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Mike Milbury is a bold-faced liar. And he doesn’t know hockey for shit.

That guy should be hit in the face with a brick. Or a stick.

Now drink with me deeply of the bourbon, scotch, and rye until such time as we are fighting drunk.

by Steckel Me Elmo on Feb 18, 2010 6:52 AM EST reply actions  

People in Pittsburgh hate Mike Milbury, too. Milbury and McGuire are the worst duo, possibly in anything, in the history of life.

The reason you hate Mike Milbury is because he is Canadien-biased. However, Jeremy Roenick has proved that he is very anti-Crosby. He has come out on two occasions, both completely out of the blue, criticizing Crosby to the media (maybe he is jealous that Crosby already has almost half the career points and a Stanley Cup at 22).

Basically, neither one of them are qualified to talk about hockey on air. It’s basically like putting Olbermann and O’Reilly on an intermission report. Both idiots. Both biased. Both should not be taken seriously.

P.S. – Pierre McGuire sucks worse than anyone in the world.

by Link_Gaetz on Feb 18, 2010 7:42 AM EST up reply actions  

I don’t hate him because he’s Canadian biased (though that doesn’t help). I hate him because he’s a liar (if you’re going to be biased, just fuckin’ man up and admit it), he’s a moron, and he’s unprofessional.

Agreed on McGuire. Agreed so hard.

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by Steckel Me Elmo on Feb 18, 2010 7:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed. All of NBC’s hockey coverage is an absolute joke, except Doc Emerick.

I seriously think we should start a petition trying to get Milbury/McGuire off the air.

I am not good at this interweb stuff, so I am not going to do it.

Call to arms! Start the Revolution!

by Link_Gaetz on Feb 18, 2010 7:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed. All of NBC’s hockey coverage is an absolute joke, except including Doc Emerick.

Fixed.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 18, 2010 7:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Haha why the Doc Emerick hate?

Compared to other bums I’ve heard call games, he is very good.

by Link_Gaetz on Feb 18, 2010 7:57 AM EST up reply actions  

DRIVE

Deutschland - das ist alles.

by Whiter Mage on Feb 18, 2010 7:58 AM EST up reply actions  

This too. How about some additions to the vocabulary? He’s been using the same verbs for 20 years now. At least Joe B mixes them up.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 18, 2010 8:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Joe B. has grown on me, and developed into a solid play by play guy.

But “Buzz-Bomb” is one of the worst additions to the hockey lexicon of all time.

by Link_Gaetz on Feb 18, 2010 8:04 AM EST up reply actions  

I like that he’s creative and trying new stuff. I also like how he engages Locker to explain things fans might not understand. And their light-hearted pseudo-homoerotic banter.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 18, 2010 8:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Related: I’m not a big fan of Steve Kolbe. The guy gets so excited over the most mundane aspects of the game. There’s no need to shout when the other team dumps the puck for a line change. Half the time it sounds like a goal was just scored when really it was an offsides call or something.

"Dozens of people spontaneously combust each year. It's just not really widely reported."

by Laich It Or Lump It on Feb 18, 2010 8:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Kolbe gets a pass from me for the 98 Conference Finals win call, but I can agree with you on the excitedness thing. Its almost like he’s trying to recreate that call on every single play. But on the other hand, its pretty hard to capture the “excitement” of hockey on the radio without getting all fired up. The Carolina radio guy is the same way.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 18, 2010 8:11 AM EST up reply actions  

That’s great that he’s excited, but I personally think it’s more important to capture what is actually happening on the ice in a radio broadcast. It’s much tougher, for sure, but Kolbe is absolutely terrible at it. I was driving home from school last year and he made one of the prettiest goals of the year sound like a garbage goal. What a fucking ass. It was that day I swore him off.

(The goal was when Nick saucer passed a puck from above the top of the circle right to AO’s stick and AO slammed home the puck. Kolbe called it like Nick dumped it on net and the puck bounced off someone in the net. Ridiculous.)

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by Rob Parker on Feb 18, 2010 2:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m ok with Kolbe but Saborin (sp?) is an absolute joke. It’s comical.

by Reckless on Feb 18, 2010 11:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Locker is to me what Bob Errey is to you.

Awful.

by Link_Gaetz on Feb 18, 2010 8:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Is it Locker’s voice, analysis or personality? All three? Frankly, I’ve gotten used to the voice and think his analysis is really quite good. I do get put off a bit when he and Joe B. start flirting a lot, but generally I like Locker.

Bob Errey, on the other hand, is just a blind homer with little to offer, IMO.

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by J.P. on Feb 18, 2010 8:33 AM EST up reply actions  

I wish he would just speak in Lockerisms all the time…

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 18, 2010 8:35 AM EST up reply actions  

His voice his grating, the constant use of nicknames annoys me.

Also, take your last sentence and replace “Bob Errey” with “Locker”

Although, I will admit Locker’s homerism has gotten better.

(I hate Bob Errey, too).

by Link_Gaetz on Feb 18, 2010 8:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Is there a standard definition for “homerism”? I feel like the word is overused as it is. I always took it to describe someone speaking with ignorance about something they haven’t the authority to speak on. Both Locker and Errey are hockey lifers, and therefore have the “authority” to provide hockey color, which is exactly what they do. Admittedly, my experience listening to Locker is much more than with Errey, but I can appreciate both for what they are.

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by snakegriffin on Feb 18, 2010 9:01 AM EST up reply actions  

I use it to mean someone who lets his rooting interest color his analysis.

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by J.P. on Feb 18, 2010 9:02 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I see what you’re saying. I also think that you need to expect homerism when listening to a color commentator.

It used to be that Locker’s absolute refusal to say that a Caps penalty was a good call was the thing that got to me most. He’d always add a little something at the end – “There you see the hook….and ‘X-Player’ definitely helped to sell that one, Joe.”

He has improved drastically with that, though, I will admit

by Link_Gaetz on Feb 18, 2010 9:04 AM EST up reply actions  

I offer this up to the group: is it such a bad thing for a color commentator on an RSN to let his loyalty show? If it’s a national audience then commentators should definitely be neutral, but on an RSN not so much. Obviously we don’t want complete bias, but I have no problem with some measured homerism.

"Dozens of people spontaneously combust each year. It's just not really widely reported."

by Laich It Or Lump It on Feb 18, 2010 9:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Agree – measured homerism is key to keeping a fanbase watching, I think. We want to hate the other team at least a little bit, so the hometown bias is necessary.

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by snakegriffin on Feb 18, 2010 9:11 AM EST up reply actions  

The focus of the broadcast should match the audience, so they should talk more about the local team than the other team. But what they say about the local team should not be biased.

Jon Miller for the Orioles was the best I ever heard at balancing this. He’s got an encyclopedic knowledge of the sport, so he’d always tell you interesting stuff about the visiting team. But he called the O’s how he saw them, including when they did stuff poorly. That’s what a color guy should do. And in that case, it got him fired by an owner with a Napoleon complex.

Baltimore’s loss, San Francisco’s gain…

Atta dinnin stick a who!

by Gould Old Days on Feb 18, 2010 9:11 AM EST up reply actions  

The only thing about Locker that really bugs me nowadays is the constant plugging of his hockey camp. I can understand why, but it still is annoying.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 18, 2010 9:14 AM EST up reply actions  

That bugs me too. You have to figure that anyone who would attend that camp is probably part of the regular viewership. No need to shove it down our throats.

"Dozens of people spontaneously combust each year. It's just not really widely reported."

by Laich It Or Lump It on Feb 18, 2010 9:16 AM EST up reply actions  

They get their own locker room!!

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 18, 2010 9:23 AM EST up reply actions  

They get their own locker room!!

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 18, 2010 9:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Thanks for reminding me how much I miss Jon Miller.

:(

Now helping to keep an eye on all things Gr8 at Alex Ovetjkin.

by EmilyB on Feb 18, 2010 9:22 AM EST up reply actions  

that was one of the last straws that will keep me from rooting for the Orioles as long as Angelos owns the team. Angelos has been much better the last few years, I think having a team in DC has forced him to be.

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by Doncosmic on Feb 18, 2010 11:57 AM EST up reply actions  

I actually think there’s been a trend in broadcasting towards less homerism. It’s still there but far less than it used to be. Maybe Miller’s situation had something to do with that. No empirical evidence, just appears to me to be the case.

by Reckless on Feb 18, 2010 11:25 AM EST up reply actions  

I think Craig is pretty fair. He calls it like it is. He’s quick to point out if the Caps got away with one, or deserve a penalty when you can hear some fans booing on TV.

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by Sombrero Guy on Feb 18, 2010 1:36 PM EST up reply actions  

What I like about Locker is that he does call things pretty fairly, but is just enough of a homer to make it feel like a Caps broadcast.

"Now wait a minute. This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man."

by The Ghost of Bebop on Feb 18, 2010 8:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I got no real problem with Errey. Its Steigerwald I can’t deal with because his voice is so douchey.

As far as Locker goes, I find him more chuckleworthy at this point. He’s such an institution by now it would be beyond odd to hear the Caps without him.

Its amazing he’s been doing Caps games for 20 years now.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 18, 2010 8:34 AM EST up reply actions  

No, no.

BIG DRIVE!

by RCheli on Feb 18, 2010 9:52 AM EST up reply actions  

I wish he’d take a big drive over a cliff with that cheese-grater voice.

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by jordanDC on Feb 18, 2010 9:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Heretic!

Here before you arrive, here while you visit, and definitely here after you've gone.

by Bald Pollack on Feb 18, 2010 7:57 AM EST up reply actions  

He gets overly excited, but he doesn’t bother me. There’s a lot worse out there. A LOT.

by Link_Gaetz on Feb 18, 2010 7:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Along the same lines of good PBP guys, Kenny Albert’s quietly doing an solid job on the non-marquee games.

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by Bald Pollack on Feb 18, 2010 8:00 AM EST up reply actions  

I’ve always liked KA. Solid.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 18, 2010 8:01 AM EST up reply actions  

I was a little apprehensive when Joe B. replaced him (loved his HTS work and occasionally got to listen to a Skipjacks game), but it’s nice to see they’ve both done well for themselves.

As importantly, he’s not as bitey as his father.

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by Bald Pollack on Feb 18, 2010 8:04 AM EST up reply actions  

The first thing I remember about Joe B was how TERRIBLE his teeth were. Seriously, they were so bad I thought he was British. Its good for him that they’ve since been fixed, because they were such a huge distraction.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 18, 2010 8:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Totally agreed. I made that same comment to K_C last night. Now, if K_C is around don’t mention his broadcast partner…

Killer_Carlson and Steckel Me Elmo are like brothers to me. And when I say brothers I don't mean like actual brothers. I mean it like how black people use it, which is more meaningful, I think.

by Rob Parker on Feb 18, 2010 2:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Ha. I don’t hate Michaletti the way I hate guys like Errey or Tripp Tracy, I just think he is an awful color announcer. From what I can tell most Rangers fans agree with me.

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by Killer_Carlson on Feb 18, 2010 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Give him a break though, he’s following an all time great. Who fills those shoes?

Killer_Carlson and Steckel Me Elmo are like brothers to me. And when I say brothers I don't mean like actual brothers. I mean it like how black people use it, which is more meaningful, I think.

by Rob Parker on Feb 18, 2010 4:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I just can’t deal with his histrionics. The highs are too high and the lows are too low. His voice is just a touch or two away from heading into Rick Jeanneret territory

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 18, 2010 8:00 AM EST up reply actions  

And seriously, has anyone ever had to watch NJD feeds? I’m hard pressed to think of a broadcast team that spends less time talking about the actual game than Emerick/Resh. I’ve seen those guys stomp an entire PP without calling the play. I mean, sure, they got stuck watching NJD games, but come on boys, be professionals and stay awake.

Killer_Carlson and Steckel Me Elmo are like brothers to me. And when I say brothers I don't mean like actual brothers. I mean it like how black people use it, which is more meaningful, I think.

by Rob Parker on Feb 18, 2010 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

you wouldn't believe

how many goals the Preds team misses because Crisp is cracking a joke. Weber’s p-b-p is great, though.

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by Chris Burton on Feb 18, 2010 2:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Weber’s p-b-p is great, though.

man, that shea weber guy is SO VERSATILE!

by Natty Bumppo on Feb 18, 2010 2:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I love that pair. They seem perfect for that market. They may as well be calling the games from a rocking chair.

Killer_Carlson and Steckel Me Elmo are like brothers to me. And when I say brothers I don't mean like actual brothers. I mean it like how black people use it, which is more meaningful, I think.

by Rob Parker on Feb 18, 2010 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t give a care about player’s interesting life stories for the most part, and that’s all Emerick talks about during games.

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by jordanDC on Feb 18, 2010 2:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Perhaps the analysts and play callers on NBC are a joke, but it’s hard to beat their production value. Their video quality and sound production put CSN to shame for my money.

"Dozens of people spontaneously combust each year. It's just not really widely reported."

by Laich It Or Lump It on Feb 18, 2010 8:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Most high school AV Clubs would put CSN’s production to shame

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 18, 2010 8:09 AM EST up reply actions  

And except for the forced commercial breaks they do a much better job of not missing face offs; and they show PIM replays usually.

Killer_Carlson and Steckel Me Elmo are like brothers to me. And when I say brothers I don't mean like actual brothers. I mean it like how black people use it, which is more meaningful, I think.

by Rob Parker on Feb 18, 2010 2:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t think Olczyk is awful.

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by J.P. on Feb 18, 2010 8:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Just forgettable, to me.

As with a stay-at-home defenseman, there are far worse things for a color guy to be.

Atta dinnin stick a who!

by Gould Old Days on Feb 18, 2010 9:13 AM EST up reply actions  

I was just thinking the same thing. He seems to be pretty unbiased in my opinion. He tells it like it is for the most part.

by cwmprthd on Feb 18, 2010 10:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Not awful, but his voice isn’t very interesting to listen to. He just gets lost in it unless you’re specifically singling him out.

by DrinkingPartner on Feb 18, 2010 10:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Definitely a brick.

Of all our iniquities ignorance may be the worst

by Killer_Carlson on Feb 18, 2010 12:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Brick if you question your strength. Stick is the way to go if you have any power. Anyone that disagrees, do so here.

Killer_Carlson and Steckel Me Elmo are like brothers to me. And when I say brothers I don't mean like actual brothers. I mean it like how black people use it, which is more meaningful, I think.

by Rob Parker on Feb 18, 2010 2:32 PM EST up reply actions  

For those of you that are more familiar with Olympic, or international, hockey, maybe you could help me with this.

After watching the U.S. game and most of the Swedish game, one thing really jumped out at me. Guys who I would not expect to misshandle the puck, especially in non-pressure situations, are having the puck jump off their sticks. Are the stick rules different? Are they all playing with wood? Different curvature rules? Can’t understand why some easy and slow moving passes are coming loose off of NHL players sticks for no apparent reason.

by HateOffSeason on Feb 18, 2010 6:59 AM EST reply actions  

I noticed this too—thought maybe the ice was a little rough. But I was surprised that there was no mention of it on the telecast.

Maybe it was just opening game nerves.

by bilspacecadet on Feb 18, 2010 11:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Well they are using Olympias and not Zambonis

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by Doncosmic on Feb 18, 2010 12:00 PM EST up reply actions  

After the Swedish game the players talked about the extreme heat in the building, or in Forsburg’s case – looked like they’d just spent an hour in a steam sauna – absolutely pouring sweat.

That’s obviously really bad for the ice and, again, will probably detract from the ability of the most skilled players in the world being able to perform at their peak.

by Icebat on Feb 18, 2010 1:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I think they’re also using all-electric ice resurfacers.

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by jordanDC on Feb 18, 2010 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I heard some player (sadly, can’t remember who or what team, brain like a sieve today, sorry) comment about the heat from all the people in the arena making the ice a little slushy. It was from one of the first games so it may have been a US player. Anyway, yeah, it sounds like the ice is less than optimal.

Don’t they use an Olympia at Verizon Center?

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by mosaicist on Feb 18, 2010 2:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I think it was Lundqvist.

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by jordanDC on Feb 18, 2010 2:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Ooh, yeah, I think you’re right.

You had me at "no problem"!

by mosaicist on Feb 18, 2010 4:07 PM EST up reply actions  

They use the standard propane models at VC, I believe. There are a lot of folks that would tell you the all-electric ones aren’t up to snuff yet.

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by jordanDC on Feb 18, 2010 2:50 PM EST up reply actions  

the stick rules i don’t think are too different the curvature is the only area that could be causing problems but you need to take into consideration that 3 games a day are being played and vancouver is unusually warm and if the arena is full more heat is being generated possibly causing the ice to get tempermental

"Hey anyway I can get my name out there 30 years from now is great," Steckel said. "They will be like, ‘Who was that guy?’ Then they’ll look at the stats and say, ‘Well, at least that guy was really good on face-offs.’"

by jenlee0828 on Feb 18, 2010 1:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I think there is also some new visor requirement (but grandfathered in) so that players that aren’t used to visors are having a tougher time playing the puck in their skates.

Killer_Carlson and Steckel Me Elmo are like brothers to me. And when I say brothers I don't mean like actual brothers. I mean it like how black people use it, which is more meaningful, I think.

by Rob Parker on Feb 18, 2010 2:47 PM EST up reply actions  

You’re right, isn’t it everyone born after 1974? Or something close to that.

"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."

by gfcaps fan on Feb 18, 2010 2:57 PM EST up reply actions  

born after dec 31, 1974 have to wear visors

"Hey anyway I can get my name out there 30 years from now is great," Steckel said. "They will be like, ‘Who was that guy?’ Then they’ll look at the stats and say, ‘Well, at least that guy was really good on face-offs.’"

by jenlee0828 on Feb 18, 2010 2:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Re: ESPN — Scott Burnside is an ass. That is all.

"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."

by gfcaps fan on Feb 18, 2010 7:42 AM EST reply actions  

What did he do?

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 18, 2010 7:46 AM EST up reply actions  

A lot of hate goin’ ’round this morning.

"Dozens of people spontaneously combust each year. It's just not really widely reported."

by Laich It Or Lump It on Feb 18, 2010 7:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Pol Pot was a jerk.

Atta dinnin stick a who!

by Gould Old Days on Feb 18, 2010 9:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Him and Stalin both.

That’s why I watch genocides with the tv on moot.

by redlineblue on Feb 18, 2010 9:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Stalin?

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by Bald Pollack on Feb 18, 2010 10:00 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

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by HateOffSeason on Feb 18, 2010 9:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I generally don’t care for him, and he definitely has a bit of an anti-Caps bias, even when the team is crushing the opposition. I’m by no means an expert, but I always feel like he’s not the brightest bulb in his coverage.

"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."

by gfcaps fan on Feb 18, 2010 7:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Not to sound like a total dick here, but I think every fanbase in every sport thinks every writer/broadcaster has a bias against their team….with a few exceptions*.

It seems like when people read articles that aren’t about their team, they think “They are writing about this? They never write about my team!” And when they read an article about their team they think “It’s about time someone wrote about this!”

I really think it all evens out. People just tend to look for the negative.

There could be some truth for your reasons of hating Burnside, but I honestly don’t see it….probably because I never read what he writes.

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by Link_Gaetz on Feb 18, 2010 7:56 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

There’s probably a certain amount of truth to what you say, but it always depends on what is said and how it’s done. I couldn’t go back and say exactly why I have that opinion, just that I’ve gotten the vibe at time. And I don’t even think it’s intentional (i.e., Milbury-ian). There’s just something smug about him in general that I don’t like.

"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."

by gfcaps fan on Feb 18, 2010 8:00 AM EST up reply actions  

I actually do think most writers are moderately biased in favor of one or a few organizations. Maybe it’s the team they cut their teeth with, or where they grew up. So maybe it’s true that most writers are biased against most teams…

Atta dinnin stick a who!

by Gould Old Days on Feb 18, 2010 9:16 AM EST up reply actions  

I think you’ve hit the nail on the head. They say “there’s no cheering in the press box”. BS, sez I. You’re just not allowed to do it openly; that sure as hell doesn’t mean it doesn’t go on. Let’s face it, writers are human too and everyone’s got fandoms and biases. Milbury’s a tool only because his are obvious.

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by gotsparkly on Feb 18, 2010 9:24 AM EST up reply actions  

I was mainly being snarky, though I do think too many writers specialize only in the teams they know well and don’t reach out to the teams they know less well.

But Milbury’s a different story. The guy has a ton of history with folks in the league, and it’s clear he has several axes to grind. And he can’t rise above it and be an objective commentator. He’s “actively” biased against certain teams and, more than that, certain people who he thinks done him wrong. He’s entitled to that, but he’s got no business being on the air if he can’t let it go.

Atta dinnin stick a who!

by Gould Old Days on Feb 18, 2010 9:41 AM EST up reply actions  

I think it would be wrong but very funny, should the Caps take the whole thing this season, for every Caps fan to mail him one of their rally towels from the playoffs. Crying towels.

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by gotsparkly on Feb 18, 2010 9:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Burnside complaining about AO not doing English language interviews is a bit unfair. He’s doing as many interviews as Sid, but he just happens to be bilingual, so everyone wants their time. Should he do twice as many interviews? Half as many with his home country media?

And does Burnside know that it’s AO’s decision and not a Team Russia thing?

That said, AO does have a responsibility to address media, and I’d expect it to be different going forward.

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by J.P. on Feb 18, 2010 8:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Precisely.

Burnside’s got an entitlement attitude that I don’t like. And I feel like he’s always got it, not just now.

"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."

by gfcaps fan on Feb 18, 2010 8:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Burnside isn’t the only member of the media with entitlement issues. It’s hard wired into them. Of course, I can see why the “media” would lavish their praise on Crosby in this instance. They get pre-programmed, pre-packaged, white-bread and cheese answers that they’ve heard 5,000 times before, and they can just reprint them. There is literally no work involved.

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by ThePeerless on Feb 18, 2010 8:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Devil’s advocate/conspiracy theorist, take with a healthy dose of snark — Russian team pissed off that all their games are late-night with realtively limited coverage? I noticed at ESPN that after the first day’s games, massive column inches were devoted the US and Canada games, but not a word about the Russia game (other than the AP wire story).

"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."

by gfcaps fan on Feb 18, 2010 8:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Isn’t a 9:00 Vancouver start more likely to be watchable for Russians back home, though?

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by J.P. on Feb 18, 2010 8:36 AM EST up reply actions  

So? Who’s playing the game? I’ll bet if you asked the swimmers in Beijing, they weren’t too happy about swimming in the morning so the US audience could watch during prime time.

Like I said, take it with snark. It just popped up in my mind and I couldn’t resist.

"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."

by gfcaps fan on Feb 18, 2010 9:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Think of it this way — who do you think the Olympics want to please? The 300,000 (or so) Caps fans who want to see their team’s players or the 50,000,000 Russian hockey fans who want to see their country’s players?

by RCheli on Feb 18, 2010 10:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Where did I say anything about the fans, in DC or Russia? I was thinking that none of the players would be happy with a 9pm start time. Granted, I don’t know which is worse for a player’s routine; a noon start or a 9:00 start.

"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."

by gfcaps fan on Feb 18, 2010 10:21 AM EST up reply actions  

But again, the teams that are playing that late are all the ones from Eastern Europe. More than half those players are in the KHL or other European leagues, so you have to have a happy medium between them, the NHL players, and the audiences.

As a fan, it’s not great, but it’s likely the best of all possibilities for the players.

by RCheli on Feb 18, 2010 10:34 AM EST up reply actions  

It’s not just Burnside, a large number of “journalists” at ESPN seem to feel that way. It’s almost like they can’t fathom the fact that an athlete would rather talk to another media outlet. In the case of hockey especially, ESPN’s coverage has not earned it the right to be considered as the premier hockey outlet.

That said, I do think Ovie should probably engage the English speaking media some, but since we don’t know if there is any background here I’m not going to say too much. At least he hasn’t gone Mike Richards on them yet. Maybe he’s trying to send a message that Tarik or Corey should have been sent to Vancouver?

by BradleyFightingVehicle on Feb 18, 2010 8:43 AM EST up reply actions  

I haven’t seen a Burnside take this much heat since Ambrose screwed up Fredericksburg.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 18, 2010 8:44 AM EST up reply actions   3 recs

Heh, rec’d for some history! The man had some mean sideburns though!

by BradleyFightingVehicle on Feb 18, 2010 8:46 AM EST up reply actions  

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No joke. I enjoy his Bridge as well.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 18, 2010 8:48 AM EST up reply actions  

LOL

Well played….rec’d

And man, did he ever screw up Fredericksburg.

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by Chris Burton on Feb 18, 2010 8:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Not as badly as conventional wisdom would have you think. People forget there was a breakthrough south of town through Jackson’s Corps (AP Hill’s Division). There was just nothing in place to exploit it, which again, is pretty much Burnside’s fault. By the time the frontal assault had took place later in the day, Meade’s attack had been driven back, and the battle was pretty much over.

The ironic thing about Fredericksburg is that Lee and Jackson never wanted to fight there. I think Jackson said something to the effect of “we will win the battle, but it won’t be a victory”. Both of them wanted to fight the battle on the North Anna, where Lee ended up trapping Grant two years later and coming thisclose to destroying half the Army of the Potomac.

Heading into off topic here though…

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 18, 2010 8:55 AM EST up reply actions  

well

er, never mind…must…not…go…off…topic.

Love the subject, though.

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by Chris Burton on Feb 18, 2010 8:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Francis A. O’Reilly’s book on Fredericksburg is EPIC. One of the best battlefield histories i’ve read.

LINK

I’ll have to read that again once I finish my World War Two book.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 18, 2010 9:06 AM EST up reply actions  

(Getting pretty far off topic)

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by J.P. on Feb 18, 2010 9:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Connectors, ftw.

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by J.P. on Feb 18, 2010 8:49 AM EST up reply actions  

An entire column, 439 words to be exact, of media whining. And who says ESPN doesn’t cover hockey. On the bright side, we did discover one more thing that makes Crosby better than Ovechkin:

We say this in closing, and with a high level of confidence: Sidney Crosby would never behave this way

by b.orr4 on Feb 18, 2010 9:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Just read the column. That sure was nice of him to refer to Ovi as a “ghost” seeing as he’s played exactly one game so far, and at midnight ET.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 18, 2010 9:08 AM EST up reply actions  

If only the Washington Capitals’ crack PR staff had been assigned to Ovechkin and the Russian national team.

I can’t tell if that is a dig at the Caps PR staff or not. Describing them as “crack” sounds like a negative connotation to me, but Burnside did use “snit” and “carping” in that article, so I have no idea what he is saying.

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by Laich It Or Lump It on Feb 18, 2010 9:26 AM EST up reply actions  

There’s a lot of bull in that snit.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 18, 2010 9:27 AM EST up reply actions  

It’s a compliment. The Caps staff is that good. Journos are accustomed to a more accessible Ovie.

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by EmilyB on Feb 18, 2010 9:31 AM EST up reply actions  

I figured it was a compliment because the Caps PR is arguably one of, if not the best in sports, but there are plenty of adjectives out there that are much more suitable.

"Dozens of people spontaneously combust each year. It's just not really widely reported."

by Laich It Or Lump It on Feb 18, 2010 9:32 AM EST up reply actions  

No, crack’s not an insult in that context. It’s a compliment.

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by gotsparkly on Feb 18, 2010 9:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Definitely high praise.

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by J.P. on Feb 18, 2010 10:00 AM EST up reply actions  

That’s how I read it. It’s a crack squad, like the A-Team.

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by Rob Parker on Feb 18, 2010 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s fascinating that everything regarding hockey devolves into Crosby vs. Ovie.

What is heaven’s name does Ovie’s interview schedule have to do with Crosby?

We say this in closing, and with a high level of confidence: Sidney Crosby Alan May would never behave this way

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by Sct112 on Feb 18, 2010 11:29 AM EST up reply actions   3 recs

It’s fascinating that everything regarding hockey devolves into Crosby vs. Ovie.

What is heaven’s name does Ovie’s interview schedule have to do with Crosby?

Amen, brotha! Hell, even in a FanPost trying to focus on Ovechkin and with whom he could be compared to “historically” the token Crosby vs Ovechkin comparison has found it’s way in there.

For better or worse, seems like it’s pretty much inevitable that any discussion about OV or Crosby will eventually lead to someone mentioning his counterpart at some point.

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by Christoph J on Feb 18, 2010 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Look at how many English language interviews AO does all year. After the Olympics is anyone afraid they can’t get in touch with AO to talk about the Olympics? No, of course not. He’ll get mobbed at every city he goes to and talk about it. He has a limited window to talk to the Russian Media while they are all there. I have no problem with it. The fact that Burnside can’t or won’t think this through just reinforces how worthless I think he is. AO does so many national and English language interviews it’s not funny. Get over yourself you self-important D bag.

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by Rob Parker on Feb 18, 2010 2:51 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

As per NHL Live today, the problem is not with Ovie per se, but the Russdian management. They are limiting the interviews by all their players. The Russians should not have to be made available for more interviews than any other team. If Burnside wants an interview with Ovie, he should get in line earlier, like everybody else.

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by dlw66 on Feb 18, 2010 7:50 PM EST up reply actions  

He comes off as a whiny brat in that article. He can go fuck himself and the bathe in the results.

That asshole isn’t entitled to shit, he should be glad for the job he has. Fucking pretentious assfuck.

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by Steckel Me Elmo on Feb 18, 2010 9:18 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Wow. That’s… um… something.

Dude’s got a job to do. Part of his job requires cooperation from other folks. One such folk didn’t cooperate, so the dude comments on it. Frankly, I don’t think he’s too far off base here.

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by J.P. on Feb 18, 2010 9:20 AM EST up reply actions  

I don’t disagree that Ovechkin should. But to me Burnside just sounds like a whiny brat about it. While Ovechkin should be talking to the media, no one group is entitled to an interview with anyone.

I completely understand Ovechkin giving most of his attention to the Russian media, it’s not exactly like he has this opportunity for this amount of Russian interviews during the NHL season (I’d imagine).

Err, and apologies, I’m not exactly all puppy dogs and rainbows right now.

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by Steckel Me Elmo on Feb 18, 2010 9:22 AM EST up reply actions  

He’s got Slava and Dmitry on speed dial. I’m shading slightly to Burnside’s um, side on this because he is a Sochi 2014 ambassador and as yet is not making a compelling case on this grand stage.

That being said, he’s in VAN for 10-11 more days, I imagine he’ll find his way to a microphone before long.

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by EmilyB on Feb 18, 2010 9:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Also regarding his comment that Kane wouldn’t go ghost all up in this piece: Ovechkin wouldn’t beat a cab driver over $0.80 (or whatever it is), so Burnside can go screw himself. Again.

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by Steckel Me Elmo on Feb 18, 2010 9:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Baseless speculation: they may be keeping him under wraps until the closing ceremony when they do that transition to the next host, similar to what Beijing did with London (and Beckham) a couple years ago.

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by Bald Pollack on Feb 18, 2010 9:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Burnside might be somewhat right about his complaint but devoting an entire column to the subject is just excessive and comes across as self-absorbed. A journalist complaining about a star not talking to them carries as much sympathy as a pro athlete whining about being “disrespected” for only being paid $5 million a year. And to paraphrase Burnside’s last line about Crosby never ignoring the press, I can pretty much guarantee Bob McKenzie would never devote more than a throwaway sentence to the subject.

by b.orr4 on Feb 18, 2010 9:29 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

That’s why it comes off as being bratty. It’s like Sprewell demanding a $40 million contract because “he has kids to feed”. Take a step back and realize the position you’re in and don’t be such a pretentious self-absorbed ass.

I’m ornery.

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by Steckel Me Elmo on Feb 18, 2010 9:31 AM EST up reply actions  

It’d be interesting to compare how many hours Ovechkin worked that day versus Burnside, and what the two of them were doing during those hours.

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by Gould Old Days on Feb 18, 2010 9:43 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

And let’s not forget, ESPN paid the tab for Burnside to go to Vancouver and, in return, they probably required “X” number of reports each day including some on the biggest name in hockey. Burnside couldn’t get Ovie to talk to him, so he did the next best thing- he wrote a column about Ovie not talking to him. I’m sure he’s kind of proud of himself for figuring out how to turn lemons into lemonade.

by b.orr4 on Feb 18, 2010 9:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Rec’d for that last line.

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by Killer_Carlson on Feb 18, 2010 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

One such folk didn’t cooperate

It seems like it’s more than “one”, which puts Burnside in the position of bitching about Ovechkin sticking to his team. I’d also beg to differ that other folk are in any way required to cooperate with media: Burnside’s is to find and tell stories. Ovechkin’s is to play hockey, for Russia.
I suppose each of them is playing to his audience, but for my rubles Ovechkin looks far less lazy and less childish than Burnside does here.

by redlineblue on Feb 18, 2010 10:05 AM EST up reply actions  

edit fail

Burnside’s job is to find and tell stories.

by redlineblue on Feb 18, 2010 10:07 AM EST up reply actions  

But it was a diatribe not a comment. So I can’t side with Burnside here.

Besides there are only 2 questions that the US media is going to ask – and Ovi is probably tired of talking about them. I would be. Comparisons to Crosby was unnecessary. How many interviews has he given to the Russian media?

Also it doesn’t rest solely on Ovi to make the case for future NHL participation in the Olympics.

by Gin and Tonic on Feb 18, 2010 10:24 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Burnside had a point…until the end of the article when he starts calling AO a child and saying that his desire to play in Sochi is disingenuous. So because he is talking more with the Russian media it means he doesn’t really have a strong desire to represent his country in the 2014 Olympics? Call me crazy, but I’m guessing the motivation for AO and all other athletes to go to the Olympics is to compete in their competitions at the highest level and represent their countries, not for the honor of speaking to people from ESPN and other self-serving media.

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by Killer_Carlson on Feb 18, 2010 12:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow. I thought I was in a snit about him.

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by gfcaps fan on Feb 18, 2010 9:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Well, we are sort of legitimizing his tactics by giving him this many comments.

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by gotsparkly on Feb 18, 2010 9:56 AM EST up reply actions  

The only bad call I've seen in the tournament so far

That one hurt.

Can’t complain, Sweden was the better team, and I wasn’t expecting it to be that close. I’m very proud.

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WM, can you send me an email? Thx.

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by EmilyB on Feb 18, 2010 7:49 AM EST up reply actions  

So sent. I have to leave for work in ten minutes, though.

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by Whiter Mage on Feb 18, 2010 7:50 AM EST up reply actions  

It’s not that urgent. Go to work.

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by EmilyB on Feb 18, 2010 8:04 AM EST up reply actions  

I’ll be able to check email around 3. Otherwise, not until about 10, 11 tonight. Feel free to send away.

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by Whiter Mage on Feb 18, 2010 8:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Ach, schade. Mein Vaterland.

by Link_Gaetz on Feb 18, 2010 7:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Arrrrrh matey … take a gander at me parrot… arrrrrrrh

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by ThePeerless on Feb 18, 2010 7:50 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Yarr!

That be a great parrot ye has there, matey!

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by IRockTheRed on Feb 18, 2010 10:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Except that it costs over 5 mill and it won’t work without it’s pair. They are pairrots! Get it?

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by Rob Parker on Feb 18, 2010 3:02 PM EST up reply actions  

groan

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by jordanDC on Feb 18, 2010 3:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Nnnnnght...

That. Is. AWFUL!

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by IRockTheRed on Feb 18, 2010 3:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Wysh says:

Greiss complained about interference to no avail; there may have been some jostling during the play, but the leap didn’t make contact.

Really? I guess there’s a half inch of daylight in there somewhere? Doesn’t matter who I was rooting for, that sure looked like interference.

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by gfcaps fan on Feb 18, 2010 7:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Wysh has to be wrong there. Sedin’s pretty much sitting on his shoulder. That said, it’s not that big of a deal, long term. Sweden got another goal, and there was no beating Lundqvist and the Swedish D last night.

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by Whiter Mage on Feb 18, 2010 7:58 AM EST up reply actions  

There must be a lot of New Jersey Devils / Washington Capitals on team Sweden for Wysh to say that….

by Link_Gaetz on Feb 18, 2010 8:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Speaking of a bias huh?

we're not gonna allow someone like Downie to go after him.

by Sct112 on Feb 18, 2010 11:34 AM EST up reply actions  

If you looked at the clips from the back that they showed, there’s no question. There absolutely is contact, and it sent Greiss staggering backwards.

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by gotsparkly on Feb 18, 2010 8:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Just look at the location of Alfie’s right skateblade.

That’ll make any of us go staggering backwards…

Atta dinnin stick a who!

by Gould Old Days on Feb 18, 2010 9:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Ooops, that’s a Sedin, ain’t it? Not Alfie at all

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by Gould Old Days on Feb 18, 2010 9:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Daniel Sedin, yes. Alfie’s on Nicky’s line.

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by gotsparkly on Feb 18, 2010 9:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeowtch!

I wouldn’t want a skate blade there, personally! Wow.

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by IRockTheRed on Feb 18, 2010 10:13 AM EST up reply actions  

He was outside the crease, not a bad call.

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by jordanDC on Feb 18, 2010 9:51 AM EST up reply actions  

One foot is in the crease.

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by IRockTheRed on Feb 18, 2010 10:14 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Not thick enough for me, sorry. Brett Hull scored, and so did the Swedes.

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by jordanDC on Feb 18, 2010 10:17 AM EST up reply actions  

The two situations aren’t even remotely comparable.

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by Steckel Me Elmo on Feb 18, 2010 10:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Which is why it’s funny to use one as evidence for the other.

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by jordanDC on Feb 18, 2010 10:23 AM EST up reply actions  

He didn’t use Hull as evidence.

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by Steckel Me Elmo on Feb 18, 2010 10:24 AM EST up reply actions  

I know, but I did. It’s funny, like an oversized hat.

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by jordanDC on Feb 18, 2010 10:40 AM EST up reply actions  

It’s funny! It’s less comparable than other examples!

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by Steckel Me Elmo on Feb 18, 2010 10:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Glad you’ve come around on the issue.

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by jordanDC on Feb 18, 2010 10:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Would that oversized hat have to be “removed” by someone?

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 18, 2010 11:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Denis Sheckler’s hat removal service!

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by jordanDC on Feb 18, 2010 11:07 AM EST up reply actions  

He might have to call Super Saver Lillian

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 18, 2010 11:13 AM EST up reply actions  

I think you all missed IRTR’s joke…

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by Scott in Shaw on Feb 18, 2010 2:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I sincerely doubt it.

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by jordanDC on Feb 18, 2010 2:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Not having seen the incident in question, apart from a single still frame, all I can comment on is the amusing nature of the photograph in question. Personally, based on that one still frame, I’d call interference on the goalkeeper. Why?

69.2 Penalty – In all cases in which an attacking player initiates intentional or deliberate contact with a goalkeeper, whether or not the goalkeeper is inside or outside the goal crease, and whether or not a goal is scored, the attacking player will receive a penalty (minor or major, as the Referee deems appropriate). In all cases where the infraction being imposed is to the attacking player for hindering the goalkeeper’s ability to move freely in his goal crease, the penalty to be assessed is for goalkeeper interference.

69.4 Contact Outside the Goal Crease – If an attacking player initiates any contact with a goalkeeper, other than incidental contact, while the goalkeeper is outside his goal crease, and a goal is scored, the goal will be disallowed.

A goalkeeper is not "fair game" just because he is outside the goal crease. The appropriate penalty should be assessed in every case where an attacking player makes unnecessary contact with the goalkeeper. However, incidental contact will be permitted when the goalkeeper is in the act of playing the puck outside his goal crease provided the attacking player has made a reasonable effort to avoid such unnecessary contact.

I don’t for a minute believe that any referee in his right mind would call a guy sitting on the goalkeeper’s shoulder “incidental contact.”

If they didn’t call interference on the goalkeeper, they’re blinder than Bill McCreary.

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by IRockTheRed on Feb 18, 2010 2:13 PM EST up reply actions  

See, told you she wasn’t joking.

Please watch the play. He’s not sitting on his shoulder. He jumps to let any ice-level shots pass through unimpeded. It was the old Ville Nieminen play.

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by jordanDC on Feb 18, 2010 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh, I’ll watch it when I’m not at work. But there was a reason I put the caveat in about “based on this one still frame”… seeing the entire incident may change my opinion of what I would or would not call. But based on the still frame, I’d call the penalty.

The photograph itself cracks me up to no end.

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by IRockTheRed on Feb 18, 2010 2:23 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

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by EmilyB on Feb 18, 2010 2:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I wanna pony for Christmas!

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by IRockTheRed on Feb 18, 2010 2:34 PM EST up reply actions  

No homo/

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by eightyseven on Feb 18, 2010 3:12 PM EST up reply actions  

On the slow-mo replays last night, it definitely looked like his glutes were on Greiss’s shoulder pad. Greiss is in his crease and Sedin is still moving laterally when he makes contact. I’d buy an interference call there.

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by Knee high to a duck on Feb 18, 2010 2:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Refs don’t have slo-mo, though. Is that even a situation in which you can go to video review under IIHF rules?

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by jordanDC on Feb 18, 2010 2:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Refs don’t have slo-mo, though. Is that even a situation in which you can go to video review under IIHF rules?

I have no idea on the second part, but on the first, I expect the refs to catch it. There was definitely contact in the crease, the only question is could Greiss have gotten to the puck without that contact.

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by Knee high to a duck on Feb 18, 2010 2:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah the ref should have seen that live.

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by Rob Parker on Feb 18, 2010 3:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Is there video review under IIHF rules for penalties?

I have to admit I quoted the NHL rulebook… it looks like the only thing the IIHF uses video review for is whether or not a goal was scored.

This is interesting, though:

At no time may a video replay be shown on the jumbo screen if the intent or obvious
effect of the replay will be to incite the fans or to be critical of the officiating of the
game. In particular, close, questionable or controversial officiating calls or plays in
which no call is made and to which the crowd reaction is obviously negative, may not be
replayed. Although live game action is permitted on the jumbo screen, fights and
situations leading to fights may not be replayed. Finally, the showing of video from the video goal judge replay system is not permitted.

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by IRockTheRed on Feb 18, 2010 2:39 PM EST up reply actions  

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Oh, and this is IIHF rules too.

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by IRockTheRed on Feb 18, 2010 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I’d need more than one angle on this one to be sure… but if Sedin puts his glutes on Greiss’s shoulder pad, and his skate where it looks like his skate is put, and Greiss is forced back from the contact… yeah, I’d buy interference too. You can’t do your job with a forward on your shoulder very well.

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by IRockTheRed on Feb 18, 2010 2:34 PM EST up reply actions  

He’s not forced back. There’s just a bump, and Greiss goes into indignant goalie mode and gives up on trying to play hockey.

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by jordanDC on Feb 18, 2010 2:36 PM EST up reply actions  

No, but it did stop Greiss from moving back to the right, which is where he needed to be to stop the shot.

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by Knee high to a duck on Feb 18, 2010 2:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I submit that he could have made the move if he wanted to. It’s like with forwards that get tripped.. some guys lay on the ice and cry for a call, others try to fight through it and continue to play.

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by jordanDC on Feb 18, 2010 2:39 PM EST up reply actions  

The other factor I’m missing is whether or not there was a goal scored in the subsequent moments? I’d guess from the nature of the comments that there was.

Contact with the goalie should have resulted in the goal being disallowed, as there is no way in HELL Sedin tried to avoid said contact; he was several feet off the ground when contact was made, and I don’t hear anybody saying that Greiss skated forward into Sedin while Sedin was hopping in the air…

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by IRockTheRed on Feb 18, 2010 2:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Disagree, Sedin starts his jump right where Ohlund is starting his downswing. Greiss is too far to the left to begin with, but by the time Sedin was on the ice again, the puck was in the net.

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by Knee high to a duck on Feb 18, 2010 2:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Greiss was just falling for the Nieminen play and worrying too much about Sedin to make a stop. If he scoots back toward his crossbar an inch, he would be able to react with little difficulty and perhaps make the save because Sedin was on the outside of the crease and never ventured inside of it. His asshole might have broken the plane of the crease when he jumped, but that’s incidental contact.

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by jordanDC on Feb 18, 2010 2:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed.

Image #4 is the damning one. Sedin is definitely interfering with Greiss.

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by IRockTheRed on Feb 18, 2010 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  

And he’s got his butt in Greiss’s face.

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by IRockTheRed on Feb 18, 2010 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Where is Sedin in the crease, though?

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by jordanDC on Feb 18, 2010 2:53 PM EST up reply actions  

if you’re sitting on top of a goaltender who’s foot is in the crease, aren’t you in the crease?

by Natty Bumppo on Feb 18, 2010 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

If he’s not in the crease, it’s incidental contact and it’s a good goal.

Also, the goal is on Greiss for looking around Sedin the wrong way. If he pokes his head around the other side, he’d basically already in position to make the save. You can’t leave a whole half of the net open like that when the puck is at the point.

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by jordanDC on Feb 18, 2010 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Err, what? Look at the progression of the pictures, Greiss is looking straight on at Ohlund until Sedin jumps into him.

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by Knee high to a duck on Feb 18, 2010 2:57 PM EST up reply actions  

WRONG.

3. A goalkeeper is not "Fair Game" just because he is outside of the goal crease area. A penalty for a "Interference" or "Charging" shall be called in every case where an opposing player makes unnecessary contact with a goalkeeper.

There’s contact. It’s not inadvertent contact (like when you just accidentally tap the goalie with your stick); it’s significant enough to cause the goalie to have to change his position.

Ergo, interference.

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by IRockTheRed on Feb 18, 2010 3:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Again, NHL rules, right?

And it’s not like he ran the goalie. He jumped to avoid getting a puck in the ankles and his ass brushed Greiss.

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by jordanDC on Feb 18, 2010 3:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Nope.

IIHF rules.

Here.

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by IRockTheRed on Feb 18, 2010 3:04 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I don’t think it was enough contact to really make a difference. I also think Greiss was positioning himself in such a way so as to try and get a call. And he could have slid back a little and made the save.

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by jordanDC on Feb 18, 2010 3:06 PM EST up reply actions  

If the previously posited sphincter is in contact with Greiss and Greiss is in the crease (he is), then it’s interference.

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by Knee high to a duck on Feb 18, 2010 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Previously posited posterior would have been much better for alliterative purposes. Oh well.

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by Knee high to a duck on Feb 18, 2010 2:58 PM EST up reply actions  

He’s halfway out of the crease. One foot in, one out. I would say the Swedish asshole is walking the line. I’d call it a good goal. It’s too borderline to call off in the second period of a 0-0 game in any case.

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by jordanDC on Feb 18, 2010 3:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Picture of import

Both skates in the crease, Sedin forcing him further left in contact. Interference.

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by Knee high to a duck on Feb 18, 2010 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Skates on the border line of the crease. Sedin can’t occupy the same space as Greiss, so that means he’s outside of the crease.

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by jordanDC on Feb 18, 2010 3:07 PM EST up reply actions  

And the IIHF rule, which I quoted, clearly states that the goalie does not have to be in the crease for contact to be considered interference.

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by IRockTheRed on Feb 18, 2010 3:08 PM EST up reply actions  

But I’ll wager that most refs (like the one in the game) won’t call that little bump interference in that situation.

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by jordanDC on Feb 18, 2010 3:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Okay, first off, if you’re in contact, you’re tangent to each other and therefore at the same point. In this case, that point, like Greiss’s shoulder, is in the crease.

Secondly, the right skate is completely in the crease, which is the side that Sedin is on.

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by Knee high to a duck on Feb 18, 2010 3:11 PM EST up reply actions  

They’re both on the borderline of the crease, then. And that clearly complicates things!

This is another one of those situations where it probably seems like I care a hell of a lot more than I do.

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by jordanDC on Feb 18, 2010 3:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Your exclamation points do make it seem so, yes.

by DrinkingPartner on Feb 18, 2010 3:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I use them to add visual interest.

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by jordanDC on Feb 18, 2010 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

The front toe might be on the border of the crease, but the pads — and shoulders with Swedish butt attached to them — are in the crease. Not that it matters, according to the IIHF rulebook, whether the contact is in the crease or not is irrelevant. The contact moves the goalie in the opposite direction of the shot, that goes in before the contact is over. It’s interference.

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by Knee high to a duck on Feb 18, 2010 3:19 PM EST up reply actions  

But what about how Greiss is willfully hoping for that scenario rather than trying to make a save? That’s kinda what gets me.

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by jordanDC on Feb 18, 2010 3:21 PM EST up reply actions  

It looks like he’s trying to make the save to me, which is why his glove and pad come out to the side the shot is coming. I just don’t think he was allowed to.

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by Knee high to a duck on Feb 18, 2010 3:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I get annoyed when goalies play at the edge of their crease and then get annoyed if they get the tiniest little Swedish bum in their face. Coulda backed up, coulda stopped it.

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by jordanDC on Feb 18, 2010 3:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Bum in the face would have been fine, bum on the side of his face not so much.

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by Knee high to a duck on Feb 18, 2010 3:34 PM EST up reply actions  

So you’re saying the intention of the goaltender NEGATES the fact that Sedin jumped on him? Come on. Intentional or not, he jumped onto Greiss. It’s clear cut interference.

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by Whiter Mage on Feb 18, 2010 6:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Greiss’ left foot is in the crease, but his left leg is also in the process of moving back and to the left for the shot, so it is not directly underneath the rest of his body. Sedin leaves the ice outside of the crease and lands outside of the crease, so I think it’s incidental contact and should count.

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by Killer_Carlson on Feb 18, 2010 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Motherfuckin’ this.

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by jordanDC on Feb 18, 2010 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

from my viewing, the only reason sedin lands outside the crease is because he bounces off greiss.

by Natty Bumppo on Feb 18, 2010 4:19 PM EST up reply actions  

And because he starts jumping from outside the crease, too.

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by jordanDC on Feb 18, 2010 4:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Again, crease doesn’t matter for goalie interference, Sedin moved laterally into Greiss during the windup and prevented him from making a play on the puck. But, take a look at the 3rd frame up top, just to humor me. Draw a straight line in Sedin’s direction of travel — it travels directly through the crease and directly through Greiss. I’m not buying incidental.

Greiss’s left leg is moving to make a kick in the direction of the save, his right leg remains straddling the crease. Reverse that if you’re talking about the camera perspective, but the point still stands. Sedin is on his shoulder in the direction that he has to move to get to the shot and Greiss is in the crease. Sedin made lateral movement to get there, not just vertical, it’s interference. Wash it out.

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by Knee high to a duck on Feb 18, 2010 6:12 PM EST up reply actions  

…Oh dear.

How does Greiss pronounce his name?

Is it “Grice” or “Grease”?

Because if the latter, this statement takes on a whole new level of ickiness.

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by IRockTheRed on Feb 18, 2010 3:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Grice

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by jordanDC on Feb 18, 2010 3:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Good.

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by IRockTheRed on Feb 18, 2010 3:09 PM EST up reply actions  

He doesn’t have to be.

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by IRockTheRed on Feb 18, 2010 2:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Right, but Greiss DOES for it to be worthy of having the goal called off. Show me where Sedin’s feet are inside the crease and I’ll agree with you.

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by jordanDC on Feb 18, 2010 3:00 PM EST up reply actions  

No, he does not.

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by IRockTheRed on Feb 18, 2010 3:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Says you!

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by jordanDC on Feb 18, 2010 3:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Says the rules.

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by IRockTheRed on Feb 18, 2010 3:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I stand corrected. I could have sworn “crease” was used as a reference to a part of the goalie’s anatomy.

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by Scott in Shaw on Feb 18, 2010 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

No, in this case, it’s referring to a part of the attacking player’s anatomy… the part that is in the goalie’s face.

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by IRockTheRed on Feb 18, 2010 3:46 PM EST up reply actions  

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 18, 2010 10:17 AM EST up reply actions  

A rule’s a rule and all, but I don’t understand why the crease was such hallowed territory, especially when, as Hull is here, nowhere near to interfering with his ability to do his job.

by DrinkingPartner on Feb 18, 2010 10:19 AM EST up reply actions  

I always thought he was following the puck

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 18, 2010 10:20 AM EST up reply actions  

The problem with this picture is that it doesn’t show you Hull going into the crease to retrieve the puck in the first place.

Once he (legally) gained possesion of the puck and manuvered it out of the crease and around Hasek (which is what we see here) it does not matter that his skate was still in the crease because the player with the puck cannot be in an off-sides position.

The hockey crease has never been like the lacrosse crease which is always a 100% no-go zone for attacking players, even if the ball is in the crease. Attacking players have always been allowed to enter the crease in hockey provided they do so after the puck has entered, which Hull did in 1999.

Just because the buffons at ESPN could never understand the difference doesn’t mean that the call was wrong.

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by Caps Nut on Feb 18, 2010 11:52 AM EST up reply actions  

They could solve this whole thing by making the hockey crease a 100% no-go zone for attacking players. You go in the crease, you get a penalty. Works for me. :-)

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by IRockTheRed on Feb 18, 2010 3:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Hope you like 2-1 games.

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by jordanDC on Feb 18, 2010 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Of course one does need to be fluent in reading sarcasm…

Personally, I’d rather see a well-played 2-1 game than a 10-3 blowout any day of the week.

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by IRockTheRed on Feb 18, 2010 3:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Does that move Knuble out of his office?

by miseenjeu on Feb 18, 2010 9:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Standing on the shoulders of giants Germans?

by redlineblue on Feb 18, 2010 10:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Those German uniforms were bad ass.

They’ve always been a well-dressed people.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 18, 2010 10:12 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree: I was strongly reminded of the old Canucks in a good way.

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I was too! The first thing I said when I turned on the TV…“Holy crap…they look just like the Canucks!”

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 18, 2010 10:21 AM EST up reply actions  

I was expecting to see Bure.

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by jordanDC on Feb 18, 2010 10:23 AM EST up reply actions  

OK

Am I the only one giggling about this photo this morning?

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by IRockTheRed on Feb 18, 2010 10:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Sedin might as well be a lolcat. I just wish we had him sitting on a Xerox with his brother standing next to the output.

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LOL!

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by IRockTheRed on Feb 18, 2010 10:22 AM EST up reply actions  

If that’s the only bad call you’ve seen you clearly didn’t watch the CZE-SLO game last night. Some brutal non-calls.

I actually think that was the right call to allow the goal. While there was contact, Sedin was out of the crease and jumped up, not back into Greiss. Sure, he prevented Greiss from coming out more and cutting out the angle, but a forward who has set up shop outside of the crease has no obligation to move out of the way to concede that space of ice to the goalie.

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I did not watch SLO/CZE. I had to be up early.

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We knew it!

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Hossa / Demitra / Gaborik’s magic, sersly.

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by eightyseven on Feb 18, 2010 7:22 PM EST up reply actions  

The only bad call? You must not have watched SLO/CZE. Jagr got away with two blatant penalties, one resulting in a goal. Zednik got hit with a lame trip. It was pretty bad. I thought that was a tough call for Greiss, but I don’t know if the IIHF actually thinks the crease means something. Greiss was out of the blue paint, if just a little bit, and if they allow incidental contact then maybe the goal could stand. I didn’t like it, but it wasn’t the only bad call yesterday.

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If that’s the only bad call you’ve seen you clearly didn’t watch the CZE-SLO game last night. Some brutal non-calls.
The only bad call? You must not have watched SLO/CZE.

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by Gould Old Days on Feb 19, 2010 2:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Only in the way that black people use it.

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Should we try to make the Caps America’s team?

If that means we have to be lumped in the same group as the Cowboys and the Yankees… I’ll take the championships and leave the hyperbolic media pet-name.

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FTR, I can’t think of anything that makes less sense than dubbing the Caps “America’s Team.” There are no American or Canadian Olympians on the team (and I believe that the Caps are the only team sending five or more Olympians of which this is true). Yeah, they play in Washington. So what? If you look around DC, you realize that it’s not exactly your white-bread, Main Street, flag-waving town. So what makes them America’s Team in any yway?

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They drape themselves in red, white and blue and kick ass?

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Draping yourself in red, white, and blue does not an American make – the Russian flag is the same color :)

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by gotsparkly on Feb 18, 2010 8:40 AM EST up reply actions  

so is France's

Just sayin’. :P

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by Chris Burton on Feb 18, 2010 8:42 AM EST up reply actions  

And France and the UK and Australia and the Netherlands and Norway and Slovakia and Serbia and…

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And Nepal!

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 18, 2010 8:46 AM EST up reply actions  

I believe that and Ohio’s state flag (also red, white and blue) may be the only non-rectangular flags of any governmental unit.

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by J.P. on Feb 18, 2010 8:48 AM EST up reply actions  

I still maintain that Maryland has the coolest state flag. Ohio is pretty bitchin’ though.

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The Maryland state flag is one of a kind. Bad ass.

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One of a kind? Bavaria called.

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Yep. Its not even a flag…it’s a pennant.

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Ohio wanted to save on material costs

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by Sombrero Guy on Feb 18, 2010 2:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Its because the state has such a rich seafaring history…

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They’ve seen their share of fire on the seas…

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by Rob Parker on Feb 18, 2010 3:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Most people from Ohio just try to block out the fact that Cleveland exists

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by Doncosmic on Feb 18, 2010 6:33 PM EST up reply actions  

But people from Cleveland are ridiculously loyal to their hometown.

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by Rob Parker on Feb 18, 2010 6:38 PM EST up reply actions  

…except lebron james. /snark

by Natty Bumppo on Feb 18, 2010 7:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Heh. I use that to tease my Cleveland friends. They are holding out hope that he’ll finally bring them a championship. Suckers.

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yea, its like Pittsburg people, Forbes just released a list of the top 20 most miserable cities, and 5 of them were in Northern Ohio, its just nasty up there

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by Doncosmic on Feb 18, 2010 7:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Related viewing: part 1 and part 2. Hilarious.

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by J.P. on Feb 18, 2010 8:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Exactly. Suits me this way too.

BTW – did anyone else catch the love the Nicky was getting after Sweden’s second goal last night? He was even getting some (very) grudging love from Milbury.

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I got the feeling he was implying Backstrom was only so good because he was playing with Ovechkin all the time.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 18, 2010 8:49 AM EST up reply actions  

He was doing more than implying it.

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inferring? ;)

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 18, 2010 8:57 AM EST up reply actions  

That’s why I said very grudging – he had to be careful because backstrom had just proved otherwise in front of his face.

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by gotsparkly on Feb 18, 2010 9:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Catch 22

Ovie isn’t a leader, Backstrom isn’t good without Ovie, thus making Ovie good? Oh no, that can’t be true, guess Backstrom, damn euro, is half decent after all.

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by Bman21212 on Feb 18, 2010 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

They have a guy who shot a teammate in the face (ok, the ear) with a shot.

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by ThePeerless on Feb 18, 2010 8:40 AM EST up reply actions  

So they should be “America’s former Vice President”?

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by J.P. on Feb 18, 2010 8:45 AM EST up reply actions  

SJS is sending more Olympians than the Caps are, and I think VAN too. I think SJS is the most.

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by Rob Parker on Feb 18, 2010 3:11 PM EST up reply actions  

but none of the Caps guys are Canadian/American. I think that was the original point.

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by Sombrero Guy on Feb 18, 2010 3:46 PM EST up reply actions  

None of the Caps guys are on the Canadian or American teams, you mean?

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by IRockTheRed on Feb 18, 2010 3:47 PM EST up reply actions  

yes, Caps Olympians. I missed an important word in that sentence.

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by Sombrero Guy on Feb 18, 2010 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, but the other teams sending more (I think) all have at leasy one guy on either the CAN or USA squads. Caps’ guys are all on Euro squads.

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by gotsparkly on Feb 18, 2010 3:49 PM EST up reply actions  

This. Besides, we’re already perceived as having an ignorant fanbase, imagine how bad it would be if we were like Yankees/Cowboys/Lakers fans? I mean, half the people wearing Yankee’s garb can’t tell you what position Derek Jeter plays and will just shout “26!!!” Not too far off-base from Pens fans, but their fans are generally more knowledgeable about the team. So no. No to “America’s Team”.

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by snakegriffin on Feb 18, 2010 8:42 AM EST up reply actions  

we’re already perceived as having an ignorant fanbase

Huh? I thought that was the theory on Nashville and Atlanta fans.

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by Chris Burton on Feb 18, 2010 8:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Anyone south of the Mason-Dixon.

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by J.P. on Feb 18, 2010 8:46 AM EST up reply actions  

a real shame

Stupid stereotypes.

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by Chris Burton on Feb 18, 2010 8:49 AM EST up reply actions  

if i may..

..two of the best blogs on SBN are doing a fine job disproving that stereotype.

by Natty Bumppo on Feb 18, 2010 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

which ones?

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by Chris Burton on Feb 18, 2010 1:49 PM EST up reply actions  

You and Bird Watchers Anonymous.

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by J.P. on Feb 18, 2010 1:50 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

For the record, the Mason-Dixon Line runs through Maryland and Pennsylvania, so we are also south of it.

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by gfcaps fan on Feb 18, 2010 3:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Right – which is what I was getting at when snake said “we’re already perceived as having an ignorant fanbase” and Chris thought it only applied to them.

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by J.P. on Feb 18, 2010 3:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, I thought so, the comments were circling around, so I wanted to make sure you were including yourself.

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by gfcaps fan on Feb 18, 2010 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

No love for W4E?

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by Rob Parker on Feb 18, 2010 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

well, not canes country…..

by Natty Bumppo on Feb 18, 2010 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

oh, I don't read BWA much

but I like Canes Country. Good guys over there, quite friendly.

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by Chris Burton on Feb 18, 2010 1:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Some of us have a history over there — I can’t say I’m enamored of that particular blog, its commentators, or its editors. I’ve simply stopped visiting, I get myself in less trouble that way.

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by Knee high to a duck on Feb 18, 2010 2:09 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

fair enough

I don’t comment, I’ve just corresponded with Bob and Cory privately and they’re quite helpful.

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by Chris Burton on Feb 18, 2010 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Bwahahahahahahahaha.

Seriously. The Flash for Hamhuis trade is off now.

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by Rob Parker on Feb 18, 2010 3:16 PM EST up reply actions  

noooooooooooooooo

I take it all back.

Seriously, though, you must have a problem with CC?

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by Chris Burton on Feb 18, 2010 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

They tried to run us this summer.

Epic FAIL.

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by EmilyB on Feb 18, 2010 3:53 PM EST up reply actions  

wait, what?

Come again?

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by Chris Burton on Feb 18, 2010 3:54 PM EST up reply actions  

YNC might be referencing this one. comment section was a nice little beat down by a few of our road trippers.

by Natty Bumppo on Feb 18, 2010 3:56 PM EST up reply actions  

It got more acrimonious as their season got worse and ours got better, and the Gleason incident pretty much split us up.

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by EmilyB on Feb 18, 2010 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

lulz I wonder if F&B would still put Ward ahead of Semin.

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by jordanDC on Feb 18, 2010 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

makes more sense now

They lost me when I saw that Staal and Lecavalier were “better” than Backstrom. I guess he didn’t watch hockey.

I can see where the rift came about. Apparently the CCers like to make mountains of molehills and whatnot.

On the other hand, I wish OtF was that busy.

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by Chris Burton on Feb 18, 2010 4:05 PM EST up reply actions  

:/ I commented about Hornqvist once..

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by jordanDC on Feb 18, 2010 4:07 PM EST up reply actions  

:)

And thanks for that! We really churn out the content, and have a lot of traffic, so I’m not sure why the comments don’t come.

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by Chris Burton on Feb 18, 2010 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

‘Cos the staff’s always here.

;-)

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by EmilyB on Feb 18, 2010 4:11 PM EST up reply actions  

LOL

Oh no, I keep both places up. There’s just a slight disparity in user participation. I enjoy the Caps, and have to use the computer all day for work and school, so they lend themselves to each other.

If OtF had anywhere near this user participation, I’d be right on top of it.

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by Chris Burton on Feb 18, 2010 4:14 PM EST up reply actions  

It’ll come. CC wasn’t always that active. When I first started looking over there it wasn’t like it is now. Good on them for developing a readership and commentariat, but I can’t agree with how they manage their comments section.

You guys run a solid blog. I’ve been reading Dirk’s stuff for a while. Once the comments start coming you’ll see me over there much more (for better or worse).

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by Rob Parker on Feb 18, 2010 4:25 PM EST up reply actions  

We’re trying to do stuff to get the participation up, ‘cause we know we have the readers. I’ve interviewed several other bloggers, which has brought the other fans in OK, and Dirk’s SWOT series from this week has gotten some great feedback, even if it is kinda bitchy about our power play :P.

I haven’t been there but a few months, so I’m still kinda getting my feet wet with analysis and special pieces.

A lot of Pred fans have huge problems with our local media, as do I, but they don’t necessarily know about the high quality blogging going on. That awareness needs to be brought up.

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by Chris Burton on Feb 18, 2010 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah it takes time, but having problems with local media is a good thing, IMO. It really opens a niche for you guys because you’ll be the best place in town for news/analysis.

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by Rob Parker on Feb 18, 2010 4:48 PM EST up reply actions  

i’ll add that i’m a member and a regular visitor, but i read more than i comment almost everywhere i go.

by Natty Bumppo on Feb 18, 2010 4:12 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s normal for me too, except at the Rink.

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by Rob Parker on Feb 18, 2010 4:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I’ll try to step it up in the future. I enjoy the annual Preds push for the playoffs.

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by jordanDC on Feb 18, 2010 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

dirk’s mike green for MVP piece was happily forwarded to like 30 of my friends, too.

by Natty Bumppo on Feb 18, 2010 4:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Dirk rocks

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by Chris Burton on Feb 18, 2010 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

To be honest, I don’t know that I ever really would have. I was kinda just throwing them a bone. If I put every Cap that high then they would have really freaked out. I don’t think Ward is anything special. He got the nod to keep peace and because a G is always more important than a 2W.

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by Rob Parker on Feb 18, 2010 4:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I’ve had my issues with them. But I’m handling it by ignoring them, they just bring out the worst in me. I’m also going to refrain from making my private feelings public; it serves no purpose.

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by Rob Parker on Feb 18, 2010 4:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Why would they shout “26” at Jeter?

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 18, 2010 8:43 AM EST up reply actions  

“26” is the incorrect number of World Series they’ve won, which is the only “fact” that most Yankees fans know. It’s popular now because it was the number they had before the Sox won their two recently and it was the popular retort to gloating Sox fans, so it’s now burned into their heads.

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by snakegriffin on Feb 18, 2010 8:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Gotcha.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 18, 2010 8:50 AM EST up reply actions  

half the people wearing Yankee’s garb can’t tell you what position Derek Jeter plays

Look, Yankees fans can be insufferable assholes. This is true. But give credit where it’s due. I’ve been to a ton of games at Yankee stadium, and I don’t hear half as much ignorant stuff about the sport as I hear when I go see a Caps game at VC. At the very least they mostly know their stuff, and they damn sure know who Derek Jeter is and where he plays.

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by Rob Parker on Feb 18, 2010 3:15 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

theres a big difference between people who wear Yankees stuff and the people at the stadium, though that may change now that there crowd is mainly rich wall street types since the prices are so ridiculous at the new place

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by Doncosmic on Feb 18, 2010 7:05 PM EST up reply actions  

The old Toronto Maple Leafs effect. Maybe it’ll happen.

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by Rob Parker on Feb 18, 2010 7:12 PM EST up reply actions  

But the role of “America’s team” is already being filled by the New York Rangers.

/ESPN’d

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by Gould Old Days on Feb 18, 2010 9:23 AM EST up reply actions  

I grew up thinking America’s Team played games starting at 7:35 p.m. on WTBS.

by patred48 on Feb 18, 2010 12:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Braves?

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by Chris Burton on Feb 18, 2010 12:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Wysh tweeted late last night "From: @wyshynski
Sent: Feb 18, 2010 1:47a

OMG RT @dchesnokov Russia will roll out a newly created power play unit of Malkin, Ovechkin, Semin, Kovalchuk and Gonchar tomorrow"

That’s what I call must-see-TV. Can’t wait to catch that in action.

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by Knee high to a duck on Feb 18, 2010 8:51 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

oh crap

That could conceivably garner a perfect conversion rate through the prelims, man, thats terrifying.

That looks like a fantasy draft from NHL 10 where you had the first five picks.

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by Chris Burton on Feb 18, 2010 8:53 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Let’s not forget that 40% of that power play currently operates with arguably the game’s best playmaker in Pittsburgh and has had its fair share of struggles.

But yeah.

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by J.P. on Feb 18, 2010 8:56 AM EST up reply actions  

sure

But as Hooks implied yesterday a lot of the problems come from them passing it back and forth for the one timer. Don’t think that unit will have that problem, if Malkin will be willing to park in front with I’m assuming Kovy and Semin on the walls?

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by Chris Burton on Feb 18, 2010 8:59 AM EST up reply actions  

I dunno, I think Kovy is actually a better point player than Ovechkin is. His one-timer is absolutely wicked sick and I feel like he does a better job keeping pucks in at the blueline. I don’t have any stats to back that up, though.

Ideally, I’d like Semin and Ovie on the half-walls, Malkin cruising for rebounds and sliding into the slot and Gonchar-Kovalchuk on the points. Kovy is definitely the trigger-man, but Gonchar is no slouch putting pucks through from the point, either. Semin and/or Ovie should be able to work some nasty give-n-gos with Malkin working under the goal line, just huge pressure anywhere you look.

The great thing about this unit is you have 3 elite playmakers and one very good one and one merely good one, along with 4 elite shots and another very good one. The puck is going to be able to go anywhere from anywhere and if they move their feet, it’s going to intimidate the hell out of opposing teams.

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by Knee high to a duck on Feb 18, 2010 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

What’s more scarier are the guys that AREN’T on that first unit…like Messrs. Markov and Datsyuk

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 18, 2010 9:01 AM EST up reply actions  

At the risk of going off-topic – what would Don Cherry’s first 5 picks be like on an NHL 10 fantasy draft? Certainly not any of them…

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by snakegriffin on Feb 18, 2010 9:04 AM EST up reply actions  

1. Crosby
2. Heatley
3. Nash
4/5- Staal/Toews

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by Chris Burton on Feb 18, 2010 9:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Ah, but which Staal? THEY’RE ALL SO GOOD!!!! xD

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by snakegriffin on Feb 18, 2010 9:06 AM EST up reply actions  

1. Doug Gilmour
2. Doug Gilmour
3. Doug Gilmour
4. Matt Duchene
5. Doug Gilmour

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 18, 2010 9:11 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

In Matt Duchene’s defense, I can see why everyone loves him. He is a hard working kid, who also happens to be a hockey geek. He is one of the few hockey geeks to make the NHL.

by Link_Gaetz on Feb 18, 2010 9:20 AM EST up reply actions  

I know. I hear the same spiel every saturday on “Matt Duchene’s Corner”.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 18, 2010 9:26 AM EST up reply actions  

HE’S GOT…HE’S GOT 20 GOALS. HE LEADS ALL ROOKIES IN GOALS.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 18, 2010 9:26 AM EST up reply actions  

I had only wished Varlamov had stayed healthy and won the Calder so I could hear the rant when he beat out Duchene.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 18, 2010 9:30 AM EST up reply actions  

I only wish

Hornqvist hadn’t played in those 25 games last year and gotten like 3 points. He’d be running away with the Calder this year.

Or, maybe not. National media doesn’t really like the Preds, as evidenced by Weber not getting a look for the Norris last year.

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by Chris Burton on Feb 18, 2010 9:35 AM EST up reply actions  

And Trotz not getting a Jack Adams.

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by Steckel Me Elmo on Feb 18, 2010 9:36 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah

That applies to almost every year, except last year. He consistently works miracles.

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by Chris Burton on Feb 18, 2010 9:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Shea Weber won’t catch Duncan Keith this year for the Norris, but he’s in the conversation. Wouldn’t surprise me to see him as a finalist.

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by bigonetimer on Feb 18, 2010 9:40 AM EST up reply actions  

no, not this year

I don’t think he should be, unless he blows up after the break. Keith, Green, and probably Doughty will get the nods there. He’s slowed this year mainly because we’ve been much better offensively 5-on5, and haven’t needed him to score as much.

Last year, though, was an injustice. He was dominant.

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by Chris Burton on Feb 18, 2010 9:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Varly’s just one more soft Euro player. Look at the visor he’s wearing! And all those pads!

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If Grapes and I agree on one thing only, let it be on Doug Gilmour.

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by bigonetimer on Feb 18, 2010 9:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed. Love Gilmour.

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by Rob Parker on Feb 18, 2010 3:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Come on, you gotta have a defenseman in there.

Phaneuf…

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by Gould Old Days on Feb 18, 2010 9:28 AM EST up reply actions  

But Phaneuf > Pronger?

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by snakegriffin on Feb 18, 2010 9:29 AM EST up reply actions  

I am an unabashed member of the Matt Duchene man-crush club.

by Link_Gaetz on Feb 18, 2010 9:31 AM EST up reply actions  

On a Don Cherry team, yes.

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by Gould Old Days on Feb 18, 2010 9:44 AM EST up reply actions  

You took Gonchar and Kovalchuk when you had the first five picks?

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by Whiter Mage on Feb 18, 2010 6:44 PM EST up reply actions  

more hyperbole, than anything

to point out that sick PP.

I might take Kovy top 5, but then again, probably not.

Yeah, definitely not. Interesting exercise, though.

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by Chris Burton on Feb 18, 2010 6:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Was teasing, a little. I’d take Backstrom over Kovy, and Luongo over Gonchar.

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by Whiter Mage on Feb 18, 2010 6:50 PM EST up reply actions  

And when is this game on? This I must see.

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by gotsparkly on Feb 18, 2010 9:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Half past midnight, like the rest of Team Russia’s games, it appears… :-p

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by IRockTheRed on Feb 18, 2010 10:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Schedule claims right at midnight actually…and the last midnight Russia game seemed to start on time.

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by mch on Feb 18, 2010 11:45 AM EST up reply actions  

AIEEE!

Who came up with that sport, anyway? It’s shuffleboard on ice, FFS!

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by IRockTheRed on Feb 18, 2010 1:01 PM EST up reply actions  

The Scots.

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by CapitalCentre on Feb 18, 2010 2:31 PM EST up reply actions  

It is chess on ice and it is awesome!

But NBC should have a dedicated hockey channel since there are at least three games a day and it makes no sense to be cutting in and out of the coverage.

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by oldemystix on Feb 18, 2010 4:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Universal HD would be great for that. Right now they only have a two-or-so-hour recap show on every day, if I recall correctly.

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by jordanDC on Feb 18, 2010 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

How does one say “Carebears” in Russian?

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by EmilyB on Feb 18, 2010 1:01 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

National Team.

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медведи заботы

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Medvedi zaboti

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by CapsFan75 on Feb 18, 2010 7:31 PM EST up reply actions  

#needsmorebradley

we're not gonna allow someone like Downie to go after him.

by Sct112 on Feb 18, 2010 1:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Forward… to halfback… to forward… to halfback… holds it… hoooooooolds iiiiit…

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by Rob Parker on Feb 18, 2010 3:23 PM EST up reply actions  

EXACTLY what i was begging for against latvia. THAT is what a russian power play should look like. here’s hoping AO and gonchar are on the points.

by Natty Bumppo on Feb 18, 2010 1:38 PM EST up reply actions  

What? No KHL firepower?

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From the RMNB translation:

AZ – Where’s the stick you scored in Torino Olympic quarterfinal against Canada with?
AO – I don’t know, I didn’t save it. I collect sticks of other players, not my own.

Anyone else find this odd? I wouldn’t expect a professional player to collect sticks of other professionals. I wonder whose sticks are in his collection. Teammates? Famous players? It would be interesting to take a look.

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Probably a bit of both. At Gretzky’s last game, he gave out sticks to all his teammates, and a few opponents have asked for them through the years as well.

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I’d be very honored as a player if Ovechkin of all people wanted one of my sticks for his collection.

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by Laich It Or Lump It on Feb 18, 2010 9:11 AM EST up reply actions  

I don’t think this is news. I remember several stories of Ovi collecting sticks from opponents.

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by gfcaps fan on Feb 18, 2010 9:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Hmm, I must of missed that. I do remember reading an article about him having a private hockey museum in his house though.

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by Laich It Or Lump It on Feb 18, 2010 9:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Here’s one related article, though the photos seem to have been taken down.

http://www.rushockey.com/index.php?l=eng&t=1&s=1&st=212

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by Gould Old Days on Feb 18, 2010 9:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Ovi’s stick prolly get collected by HoF curators.

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by EmilyB on Feb 18, 2010 9:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Not really, he probably broke it next shift. Remember Green didn’t want to send his stick to the HHOF because he had a low supply of that model.

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by apk3000 on Feb 18, 2010 9:12 AM EST up reply actions  

He collects sticks from tons of players. Probably has one for the top 3 players on each team in the NHL by now.

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by zephyr on Feb 18, 2010 10:23 AM EST up reply actions  

there was great video after AO and crosby’s first NHL game against each other: the two met up outside the locker rooms and exchanged sticks.

by Natty Bumppo on Feb 18, 2010 1:42 PM EST up reply actions  

…and then fought to the death?

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by Rob Parker on Feb 18, 2010 3:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Varly's 'Lympic Mask

Not that we’ll see much of it. And he was wearing his old Caps mask in practice yesterday. This one continues with the stars-n-eagles theme:

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by EmilyB on Feb 18, 2010 9:04 AM EST reply actions  

National team mask > club team mask, but that’s one person’s opinion.

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by Bald Pollack on Feb 18, 2010 9:05 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Agree wholeheartedly. Love the wings.

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by Gould Old Days on Feb 18, 2010 9:38 AM EST up reply actions  

That’s a great looking mask. I’d wear it if it didn’t have the varly across it.

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by zephyr on Feb 18, 2010 10:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Well, maybe if you changed your last name to Varlamov you could.

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by CapsFan75 on Feb 18, 2010 7:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Change it to gnarly.

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by oldemystix on Feb 19, 2010 12:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Zephyr’s new name: Zephyr Gnarly. Suitable enough for wearing the Varly mask.

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by CapsFan75 on Feb 19, 2010 8:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Disagree entirely.

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by Whiter Mage on Feb 18, 2010 6:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I assume he’s gonna get smacked by the IOC for having “Varly” on it, as Quick and Miller did, right?

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by J.P. on Feb 18, 2010 9:08 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Didn’t they get dinged for what was considered advertising and political propaganda? That’s the way I heard it.

by Gin and Tonic on Feb 18, 2010 10:37 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Quick should have just put “Support Our Troops” on backwards. Or in Pig Latin.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 18, 2010 10:38 AM EST up reply actions  

“Spoort Ruo Troppus” actually still kinda sounds like that.

by DrinkingPartner on Feb 18, 2010 10:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Sounds like its in Astro language.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 18, 2010 11:00 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I think yes on “Miller Time,” but that having any personal names on there was also a problem.

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by J.P. on Feb 18, 2010 11:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Does Kipprusoff’s have “Kipper” on it? I didn’t get to see the Finland, Finland (Is the Country Where I Want to be) game yesterday.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 18, 2010 11:20 AM EST up reply actions  

He likes canned fish?

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by Gould Old Days on Feb 18, 2010 11:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Or a British cartoon dog?

You had me at "no problem"!

by mosaicist on Feb 18, 2010 3:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Some of them were able to keep other personal stuff. For instance, Miller was able to keep “Matt Man” in tribute of his cousin who died from cancer.

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by zephyr on Feb 18, 2010 11:26 AM EST up reply actions  

oops… guess that question got settled…

never mind

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by ThePeerless on Feb 18, 2010 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Miller was asked to cover the “Matt Man” and Spartan bulldog on the back of his helmet, too. Don’t know if he complied with that.

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by ThePeerless on Feb 18, 2010 12:49 PM EST up reply actions  

the ioc can suck it… they don’t get their panties in a pinch when the teams have their sponsor’s name plastered everywhere. i was kinda shocked to see the US team’s unis during the opening ceremony. i didn’t realize we were team ralph… if ‘support our troops’ or a guy’s name can be considered a propaganda slogan they should just eliminate all national flags from uniforms. it could be like the non-denominational christmas special on south park…

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by Bongos on Feb 18, 2010 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Uniforms are made by approved sponsors. Other logos, such as flags, are also approved to identifiy teams and countries. “Support Our Troops” is propaganda and is not allowed.

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by oldemystix on Feb 18, 2010 4:39 PM EST up reply actions  

What if it had said “I Support Our Troops?”

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by jordanDC on Feb 18, 2010 4:40 PM EST up reply actions  

“I Support Our Troops” is what I meant.

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by jordanDC on Feb 18, 2010 4:41 PM EST up reply actions  

You would be making a personal statement and that crosses the line. Supporting troops is a political and social issue that also refers to the controversial topic of war. We are at war, yes, but there is no need to bring that war to the Olympics even obliquely. The Olympics is supposed to be apolitical and peaceful.

“Support the victims of the Haitian earthquake” is another emotional subject that would also cross the line in terms of the Olympic rules and regulations.

Now, if they banned “Hi, Mom and Dad,” then I would think that the IOC had gone too far.

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by oldemystix on Feb 18, 2010 4:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree, just wanted to put it out there as a topic for discussion.

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by jordanDC on Feb 18, 2010 4:59 PM EST up reply actions  

“I heart Jacques Rogge”

Can I have that on my mask?

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by ThePeerless on Feb 19, 2010 4:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Imagine how much he could raise for charity if he auctioned that beauty off after the Games.

by b.orr4 on Feb 18, 2010 9:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Imagine how much he could raise for charity if he auctioned that beauty off after the
Games
clinching the Stanley Cup.

by S h a g g y on Feb 18, 2010 10:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Very slick!

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by IRockTheRed on Feb 18, 2010 10:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Holtby pushing the blue chip pile...too soon?

As Franks and Beans pointed out yesterday, our ‘blue chip prospects’ are Alzner, the Real American Hero and the goalies. Perhaps it’s past time to look at Holtby’s emergence as another opportunity for George to make a play at the deadline, by dealing from this particular position of strength in net. With Flash or Fehr as the most likely offensive guys to move, and the sobering reality that only the Caps dig John Erskine and his affordable contract, one of Neuvy or Holtby could sweeten a larger deal with the appropriate team.

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by bigonetimer on Feb 18, 2010 9:35 AM EST reply actions  

Problem is that it’s a bad time to decide which one you trade. Varlamov is just back from injury and stunk up the joint last week. Neuvirth is hurt now, and no one seems to have any idea how long he’s going to be out. Therefore, you really can’t give up Holtby right now, either, as he’s all you’ve got healthy in the pipeline. That’s today, of course, but the decisions have to be made by the end of the Olympics.

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by gfcaps fan on Feb 18, 2010 9:40 AM EST up reply actions  

right-I agree with the timeline to make the decision. Part of it is George’s thinking about going with the youngsters as a tandem next year and giving Holtby the full #1 for another year in Hershey. But if he intends to get another (cheaper) vet backup and still keep the kids (read: Varlwirth), I could see a situation where, say, Edmonton is looking at Dubnyk and thinking that he’s not the answer and may call on George about Holtby…most spitballing ideas, but I get your drift about timing.

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by bigonetimer on Feb 18, 2010 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I love Hotby

I don’t expect him to be traded soon, as I actually think he could be the “Goalie of the Future”. He has some of Varly’s athleticism, but doesn’t have the injury history. And he’s a great puck handler. I can’t wait to see him playa NHL game next year.

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by Bman21212 on Feb 18, 2010 12:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Am I mistaken in that he seems to play with a little more of an “edge”, a little more snarl? Maybe he just interviews that way.

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by EmilyB on Feb 18, 2010 12:17 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s what I’ve heard.

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by Ovechwin on Feb 18, 2010 12:42 PM EST up reply actions  

When I saw him last weekend, he impressed me as a more “physical” goaltender (even if he had perhaps his worst game of the season) who will not shrink in his crease. He does look to be a good puck handler. I’m having trouble wrapping my arms around this idea of him resembling M-A Fleury. In the way he carries himself, the way he plays the puck, how he manages the crease, he looks to me to resemble (ok, be a faint echo of) Martin Brodeur. Holtby is somewhat less of a “hybrid” than Brodeur and more a butterfly type, but he still has some of that, “do whatever you need to do” style that Brodeur has.

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by ThePeerless on Feb 18, 2010 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

He’s a very good puck-handler, and does not mind leaving the crease to play the puck; when he does, it’s well-done. He doesn’t just dump the puck to the other team and find himself halfway in the middle of the ice to be skated around. :-) I like Holtby’s style, and I think he’s arguably the best puckhandling goalie we have.

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by IRockTheRed on Feb 18, 2010 1:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah. I remember when I went up to see Hershey a couple of weeks ago, he cleared two or three dump-ins that ended up behind his net. Didn’t just set them up for his defensemen, but cleared them out of the zone from behind the net himself. He has a bit of that “third D-man” aspect to him that Marty has.

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by Wheeler on Feb 18, 2010 1:11 PM EST up reply actions  

The move I saw him do about a month or so ago was a diving poke-check to stop a breakaway. He got the puck, sent it speeding into the neutral zone to his own player, and did not get the attacking player at all. He was out at the hash-marks, face-down on the ice when he pulled it off.

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by IRockTheRed on Feb 18, 2010 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

well he has 12 PIMs 6 of which are roughing penalties(2 in one game vs WBS)

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by jenlee0828 on Feb 18, 2010 1:54 PM EST up reply actions  

I’d rather move Neuvy than Holtby.

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by Rob Parker on Feb 18, 2010 3:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Slava talks with Flash

Post Heavy Medal blog

“What about of Ovie?”
“Ovie is crazy, but I am crazier than him.”
“You are?”
“Mmm, no, not really. But I have to be.”

Yeah, good luck with that, Flash.

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by apk3000 on Feb 18, 2010 10:52 AM EST reply actions  

“Ovie is crazy, but I am crazier than him.”
“You are?”
“I have a collection of fingertips buried under my floorboards.”
“….”

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by jordanDC on Feb 18, 2010 10:54 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I knew I was in trouble when he asked me to help him move a couch.

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“It gives me $3 million a year or else it gets the hose again!”

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by Bald Pollack on Feb 18, 2010 11:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Mister… my family will pay cash. Whatever ransom you’re askin’ for, they pay it.

by S h a g g y on Feb 18, 2010 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

You don’t know what pain is!

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by bigonetimer on Feb 18, 2010 12:35 PM EST up reply actions  

If you remember correctly, you offered him to help move the couch. That one is on you.

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by Rob Parker on Feb 18, 2010 3:35 PM EST up reply actions  

“He did say he would kill Backstrom if he has a chance. I am sure this threat would be applicable to you as well.”
“Yeah, I remember him saying that. Hey, that’s Ovie, it sounds like something he would say. But it’s all great fun anyway.”

I can’t imagine getting killed by Ovie would be a fun experience.

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by Ovechwin on Feb 18, 2010 10:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Maybe Flash is a bit of a masochist?

by BradleyFightingVehicle on Feb 18, 2010 10:57 AM EST up reply actions  

I don’t see why this is a dilemma. Olympic hockey is about the country, not the collection of players on the team. I’m rooting for the USA crest and rooting at a distant second for my favorite players.

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by zephyr on Feb 18, 2010 11:29 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

well, if you look at the poll, a lot of voters indicated tepid support of team USA. of the 34 votes, only 14 expressed outright support for the American team, while the rest are either secretly or overtly rooting for other national teams.

how many Americans basketball fans would even consider rooting for international countries in Olympic play?

by clarkgriswold on Feb 18, 2010 11:35 AM EST up reply actions  

None. I don’t care about basketball, and it would be nice if it went away forever after their lockout in a year or two.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 18, 2010 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Exactly. If Ovechkin or Backstrom or whoever were traded to another NHL team would you root for that team instead of the Caps? I see it as the same thing.

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by Killer_Carlson on Feb 18, 2010 12:26 PM EST up reply actions  

im not lobbying one way or another – simply pointing out that due to the unique international makeup of the NHL (compared to the nba and mlb), the average American hockey fan doesn’t typically root for American born players. the question is how does this affect national allegiances in international play. judging the poll results, there seems to be a bit of a split – 53% of the votes indicate either secret or outright support for other national teams.

by clarkgriswold on Feb 18, 2010 1:27 PM EST up reply actions  

its a fair question, and I’m going to sound like a broken record, but I have no problem rooting for Team USA first, but I’m going out of my way to watch and cheer for Russia and Sweeden as well.

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by Sombrero Guy on Feb 18, 2010 2:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I have no problem rooting for Russia first, because I think they can actually beat the Canadians.

Russia beating the USA & Canada for the gold > USA beating Russia and losing to Canada.

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by Bman21212 on Feb 18, 2010 2:44 PM EST up reply actions  

If Ovechkin or Backstrom or whoever were traded to another NHL team would you root for that team instead of the Caps?

Absolutely. I’m still rooting for Juice and Clark.

Atta dinnin stick a who!

by Gould Old Days on Feb 18, 2010 1:42 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Over the Caps?

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by Rob Parker on Feb 18, 2010 3:38 PM EST up reply actions  

No, I’ll never get over Macho Grande

by Icebat on Feb 18, 2010 4:06 PM EST up reply actions  

So am I, but are you going to root for Columbus over the Caps if they play? That’s the same thing as rooting for Russia or Sweden over the US.

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by Killer_Carlson on Feb 18, 2010 4:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually it’s nowhere near as bad as rooting for Russia or Sweden over the US.

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by jordanDC on Feb 18, 2010 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s some solid patriotism. And fwiw, me, K_C, and SME gave Clark a standing ovation at NYI when we were at their first game with CBJ.

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by Rob Parker on Feb 18, 2010 4:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Good man.

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by jordanDC on Feb 18, 2010 4:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Good men.

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by EmilyB on Feb 18, 2010 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

No, Jordan had it right. I orchestrated the whole thing. He must have implicitly knew it.

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by Rob Parker on Feb 18, 2010 4:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Had a feeling.

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by jordanDC on Feb 18, 2010 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s funny — the older and crotchety-er I get, the tougher it is for me to root for a shirt. I’d drop the Caps fast if they were ever sold to a Snyder/Angelos type owner. The reason I’m a fan is that this is a good organization. And my view of the USA olympic team is colored by the same lens. That team is run by Burke and Wilson — run by the same folks who brought you the ultra-political USA juniors hockey program. I’m just turned off by the whole thing.

I love the USA where it matters. But in sports? There, I tend to root for the human, not the flag. And this year’s crop of folks on the USA team just ain’t doin’ it for me.

If the Olympics went back to amateurs, I’d probably root a lot more strongly for the USA. I thrilled with this year’s juniors win, just like everyone else. But with the pros playing in the Olympics, the whole thing feels mercenary. And on that level, I find myself rooting for the players I like, not the country I like.

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by Gould Old Days on Feb 19, 2010 5:13 AM EST up reply actions  

the older and crotchety-er I get, the tougher it is for me to root for a shirt

What if it were a wet t-shirt?

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by oldemystix on Feb 19, 2010 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

If the Olympics went back to amateurs

This implies that Olympic hockey ever was a competition of amateurs. I also don’t see how it changes rooting for your country though. The WJC pits each country’s best juniors against each other and the Olympics pits each country’s best adults against each other. I don’t see why one is more deserving of patriotic support than the other. It’s not like the US WJC team wasn’t run by the ultra-political USA hockey – something that goes way beyond Burke and Wilson. I actually think they did a pretty good job picking the Olympic team.

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by Killer_Carlson on Feb 19, 2010 1:16 PM EST up reply actions  

How are Burke and Wilson responsible for the politics of the USA juniors program? That stuff started before they rose to prominence in the organization, and they (to my knowledge) don’t have much input on the Juniors decision. You know I hate the political stuff, but I just don’t see how the blame lies on the guys who run the Olympic team; those guys are all associated with NHL teams and don’t have the time or input to manipulate the WJC or U-17 teams, etc. Start rooting for USA before I have to slap you with a fish.

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by Rob Parker on Feb 19, 2010 2:26 PM EST up reply actions  

At this point, I’m rooting for no injuries

To me, it’s about the meaningful matchups: CAN-RUS for the gold, for example, would be epic. I’d be lying if I said I was ambivalent about the rest of the games, but other than seeing the US (and Caps of course) do well, I can’t get too charged up about another country’s team.

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by bigonetimer on Feb 18, 2010 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Caps fans: who are you rooting for?

Any team that’s playing Canada.

by b.orr4 on Feb 18, 2010 3:05 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

The h8 is strong.

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by eightyseven on Feb 18, 2010 5:33 PM EST up reply actions  

i actually love basketball but, like you, find the NBA to be unwatchable.

by clarkgriswold on Feb 18, 2010 12:09 PM EST reply actions  

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 18, 2010 12:58 PM EST up reply actions  

My problem with Ted’s comparison between the Caps and Team Canada is that he uses the example of the Caps vs. the Pens (easily the best regular season games) against Canada vs… Norway.

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by Jake Shapiro on Feb 18, 2010 12:18 PM EST reply actions  

Norway-USA game thread

Here.

If you’re gonna be in a game thread, why not the big one?

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by Chris Burton on Feb 18, 2010 12:38 PM EST reply actions  

Why leave The Rink when we’ve got our own game thread?

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by J.P. on Feb 18, 2010 1:51 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

because

You can branch out socially this way. I’ve seen St. Louis Game Time, PPP, OtF, Litter Box Cats…everyone coming in and cheering on the same team. Kinda neat.

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by Chris Burton on Feb 18, 2010 2:00 PM EST up reply actions  

We’re an elitist clique. When we venture beyond our borders, trouble ensues.

Just kidding. Sorta. Most of us travel very well (and often).

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by J.P. on Feb 18, 2010 2:13 PM EST up reply actions  

…most of us.

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by Rob Parker on Feb 18, 2010 3:39 PM EST up reply actions  

A little Swedish media love for The Backis.

Plus his linemate Alfredsson not happy with Olympic ice.

You’ll need to run your own translations here: http://translate.google.com/#

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by EmilyB on Feb 18, 2010 1:07 PM EST reply actions  

Gotta love Google Translate:

Foppa looks surprised when he hears that Backstrom talked about nerves. He has played at the highest level for years. Nice ass to the goal, says Foppa on Bäckströms Olympic debut.

by cuqui on Feb 18, 2010 1:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I totally <3 googletrans.

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by EmilyB on Feb 18, 2010 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

On the Milbury thing...

Charles Pierce of the Boston Globe had a pretty interesting point on his blog:

I have to wonder whether or not Milbury looks at Alex Ovechkin and sees Alexei Yashin, the bag of magic beans that he bought while he was running the Islanders

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 18, 2010 1:27 PM EST reply actions  

The only similarities between Ovechkin and Yashin is that they are both Russians whose names start with “Alex”. It ends there. You’d have to be pretty ignorant about the sport to confuse the two in terms of style of play or personality. Then again, Milbury is an enormous fool…

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by Killer_Carlson on Feb 18, 2010 1:32 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Milbury thinking all Russians are similar isn’t too far from the Don Cherry school of thinking that all European players are “soft”

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Ron and Fez 11 to 3

by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 18, 2010 1:35 PM EST up reply actions  

You left off that their surnames end in “in”… :-)

I need a snappy signature...

by IRockTheRed on Feb 18, 2010 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Speaking of Yashin, I can’t tell whether its hilarious or tragic that the Isles will still be paying his buyout over the next 5 years, at a cost of close to 13 million dollars, including 4.75 million next year.

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Ron and Fez 11 to 3

by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 18, 2010 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Simple:

‘Hilarious’ is the Isles are paying 7 figures for Yashin, whereas
‘Tragic’ is when the Caps are paying 7 figures for Nylander.

by redlineblue on Feb 18, 2010 1:53 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

“I remember that he would always come in late, which was a little annoying,” Bondra said. “I eventually told him that if he wants to keep doing that, he’ll have to pay for his own hotel room.”

Wasn’t there something a while back about Bondra only having to tell Sasha once? And that was why Sasha was going to be able to learn to fix the shortcomings in his game?

Killer_Carlson and Steckel Me Elmo are like brothers to me. And when I say brothers I don't mean like actual brothers. I mean it like how black people use it, which is more meaningful, I think.

by Rob Parker on Feb 18, 2010 2:38 PM EST reply actions  

I remember reading something very similar to what you’re remembering.

My ability to post is only surpassed by my ability to pinch pennies.

by jordanDC on Feb 18, 2010 2:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I remembered something similar too. I’m not sure if this is it, but:

"I said to him, ‘This is not how it’s done,’ and it never happened again. This is why I think he will learn."

From OFB

by reeselynn on Feb 18, 2010 2:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Great teamwork folks!

Killer_Carlson and Steckel Me Elmo are like brothers to me. And when I say brothers I don't mean like actual brothers. I mean it like how black people use it, which is more meaningful, I think.

by Rob Parker on Feb 18, 2010 3:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Corey’s tweeting that Curling is going to OT again? Holy shit, if they bump back USA hockey for that crap..

My ability to post is only surpassed by my ability to pinch pennies.

by jordanDC on Feb 18, 2010 2:53 PM EST reply actions  

So awesome
per @dchesnokov

Vladislav Tretiak and Semyon Varlamov watch games together. Tretiak breaks down goalies’ play for Varlamov, teaches him, coaches.

I have a C on my heart.

by boutros23 on Feb 18, 2010 6:57 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Oh. My. God.

I’m so glad that Varly got to go to these Olympics. What an experience!

Only YOU can prevent idiots from commenting!

by Knee high to a duck on Feb 18, 2010 6:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Varly gets training from the Goalie Master.

Rocking the Red since 1975

by CapsFan75 on Feb 18, 2010 7:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah. I wish I could do that and I’m not even a goalie.

Killer_Carlson and Steckel Me Elmo are like brothers to me. And when I say brothers I don't mean like actual brothers. I mean it like how black people use it, which is more meaningful, I think.

by Rob Parker on Feb 18, 2010 7:00 PM EST up reply actions  

As long as he doesn’t get injured, it will be great. The Russian team shooting at him, and teachings from the master.

They laughed at Columbus, they laughed at Fulton, they laughed at the Wright brothers. But they also laughed at Bozo the Clown.

by Bman21212 on Feb 18, 2010 7:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Here’s hoping it pays off in spades.

I have a C on my heart.

by boutros23 on Feb 18, 2010 7:01 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Salary Cap Question

Since I’m relatively new to hockey, I was wondering how some players salary cap hit differs from the actual salary. Thanks

by jaytown99 on Feb 18, 2010 7:54 PM EST reply actions  

They average out the cap hit over the life of the contract. So if the contract is 5 million in 2007, 4 million in 2008, and 3 million in 2009, the cap hit is 4 million each of the three years.

Atta dinnin stick a who!

by Gould Old Days on Feb 19, 2010 5:15 AM EST up reply actions  

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