Recap: Flames 5, Caps 3
by David Getz on Mar 28, 2010 6:24 PM EDT
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Can anyone out there really say they're all that surprised?
Don't get me wrong, I don't think there's any doubt that Capitals are the more skilled of the two team that played at Verizon Center this afternoon, or any doubt that they'd be the odds-on favorite to win a seven game series or most single-game matchups (especially those played in Washington). But whenever a desperate team plays an uninterested one, the latter's going to have an awfully hard time pulling out a point, let alone a victory. For that reason alone, there's only so much you can evaluate about today's performance from the Capitals, and because of that there's one overriding thought you come away with: Let's not make starts like this one a habit, okay boys?
Ten additional thoughts on this afternoon's game:
- I really wish Quintin Laing was just a little bit better at hockey, because I sure do like watching him play the game.
- The Flames' first goal was a perfect example of how putting an emphasis on hitting can make a defenseman less effective. If John Erskine turns his attention to the play in front of the net rather than trying to nail Rene Bourque, maybe he's there in time to prevent Ales Kotalik from putting the rebound behind Jose Theodore.
- Really rough first period for David Steckel who quit moving his feet on a play that let Jay Bouwmeester get open and score, and then lost Niklas Hagman in front of the net for the Flames fourth goal. Not good for a guy who's supposed to be a defensively responsible grinder. Still, that second period goal was exactly what you want to see from a guy with Steckel's size and, um, skill set.
- For his next game I'd like to politely suggest Eric Belanger put the nine iron back in the golf bag. You know, so some of his shots get on net rather than go screaming over it.
- It was nice to see Mathieu Perreault back in Washington, especially since he seemed to get better as the game went on. Specifically it seemed like Perreault was very cognizant of his size in the early going, shying away from hits and avoiding the more physical areas of the ice, but became more comfortable in the second and third periods - as his goal will attest.
- Jason Chimera was sure playing with a lot of fire after he was boarded by Cory Sarich, which is a great way to see him play.
- Speaking of the Sarich hit - and I'm well aware this may sound like sour grapes comes from a Capitals fan - how that sequence only ends up netting him two minutes in the box (and the five for fighting) is beyond me.
- According to the official stat sheet, the Capitals out-hit the Flames more than three-to-two. I'll just go ahead and say that I politely disagree with that.
- While we're on the topic of the stat sheet: giveaways are a pretty dubious statistic, but when one team is credited with 18 and the other team is credited with four, you can probably make a guess as to which had more to play for.
- With his second period assist, Nicklas Backstom hit 90 points on the season, which makes him just the fifth player in Capitals history to hit that number in single-season scoring. That, like seemingly everything else Backstrom's done this season, is simultaneously good news and bad news. Another milestone for Backstrom? Breaking the franchise record for number of times thrown out of the faceoff circle in one game (note: this may be speculation).
As easy as it is to dismiss a game like this as meaningless - and let's clear, for the Capitals, it is virtually meaningless, there are still aspects of the team's game that need to be worked on. Let's see how Bruce Boudreau gets his guys to come out on Tuesday.
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something about Rene Bourque really makes me not like that guy.
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His hair actually looksexactly like the Flames’ logo (but vertical)?
I like the Washington Capitals.
by bigeugene on Mar 28, 2010 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sreak or Lobster? What'll it be, Alex O?
Or instead ask MattyP. ‘cos I’m re-awarding it to him. Alex can buy his own darn steak.
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They’re shrinking it so that it will fit Matty P.
"Now wait a minute. This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man."
by The Ghost of Bebop on Mar 28, 2010 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Happy to see Ovechkin hit 100 points, although Crosby has two goals so far today to get ahead by one once again. At this point, beyond clinching the Presidents’ Trophy, I’m rooting for Ovechkin and Green to strengthen their cases for the Hart and Norris, respectively.
"Now wait a minute. This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man."
by The Ghost of Bebop on Mar 28, 2010 6:31 PM EDT reply actions
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How does the goalie accounting work for this game? The scoresheet is kind of a mess.
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Roo!
300th career goal for Alexandre in Hershey today. Maybe he should get the Palm card.
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Joe Corvo sucks. That is all.
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I have never seen a professional hockey player less interested in the outcome of a game he played in than Joe Corvo tonight. And right before the flucky 5th goal Ovie was wide open in the slot and Corvo just ate the puck. The look Ovie gave him after should have killed him then and there.
It's the Caps . . . First team to 4, wins.
by ChrisAm on Mar 28, 2010 6:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Corvo to me just seems real nonchalant when he handles the puck. Like, always.
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As opposed to Erskine and, to a lesser degree, Poti, who both panic the instant they get the puck. I’d rather have someone be nonchalant than freak out.
There's a fine line between arrogance and ignorance and only I manage to erase that line.
by D'ohboy on Mar 28, 2010 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Which of the Caps’ defensemen would you apply that label to?
Green can be nonchalant like Corvo. Erskine, Poti and ShaMo are all prone to moments of panic. Carlson is good, but young.
If the choice is between Corvo and Erskine/ShaMo, I take Corvo every day of the week and twice on Sunday.
There's a fine line between arrogance and ignorance and only I manage to erase that line.
Green can be nonchalant but he still delivers the puck with urgency. Every time Corvo makes a pass he feathers it, kind of like what happens when Flash shoots.
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I originally liked the Corvo trade but man, we got hosed. Pothier may not put up awhole lot of numbers but he was never a liability out there like Corvo is. That being said, I really think they missed ShaMo out there big time. Jurcina will be a help too when he gets healthy.
Meh, I think he is playing just like we thought he would.
He is having some good games, some not so good games. More not good, which bothers me, but when he comes to play he is a good player. I wish we got rid of Poti instead of Pothier, but it is what it is.
We just have to hope Corvo picks it up in the POs, which i think he is completely capable of
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I think this is a very important subject. Besides the 2 goals vs. Carolina, I have seen nothing positive. At the time of the trade, I was indecisive about it, but no longer. We got hosed. Pothier worked harder and was better defensively. There is no doubt about this ( so far).
He has had ONE good game and that is cause he scored, not cause he defended well. I’m not sure there is anything to be done as Bruce has really no choice but to play him.
I’m not exactly pumped with the way Corvo has played, but acting like he’s a step down from Potsy is ridiculous. Corvo can handle more minutes and do it better, even if he’s not living up to Alan Ryder’s numbers. Potsy needed to be benched pretty regularly because he lost focus and played bad hockey. I think GMGM could have paid less for more (a second for Seidenberg would have been nice) but we’re still better than we were. I’m just not convinced it’s good enough if it means Corvo and Poti get 20+ minutes to one-up each other with pee-wee mistakes.
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I don’t think these observations are “ridiculous” at all. I have watched EVERY game since the trade and this is what is happening. I also don’t recall Potsy being benched regularly. I thought he attacked this season with a vengeance, which was different than I had seen from him in previous seasons.
I think Corvo , right now, Is playing “bad hockey”. But we can agree to disagree.
Pothier was a healthy scratch several times this year.
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several=regular? Anyway i just dont like Corvo’s defensive game so far. I think it has been a step down.
I watched us beat Potsy on the boards pretty consistently against Carolina. Sounds like a lot of people are overestimating Potsy’s contributions in my opinion. Maybe you wouldn’t classify him as a “regular” scratch all year, but he was in that discussion of who should sit every night save for a brief stretch after an early benching. Corvo has actually stayed healthy as well, something Potsy wasn’t able to do this year.
by Davethecapsfan on Mar 28, 2010 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Why? He’s made a couple mistakes over the last couple weeks, the most blatant being his misplay on the Guerin goal in the Pens game. In the same stretch of games, I’ve seen Poti make about 10 times that number of mistakes.
Corvo doesn’t have to be Mike Green 2.0, he just needs to be better than Erskine, ShaMo, Sloan and Juice (when he’s healthy), and he does that by a wide margin.
There's a fine line between arrogance and ignorance and only I manage to erase that line.
I’ve seen Corvo make a number of good defensive plays in our own zone. His trouble seems to come from being caught up ice or getting out of position on a turnover by trying to jump into the play too early. Makes me think some of it is just an adjustment he needs to make in his style. He has not been that bad in our own zone. Aside from his famous hip check,s Potsy would get beat on the boards FAR too easily. Also his puck moving skills pale in comparison to Corvo’s.
Although I do think saying he’s our 2nd best breakout passer behind Green might be leaving a certain Real American Hero out to dry.
I don’t think Corvo is playing as sound defensively as he could be, but that’s been true of a lot of people lately. I also never liked the idea of pairing him with Poti.
by Davethecapsfan on Mar 28, 2010 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions
i’ve got pothier missing a combined 17 games with undisclosed injuries this season before the caps moved him (dec 9 – jan 7, and jan 13 – 27). on top of that, he was healthy scratched 5 times by my count. that’s a huge chunk of games on the shelf, regardless of the impetus.
by Natty Bumppo on Mar 28, 2010 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly. Nice research. He also had regular benchings under Hanlon (who basically said he needed to sit to regain his focus) and in OTT. At first people thought he was just young, but he’s past that point now.
Killer_Carlson and Steckel Me Elmo are like brothers to me. And when I say brothers I don't mean like actual brothers. I mean it like how black people use it, which is more meaningful, I think.
As I pointed out at the time of the trade, per GvT (sure, it’s only one metric), the Caps gave up the better player plus a relatively high pick in exchange for the inferior player.
Unimpressed with Corvo.
GVT doesn’t count the fact that Corvo was injured most of the year. It’s not going to be accurate in this instance. At all.
Killer_Carlson and Steckel Me Elmo are like brothers to me. And when I say brothers I don't mean like actual brothers. I mean it like how black people use it, which is more meaningful, I think.
by Rob Parker on Mar 28, 2010 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
rec’d. misuse of GVT by my understanding of the stat (a counting stat not a rate stat). corvo had missed 28 games (via the alzner skate blade injury) compared to pothier’s 22 (via the two injuries + 5 healthy scratches). 6 extra games will give you a big bump in GVT.
by Natty Bumppo on Mar 28, 2010 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
And I believe BtN relies heavily on plus/minus in a lot of their stats so obviously Potsy playing on the Caps would have an advantage over Corvo and CAR, but I’m not positive that it’s true in this case.
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there’s an adjusted plus-minus factor hidden somewhere in the GVT, but don’t ask me to write it out! (more here.)
to give some balance, though, GVT also favors the player with more ice time per game, so corvo’s 24:08/game compared to pothier’s 19:08/game somewhat closes the gap on the difference in games played. really i think the biggest difference is the teams they were skating for. carolina was just such a mess.
by Natty Bumppo on Mar 28, 2010 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions
the whole purpose of GvT is to take the team context out of the comparison. Admittedly that’s hard to do, and I’m not here to defend that it works completely, but it does manage to find Jokinen, Eric Staal and Pitkanen to be highly valuable players this year, to name three ’canes.
GvT doesn’t really pass the sniff test across teams. Earlier in the season, Flash was considerably more valuable (according to GvT) than Shea Weber or Ryan Suter, despite having played in fewer games. Not buying it as an effective tool outside of individual teams, or teams that have a similar scoring makeup and distribution.
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by Knee high to a duck on Mar 29, 2010 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow, as much as I’m impressed by the rhetorical device “at all” as it’s own sentence, you could calculate GvT per game — imagine that, that’s even what I did at the time of the trade! Better yet, adjust to per game x 82 to see what a season value looks like and see the meaning of the spread that’s hard to appreciate at the per game level.
Corvo: 1.9 in 34 games = 4.6 per 82 games
Pothier: 3.1 in 41 games = 6.2
1. Games played are closer than you imply
2. Pothier is 35% more productive by this metric than Corvo. That’s pretty big. To put that in perspective that’s much more than the difference b/t Knuble and Flash. That’s Knuble vs. Downie or Selanne or Stoll.
3. While Corvo has been injured, Pothier is playing his first hockey in a couple of years. Not sure either is relevant since the trade was just for the rest of the season, but since you raise corvo’s injury…
4. Corvo got slightly more TOI than Pothier did, which is not corrected for above.
5. I doubt anyone’s still reading this thread! ’-)
Now, in fairness to Corvo, he’s so far producing in DC at exactly the same level Pothier was when he was here. But we didn’t need to give up a #2 just to tread water.
If you think Corvo is treading water with Potsy then I don’t know what else to tell you. Potsy is a poor man’s Corvo.
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okay first of all, 3 of the pucks that went in today were off deflections and if nothing else, fluky. another was from a screen, and the other one, was still a great pass and one time shot in the slot. 2nd of all, can you guys chill out a bit on being so hard on Corvo?? The team is still 8-2-3 since he got here, we have lost only 5 games in regulation at home all year, and we have 3 starters (bmo, smo, and laich) out with injuries, not to mention scotty walker, who would have been perfect for this type of game. Not to mention, the team did put in tremendous effort. How quickly we forget what it is like to be in the bottom of the league….Give the guys some breaks and forgive them the mental lapse or 2 or whatever. No one will care about this game in 2 weeks. Calgary HAD to win this game today. Sometimes games are won by the more desperate team. It is just human nature. I am sure BB will have a very good game plan and a stable roster for the most part once the PO’s start, and considering we just won 14 in a row like 6 weeks ago, how about giving EVERY Caps player a little grace. While the Caps were at home watching the Eastern Conference finals the last few years, Corvo was actually playing in one last year, and in the Cup finals a couple years before that. Sometimes pucks go in the net and teams have bad games—no matter who is on the ice. Its not like we are losing 6-1 every night and he is falling all over the place…And if you want to be honest and fair, Ovie shirks his defensive responsibilities and is nonchalant at times too—until he gets the puck.
by lifetime caps fan on Mar 29, 2010 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions
You had to watch a game worth of Erskine and you come away thinking Corvo sucks?
Erskine is a giveaway waiting to happen. Corvo is our best breakout passer after Green.
Just because Erskine runs all over the ice and looks as though he’s doing something productive doesn’t mean he’s any good. Just because Corvo isn’t running all over the ice doesn’t mean he’s not doing his job.
There's a fine line between arrogance and ignorance and only I manage to erase that line.
This.
I think Corvo is making a concious effort to slow his game down so he doesn’t turn the game over, at the sacrifice of some of his stretch passing and offensive ability.
But then some games, he pinches in the offensive zone and lets a puck by, or pinches and gets a goal
It’s a tough balancing act for Corvo on the Caps, I think he’ll have it down soon.
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Yes, Erskine is a giveaway waiting to happen, but not happening too much lately. I’m not a huge Erskine fan, believe me, but he has not totally sucked lately either.
Corvo may be our second best breakout passer, but he has be a detriment defensively which may be more important come playoff time.
Corvo and caps D
I am/was a huge Pothier fan and I think Corvo is better right now.
Potsy just didn’t come back the same player after his injury, I don’t know if it was the layoff, lack of confidence, or what but his monster numbers just weren’t there this season. Pothier was prone to getting beat or making mental mistakes that led to the Caps being pinned in the zone for way, way too long at times.
Corvo plays a little too casual and not physical enough, but he’s able to clear the zone and take some minutes away from Green.
Caps top 4 D Green Poti ShaMo Schultz; out of Pothier Corvo Erskine Carlson and Jurcina I think the best two options are Corvo and Carlson. It actually highlights the Caps depth and BB’s problem: each of those guys fits a role and can play like a top-4 D man SOME nights.
Juice simply is not reliable in the playoffs. Too many bad penalties, and the occasional mental mistake. Erskine has a great playoff style physicality but can get overmatched with speed. Carlson doesn’t have the offensive aspects of his game clicking yet, but when he does he’ll be better than Corvo. Corvo again makes mistakes, doesn’t play physical, but has playoff experience and sooner or later will start scoring again.
A BOTTOM 2 pairing of C and C is pretty damn good. Schultz ShaMo and Poti give you all the physical shutdown guys you need, having Corvo instead of Pothier is a step up strictly in terms of breakouts and offensive upside. Next season Carlson can take over Corvo’s role and we can go back to having hte #6 guy by committee
While I generally agree with your first point, I disagree with this:
Juice simply is not reliable in the playoffs. Too many bad penalties, and the occasional mental mistake. Erskine has a great playoff style physicality but can get overmatched with speed.
Last year in the playoffs, Erskine took 4 more minutes of penalties in two fewer games while dishing out 13 fewer hits and blocking fewer shots. In fairness, I should mention that Erskine did skate more minutes when he played. Juice was also third on the team in +/- at +6, while Erskine was seventh at +1 (whatever that’s worth). And Juice potted two goals. Juice was actually pretty damn good in the playoffs last year, and was likewise good during the Olympics.
I agree with you that our bottom pairing ought to be ShaMo and Carlson, and I’d rather Juice watch from the press box, but if it’s a choice between Juice and Erskine, that choice is easy. This team doesn’t need physicality, they need guys who can get the puck out of our end and to the forwards with speed so that we can generate chances off the rush. Corvo does that better than anyone else on this team other than Green.
Multiple sources (including Ovie himself) have pointed out that his two toughest defensive opponents are Kimmo Timmonen and Andrei Markov, neither of whom is a big, physical defenseman. They are both great skaters with active sticks and great positioning. They don’t take stupid penalties, and when they get the puck on their stick, it gets out of the zone under control. That’s how you shut down the opposition.
Next year, our D ought to be Green/Schultz, Alznerson, and Poti/whomever. I dearly hope “whomever” isn’t John Erskine, but since he’s under contract, it’ll likely be him until the trade deadline.
There's a fine line between arrogance and ignorance and only I manage to erase that line.
I agree with you that our bottom pairing ought to be ShaMo and Carlson, and I’d rather Juice watch from the press box
So does this mean I won the great Shamo v. Juice debates of 2009?
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Tough game for anyone to have to recap, DMG. Good stuff.
Gonna disagree on Q though. I really do not enjoy watching him play the game.
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Caps could've had a couple in the first period
but Kiprusoff was amazing and made some acrobatic saves.
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by Area 51 Forever on Mar 28, 2010 7:16 PM EDT reply actions
One of the shots was a heckuva shot by Ovechkin… he had to make a tough save on it
Let's go Caps!
by MikeL-Pivonka on Mar 28, 2010 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions
That was another one, which doesn’t count as a shot on goal
by Davethecapsfan on Mar 28, 2010 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions
The Flames’ first goal was a perfect example of how putting an emphasis on hitting can make a defenseman less effective. If John Erskine turns his attention to the play in front of the net rather than trying to nail Rene Bourque, maybe he’s there in time to prevent Ales Kotalik from putting the rebound behind Jose Theodore.
I totally agree with the defenders needing to avoid taking themselves out of position to hit (I’m looking at you, Brooks Orpik). The caveat being in Erskine’s case, he may not have the footspeed to make it to Kotalik and tie up his stick in time. More reason to never, ever see him in a playoff sweater.
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by Knee high to a duck on Mar 28, 2010 7:17 PM EDT reply actions
Definitely, there were a few plays he got totally burned by the Flames.
One play I remember specifically, was a dump by Calgary, Erskine had the jump on one of the Flames yet looked like he was in cement relative to the incoming forward. To my surprise, he lost the foot race, and the winger took the puck straight to the net. Luckily Varly made a nice save on the puck
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This is why, when the Caps are healthy, that Erskine should never get a sweater on any sort of regular basis.
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by The Ghost of Bebop on Mar 28, 2010 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions
For sure, whenever Erskine is in, it is almost like 2 steps down from what our defense could be at
1 level being the spot filled by a respectable defender
the 2nd being the actual defender who was injured. . .even if it is just ShaMo
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So then why wasn’t TSloan out there? I’ll say it—I like Sloan as the 7th guy better than Erskine.
by bilspacecadet on Mar 28, 2010 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions
And I like Sloan better than Q on 4W. Listen up Sloan Lobby: I wish he had dressed today.
Killer_Carlson and Steckel Me Elmo are like brothers to me. And when I say brothers I don't mean like actual brothers. I mean it like how black people use it, which is more meaningful, I think.
Erskine’s physicality notwithstanding, he is simply too slow to play at this level. That is all; there is nothing more.
It's the Caps . . . First team to 4, wins.
by ChrisAm on Mar 28, 2010 7:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
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"Hey anyway I can get my name out there 30 years from now is great," Steckel said. "They will be like, ‘Who was that guy?’ Then they’ll look at the stats and say, ‘Well, at least that guy was really good on face-offs.’"
BB with some great comments on “booing”
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/capitalsinsider/
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I usually am not a fan of booing the home team…especially during such a successful season. But they definitely deserved it today.
Yeah, I’m with you. I would be booing too if I shelled out money for a ticket and witnessed a period that crappy.
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by The Ghost of Bebop on Mar 28, 2010 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know, I didn’t feel it rose to the level of booing. Maybe if it was two periods of crap. Did someone forget to set the team’s alarm clocks? I haven’t seen a period of hockey that bad in I don’t know how long.
"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."
Players had a bad day, can’t the fans simultaneously have one?
Killer_Carlson and Steckel Me Elmo are like brothers to me. And when I say brothers I don't mean like actual brothers. I mean it like how black people use it, which is more meaningful, I think.
No.
It’s easier not to boo than it is to win every game. I don’t understand the mentality behind booing the best team in the NHL, a team that works its collective ass off for the most part every game.
Bad effort once in a while does not deserve booing.
The keyboard is mightier.
I think the point though is that they weren’t working their asses off after 20 minutes, hence the booing. I’d like to say I wouldn’t boo in that situation, but I probably would’ve joined in if I had to sit through that crap.
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To further the point, these guys are adults. They should be able to handle some boos after a period in which they get outscored 4-0. This isn’t little league. They shouldn’t need a pat on the back when they don’t come to play.
by Kolzilla on Mar 28, 2010 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
if i booed , which i was not there, it would be strictly to motivate them. some people boo with the hopes that the guys go in the locker room and feel a little embarrassed and come back even harder. when you are in the stands, there really is no other way to communicate to the players besides booing, cheering, or clapping….the fans have been great so if they booed , on a day when they were hoping to watch us clinch the EC on home ice, for being down 4-0 after 1 period, i think they could be forgiven. they were not booing the entire season . they watched one period and booed.
by lifetime caps fan on Mar 29, 2010 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions
I didn’t boo. I don’t find that a useful way to motivate at all. I’m more of “unleash the fury” kind of motivator.
We’ve been to every home game and to boo after witnessing so many truly great games in an amazing season is just plain silly IMO. I’m not there just to be entertained—I and my family are with this team through thick and thin—and frankly some days the guys are going to have a bad game. We all have them and I don’t expect athletes to be any different. As Knuble said, they just have to put the game behind them and move on.
by capsyoungguns on Mar 29, 2010 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions
I didn’t get to my seat until the first intermission, but I don’t get all the vitriol over fans booing. Just because the team has only lost 5 games at home this year doesn’t mean they didn’t play a horrid 20 minutes of hockey in the first period. I’m not cheering or booing your entire season every time I clap and yell in a game, I’m cheering or booing for what I’ve just seen happen on the ice in that game. I assume other fans at the game also live for the game they’re watching at the time and aren’t taking a whole season into account before every decision to clap, cheer, or boo.
I agree that cheering and booing are the fans only means of communicating with the players. Does Boudreau seriously expect them to cheer at the end of a period like that? Give us SOME credit- the fans can tell when the Caps aren’t putting out the effort. There was no booing (that I heard) after the 2nd and 3rd when the Caps put forth more effort, and there have been games where the Caps were down after one or two where the fans didn’t boo because the effort was there or maybe because the team wasn’t so far out of the game. The fans booed after the first on Sunday to communicate to the players their displeasure with the way they played that period. The only time I see a problem is if fans are still booing when the team comes back out on the ice, which they didn’t. They still cheered when they came out to start the 2nd, and a bit more enthusiastically at the start of the 3rd.
While I know fans were disappointed, I would disagree with anyone who booed at the end of the game after the effort they put forward in the 3rd, but spoiled, high expectations, or no, they deserved to hear it from the fans after that first 20.
Good to know the the Arbiters of Acceptable Fan Behavior are on the lookout!
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by The Ghost of Bebop on Mar 28, 2010 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Sat in 426 for the first time. Thought they were great seats, until the jerk in the back kept yelling “Schultz you suck” and the entire row in front of us leaned through the whole game. And it sounded like over half the section was booing at the end of the 1st period too.
I’ll be glad to be sitting back in my crappy seat in 427 Tuesday night. I miss those drunks!
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I was sitting in 427 today. I didn’t even know what people were booing about at first so I am glad I did not join in. Unfortunatly there were people in 427 also leaning closer to the front…
I was saying boo-urns.
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by D'ohboy on Mar 28, 2010 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
They're professionals
They can take it!
. . .
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by HolyJumpin on Mar 28, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Mattingly! I told you to shave those sideburns!
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by The Ghost of Bebop on Mar 28, 2010 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Definitely not a fan of the booing.
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Oh please. The effort level in the first period was unacceptable and the fans let them know it. It’s not like they were just a little off or were outplayed by a better team – they didn’t show up at all. What are the fans supposed to do, cheer? Bullshit. I’m a little disappointed that BB chose to whine about the fans rather than get pissed off at his own team/himself for not being prepared.
Oh please. God forbid they have one off period.
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Nice straw man. No one is expecting the Caps to be perfect, but by the same token no one is expecting the Caps to look completely disinterested and give up four goals in a period to a non-playoff team, either.
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by The Ghost of Bebop on Mar 28, 2010 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m going for satire, calm yourself.
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by The Ghost of Bebop on Mar 28, 2010 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions
His ISDs if you will.
I have to go with Bebop here. They are professional atheletes and put in a bad period, Boo if you want too. Hell, it was prolly good for them.
What do you think their reaction was?
Aww man, they don’t like us anymore there booing us!
I hate everyone in the stadium! We are trying so hard! Why are they booing?
or, Shit, we must’ve played a really bad period if our fans are booing us.
I am saying the last one; although, because I am using Schultz inner monologue as an example, he was prolly some mix of 2 and 3
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Shit, we must’ve played a really bad period if our fans are booing us.
You really think they needed the booing to know that? Booing is wasted breath and negative energy. If you really think the fans can effect the player’s mentality and will to win, why not be positive and supportive?
Moments like these are examples of why the DC fanbase is called fickle. The booing is a sign of the “here today, gone tomorrow” bandwagonning mentality. Of course they’re pros and they can take it, but I don’t see what good comes of it.
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by breed16 on Mar 28, 2010 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I wouldn’t boo myself, but it is the fan’s right to.
It is disrespectful, but it’s not like Caps fans do it often. I think this is the first time they’ve boo’d the team.
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Not the first time, definitely happens less and less now that the team is atop the NHL. But what happens when the Caps inevitably hit a little losing streak, and play badly for more than 20 minutes at a time? Are people going to boo until their red in the face? And then stop going entirely? History says yes. It’s why the booing irritates me.
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I wasn’t really taking it within the scope of people leaving. . .
people are stupid, let them be stupid. Those kinds of people that boo’d and will leave the team if they are bad once again are stupid.
But i dare say there were some dedicated fans booing too, if they want to, let them
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It’s not just that they played a bad 20 minutes, it’s that they didn’t even get to the game until the second period.
You guys are making it sound like the score was 1-0 after the first and the shots were even. This wasn’t a hockey game. When the highest scoring team in the league only gets 4 shots on goal, they may as well have the Stingrays playing.
If they’re on a losing streak I have no problem with that so long as they show up to play each period. The regular season isn’t over and they still need 7 points to lock up the president’s trophy, ovie needs some help to get the richard and ross. They have stuff to play for and I’d prefer the team not to backslide into the playoffs. A couple losses on the way is inevitable and this loss may have woken them up.
Never booed before, but they deserved it tonight.
/wasn’t at game, didn’t have the opportunity.
Suspend Colin Campbell!
Rec’ing for the last ’graph. Booing crap periods is now apparently as approved of as throwing hats at shootout goals, or wearing astronaut outfits to games.
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by Bald Pollack on Mar 28, 2010 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know why people get so bent out of shape over a Washington hat trick. I kind of like it. Being a purist, dude, it is just no fun.
Which other fan base’s opinion do you care about? Yankee fans and Habs fans boo. Plenty of fan bases boo. This isn’t a black mark on the Caps fans.
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I don’t care about any other fanbases, and just want ours to be better than that nonsense.
Additionally (as I’m remembering it now), a mock cheer for Varlamov’s second shot was an additional sign of FAIL.
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by Bald Pollack on Mar 29, 2010 7:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah the mock cheer was lame. And to be clear, I was silent for almost the entire game. The only three times I broke my scowl were to say “that’s fucking bullshit” when Green got his PIM, and to cheer for AO and MP’s goals. Other than that I just sat staring at my TV wondering when to turn it off. But if I had been at the game and drunk, I probably would have been hurling F bombs instead of booing.
Killer_Carlson and Steckel Me Elmo are like brothers to me. And when I say brothers I don't mean like actual brothers. I mean it like how black people use it, which is more meaningful, I think.
Yeah, I’m more a swearer than a booer. Always have been.
I was also about 18 hours from another DC team shitting the bed, so I’m kinda salty in general right now.
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by Bald Pollack on Mar 29, 2010 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions
It was pretty clear early on that they weren’t bringing it. We were either going to lose or have a CHI-esque third period. By 4-0 I knew the answer so I wasn’t even getting that worked up.
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It has nothing to do with being fickle. NY and Philly are “great” fanbases that boo way more often than the Caps fans ever do, and for considerably less. When the team gets completely dominated the way they did, not because they aren’t as good as the opponent but because they don’t care they deserve to have fans express their opinion with a chorus of boos.
we're not gonna allow someone like Downie to go after him.
by Sct112 on Mar 28, 2010 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
No. No. No. The reason the DC fanbase is the joke of the league and the sporting world is because of yelling things like “Who Cares!?” when the team is down 3-0 not but 10 minutes into the game. It’s because fans throw hats on the ice during the shoot-out. It’s because of several other reasons. But for booing the best team in the NHL for playing like absolute crap for 20 minutes? Not so much. Every team in the league is booed by their fanbase when they play like that. And I use the word play loosely.
by Yoshietree on Mar 28, 2010 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
There is a difference between not booing and being apathetic. You can be pissed, and not boo at the same time. Imagine that!
Every team in the league does not get booed after a bad period. I would venture to guess very few do, in fact. The situation is especially unique today: a fanbase that has proven time and again to be fair-weathered, and when the team being booed is the best in the league currently. As I said in a comment above, what will the booers do when bad play persists for longer than a period?
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I feel that it’s the individuals right to boo if they feel that the on ice product is unsatisfactory. The first period sucked, I still didn’t boo, because I expect ups and downs within the season and this is largely irrelevant. The Flames are a very motivated team right now, the Caps just plain aren’t.
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They can boo from home if they’re upset they spent money on the tickets. I’ll gladly pay for them instead.
by Davethecapsfan on Mar 28, 2010 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I booed. I wasn’t upset that I spent the money on tickets. I was upset that the team was playing like crap.
Hey that’s your right, you paid for the seat. I’ll exercise my opinion in thinking that’s very fair weather fan of ya. Is what it is.
by Davethecapsfan on Mar 28, 2010 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions
The worry is those same fans are the ones who won’t continue showing up or supporting the team if the lean years come around again after the Ovechkin Era.
When your fanbase has been ridiculed over and over because even after a trip to the Finals half the arena was empty a few years later, I think it’s a fair concern to wonder if someone booing a bad 20 minutes in only the 5 home regulation loss of the entire year is one of those fans.
Some will choose to boo, I just hope their tender hearts can take it when times aren’t as great.
by Davethecapsfan on Mar 28, 2010 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed.
Booing this team on this game is a sign of the fair-weather mentality. Doesn’t mean everyone who boos is…
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I’ve been going to games since 1978. There have been plenty of good reasons to boo. (especially in the late 70’s -early 80’s). Back then we booed our ass off! This whole booing, fair weather thing is a bit of an overreaction IMO.
A big accomplishment for the franchise was 50 consecutive sellouts recently. Barely more than a single season.
Overreaction? I’m hoping the support the team now currently enjoys sticks. Of course there are plenty of bridges in the area people can jump off if they feel the need to after bad periods…
by Davethecapsfan on Mar 28, 2010 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn’t say that is “fair weather fan”
It’s displeasure that the team came out on the ice playing super flat, like they didn’t want it.
Its almost like when the Colts benched Peyton Manning.
The fans payed to see the the on-field product (on-ice) and were dissapointed with the main player got pulled or didnt start.
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I’ll say this – if the people who were booing today aren’t going to come back when the team loses two in a row, I’ll take those tickets off their hands. And if the Caps play another effortless period like they did today when I use those tickets? I’ll boo the shit out of them for it, but I’ll keep coming back :).
arent like 5 guys out injured right now?? hard to prepare when the lines keep shifting every single day….and to that point, they need to settle on a more definite lineup and ride it out for the next 2 weeks, injury risk be damned….
by lifetime caps fan on Mar 29, 2010 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh, and does anyone mind if I wear my tin hat this evening? Man, the referees were horrid once again. Is it going to take someone getting hurt to get a call?
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I think it was suggested before, but it appears that Semin has a reputation as a diver now.
by Gin and Tonic on Mar 28, 2010 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s not just on Semin. I lost track. Also, I’m often not good at catching numbers when stuff happens.
And I guess MP85 is just too small, so no one could possibly make a penalty against him.
"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."
I realize that. I just didn’t want to go down the “the ref hate the Caps” path again.
Between the calls I saw at the game against the Pens and then today, one really has to scratch one’s head about what is going on.
by Gin and Tonic on Mar 28, 2010 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Hence I prefaced the whole thing with wearing the tin foil hat. It just gets exasperating some times. I know the refs are only human, but when things happen right in front of them, you just want to scream. I’m sure it’s the same in other arenas at times.
"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."
Oh definitely, i took it upon myself to see if this was going on in other games, and it rly isnt. There are tons of discrepencies between the 0 min 2 min and 5 mins for boarding calls, too the point of insanity. There are the ones in our games, especially against the Pens, that went with out calls, and there was one that got a game misconduct for nothing more than a slight push.
I have my tinfoil hat on right now, there have been a few egregious calls made; however, there have only been a few that are completely, justifiably wrong, many are HORRIBLE judgement, but you know, it is the ref’s discretion.
The egregious errors that i worry about are the countless ones not called against the opposing team. The refs are not keeping the games safe at all, the past few teams (especially the pens) got away with soo many indiscretions against the Caps and it is going to get someone injured eventually.
/tinfoil’d
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Yea, I felt like we went back to all the pre-lockout clutching and grabbing tonight. I thought there should have been a bunch of things called, but it was called like a typical playoff game (Typical playoff game as in they let a lot of stuff go, not so much inconsistent calling. Although that kinda happens too, doesn’t it?), so might as well get used to it.
Yeah, but it seemed to be all one-way. The tripping call on Flash was identical to a play where Semin was tripped with no call.
The Nystrom hit should have been a charge.
The Sarich hit should have been a major for boarding and should have earned him an instigator on the fight too.
by Gin and Tonic on Mar 28, 2010 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Too bad no one holds the refs accountable for horrible calls except Burrows ;D
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by kingzman264 on Mar 28, 2010 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Semin would have drawn a penalty had he not had the reputation…
Let's go Caps!
by MikeL-Pivonka on Mar 28, 2010 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Horrid is pretty strong. They could have given sarich a double for boarding and the call on green was a head scratcher too. However they also could have called backs for boarding iggy too. Really no impact on the game IMO. I do wonder why nystrom didn’t get called fir leaving his feet vs green. Doesn’t get much clearer than that.
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by dcsportsfan1 on Mar 28, 2010 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions
The real travesty was Orpik getting away with the headhunting against BMo.
THAT was some dangerous shit right there, and he cleared atleast a foot
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There isn’t a double minor for boarding in the rulebook…
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by IRockTheRed on Mar 28, 2010 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Man, the referees were horrid once again. Is it going to take someone getting hurt to get a call?
The Flames took more PIMS than the Caps did tonight, even if you wash out the coincidental majors.
/Just saying
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by Bald Pollack on Mar 28, 2010 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions
The worst call was the on the tripping/interference in the first immediately followed by the Green “Closing the Hand on the Puck” penalty. It was a huge swing in the game at a point where none of the bounces were going the Caps’ way.
Other than that, it looked to me as though the Caps were tired and the Flames got really, really lucky.
There's a fine line between arrogance and ignorance and only I manage to erase that line.
Actually, I didn’t like the hand closing over the puck call, but from my vantage point, I can accept being wrong at any time. Seems to me I see worse during games all the time that they get away with.
"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."
Why do the caps seem to get called obscure things like that? It’s maybe the first time I’ve seen that.
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And it shouldn’t have been called in the instances we saw it. It’s meant to stop guys grabbing the puck to slow play down, or get a stoppage, not when they move the puck along like Greenie did today.
67.2 Minor Penalty – Player – A player shall be permitted to catch the puck out of the air but must immediately place it or knock it down to the ice. If he catches it and skates with it, either to avoid a check or to gain a territorial advantage over his opponent, a minor penalty shall be assessed for "closing his hand on the puck".
Green caught the puck on the ice and played it to gain a territorial advantage. It was the right call…
Let's go Caps!
by MikeL-Pivonka on Mar 28, 2010 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions
79.1 Hand Pass – A player shall be permitted to stop or "bat" a puck in the
air with his open hand, or push it along the ice with his hand, and the
play shall not be stopped unless, in the opinion of the on-ice officials,
he has directed the puck to a teammate, or has allowed his team to
gain an advantage, and subsequently possession and control of the
puck is obtained by a player of the offending team, either directly or
deflected off any player or official.
I disagree. The next part is basically the same paragraph you just quoted, but it does state catching the puck and skating with it; Greenie didn’t do that. Hand passes are allowed in your own defensive zone:
79.2 Defending Zone – Play will not be stopped for any hand pass by
players in their own defending zone. A hand pass in the defending
zone is considered to have occurred when both the player making the
pass and the player receiving the pass have both of their skates inside
their defending zone.
I don’t recall if the pass was completed in his own zone or not, but it was a hand pass.
Pushing the puck is allowed, but Green didn’t push it… he covered it first and then slid it along the ice, he did make a hand pass after he covered it and shifted it. He definitely gained a territorial advantage…
Let's go Caps!
by MikeL-Pivonka on Mar 28, 2010 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions
No way. You need a better replay. He never caught it. It was on the ice and he put his hand on it and swiped it back through his legs (but not to a Penguin in the slot). Terrible call. It takes a blatant puck toss to draw that call normally.
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LOL i was just about to say that i remember that happening in the POs last year.
then i read your comment again. . .
and cried a bit =’(
Oh and, the refs are looking worse and worse lately in our games, but not too bad in the other games i’ve watched. . .tinfoil
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by kingzman264 on Mar 28, 2010 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions
If he catches it and skates with it
This is the key part. I’ve never seen that penalty called unless a player blatantly takes several strides with the puck in his hand. Green most certainly did not do that.
I don’t think it decided the game, but it sure as hell didn’t help coming on the heels of a blown tripping call in the other end.
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From where I was sitting, Green’s play could be used to demonstrate what closing the hand is all about. He covered the puck, slid it a bit to avoid an opponent’s play, then tossed to a teammate. It was the right call…
Let's go Caps!
by MikeL-Pivonka on Mar 28, 2010 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I should have clarified: the non-call on the tripping/interference. There should have been a call behind the Flames goal.
There's a fine line between arrogance and ignorance and only I manage to erase that line.
Complaining about the officiating will go nowhere. Plenty of that went on during the Pens series last year. It is what it is. Plan for it, and figure out how to win however the game is called.
by Davethecapsfan on Mar 28, 2010 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Some of the offside calls were head scratchers too.
by Gin and Tonic on Mar 28, 2010 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Observations from Section 421
What, there was a game at 3? Who knew?
- Apparently someone forgot to tell Corvo, Erskine, Green, and Poti. Carlson can be forgiven a bit, as he’s 20 and made a couple of rookie mistakes, and Sarge did play pretty well.
- Despite the fact that Theo was left on his own for the 10 minutes he was in there, he really let in some softies. The first goal was one he should have had, ditto for the third. The second was a bit of a trick shot so he can be forgiven since he had no help at all.
- Varly was very workmanlike in his effort. Nothing too spectacular, nothing too bad let up. Of course, since he let up goal #4, he gets tagged with the loss.
- Kipper had his moments, but he also had some WTF moments too… he’s still recovering from the Olympics.
- Note to Jarome Iginla: Hockey is a rough sport, Nick Backstrom hit you cleanly in the third period. Deal with it.
- Note to Cory Sarich: Uh, what’s with the vendetta against Chimera?
- Note to Eric Nystrom: Your dad was a better player, he wouldn’t have his head down at center ice so he could get wiped out by Mike Green.
- Awesome shot be Ovechkin to get the Caps on the board. He really blasted that one and just missed a couple of others. Perreault’s goal was a shot that Ovie just missed…
All in all, the Caps had a bad first half of the first, but from that point on they outplayed Calgary… unfortunately they allowed 3 goals in the first 10 and the hole was too big to dig out from.
Ottawa, I suspect, will be the ones feeling the wrath of this team Tuesday night…
Let's go Caps!
Eric Nystrom paid back Green and probably got the better of the two hits. Sure, his dad was better, but Nystrom works his ass off to stay in the NHL and plays his game to a T. If he gets Green to fight him there he goes to the bench a hero. He didn’t do anything dirty, he didn’t act like a baby. I don’t like seeing Green get tagged like that but there’s no need to knock Nystrom for any of that.
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Nystrom did try to goad Green into a fight after the hit… it was a clean hit. His dad wouldn’t have gotten nailed like that, had Green’s number and paid him back.
Sure Nystrom worked hard, but when you get hit, you get your payback later… you don’t try to get a fight. Green isn’t going to fight anyone…
Let's go Caps!
by MikeL-Pivonka on Mar 28, 2010 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions
He did get his payback later – he absolutely crushed Green after a dump-in.
There's a fine line between arrogance and ignorance and only I manage to erase that line.
Right… he didn’t need to do any of the silliness after getting hit first…
Let's go Caps!
by MikeL-Pivonka on Mar 28, 2010 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Meh. He tried to goad him into a fight. Not a big deal.
There's a fine line between arrogance and ignorance and only I manage to erase that line.
He should know Green isn’t going to fight and just skip the posturing.
Let's go Caps!
by MikeL-Pivonka on Mar 28, 2010 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually Green did fight Upshall over some shit like that, and if Nystrom could get him to do it again he’d be in his coach’s favor. He just offered, he didn’t take an instigator or force the fight.
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He did… and I bet Bruce pointed out to Green that he shouldn’t be doing that, which is why he likely won’t drop the gloves again…
Personally I could do without the posturing and all that… it seems silly, especially after a clean hit.
Let's go Caps!
by MikeL-Pivonka on Mar 29, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I know. I get the clean hit thing. I complain about it all the time. But Nystrom didn’t drop ‘em, he didn’t grab Green, he just offered. That happens all the time, and quite frankly I wish the Caps had more guys that would make that offer once in a while.
Killer_Carlson and Steckel Me Elmo are like brothers to me. And when I say brothers I don't mean like actual brothers. I mean it like how black people use it, which is more meaningful, I think.
GotSparkly had a bad feeling about today’s game this morning. Obviously, Gotsparkly was right.
Next question is directed go GotSparkly. What is the Caps’ record when Gotsparkly has a bad feeling about the game.
My own comments on the game. Very very ugly first period. The team laid an egg. We did NOT have good goal tending. When will the Varly of old return? When will Brooks Laich return?
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Varly was fine. The first goal he allowed in might have been stoppable, but the second was not on him.
Even atheists believe in Matt Wieters
When will the Varly of old return?
Hard to believe we’re all looking for that from a kid who just turned 21…
Let's go Caps!
by MikeL-Pivonka on Mar 28, 2010 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, I know. He’s not as bad as he was when he just came back from the injury but he’s still not in top form yet.
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He needs more game action… no doubt about it.
Let's go Caps!
by MikeL-Pivonka on Mar 28, 2010 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Booing
I’m not one to boo a team like the caps who have otherwise played very well at home. And if they had gone down 3 or 4 goals in the first due to the play of the other teams goalie and not due to their lackadasical play, I would say booing is totally out of line. But the bottom line is that this fanbase has high expectations for this team. And while inthink most fans can accept drop offs in play here or there, peformances like the first period should be unacceptable. Many fans remember how the team limped into the playoffs last year and almost got bounced by a clearly inferior rags team. I think we all know that playing seven game series all the time isn’t a recipe for playoff success.
So while I personally wouldn’t have booed the team after one today, I understand why others did. I hope the team does as well.
Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...
RE: Booing
While I hear the arguments from those who say fans who pay should be able to behave as they wish, not to mention the arguments from those who suggest that the Caps’ performance in the first period tonight against Calgary was so bad that the booing is understandable or even acceptable, I’m just not buying it.
As others have said, booing the home team is almost never a good thing. And particularly not when your home team is the 2009-10 Caps, who’ve given this fanbase (newbies and old hands alike) a regular season to remember.
While I’m certainly not happy with the effort shown in the first period today—and I recognize that this is unfortunately periodic—I think positive reinforcement (cheering, chanting, encouragement) is worth trying before negative (booing).
Please. Why is booing almost never a good thing? Because it leads to bad consequences? Psychiatric disturbance for the booer? Distancing from other fans? Bad karma? Bad attitude? Do people kick their dog when they go home? Drive agressively on the way home?
Hell, I spent most of my youth booing the Chicago Bears off the field in the 70s. Booing after the first period today was entirely appropriate and entirely deserved. It wasn’t like people threw rubber chickens at them or something.
Do they really give a damn anyway? I am sure Mike Green is crying all the way home in his Bentley.
Acceptable fan responses...so the rage
Look, it’s one thing to come out and say they had a horrible effort in the first 20 minutes. It doesn’t take a staggering amount of knowledge about the game to come up with that gem. I guarantee you they are aware of how they played in the 1st. Personally I don’t ever boo my teams…except every time (yes I mean even the first time) Mark Brunell ran out onto the field to play QB.
I guess booing makes you feel better if you spent money on a ticket and were upset we were losing. I’ll gladly pay the money instead and take your seat and cheer the team on no matter what the score is. Hard to blame the team for being less than perfect when we have so many fans who are much further from being perfect fans.
by Davethecapsfan on Mar 28, 2010 8:52 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Just of Mark Brunell :) if that wasn’t made clear, let me make it clear. And I wasn’t booing his performance, just the idea of him starting hahaha. He’s a special case.
by Davethecapsfan on Mar 28, 2010 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions
well said.
I guess I’m just more of the opinion that i don’t know that those fans are booing because they were upset we were losing. I rather think the booing was because the Caps were losing not because the other team was playing out of the minds, but because they were playing flat, playing like they didn’t want to be there, and like they didn’t want to win. That’s pretty unacceptable, regardless of the score.
But, if the fans were booing just because we were down four goals, then well, I get your point and I heartily agree.
Us having a slow start in a day game isn’t a new occurrence either. It happens to a lot of teams.
by Davethecapsfan on Mar 28, 2010 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ve gotten the impression that Sunday games tend to have a different type of fans then the rest of the week. Not sure what it is, but Sundays seem to get crowds that are first-timers or those that only venture to the rink on rare occasions. Even the players have remarked on several Sundays that the crowd wasn’t into the game.
The exception this year was Super Bowl Sunday – That crowd was great.
"It hit me on the pants. I had protection. It felt good. Why? I wanted to win."
Btw…who is still complaining about so many players on the roster after the deadline now? So much for having not enough spots and having enough depth. I hope we get a little bit healthier come playoffs.
Jersey’s getting waxed so we’re likely to clinch the East tonight anyways.
Nothing like backing into a title.
But on the bad news front, Pittsburgh won and Crosby took over the lead in goals. Grr! Yes, I know, Pitt won’t catch us even if we lose all the rest of our games but still don’t like seeing Pitt win.
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Poor Leafs and their moral victories…
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Leafs are not very good.
Only a bad team can perceive a loss to be a moral victory. I remember when the Caps were bad enough for that.
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Thanks captain obvious.
The Leafs are getting better at the very least.
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well every win for the Leafs is a step closer to giving Boston a lower pick. I’m all for cheering the Leafs to a pretty win streak the rest of the way.
For once the annual post trade deadline push is productive!
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methinks it’s more a “omg we’re finally eliminated from playoff contention?!” push than post trade deadline.
And no, I’m not a Bruins’ fan, I’m a Leafs fan, in part because my parents now live in Toronto, and I’ve been to a fair share of Leafs games with my dad.
It’s always a March thing.
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I would have not recommended the Leafs trading away their 1st pick (and other picks) for Kessel. It’s not that Kessel isn’t a good player but trading away a 1st round pick is generally a bad idea for non-playoff teams.
The way the restricted free agency works, another team signing up Backstrom would be very costly; i.e. 4 first rounders (or is it 2 firsts, 2 seconds, depending on the salary level). I don’t know the salary thresholds, off the top of my head.
It seems to be that a contending team can better take the risk of signing a restricted free agent and coughing up the draft picks.
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Some of the boo’ers are looking at you funny. “The Caps were bad enough for that?”
by Davethecapsfan on Mar 28, 2010 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Having a 14 point lead in the conference with 7 games to go is backing into a title? Did you boo today too?
by Davethecapsfan on Mar 28, 2010 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
No, I did not boo today.
But they’re “backing” into the title in the sense of clinching on a day where they lost.
That’s actually what Chicago did on Thursday night. They earned their playoff spot on a day where they really played poorly and gave up 8 goals.
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At least it won’t end up 8-3. Hopefully. THAT is a confidence killer.
by Davethecapsfan on Mar 28, 2010 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions
You left out that they’re losing to Columbus.
"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."
That is pretty humiliating. But the Caps can’t seem to beat Columbus for some reason.
I know that Hitchcock is now gone. But had he still been around for our next game with Columbus, I would be recommending making Ovi a healthy scratch. No point risking him getting injured against a team that would deliberately injure him.
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And yet how they’ve played the rest of the year is why they are in that position to force other teams to win, not themselves. It’s the same thought process as blaming an official’s call for costing the team a 1 goal game when the team could have just buried another opportunity or 2 and not had a ref’s call affect the game at all.
by Davethecapsfan on Mar 28, 2010 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Columbus just got an empty netter and the Chicago game is over. Chicago has lost 7 of their last 9 or something equally poor. They never recovered after that game we beat them in Chicago.
They blew an early lead against Detroit before our comeback as well. Major questions with them.
by Davethecapsfan on Mar 28, 2010 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions
If Chicago gets dumped in Round 1, they blame their favorite boogie man. None other than Alexander Mikhailovich Ovechkin.
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Yeah, 4-0 Flyers. And Marty B got pulled too. Not a good night to play desperate teams.
"It hit me on the pants. I had protection. It felt good. Why? I wanted to win."
We clinch #1 in the East with a Devils loss, IIRC.
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by The Ghost of Bebop on Mar 28, 2010 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Doesn’t really look like Jersey is giving Boucher a tough time, either. I think Marty probably got pulled for similar reasons that Theo got pulled. Why leave him in?
I’ll take the conference title, but it would have been nicer to have gotten it this afternoon.
"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."
Ovie needs a G-D hat trick, take back the damn art ross and rocket and be done with these races! All this suspense is killing me! Why wont he just unleash the fury!!!! dammit!!!
I would like that also. Time for Ovi and his mates to unlease the fury and get some revenge against Ottawa.
Ottawa should not be a desperate team at the moment — firmly entrenched in 5th place, 5 points out of 4th and 5 points ahead of 6th. They would have to totally collapse to fall out of the playoff picture.
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Hopefully Volchenkov doesn’t shut Ovie down either
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Ovie needs a Conn Smythe and his name on the Cup. Anything else is just extra.
by Davethecapsfan on Mar 28, 2010 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Don’t even care about the Conn Smythe. Name on the Cup is good enough.
"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."
Outside of Backstrom or maybe Semin, I don’t see a scenario where he gets his name on the Cup without him winning the Conn Smythe.
by Davethecapsfan on Mar 28, 2010 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions
You never know. It can be anyone, even someone on the losing team.
Let's go Caps!
by MikeL-Pivonka on Mar 28, 2010 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Very rarely, and usually the goalie. I don’t want to think we’ll make a goalie look that good even in defeat.
by Davethecapsfan on Mar 28, 2010 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s happened 5 times in my lifetime. No reason to believe it might not happen again. It’s for the entire playoffs.
Let's go Caps!
by MikeL-Pivonka on Mar 28, 2010 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions
True, but considering our team and the stats our stars put up, I can’t see them not giving it to whoever leads us in scoring if we win it.
by Davethecapsfan on Mar 28, 2010 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions
But don’t you hope Theo or Varly gets it?
Cause if that happens, i am sure we were all at the parade
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I could see them giving it to a goalie on the losing team. I don’t see them giving it to one of our scorers if we don’t win it. So I hope Ovie wins it, and leads all players in goals and points in the playoffs.
by Davethecapsfan on Mar 28, 2010 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t mean to disagree with you at everything. But it rarely happens. I do have to say, I think Olie should have won it in 98.
Hard to give it to Olie when we got swept. Essa Tikkanen fail.
by Davethecapsfan on Mar 28, 2010 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions
You had to bring up that name. I can see your point, but I also think that maybe the Caps shouldn’t have made it as far as they did then either.
That moment will be forever burned into my memory. Forever. Seriously cue the kid from “Sandlot” to keep saying it. Forever.
by Davethecapsfan on Mar 28, 2010 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions
We should have beaten Buffalo in 5 in the ECF. We made Hasek look so much better than he played. If any of our guys had learned to lift the puck 4 inches off the ice it never would have went to a 6th game.
by Davethecapsfan on Mar 28, 2010 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Olie was second in the balloting.
Let's go Caps!
by MikeL-Pivonka on Mar 28, 2010 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions
It may be Backstrom or Semin getting hot and getting Conn Smythe. Or what if it is -- the goal tender? If a Caps goal tender is good enough to win the Conn Smythe, would that guarantee a Caps cup?
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I was going through scenarios that had more than a .01% chance of happening :)
by Davethecapsfan on Mar 28, 2010 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Hah if theo or Varly gets a Conn Smythe then we would have won the Cup
Bah-Ram-Ewe, Ovechkin will wreck you. Fear the Furious Fleece!
I want it all! He’s soooo close! Its in his grasp! If he was way outta the races, I wouldn’t care as much, but heres there!! With 10+ less games too! I want it to go down in history as “effing amazing” not just “amazing”!
Good for Crosby if he wins it…Ovie having more assists and Crosby having more goals would certainly be a weird twist. Encouraging for both players in a way. They’re evolving. Of course the 9 less games played is a factor, but we won’t even need to talk about that. Everyone is aware of it.
by Davethecapsfan on Mar 28, 2010 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions
If Sedin wins the Ross I find it hard to believe he won’t win it. For an “underneath” guy to rise that high it’s a dead lock he’ll win it if he wins the scoring title
by Davethecapsfan on Mar 28, 2010 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I would agree like Vinn below, but I don’t see it happening because of the all BS reasons on crosby’s side. Like Malkin playing badly and no good linemates, improving his game, blah blah. I think Sedin deserves it more, but I don’t see the crappy voting going that way.
If Sedin wins the Art Ross he’ll win the MVP. Bank on it.
by Davethecapsfan on Mar 28, 2010 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly! If Ovie wins all the trophies this year, including the Cup, which is all entirely possible, it’ll pretty much kill the debate. I mean, WE know Ovie is better, but I want to see it in PRINT!
That’s something you can’t win, because then they’ll say that Crosby won the Cup first, and all kinds of dumb stuff like that.
Winning it first is one thing…but picking in the top 3 four or five years in a row will help your team rebuild faster. If we win it this year Ovie will have won it in his 3rd trip to the playoffs just like Crosby did.
by Davethecapsfan on Mar 28, 2010 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions
way too much time left in that game and it’s only 2-1.
"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."
Sharks were up 1-0 early. Also Avs are a “desperate team”…great term getting thrown around today.
by Davethecapsfan on Mar 28, 2010 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions
And looks like it’s 2-2 going to the 3rd.
by Davethecapsfan on Mar 28, 2010 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Sharks don’t hold our number; the Blackhawks do, and they lost tonight, 4-2. That puts the number at 8, if I did the math right.
Did I do the math right?
I’m really tired…
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by IRockTheRed on Mar 28, 2010 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Does Ovechkin seem tentative to anyone else? Seems like the suspension/injuring Campbell is weighing on him a bit.
The keyboard is mightier.
I’m not surely tentative is the word, but he’s definitely not en fuego. But every time I think he is slumping, he bursts out.
I don’t know if today was “bursting out”. I mean, its just one goal and one assist, and hes now behind crosby in goals. So for him, its still a slump. He needs to get back to his multi-goal games. Thats his thing. One of those and I’ll be a little less worried.
It’s not so much about his point production, he just seems to be scaling back his physical play a bit. A step late here and there. Maybe just a bad game, or maybe he’s saving himself.
The keyboard is mightier.
I thought they said he had a good amount of hits today
by Davethecapsfan on Mar 28, 2010 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think so, he had a number of shots today, got robbed by Kipper on a one timer and also glanced the post once early. He’s just on the brink of a breakout game.
by Davethecapsfan on Mar 28, 2010 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions
The Capitals clinch home ice the 2010 eastern conference playoffs!
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In spite of today’s win, Pittsburgh has actually not played that well over the last 10 games but have won 2 in a row. Pitt was 4-3-3. Buffalo and NJ were the teams playing best in the Conference as of late.
Ottawa, our next opponent, has won 4 in a row.
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Interesting to see Philly play a strong game after looking so bad against Pitt. I thought Boston’s mini surge and Atl’s strong play might mean Philly would just fall out of the race. I still don’t see the Rags making it but Atlanta still could. Since we play both Atlanta and Boston down the stretch we might decide our own opponent.
by Davethecapsfan on Mar 28, 2010 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions
We definitely can. Us and Boston – I think Bruins play MTL, the Thrash, and a whole bunch of the NE teams, they definitely can put some distance.
Philly is only two points ahead of ATL for 8th, same games. Think Rags are done though, fwiw.
I think the Rags are done too. Atlanta still has a chance. While I think the Flyers are a talented team, the loss of Carter and their problems at goal tending are issues for them. Question is — will Carter be back in time for Round 1?
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That would be huge, but he is gonna be out like another 2-4 weeks.
It is tough to say whose gonna be in that 8 spot, or 7, or 6, or 5, or 4, or 2 for that matter
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by kingzman264 on Mar 28, 2010 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Caps trending down as playoffs approach?
Preparation for the playoffs involves ramping up the tempo, even in meaningless games, to avoid the possibility of not being able to “turn on the switch” when needed. The Caps looked like a bored lethargic team for the first 20 minutes, and found themselves down by 4 goals by the time they realized there was a game to be played. I hope they learn a lesson from today and take a more business-like approach to their remaining games to reverse the trend in their play from apathy and laziness to more determination and resolve.
If we’d won the last 2 games but lost the Pitt game there would be people claiming we need to fix our level of play to beat playoff caliber opposition. Ups and downs are going to happen.
I’d like to get BMo, Laich, ShaMo, Walker, and Gordon healthy before playoffs. That’s my #1 worry.
by Davethecapsfan on Mar 28, 2010 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Well said. Definitely puts everything into perspective.
I think BMo will be good for POs, they are prolly keeping him out right now so he doesn’t injure himself seriously. Apparently the “tweak” isn’t serious at all
Laich. . .i dont even know, i think he will be physically fine by POs. But who knows how long he will have to wear a mask and how that will affect his play. Also, if he’ll be mentally in the game with such an injury. I dont know anything about it, how severe it is, if it will danger his eye, if it will danger his teeth, if it shattered his cheek bone? will he need plastic surgery? does he want it? So i have no idea, which i really hate, i wish the Caps would let us know more
ShaMo will be back like next week and definitely for POs
Walker is prolly taking it very slow cause he isn’t severely needed. I think he tweaked his knee last week and wants to make sure his career doesnt end by tweaking it again
Gordon is apparently seeing someone in Hershey about his back. . .he will prolly be back by the POs but idk.
I dont want Matty P staying up here so we dont have to sign him or whatever that rule it
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by kingzman264 on Mar 28, 2010 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions
My game story
I’m a STH but had to miss today’s game because I was flying to San Antonio for work. I had a connecting flight in Atlanta, and listened to the entire 2nd and 3rd periods on XM on the plane … while still in Atlanta. Yup, roughly 90+ minutes sitting on a damn airplane while we taxied out then returned to the gate for a “computer reboot.” Then we taxied out again, got to the runway, the airplane accelerated full throttle for 5 seconds and then we shut down and took a side exit, while the maintainers did … something. Finally, the third time was the charm.
Definitely no other Caps fans on the plane because I didn’t see mirroring fist pumps when Ovie, Steckel and PerreaultChoCinco scored.
To add insult to injury, I listened to the Pittsburgh-Toronto game as we were landing in San Antonio. >:|
The XM broadcast was the Caps feed with Steve Kolbe. I don’t know if I could stand listening to him for entire season. “Vaaaaarrrrrrlllllllllmmmmmoooooooffffffffff wwwwiiiiittttthhhhh tttttthhhhhhheeeeee ssssssaaaaaavvvvvvvveeee … and it’s a goal for Calgary.” (R. Bourque’s goal to make it 5-1.)
I believe in JC.
Hey Brooks? Get better soon, 'k?
This picture was taken the day of and probably just before he got injured.
Missing your smiling face. :(
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Great pic. The team sure missed Laich in that horrible game.
by capsyoungguns on Mar 29, 2010 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions
So... I have to brag :)
hehehehehehe :)
I also have a picture of my CSN appearance, thanks to a friend with DVR, but it’s not as cool.
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Nice! Where was this?
Also, you manage to make MP look pretty big. :)
There's a fine line between arrogance and ignorance and only I manage to erase that line.
This was at Front Page after the game for a fundraiser event, others in attendance were Green, Backstrom, Laing, Schultz, and Sloan. I was SO excited because I wore my Perreault shirt and got him to sign it! Super nice, as they all are.
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by kellobellow on Mar 29, 2010 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions
… and I’m pretty good at making people look big. That sounds weird, but you know what I mean.
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by kellobellow on Mar 29, 2010 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions
… and I realize I put this in the recap instead of an OT thread… sorry :( Now that I look, though, there isn’t one… so I hope it’s ok.
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by kellobellow on Mar 29, 2010 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions
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