recall to Washington, the Bears opted not to bring up Todd Ford from the Stingrays and Brandon donned a ball cap and backed up Nolan Schaefer in their 7-4 win over the Albany Devils. Congrats Brandon!
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I’m hoping that the absence of Ovechkin and Arnott is the main reason the PP is so ineffective. That said, if Boudreau doesn’t get the powerplay to be at least semi-effective, it will be a short run in the playoffs. Last night’s game should have been out of reach in the first and there they were clinging to a 1 goal lead in the third because they couldn’t get anything going with the man-advantage.
Having to play Eric Fehr on the point speaks to how injured this team is. Mike Green can’t come back soon enough.
by Berube Doobie Doo on Mar 27, 2011 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Price had a lot to do with that, but point taken. I thought the PP got worse as the game went on. The first PP or two they actually had some chances.
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As I said in the other thread, my favorite part about this is Wideman’s reaction. "What the? – oh, it’s just Holtby being Holtby"
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by Gould Old Days on Mar 27, 2011 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
I replayed this about 5 times last night. Dude is cold-blooded.
by mechanicsville on Mar 27, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Recap says:
Know who’s tougher than he ever gets credit for? Karl Alzner.
Anyone know what JP had in mind? Was there some particular play yesterday?
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by Gould Old Days on Mar 27, 2011 10:29 AM EDT reply actions
One blocked shot that caught him in the boot and one hit he took from Eller straight into the boards (that should’ve been interference), and not a peep out of him on either. More a general comment, though. Not to tempt fate, but you never hear that guy complain about bumps and bruises, do you?
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I love watching him. Just focusing on him for a while. His body positioning looks so effortless. It’s not just that he’s almost always in the right place at the right time — it’s the way he uses leverage to force others away from where they want to be.
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by Gould Old Days on Mar 27, 2011 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Completely agree, but I’ve been a known Alzner fanboy for a while now. It’s great to watch him find his confidence at the NHL level.
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At the risk of tempting fate, he reminds me of Langway, the way he holds his ground around the puck and moves guys out of the way without having to wrap them up.
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Looks like Nyjer Morgan’s days as a Caps fan are over. More than likely, he’ll be sitting next to Burton at Nashville games, but I’m sure he hopes that he’ll be watching these guys:
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by Gould Old Days on Mar 27, 2011 10:33 AM EDT reply actions
1) Are the Milwaukee Brewers sending him down to the minors or what?
2) Will Cutter Dykstra be taking his place as a Caps fan?
3) I must admit I had a soft spot for Morgan — any player who shares my birthday (different year) and is acquired around the time of my birthday. (Or does that mean I’m a head case?)
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Japers’ Rink Radio revelation from Alan May: John Erskine is cut from the same mold as Rod Langway.
I have to do some thinking about this.
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I’m listening in the background, while doing something else. But – yes, I got that.
The reaction of JP and Pepper (um, um) was priceless.
Then May goes on to say that “back in the day” Erskine would be one of the highest paid players and would be a household name. How times change?
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That’s Russell riding shotgun with Pep, not me, fwiw.
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Told you I was listening in the background! :-)
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And my mic was turned off at that moment so it wasn’t me saying um. hahahaha. :)
by freakinandpeakin on Mar 27, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought it was interesting that late in the podcast when asked which defensive players would be in the playoff lineup should everyone be healthy May left out Erskine (as well as Poti) in his preferred pairings: it was IIRC Alzner/Carlson, Schultz/Green, and Hannan/Wideman.
Maybe Erskine just brings back memories for May, different from his analysis of the most valuable d-guys on the current team.
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by capsyoungguns on Mar 27, 2011 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t see any reason why those wouldn’t be the preferred pairings if everyone was healthy.
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Only change would be if you want Hannan with Green.
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by Rob Parker on Mar 27, 2011 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I personally would love those pairings. My observation was about May, that after his extensive praise of Erskine, he nevertheless still made him the 7th/8th defenseman in a separate discussion near the end of the podcast.
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by capsyoungguns on Mar 27, 2011 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I was just going to invoke that name above. I agree totally — there’s something about Karl Alzner’s mannerisms that reminds me of Rod Langway. The way Alzner reacts when something goes wrong — there’s an instant of rage across his face, and then total emotion control again — reminds me of Langway whenever a goal was scored against.
Wait, did you say Erskine?
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by Gould Old Days on Mar 27, 2011 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
More from May: I never saw Dale Hunter play, but hearing Matt Cooke compared to him is disconcerting.
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And ridiculous. When he said Cooke is more talented than Hunter I spit up my cheerios. Cooke has a litle more than 300 points in some 800 games and has never reached 20 goals in a season. Hunter is the only player with 3000 penalty minutes and 1000 points. He reached 20 goals nine times in his career. From a dirty player standpoint, Cooke can’t hold a candle to Hunter either.
When I heard Kypreos make that comment sort of equating Cooke and Hunter it prompted me to want to ask Alan about that.
I took a little something different from the response than you did though. You often hear people say that Semin is more purely talented than Ovechkin. That doesn’t mean people would want Semin before Ovechkin. I took from it that Cooke is faster and has a better shot that Hunter…he had more pure talent.
by freakinandpeakin on Mar 27, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok, so running with that. Semin is more talented than AO, but less focused/committed/whatever. What is the difference between Cooke and Hunter that let Hunter be so much more effective? Can’t really say Cooke doesn’t lay it on the line every night, otherwise he wouldn’t be in the NHL.
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That is a fair question and probably would have been a good follow-up.
Looking at pure stats is dangerous though, because of the different eras. Scoring was much higher during Hunter’s playing days. There is also always that X factor about any particular player.
by freakinandpeakin on Mar 27, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
If you aren’t listening live, take a gander later. May goes on at length about Erskine and how he was tutored by Craig Ludwig and Derian Hatcher.
“Tutored by Derian Hatcher” says a lot, doesn’t it?
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there’s something about Karl Alzner’s mannerisms that reminds me of Rod Langway
I’ve been saying that for a while, but for completely different reasons.
Erskine, not so much.
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by CapitalCentre on Mar 27, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
What reasons did you have in mind?
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by Gould Old Days on Mar 27, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Alan May: John Erskine is cut from the same mold as Rod Langway. … May goes on to say that "back in the day" Erskine would be one of the highest paid players and would be a household name.
Whether or not this is accurate or hyperbole is largely irrelevant, since in today’s NHL he’s undeniably a 6/7 guy (which I suppose was the point about how things have changed). But good on Erskine – a guy cut from the pre-lockout mold – for being able to adapt his game enough to make a good career out of his skills in the “new” NHL. Gotta admire that.
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I’d go so far as to say that Erskine has earned his contract.
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by Gould Old Days on Mar 27, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not there yet, he’ll need to show that this season was more than just a good year.
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And we probably need to see how much the salary cap will increase in the offseason. But it’s entirely possible that at least by 2012-13, $1.5 Million is less of a burden than $1.25 was this year
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by Gould Old Days on Mar 27, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey, is anyone an ESPN insider?
Did CapGeek say what they project next year’s salary cap to be here?
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by Gould Old Days on Mar 27, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Grrrr — I hate reading MSM, non-sportswriter articles about hockey. They always get the fundamentals wrong.
Was looking for info on next year’s salary cap, and I ran into aForbes article that uses this lede:
A critical battle is underway challenging the very heart of the professional sports economics model — and it is not the NFL labor negotiations. The unlikely fight is between a struggling league (the NHL), a suburb with delusions of grandeur (Glendale, Arizona), and a small, regional think tank (the Goldwater Institute). At stake is an important source of value for nearly every professional sports team: taxpayer subsidies.Where does he get the idea that the NHL is struggling? Struggling with what? Because every source I’ve seen suggests that revenues are significantly up from last year, and their TV deal seems to be opening up at the perfect time, given the potential NFL lockout. Seems to me that the NFL and NBA are struggling much more than the NHL is right now (New Orleans Hornets anyone?). And if you’re a fan of the Pittsburgh Pirates or the Kansas City Royals, tell me that MLB isn’t struggling with its own issues. (Or Baltimore Orioles or Washington Nationals, for that matter)
Of the 4 major North American sports leagues, seems to me the NHL is the one that is currently most clear on what it is, what it isn’t — the league that’s most comfortable in its own skin. And that kind of steadiness is good for the league and good for revenues.
Struggling? Please dude, don’t toss in a throwaway line like that without any explanation. It’s unprofessional, and shows the writer’s bias. If you’re going to say an entire league is struggling, at least provide some rationale or source.
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by Gould Old Days on Mar 27, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
What are you trying to imply about the MLB? The chief counsel of MLB spoke to one of my classes and assured us MLB is in its golden age and that the competitive parity has never been better. He even said it with a straight face. Why would he lie to us?
His point on the NHL would be valid if he wrote it, say… 5 years ago. But it’s pretty clear that the NHL is doing much better than anyone would have given them a chance to do after the lockout.
I don’t buy the NFL as struggling, they still make billions of more dollars than anyone else. The lockout won’t be good, but I don’t think it hurts them much long term. Fans will be back the second the doors open. The NBA is in much more trouble. I don’t follow much but from what I’ve gathered there are lots of owners that aren’t even close to being able to afford the contracts and expenses they need to shell out.
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And that’s the thing about “struggling.” The NHL right now is “struggling” with headshots, ownership situations in a couple of cities, and very little else. I’d argue that the NFL is “struggling” with far more, even if they can mint their own money.
It’s such a weaselly little word, “struggling.”
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by Gould Old Days on Mar 27, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s a good point. Between the economy and the escalator clause it makes sense that his contract will get less burdensome. I still look around and see equally or more capable D making less money. If injuries keep 4 in the lineup regularly, then that’s a decent deal. But 1+ for a 7D is tough to take.
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Fantastic is not a strong enough word for the Mike Fornes interview. Nicely done, Caps Degenerate! Really looking forward to round 2.
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by Gould Old Days on Mar 27, 2011 10:54 AM EDT reply actions
Seconded.
No offense to any of the other radio and TV folks who have worked Caps games over the years, but Mike Fornes is still the Caps announcing gold standard in my mind.
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playoff match-ups! And Pittsburgh has also clinched a playoff spot, so now we’re up to 4 teams that are in.
EAST
Philadelphia vs. Buffalo
Washington vs. NY Rangers
Boston vs. Montreal
Pittsburgh vs. Tampa
WEST
Vancouver vs. Chicago
Detroit vs. Anaheim
San Jose vs. Nashville
Phoenix vs. Los Angeles
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I have a feeling that come season’s end, every one of the east matchups will be different except for maybe Tampa-Pittsburgh.
I hope so, because I don’t want the Caps to face the Rags, and I’m tired of posting the same match ups every day.
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The Rangers do have that aura of “spoiler” about them. So let them move on up.
(Must admit though I like how the Caps have an aura of adaptability about them).
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by capsyoungguns on Mar 27, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Sort of how the Habs were last year, the team that was devastated by injuries early, then picked up steam at the end when they got their guys back.
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by Flash in the Pan on Mar 27, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Boston vs. Montreal? That’d be an interesting series to watch to see how they treat each other in light of the Pacio/Chara incident.
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by RedskinFan4Life on Mar 27, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I think that whole angle on that potential playoff series has been embellished.
/Recchi
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by Gould Old Days on Mar 27, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Vancouver vs. Chicago?
Please happen.
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by Steck It Out on Mar 27, 2011 11:32 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Seconded. That would be one of the best first round series’ in recent memory.
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by Flash in the Pan on Mar 27, 2011 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Not sure if Chicago makes the playoffs. The Hawks (8 games to play) have a 2-point lead on Dallas (8 games to play) and a 3-point lead on the Flames (6 games to play).
This is how Chicago’s schedule finishes. Not a lot of gimme points:
@Detroit
@Boston
@Columbus
Tampa Bay
@Montreal
St. Louis
@Detroit
Detroit
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How about the other schedules though? CGY is really in trouble with giving up games in hand to the teams they need to catch.
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Dallas finishes with a slightly easier schedule, though 3/4 of it is on the road. Could come down to the wire:
@PHX
@SJ
@LA
@ANA
CBJ
COL
@COL
@MINN
ESPN’s standings were wrong, Calgary only has five games left after losing six of its last eight. They probably have to run the table to get in the mix:
ANA
@STL
@COL
EDM
@VAN
"You do that you go to the box, you know. Two minutes by yourself and you feel shame, you know. And then you get free."
I thought CGY was down to 5 but wasn’t confident enough to call you on it and didn’t feel like looking. With that disadvantage I just don’t see it happening.
I think the next 4 are going to determine what Dallas does. If they can get through that road gauntlet then they have a great chance to take 6 or 7 points in the last 4 games. But for that to matter they probably need to take 5+ points in the 4 road games. That’s gonna be tough.
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I’d love those west match ups to come true.
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Me too. I’d become almost as big a Preds fan as Burton.
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Does anyone remember Brooks Laich being asked to play third line center in any previous season?
I remember him filling in at times as a second line center, and not doing very well there. But he seems to be playing well as a third line center this year, and I don’t remember him previously playing at that position.
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by Gould Old Days on Mar 27, 2011 11:16 AM EDT reply actions
I agree. He may have had a short look there before, but I always remember him playing 2C. He looks much less out of place on a 3rd line.
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Hell, I’m willing to call him a net positive there — and call it maybe a better fit for him than 2L. But then, I’ve long felt that a Caps team with Brooks Laich somewhere on the 3rd line is a Caps team with as much scoring talent as anyone else — and given his defensive development this year, it would be a Caps team with one of those true shutdown-plus-offense third lines that are so damned dangerous, especially in the playoffs.
With Arnott centering Semin, I’d love to see Laich and Johansson together on the third line. Which probably means promoting Marco Sturm to the 2nd line. That guy’s always been a 20 goal scorer when healthy, and it’d be sweet to see him regain that form this offseason.
Ovechkin-Backstrom-Knuble
Sturm-Arnott-Semin
Laich-Johansson-Fehr
4th line
Now, that’s a pretty nice set of lines. And with Laich on his wing, Johansson can afford to cheat on every damned faceoff. If you pair Laich with Johansson, then the only two acceptable results of a faceoff for Mackan are that he wins it, or that he gets thrown out of the circle. If he loses one, well, that just means he should have cheated more.
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by Gould Old Days on Mar 27, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Completely agree with all of this. I’m not confident that Sturm is going to find that touch this season, I think he needs at least an off-season. But I’m completely on board with the discussion of the third line and the implications for Mackan in the dot.
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Just as impressive is that the combination of 25, 26, 10 and 15 should give us a pretty darn solid fourth line.
"You do that you go to the box, you know. Two minutes by yourself and you feel shame, you know. And then you get free."
Right. 15 has the inside track to be the C, but it’s nice to know that Hendricks can play C if the need arises. There’s also Beagle lurking in the depths to fill in for fourth line minutes.
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Wow, I totally forgot about Beagle. Even better.
If BB finds the right combination with that group I could definitely see them coming up with a crucial goal or two during the playoffs.
"You do that you go to the box, you know. Two minutes by yourself and you feel shame, you know. And then you get free."
That’s going to be a fast, physical line to play against. Just as Laich is an elite 3rd liner, Chimera would be an elite 4th liner.
by Kolzilla on Mar 27, 2011 6:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Agreed. His speed should allow someone who knows how to shoot the puck the opportunity to score.
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That’s the exact same set of lines I posted as a possibility yesterday – except I had Fehr/Knuble listed on both 1st and 3rd. Good to know others agree on that.
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And I’d love to see this third line get more TOI than this second line.
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by Gould Old Days on Mar 27, 2011 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions
These lines are awesome. I’d personally prefer switching Laich and Sturm. Laich-Arnott-Semin would be a fearsome second line, and we’ve already seen when Sturm and Johansson were together they caused lots of problems with their combined speed. That and rotating the 4th line so they can bring full energy every night would be very good for a deep run into the playoffs. Here’s hoping…
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No surprise here.
jwaltonhockey Braden Holtby has been assigned back to Hershey, and could start tonight vs. WBS.
And tonight is 5:00.
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I hope so. I’m going to that game, and I would love to see Holtby live again!
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Reading the press release, and I can’t believe that even with the two clunkers from last weekend he still has a GAA of 2.14 and a sv % of .923 in Hershey.
He’s pretty good, eh?
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As RAHJC put it…
Is #Holtby good at not letting goals in?
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I think we have to assume that he isn’t, because most guys aren’t. Then we can assume he’s getting lots of luck, because his numbers aren’t reliable. I’m going to say he’s probably not good at not letting goals in. Most likely legitimately below average.
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by Rob Parker on Mar 27, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Big game today. WBS has had Hershey’s number all season (except for the 1-0 Bears win at their own Winter Classic in Pittsburgh). But with so many of their players up with the Pens now, plus Holtby being back, here’s hoping you get to see a win.
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Pretty sure WBS won’t have their #1 doalie Thiessen today, I think his still up with the big club.
Thiessen was the biggest part of the Bears’ problems this year. He’s a darn good goaltender.
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And WBS is an AHL team that’s too good for the AHL, as well! Hershey needs an NHL caliber goalie to stop that team.
On Thiessen, what’s Pittsburgh going to do? Are they still going to keep Johnson long term or will Thiessen be the backup for MAF next year?
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Hey, what’s the best way to follow today’s Hershey/WBS game for those of us who haven’t been following the AHL this year? Online radio? Online video feed?
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by Gould Old Days on Mar 27, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
The Bears have a direct link to the radio broadcast. I have no idea if there are “unofficial” feeds of video.
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Half hour before game time, they’ll post “Watch Here” and “Listen Here” links in the upper right corner. The “Watch Here” is for the official AHL video, which costs $$, “Listen Here” is free audio.
Last year, there use to be P2P feeds of the AHL games, but I haven’t seen any this year for the Bears games. And NHL Network only shows Canadian AHL games on their Sunday shows.
If you’re not at a computer, the Bears have a great App now, that includes a direct link to current game audio.
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Love listening to John Walton calling a game. Today I look forward to his “good morning, good afternoon and good night Wilkes-Barre.” Think the Bears have a statement game in them today.
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I wouldn’t mind the Caps promoting their broadcast team from within the same way they promoted the coaches…
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by Rob Parker on Mar 27, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
How much does one game cost?
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by Gould Old Days on Mar 27, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Awesome! My wife is going out with friends tonight — looks like I just figured out what I’m doing
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by Gould Old Days on Mar 27, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice that you can buy a game at a time if you want. Wish Gamecenter would do that. Would have gladly bought a game while out of town, although given that was during the losing streak, I’m happy to have saved the money.
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I just ordered the game. Am stoked. I’ll be on the hockey OT
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by Gould Old Days on Mar 27, 2011 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions
The reason NHLN shows only Canadian AHL games is because they’re CBC broadcasts.
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Do you know if the AHL video feed has Walton doing the call? Or is it just the scoreboard feed?
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If that’s not a clear sign to the pro-Holtby contingent that 2011 is Holtby’s Calder Cup run, not Stanley Cup run, I’m not sure what is.
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I’m definitely in a pro-Holtby contingent, but long-term. Not that don’t think he could carry the team in the playoffs, but it should wait. But every time he posts another great game, I start second-guessing myself.
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I am firmly ensconced in the Holtby camp.
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by TheFuryUnleashed on Mar 27, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Me, too! (Of course, it’s hard to decide on getting a Holtby jersey. The question remains: when will he stick with the team permanently and, if he does, will he stick with #70 — or might he change it to #45 as people have suggested?)
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He’s mentioned that he might change his number but I don’t remember him saying to what. Why #45?
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by capsyoungguns on Mar 27, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Read the comments, my friend.
"I remembered when he said that and I kind of looked at him during the warm up and told myself that I got to shut these guys out tonight." - Michal Neuvirth, 02.06.11.
Duh—like that Maltby reference I also missed. Woosh.
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by capsyoungguns on Mar 27, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m having the same problem. I’m waiting to see if they put him on the roster and let Varly go, because it looks like 1 has been his number in the past and without Varly here I think he might take that.
by HockeyDragon on Mar 27, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
So gang, it’s officially back to backs for Holtby, for different teams in different cities!
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Giving even more meaning to back to backs. Different cities for different teams and playing in different countries.
Opponent #1 — a playoff caliber team severely decimated by injuries
Opponent #2 — an AHL team who’s of NHL caliber
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FYI, curb-stomping (aside from being a hugely cringe-inducing idea to start with) is apparently (according to a few online resources – and we all know the Internet NEVER lies) a largely skin-head and WWII Nazi tactic. Just a thought…
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by Chris meet Alex on Mar 27, 2011 11:49 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Yeah, I have to admit I winced when I read that. I watched video of a real curb-stomping earlier this year, and I can’t get it out of my head. Chalk that one up as a term that gets overused — a real curb-stomping is truly horrible.
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by Gould Old Days on Mar 27, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Why did you watch a video of a real curb stomping? Wasn’t American History X enough for you?
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Thinking about it makes me shudder. Terrible.
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just read the habseyesontheprize recap...
Anyone know why they call him Braden Maltby?
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That was my first thought
But why? Just to try to insult him? does he have some dark hisory?
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Because it sounds Holt and Colt rhymes.
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Guess they don’t respect him enough to get his name right.
In any case, Maltby was the last name of a character in a John Steinbeck short story that was published with his novella, “The Red Pony”. There was also once a player on the Detroit Red Wings named Maltby,
(Or is someone thinking of Colt .45 Malt liquor?)
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The reference eluded me. I thought it was mistake.
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by capsyoungguns on Mar 27, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Two things from game last night:
1) That is the #19 that is a top 5 center in this league.
2) Yes, we are missing Arnott, 8 and 52, but the PP has been dismal for four months now – atrocious. The third one in the first period – not only no shots, but they couldn’t even get it into the zone.
I can resist anything, except temptation.
That’s why we want Arnott back — so he can whip the PP into shape.
The PP has been dismal for more than 4 months. More like the last 11 months starting with last year’s playoffs.
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I was being nice - I think I remember reading a Peerless article where he pointed out that the PP started to falter about a month before the playoffs.
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Pretty much assumed that the heated nature of the St. Petersburg/Carolina exhibition game last year was the reason for no game in Russia, and Daly pretty much confirms it. What I don’t understand is why don’t the Rangers/Caps just play each other? With all the Russians on both teams, seems it could still be quite a good show for the locals.
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Reading between the lines, my impression is that the NHL offered this as a possibility, but the KHL insisted on having NHL/KHL matchups. I also get the impression that the KHL would not give assurances that there would be no further shitstorm like TBL v. SP
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by Gould Old Days on Mar 27, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I could see them wanting to showcase their own league over the competition just showcasing their own product. Just think it’s a shame to deny the locals their chance to see Alex in action (you know he’s going to be pumped up for it).
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I don’t think you have to read between the lines. I think Hot Stove on HNIC straight out said the KHL refused to do it if they weren’t going to get an NHL/KHL match up.
Fuck the KHL. I’m personally very happy that we aren’t going over there. It’s a no-win situation for the NHL.
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by Rob Parker on Mar 27, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Sounds like Medvedev entered the negotiations with the attitude that the NHL owed the KHL something.
Almost like that guy is used to getting whatever he wants. I wonder why that might be…
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by Gould Old Days on Mar 27, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Ha. Yeah for sure. He’s overplaying his hand without a doubt. Short of pulling out of Sochi I don’t think the NHL could really hurt themselves by ignoring Russia.
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And as usual, he faces no consequences for it. I mean, it’s not like he can lose his job.
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by Gould Old Days on Mar 27, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Question...
“Keith Aucoin… [is] now only 12 points away from surpassing Bruce Boudreau on the list of all-time scorers” with his 700th and 701st points? That’s not what the AHL Fall of Fame has:
http://ahlhalloffame.com/points-p139032
AHL HOF lists Boudreau as 11th with 799 career points [316G, 483A]…
Where did you get the numbers you used?
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Boom, roasted.
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by jaytown99 on Mar 27, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Not at all; just wondering… math fail is one of my things I’m good at…
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Speaking of player lobbies, I wandered into the store while I was Kettler yesterday. They have a shelf in the shersey section for Hendricks, but it was completely empty. Also, they’ve added jerseys and sherseys for Arnott. Interesting. I would not invest money in gear for a rental, no matter how much I like him. Unless you’re interested in a collector’s item.
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Eh, let people spend money on what they want.
But yeah, Hendricks is hot right now!
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That top sentence is one deep thought, O.
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I assume you misspelled Play Dough.
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by Rob Parker on Mar 27, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Word to the wise: Don’t eat that stuff. Tastes awful.
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And the bottom sentence seems to beg for one of many images that seem to keep cropping up in these threads
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by Gould Old Days on Mar 27, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’d consider a Hendricks jersey. Even if he’s only here a couple of years, that’s a name I’d be proud to rep for a long time.
Heck yes. I love my Hendrick’s jersey.
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Well, a Hendy or Arnott shirt will only set you back $27 or so. And some people go beyond buying jerseys to wear them to games or what not; they collect jerseys of players they admire, and if that’s what you like doing, I see nothing wrong with having an Arnott jersey even if he’s only here the rest of the season.
I’m on the same boat as you. Arnott is awesome, but I’d buy a Hendy jersey because at least I know he’s here the next few years. I can’t bring myself to spend $100+ until I know the player will stick around for some time.
by redpezrocket on Mar 27, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
And I’m sure lots of people got Fedorov shirts right after he got here.
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Hey, I was stating my personal feelings. I’m not made of money, so I want to know the guy is here at least a couple of seasons. I’m toying with the idea of getting a Hendricks jersey, but I don’t really need a second one. Yeah, like half the fanbase I have an Ovechkin, but in my defense, I’ve had it a few years already, and while I was contemplating a couple of different players, I got talked back into it. Also, it was on sale at the time.
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I wasn’t knocking your feelings, just saying that some people are more impulsive. I’m personally in your camp. I have an AO that was a gift the first year the new jerseys came out (with no letter on the chest so you know it’s old!). I have a home/away Team USA WJC jersey (gifts) that are going to get personalized (Carlson and Fowler), and then a red NNOB that I may or may not personalize. I’m not a huge jersey collector. I think every jersey I own is a gift at this point.
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I understand questioning people spending money on an Arnott jersey – would never, ever do that for a rental unless I miraculously came into some money and the guy was a first ballot HOFer.
But a t-shirt I’m happy to spend $ on, if it’s a player I like. Just got my Arnott shirt last week.
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Yup, pretty much. Not many guys I’d shell out cash for if they’re only a Cap for 2-3 months. The closest I’ve come to a “short-term” jersey is Knuble, but I love Knuble and he’s been here long enough to justify it in my opinion.
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What about the case of someone like Lidstrom coming to the Caps as a rental or one year player? Sure he’s not here for a long time, but it’s Nick Fucking Lidstrom.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Mar 27, 2011 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Unfortunately this doesn’t apply to Leonhardt, but I saw a bunch of Flash jerseys on clearance after he was traded. If you were a big Flash fan and the only reason why you didn’t have the jersey was because of the cost, I don’t see the problem with buying one on clearance. People wear jerseys from former players all the time.
by redpezrocket on Mar 27, 2011 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
If a Cap ever scores a GWG to win the Cup, I will buy their jersey. Even if it is Sloan.
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where can you get T-shirts made like this? My wife wants a “varly” shirt for our little guy.
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Kettler sells the player shirts in youth sizes too. There is definitely a Varly one. I don’t know where you can get them online though..maybe the NHL store.
by redpezrocket on Mar 27, 2011 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I don’t really need a second one either. I know a lot of people have Nicky jerseys but that doesn’t bother me at all. He’s my favorite player. It would have been a waste of money to spend so much money and not get what I wanted.
by redpezrocket on Mar 27, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I have a thing for Swedes too. I got a Nicky jersey too and I really want a Mackan one but am resisting.
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by capsyoungguns on Mar 27, 2011 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I was thinking I would have to do a Winter Classic jersey to really justify getting a second jersey. But at the same time, do I have the guts to wear a Winter Classic jersey to a game? I don’t think there’s anything wrong with it, but it does break up the “sea of red” thing that we’re trying to go for (thanks Brodeur!).
by redpezrocket on Mar 27, 2011 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I did get a winter classic and you’re right I always struggle when to wear it (outside of the actual game itself). So I usually settle for Nicky. My poor no. 40 just hasn’t gotten enough use this season.
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by capsyoungguns on Mar 27, 2011 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I just browsed NHL shop and not only does the NHL not offer Winter Classic jerseys in womens sizes, the only youth size is a pre-customized Ovi one. Guess that idea is out.
by redpezrocket on Mar 27, 2011 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I wear the men’s small. It’s quite roomy on me but comfortable. I like to layer.
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by capsyoungguns on Mar 27, 2011 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ve worn white USA, blue USA, and I think my white Ovechkin to VC for Caps games. I know D’oh has worn a white Ovechkin a few times. Don’t worry about the sea of red. Wear what you want to represent.
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Indeed there is more than enough red.
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by capsyoungguns on Mar 27, 2011 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions
A lot of my coworkers have similar “sea of red” stories. They happen to get on the metro and start seeing a trickle of red jerseys and then before they know it, half the train is full of jerseys heading to Chinatown. Or they are on their way home and it’s after a game, and they’re surrounded by red jerseys. It gets a little surreal.
by redpezrocket on Mar 27, 2011 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
you’re damn right I got a Feds t. Never thought I’d see the day that Sergei goddamn Fedorov was a Capital.
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by Backeez Got Back on Mar 27, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
+/- Question
So if you make a pass that say, starts a breakout, and then head to the bench, and a goal is scored by the player you passed it to while you are on the bench, you notch an assist but this event is not reflected in your +/-, correct?
by Rainbow, Kitty, Beer on Mar 27, 2011 1:35 PM EDT reply actions
I think this happened to Carlson three games ago
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Vogel seems to make a point of it every time it happens. If you go through his game recaps, you’ll see that it happens to somebody (usually a defenseman who makes a breakout pass and then goes to the bench) several times a season. I remember Schultzie got a an assist early in the season on a particularly nice breakout pass, and was on the bench when the puck hit the twine
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by Gould Old Days on Mar 27, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
There was a player this year who dumped in a pass and went to the bench, only to have the puck take a weird bounce off the wall, catch the goalie by surprise, and go in the net. I believe he was credited with the goal but not the +.
Can’t remember the team or player, but remember it happening this year.
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by Rainbow, Kitty, Beer on Mar 27, 2011 1:47 PM EDT reply actions
It’s not worth setting up an OT thread for this yet, but why is it whenever I see a PIT game, it’s always the Penguins feed? Damn Yahoo!Sports.
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Confidence-inspiring
The Caps are not the only team to go on a winning streak/hot streak of late. The most noteworthy examples are the Boston Bruins and the Chicago Blackhawks.
But look at how the Caps have fared in the aftermath of their hottest hockey. The Bruins and Blackhawks have cooled down significantly, it seems, while the Caps are still playing strong. Perhaps it’s too early to tell, but it seems as if the Caps have genuinely turned it on, as opposed to temporarily going to afterburners
Definitely too soon to tell, but even if we say that they really have turned it on, it won’t matter unless they keep it turned on. Hot play (or cold play) late in the regular season isn’t a good predictor of playoff performance. Qualitatively, I like that the Caps are playing their best hockey of the year; this is the first time I’ve thought they could win the East (meaning since about the trade deadline). If they can get and stay healthy I like their chances as much as anyone else in the East’s.
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Habs fan here, your guys played great last night, not that our guys put up much of a fight. Out of curiosity, has there been an explanation from the league on why that high stick on Hendricks wasn’t called the other day? That was one of the dumbest sequences I’ve ever seen.
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by Andrew Berkshire on Mar 27, 2011 3:06 PM EDT reply actions
I believe the word was that after the discussion the refs determined that Hendricks’ face was cut by a skate. I still haven’t seen the play, just all the reactions that called that ruling idiotic.
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Here’s the play, if you want a reference:
http://www.kuklaskorner.com/index.php/hockey/comments/vdeo-_i_see_a_high_stick_here_do_you/
No question, terrible call.
Yeah, brutal. Not sure how on earth that could have been a skate. Great call, refs.
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from the other side of the rink it could have looked like it…kind of like the Schultz non-slash call vs the Pens. Since there was a close ref making the call, It’s redonkulous that 3 guys farther from the play would try to override him.
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I know this is a dead horse, but I don’t see how these guys can make any of these calls unless they actually see what happened. I’d like to think that’s the standard for calling a penalty in the first place and certainly for overruling the call made by another official. Obviously, that did not happen here. Even if you’re on the other end of the rink and perspective makes it look like the Sens’ player’s leg is by Hendricks’ head, the wrong side of his face was cut from the skate. That call and the Bradley boarding were some of the worst ones I’ve seen.
by grapejoos on Mar 27, 2011 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
What I’m guessing happened is they saw from across the rink hendricks go down as the guys skate came up. They asked the guy that called the penalty: are you SURE you saw what you saw, cause it could have been the skate. The ref making that call wasn’t in a perfect position to see how far away the skate was from his face either.
the calling ref says: “Well…” and the Auger says: Sacrebleu, outrepasser!
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Yeah. But that’s crap. Because obviously the guy questioning the original call wasn’t sure either! If neither of you are sure go with the original call, the one that was more common sense anyway. You see more cuts from high sticks than skates in the game and there was OBVIOUSLY a high stick there. Ridiculously incompetent. And I liked Sutherland in 24/7…
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I agree, but one thing I’ve learned from reffing (I do stroke and turn judging for swimming and ref youth rugby): if you’re not sure of a call, don’t make the call. The worst thing about the sequence, aside from the obvious blowing of the call, is how willing the other officials were to throw the call maker under the bus. You gotta stand up for your team, if he makes a call stand by it, unapologetically.
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Seriously. On a number of occasions, I’ve seen my partner make a bad call, and when a skater comes over and asks me about it, I’ll always say something like “I didn’t have a great view, but it looked like his stick came up from here” or “I’m 70 feet away, but I had a hook back here.”
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by iwearstripes on Mar 28, 2011 1:33 AM EDT up reply actions
surprised there wasn’t a hailstorm of F-bombs from BB there…..looked pretty calm (by BB standards)
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by RedskinFan4Life on Mar 27, 2011 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I think he was conscious of how much that particular game mattered, in the grand scheme
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by Gould Old Days on Mar 27, 2011 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions
if the game mattered that much, wouldn’t he be fighting for the 4 min power play? or are you trying to say it didn’t matter much?
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by RedskinFan4Life on Mar 27, 2011 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions
It didn’t matter much. Team that had clinched the playoffs earlier that week and that had all but clinched its division and the #2 slot in the conference against the worst team in the conference. And the better team was missing many of its best players? Yeah, I’m willing to say the Ottawa game wasn’t very important.
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by Gould Old Days on Mar 27, 2011 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Sometimes the officiating in this league is just baffling. I can’t even begin to understand the stupidity that goes on.
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by Andrew Berkshire on Mar 28, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
A close study of the box score provides all the explanation from the league you’ll ever get:
Attendance 18,329
Referees Stephane Auger, Kelly Sutherland
Linesmen Steve Miller, Michel Cormier
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by Gould Old Days on Mar 27, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Good point.
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by Andrew Berkshire on Mar 28, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Aaaaaand for the third straight game the Pens can’t score more than one goal but are going to get at least one point.
"You do that you go to the box, you know. Two minutes by yourself and you feel shame, you know. And then you get free."
And to the shootout again. Guarantee the Pens win.
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5-5 in OT. 9-3 in SO. I don’t mind it at all. At some point they’ll have to score some goals when the D is actually on the ice.
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It’s simply so ridiculous. Sure, they’ll lose any tiebreaker if it gets to that, but it’s so annoying.
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Agreed. Winning should be more than a shootout. We know they have good shooters. Prove that you can use them as part of a team and not individual efforts. Now, THAT would be a challenge…
And ultimately that’s what they have to do. They may get seeding on the SO wins, but they won’t get a Cup on it. If they win 4 playoff rounds (or lose the first round, or whatever) the SO will be irrelevant. All that matters is what you do once you get there.
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Actually, if you go back to the old system by removing 1 point for each SO win and OT loss, the seeding in the east stays exactly the same, though it gets a good bit tighter. In fact, the only changes in the east are that the Thrashers and Devils as well as the Islanders and Senators switch places.
In the west though, it completely shuffles seeds 4-8, but doesn’t change who makes the playoffs. For those who are interested, here’s how it changes, with the current seeding in parentheses:
1. Canucks (Canucks)
2. Red Wings (Red Wings)
3. Sharks (Sharks)
4. Ducks (Coyotes)
5. Coyotes (Kings)
6. Blackhawks (Predators)
7. Predators (Ducks)
8. Kings (Blackhawks
So now I have an out of date handle tog go along with my half dozen out of date jerseys from various other sports. How long before it becomes retro?
by Flash in the Pan on Mar 27, 2011 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don’t care about the tie breaker. It’s not going to matter to us, so whatever. I would love to see the 3-2-1-0 format, and 10 minutes of OT before a 5 shooter/team shoot out, but it is what it is.
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is that something the managers are planning on reevaluating? i heard rumors, but then lost track of whether or not they were going to consider it…
Everything I’ve heard said they don’t want to do that. Basically they think hockey fans are too stupid to follow it. I assume they mean American hockey fans.
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Maybe instead of a shoot out they do a two on one drill — two guys on the ice for every team and they trade off oddman rushes to determine the winner?
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by snowburnt on Mar 27, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That gets messy, quickly. I like the idea, but what kind of rules would you put in place? I’d say there should basically be the same rules as the SO with a couple modifications. You need to allow the puck to move backwards on a back-pass, but you shouldn’t allow a skater to stop and pull up. Once the puck passes the goal line it should be over. I might also consider a time limit. You’d also have to figure out where you start all the players. Kudos for thinking out of the box, though.
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The 3-2-1-0 format actually doesn’t change much in the East. The Habs jump over the Lightning into 5th, with the Bolts then tied with the Rags in points but with that one game in hand. I’ll check out what it does to the west after dinner.
So now I have an out of date handle tog go along with my half dozen out of date jerseys from various other sports. How long before it becomes retro?
by Flash in the Pan on Mar 27, 2011 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Thing don’t change too much in the west either. San Jose passes Detroit and Chicago passes Anaheim.
Also blows all the points records out of the water. Right now, Vancouver would be sitting at 152 points with the 3-2-1-0, Philly at 139, and us and San Jose tied for 3rd in the league with 131 points. In fact, more than half the league would have more points than Vancouver does right now with the current system.
So now I have an out of date handle tog go along with my half dozen out of date jerseys from various other sports. How long before it becomes retro?
by Flash in the Pan on Mar 27, 2011 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Your guarantee was, unfortunately, correct. Once again, Grr! (In any case, I will be rooting VERY hard for the Pens First Round playoff opponent, regardless of who it turns out to be.)
It is so annoying that they keep winning all those shootouts.
Rocking the Red for teams on the banks of the Potomac and at the Gateway Arch and Singing the Blues about Hockey.
For some reason Vokoun doesn’t come out for OT
"You do that you go to the box, you know. Two minutes by yourself and you feel shame, you know. And then you get free."
New post on Puck Daddy (Stat Nerd Sunday) that pretty much debunks Bylsma’s claim from 24/7.
"I remembered when he said that and I kind of looked at him during the warm up and told myself that I got to shut these guys out tonight." - Michal Neuvirth, 02.06.11.
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Ken Krzywicki demonstrated that in 2009-10 shooting percentage for shots off rebounds was 32.8%, orders of magnitude higher than the overall 8.9% shooting percentage for all shots.
“I do not think that term means what you think it means”
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by Gould Old Days on Mar 27, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s roughly three orders of magnitude, if you’re talking base two. Don’t worry; base two is just like base ten – if you’ve only got thumbs.
It’s so simple! So very simple!
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by Gould Old Days on Mar 28, 2011 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Interesting stuff, but I’m skeptical about the upshot. He talks about Boucher being better at preventing rebound goals than Luongo, but I don’t think that’s necessarily the conclusion. Boucher’s rebound GAA % could be watered down because he’s just not as good as making the first save. Really good goalies are going to be tough to beat on the first save, so you almost have to beat them with a rebound. You could have a high rebound GAA because either a) you are bad at controlling rebounds (which seems to be what he’s saying), or b) you are really good at stopping the first shot so that only rebound shots have a chance beating you.
He also alludes to the fact that team D has a lot to do with it, but that doesn’t change the upshot in terms of how a team would attack. Whether it’s the D or G that makes rebound goals more common, if that’s the case you want to crash the net. I think the solid PHI D is a big part of the reason Boucher looks so good in the rebound department.
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Really good goalies are going to be tough to beat on the first save, so you almost have to beat them with a rebound.
Nice point. It’s almost like the fast-middle-infielder problem. Since he’s fast, he gets to more balls, but he might flub more of them and end the season with more errors. So RGAs in hockey, like errors in baseball, are not necessarily a reliable way to measure defense.
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by Gould Old Days on Mar 27, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Or like certain mortality rates in developed countries like the US. We make more people survive immediate catastrophic trauma and/or attempt a lot more risky procedures that just aren’t an option in other nations, so in certain metrics it looks like our operations/medical care is less successful.
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This is a really nice article. Let me start by saying I like it a lot, before I proceed to pick it apart.
My biggest problem with the article (other than the one pointed out by my buddy Inigo) is that it lays all of this on the goalies. But Rebound-Goals-Against (RGAs) are clearly affected by defense, too. Michal Neuvirth is one of the league leaders in preventing RGAs, but I bet he wouldn’t have been last year. You think Carlson, Alzner, and Hannan haven’t made a difference in clearing out rebounds in front of the net?
One thing I agree with wholeheartedly is that it’d be nice for the NHL to track rebounds. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I think a shot on goal can result in only four possible outcomes: (1) goal, (2) save – goalie freezes puck, (3) save – goalie gloves puck but play continues after he drops it off to a teammate, or (4) rebound. The league currently tracks events 1 and 2, but as far as I know does not distinguish between 3 and 4. So it might not be all that difficult to institute that. And it’d be really useful information.
This article pushed things forward, as far as I’m concerned. I feel like I know more about hockey for reading it.
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by Gould Old Days on Mar 27, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d try to put harmless rebounds into the 3 category, not the 4. If the goalie kicks the puck out of play or harmlessly to the corner, that’s technically a rebound, but not one that is dangerous to the team. I’d try to separate rebounds to the slot from those to the corner.
I agree with the D impact on RGAs, but I think in terms of his overall point it doesn’t really matter. He’s saying if you play Boston you need to crash the net, if you play LAK that won’t work. Regardless of whether that’s on the goalie or the D, that conclusion still stands, I think. But in terms of using this analysis to specifically evaluate goalies, I think you’re spot on.
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I don’t want to inject any subjectivity on which rebounds are harmless and which ones aren’t.
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by Gould Old Days on Mar 27, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I appreciate the concern, but I’m not willing to treat all rebounds as equal. Goalies aren’t taught to cover the puck every shot. They are specifically taught to give up rebounds, they are just taught to put them in the corner or out of play or somewhere else where they can’t hurt you. The salient factor to evaluate is which goalies have better rebound control, but you’re right that the line drawing is incredibly difficult (as it is with shot quality, which is why we don’t have any sort of acceptable/reliable way of measuring and evaluating shot quality).
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It’s not a question of treating all rebounds as equal — it’s a question of trusting the scorers.
In my ideal world, you score for goals the goalie should have stopped, and goals that everyone lets in. Like a scout would. But I don’t see that kind data ever becoming available to us peons.
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by Gould Old Days on Mar 27, 2011 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Right, and shot distance data is neither reliably measured nor fungible across shots. Which is why I’ve developed a bit of a reputation for pushing back against some of the more ambitious statistical evaluations.
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Yup. And given the limits, I think it’d be nice just to have straight rebound data, and pretty easy for the NHL to do.
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by Gould Old Days on Mar 27, 2011 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions
So then how would you address the distortion? I guess you could operate under the assumption that a goalie with more rebound goals against (in total, not percentage) does a poorer job of controlling his rebounds. Amend the model as the data becomes available. The problem is getting certain people to accept the limits of the model and thus hedge or limit their conclusions as appropriate.
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All else equal, I’d rather have a goalie who gloves more shots than one who gives up more rebounds, harmless or no. So I think it’s useful information.
It’s also useful for the team. I think defenses can affect how many rebounds a goalie gives up. And it would provide the denominator for rebound-goals-allowed-divided-by-rebounds, which is interesting stuff.
So sure, there might be goalies who give up more dangerous rebounds versus harmless rebounds, and vice versa. But that’s hard to measure, so I wouldn’t try, and I’d just focus on rebounds as a whole
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by Gould Old Days on Mar 27, 2011 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions
As long as you treat all rebounds as equal I’m going to have a hard time accepting that number as a G specific stat. It’ll be very useful, but as a team stat. I think if you’re tracking rebounds you may as well track where they are going. Even something simple like whether it’s to the corners or the triangle in front of the net is real helpful.
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I’m thinking of it primarily as a team stat
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by Gould Old Days on Mar 27, 2011 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s what the article did.
"I remembered when he said that and I kind of looked at him during the warm up and told myself that I got to shut these guys out tonight." - Michal Neuvirth, 02.06.11.
I don’t see how that’s a flawed judgment at all then. If they are good at rebound control, rebounds won’t be turned into goals.
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Right. He’s not counting all rebounds – some of which may be good rebounds (like off to the side boards or to a d-man), just rebounds that lead to goals. And wouldn’t you consider the majority of those to be bad rebounds?
"I remembered when he said that and I kind of looked at him during the warm up and told myself that I got to shut these guys out tonight." - Michal Neuvirth, 02.06.11.
You don’t really know how bad the rebound is compared to the D. That’s the problem with not trying to distinguish rebound quality, total rebounds, all that. Looking at the percentage of goals that are on rebounds is a step in the right direction, but I don’t think it tells us as much as we’d like. Does anyone really believe that Thomas, Fleury, and Luongo are among the worst in the league at rebound control? Thomas flops, so I can see why the percentage is high, but all of those guys are also excellent on the first shot so there’s going to be some selection bias built in to this analysis. The better you are on the first shot, the worse you are going to look in this.
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Article looks at rebound goals divided by total goals.
I’d be more interested in rebound goals divided by rebounds.
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by Gould Old Days on Mar 27, 2011 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Everything is affected by everything else. It’s impossible to judge a goalie without his D and it’s almost impossible to judge a D without the goalie. It’s also impossible to judge the scoring without the D having an effect and the two-way quality of the forwards affect the D as well.
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Enjoy the Game, timmyv38!
@jwaltonhockey:
Braden Holtby draws the start against John Curry, faceoff with @wbspenguins coming up at 5:00 p.m.
"I remembered when he said that and I kind of looked at him during the warm up and told myself that I got to shut these guys out tonight." - Michal Neuvirth, 02.06.11.
We’ll see if he can stay healthy on back to backs. He seems like the most durable of all the goalies this year, but he’s even had his time on the shelf. If he shows he can be a workhorse over the next week or two, I could see him ending up in our net for the playoffs.
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You think if he shows himself to be a workhorse he’s more likely to get a playoff start with the Caps even when one of the other goalies is healthy?
by Rainbow, Kitty, Beer on Mar 27, 2011 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess it depends on how well he plays as a work horse. But yeah, I think it’ll be a consideration. You have two goalies that have been in and out of the line up. If you have a guy that you think is more reliably healthy (and playing well) then you have to look his way.
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I think it’s more likely BB goes with whoever he thinks is most likely to win the next game, unless its the second of a back-to-back, and that that will be his only consideration.
by Rainbow, Kitty, Beer on Mar 27, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Holtby was a great workhorse last year at Hershey and did well in plenty of back to backs. I don’t know how many back to back to back’s he did. (Well, the backup goaltenders and the rehabbing starters had to get some work in somehow.)
Rocking the Red for teams on the banks of the Potomac and at the Gateway Arch and Singing the Blues about Hockey.
I agree he’s been the most durable, but durability is also relative. Neuvy getting metal in his eye was just a fluke, and there’s not a huge amount you can do about illness if it’s flu season and a lt of people are sick anyway. I think Varly is certainly the most breakable by a long shot, but I also think it’s important to look at the reasons why a player has been out.
by redpezrocket on Mar 27, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Baby Pens are a good team, so I can’t really make a joke about what a dropoff that is in competition. Maybe it’s even better for him given how the dropoff last week killed him.
Don’t try to figure Sasha out. Just ride the wave.
You can make a joke. No matter how good the baby Pens are, they ain’t NHL caliber. It’s not like Holtby has only been playing the patsies for us.
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True on both accounts, although WBS is having a season comparable to Hershey’s 09-10.
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Indeed. But they don’t have as much talent that’s on it’s way to the NHL as HER had. Looks like WBS is even more heavily relying on AHL vet type guys.
And even that Hershey team would have been stomped by an NHL team.
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What’s amazing about WBS is that they’re still holding together with half their opening day roster in Pittsburgh. I exaggerate, but I’m not sure by how much.
But yeah, Holtby’s not going to have the same caliber of defense in front of him tonight.
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Holtby’s had a few bad opponents but he got the Flyers once, debuted in relief against the Bruins, came in long relief against Tampa, and got Montreal during a hot streak for them (and now a cold streak for them as well).
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Right, but even on a cold streak, MON at home on HNIC is not a patsy game.
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That’s the truth. Even on a cold streak, Montreal still counts as a playoff contender in my book. And even if someone were to disrespect Montreal from last night, as you pointed out, it’s not a patsy game for the reasons you pointed out above
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MON went to the ECF last year and by most metrics look like a better team this year.
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I did enjoy the game. Bears lost, unfortunately, but it was a great game. I was impressed with my first time watching Orlov live – he is a great skater and puckhandler, has a strong, accurate pass, and has a very heavy shot. He needs to improve in physicality though – he let a couple guys slide past him rather than crunching them into the boards. The game would have been better has the refs called the 3 uncalled boardings and 1 uncalled charge committed against the Bears though.
1 question – is Pinner always trying to start fights, or was it just this game? Guy is a world-class pest lol.
Matt Bradley: He has sensitive skin, no?
There’s one thing I forgot to mention about Orlov, who I was keeping an eye on every time he was out. He has that same effortless, gliding stride that Green has. He gets through the neutral zone in a hurry, and can cut around players incredibly quickly. He got an assist on a SH rush, when he brought the puck from the d-zone into the o-zone, and passed it to Aucoin. Aucoin’s return pass was deflected right to MP, who made a fantastic move to get around a defender and get it back to Aucoin, who was wide open right beside the crease.
Matt Bradley: He has sensitive skin, no?
high praise for Orlov!
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by Gould Old Days on Mar 27, 2011 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d say give him the rest of this season and next in Hershey, and he very well might be NHL-ready. He has most of the tools already. He needs some improvement in the mental aspect of his game, and his physical game needs to improve. It’s amazing the situations he was getting put out in – the Bears have tons of faith in him.
There was one other dman who I was impressed with, in a different way – Dylan Yeo. I could see him making it as a 7/8D. He was rarely out of position, and delivers some punishing, yet clean, hits. Reminds me somewhat of Erskine – he has limits and knows them, and doesn’t push them.
Matt Bradley: He has sensitive skin, no?
i dunno, i’m not feeling optimistic about the Bears getting the championship hat trick.
will the game be broadcast online anywhere?
Getting past Wilkes Barre will be quite an obstacle for them.
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Although if HER can get healthy that would be a big help. Aucoin and Gordon missed large chunks of the year, right? Orlov could end up being a boon for HER if he can continue to be such a nice contributor (from what I’m reading, still haven’t seen him).
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Is Orlov hurt or something?
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Nope. He even had a goal last night, I think.
by redpezrocket on Mar 27, 2011 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I got a little nervous when F&B reported not seeing Orlov. (We need our chocolate Eagle from Russia.)
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Or, if by some fluky chance, the Pittsburgh Penguins get eliminated in an early round of the playoffs, will there be more reinforcements coming in for WBS?
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Yeah there would be, I’d imagine. Haven’t looked at the clear day roster but with so many guys that spent lots of time in WBS I’m sure PIT would be sending reinforcements down. And I don’t think it would take a fluke to get PIT out of the playoffs early. If Crosby doesn’t return I’d say it’s more of a fluke for them to win the first round (though not really a long shot).
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Unfortunately, true. (And the question is …. what round might Crosby be available? I hate to see a repetition of the Flyers of last year when they had a whole mess of guys out for Round 1, including Carter and Gagne who were back for Round 2)
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Not as many as one might think; the way the CDR rules work a few guys one would expect to be on it are not due to injuries while with the parent team.
Interesting. I’m just all torn up for WBS’ sake.
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Actually, it stinks for them that they can’t the guys back; there have been some articles about it, but the way the rules impacted the injured guys and the team isn’t fair. Both players spent more than half the season in the AHL.
And believe me, I’m not a fan of any Pens team.
Senators come back from 2 goals down in the third period. They aren’t quitting on the team, but I don’t know if it’s enough to save the coach and GM.
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That’s about the worst possible outcome, every bit of the team that doesn’t sit on the bench is an issue there.
What’s the deal with Edmonton? You think they can make a push in a few years? They have a few voids to fill but the young talent they have is pretty incredible.
Many a night from yonder ivied casement, ere I went to rest,
Did I look on great Orion sloping slowly to the West.
I guess it depends on whether EDM is going to spend the money to keep what they have, and spend wisely to build around that. They have some bad contracts on there so they need to cut that out if they want to compete. But they already have a ton of young talent and are going to get another great player in this draft (assuming they don’t blow their top 3 pick).
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Lots of teams have built that way. No reason EDM shouldn’t be a playoff team in 3 years. Whether they will be is an entirely different question.
They traded Penner for some value. They could have moved Hemsky. The other guys teams would want are on horrid contracts (Gilbert, Horcoff), so I don’t know what they can do there. Probably just need to wait them out.
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Got the OT Hockey thread up and running.
http://www.japersrink.com/2011/3/27/2075480/ot-hockey-3-27-11
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I’ve spent the last 30 minutes just watching Caps playoff intro videos on YouTube. Go do it. Do a search for “Caps playoff intro video” and watch a few. Tell me you’re not getting pumped.
Boooooo…I liked this week’s, you hush.
Sunrise, sunset, swiftly fly the years. One season following another, laden with happiness and tears.
Only problem I have with Red Line is it’s about 13 minutes of stuff spread out over 30 minutes. Sometimes I’ll set the channel and turn it on half way through and roll the DVR back.
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Oh, I always watch it on DVR – mostly because I don’t generally wake up by 9 on Saturdays (not a morning person :P) but partly because the best way to watch is to fast forward through the commercials and filler crap.
Sunrise, sunset, swiftly fly the years. One season following another, laden with happiness and tears.
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