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Monday Caps Clips: Post‑Mortems Continue

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Your savory breakfast links:

  • Historical precedence for turning what happened last week into something good. [Dump n' Chase]
  • Elliotte Friedman does his autopsy and it's as good as any you'll read from outside D.C. (and better than most you'll read from inside the Beltway). [CBC]
  • Pierre McGuire and Mike Milbury discuss why the Caps failed. There are some decent points in there, but to place the blame squarely on the defense, as Milbury does, is a bit of a head-scratcher. [PHT]
  • Puck Daddy and Steve Kouleas do the same, except it's smarter (caveat: "smarter" does not necessarily apply to anything voiced by anyone other than Wyshynski in the video). [The Score]
  • RMNB's take. [RMNB]
  • "Washington simply had the most extreme run of bad luck imaginable - shooting 1-for-88 on the PP, even if you don't screen the goalie, is extremely unlikely.  If we assume that Washington's power-play shooting percentage is merely average, the odds of doing it are about 1-in-800." ... "[T]he issue here was simply bad luck for Washington in the shooting department." If only it were that easy. [BtN and BtN]
  • Don Cherry on the Caps' net presence and some craziness. [CapsBlog]
  • The Caps continue to be compared to the early-'80s Oilers, which I suppose is good. [Matheson]
  • Some leftover media-day pics. [dfndr13 on Flickr]
  • Rink Wraps kick-off later this morning, so be sure to check back.
  • Finally, it's a big day for birthdays as we fete Rod Langway's 53rd, Jeff Halpern's 34th and Robbie Moore's 56th (two captains and a dude who played 20 minutes for the team).

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When did Langway play 20 minutes for the Caps?

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by Steckel Me Elmo on May 3, 2010 6:40 AM EDT reply actions  

His first two periods of the first game of the 1982-83 season. Then he played a several thousand more… :)

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by MikeL-Pivonka on May 3, 2010 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

But not in one game… that’d be a world record.

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by MikeL-Pivonka on May 3, 2010 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Couldn’t do that in one game?! What a bum! What good is (was) he?!

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by Steckel Me Elmo on May 3, 2010 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Elliott’s article was excellent. I thought he was spot on about Green and Ovechkin. Ovechkin needs to develop more to his game and not be so predictable. Other teams see, fans see it. It’s getting less difficult to defend him. And Green just needs to play his game, and not try to be the defender he’s not.

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by Steckel Me Elmo on May 3, 2010 6:42 AM EDT reply actions  

I agree with you and Friedman – Ovie was predictable, and Green wasn’t himself.

Solution? Ovie needs to watch some film of himself from this series back-to-back with some film of himself from two years ago. He needs to see that he’s lost a little speed and shiftiness and, as a result, defensemen no longer fear him going wide. This enables guys like Gill and Gorges to step up on him and take away that “cut to center and shoot between the legs move” that Ovie loves so much.

Green also needs to watch some film of himself from this series back-to-back with film from 06-07 and 07-08. While Ovie has lost a little speed and shiftiness, Green has lost a full step. Additionally, after the Pronger hit, he’s been reluctant to get slammed into the boards (understandable). The problem is, this means he’s losing all sorts of puck races/battles.

Both guys need to chill out and remember what got them here. Their off-season training needs to focus more on explosive speed and less on gaining mass. If anything, they both need to cut weight. Additionally, BB needs to cut both of their ice time back so that they’re more effective when they’re out there. Green going 100% for 20 minutes is much more effective than Green going 80% for 25-30 minutes. Thankfully, the emergence of Carlson and Alzner should give BB the freedom to cut Green’s ice time – it remains to be seen if he’ll actually manage it with either Green or Ovechkin though.

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by D'ohboy on May 3, 2010 7:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

I definitely agree on the ice time. Especially considering the last week of meaningless games when Ovechkin was skating 73 minutes a night and Green was on for 120 (I may have exaggerated). The Caps have a deep enough team (even on defense) to cut each player’s playing time by a couple minutes per game (with the exception of needing a goal or two in the third in close games, when the outcome matters) and not significantly hurt the team.

It’s just another questionable practice of BB’s coaching habits.

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by Steckel Me Elmo on May 3, 2010 8:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

This issue goes back to Ovie being a TEAM player and not trying to do it all himself.

What is the reason behind the mismanagement of his ice time? Is it to allow him to pursue individual goals like winning the Maurice Richard and Art Ross trophies? Is it the coach who lets this happen or is he giving in to Ovie’s wishes to prove himself the best PLAYER in the game?

Ovie has to get back to basics. Watching more film of himself when he struck fear in the opposition vs. film of him post-Olympics and especially vs the Habs, might prove to be very instructional and surprising—to him. Fans have noticed the change, but sometimes the person involved is the last to see it unless it’s shown to them. Watch, look and listen Ovie. You have lots of vacation time to grow and develop to doing better for the TEAM.

by Ovietracker on May 3, 2010 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

On the subject of Green, I know Laich got asked to play for Canada in the Worlds but what about Green? Was he asked and passed on it or did he get the ultimate of snubs and not even get invited for the B Olympics?

by b.orr4 on May 3, 2010 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

My guess is that Green lined himself up for the opportunity, but he hit something else and the opportunity went by and scored the GWG.

They're coming.

by Bald Pollack on May 3, 2010 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions   3 recs

From this article:

You knew former Oilers head coach Craig MacTavish was taking Capitals forward Brooks Laich for his world championship team when he went off, unsolicited, on a TSN broadcast about what a solid, responsible player he was.

Doesn’t immediately make one think of ol’ GreenLife, does it?

by EmilyB on May 3, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

But then again, anybody not in Steve Yzerman’s Dec position would be crazy not to take Green. He should make Canada, unless CHI loses fast.

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by red army line on May 3, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Team Canada’s roster. They look awesome in forwards, pretty good on D, but goaltending looks a little shaky.

I don’t think Green’s name came up even once, and actually maybe Sarge should have gotten a call.

by EmilyB on May 3, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Would love to be the fly on the wall for the first conversation between Laich and Downie.

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by gfcaps fan on May 3, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Brooks: “Hey there Steverino. C’n you’n Stammer show me how you run your power play? ’Cos you killed us all year with it!”

by EmilyB on May 3, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

oh wait you just stand here at the face of circle and wait for a pass? gotcha!

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by highslot84 on May 3, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Downie’s answer – “Move your skates and the puck at a rate faster than it takes paint to dry”.

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by Carl Putnam on May 3, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not quite where I was going with that….

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by gfcaps fan on May 3, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

If Burns can play, Green can play.

I waited all year for this?

by Rob Parker on May 3, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Burns won’t play, he’ll just have Smithers play for him.

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by Carl Putnam on May 3, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I disagree that AO has lost footspeed or shiftiness. He’s the same as he was, but stronger. The D just know what’s coming so it’s a lot easier to cover. It’s not like he was ever killing teams with shiftiness.

I waited all year for this?

by Rob Parker on May 3, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

And now he’s playing the body before the puck as a result. Not what I like to see.

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by red army line on May 4, 2010 5:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with Friedman on AO trying to do too much himself, which was puzzling since this season his assist numbers were way up (first time he had more assists than goals since his rookie year). So he was relying on his linemates during the regular season, but stopped once the play-offs started. Could it be possible that his knowledge of Nicky’s shoulder injury was a factor in him carrying the puck more? Have ever said when the injury occurred?

"It hit me on the pants. I had protection. It felt good. Why? I wanted to win."

by bagace on May 3, 2010 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think it was an issue of AO trying to do too much himself once the Canadiens started locking it down in the last 3 games. He had 1 goal and 3 assists in Game 2, so he was using his linemates then. But as the games got tighter he went back to rushing the D 1 on 3 instead of holding up a bit and coming into the zone with the rest of the team.

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by Killer_Carlson on May 3, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

It’s worked in the past, so you can understand the thought. I thought he tried to take too much responsibility for the loss in the exit interviews. Sure, he could have scored, but there are seventeen other skaters out there, they could have, too. He’s the star and best player, but he can’t do it all, and he has to accept that.

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by gfcaps fan on May 3, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

sounds like his shoulder subluxed. Painful. The danger with that is because it stretches all the soft tissue out, you’re at increased risk for having it happen again, which it sounds like it did, unless you let it heal (rest) and then following a rehab-and-strength program. Sounds like the team docs made the right decision.

Shame the Swedish media is ripping on those guys.

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by RedBirdie on May 3, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bäckis have said that his left shoulder got stuck in a battle with another player in game three

Lars scored three goals in Game Two and then fell strangely silent. Now we know why.

by EmilyB on May 3, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Explains a lot of things. Granted our PP was bad in Games 1 and 2, I’m sure his bum shoulder contributed to the team’s poor showing in that department in subsequent games. Along with contributing to the team’s general lack of scoring.

Don’t want to blame Nick (of course), but Nick having a bum shoulder would impair his productivity.

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by CapsFan75 on May 3, 2010 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I watched Nylander in three games with Tre Kronor this weekend. I know the team needs a second line center and if someone still thinks that he could be a temporary solution until MP or MJ can take over.
Just stop. He really really can’t.

Ice Warrior – those were your thoughts, and non Backstroms, am I correct?

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by Sombrero Guy on May 3, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, they were Ice Warrior’s thoughts. She watched Team Sweden play in a international tournament in Stockholm this week.

by EmilyB on May 3, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

 YNC is completely right that is my opinion not Bäckströms bad editing on my part sorry about that.

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by Malin A on May 3, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Though it would be pretty funny if Backis did actually say that.

by EmilyB on May 3, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

hah, I was shocked at Backi throwing Nyls under the bus, then realized it was IW’s thoughts. Thanks for clarifying gals.

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by Sombrero Guy on May 3, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

excuse me for the late post, but i was wondering if you could give a link to the swedish intervju you mentioned above please? thank you!! :D

by ciderkin77 on May 6, 2010 3:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

I found his observation that so many people seemingly so suddenly turning on Ovie hurt him much more than he has let on very interesting. Something to watch for next season, I think. Ovie deals with it a bit better (ok, a lot better) than Green, but someone who reads every negative word written about him worries me a little.

but I did a little head scratching over this:

Crosby took a boatload of criticism at the start of his career. He responded by doing whatever it took to become a winner and a more-rounded player. That’s Ovechkin’s next step.

I’m not sure how much more Ovie can do to become “more-rounded player.” His defensive play was markedly improved this season. His assists are way up. What else can he do? (besides the already-discussed "become less predictable?) And I think Crosby took a lot of criticism at the start of his career because of his at-time immature conduct on the ice, not because of his play. Crosby has improved the weaker areas of his game, such as faceoffs, but Ovie has improved, too. I think it’s a bit of a weak argument, honestly.

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by RedBirdie on May 3, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t worry about Ovie. Heck, he and Baks are the two I worry the least about going forward. He’s going to figure it out. I think the captaincy will actually help in this area.

He was the one guy who took personal accountability for the series loss. He’s maturing before our eyes. Becca talked about silver linings last week. Frankly, this may be the only one I can find. He showed that he will step up and take the bullet. Sadly, that part of the story didn’t get reported the way it should have in the hockey/sports media. Probably because it doesn’t fit the Ovie is “selfish” plot line.

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by Carl Putnam on May 3, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

you’re right. Not only his he far more well-rounded as a player than most give him credit for, he is personally accountable (heck, even for stuff I’m not entirely sure he should be shouldering the blame for, but that’s what captains do!), and is mature. Every time there’s an “incident” on the ice, he’s apologizing and taking responsibility.

Remember when Ovie was suspended the first time, and Gregory Campbell ended up taking a puck to the face? Ovie went down stairs to check on him. That doesn’t exactly scream “selfish” to me.

Ok, so I will stop worrying about Ovie and return to my regularly scheduled programming of “what the hell is wrong with Mike Green’s head?”

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by RedBirdie on May 3, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ok, so I will stop worrying about Ovie and return to my regularly scheduled programming of "what the hell is wrong with Mike Green’s head?"

Follow the yellow brick road.

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by Carl Putnam on May 3, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Are you implying something about her height?

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by STLSpidey on May 3, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

CP2 can confirm, I’m actually pretty tall! Taller than C.Bo, anyways…

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by RedBirdie on May 3, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

I didn’t imagine that you were 3 1/2 feet tall.

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by STLSpidey on May 3, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Absolutely not. She’s taller than me.

I was implying someone needs to get to the Wizard and find something he’s missing.

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by Carl Putnam on May 3, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

oh, and I read it has “He has no heart, no courage, no brain!”

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by RedBirdie on May 3, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think he’s got the first two. Sometimes I wonder about the third.

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by Carl Putnam on May 3, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

sometimes?

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by RedBirdie on May 3, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was trying to give the benefit of the doubt.

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by Carl Putnam on May 3, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

you’re so nice

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by RedBirdie on May 3, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

What does Gilbert have to do with this?

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by STLSpidey on May 3, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ha Ha. Well played.

I never think of him as a Wizard. He’ll always be a Wildcat to me.

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by Carl Putnam on May 3, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe with a gun, Green could actually stop somebody?

(sorry — there was a softball right in the strike zone waiting to be hit)

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by STLSpidey on May 3, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ovi is just fine.The media seems to forget his ppg average was much better than anyone elses.

As far as green goes,I bothers me that such a talented and gifted hockey player is just not a great defender.I have advocated it before and i will again i think its worth a try in camp and pre-season to give him some time at wing.

by RedRocka on May 3, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I beg to differ. Ovie is NOT just fine. He’s a changed player since the Olympics, especially after the Campbell hit/suspension. And not in a good way either.

For all his talents and gifts, Ovie is also sensitive to criticism, and like it or not, fairly or unfairly, the comparisons to Crosby and what he has accomplished.

If he is to get over all the bad karma and horrible results for him personally and his teams in general, Ovie has to re-gain his pre-Olympics attitude, and the way that Ovie played—sometimes reckless yes, but more carefree and less concerned about popular opinion. We all know the old saying about opinions, and what they’re like because everyone has one. Ovie, do yourself a favor and say screw the opinions of the media who are only out to crucify you. Go out and play your game your way. You were way more dangerous and less predictable then.

by Ovietracker on May 3, 2010 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I’m worried that Ovechkin could be a burnout out this next season.

Why?:
Olympic disaster, followed by playoff disaster, then flying off to the World Championships to be thrust together with yet another grouping of random players… He probably will again be given free reign to do whatever he wants with no structure, combine that with the lesson that regular season success means little in itself… With so many skilled players tied up in the NHL playoffs he probably will have some success playing that way.

I FanPosted at the end of the 08-09 regular season (very unpopularly so) and throughout this regular season – that “a win is a win” is definitely not the way for a team envisioning playoff success to burn through a regular season campaign. It was ok for the few weeks when we were trying to crawl into a playoff spot two seasons ago, but never for a full campaign for any team trying to build anything.

by Icebat on May 3, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Come to think of it, in BB’s presser after the Game 7 loss he commented that

people were complaining when we were winning.

So I’d say he does not get “it” as of April 30, 2010

by Icebat on May 3, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is Ovie a team player?

The Tracee Hamilton article within the Elliott article is even more telling for me.

Don’t get me wrong. I love Ovie to death, I still think he’s the best PLAYER in the NHL today but…there’s this one thing that bothers me.

Is he treated differently from the other players? Call me an old-fashioned throwback, but I’m NOT a fan of optional skates/practices, certainly not before a playoff game 7. Why did Ovie choose to skip this one (Semin also was a no-show), why does he often skip optional practices? How can you lead by example when you’re not in the building?

Ovie is great, and at his age still has time and room to develop as a player and a leader. I’d suggest he start with how he approaches the Captaincy of the Capitals. Whether he feels he needs the practice or not, he needs to be there to help struggling teammates. In hindsight, which is always 20/20, Ovie and Semin both could have benefited from a pre-game 7 practice.

by Ovietracker on May 3, 2010 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I take that Hamilton article and the weak conclusions she draws from it with less than a grain of salt.

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by oldemystix on May 3, 2010 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bruce addressed this in his press conference after Game 7 saying all players show up to practice if only to say they are unable to practice – usually after they’ve tried skating some.

(This does differ from my impression given what I’ve read from Tarik and others here who go to practices and report back).

by Icebat on May 5, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is the PD/Kouleas video unavailable to everyone or just those of us that happen to be in Japan?

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by Steckel Me Elmo on May 3, 2010 6:46 AM EDT reply actions  

It works for me, i think Score.ca is xenophobic

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by Kevin Sellathamby on May 3, 2010 8:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

I tried again after dinner. Turned out to work for me. Don’t know what the deal was. Oh well.

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by Steckel Me Elmo on May 3, 2010 8:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wow. Less than a minute in Milbury is an idiot. It’s pretty obvious that Bruce was sticking with Varlamov in the playoffs. And the D was definitely not the problem, though there were lapses. McGuire hits it. It’s things like 1-for-33 on the PP. The stars playing like individuals. They didn’t play as a team, and didn’t adjust to the Canadiens’ style.

They are both right on one thing. It’s curious that GMGM backed Boudreau immediately. Adjustments need to be made. Either in Boudreau’s system, or if they don’t think that can be done. In the coach that is leading the team. That is something that GMGM needs to look at over the summer.

Also, while the D isn’t as bad as it is made out to be, I wouldn’t mind it getting boosted, that’s for sure. Perhaps a Zbynek Michalek? (Never happening, I know).

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by Steckel Me Elmo on May 3, 2010 6:51 AM EDT reply actions  

It would certainly be worth GMGM taking a look around and seeing if a veteran bench boss is available who could bring in tactics and adjustment ability that would do better in the playoffs.

I’m never one to put too much on a coach, but BB was clearly badly out-coached in the series.

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by smutsboy1 on May 3, 2010 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Why are they so angry? Their team lost, and the Penguins could win, again. That’s too much to take

Works for me.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on May 3, 2010 7:00 AM EDT reply actions  

Responses to early exit?

Anyone recall how Boston or Detroit responded to their unexpected early exits, as far as roster changes?

by vzotsky on May 3, 2010 7:31 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

After Detroit’s mid-90s exits, they traded Coffey, Primeau and a 1st round pick for Shanahan.

After their post-2002 exits, the team transitioned away from the Yzerman-era toward the Datsyuk-Zetterberg era. They cut loose Chelios, Shanahan, Hasek, Lang, Hatcher, and Hull. They also dumped Dave Lewis for Mike Babcock.

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by D'ohboy on May 3, 2010 8:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

The mid-90’s Wings also called up a promising young rookie…Mike Knuble.

Though admittedly he was called up in late March of ‘97 and wasn’t eligible to have his name on the Cup that year.

by EmilyB on May 3, 2010 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Interesting.

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by smutsboy1 on May 3, 2010 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

some of the guys let go post-2002 were “victims” of the salary cap coming into effect. (and then some were just old)

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by RedBirdie on May 3, 2010 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

PD Video

Love how Wysh starts talking about a #2C (good), and the host Kouleas says “trade Semin and pick up someone like Colby Armstrong.”

Then you see Wysh mouth “Colby Armstrong???” with a pained “are you fucking high?” look on his face.

The Nieuwendyk comparison is apt, however. Dallas dumped a promising young winger in Jarome Iginla, but got a Cup in return.

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by D'ohboy on May 3, 2010 7:45 AM EDT reply actions  

I like that PD points out Crosby’s slump with Malkin out. As well as the fact that the Pens won the Stanley Cup last year. This isn’t Crosby leading a team from worst to competing for the division title (not that any of the finalists did that). This is Crosby leading a Cup winning team to a playoff spot.

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by Steckel Me Elmo on May 3, 2010 7:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

I turned the video off after they stopped talking Caps – I’m presuming that they had a further discussion about the Hart?

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by D'ohboy on May 3, 2010 8:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yup. PD talked about how a goalie should have gotten it, Kouleas about how he’s glad a goalie wasn’t considered.

Kouleas says Crosby was the best player with the worst supporting cast. And mentions that if you exclude ENG, Crosby is the only player with 50 (didn’t know that, props to him).

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by Steckel Me Elmo on May 3, 2010 8:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Did Kouleas mention that Crosby also played ten more games than Ovechkin?

by b.orr4 on May 3, 2010 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Pretty sure that Kouleas would’ve backed Quintin Laing for Hart if he was the only Canadian in the field.

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by J.P. on May 3, 2010 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Laing shows so much heart. That means he deserves the Hart …. right?

To be completely honest, I’m not entirely familiar with Kouleas’ tendencies, or at least I don’t remember them. And after watching that video, I can’t exactly say I am disappointed.

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by Steckel Me Elmo on May 3, 2010 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Following up on the 80’s Oilers comparison, the NY Times had a great column yesterday on the greatest playoffs upsets in NHL history. For Caps fans, the comments by Gretzky give hope:

In part because the Capitals boast the charismatic Ovechkin, and in part because they finished 33 points ahead of the Canadiens in the regular season, some have called this the greatest upset in Stanley Cup play. But four other upsets involved teams in which the points gap between the teams was larger, all before 1994. The largest, the 1982 first-round defeat of Edmonton by Los Angeles, has some significant similarities and perhaps some lessons for the offense-oriented Capitals. The freewheeling, confident Oilers, featuring the 21-year-olds Wayne Gretzky and Mark Messier, finished a whopping 48 points ahead of the Kings. But the Oilers lost in a wild five-game series that set numerous records for goals.
Most famous among them was Game 3, known among Kings fans as the Miracle on Manchester for the location of their rink on Manchester Boulevard in Inglewood, Calif. The Oilers squandered a five-goal third-period lead and lost in overtime, 6-5.
In his autobiography, Gretzky called it "the best thing that could’ve happened" to the young Oilers.
"We had gotten too big for our hockey shorts," he wrote. "We jeered the Kings’ power-play line from the bench when we should have been yelling for more defense."
In two years, the Oilers would be a bit more reserved and better defensively on their way to winning the Stanley Cup. Critics would argue that modesty and defense were also in short supply among this season’s Capitals.
NY Times

by b.orr4 on May 3, 2010 8:41 AM EDT reply actions  

Thanks, NY Times, for making the point I made 5 days ago.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on May 3, 2010 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think if you meshed Friedmans analysis with Puck Daddy’s you’d have the exact reason why we pooped the bed and some solutions to not pooping the bed moving forward.

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by JSchon on May 3, 2010 8:43 AM EDT reply actions  

Considering I was babysitting my grandson this weekend, this is a visual I can understand….

Ugh…

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by MikeL-Pivonka on May 3, 2010 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Some leftover media-day pics.

They all have such despondent looks on their faces…sigh….
On a shallower note, lovin the specs on TSloan

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by bagace on May 3, 2010 9:12 AM EDT reply actions  

same here. Really shallow, but……

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by RedBirdie on May 3, 2010 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

I skimmed the comments on the Friedman article for some reason and found this gem:

The Caps need a coach who is not a clown and a person with the cachet to be the boss. Ken Hitchcock would be good…

Talk about a complete 180 in coaching philosophy.

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by Laich It Or Lump It on May 3, 2010 9:14 AM EDT reply actions  

I’m not advocating removal of BB, but more discipline and accountability wouldn’t be a bad thing, especially @ Kettler.

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by JSchon on May 3, 2010 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Accountability is a good thing, and I agree that Boudreau needs to improve in that respect. Too bad the commenter sandwiched that suggestion between petty name-calling and Ken Hitchcock. We can all agree, that is not a tasty sandwich.

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by Laich It Or Lump It on May 3, 2010 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hitchcock would be a sawdust and rhubarb on toasted pumpernickel.

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by JSchon on May 3, 2010 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

They do need someone that keeps accountability. But Hitchcock would be terrible for the personnel the Caps have.

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by Steckel Me Elmo on May 3, 2010 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

And terrible for anyone who actually enjoys watching hockey.

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by Knee high to a duck on May 3, 2010 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

It could be worse… wait yea Jabba the Hitchcock is pretty bad

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by Kevin Sellathamby on May 3, 2010 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

It could be Lemaire, I guess. Luckily he retired.

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by Steckel Me Elmo on May 3, 2010 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

yea pretty much. Be happy about that. Though i’m really not sure who’d make a good replacement for BB if there would be a coaching change

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by Kevin Sellathamby on May 3, 2010 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

That’s my issue as well. I personally don’t think Boudreau is a very good coach. But if there’s no upgrade available, then he shouldn’t be fired. And I don’t know enough about the current candidates that are interested in, and qualified for, an NHL head coaching job to make a decision as to who could replace him. That is to say, I know virtually nothing about the field of candidates.

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by Steckel Me Elmo on May 3, 2010 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

completely agree.

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by smutsboy1 on May 3, 2010 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

A list of coaches (Via Mirtle)

Most of these people haven’t had experience as a head coach though

Scott Arniel, head coach of Manitoba Moose
Guy Boucher, head coach of Hamilton Bulldogs
Bob Boughner, head coach (and part owner) of Windsor Spitfires
Kevin Dineen, head coach of Portland Pirates
John MacLean, head coach of Lowell Devils
Paul MacLean, assistant coach of Detroit Red Wings
Kevin McCarthy, assistant coach of Philadelphia Flyers
Brad McCrimmon, assistant coach of Detroit Red Wings
Claude Noel, interim head coach of Columbus Blue Jackets
Brent Peterson, associate coach of Nashville Predators
Jim Playfair, head coach of Abbotsford Heat
Craig Ramsay, assistant coach of Boston Bruins
Scott Stevens, assistant coach of New Jersey Devils
John Torchetti, associate coach of Chicago Blackhawks

And a few left off the list
Guy Carbonneau (Former Habs)
Craig McTavish (Former Oilers)
Mike Keenan (Former Flames)
Bob Hartley (former Thrashers)
John Stevens (former Flyers)
John Anderson (Former ATL)

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by Kevin Sellathamby on May 3, 2010 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

When I posted last week about bringing in a mentor and coach for Mike Green, I hadn’t even thought about Scott Stevens.

I don’t know if we can pry him from the Devils – but he would be a great addition to our staff. I guess whether he stays with the Devils or not will depend on who gets the head coaching job.

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by STLSpidey on May 3, 2010 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Guy Boucher has been or will be interviewing with the Blue jackets.

by EmilyB on May 3, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hitchcock would be a good fit for New Jersey unless they are looking for a change in direction.

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by Laich It Or Lump It on May 3, 2010 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

please no. I’d rather have Carbonneau or someone who can help deal with the team’s weaknesses (i.e. Power Play) rather than a coach who can play off the team’s strengths

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by Kevin Sellathamby on May 3, 2010 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think Hitch’s days are done as an NHL coach. For starters, he’s almost 60 and the trend in the NHL is to go younger for head coaches. And since his Dallas days, he’s developed a trend of starting great with Philly and Columbus and then having his teams get worse instead of better. He’ll probably get into scouting and full-time Civil War re-enactments.

by b.orr4 on May 3, 2010 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

on what planet is “Hitchcock+Capitals” a good idea? Because it sure as hell isn’t planet earth.

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by RedBirdie on May 3, 2010 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Planet Panic, located in the Galaxy of Shortsightedness and Quick Fixes

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by STLSpidey on May 3, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

ah, thanks! I’ll have to look it up on my charts :)

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by RedBirdie on May 3, 2010 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Perhaps.... this Mr. HItchcock

da-dump, da-da-da, da-dump, da-dump…

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by ThePeerless on May 3, 2010 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Once per game, he makes an appearance on the ice.

"Now wait a minute. This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man."

by The Ghost of Bebop on May 3, 2010 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Though his shadow remains for all 60 minutes.

by EmilyB on May 3, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

lol. wow. well done

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by kingzman264 on May 3, 2010 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, Kettler is in Virginia and some of the most famous Civil War battles took place here and Hitchcock is a Civil War buff. See, you just have to connect the dots.

by b.orr4 on May 3, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

TSN named Washington Capitals forward Nicklas Backstrom and St. Louis Blues forward Keith Tkachuk co-winners of the 2009-10 NHL on TSN No Guts, No Glory honour.

I really enjoyed the break down comments from Laich and Oshie respectively and Tkachuk’s comment about sharing the award with someone that didn’t break any bones. I have to admit I’m gonna miss Tkachuk a little.
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by Malin A on May 3, 2010 10:19 AM EDT reply actions  

That’s one hell of a pic of Tkachuk in the vid cap.

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by J.P. on May 3, 2010 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

He looks like someone who needs to be committed...

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by J.P. on May 3, 2010 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

I knew Walt was getting beat up and that playing a game like hockey takes its toll, but damn.

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by Knee high to a duck on May 3, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Look like that kid in Deliverance, all growed up

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by ThePeerless on May 3, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Or Cal Ripken in the parallel universe Star Trek episode.

by EmilyB on May 3, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

That was an amazing shift to bear witness to.

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by jordanDC on May 3, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

oh man, reading why they picked Nicky brought a smile to my face (bonus! Brooks Laich quote!) and reminded me of all the great highs this season gave me.

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by RedBirdie on May 3, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t post that often, but posting the video of his shift is a good idea.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhD6kd2WxjA

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by Given To Fly on May 3, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

As a player or fan, the most unsatisfying thing you could possibly do after a loss like ours is to say you lost because of bad luck. Not exactly going to win you a sportsmanship award either. And while we all know (or at least feel) there were many things, from fundemental strategies and roster selections, to nuanced player-level changes that could’ve been made to change this series dramatically, the admittedly faulty way we went out and played was still more than enough to win 4 games, and more often than not does win us 4. Not to say MTL didn’t earn it, or that we couldn’t have played (and been coached) much better than we were, but I think it’s clear by the BtN stats that we were, in part, snake bit.

Yes, our PP was atrocious. And not just on paper. We looked lost and uncoordinated until late in the series. But just like MTL got a break on the PP when a shot from the point sawed a WSH stick in half and floated gently to a winger in the slot… these bounces happen to everyone, except the 2010 Caps in the playoffs. We didn’t get a flukey goal when we needed it, a fortunate bounce, or a plinko goal. Because not getting lucky is a form of getting unlucky.

In the end, we all want to rationalize and place blame for the loss, but the ratio of blame to people who deserve the blame is pretty out of whack. Yes, you can tag BB for a decent amount (and in various facets of the game). Yes, Sasha didn’t put the puck in the net. Yes, Green had a couple trademark, top shelf boners in the defensive zone, but still it doesn’t feel like enough to have deserved a loss.

So while there is real blame to pass out and real changes that need to be made, and there were things that we could’ve done to win this series, GMGM knows that drastic changes need not be made. I’m not totally satisfied with how we played, but I also recognize we played far well enough to win. Sometimes you just crap out.

by Super_Hans on May 3, 2010 10:28 AM EDT reply actions  

“We looked lost and uncoordinated until late in the series.”

The problem is that when a team doesn’t score, they look lost and atrocious.

An exercise for you, if you’re interested: go to NHL.com and watch the tape of every goal the Caps gave up at even-strength this year. Mark down whose fault each goal was. You will come away thinking that the Caps D is embarrassingly bad. And this is true of any team you do this for. A bad run looks bad but usually doesn’t mean anything in particular. In this case, the Caps still got the puck in the right place and got rebounds…

by Hawerchuk on May 3, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sure, all anecdotes aside, I’d wager that we had more shots and zone time per PP in the last two games, on average, than in the first 5 games. But point taken, for sure.

by Super_Hans on May 3, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Afterwards

After a few days to calm down, regroup, stop thinking about the Caps, etc (which I’ve been pretty much unsuccessful at), it was interesting to read the Friedman article.
I agree with his assessment of Ovechkin, especially two things: First, his game changed this season; he was a different player after the last suspension, the final event that changed his style. Second, he has become increasingly predictable, (Engblom noted his change of tactic from North/south to east/west and showed how since the switch he’s been less successful; I strongly agree with that), as he began to rely too much on his signature move and shot. Semin also began to rely heavily on his wrister from the slot. After all, where were Semins moves to the net, where he could lift the puck straight up to the top from in close? Someone has to get him the puck down there, and he has to go there to get it.
I also agree with the assessment on Green. He’s a great offensive defenseman, and should remain so. He needs a rock solid stay at home (not a project or middling player) so that he can pursue that course. If you’re going to have a 4th forward, the 1 D should be a dominant specimen. Schultz may be good, but he isn’t the playoff answer to the 1 D equation.
BB isn’t going anywhere, but as someone mentioned above, there must be more accountability at practice. Too many options, too many low key, keep it light days. Help the players become more than one dimensional characters of themselves by encouraging them to create new moves, new techniques, so that they are less predictable. Games are not the time to practice that new head fake. If the post season removes your time and space, toe drag after toe drag is not beneficial ‘practice’.
I can go on and on. There are so many things that need to get tweaked, not hacked up, but seriously tweaked. And Friedman was right on target about one thing, it really comes down to personnel. We all know that. We know who should stay and who should go. If they keep Semin, then put him back on left wing and put Fehr on the RW, but pick up a brutish center because Semin isn’t bringing anything physical and Fehr, though vastly improved, is not physically imposing despite his size. You have to make up for that on the wings, and the center is the place to do it, if you want Fehr and Semin on the 2nd line. (my guess is semin gets moved at one point because he’s on a one year and if you keep him all year, he walks for nothing.) Eitherway, the Caps have to get meaner, uglier and more physical. There is too much of a division between the 1st and 2nd lines, and the top two versus the bottom 2; the 3rd and 4th line have improved a lot, but the 2nd regressed. (we can still blame Nylander.)
Too long. Sorry. Still haven’t gotten enough distance. I liked the Pens getting frustrated and losing to the Habs.
Now the Habs have got me pulling for them. WTF, man, wtf?

by The Jade Donkey on May 3, 2010 10:33 AM EDT reply actions  

Save for Kids isn’t on the front page anymore, but I wanted to say thank you to everyone who has sent their checks in, let you know that I’m truly touched by the notes you guys are sending, and remind you if you’ve been avoiding the internet since Wednesday (and who can blame you?), instructions on how to submit your pledge can be found by clicking the link in my signature.

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I didn’t include a note because I think it’s all been said. But I’d really love it if Theo could know just what you/we managed to do here.

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by CapitalCentre on May 3, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

since the awesome Caps PR people have tweeted about our pledge drive a couple times, I assume they’ve told him (at least I hope so!)

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by RedBirdie on May 3, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Went to a party Saturday and was asked, “Have you gotten over Caps losing the series to the Habs?”. My response “Nope, I’m still pissed”.

For all the excuse makers inside and outside the organization, hope you enjoy watching 4 weak squads battle for the East knowing full well the Caps could have/should have beaten every single of them.

For almost 3 decades I’ve learned to get over Caps playoff losses pretty quickly. Normally 2-3 days later I’m back to normal. This was because in most cases I felt like those Caps squads were good, but wouldn’t ever have a true chance at a Cup or even the Cup Finals. The ’97-98 squad making it to the Finals was just a fun ride. However, this time I figure it will take me until late May or June…2011.

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by Carl Putnam on May 3, 2010 10:44 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I’m in the same boat

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by smutsboy1 on May 3, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

I went to Northeastern’s alumni day at the ballpark yesterday, and lots of them know I have Caps season tickets. got a lot of “I’m so sorry” and “I can’t believe Halak played like that” and even one “it’s good to see you out.” (?!) But almost all of them said they too were upset because the Caps were their second favorite team. After about 10 of those comments I finally said “How can you have a second favorite team?!” “Because the Caps are so fun to watch. That’s the way hockey should be played. What, you think I like watching the Bruins score 2 goals a game and hope to god Tukka only let’s in one? God, it sucks!”

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by RedBirdie on May 3, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve found popping into my head every so often since Thursday, “How the hell did they wash out that Ovechkin goal?”

Nope. Not over it.

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by J.P. on May 3, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yep. A friend and I were complaining about that on Friday. The fact that the Caps shouldn’t have been in a position in which a disallowed goal meant so much doesn’t make me feel any better.

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by The Ghost of Bebop on May 3, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Right. I’m the first one to say, “When you put yourself in a position where the refs can impact a game, you get what you get.” But still…

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by J.P. on May 3, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

that call was so wrong, every Caps fan is well within their rights to be screaming mad about it. And I’m also usually in the “Don’t let the refs determine the outcomes….” school of thought.

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by RedBirdie on May 3, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

I actually don’t think the call was wrong by the letter of the rules. If Knuble’s skate hit Halak in the crease before OV’s shot went through, then the call was right.

The aggravating part is that this call almost never gets called. Terry Gregson on NHL Home Ice last week said that it got called during the regular season about once per week.

On the same radio show, I did hear Bettman agree that, had the goal stood, the complexion of the game would have been changed. I didn’t expect him to say it was a bad call, but, nonetheless, I thought admitting the game may have hinged on that play is interesting.

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by STLSpidey on May 3, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

one of the things that frustrates me so much about the NHL is how they change how the game is called come playoffs. it’s difficult enough to try and figure out how things are going to be called during the regular season, but to then have to contend with what can feel like a whole new set on interpretations of the rulebook is incredibly frustrating, and I’m just some fan sitting in the stands. I can’t imagine what it’s like for players and coaches.

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by RedBirdie on May 3, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I couldn’t agree more. For example, what accounts for the rash of Too Many Men penalties in the playoffs and the times when they’ve been called?

The Wings got hit with one at the end of the game yesterday, just as the Caps did in their series. I refuse to believe that, all of sudden, teams are making brutal line changes.

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by STLSpidey on May 3, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

missed the end of the Wings game, just heard a very loud series of f-bombs, that explain it!

but I agree, all of the sudden the best teams in hockey are apparently incapable of making a proper line change? I don’t buy it.

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by RedBirdie on May 3, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

There haven’t been any I’ve seen called that weren’t too many men. Heck, I’ve seen a couple of close ones that didn’t get called as well.

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by Carl Putnam on May 3, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Don Cherry has advocated a buffer zone of around five feet of the benches, in which TMM can’t be called. That eliminate the bull shit calls when an inadvertent puck hits someone’s foot.

I think he would actually draw the lines on the ice – much like the coaches’ box in basketball.

I like the idea.

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by STLSpidey on May 3, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Th idea has pluses and minuses. It definitely would make changes themselves go smoother. Changes are slowed somewhat with TMM concerns at times. However, once a puck goes into such a zone interpretations will be key. Think the goalie crease rule all over again. What is inadvertent and what isn’t. They changed the high sticking rule due to problems with interpretation and the goalie crease rule as well.

I’m not a huge fan of the idea, but I wouldn’t be totally averse to it either. I just don’t see it as a big issue period.

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by Carl Putnam on May 3, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not me. It’s was a bang bang play and given how the rules are written and interpreted (all over the place) I had no issues then or now. You put yourself into that position and you don’t get a break on call I’ve got no sympathy. This franchise and its fans have been using “hot goalies” nonsense and refs for excuses year after year.

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by Carl Putnam on May 3, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Every franchise uses those “excuses”. Perhaps those are often rolled out because they are two elements of the game that the players really can’t affect. Running into a hot goalie, or getting very bad calls from a ref are real reasons as to why you lose a game.

I don’t think anyone here is saying that is why we lost game 7; that horrid call was why we lost the series. In that situation; however, the Capitals needed whatever they could get. That call? A complete failure by the ref. He was on the other side of the goalie, he had no real view of Knuble’s skate touching Halak. Even then, it was on the border of the crease, his skate didn’t hinder Halak any more than his big ol’ butt planted infront of Halak’s face did. The puck went in, Halak flubbed, trying to draw a call, complained to the ref, and got the call.
Don’t even let me get into the fact that they reviewed another goalie interference call less than 5 minutes later on our end.

That instant changed the whole landscape of the game. It killed the mounting momentum and put us back into the 1-0 hole Alex Ovechkin and Mike Knuble earned everyone a ticket out of. The ref made a stupid call that not only impacted the game, it impacted the series, the play-off picture, and our entire season. It shouldn’t come down to something like that, for exactly that reason. You almost have as much a chance of failing as you do of succeeding.
The fact that the team got into that situation, doesn’t detract in anyway, the importance of that situation, the agony of that blown call, and the prospect of what could have been, if such a horrid call hadn’t been made

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by kingzman264 on May 3, 2010 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I was feeling alright until some asshole employee at a video game store of all places told me that the Capitals suck and I should take off my Capitals shirt. I decided not to spend money there.

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by jordanDC on May 3, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

a group of us went out Saturday to “grieve” together. people kept coming up to us “You know they lost right?” (the tone of this question was directly related to if they were from Pennsylvania) The bartender kept yelling “Leave them alone, they’re working through the grieving process!” we tipped him well.

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by RedBirdie on May 3, 2010 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

At least you were drinking. I felt like alternately strangling this kid and crying. It completely ruined my and my girlfriend’s mood for like 2 hours. The worst part is that this guy most likely couldn’t care any less about hockey, but his two little uninformed comments affected me so badly.

Fucking sports..

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by jordanDC on May 3, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

I almost got into a fist fight with a guy at a friend’s house because he kept telling my friend and I to shut the fuck up about the Caps. He was some bandwagon-jumping Bruins fan who didn’t even know that Tim Thomas isn’t the starting G for Boston anymore.

"Now wait a minute. This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man."

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he totally would have had it coming if you slugged him.

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by RedBirdie on May 3, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, he definitely would have. People stepped in before it got ugly.

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by The Ghost of Bebop on May 3, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

A guy on my hockey team was talking shit about the caps when he saw I had the CCM Ovechkin shoulder pads in the locker room before practice.
Needless to say i dogged him for a full 30 minutes of scrimmage

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by kingzman264 on May 3, 2010 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Smart barkeep.

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by gfcaps fan on May 3, 2010 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

We went out to Leesburg yesterday to do a little wine tasting. Had a small discussion with a father and daughter at one of the wineries. It was clear he wasn’t local so we asked where he was from, and it was Montreal — he was just visiting the daughter, who lives in Arlington. Fortunately, hockey did not come up in the conversation, because I sure as hell wasn’t brining it up. Nice guy, and was NOT French.

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by gfcaps fan on May 3, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

got a ? for you in the OTOT thread.

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by Elliotte on May 3, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gotcha.

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by gfcaps fan on May 3, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was trying to come back to hockey today, so I came to read the clips, but I can’t. Also, I didn’t jump in front of a bus or anything just so everyone knows.

Basically, all the articles, the games being played, and everything else, don’t mean shit to me right now. When it comes down to it the Caps didn’t get it done and I’m still standing around with an open heart wound.

On Saturday, I finally stopped being really depressed, but I’m no less disappointed or crushed.

This next regular season will be hard for me to even take seriously. Any achievements or greatness really won’t matter much until the games in April…they’ll be hard to even appreciate.
So unless the Caps go 82-0 next season I’m going to have a real hard time buying into any of the “this is the year” hype.

On one hand you lose out on some of the joy and excitement when they win but on the other hand you don’t go into a horrible downward spiral depression hoping that Halak’s skull implodes.

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by zephyr on May 3, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

I find that I just can’t get excited about life since the loss, and really Saturday was pretty miserable. I started to see a turnaround in mood yesterday and can now watch other NHL playoff games for stretches at a time, but everything still feels empty. We was robbed of a month of playoff hockey.

by Kolzilla on May 3, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I saw that Halak & the Body Blockers did the same thing to the Pens in yesterday’s game. Then I read this great quote:

“We got more shots, like we wanted to,” Pittsburgh captain Sidney Crosby said. “As a whole, we got the puck to the net and got some good chances; more than we did last game. The only difference was power play-wise we didn’t execute as well. Even strength, I thought we did a good job of generating things.”

A bit of deja vu …. mixed with Schadenfreude …. delicious!

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by bagace on May 3, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pensblog’s recap this morning was like reliving last week all over again.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on May 3, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

hopefully their series goes as well for them as ours did

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by Elliotte on May 3, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

No kiddin….

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by YvonLabresMoustache on May 3, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

For three more wins, I’ll just say the trap is great hockey.

After that, all bets are off.

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by gfcaps fan on May 3, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I really wanted to put up a GIF of Sid losing his mind yesterday, but GIFsoup seems to be broken.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on May 3, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

aww, he did? Dang, I missed that.

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by Elliotte on May 3, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Link

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by YvonLabresMoustache on May 3, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

that’s some quality mature leadership right there! Why isn’t Ovie more like Sid?

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by RedBirdie on May 3, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, that is so classic. Or not, because it belies the image he tries to project for himself. Makes him seem almost… human.

Nah.

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by gfcaps fan on May 3, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Have I forgotten anything? Oh yes, see what you can get for Semin.

Love this from Friedman, but the one-year paycheck GMGM just gave AS28 may it difficult to do anything with him. The Caps could get as many as three decent wingers for what AS gets paid.

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by hotdog88gt on May 3, 2010 11:11 AM EDT reply actions  

Unfortunately, 28’s value dropped incredibly in the playoffs. How long does the conversation about him being a 40 goals scorer take place before questions about his leadership in the playoffs surfaces? I think trading him for value is going to be difficult.

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by STLSpidey on May 3, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

A decent performance in the WC might help. I hope.

by EmilyB on May 3, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Did his value drop? Probably. Hey, he may be an enigma, but he’s our enigma for another year.

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by hotdog88gt on May 3, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Volchenkov…that is all!

by sdcapsfan on May 3, 2010 12:17 PM EDT reply actions  

TEB posted the summer schedule. His August schedule is depressing as hell.

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by RedBirdie on May 3, 2010 12:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Even the Stanley Cup winners have that schedule in August. I believe Japers’ Rink turns five this August, and I remarked last year it’s no accident a lot of the best hockey blogs have July/August birthdays.

by EmilyB on May 3, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

August is a hell of a lot less depressing if you’ve got a big silver thing to stare at all month.

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by RedBirdie on May 3, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Interesting comment from there, regarding earlier discussion about Green and Team Canada (without knowing if it’s true):

Other players who are in their national pool, such as Mike Green, Tomas Fleischmann and Nicklas Backstrom, are believed to have declined invitations.

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by gfcaps fan on May 3, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

No Habs no!

Okay, this is pretty funny. Canada is now officiellement divided as to the question of “Who is Canada’s team?” for the duration of the playoffs. Which begs the question – wouldn’t a all-Canadian Coupe Stanley Cup final be delicious?

by EmilyB on May 3, 2010 1:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Woohoo!

I think. It is Puck Daddy, after all. (I kid, Wysh isn’t the problem.)

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by gfcaps fan on May 3, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d love the heart failure at NBC when that happens.

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by gfcaps fan on May 3, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was thinking that to myself yesterday and couldn’t stop chuckling.

Games 1 and 2 are on Vs. right? Everything else is on NBC?

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by YvonLabresMoustache on May 3, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not sure, but I think 1 and 2 are NBC. That’s why they have to play back to back.

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by gfcaps fan on May 3, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Last year, it was Games 3 and 4 on Versus. Something about getting people interested and making them want to find Vs. I think the schedule also had games 3 and 4 falling on NBC’s better ratings nights, but you probably won’t get them to say that factored into it.

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by apk3000 on May 3, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

The only thing that would have been better is if NBC had prematurely played up an Ovi-Crosby ECF, similarly to the puppets made for the Lebron-Kobe final last year – an event that didn’t happen.

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by bagace on May 3, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

While I want the Habs to lose to the Pens just to show the Caps an object lesson, I yearn for an all Canadian final to happen. Hasn’t been one in my lifetime. The atmosphere would be electric.

As for the Peacock, I’d want low ratings for Ebersol & Zucker. However, not so much for the sport and future TV deal possibilities.

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by Carl Putnam on May 3, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

When exactly was the last all-Canadian final? Was that Habs/Flames in 89?

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by YvonLabresMoustache on May 3, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

..

Lanny McDonald FTW

Now THERE was a ’stache…

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by YvonLabresMoustache on May 3, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I you didn’t love that beard, you don’t love hockey.

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by Carl Putnam on May 3, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

The only muppet to ever win the Stanley Cup.

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by jordanDC on May 3, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I dunno, sometimes I wonder if Zetterberg is a Jim Henson creation.

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by RedBirdie on May 3, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I sometimes wonder if Datsyuk’s hands are bionic.

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by Carl Putnam on May 3, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

And why is Frank Oz always hanging around behind him?

by EmilyB on May 3, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hmm.. he is always standing behind some piece of furniture..

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by jordanDC on May 3, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Doh! memory fail. Yes, ’89. How could I forget about the great Loob.

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by Carl Putnam on May 3, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Unfortunately, Buccigross mentions him every 5 minutes.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on May 3, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exaplains why I didn’t remember. I don’t listen to Bucci.

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by Carl Putnam on May 3, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Its pretty much why I stopped reading his columns. We get it, John.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on May 3, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Bucci might marry Hakan just for the last name

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by kingzman264 on May 3, 2010 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Canada’s team is not the Habs. The Habs are Quebec’s team

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by Kevin Sellathamby on May 3, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Somewhere a Nordiques fan drops a lonely tear

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by YvonLabresMoustache on May 3, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whereas the Devils are 5 guys and one girl from Somerset’s team.

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by Carl Putnam on May 3, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

So I’ve gathered. I just think it’s hilarious, with MPs getting their knickers knotted on Twitter. Our Northern neighbors take it so seriously.

by EmilyB on May 3, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

My dad had the misfortune of watching game 7 with a bunch of Maple Leaf Fans from Nova Scotia who were cheering for the Canadiens as if they were life long fans.

Does. not. compute.

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I want to give your dad a hug for enduring that.

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by RedBirdie on May 3, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

It doesn’t mean the regular season is a mockery, it just reinforces the notion that the playoffs are a crapshoot where pretty much anything can, will, and does happen. Its a completely random process.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on May 3, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

YLM – You forgot this part.

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by Carl Putnam on May 3, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

LOL.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on May 3, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

personally, I wouldn’t be opposed to trying a playoff system similar to the NFL. That would ahve given us:

East, first round
Washington, bye
New Jersey, bye
Buffalo vs. Boston
Pittsburgh vs. Ottawa

West, first round
San Jose, bye
Chicago, bye
Vancouver vs. Los Angeles
Phoenix vs. Detroit

not a huge fan of the idea of teams have a huge down period because of the byes, though. Maybe reduce the first round to 5 games, like baseball does?

Hard to come up with a workable system to take the top two in each division and make them play for the division title and right to move on because of the East-West divide and 3 division per conference. Maybe something to mess around with in a desperate attempt to keep myself occupied.

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by RedBirdie on May 3, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Reducing it to five games makes it more likely that luck will prevail over performance.

Waiting 'til next year.

by wickedwitch on May 3, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not super likely the teevee folk will agree to fewer playoff games, I think.

by EmilyB on May 3, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

not easy answers with this. But I really am not a fan of 16 of the 30 teams making the playoffs right now.

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by RedBirdie on May 3, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m a big fan of it. Much better than when 16 of 21 teams made it. The grind is part of the allure.

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by Carl Putnam on May 3, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

At least 16 our of 30 is an improvement over 16 our of 21. In the olden days of 16 out of 21, a team would make the playoffs unless they totally sucked. Nowadays, mediocrity gets you in. Badness doesn’t.

We just have more teams fighting for the same number of playoff spots.

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by CapsFan75 on May 3, 2010 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Glad Green finally spoke to the press. The comments TEB has tweeted are precisely what I wanted to hear. Makes me feel a bit better honestly.

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by Carl Putnam on May 3, 2010 1:57 PM EDT reply actions  

video is up at washcaps.com, too, although that looks staged and maybe was separate from talking to the press.

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by gfcaps fan on May 3, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes.

Man, dude looks like he hasn’t slept in weeks.

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by Carl Putnam on May 3, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought the exact same thing. He looked awful.

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by caps123 on May 3, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

for our friends who can’t access twitter, from TEB:

Green apologized for not speaking sooner. Said emotions were too raw and he was afraid of “saying the wrong thing.”
Mike Green said he’s not playing Worlds because of a sore wrist, which needs more time to heal. Says it bothered him, but not too much.
Green on PP: "As a player, I take full responsibility for my role. Not scoring, not producing … is something I need to do. And I didn’t. "

the entire thing will be posted on CI as soon as TEB transcribes it.

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by RedBirdie on May 3, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can’t ax for more from the guy.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on May 3, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I disagree. We count on him to NOT not score and NOT not produce.

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by jordanDC on May 3, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

And this is definitely separate from the Caps video. More TEB:

Green on loss: “It was overwhelming. You almost want to cry. …The way I felt after that game is something I hope I never feel again.”

Now I want to just give him a hug.

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by gfcaps fan on May 3, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Green or Caps fan quote?
“It took a couple of days to not have the anxiety almost and feel like you want to break something.”

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by Carl Putnam on May 3, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think i may have said both of those things on the GDT thread

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by kingzman264 on May 3, 2010 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

His wrist was the reason they said (after the fact) Green sat out those two games late in the season, including the Pens game. Dunno if it was true then or true now, but there you have it.

by EmilyB on May 3, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

he said he was resting up some little nagging injuries at the time. but then also said he felt really good, rested, and healthy going into the playoffs.

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by RedBirdie on May 3, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess it’s pointless to play “guess the injury” or “guess the extent of the injury” anyway…

by EmilyB on May 3, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

but what the heck else am I supposed to do with all this free time?!?! :)

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by RedBirdie on May 3, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

TEB’s summary is up now.

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by gfcaps fan on May 3, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

everyone should read it. It’s good.

Q: What were your raw emotions after the loss?

A: It was overwhelming. You almost want to cry. It’s disappointing. [Tearing up slightly.] The way I felt after that game is something I hope I never feel again. The expectations we had upon ourselves and what happened … The tough part for me is that it takes 82 more games to get another opportunity. That’s a long time.

tearing up? I don’t know if I want to hit him and tell him to toughen up, or give him a hug.

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by RedBirdie on May 3, 2010 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Give him a hug :) Don’t hit the poor kid.

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by caps123 on May 3, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am very happy the Olympics are done and we won’t have to deal with it next year. Mike really struggled with his game trying to please Steve Yzerman, and Ovie was never fully himself afterwards either.

Oh, and Mike gets a hug from me, he’s got enough people hitting him already.

by EmilyB on May 3, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

His coach really should have sat him down and explained where his paycheck was coming from; the only management who’s opinion counts is Bruce and George, and they were pretty happy with him long before Yzerman got in his head.

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by gfcaps fan on May 3, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

BB’s opinion was that Green should be on Team Canada, and it’s possible he encouraged Green to work on that whole defense thing. The rest of the team was not hurting for offense, and green was still providing plenty of assists.

by EmilyB on May 3, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

All possible. At the same time, BB has been a Green “apologist”, in that during the whole Team Canada thing he was clear that Green plays the way he does because that’s what the team asks him to do. In that case, BB needs to counsel Green that it could keep him off the national team, but it’s still what’s expected of him here.

Mostly, he needs to find a way to tune out the damned media, that much is clear from his session today.

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by gfcaps fan on May 3, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

In retrospect, the Olympics were a killer, one of the reasons IMO that doomed the Caps. Ovie came back a changed player, and not for the better. It got even worse after the Campbell hit and suspension. All that bad karma messed with Ovie’s head and the way he played. When the playoffs came around, the Caps as a team fed off all that bad energy and karma, and the rest is history.

by Ovietracker on May 3, 2010 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I already said above I wanted to hug him. But then, I have a kid almost his age.

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by gfcaps fan on May 3, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I recall reading about the wrist, after he was “healthy” scratched and thought, “Oh Oh, this sounds like Semin back in November.” In the sense of having an injured wrist and not being as effective a player. (It took a month or more for Semin to recover from his wrist injury.

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by CapsFan75 on May 3, 2010 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

very different injuries. Green’s was/is probably bruised. Semin’s is chronic tendinitis caused by the way he torques his wrist.

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by RedBirdie on May 4, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wasn’t sure what was wrong with Green’s wrist. Tendinitis sure sounded like what ailed Semin. I ran into a couple of people who had worn a similar brace as Semin who described their ailment as tendinitis.

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by CapsFan75 on May 4, 2010 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ovie invade "Meet the Press" set

in figurine form!

Steinberg has the full scoop

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by RedBirdie on May 3, 2010 2:06 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

Hahaha…Mrs. YLM just bought home her Ovechkin figurine yesterday and put him on the book case next to Bobblehead Bruce.

However long the night, the dawn will break again

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by YvonLabresMoustache on May 3, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

On the shelf with the Russia books. Well played, David Gregory.

by EmilyB on May 3, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just wanna take the opportunity to say:

1. David Gregory and I both went to AU’s School of International Service (but not at the same time). Go Eagles!

2. He was EXTREMELY gracious when he got mobbed in the Dewar’s Club during Game 5.

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by RedBirdie on May 3, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

So when is Ups and Downs coming out?

I waited all year for this?

by Rob Parker on May 3, 2010 4:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Monday, October 18 at 11:00am.

by EmilyB on May 3, 2010 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Zing!

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by gfcaps fan on May 3, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it’s a down arrow week

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by RedBirdie on May 3, 2010 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Though Poti gets a purple heart. And Carlznerson with green up arrows. Maybe Brooksie with a golden tire jack. After that, maybe the whole team is Trending Sasha.

by EmilyB on May 3, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

you’re right, Poti deserves a couple purple hearts. One for his injury, another for showing up for the game the day after getting 4 plates and 12 screws in his face.

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by RedBirdie on May 3, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Purple heart for the injury, Iron Cross for coming to the game and to Media Day.

by EmilyB on May 3, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

In a down arrow week, Poti’s strength and determination are inspiring.

I’ll try to hold on to that thought now because, quite frankly, I’m just not that interested in hockey anymore, not interested in watching any more playoff games. Why watch some other team grab the glory and hoist the Cup that I hoped and expected would be the Caps? It’s almost five days later and I’m still in a foul mood, not in shock or in tears like last Wednesday night, but still hurting and grieving.

by Ovietracker on May 3, 2010 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don’t forget Belanger with the purple heart!

Cидни Kросби: Александр Oвечкин, он твой папа теперь
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by red army line on May 4, 2010 5:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

My Birthday Too

Good company!

"Hockey is my life, wine is my passion." -- Igor Larionov

by Scott in Shaw on May 4, 2010 2:02 AM EDT reply actions  

belated 2:49am of the next day birthday wishes, scott!

by Natty Bumppo on May 4, 2010 2:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

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