Mike Green Snubbed By Team Canada
by J.P. on Dec 30, 2009 12:22 PM EST
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PrintPer numerous sources, Mike Green did not make the Canadian Olympic team. Here's who did:
Goalies: Martin Brodeur, Marc-Andre Fleury, Roberto Luongo
Defensemen: Dan Boyle, Drew Doughty, Duncan Keith, Scott Niedermayer, Chris Pronger, Brent Seabrook, Shea Weber
Forwards: Patrice Bergeron, Sidney Crosby, Ryan Getzlaf, Dany Heatley, Jarome Iginla, Patrick Marleau, Brenden Morrow, Rick Nash, Corey Perry, Mike Richards, Eric Staal, Joe Thornton, Jonathan Toews
As @NateEwell pointed out before the announcement, Green "has been snubbed for WJC team, 2 All-Star games and Norris [and of course now the Olympics]... but proven he can bounce back when slighted." Hopefully Green can use this as motivation to once again prove doubters wrong when it really matters... to Caps fans, at least.
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I hope they suffer an epic collapse in pool play
Fun fact: A popular opinion can still be stupid.
by RedBirdie on Dec 30, 2009 12:23 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
They have before, and I think they will, again.
by DrinkingPartner on Dec 30, 2009 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, but that’s because they took the heart and grit route. And that definitely worked well. I’m sure they won’t do that again, and assuming they don’t, they’ll have no problem scoring with the offense they can field.
Now drink with me deeply of the bourbon, scotch, and rye until such time as we are fighting drunk.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Dec 30, 2009 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
I would be wary of the Swiss, though, they’ve learned from their cheese.
by DrinkingPartner on Dec 30, 2009 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
Go Swiss, Go Germany~
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by Whiter Mage on Dec 30, 2009 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
Go Russia!
(Yeah, go USA, but let’s be realistic, too.)
"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."
Eff Canada.
I will put money on sid the crybaby curls up on the ice and sucks his thumb against Russia.
(not the country, just Sid)
don’t want to offend our north neighbors!!!
I actually root for Canada quite often. More detrimental to that has been the Crosby factor than leaving Greenie off the team.
Russian Machine very rarely breaks.
Curling...
…not fun to watch, but man, is it tough to play. It is a lot of work….
Let's go Caps!
by MikeL-Pivonka on Dec 30, 2009 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
As if I needed another reason to root against Team Canada.
by BradleyFightingVehicle on Dec 30, 2009 12:23 PM EST reply actions
Now I can cheer against Team Canada with a clear conscience.
by IRockTheRed on Dec 30, 2009 12:23 PM EST reply actions 41 recs
And me. I’ve just had a conversation about how I hate the Canadian crowd at junior and expect the Olympics to be worse, so now I don’t even have to watch.
"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."
Same here. I’m really sorry for Greenie but I can’t help it. I’m very happy right now!!
Lobbies: Green, Carlson
by CapsFan2020 on Dec 30, 2009 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
Correct. I have no qualms about booing CAN with all my heart.
by DrinkingPartner on Dec 30, 2009 12:26 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Did my part.
"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."
There should be a special color (colour?) for something with this many recs.
"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."
I think in this case GREEN is an appropriate color
by SeattleCapsFan on Dec 30, 2009 5:51 PM EST up reply actions
Rough. I always assumed a guy with Green’s skillset and mentality would excel in an international game.
You’re right. He would have.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Dec 30, 2009 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
B/c he excels at hockey generally?
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A tournament where he doesn’t have to play against Pronger? How would he not excel?
by DrinkingPartner on Dec 30, 2009 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
Even with the smaller rink I’m betting that the game remains a bit more open. The extra space would have just made him make worse pinches if anything.
I agree with the perception that international play has been less physical, even with regular sized rinks. Don’t know if that’ll hold anymore.
The main thing to me is that Green is a surprise weapon, and his backdoor play might have been more effective against novel competition than it is in the NHL these days.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Dec 30, 2009 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
He played pretty damned well after last year’s All Star Snub. Get Hungry, Green!
At the end of the year, I really hope Canada will have just left Norris off their team.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Dec 30, 2009 12:24 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Bummer for Green, but it will give him time to refresh himself and come back with a vengeance after the Olympic Break.
The artist formerly known as thehoagster07
by what Juneau about that? on Dec 30, 2009 12:25 PM EST reply actions
Yep
Watching the intro thing and no Greenie or Jay Bo from Calgary and Dion P.
by washfan29 on Dec 30, 2009 12:25 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Green should’ve made it no matter what – he has the stats and play to have deserved it, and I would have taken JBo over Doughty, no question. Phaneuf…. eh. I don’t like him as much as i once did.
And we see Doughty on Saturday.
by DrinkingPartner on Dec 30, 2009 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
Disagree there. Doughty definitely deserved to make the team, especially the Calgary guys.
A man gotta have a code
by Carl Putnam on Dec 30, 2009 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
Green’s got no experience, but is better than JBo, and JBo’s got experience, but isn’t better than Doughty.
by DrinkingPartner on Dec 30, 2009 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
i’m glad he’ll get to rest and I’m glad we’ll get to boo CAN, but I still think he deserved it over most of that team.
by DrinkingPartner on Dec 30, 2009 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
Green will probly be in the stands in a Team Russia jersey rooting on OV.
by bigeugene on Dec 30, 2009 12:37 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
And Doughty skated for them in the ’08 WJC and ’09 Worlds.
"I didn't mind a diminished role because we were winning so much and we're such a great team and had a chance to do something in the playoffs...I would have taken any role on this team to do that.
by Bald Pollack on Dec 30, 2009 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
Let’s hope our boys make him look like he belongs back in junior, just for spite, as well as to win the game.
"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."
Hey, two Blackhawks in back, here’s hoping they burn out come May/June.
"I didn't mind a diminished role because we were winning so much and we're such a great team and had a chance to do something in the playoffs...I would have taken any role on this team to do that.
That was huge – their chemistry gave them an edge…shocked no Calgary players made it.
by S h a g g y on Dec 30, 2009 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
You and about one-sixth of Canada.
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by Whiter Mage on Dec 30, 2009 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
I think there’s a whole bunch of Caps fans breathing a collective sigh of relief but being disappointed for Green at the same time. So conflicted… glad we don’t have to root for Canada for any reason at all, though. :-)
by IRockTheRed on Dec 30, 2009 12:27 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
Miss, you even have USA in your username. Where’s your patriotism!
"My face is my mask."
by Jake Shapiro on Dec 30, 2009 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
I laugh reading this from “shayeshayeusa”
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by Whiter Mage on Dec 30, 2009 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
whoops! forgot about that…of course I am rooting for Team USA! :)
by shayeshayeusa on Dec 30, 2009 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
I think we all expected it, and I think I speak for the majority when I say that we’re disappointed for Green but are glad we don’t have to be conflicted about booing Team Canada and glad he gets the break.
Unleash the Alex!
TSN is flipping out that “NO CALGARY FLAMES MADE IT!!!!! IT’S THE END OF THE WORLD!!!!!!!!!!”
Fun fact: A popular opinion can still be stupid.
Wait, Iginla didn’t make it?
"My face is my mask."
by Jake Shapiro on Dec 30, 2009 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
so’s Heatley
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Dec 30, 2009 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
interesting, from the Puck Daddy live chat:
Steve McAllister:
Worth noting that Hockey Canada has an affinity for players who have been part of their Program of Excellence, i.e. Doughty, Toews, Fleury, Crosby, Bergeron.
Fun fact: A popular opinion can still be stupid.
What the hell is that?
"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."
sounds like their development program for junior players. Hockey Canada’s website isn’t exactly user friendly, so I don’t have much more info than that. Since McAllister posted that during the discussion about Green’s snub, I assume Green wasn’t part of that and it may have something to do with him not making it.
Fun fact: A popular opinion can still be stupid.
Ah, sort of like Carlson getting snubbed by Team USA for WJC last year.
"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."
I know the USA has a comparable, but the name escapes me. It’s supposed to be some kinda national team prep program isn’t it?
US National Development Team Program.
In an ideal world all ten fingers would be on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching.
… For Excellent Superiority In The Field Of Excellence
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Dec 30, 2009 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
I miss the Dilbert Mission Statement Generator
Let's go Caps!
by MikeL-Pivonka on Dec 30, 2009 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
Certainly helped Bergeron.
Now drink with me deeply of the bourbon, scotch, and rye until such time as we are fighting drunk.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Dec 30, 2009 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
Hope gangsta doesnt eat his frustration , literally.
by S h a g g y on Dec 30, 2009 12:30 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Or drink them :(
Despite being a pro athlete and everything, I still feel kinda bad for him. Here’s hoping he can get some form of validation in June ;)
I am easily satisfied with the very best
MacKenzie says Green wasn’t really even in the mix.
In an ideal world all ten fingers would be on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching.
I wouldn’t have taken Green either.
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by Whiter Mage on Dec 30, 2009 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
which is odd, because I thought Babcock was very high on him. Wonder if Babcock had less pull than I thought.
Fun fact: A popular opinion can still be stupid.
Everyone made it seem like Stevie Y was the guy to pick.
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by Whiter Mage on Dec 30, 2009 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
This makes sense. Yzerman might look at Green and see a defenseman version of himself at about that age. Lots of points, some question marks regarding his playing all 200 feet of ice, but with the potential to be that player. Perhaps Yzerman didn’t think Green ripe enough in his total game, despite his obvious offiensive accomplishments. It wouldn’t be as if Yzerman doesn’t recognize the specie. It was him at that age.
If you've read this far...seek help.
by ThePeerless on Dec 30, 2009 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
This is entirely possible. Give Green motivation to work on defense a bit more (not that he’d bad), let him rest for those two weeks, and let us pray for Canada to be humiliated.
Unleash the Alex!
Sigh.
My mother’s Canadian, I’ve always had a little spot in my heart for Canada. I can’t wish for humiliation for Canada. :(
In instances like this, I just pray everyone gets a medal (CAN, USA, RUS) and whatever order they come in, I’ll still be happy.
the highest PT producing Dman since Paul Coffey, Wasn’t even in the Mix?
by CAPFan4Life on Dec 30, 2009 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
That’s the only thing I find really surprising and ridiculous. I’m not going to argue with their picks, all of them are certainly worthy. But to not even have Green in the mix is an oversight.
Now drink with me deeply of the bourbon, scotch, and rye until such time as we are fighting drunk.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Dec 30, 2009 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
Meh. Definitely an oversight, but honestly? I want to see them lose on home ice. Like, really badly.
Unleash the Alex!
by gotsparkly on Dec 30, 2009 12:33 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Definitely want to see them lose on home ice.
In the preliminaries.
To an angry Team Latvia…
by IRockTheRed on Dec 30, 2009 12:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Sad, but then again, who needs the top scoring defenseman in the NHL for the past two seasons on their power play?
Their loss. It does mean that we don’t have to worry about Ovie lining up Green in a Russia/Canada game.
Let's go Caps!
by MikeL-Pivonka on Dec 30, 2009 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
Sad, but then again, who needs the top scoring defenseman in the NHL for the past two seasons on their power play?
When you have the options they have, it’s less of a priority.
True, but would you rather have Mike Green or Dan Boyle running the PP?
Of course, if they had both of them on the roster, they could have them both out there launching missles at Kipprusof, Vokoun, Miller, etc.
Let's go Caps!
by MikeL-Pivonka on Dec 30, 2009 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
I think Boyle is a better PP QB. Green is a bigger scoring threat, but he’s not the classic control the PP from the point and bomb away PP QB.
Of all our iniquities ignorance may be the worst
by Killer_Carlson on Dec 30, 2009 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
But neither is Boyle
In an ideal world all ten fingers would be on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching.
yeah I can really see the conundrum between Boyle and Green. The only reason I could see them taking Boyle over Green is because he plays with Thornton, Marleau, and Heatley. But I do think Green is a better version of Boyle.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Dec 30, 2009 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
It’s ridiculous the amount of criticism the guy catches about his defense. While his defense is still not among the elite, he IS the future QB of the Canadian PP. Guys like Boyle and Niedermayer may be in their last Olympics, so it would have made sense to put the guy on to give him some exposure to what the Olympics are like.
Regardless, and as said before, I’m glad I can put 100% of my focus on rooting AGAINST Canada, and that Green can get some much needed rest going into the postseason.
by JimCareyFanClub on Dec 30, 2009 12:32 PM EST reply actions
Forwards
Patrice Bergeron
Sidney Crosby (A)
Ryan Getzlaf
Because now I can justify browsing and commenting during the work day with the argument that I am promoting my business.
There’s a big surprise. :-p
At least Green doesn’t have to wear the same uniform as His Majesty Crosby I…
by IRockTheRed on Dec 30, 2009 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
Iginla makes it 3 A (Pronger, Crosby, Iggy Pop).
Now drink with me deeply of the bourbon, scotch, and rye until such time as we are fighting drunk.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Dec 30, 2009 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
More Forwards
Dany Heatley
Jarome Iginla (A)
Patrick Marleau
Because now I can justify browsing and commenting during the work day with the argument that I am promoting my business.
by Sombrero Guy on Dec 30, 2009 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
ok.
ok.
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by Whiter Mage on Dec 30, 2009 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
Jarome, my man-crush, finally! Glad to hear it.
"My face is my mask."
by Jake Shapiro on Dec 30, 2009 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
Any team with Heatley on it makes it easy to pull against.
A man gotta have a code
by Carl Putnam on Dec 30, 2009 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
Any team with Crosby on it makes it easy to pull against.
by IRockTheRed on Dec 30, 2009 12:35 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Without diving off the board, I wouldn’t stop being a Caps fan if they acquired Crosby.
Familiar Rapports: Bald Pollack, F&B, Gould Old Days.
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by Whiter Mage on Dec 30, 2009 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed—but it sure as hell wouldn’t make me a Crosby fan either.
by redlineblue on Dec 30, 2009 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
Not like he was born outside of Canada or anything.
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by Whiter Mage on Dec 30, 2009 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
Iggy's an Alternate?
Who is the captain then? I would pick Iginla over anyone else for Canada.
Let's go Caps!
by MikeL-Pivonka on Dec 30, 2009 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
Niedermayer.
In an ideal world all ten fingers would be on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching.
Ah...
Well, ok, he’s one player I could see ahead of Iggy… but just barely. My choice would still be Iggy.
Let's go Caps!
by MikeL-Pivonka on Dec 30, 2009 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
even more forwards
Brenden Morrow
Rick Nash
Corey Perry
Because now I can justify browsing and commenting during the work day with the argument that I am promoting my business.
by Sombrero Guy on Dec 30, 2009 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
Morrow?
"I didn't mind a diminished role because we were winning so much and we're such a great team and had a chance to do something in the playoffs...I would have taken any role on this team to do that.
by Bald Pollack on Dec 30, 2009 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
You don’t like him? Great leadership, grit, skill.
In an ideal world all ten fingers would be on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching.
No I do, just seemed a little curious.
"I didn't mind a diminished role because we were winning so much and we're such a great team and had a chance to do something in the playoffs...I would have taken any role on this team to do that.
by Bald Pollack on Dec 30, 2009 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
I had a feeling he might get on. Bergeron and Staal are the shocks to me. If Lecavalier and St. Louis played their way off this year then I don’t see how Staal is on.
In an ideal world all ten fingers would be on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching.
Seriously. I can at least accept Bergeron because he’s actually having a good year.
Now drink with me deeply of the bourbon, scotch, and rye until such time as we are fighting drunk.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Dec 30, 2009 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
Well yeah, Bergeron is the shock, Staal’s more of the facepalm variety.
"I didn't mind a diminished role because we were winning so much and we're such a great team and had a chance to do something in the playoffs...I would have taken any role on this team to do that.
by Bald Pollack on Dec 30, 2009 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
Staal has been dreadful this year. Would he be on if his name was Eric Bourque?
by Sct112 on Dec 30, 2009 12:48 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Yes.
"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."
Then Canada will suffer for its short-sightedness.
by DrinkingPartner on Dec 30, 2009 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
He ain’t playing against Theo in the Olympics.
"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."
by gfcaps fan on Dec 30, 2009 12:55 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That would be the thing that pisses me off the most about that dreadful performance. I can live with dropping 2 points, but if we are the reason that ass hat is on Team Canada…
In an ideal world all ten fingers would be on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching.
by Rob Parker on Dec 30, 2009 12:58 PM EST up reply actions 7 recs
And if he is the reason Team Canada loses after that, I will forever toast Theo and our boys.
Unleash the Alex!
by gotsparkly on Dec 30, 2009 1:04 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
And I have no idea how Brad Richards didn’t play himself onto the team. He’s had a much better year than Bergeron and Staal. He also has a better career to fall back on than Bergeron, and arguably Staal as well.
Of all our iniquities ignorance may be the worst
by Killer_Carlson on Dec 30, 2009 1:44 PM EST up reply actions
but is Staal a better player this season? Because that’s not my impression so far, Monday night’s output be damned.
Fun fact: A popular opinion can still be stupid.
Hate to say this, but they’ve got to put at least on Francophone non-goalie on the roster. Still, Lecavalier would probably be the better choice.
Grand Rapids A-Go-Go
Morrow is a stud.
Grand Rapids A-Go-Go
by D'ohboy on Dec 30, 2009 1:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Isn’t he superfluous with Mike Richards on the team? Aren’t they basically the same guy?
Ron and Fez 11 to 3
by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 30, 2009 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
Also, Morrow’s much bigger than Richards and goes to the net better. I know we don’t see much of him out here, but the guy is really, really good.
Grand Rapids A-Go-Go
And he’s a better leader and brings more grit that doesn’t involve blindside cheapshots.
Of all our iniquities ignorance may be the worst
by Killer_Carlson on Dec 30, 2009 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
So if you need Morrow and Richards, lets talk about Toews. Should he really be on the team?
Ron and Fez 11 to 3
by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 30, 2009 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
There was no discussion about him, he was preprinted on the roster along with Crosby, Iginla, Brodeur…
Let's go Caps!
by MikeL-Pivonka on Dec 30, 2009 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
Last I checked, this guy played for team USA….
Let's go Caps!
by MikeL-Pivonka on Dec 30, 2009 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
last bit of forwards
Mike Richards
Eric Staal
Joe Thornton
Jonathan Towes
Because now I can justify browsing and commenting during the work day with the argument that I am promoting my business.
by Sombrero Guy on Dec 30, 2009 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
It was very expected.
Familiar Rapports: Bald Pollack, F&B, Gould Old Days.
Lobbies: Osala, Perreault, Erskine, Pothier, Neuvirth, Flash.
Fan of: Mean Lars Backstrom, Line Mashing, Cake.
by Whiter Mage on Dec 30, 2009 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
but still. If Russia did this, the place would have gone wild for Ovie.
Fun fact: A popular opinion can still be stupid.
Ovie also has a shred of personality.
Familiar Rapports: Bald Pollack, F&B, Gould Old Days.
Lobbies: Osala, Perreault, Erskine, Pothier, Neuvirth, Flash.
Fan of: Mean Lars Backstrom, Line Mashing, Cake.
by Whiter Mage on Dec 30, 2009 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
crosby has personality, but luckily for us, his handlers have done their best to hide the whinny little entitled brat under that utterly boring robot facade.
Fun fact: A popular opinion can still be stupid.
Crosby has personality...
And a block of tofu has flavor…
by IRockTheRed on Dec 30, 2009 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
Really? Eric Staal? Seriously? Woooow.
Now drink with me deeply of the bourbon, scotch, and rye until such time as we are fighting drunk.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Dec 30, 2009 12:36 PM EST reply actions
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
In an ideal world all ten fingers would be on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching.
by Rob Parker on Dec 30, 2009 12:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
now I really hope they all come down with food poisoning or something.
Fun fact: A popular opinion can still be stupid.
Or have their equipment loaded in Ottawa…
Let's go Caps!
by MikeL-Pivonka on Dec 30, 2009 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
Heatley & Staal. Man its going to be so easy to dislike this team.
A man gotta have a code
by Carl Putnam on Dec 30, 2009 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t understand Staal – there’s got to be someone better.
OH WAIT. There is.
by DrinkingPartner on Dec 30, 2009 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
They shoulda taken Green for WINGAHHHHH!!!
Grand Rapids A-Go-Go
by D'ohboy on Dec 30, 2009 1:27 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Rec-Tac-Toe
"Let the rest be scared of us." - Emo Bunny Sasha Semin
by Scott in Shaw on Dec 30, 2009 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
Actually, I’m stoked they took Staal. It’ll make beating them that much easier.
Grand Rapids A-Go-Go
As I said – if that 5-point night against us made them take Staal and they then go down in flames, I will forever toast Theo and the boys.
Unleash the Alex!
Seriously? This team keeps getting better and better, LMAO.
Lobbies: Green, Carlson
by CapsFan2020 on Dec 30, 2009 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
This.
Oh, this team is going to be so easy to despise and root against. Arrogant fans, arrogant media, obnoxious players. The whole package.
Unleash the Alex!
Eric Staal reacts to being named to Team Canada:
"Oh, the usual. I bowl. Drive around. The occasional acid flashback."
by The Ghost of Bebop on Dec 30, 2009 3:53 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
So all three of the Sharks make it. Thats interesting, probably gona be a pretty productive line
Fehr is fair, but I like Laich
That’s certainly by design. I do think Green would’ve made it if we had one of Nieds, Pronger, JBo or Seabrook on our team, too. The chemistry and familiarity seems to have gone into the decision-making.
by DrinkingPartner on Dec 30, 2009 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
Stevie Y said it’s something he looked for in his selections. Pretty sure it helped seabrook and maybe even perry. I recall that lack of chemistry was a huge deal at torino.
by Vinn on Dec 30, 2009 2:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
that Torino team was such a fucking disaster. Team Chemistry was the least of their problems.
Fun fact: A popular opinion can still be stupid.
You think that team was a fucking disaster? How’d their hotel rooms look when they left?
Signed,
K. Tkachuk
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by J.P. on Dec 30, 2009 2:49 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Keith,
No worries, I consider the 1998 US team a fucking disaster. See the difference?
Signed,
How are those pick up games going?
Fun fact: A popular opinion can still be stupid.
Gotcha. Italics make all the difference.
Oh, and those pick up games are sweet. I pick up a rack of ribs, I pick up a burger and fries, I pick up a chocolate shake…
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be sure to tell Marty hello has you pass him in the buffet line! but make sure you get there before him, otherwise, the bastard takes all the bacon.
Fun fact: A popular opinion can still be stupid.
Good!
A rested—and perhaps angry—Lambo in March(and april, and…) is worth much more to me than anything about Team Canad-eh.
by redlineblue on Dec 30, 2009 12:38 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
my mother in law is not going to be happy if I smash her TV. GET OFF MY TV, SID!!!!!!!!
Fun fact: A popular opinion can still be stupid.
there’s no alcohol in the house. add it to my list of things to be bitter about.
Fun fact: A popular opinion can still be stupid.
Hopefully it will explode…
Let's go Caps!
by MikeL-Pivonka on Dec 30, 2009 1:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I like Brad because of his ability to distribute. That team has plenty of scorers. Plus, I like his all around game. I realize you could make just as many arguments for Mike. Stud scorer, captain. etc. I just prefer Brad’s game on a team of all-stars.
A man gotta have a code
by Carl Putnam on Dec 30, 2009 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
Hell no! He’s is too cool for that team.
Lobbies: Green, Carlson
by CapsFan2020 on Dec 30, 2009 12:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Only if the residents of Wawota were the arbiters
"My face is my mask."
by Jake Shapiro on Dec 30, 2009 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
Brooks Laich could win the Olympic gold all by himself.
by snakegriffin on Dec 30, 2009 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
please, Brooks Laich is so awesome, he’s win all three medals.
Fun fact: A popular opinion can still be stupid.
by RedBirdie on Dec 30, 2009 12:47 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Brooks Laich would show up early to help build the podium.
by redlineblue on Dec 30, 2009 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
Brooks Laich organized the Olympics.
by DrinkingPartner on Dec 30, 2009 12:55 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Tommie Smith and John Carlos gave a black power salute on the podium in ‘68 on Brooks Laich’s suggestion.
by sixsevenfiftysix on Dec 30, 2009 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
Zola Budd tripped Mary Decker Slaney at Brooks’ insistence so it couldn’t be determined that Decker’s baby was his.
"I didn't mind a diminished role because we were winning so much and we're such a great team and had a chance to do something in the playoffs...I would have taken any role on this team to do that.
by Bald Pollack on Dec 30, 2009 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
Greg Lougainis didn’t hit his head on the diving board. He hit it on Brooks Laich.
Ron and Fez 11 to 3
by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 30, 2009 1:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Of course, that’s not true. If he’d have done that, he’d have been killed instantly.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Dec 30, 2009 1:28 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
He wouldn’t have needed to hit his head to be killed by Brooks Laich. Brooks Laich can kill with a stare…
Let's go Caps!
by MikeL-Pivonka on Dec 30, 2009 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
Or...
with a dare
Ron and Fez 11 to 3
by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 30, 2009 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
I liked Mythbusters version of this better….
Let's go Caps!
by MikeL-Pivonka on Dec 30, 2009 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
Brooks Laich can kill with a stare
or with Ginger Rogers—Brooks Laich is a chivalrous killer!
by redlineblue on Dec 30, 2009 1:56 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Brooks Laich could have done everything Fred Astaire did — backwards and in heels!
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Dec 30, 2009 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
That’d be Ginger Rogers, then?
Let's go Caps!
by MikeL-Pivonka on Dec 30, 2009 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
Pretty surprised that Bergeron, Morrow and Staal made it. Morrow I can see but the other two, especially with the season Staal is having…
Because now I can justify browsing and commenting during the work day with the argument that I am promoting my business.
It made him a lock!
But still didn’t get him to a point per game on the season.
In an ideal world all ten fingers would be on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching.
He doesn’t settle for secondary assists. He’s a man.
"I didn't mind a diminished role because we were winning so much and we're such a great team and had a chance to do something in the playoffs...I would have taken any role on this team to do that.
by Bald Pollack on Dec 30, 2009 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
Now your a man, a man oh man.
In an ideal world all ten fingers would be on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching.
He does have a Cup.
{ducks}
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Dec 30, 2009 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
Is it because his girlfriend has big titties?
by DrinkingPartner on Dec 30, 2009 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
I love that movie, Ron Jeremy in non porn is always funny as hell
by Doncosmic on Dec 30, 2009 1:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
It’ll be interesting to watch how these Games are refereed.
Of the referees from the NHL (roughly 50/50 with IIHF), quite a few are Canadian… Not saying they’re gonna be homers, but……..
Bulanov, Vyacheslav (RUS / IIHF)
Devorski, Paul (CAN / NHL)
Joanette, Marc (CAN / NHL)
Kurmann, Danny (SUI / IIHF)
LaRue, Dennis (USA / NHL)
McCreary, Bill (CAN / NHL)
O’Halloran, Dan (CAN / NHL)
Orszag, Peter (SVK / IIHF)
Pellerin, Guy (CAN / IIHF)
Reiber, Brent (SUI / IIHF)
Ronn, Jyri (FIN / IIHF)
Rooney, Chris (USA / NHL)
Vinnerborg, Marcus (SWE / IIHF)
Watson, Brad (CAN / NHL)
Give me about 20 minutes, and I’ll let you know.
by IRockTheRed on Dec 30, 2009 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
All but 6 NHL referees are Canadian.
The breakdown is:
Ontario – 12
USA – 6
Quebec – 5
Alberta – 3
Birthplace not stated – 3
Saskatchewan – 2
British Columbia – 2
Nova Scotia – 2
New Brunswick – 1
Presuming they’re playing IIHF rules, it doesn’t matter “how these Games are refereed.”
"I didn't mind a diminished role because we were winning so much and we're such a great team and had a chance to do something in the playoffs...I would have taken any role on this team to do that.
by Bald Pollack on Dec 30, 2009 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
They do in the IIHF.
"I didn't mind a diminished role because we were winning so much and we're such a great team and had a chance to do something in the playoffs...I would have taken any role on this team to do that.
by Bald Pollack on Dec 30, 2009 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
Nate with the line of the day:
Matt Bradley took all those Olympic drug tests for nothing.
"I didn't mind a diminished role because we were winning so much and we're such a great team and had a chance to do something in the playoffs...I would have taken any role on this team to do that.
by Bald Pollack on Dec 30, 2009 12:45 PM EST reply actions 8 recs
Hmmm… do you think there is any way we can sneak a “Mikhal Greenskii” on to team Russia? :)
by Mill Burray on Dec 30, 2009 12:46 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Or a ‘Mike Green’ on to team USA?
by David Getz on Dec 30, 2009 12:47 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
USA coulod sure use his scoring. Hell you could put him at wingah.
A man gotta have a code
by Carl Putnam on Dec 30, 2009 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
Time for a new hashtag: #AnyoneButCanada
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by J.P. on Dec 30, 2009 12:53 PM EST reply actions 8 recs
Can’t recommend that highly enough.
A man gotta have a code
by Carl Putnam on Dec 30, 2009 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
I had that one up since… 1992ish.
In an ideal world all ten fingers would be on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching.
by Rob Parker on Dec 30, 2009 12:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I had it up since 1812ish.
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by J.P. on Dec 30, 2009 1:01 PM EST up reply actions 8 recs
We should burn Toronto again
Ron and Fez 11 to 3
by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 30, 2009 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
Well not at Bladensburg, but I think things ended up okay at this little place called New Orleans.
Ron and Fez 11 to 3
by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 30, 2009 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
Glad I’m in Phoenix since I assume they’ll be aiming for DC & B-more like they did the last time.
A man gotta have a code
It would have been more interesting if we had gone to war for western Canada in the ol’ 54-40 Or Fight issue instead of picking a fight with Mexico.
Ron and Fez 11 to 3
by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 30, 2009 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
That certainly would have made for an interesting time. Given the territory and terrain our Northern neighbors would have had a nice home field advantage.
A man gotta have a code
Yeah, but the British would have had a hell of a time getting reinforcements all the way to the west coast. Not that it would have been any easier here, but for them it would have been nearly impossible.
Ron and Fez 11 to 3
by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 30, 2009 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
Riiiiight. Because the nation with a massive pan-oceanic navy (not to mention their professional military), with bases around the globe would have lost the logistics battle to a country whose navy consisted of a handful of frigates (awesome, though they were), some brigs and some sloops.
Grand Rapids A-Go-Go
Our Navy kicked ASS in 1812. Secondly, there would have been shipping available, but how would they have gotten soldiers here? There’s no Panama Canal, so they would have had to pretty much sail around the entire globe to get there. Or go around South America, which is/was an extremely dangerous trip to make.
Not only that, but how would they have supplied said soldiers? Its not like that area was the land of milk and honey and the troops could live off it.
Ron and Fez 11 to 3
by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 30, 2009 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
Right. And who controlled the horn? (Or are you forgetting all the British Navy bases at every single major naval chokepoint throughout the globe?) The Brits had bases in Valparaiso, and further afield in the Pacific. The passage might have been long, but it would have been largely unopposed. We would have faced both a long passage around the horn, and constant harassment. That’s if the ships could have even left the Chesapeake safely.
Yes, our frigates were phenomenal during the war of 1812 (if you haven’t, read “Six Frigates”). But, when faced with ships-of-the line, they either made sheets and ran, or they stayed bottled up in port. You can’t do that when you need to sail from the East Coast all the way around the horn through British-controlled waters, then up the coast of S. and N. America.
Sea control is vital to that sort of maneuver. There’s no way any sensible commander would put a sizeable enough force to capture territory on a handful of frigates then send them down the Chesapeake to be slaughtered by the first British task force to find them.
Grand Rapids A-Go-Go
Gary Green — Mr. Yzerman, thanks for speaking with us. Some were surprised by your decision not to pick Mike Green, and especially by your choice of Eric Staal. What was your philosophy in building this team?
Stevie Y — Actually, we were just trying to bait Japers’ Rink commenter Fehr and Balanced. Go Flyers!
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Dec 30, 2009 12:56 PM EST reply actions 10 recs
Nice.
"I didn't mind a diminished role because we were winning so much and we're such a great team and had a chance to do something in the playoffs...I would have taken any role on this team to do that.
by Bald Pollack on Dec 30, 2009 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
I'm Japers' Rink commenter Fehr and Balanced
and I approve this message.
In an ideal world all ten fingers would be on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching.
by Rob Parker on Dec 30, 2009 1:00 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
commentour
"Let the rest be scared of us." - Emo Bunny Sasha Semin
by Scott in Shaw on Dec 30, 2009 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
Alternate possibilities?
Any chance Green would be named an injury sub?
USA, Russia, and Sweden is where we stand now.
First post here and always impressed by the coverage, fun, and insight.
Analysis elsewhere is that Bouwmeester will get the call first if there’s an injury to the current roster.
ALEX, FЯEE
So what you’re saying is Chimera running Boyle tonight is but Step 1 in a two-step process?
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by J.P. on Dec 30, 2009 1:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Now THAT’S inside information.
"I didn't mind a diminished role because we were winning so much and we're such a great team and had a chance to do something in the playoffs...I would have taken any role on this team to do that.
by Bald Pollack on Dec 30, 2009 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
damn right, Pat Sajak is pissed!
Fun fact: A popular opinion can still be stupid.
by RedBirdie on Dec 30, 2009 1:04 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
You saying this because he’s on NHL Live right now?
/Just ran across it scanning channels.
"I didn't mind a diminished role because we were winning so much and we're such a great team and had a chance to do something in the playoffs...I would have taken any role on this team to do that.
by Bald Pollack on Dec 30, 2009 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
So the Canadian lovefest is over and I can turn the TV back on?
"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."
Ya. FAILbury is doing a phoner with them.
"I didn't mind a diminished role because we were winning so much and we're such a great team and had a chance to do something in the playoffs...I would have taken any role on this team to do that.
by Bald Pollack on Dec 30, 2009 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
no, Milbury is creaming his pants over TeamCanada right now.
Fun fact: A popular opinion can still be stupid.
That was McGuire when he heard Richards was on the team.
Huh….McGuire’s real first name is “Regis”? How about that…
Ron and Fez 11 to 3
by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 30, 2009 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
Does that mean...
Milbury’s first name is Kelly?
Let's go Caps!
by MikeL-Pivonka on Dec 30, 2009 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
Oh Vanna...
T[][]M C[]N[]D[] B[]T[]S
I’d like to buy a vowel…
Let's go Caps!
by MikeL-Pivonka on Dec 30, 2009 1:07 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
I’d like to solve the puzzle, Pat… “Rec’d?”
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Oh dear lord is he terrible. That woman with him is awful as well.
Ron and Fez 11 to 3
by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 30, 2009 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
That’s not a nice thing to say about a lady…
Let's go Caps!
by MikeL-Pivonka on Dec 30, 2009 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
Stan Fischler is the American answer to Don Cherry. Fortunately we here don’t give him nearly as much attention or legitimacy as Grapes gets in Canada.
Of all our iniquities ignorance may be the worst
by Killer_Carlson on Dec 30, 2009 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
Nor does he deserve that much
In an ideal world all ten fingers would be on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching.
As much as I may disdain Cherry at times, the dude frequently knows what he’s talking about. He might be a jingoistic blowhard, but he knows an ass-ton about hockey.
Fischler is just a moron.
Grand Rapids A-Go-Go
Right. This is how I feel. Millbury is probably closer to the American answer to Cherry, but his head is wedged as well.
In an ideal world all ten fingers would be on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching.
Cherry has a track record that is good and he knows quite a bit of what he’s talking about.
Milbury also has a track record, and it’s a bit less successful than Cherry’s. Milbury did for hockey management what the Titanic did for ocean liners…
Let's go Caps!
by MikeL-Pivonka on Dec 30, 2009 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
Milbury is a blow hard asshole, just like Don Cherry. It’s pretty easy to take shots at Milbury’s management career, but you conveniently ignore that Milbury had an actual NHL playing career. I think Cherry is marginally better than Milbury, but it’s not like they aren’t cut from the same cloth.
In an ideal world all ten fingers would be on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching.
Yeah, I’ll agree that Milbury was a decent player, where Cherry wasn’t, but as commentators, they’re not even in the same league.
Take out Cherry’s jingoism and you’re left with someone who actually understands the game of hockey. Milbury is just the idiot who traded Chara and a 1st Round pick for Alexei Yashin then signed him to a 10-year, $90 million contract. I’ve never heard Milbury say one thing I found insightful or intelligent, whereas Cherry actually has interesting points in-between potshots at Europeans and the Quebecois.
Grand Rapids A-Go-Go
Let me just clarify that I wasn’t endorsing Mike Milbury, or trying to say he’s in Cherry’s league on TV. My original point is just that Milbury is a better example of an American answer to Don Cherry than Stan Fischler is.
In an ideal world all ten fingers would be on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching.
I don’t know if I’d say frequently, but he certainly knows what he is talking about more often than Fischler. But like Fischler, Cherry gets attention for his gimmick, not his hockey analysis. His insight on it’s own isn’t that incredible to get him notoriety. It’s the loud suits, then xenophobia, and the defense of cheap shots that gets him so much attention.
Of all our iniquities ignorance may be the worst
by Killer_Carlson on Dec 31, 2009 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
Don Cherry knows (mostly) of what he speaks, and has been a player in the NHL (albeit for one game) and a coach of some very successful teams. His tributes to fallen Canadian soldiers from Afghanistan are very moving too…
Fischler is a wannabe. He is a decent writer when he has really good source material (his co-authoring of Dave Schultz’s biography is a good read). But he thinks he knows more about hockey than folks like Cherry, or Tortorella, or just about every coach/GM in the NHL, and unfortunately, when he is called on it, he just smiles and starts in on a story about the Rangers in the 1970s….
I won’t go into how many bottles of Scotch he’s pounded down in the press box, that’s another tale for another time…
Let's go Caps!
by MikeL-Pivonka on Dec 30, 2009 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
I’ll give Cherry credit for the tributes. But they all pale in light of his taste in clothing.
I’m sorry, but I can’t take anyone seriously who wears this:
fantastic, in a triple occupancy Circus Circus bathroom shower curtain kind of a way.
Support your local bakery!
Aren’t we both talking about Coaches Corner?
by DrinkingPartner on Dec 30, 2009 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
Paging Tim Gunn. Paging Tim Gunn!
Fun fact: A popular opinion can still be stupid.
by RedBirdie on Dec 30, 2009 2:26 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Ugh… Fischler. My blood pressure skyrockets at the mere mention of that name.
"If you want money go to the bank, if you want bread go to the bakery if you want goals go to the net." - #21
by snakegriffin on Dec 30, 2009 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
My blood pressure skyrockets
Marisa Tomei and MaryLouise Parker are in this thread, if you’re lookin for a better reason…
They don’t make my blood pressure skyrocket…
"If you want money go to the bank, if you want bread go to the bakery if you want goals go to the net." - #21
by snakegriffin on Dec 30, 2009 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
Now I’m getting excited for Canada vs US Women’s team on NHL Network tonight. I think this is the year US Women take gold. That its on Canadian soil would make it all the better.
A man gotta have a code
by Carl Putnam on Dec 30, 2009 1:04 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Here’s hoping. Alas Tara Mounsey is no longer playing… she was rugged defenseman, and pretty damn good looking too…
Let's go Caps!
by MikeL-Pivonka on Dec 30, 2009 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe they should get Tara Wheeler to play goal for them?
/OFB’d
Ron and Fez 11 to 3
by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 30, 2009 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
Doubt she’s good enough, but she is also very easy on the eyes…
Let's go Caps!
by MikeL-Pivonka on Dec 30, 2009 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
Eh, not really.
"Let the rest be scared of us." - Emo Bunny Sasha Semin
by Scott in Shaw on Dec 30, 2009 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
I’m hoping. I think I might love this year’s US women’s team almost as much as I love the 1998 team.
"Camaraderie, that's what the Washington Capitals are all about."
by CapitalCentre on Dec 30, 2009 5:49 PM EST up reply actions
Dear Stevie Y
Thanks for pissing off Mike Green. He plays better when he’s pissed.
Signed,
The Washington Capitals and All Their Fans
Grand Rapids A-Go-Go
by D'ohboy on Dec 30, 2009 1:07 PM EST reply actions 8 recs
ha ha ha, some Canadian just posted this to me at another board (you can guess what I was ranting about):
Canadians act about hockey like Americans act about every other thing on the face of the planet practically (sports, entertainment, etc), and all of the sudden, we are being condemned for being arrogant? Face it, Canada is the overall best nation in the world at hockey. Period. Let us fucking enjoy being the best at something for once.
bawhahahahaha, how are those consecutive world silver medals working out for you?
Fun fact: A popular opinion can still be stupid.
by RedBirdie on Dec 30, 2009 1:09 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Ah Canada...
…I wonder what they’re going to do in the Bronze medal game, trailing the Czech Republic 3-2 with a late power play? They can have Mike Green quaterback the…whoops, no they can’t.
Ut oh… and as Flash sends the puck into the empty net to secure the Bronze for the Czechs, the Canadians can look at the podium whistfully as Ovie and co. get their gold medals and Nick and his buds take the Silver for Sweden.
Let's go Caps!
by MikeL-Pivonka on Dec 30, 2009 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
Nice dream
Unlikely. And really, if Green was fighting for the 7th spot the “late deficit on the PP” hypothetical (the ticking time bomb hypo for a Caps fan?) isn’t relevant. He would be in the press box at that point. If he isn’t top 6, and he isn’t, then it doesn’t really matter whether he’s on or not.
In an ideal world all ten fingers would be on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching.
For an olympic medal game, I’d seriously think about dressing 7 defensemen….
Let's go Caps!
by MikeL-Pivonka on Dec 30, 2009 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
Why?
In an ideal world all ten fingers would be on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching.
Because it’s a one-shot game. Win or you’re out. If I lose a defensman in a pool game, then I can go with 5 for that, because it’s not typically an elimination. In the medal game, I want to make sure I can have 6 on defense if need be. Plus, there’s something to be said for a defensman who is a Power Play specialist, so that he can play a long shift (90 seconds) during the power play.
If I have a forward who can also play the back line (like Sergei Fedorov) then I don’t need to do this.
Let's go Caps!
by MikeL-Pivonka on Dec 30, 2009 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
Basically all the D on Team Canada are PP mainstays for their team. And they have more than a small handful of Fs that can play the point and are defensively sound. I just don’t think it’s a big worry.
In an ideal world all ten fingers would be on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching.
Consecutive? Are you assuming they go silver this year? Or am I missing something. They (painfully) won gold in 2002.
In an ideal world all ten fingers would be on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching.
no, they won silver (or lost gold) at 2008 and 2009 worlds.
I didn’t even bring up their epic implosion in Turin.
Fun fact: A popular opinion can still be stupid.
Oh ok, I was thinking Olympics. You know I’m with you on the whole arrogance thing.
In an ideal world all ten fingers would be on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching.
Isn’t everyone?
"In the depths of winter, I learned there was in me an invincible summer" ~Albert Camus
I thought so, but we’ve had to explain to people why we are rooting against Canada recently, and it appears as though if Green had made the team some folks around here wouldn’t be rooting against CAN.
In an ideal world all ten fingers would be on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching.
I’d still mostly be, but I’d hope Green lead all D in scoring.
You know, again.
by DrinkingPartner on Dec 30, 2009 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
He was referring to the Worlds in 2008 and 2009.
Let's go Caps!
by MikeL-Pivonka on Dec 30, 2009 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
A thousand apologies, M’lady.
Let's go Caps!
by MikeL-Pivonka on Dec 30, 2009 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
He?!?!?
C’mon MikeL, you’re a regular. That’s a she.
In an ideal world all ten fingers would be on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching.
There are no girls on the internet. Rule 16.
Now drink with me deeply of the bourbon, scotch, and rye until such time as we are fighting drunk.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Dec 30, 2009 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
Signed,
The Boys on the Internet Who Wouldn’t Know What a Girl Was If One Smashed Their Computer
Unleash the Alex!
Hey now
I gotta say that of the Balanced Clan SME is definitely the lady’s man.
In an ideal world all ten fingers would be on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching.
We’re the Balanced Clan now? Did I miss the meeting?
Why didn’t anyone send me the memo?
Now drink with me deeply of the bourbon, scotch, and rye until such time as we are fighting drunk.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Dec 30, 2009 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
Uh oh… then what have I been… oh lord…
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by J.P. on Dec 30, 2009 2:52 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Rule 30, actually. According to ED, anyway.
Only YOU can prevent idiots from commenting!
by Knee high to a duck on Dec 30, 2009 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
Erectile Dysfuntion has rules?
by DrinkingPartner on Dec 30, 2009 3:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I bet they’re not hard rules
Ron and Fez 11 to 3
by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 30, 2009 3:16 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
- Don’t talk about ED.
Only YOU can prevent idiots from commenting!
by Knee high to a duck on Dec 30, 2009 3:26 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
16 by UD. The rules remain the same, even if the numbering is different.
Now drink with me deeply of the bourbon, scotch, and rye until such time as we are fighting drunk.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Dec 30, 2009 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
The ED rule 16 applies too. If you fail in epic proportions, it may just become a winning fail.
Canada losing to Sweden or Russia would be epic win through epic fail.
Only YOU can prevent idiots from commenting!
by Knee high to a duck on Dec 30, 2009 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
The more you hate it, the stronger it gets.
Someone should have told me that before I found Canes Country.
In an ideal world all ten fingers would be on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching.
Somewhat related: All your carefully picked arguments will be ignored.
Only YOU can prevent idiots from commenting!
by Knee high to a duck on Dec 30, 2009 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
my little Canadian “friend” is very angry at me. “Go fuck yourself and your fucking Russians.” well, well, well……
Fun fact: A popular opinion can still be stupid.
Did she just tell you to fuck Ovechkin? Is that supposed to be a bad thing?
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Dec 30, 2009 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
I know, really………
she’s one of those hard core jingoistic Canadians, if you can’t tell. She makes no bones about how much she hates all things American, and a Russian superstar playing for an American team…………….boy, she hates Ovechkin.
Fun fact: A popular opinion can still be stupid.
you’d better believe she was on that “Ovechkin is dirty! WAH WAH WAH!” bandwagon. Yet she roots for a team with Pronger…….
Fun fact: A popular opinion can still be stupid.
Pronger is overrated at this point. He’s on the team over J-Bo and Dion Phaneuf because of the hangover from his years in St. Louis, still, Anaheim notwithstanding. I wouldn’t take Green over Pronger in 1999, but in 2009? Hell yes.
In 1999, Green was only 14 years old. So, of course, he wouldn’t have been picked over Pronger who was pro then.
14 year old boys can’t compete with men.
Rocking the Red since 1975
Phaneuf is terrible. If Mike Green played in Canada and Phaneuf played in the Southeast you’d hear a whole lot more about how much Phaneuf sucks in his own end, and a lot less about Green’s woes.
In an ideal world all ten fingers would be on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching.
I agree with him. Americans are arrogant in general (deservedly so) and Canadians are arrogant about hockey (deservedly so). And they are the best overall hockey nation, in my book.
Obviously. And the backbone of the NHL and hockey in general. But everyone here knows how I respond to dismissive attitudes and I feel like Canadians bring that attitude far too much simply because I’m American. A guy that played on the club team with me at college was from Toronto and he acted like he was so special because he was Canadian, but the guy was easily the worst player on the team.
In an ideal world all ten fingers would be on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching.
No argument here. That kind of thing happens way too often in casual hockey. Everyone’s played on (or against) a team with a mediocre player who thought he knew everything about the game because he was Canadian. If you’re falling back on “I’m Canadian, I know” (explicitly or implicitly) you’re basically saying “I don’t know how to make a goddamn point, so I’ll make an excuse for why I don’t have to”.
Hahah he’s right. Well, not everything, since a lot of it’s gone to crap for us Americans, but that’s pretty funny. I’m looking forward to rooting for Team USA, given how much I like Kane, Okposo, and Kessel, among others. If I can convince myself to forget that Ryan Miller is on the sabres, then maybe him, too.
This shouldn’t be about bashing our neighbors to the north…even if most of do feel Mike Green was (once again) slighted. Hey, at least he’ll be well rested come April…
"I am ready for his provocations"
by PaintDrinkingPete on Dec 30, 2009 1:11 PM EST reply actions
Honestly? I want to see them lose because they’re so damn arrogant about the whole thing.
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If you were parked in the Red Danger zone, please answer the White Courtesy phone.
by DrinkingPartner on Dec 30, 2009 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
No, the White Phone
Let's go Caps!
by MikeL-Pivonka on Dec 30, 2009 2:21 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Damn. Beat me to it. Nicely done.
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I didn’t think Green would make it. My issue is the idiocy that comes from their fanbase and media. Hell even the US media objectively cover international baseball and basketball (columnists excluded). For a country that lost the last 2 worlds and the last Olympics a little more humble would be nice. They own hockey like the US owns baseball.
A man gotta have a code
by Carl Putnam on Dec 30, 2009 1:16 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
As if I needed another reason to dislike the Canadian team.
Greenlife is number one in our eyes. I hope they lose in epic proportions.
I am easily satisfied with the very best
Objectively speaking
I can’t say I’m shocked, nor disagree too much. Mike Green the player has much more value to a team in an NHL season than he does in a super-tournament like this. I think they could have gone either way.
On the upside, GreenLife will be healthy and ready to dole out the piss, vinegar and wicked wristers from March-June.
Russian Machine very rarely breaks.
I think he’s got a bad reputation among “higher ups” and management people. Gaining all that weight last season and his poor playoff performance (he was injured, I know I know) couldn’t have helped his stock in anyone’s eyes.
Green’s better than guys like Boyle and Niedermayer, but I think those guys are a little more professional.
You come at the king, you best not miss.
This is the kind of thinking that gets David Eckstein put on all-decade lists.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Dec 30, 2009 1:26 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Boyle belongs, he’s having a fine season. It’s not like he’s over his head.
Niedermayer is just in name and “leadership” and a little more appropriate for what you’re talking about.
You come at the king, you best not miss.
Leadership??!!
They’ve got like 10 guys on the team that are Captains!!
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 30, 2009 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
With Sid and Iggy...
…they have all the leadership they need. Niedermayer was a fine player and still is a good player, but Green is better right now. He’s also better than most of the other guys listed, if not all of them.
And there is this: http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/stats/byposition?pos=D&conference=NHL&year=season_2009&qualified=1
Oh yeah, forgot he’s defensively weak…hmm:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/stats/byposition?pos=D&conference=NHL&year=season_2009&qualified=1&sort=3
Wait, he’s tied for second in +/- in the NHL for defensemen, and the only player ahead of him is playing in the Olympics for Germany???
Let's go Caps!
by MikeL-Pivonka on Dec 30, 2009 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
I love Jarome as much as the next guy, but he’s not looked at the same as Nieds. Close though. Crosby, well lets’ just say he couldn’t make me go to war over just about anything. Great player, but I’m not sold on great leader. Being a captain is a lot of time about the subtle things.
A man gotta have a code
Crosby is emerging more and more as a leader and will probably be the captain of Team Canada in 2014 (even if Iggy is still playing, which I suspect he will).
I’ve watched a few Pens games this year and he is impressing me more than he did last year. I used to argue that Iggy was Canada’s best player… I think Sid is now. I still think Malkin is better than Sid though…
Let's go Caps!
by MikeL-Pivonka on Dec 30, 2009 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
it’s Germany.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Dec 30, 2009 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
And Niedermayer has so much history. I do think Green has developed a bad reputation; I just hope he’s motivated to overcome it.
(Don’t know if you saw it the other day, but congrats.)
In an ideal world all ten fingers would be on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching.
How does Niedermayer’s history help Canada now?
Not breaking balls, but its a legitimate question.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 30, 2009 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
If Green has “developed” a bad reputation, screw Canada, screw the press, etc. All that matters to us is how he plays for the Caps.
"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."
I don't really care about his bad reputation...
No no…not me…
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 30, 2009 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
Of all the biopics getting made, I have the least interest in that.
"I didn't mind a diminished role because we were winning so much and we're such a great team and had a chance to do something in the playoffs...I would have taken any role on this team to do that.
by Bald Pollack on Dec 30, 2009 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
I just hope he’s motivated to overcome it.
That’s what will be interesting. Does he feel sorry for himself and go out partying a lot again this year or does he get pissed off and buckle down?
You come at the king, you best not miss.
Could go either way, but I’d put cash on the latter. He seems to be one of those guys that responds strongly to perceived slights.
In an ideal world all ten fingers would be on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching.
Greens in good company then.
This guy always responded well to perceived slights.
A man gotta have a code
ESPN 980 loses much props....
…for making Caps update that doesn’t include the biggest story of interest to caps at the moment in the Green snub.
My theory…Dan Snyder is trying to buy a Canadian football team and run them into the ground too.
There's a reason...
…the Caps are on 1500…
Let's go Caps!
by MikeL-Pivonka on Dec 30, 2009 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
Stevie Y wants his forwards to score and his defensemen to defend. It’s probably just that simple. I hope Mike Green doesn’t give a shit.
But Brawndo's got what plants crave. It's got electrolytes.
I doubt that’s going to be the case. I think he cares very much. I just hope it doesn’t distract him or ruin his focus tonight, but instead galvanizes him to kick some tail.
Oh wait, you say that the Caps are facing the team that has Dan Boyle tonight and Drew Doughty on Saturday? Suddenly, I really want the Caps to embarrass both teams.
Unleash the Alex!
Wow.
First off… 400 comments? You guys are nuts!
Now, back to the point of the visit. Green got hosed. No idea what the heck Team Canada is thinking here.
http://www.hockeywilderness.com
I really, absolutely, do not understand taking Staal. There’s no way he’s even a top 20 forward.
Fun fact: A popular opinion can still be stupid.
He’s leading the league in points over the past 48 hours.
Russian Machine very rarely breaks.
by macvechkin on Dec 30, 2009 1:41 PM EST up reply actions 8 recs
wow, Green getting some love from NHL Live. “The Capitals aren’t where they are just because of Ovie and them. It’s because Green is an outstanding defenseman.”
Fun fact: A popular opinion can still be stupid.
thought someone should mention this
AY TOOOK IS JAAAAWWWWWWB!
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by macvechkin on Dec 30, 2009 1:49 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
So… I’d be curious what you all think were the main reasons Green wasn’t picked.
I’m way out of my league here on the Rink in terms of hockey expertise, so I really would enjoy seeing responses.
IMO, it has as much to do with what I think is Green’s penchant for the ill-timed giveaway and other mental lapses. High risk at times.
I think its because they’re racist and don’t like white people.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 30, 2009 2:08 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Greens of the world unite!
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Dec 30, 2009 2:09 PM EST up reply actions
lol its obviusly b/c he play for the caps and not the penguins and there cant be ne caps on team canada b/c crosby is on their and he hates the caps and ovechkin so simple
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Go Wings Go!
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 30, 2009 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
Canadian personality or lack thereof completely aside, I think it has to do with two things:
- The popular perception that he is great offensively but lacking defensively. I’m not going to comment on accuracy, but the perception is there, and it does color these selections.
- Lack of performance in last year’s playoffs.
Unleash the Alex!
If the press and fans picked the team, I’d be with you. But give Yzerman and Babcock a little credit here. They actually watched him play and they know a thing or two about hockey.
I don’t think anybody here thinks Green was one of the top 4 defensemen that Canada was going to pick. And for the bottom three defensemen on their roster, they were looking for certain roles. They just decided to go a different direction.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Dec 30, 2009 2:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Hmmm. I don’t know about the certain roles. Maybe popular perception didn’t color Yzerman, but I’ll bet you it colored his scouts, and don’t think the scouts didn’t have Yzerman’s ear. I don’t doubt that Yzerman and Babcock are smart hockey guys, but they’re also human and I do think that political pressures came into play in choosing that team (how else do you explain Eric Staal?)
I completely agree that he wasn’t in the top four, and possibly not in the Top 6.
Unleash the Alex!
One of the fifteen thousand analysis pieces I read this week said he couldn’t get past memories of Green allowing Crosby to work him in front of the net in Game 7.
ALEX, FЯEE
One of the fifteen thousand analysis pieces I read this week
You need to get out more. :)
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Maybe popular perception didn’t color Yzerman, but I’ll bet you it colored his scouts, and don’t think the scouts didn’t have Yzerman’s ear.
I doubt it. That’s part of the reason people employ scouts in the first place, to see what’s really going on and not what people think is going on.
how else do you explain Eric Staal?
He’s good at hockey?
Good explanation.
Yzerman and Babcock left Green off their team because they believe that his offensive abilities, while greater than those of the guys they selected, weren’t as important as adding a guy with a different skill set. It’s not because “popular perception” clouded anyone’s judgment. They’re a hell of a lot smarter than that, which is part of the reason why they have rings and we have blogs or spend out time commenting on them.
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by J.P. on Dec 30, 2009 8:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
And if they’re scouts, pretty sure popular perception doesn’t play a part – they’re paid to see through that kinda stuff.
And fwiw, it’s not just about a different skill set, TSN spent a bit of time talking about having proven experience internationally – of which Doughty apparently > JayBo & Green. (Not totally sure why Boyle wasn’t thrown into the mix as being replaceable. In my mind Keith-Seabrook’s given chemistry as a shut-down pair with offensive ability made Seabrook a lock.)
Another imagined conversation
Dion Phadouche: That Stevie Y is a dick. Why does he hate us so much, Greenie?
GreenLife52: I don’t know, Douchie? Maybe he’s a homophobe.
Phadouche: We’re not gay Greenie.
GreenLife52: We’re not?
In actuality, Stevie Y just really loathes guys who wear eyeliner and clothes from Affliction.
Grand Rapids A-Go-Go
I hope Greenie gets a goal tonight but I’ll be happy with a couple of assists. After all Ovie needs at least 2 goals (again) to take the lead.
Lobbies: Green, Carlson
Maybe he’ll be so pissed he breaks Ian Turnbull’s record for goals by a defenseman in one game… at least he should have a better game than Boyle tonight.
Let's go Caps!
by MikeL-Pivonka on Dec 30, 2009 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
Here’s a question I posed on Twitter (with one correct answer, but feel free to chime in with any and all responses): Could a team comprised of Canadians not selected for Vancouver medal?
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It would have been a more interesting question if they hadn’t done such a piss-poor job of selecting the actual team!
{grin}
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by Gould Old Days on Dec 30, 2009 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, obviously. They probably wouldn’t be a favorite but I think they could come pretty damn close to Team USA’s roster with their backup squad, maybe even better.
In an ideal world all ten fingers would be on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching.
Here’s BoA’s take on what that team might look like:
Smyth-Lecavalier-St.Louis
Carter-Savard-Cammalleri
B.Richards-Spezza-Doan
Penner-Sharp-Gagne
Bouwmeester-Green
Regehr-Phaneuf
Robidas-Mitchell
Roloson
Giguere/Mason
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I buy Ward not making the main team, but I don’t think I buy him missing the backup squad.
My ability to post is only surpassed by my ability to pinch pennies.
Agreed there. Rolo/Ward/Jiggy.
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Makes sense to me. I think Ward could very well be the #1 goalie in the 2014 Hypothetical Canadian B-Team Squad, and it’d be good to get him some hypothetical experience now.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Dec 30, 2009 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
(Still looking for the “one correct answer,” btw.)
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Can I get a mug if I answer correctly?
My ability to post is only surpassed by my ability to pinch pennies.
For your mug, just email ofbmugs@ofb.com
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Dec 30, 2009 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
With what goaltending? Roloson? Mason?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 30, 2009 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
eh. I’m going to say no. Russia and Sweden look very strong, and the Fins, Czechs, and Slovaks don’t look like they’re going to give up without a major fight.
I actually had a similar argument, in regards to Canada’s consecutive silvers against Russia. The Canadian argument was “Canada didn’t have their best team and Russia did!” Well, Russia didn’t have their best team in 2009 and they still won. Really, if Canada is THAT strong, they should be able to beat everyone at worlds, even if their very best players aren’t playing.
Fun fact: A popular opinion can still be stupid.
@EMcErlain points out that 18 of the top 30 Canadians in scoring didn’t make the team.
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Not terribly surprising. Only 13 F spots and Fs dominate that top scoring. 2 of the 3 D in that group did make it. Which means 10 Fs they picked are in the top 30. 3 Fs aren’t. Hmmm, I know one of the Fs that made it but isn’t top 30…
In an ideal world all ten fingers would be on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching.
One problem with the list is they leave out Heatley and have Stastny in there. It evens out the numbers, just a minor detail.
Now drink with me deeply of the bourbon, scotch, and rye until such time as we are fighting drunk.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Dec 30, 2009 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
He does, but NHL.com sorts it by birth place not the country of international competition, which is why Heater is listed under Germany.
Now drink with me deeply of the bourbon, scotch, and rye until such time as we are fighting drunk.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Dec 30, 2009 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
Yes.
It’s exactly like basketball or baseball for the USA, generalizing here, of the top 100 players in the 50 are Canadian, so they could literally field two teams. Problem is you don’t skate 50 players, and talent at the top of the pool populates three other countries as well. So though Canada has a tremendously deeper talent pool the difference in a single tournament is not that great as to make them undefeatable. A few lucky bounces here and some inspired play there overcomes the general talent gap.
I’m curious, per Nate’s twitter, Green is fairly consistently passed over for team Canada slots, going back to his junior days. Did something happen? Does he just not fit the Canadian mold?
Fun fact: A popular opinion can still be stupid.
He’s Dangerous.
He’s a Rebel.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Dec 30, 2009 2:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You don’t want to get mixed up with a guy like Green. He’s a loner, Dottie. A rebel.
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by J.P. on Dec 30, 2009 2:19 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
They felt they had enough gangsta by including Iginla.
by DrinkingPartner on Dec 30, 2009 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
Ooh, burn. Maybe Iginla has a sweet collection of shades.
by mercurialwinger on Dec 30, 2009 2:57 PM EST up reply actions
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I haven’t even made it over to the clips yet this afternoon. Ayeayeaye, this thread blew up.
I am easily satisfied with the very best
I’m sure some pissy Canadian will cause me to start ranting again at some point!
Fun fact: A popular opinion can still be stupid.
Truculence!
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 30, 2009 2:37 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I kinda wish they had gone with Fischler’s (joking) suggestion of putting Sean Avery on the team. Wouldn’t that have been great?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 30, 2009 2:44 PM EST reply actions
To be fair, Green got snubbed from the All-Star games because of a completely retarded voting system, not a systematic bias against him in particular. (No slight to my mentally handicapped brothers and sisters, but there are some things that are so ridiculously stupid it warrants using the word on an online message board like some 12-year-old would.) 52, 28, and 19 should all be there this year if the NHL knows what’s good for it. Actually, the all-star game is kind of stupid and designed to sell Gatorade, so maybe I’m just shooting my mouth off at this point. I agree that Green needs to let this all fuel his fire and score 200 goals in the last 3 months of the season.
Good
ASG is lame, especially compared to the Classic. I’m hearing team USA will be announced at this year’s classic, whenever that is…
TSN.ca has a poll up...
“Who was the biggest omission from Team Canada?”
The list:
- Mike Fisher (7.6%)
- Martin St. Louis (7.6%)
- Shane Doan (6.9%)
- Dion Phaneuf (6.4%)
- Mike Green (23.2%) <—
- Jay Bouwmeester (20.4%)
- Steven Stamkos (5.5%)
- Vincent Lecavalier (14.1%)
- Patrick Sharp (1.4%)
- Jeff Carter (2.9%)
- Other (3.4%)
I can imagine they’d be pretty poughty if Drew Doughty did not get named
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 30, 2009 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
I could’ve sworn you were going to finish with “noughty”
by DrinkingPartner on Dec 30, 2009 2:57 PM EST up reply actions
Nah...
I would have gone with Naughton
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 30, 2009 2:58 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Wow.
"I didn't mind a diminished role because we were winning so much and we're such a great team and had a chance to do something in the playoffs...I would have taken any role on this team to do that.
by Bald Pollack on Dec 30, 2009 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
That Green is leading on a Canadian website over a player for a Canadian-based team (let’s be honest – this is a two-man conversation) says a lot.
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Agreed. Especially after how much attention TSN gave to the fact that there were no Flames D on Team CAN.
In an ideal world all ten fingers would be on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching.
And how much attention J-Bo’s been given since, well, forever.
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I dunno, I kinda think Vinny is a bigger upset as I would have taken him over 3 guys, Staal, Bergeron and Perry.
I can’t help but feel that Staal’s selection was a mistake, but Perry, skillwise, probably deserves to be there. Bergeron…. I’m not entirely sure why he’s there.
by DrinkingPartner on Dec 30, 2009 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
Speaking of actresses, does this mean Mike Green is now Susan Lucci?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 30, 2009 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
I’d say London Fletcher is way more suited to that title.
And are we comparing Bergeron to Tomei? Or to the great big, gleaming, brass God behind her?
by DrinkingPartner on Dec 30, 2009 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
Tomei was great in her limited role on Rescue Me.
I get her and that lady from Weeds confused all the time.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 30, 2009 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
Mmmmmmmm
Nancy Botwin.
In an ideal world all ten fingers would be on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching.
Before that show went completely over the top in the second season, I really enjoyed it.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 30, 2009 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
Mary Louise Parker, FTW
"I didn't mind a diminished role because we were winning so much and we're such a great team and had a chance to do something in the playoffs...I would have taken any role on this team to do that.
by Bald Pollack on Dec 30, 2009 3:19 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
If the NM folks I asked a couple weeks ago were any indication, they were fans.
"I didn't mind a diminished role because we were winning so much and we're such a great team and had a chance to do something in the playoffs...I would have taken any role on this team to do that.
by Bald Pollack on Dec 30, 2009 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
Vancouver seems to be its own little world. They’re hardly even Canadian.
Fun fact: A popular opinion can still be stupid.
And what an awesome world it is … with the exception of the stunt Burrows pulled last night. Was anyone else up that late?
Unleash the Alex!
No, I missed it. But Burrows is a punk in general, there’s a reason so many tough guys hate him. What’d he do this time.
In an ideal world all ten fingers would be on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching.
Skated up behind someone and deliberately slashed them from behind in the back of the leg right above the knee, hard.
Reminds me of the Lacroix slash on Keith Jones in a Pitt-Wash game back in the mid-90s.
by DrinkingPartner on Dec 30, 2009 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
That was more of a baseball swing, though.
by DrinkingPartner on Dec 30, 2009 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
Slashed Radim Vrbata behind the knee, well behind the play and while they were both standing there. Slashing minor, Coyotes scored on the resultant power play. Vrbata went down on the ice and had to be helped off of it. Just a stinger, but there was obvious intent to injure there.
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A stick slash or a skate slash?
Because if its a deliberate skate slash, he’s ripping off Pat Verbeek (hoo hoo)
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 30, 2009 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
Late? ;-)
Yotes made the bastard play. NHL folks appear to be starting to realize Tippet’s Pack may be for real. 50 more points to a White Out. Howwwwwwwwllllllllllllllllll!
A man gotta have a code
it’s all part of an evil plot to make people in Phoenix hate hockey and then move them to Canada!
Fun fact: A popular opinion can still be stupid.
I’m sure they’d take winning with a trap over losing with Gretzky. I’m all for energizing that fan base and keeping the team in PHX if possible.
In an ideal world all ten fingers would be on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching.
They play a modified version, but are much more up tempo than the old school Lemaire version. Tippet lets Yandle and Jovo lead the rush if they see an opening for example.
A man gotta have a code
Side topic for a moment
If you are using auto-refresh, since when did it start automagically moving you to the latest comment? That is officially annoying as shit.
Russian Machine very rarely breaks.
by macvechkin on Dec 30, 2009 3:19 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Drop a line to support@sbnation.com and let ‘em know. All y’all. Squeaky wheels get greased ’round these parts.
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by J.P. on Dec 30, 2009 3:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Are you sure it’s not just the comment appearing above and pushing everything down?
In an ideal world all ten fingers would be on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching.
It actually happened to me before for some reason, but now everything is all fine and dandy for me.
I also like jumping out of tall buildings.
http://twitter.com/sasanmousavi <-- My two cents.
by Steck It Out on Dec 30, 2009 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
I think your avatar is apital
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Dec 30, 2009 4:53 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Just giving you a hard time {grin}
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Dec 30, 2009 6:55 PM EST up reply actions
Dude, the threshold for regret around here is way higher than that.
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by Gould Old Days on Dec 30, 2009 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
Disappointed Green = wants to prove himself Green = a better Green
I also like jumping out of tall buildings.
http://twitter.com/sasanmousavi <-- My two cents.
" " = A viciously physical, Shark-clobbering Green.
by DrinkingPartner on Dec 30, 2009 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
""" = A viciously physical, goal-scoring, can’t-touch-this Shark-clobbering, NHL record setting like last year Green!!
by Doncosmic on Dec 30, 2009 3:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
JP, I would love to know who you’re directing the "Stop this “he doesn’t play D” crap" tweet to.
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It’s a generic note and reply to some of the fools who are @’ing me.
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oh man, now I understand. I’ve been clicking through some……wow, there are a lot of angry Canadians who hate Green but are scarily obsessed with him, and not in a good way.
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Conspiracy hat on for a sec – is it because he plays with anti-Crosby?
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I dunno. Like the Caps, seems in Canada there’s no middle ground on Greenie: you’re either a fan because you actually understand hockey, or you irrationally hate him and spout BS like “HE CAN’T PLAY DEFENSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”
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And his personal style rubs a lot of people the wrong way. I’d assume GreenLife52 flies even worse in Canada than it does in DC.
In an ideal world all ten fingers would be on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching.
see, I find GreenLife52 absolutely hilarious, in a good way. So what if he thinks he’s ThugLife52? He’s got personality, and I find him to be a sweetly endearing space cadet. Maybe it’s because I don’t think its an act (maybe its the result of a few too many whacks on the head……).
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He's got personality...
…and that must be why Team Canada didn’t want him.
Whoever said he should become a US Citizen… seconded! Team USA would love to have him, I’d bet!
they can’t have him. IIHF rules forbid players switching teams. Mike’s played for Canada, he plays for Canada and only Canada.
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Doesn’t the IIHF still do handle the dual citizenship option? Not saying he (or his family) would be eligible, axing out of curiosity.
"I didn't mind a diminished role because we were winning so much and we're such a great team and had a chance to do something in the playoffs...I would have taken any role on this team to do that.
by Bald Pollack on Dec 30, 2009 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
my understanding of dual citizenship is one you represent one of those countries, that’s it. You’re not eligible to represent any other country. I think you’d need a damn good reason (like political asylum, fearing for your life) to convinced IIHF to switch the country you represent.
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Not like the rules for the World Baseball Classic, where a last name pretty much entitles you to play for that counrty.
Gotcha. For whatever reason, I thought it was a little more forgiving than it actually was. I guess FIFA > IIHF on that one to a degree.
"I didn't mind a diminished role because we were winning so much and we're such a great team and had a chance to do something in the playoffs...I would have taken any role on this team to do that.
by Bald Pollack on Dec 30, 2009 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
the guys on Power Play just brought up Peter Nedved, who played for Czechoslovakia as a junior, defected to Canada in early 1989, and got Canaian citizenship in 1993 to play in the 1994 Olympic (from wiki, it appears some sort of contract hold out allowed him to play in the Olympics) But in 1996, he was representing the Czech Republic. I’m not sure why he was allowed to switch again. By 1993, he wasn’t in any danger in the Czech Republic. The whole thing sounds a little sketchy.
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I hate Nedved. Not sure why…
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Dec 30, 2009 6:56 PM EST up reply actions
He was a Penguin and routinely scored against the Caps.
My ability to post is only surpassed by my ability to pinch pennies.
He scored one goal in particular…
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by Gould Old Days on Jan 1, 2010 12:05 AM EST up reply actions
My simple observation is justified or not, Canadians seem to think of Green as a novelty, a flashy luxury not neccessary for national teams.
“Why do we need a Lambrogreenie, we have these reliable BMW’s? Much more sensible, eeh.”
There isn’t a fan of a Canadian NHL team that doesn’t want Green though.
completely unsurprisingly, but Power Play, in discussing snubs on defense, has completely ignored Green in favor of that “How could they leave that Flames off?!?!?!” story line.
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Scott Laughlin routinely picks dumbass causes to get riled up over. I almost never agree with him, but I appreciate his phony-baloney radio jive voice.
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For those who say Green probably was elimated based on last year’s playoffs (ESPN, cough, cough), I have one question. Why was he even invited to the orientation camp?
"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."
If last year’s playoffs could eliminate you, then Joe Thornton, Mike Richards, Jarome Iginla, Patrice Bergeron and Patrick Marleau would all be getting the same treatment.
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What do they have in common that Green doesn’t? Oh, right, they play forward. Rule applies to defence only. I was only pointing out the idiocy of the suggestion.
"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."
From the LA Times
Team Canada coach Mike Babcock, the former Ducks coach, said selectors had no qualms picking so young a player who’s in only his second NHL season.
“The great players get better so fast,” he said. "He has unbelievable poise, and he’s great in his own zone.
“He’s going to be a difference-maker. He can really shoot the pill and besides, Mike Green is too gangsta.”
Yzerman specifically said he thought Green was a great offensive defenseman but Doughty was a more well rounded player.
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Yet I’m pretty sure that Mirtle ran the numbers and Green is as good or better than the guys who made the team. And then throw in his offense………I’m left scratching my head.
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He did.
Ahh, the hell with it. We have a real live hockey game tonight. Since I don’t have to work tomorrow, I plan on quaffing some pints in memoriam to Greenie’s Olympic hopes and more importantly, to see the Caps venge-stomp the Sharks for their 1st win in Sharktown since 1993, which was the last year the KINGS minus Drew Doughty, believe it or not, made the SCF.
Has anyone explicitly said that it came down to Doughty and Green/JBo? One could, perhaps more easily, make the case that Green deserves to be on the team ahead of Boyle rather than ahead of Doughty.
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You’re right that Boyle is an obvious choice to swap for Green, but I’m pretty sure Yzerman acknowledged that Doughty was the 7th choice, but I’m not entirely positive.
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Yes. On TSN they keep replaying bits of the broadcast on Sportscenter, and I forget if it was Babcock or Yzerman in the presser that said it, but they briefly touched on the fact that Doughty was brought to be 7th, because of his age and proven experience internationally, ability to elevate his game when/if neccessary. The TSN crew (read: Bobby Mac) also said that it came down to JayBo/Doughty/Seabrook for the last two spots in the last 24 hours (not confirmed by Stevie/Babs).
I can’t recall any mention of Boyle being replaceable, which is weird because I feel the same way. I would almost even say JayBo could be swapped for Boyle as well, although he also makes a good swap for Doughty (more so than Green).. probably why he’s “first in line” for injury replacement.
JBo does not have nearly the offense he’s credited with. He’d be a fine pick defensively but if you are looking to replace Boyle then Green is the most obvious choice IMO.
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Right. I get that Doughty was nominally #7, but really think that it could have been looked at as two decisions – Boyle vs. Green (pick 1) and Doughty vs. JayBo vs. Seabrook (pick 2).
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Yeah, and I suspect that might be how it did go down after reading what Vinn said above (JBo/Doughty/Seabrook for the final 2 spots). They looked at their two candidates for an “offense only” D and settled on the one with less offense, defense, size, hits, but more experience.
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jeeeez, how would you like to have to call your kid and be the one to break the “Sorry, you’re not going to the Olympics” news to him?
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I'm a little confused by that...
Did Yzerman not even have Green’s cell phone number?
“Hi Mrs. Green, is Mikey home? No? Can you please tell him he’s not going to the Olympics, then, for me? kthxbai.”
no, sounds like Canada called the guys who made it minutes for the announcement, but didn’t bother to tell the camp invitees who didn’t make the cut. They had to find out watching TV (or, in Green’s case, when his parents watched and then called him to break the news)
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Caps now have video up.
Green does a decent job of not looking completely crushed. he also says this will push him to prove them wrong and become an even better player.
Bruce throws out an interesting tinfoil hat theory: the Canadian braintrust is all made up of Western team guys and they picked 6 western guys + Pronger who spent his career out west.
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Not the first time today I heard that. Someone on NHL Live say that? Also not entirely tin foil hat if you go with the logic of who do you see the most? Just like complaints that people pay more attention to eastern teams because the west plays too late.
"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."
And they all HATE CALGARY!
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by Gould Old Days on Dec 30, 2009 6:57 PM EST up reply actions
Dirk from OTF has it broken down by team so far.
"I didn't mind a diminished role because we were winning so much and we're such a great team and had a chance to do something in the playoffs...I would have taken any role on this team to do that.
Being a rare Canadian regular on this forum, my rooting interests are decidedly different from everyone on here. Truth is though I get more excited watching the Caps play most nights than watching Olympic hockey. So I am glad we will have Green rested for the late regular season and playoffs with so many of our regs playing for various nations for 2 weeks . I think Stevie Y was basically choosing for a 7th man with 4 of the D-men pre-determined and the Chicago pair chosen out of the teamworkiness issue. That said I like Doughty and will not complain too much (unless Green doesn’t bring his game in the late season and playoffs).
I did find an interesting article today, however, in the Globe and Mail (Toronto paper) where David Naylor in July 2003 (when the Olympics were picked to be held in Vancouver) projected his picks for what a Canadian roster in 2010 would look like. Although it’s all a crapshoot and one cannot guess what draft picks will pan out in the following years, take a look:
Goalies: Martin Brodeur; Roberto Luongo; Marc-Andre Fleury
Defence: Eric Brewer; Derek Morris; Chris Pronger; Wade Redden; Barret Jackman; Jay Bouwmeester; Steve Eminger
Forwards: Mike Comrie; Sinon Gagne; Jarome Iginla; Ryan Smyth; Paul Kariya; Rick Nash; Eric Staal; Joe Thornton; Vincent Lecavalier; Stephen Weiss; Dany Heatley; Alex Tanguay; Jason Spezza; Brad Richards
3 observations:
a) Pretty easy score on the goalies
b) Imagine if we were debating Steve Eminger’s merits as Canada’s 7th D-man rather than Green. Scarrryyyyyyy
c) Thank god Comrie has faded. Last thing we need is Hilary Duff at the Olympics in a Roots hat.
I lived with a blind guy for a while, then he figured it out and demanded back rent.
by Rather Bengt on Dec 30, 2009 6:50 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
That list is fantastic!
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by Gould Old Days on Dec 30, 2009 6:59 PM EST up reply actions
We traded a future Team Canada Dman for a guy that's only playing WJC for the USA?!?!?!
GMGM needs better asset management.
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