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Recap - Hurricanes 4, Capitals 1

[AP Recap - Game Summary - Event Summary - WashingtonCaps.com Postgame]

There's no doubt last night's game meant a lot more to the Hurricanes than it did to the Capitals, a consequence of the 'Canes still being in the process of fighting for their playoff lives, while the Caps, with their comfortable division lead, are anxious for the postseason to begin.  As a result, fans might have expected the Hurricanes to come out flying in an effort to channel their desperation into energy and their energy into an early lead.  It didn't quite play out like that, although the Hurricanes nonetheless were to able to gain an advantage by ensuring that the Capitals were going to have be willing to to do their dirty work - crashing the Carolina net, dumping the puck in deep and retrieving it, and clearing the front of their own net - if they wanted to win the game.  Although the Capitals didn't exactly phone it in last night, they lost in part because their opponent wanted the two points more than they did.

Aside from the result, the biggest story of last night's game has to be the penalties by Joni Pitkanen and Rod Brind'Amour.  The league and the player's association can talk all they want about protecting players from headshots and other dangerous plays, but when cross checks to the head are met with questionable even-up calls and hits from behind three feet from the boards are met with minor penalties, it becomes awfully hard to believe them.

Some additional thoughts on the game:

  • Since snapping a four-game point steak on February 18th, Tomas Fleischmann has played 17 games, scored one goal, registered one assist, and has accumulated a -3 rating.  Fleischmann also has just two goals in his last 29 games, one of which came on the powerplay.  Yet Flash continues to get more ice time than Eric Fehr, both at even strength and on the powerplay.  That just doesn't make sense, and it's getting very difficult to believe it's not hurting the team.
  • Speaking of Flash, his presence on the penalty kill doesn't make much sense either.  We'd much rather see Alexander Semin and Sergei Fedorov out there instead, as was the case last night.
  • Give credit to Carolina's scorekeeper for trying to play up the "rivalry" angle by recording fifty hits, including two by Chris Bourque in less than five minutes of ice time, between the two teams.  Any time Brian Pothier and Jeff Schultz are credited with three hits each, it'll raise a few eyebrows.
  • Brooks Laich loves the blue paint. And we love him for it.
  • On his first shift of the game, John Erskine stood up Erik Cole. Maybe Erskine's a better skater than we've been giving him credit for.  Or maybe he just made a good play.
  • Early in the third period Bruce Boudreau decided it was time to reunite the Care Bear line - and Alexander Semin turned the puck over just inside the Carolina blue line on the trio's first shift.
  • Tom Poti had a very strong night on paper: he was the only Capital to be a plus player and he blocked four shots.
  • The Caps had 32 shots on goal and missed the net 20 times.  The 'Canes had 30 shots on goal and missed the net four times.
  • Black third jerseys are passe and they take away from the uniqueness of a team.  Who did the Capitals play last night, again?  Was it  Carolina?  Or was it Phoenix? ChicagoOttawa? San Jose?  Screw that.  Give me the good ol' Flyer orange any day.

On Tuesday the Capitals travel to Toronto to face a Maple Leafs team that has now won three of its last four and four of its last six. Let's hope the team shows a little more urgency then.

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The moment after the hit, when Ovechkin looked up then crumpled, was scary. We’ve seen players badly injured by such hits and one of our own – Pothier – lost two years from a serious concusion. While I’m no fan of the fights that occur after clean hits, I was shocked and even angry that no Cap teammate immediately went after Brind’Amour. If ever there was a time to fight it was then. Boudreau should’ve sent the boys out for the next faceoff ready for a line brawl. Instead, the club sent a message to the league that we will tolerate cheap hits to our star players.

This needs to be addressed quickly. We can afford a player being suspended for a couple games right now if need be. The next opponent that runs our goalies or takes shots at our skaters needs to be confronted. I love our club, I love our talent – but we are sorely lacking in toughness right now.

by Cap74 on Mar 22, 2009 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Caps have had years (literally!) to address this issue. It’s not just this season. Cue the video of Colby Armstrong taking a run at Ovie. Or Danielle Briere spearing Ovie in the hoo-ha. The Caps’ personnel was different then, but it seems like the result/repercussions were the same.
 
Have the Caps developed a “culture of softness”?

I have as many wins in a Capitals uniform as Michael Belhumeur does.

by marky narc on Mar 22, 2009 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn’t say it’s the only thing that mattered from last night, but it’s certainly the lasting impression. Shameful.

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by J.P. on Mar 22, 2009 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

There is a problem with retaliation in the last 5 minutes of a game...

It’s called a one-game suspension if you get called for instigating.

With the blind walrus on the ice, do you really think any of our guys would risk being suspended for a game to get back at Brind’Amour last night? I certainly don’t.

Our guys are smarter than that.

by IRockTheRed on Mar 22, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah. That’s why they did nothing.

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by J.P. on Mar 22, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

They do play them again, hopefully there is a wanted sign up in the locker room until someone provides a little bit of payback for that.

by Sct112 on Mar 22, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Except for C-Bo (who wasn’t going to get a sniff of ice at that point anyway) I don’t see why anyone on our team would really care about getting suspended. We have TOR up next and the 3 seed locked. We should be able to beat TOR with only half of our NHL roster (but won’t). If they are going to treat games against lesser opponents like they don’t matter then why does it matter whether we have someone suspended for sticking up for AO?

by Rob Parker on Mar 22, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, two things.

One major motivation is money. Peerless mentions that the guys on the ice when the hit occurred were Pothier, Kozlov, and Semin. A game suspension means a loss of $51,219.51 for Semin and $30,487.80 for Pothier or Kozlov. Of course, they make a lot of money and could stand to miss a game check, but that still could be a reason.

The other is that instigators in the last five minutes cost the coach $10,000 the first time and can lead to the coach being suspended too.

by David Getz on Mar 22, 2009 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Those are good reasons to consider. But do you really think any of those guys went through that thought process? I don’t think any of those 3 had the inclination to go after Brindy and then thought “Oh crap, I could get myself or BB suspended/fined, I better slow down.” I don’t think the initial reaction of anyone on the ice was to do anything at all. I guess we’ll never know for sure but the thought of any of those guys considering a paycheck or a fine is appalling to me.

by Rob Parker on Mar 22, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

With those three on the ice? No, I don’t think any of them thought it.

by David Getz on Mar 22, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

If there’s a single guy on this team who thinks about his paycheck before his teammates, he ought not be drawing a salary from this team.

And they never suspend under that “last five minute” rule, especially when the fighter isn’t a fighter. And again, no one’s saying there needed to be a full-on fight there either.

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by J.P. on Mar 22, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

If there’s a single guy on this team who thinks about his paycheck before his teammates, he ought not be drawing a salary from this team.

I agree, and I think the players would agree too, but I thought it worth mentioning that, even if the games don’t mean that much, the guys aren’t going to want to get suspended.

by David Getz on Mar 22, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t know the answer to this question, but how many guys have been suspended under the “last five minutes” rule, and how many fights have there been in the last five since the rule was in effect?

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by J.P. on Mar 22, 2009 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t know the answer to the second question, but the answer to the first one is ‘six’, according to Scott Burnside.

by David Getz on Mar 22, 2009 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

So there had been 1218 fighting majors this season (when that article was written), and 36 instigators, or one for roughly every 17 fights, and only six suspensions in the past two seasons for instigators within the last five minutes (and my guess is nearly all of those guys had rap sheets longer than their career scoring records).

Doesn’t sound terribly likely that any of our troops would’ve been suspended.

Oh, and by a looser definition of the term, Brind’Amour “instigated” whatever he’d have gotten by trying to put the League’s best player head-long through the boards.

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by J.P. on Mar 22, 2009 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right, Brind’Amour deserved whatever retribution he would have gotten, and the NHL would have almost certainly recognized it. I agree that probably most of the instigator suspensions were given to true tough guys. Either way, this is all post-hoc rationalization because none of the 3 guys on the ice even considered any of this stuff. The bottom line is that physical retribution is not in this team’s DNA. It hasn’t hurt us in the standings to this point, and I’m not sure that it will be a fatal flaw, but it is something that needs to be acknowledged.

by Rob Parker on Mar 22, 2009 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Very true. Rec’d

Ovie will not soon forget, and if I’m Brind’Amour I don’t want to be coming around the net with my head down in the next game against the Caps.

by Sct112 on Mar 22, 2009 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Could it be as simple as they all expected that it would be a 5 minute penalty on Brind’Amour and they wanted the entire time to get back into the game? If they take a roughing call for giving Rod a face wash, the advantage is nullified. They needed the extra man, and didn’t expect it to be a 2 minute minor?

Not that that excuses it, I would have been just fine with a penalty at that point.

by Sct112 on Mar 22, 2009 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess Russians carry their own water, eh? Given the situation, it would have been asinine to extinguish our last fighting chance down 2 with 100 seconds left., and Bruce, I am certain, had just finished reaming the bench for taking retaliation minors [even if Green’s call was farm fresh horseshit).

30 shots blocked or missed the net. That’s the story of the night for me.

by bigonetimer on Mar 22, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

The only way I can justify Flash’s ice time is, that with the big division lead, Bruce is desperately trying to get him back to the way he way playing in the first half of the season. If Flash doesn’t shake out of it in these remaining 8 games, then we’ll probably see Fehr moved up to the second line for the playoffs.

by b.orr4 on Mar 22, 2009 8:50 AM EDT reply actions  

Ward made a pretty good save on him last night on that semi-breakaway, but on the whole I agree with you completely.

by Sct112 on Mar 22, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

A 35 foot wrist shot is not going to beat most NHL goalies. Ward’s save was OK but I would have probably considered it a soft goal if that had gone in. Flash had no passing options so Ward could focus on him, there was D help so Flash couldn’t walk in. And Flash doesn’t have a shot that can beat a goalie clean from there like AO or AS. I give Flash no credit for that (and second DMG in asking why he was even on the ice in that situation).

by Rob Parker on Mar 22, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would have preferred that Flash drop a shoulder and go to the net, if only to make the defender have to make a play and possibly take a penalty. But alas, that isn’t Flash. I’ll buy the argument that that save was more embellished than it needed to be.

I am the last one that you will see defending Flash on a regular basis. Its nearly impossible for me to understand him getting so much ice time when Fehr has points over his last 12 games but only gets ~10 minutes a night.

by Sct112 on Mar 22, 2009 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Caps will be playing golf in late April

This morning, I woke up and realized that I’ve been wearing rose colored glasses for the past 2 years and buying season tickets to watch a potentially successful playoff team. No more. This is a soft, lazy, uninspired team that will be blown out of the first round.
Sorry.

by Dougeb on Mar 22, 2009 8:51 AM EDT reply actions  

That’s pretty dramatic. The Caps clearly didn’t give a 60 minute effort and looked like they were gliding along at some points- they won’t do that in a 7 game series.

Think about every big game this year and how the Caps (pretty much) always rise to the occasion. Look at everytime we played an “elite” team and look at our record against them. We have certainly struggled down the stretch. But it wasn’t a matter of lack of skill or coaching-it was pure laziness or anticipation for the “real” season to begin.

Every “elite” team has gone through this because of that same thing.

We have the team to compete with all 30 in the league-it’s a matter of effort. Don’t think for a second that when the first round rolls around there will be a lack of effort. They’ve been waiting for this since Game 7 of last year and I’m confident they will make it count.

In the meantime however, we can hope for the Canadiens in the first round :).

" 60 percent of the time...it works everytime"

by shwedy on Mar 22, 2009 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

A little over the top

Wow. Chill, guy. It’s a very long season for these guys. Most of these guys are playing with hurtins of some kinds – I think AO is for sure. That’s doesn’t mean I feel sorry for the players – they are paid well for their work.

To me, the most important thing is that they be ready for the first round of the playoffs. I don’t think they’ll get past the second round this year, but it really all depends on which four teams are left after round one.

It is kinda too bad the Caps may NOT be the hottest team going in to the playoffs. Poor play going in to the first round is usually not a good sign

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by hotdog88gt on Mar 22, 2009 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

I can understand the frustration, but I think that to look at the team’s past month or so rather than its entire body of work on the season is a bit myopic (though “uninspired” is certainly a shoe that fits at the moment).

The real concern, however, is whether or not they can get back to the kind of play that had them dominating not too long ago when it matters.

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by J.P. on Mar 22, 2009 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Okay Dougeb, why don’t you just sell your season tickets on E-Bay or Stub Hub or Ticket Resalers or something, if you’re as disillusioned with the team as you appear to be.

by CapsFan75 on Mar 22, 2009 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

He’s being way over dramatic, for sure, but teams that stumble into the playoffs tend to stumble out of them quickly.
 
The Caps have eight games left, all against teams not in the playoffs as of today. Bruce ought to treat them like a playoff series (or wait a game and treat the last seven like a playoff series) just to get these guys in the correct mindset. Right now, it seems like too many guys are coasting.

I have as many wins in a Capitals uniform as Michael Belhumeur does.

by marky narc on Mar 22, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Disappointed for sure.....

No, I dont support buying season tickets and then sellling them off. That is being disloyal to those around you and I won’t do that. However, the guy in front of me “sells” his tickets over half the time. I’ve had 2 home games “ruined” by obnoxious Pens & Flyers fans.

I’ll be back for the 2009/2010 season but likely won’t be taking the option to purchase playoff tickets.

After watching last night’s game, I suddenly realized this team is not constructed for the playoffs. Way too soft and passive. The skill is there, which is why so many get all excited about watching the Caps. The NHL playoffs are more about grit, determination and a team defense concept than pretty goals and skill.

by Dougeb on Mar 22, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I see where you’re coming from, but even when the Caps have been faltering and inconsistent recently they are playing well against good teams and there are stats (relative shoot percentages, penalty kill success) to suggest they’re successfully bearing down in those games and getting the job done.

Not saying I’m thrilled with efforts like last night but I still think the team should win their first playoff round and could win another.

by David Getz on Mar 22, 2009 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree. I don’t like the ‘Canes as a first round match up but we should beat them if we play how we can. I’m disappointed with how they’ve played lately (as well as everyone else), but the ‘Canes didn’t beat us with grit or toughness, they just beat us on effort. It’s disappointing but it doesn’t reveal a fatal playoff flaw.

by Rob Parker on Mar 22, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree that this team is too soft for a long run into the playoffs. If they could get some of the physicality of the Flyers it would be nice.

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by hotdog88gt on Mar 22, 2009 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who makes Detroit tougher than the Caps?

by Sct112 on Mar 22, 2009 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

A fair question, and an equally apt one is, why should people expect the Capitals to back down in the playoff? There’s a lot more to toughness than laying big hits and fighting and the only guys on the Capitals who disappear when you get physical on them are Kozlov (sort of, but definitely in the playoffs) and Fleischmann.

by David Getz on Mar 22, 2009 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rec’d.

DET may not have a true tough guy but you can’t intimidate Datsyuck, Zetterberg, Lidstrom, Kronwall, etc. That is the essence of modern NHL toughness. Not having a bunch of guys with 300 PIM.

by Rob Parker on Mar 22, 2009 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

On the other hand, they keep beating the best team in the conference and have a winning record against the conference’s playoff teams too. It’s pretty clear they’re having trouble finding the same kind of motivation for games they were earlier in the season, but they’ll be fine come playoff time.

by David Getz on Mar 22, 2009 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

100% agreed.

" 60 percent of the time...it works everytime"

by shwedy on Mar 22, 2009 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Rec’d and agreed. I think they’ll find the motivation.

Hopefully this two games in 10 days will be good for us – we can rest some of the bumps and bruises.

"It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees." - Delores Ibarruri

by gotsparkly on Mar 23, 2009 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Missing the Net

On missing the net on 40% (20 of 52) of their shots last night:
These guys have been shooting hockey pucks at a net for 10, 20, and for some nearly 30 years now. You would think they know where to aim by now!

It’s not rocket science to say that the closer you are, the bigger the net looks.

by Bartolo on Mar 22, 2009 10:50 AM EDT reply actions  

The perfect shot

It’s a natural by-product of this team’s style of attack. They want to make the perfect shot or the pretty pass rather than just putting their head down, getting a shot on net and collectively driving the net looking for rebounds. They are terrible at attacking in that manner and it’s hard to see that automatically changing when it needs to come playoff time. Bruce has talked about changing that mentality all year long when they face or lose to teams with strong team defenses but it just simply has not happened. Their sheer skill level pushes it out of the forefront a lot of the time but it remains a big issue that they really need to work on.

If this team gets bounced in the first round the defense will likely be pointed out but how they attack as a team could be just as big of a culprit.

by Langway on Mar 22, 2009 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bruce has talked about changing that mentality all year long when they face or lose to teams with strong team defenses but it just simply has not happened. Their sheer skill level pushes it out of the forefront a lot of the time but it remains a big issue that they really need to work on.

Boudreau has the power to change that by rewarding players who are willing to get to the net. He can talk about it all he wants, but talk isn’t going to change anything.

by David Getz on Mar 22, 2009 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Absolutely. That’s a big reason why Eric Fehr should see more ice-time. He’s still developing and his conditioning could be better but he hustles and that’s what they’ll need when it matters most.

by Langway on Mar 22, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed. I have a lot more faith in Brooks Laich and Eric Fehr generating offensive chances and being productive in the postseason than I do in Fleischmann.

by David Getz on Mar 22, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Which is why Fehr played instead of Flash in the playoffs last year even though Fehr was just getting back into shape and Flash had played all year. I also think it’s time BB moves Schultz to the wing and puts him in front of the net on the PP.

by Rob Parker on Mar 22, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m still pissed about matching minors after Green gets high sticked by Pitkanen, Pitkanen goes right at Green’s face after the whistle, Green defends himself and they end up with matching minors.

And as Tyler noted, its complete bullcrap that nobody stepped up Brind’amour.

by Sombrero Guy on Mar 22, 2009 10:51 AM EDT reply actions  

At that moment, let’s look at who was available to do the stepping up…Kozlov, Semin, and Pothier. That’s who was on the ice. No one there is going to be getting in anyone’s face. And Brind’Amour didn’t take another shift in that game.

But I would hope some guys have long memories.

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by ThePeerless on Mar 22, 2009 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

We all know Semin could take him, Peerless.

by David Getz on Mar 22, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

There was a Staal on that team, so it’s was probable Semin could fight.

by CapitalsKremlin on Mar 22, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I’d have been happy with any one of those guys skating up to Brind’Amour and giving him a shove.

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by J.P. on Mar 22, 2009 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

correct me if i'm wrong...

… but wasn’t it Alex Semin that got right in the face of Upshall (might have the wrong Flyer) during the playoffs after he took a late jab at Huet? backed him all the way into the corner, if I recall correctly. It’s only one example, but i’ve seen it a few other times. And all jokes about playing the bongos aside, he got right into Staal’s face, too. So it wouldn’t have surprised me if he’d gone after Brindy there.

by TJA on Mar 22, 2009 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I feel like there’s a very good chance that would have ended poorly for Semin.

by David Getz on Mar 22, 2009 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

possibly, but I think it’s more likely it draws the other two in to one big scrum…

by TJA on Mar 22, 2009 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I don’t understand that call against Green at all. Pitkanen high sticks Green, then grabs him in an effort to even things up/out. They’re saying that in that sequence the only person to do anything wrong after the high stick was Green? Uh, no. Green and Pitkanen should have gotten 2 each for roughing and then Pitkanen an extra 2 for the high stick.

I have as many wins in a Capitals uniform as Michael Belhumeur does.

by marky narc on Mar 22, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Pitkanen should have gotten 5 for a cross check, not 2 for a high stick. That was a clear a cross check as you’ll ever see, and if you’re not going to give them 5 for intentional shots to the head what are you going to give them 5 for? The fact that he got only 2 and didn’t get roughing as well was a joke of gigantic proportions.

by brs03 on Mar 22, 2009 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Brind’amour isn’t known for boarding players or taking runs. While I agree with all of you that someone should have “laid down the law,” I’m not surprised it didn’t happen. How many times have we seen this happen all season and nobody does anything? I’m used to it by now, and that’s not a good thing.

My only two thoughts were: the game is under 5 minutes and I believe there’s a rule (I’m not 100% so please correct) that suspends players who randomly start fights in the last 5 minutes of the game, and a penalty was assessed and the players felt that was justice enough, remember, the Caps blew a few power play chances because they retaliated hence drawing 4-on-4’s.

Either way, I’m not happy with the game, the hit, and the actions of our team afterwards and it just reminds me of the playoffs last year. Huet got run and our big guys stood and watched.

That can’t happen in the playoffs, the 73rd game of the season or the first game of the season.

by CapitalsKremlin on Mar 22, 2009 12:03 PM EDT reply actions  

My only two thoughts were: the game is under 5 minutes and I believe there’s a rule (I’m not 100% so please correct) that suspends players who randomly start fights in the last 5 minutes of the game, and a penalty was assessed and the players felt that was justice enough, remember, the Caps blew a few power play chances because they retaliated hence drawing 4-on-4’s.

If a player gets called for instigating in the last five minutes (or OT, fwiw) it’s a game misconduct and the player and coach can also be suspended a game, although the suspension is usually reserved for obvious cases of guys being on the ice to rough up the other team. The best example for the Caps might be the day before Thanksgiving against Atlanta when Hanlon was coaching.

by David Getz on Mar 22, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks, and I remember being at that game in Nov. Probably the first time I’ve ever joined a “fire X” chant.

Anyway, do you think that maybe that applied to the Brinda’mour hit? I think it happened with 2 or 3 mins left in the game.

by CapitalsKremlin on Mar 22, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks, and I remember being at that game in Nov. Probably the first time I’ve ever joined a "fire X" chant.

Different game. The one I was talking about was the year before, when Andy Sutton took a run at Mike Green and there were five fights in the game’s last three minutes or so Here’s the box score.

I don’t think the rule played a factor in the Brind’amour hit. I think it was a combination of the personnel on the ice and the team wanting the powerplay.

by David Getz on Mar 22, 2009 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I remember that game now, quite well actually. I believe lord Bettman had a chat with both teams before their next meeting because of that brawl. Good times.

by CapitalsKremlin on Mar 22, 2009 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

It wouldn’t, no; the rule is specific to instigating a fight. If someone had gone for Brind’Amour, they might have gotten called as an instigator. You have to look at the referees, too, and given the blind walrus’s penchant for putting Caps in the box, and given Ovechkin was OK, or seemed to be, you just don’t risk it.

Here’s the rule for your reference:

47.12 Instigator in Final Five Minutes of Regulation Time (or Anytime in
Overtime) – A player or goalkeeper who is deemed to be the instigator
of an altercation in the final five (5) minutes of regulation time or at
any time in overtime shall be assessed an instigator minor penalty, a
major penalty for fighting, and a game misconduct penalty (see
47.22).

47.22 Fines and Suspensions – Instigator in Final Five Minutes of
Regulation Time (or Anytime in Overtime) – A player or goalkeeper
who is deemed to be the instigator of an altercation in the final five (5)
minutes of regulation time or at anytime in overtime, shall
automatically be suspended for one game.

by IRockTheRed on Mar 22, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think he was asking if we thought the instigator was part of the reason no one on the Capitals jumped to Ovie’s defense.

by David Getz on Mar 22, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

There is the whole instigator rule but it is also subject to league discretion. I think the league usually does not give an instigator suspension if the fight started organically, i.e. from a dirty hit. The league is more concerned with losing teams just starting fights for frustration. Here is your example of the league waiving an instigator at the end of the game.

Brown hits Ribeiro and gets a boarding call. Morrow clearly instigates a fight, in the final 2 minutes of regulation. I realize the score was tied so you can argue that it wasn’t really “the last five minutes” of the game. But when the NHL said they were not suspending Morrow they said it was because the fight was an effort to stick up for a teammate, not to goon up the end of a game. I think a similar approach would have been taken here. Again, it is hindsight, my point is just that fights in the final 5 minutes are also not automatically going to result in instigator fines/suspensions.

by Rob Parker on Mar 22, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bingo. If I recall correctly, there was a Shane Doan incident that similarly resulted in no suspensions for anyone b/c it was Shane Doan and not a guy whose sole reason for getting a sweater on a given night is to punch someone else’s lights out.

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by J.P. on Mar 22, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right. And Gretzky was the coach.

by Rob Parker on Mar 22, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Amen! Same thing we’ve been saying, he basicly said that selanne is ok but OV’s is not and lumps all of his celebrations together. Get Over It Already!

by MetalCap on Mar 22, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

No kidding. Mike Milbury’s ideal NHL apparently has less players being excited over goals and more stickwork after the whistle.

by David Getz on Mar 22, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mike Milbury complains about Ovie’s harmless antics today on the NBC broadcast, but (as #26 of the Boston Bruins) I guess it was okay to climb the glass at MSG and assault a fan (with the fan’s own shoe) in a team vs. crowd fight (check it out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAMfEAjlRKQ ). Now THAT’s how you show some class and have respect for the game…

by MetalCapsFan on Mar 22, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is it my imagination or did he basically say that AO celebrates like he did after his 50th on every goal he scores now (huh?) and that he’d be fine with it if it was just after big goals, like his 50th, for example (huh?).

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by J.P. on Mar 22, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s what I heard.

by David Getz on Mar 22, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wonder if Boudreau is going to say he really likes Milbury like he did with Cherry. Of all the good things Bruce has done for this team, I really was disappointed with the way he hung Alex out to dry on this. I always thought he was supposed to be a player’s coach, but lately he seems more concerned with his own reputation in the hockey world. I’ll be curious if he’s got the balls to rip Milbury.

by b.orr4 on Mar 22, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mike Milbury doesn’t warrant the kind of response that Don Cherry does. BB has addressed the celebration with AO and I don’t think he even needs to acknowledge Milbury’s existence. If he does have to say something about MIlbury I hope it’s along the lines of “Just imagine what kind of trade return Mad Mike could get for AO; he could probably land a First, a Fourth, and a decent prospect.”

by Rob Parker on Mar 22, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Keen observation

I share your thoughts on Boudreau’s leaving Alex out to dry with Cherry. Honestly, I think there is a rift brewing. Cherry is going to write the prologue for Bruce’s new book. Perhaps Boudreau is angling to be the head coach for the Canadian Olympic Team. Who knows, but he was NOT supportive of Ovechkin.

by Dougeb on Mar 22, 2009 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just because BB didn’t come out and say “What Alex did was fine” doesn’t mean he hung him out to dry. BB just said he was going to have a talk with AO and left it with that. He didn’t call him out in the media or do anything that should upset AO. The reality is that a lot of people thought that AO was over the line with that celebration, including old school guys, which BB is by virtue of his age and Canadian upbringing. I think you guys are making a bigger deal out of BB’s response than is necessary.

by Rob Parker on Mar 22, 2009 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

The point is Bruce didn’t have to say or do anything. Stating he was going to have a talk with Alex strongly implied he thinks what AO did was wrong. That’s breaking the cardinal rule in coaching, you always have your guys backs. Just this week, the Maryland point guard Gervais Vasquez said Memphis wouldn’t be a .500 team in the ACC. Of course, Memphis tore up Maryland when ethey played and their guys said what Vasquez said fired them up. When they asked Williams after the game if that comment played a factor in the loss, he said no. In reality, of course he knew it stoked Memphis to play extra hard and, no doubt, he was pissed the comment was made, but he wasn’t going to hang his point guard out to dry. That’s what coaches do. They back their stars even when they know they’re wrong. That’s why players will go through a wall for their coaches.

by b.orr4 on Mar 22, 2009 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

The problem with that is that if you back the stars, you either create a hierarchy or you put yourself in a situation where you have to back every player on every controversial issue, and those are both situations where you can lose credibility and respect with your team.

by David Getz on Mar 22, 2009 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

He said he didn’t like his attitude, before the celebration even happened!

by Feeshbate on Mar 22, 2009 2:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Ok rereading that I didnt make sense but you all know what I meant. Milbury sucks…and he just said “face rape”

by MetalCap on Mar 22, 2009 2:18 PM EDT reply actions  

I was at that game last night.

  • Offense looked out of sync, but we were in the net all the time. We were crashing the net, but not responding fast enough to those rebounds that came out at our feet, allowing the ‘Canes to clear the puck out. We had several absolutely beautiful chances, and nobody was home where the puck went. If we’re coming in closer to the net, we need someone on both sides, or the goalie will just send the puck where we aren’t. It isn’t the style of hockey we’ve been playing this season, though, and getting it right is going to take a little time. It does look like we’ve realized we can’t score all the time from the point, though.
  • Blueline looked good, for the most part; Pothier does look like he needs to rebuild strength, but that will come.
  • The refereeing was utter bologna (original wording censored). That boarding call on Brind’Amour should have been a boarding major from where I was sitting. The roughing call on Green was crap. I didn’t see the hook that got Ovechkin’s goal washed out; I was watching Ovechkin, but it was probably crap too, or a weak call.

This is something like the third game where we’ve had a goal washed out in a row, isn’t it?

The diving call was crap. Utter crap. Just the kind of refereeing I’ve come to expect out of Mourelli and McCreary. ’Scuse me. UNSPORTSMANLIKE CONDUCT is what they list it as on the game summary. From FLASH?! Please! Give me a break.

You can’t play both the officials and the other team and expect to win… that Ovechkin goal that was washed out changes the whole face and direction of the game. After it happened, the boys seemed to lose heart. :(

by IRockTheRed on Mar 22, 2009 2:45 PM EDT reply actions  

The diving call was crap. Utter crap. Just the kind of refereeing I’ve come to expect out of Mourelli and McCreary. ’Scuse me. UNSPORTSMANLIKE CONDUCT is what they list it as on the game summary. From FLASH?! Please! Give me a break.

All diving calls are officially recorded as unsportsmanlike conduct.

by David Getz on Mar 22, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you were at the game last night, you likely didn’t have the chance to see the replays of the dive that the rest of us did, and which many of us found to be completely legit.

The officiating did not cost the Caps last night’s game.

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by J.P. on Mar 22, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Though I doubt anyone can argue that a PP goal frequently sparks the team.

by red army line on Mar 22, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not to threadjack or anything ...

But I saw this and thought y’all would be interested, in a “where are they now” kind of way. I’m watching an online feed of the NJ/BOS matchup, and it turns out its the international feed to Sweden. The intermission studio break features analysis by a former Cap, Calle Johansson.

the link is here, if you are curious

.... formerly "Tim" of StLouisGameTime.com

by CrossCheckRaise on Mar 22, 2009 3:47 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

thanks, and rec'd

it’s not the first time I have wished to understand Swedish.

by bigonetimer on Mar 22, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

thanks

the play by play is the local broadcast (english), but the ads and studio breaks revert back to Sweden

.... formerly "Tim" of StLouisGameTime.com

by CrossCheckRaise on Mar 22, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

by the way

nice little squad you have there under the arch. I hope you guys get in and give the Red Wings holy 7 game hell.

by bigonetimer on Mar 22, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

yep, we’re pretty proud of our team. If we can scratch and claw our way into the playoffs, despite the injuries, it’d be awesome. In another year or two, we’re going to be Cup contenders. The kids are coming along really nicely.

the only thing sweeter than advancing in the playoffs is to do so at the expense of HockeySlum.

For what it’s worth, here’s a screen cap…

.... formerly "Tim" of StLouisGameTime.com

by CrossCheckRaise on Mar 22, 2009 4:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Calle looks like he could still lace ’em up.

by b.orr4 on Mar 22, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

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