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The Trade Deadline?

Lots to say about so little action. The team's standing pat and making a run for the Cup with the current group of guys.

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Over 2,000 comments and not a Caps trade in the bunch.

Wow.

"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."

by gfcaps fan on Feb 27, 2012 5:45 PM EST reply actions  

and hardly a decent player moved either – good day to stay quiet

OH GOD - that referee sucks!
"Actually, his name is pronounced Auger!"

by Goody2shoes on Feb 27, 2012 6:07 PM EST up reply actions  

APOSTROPHE ABUSE

Χαίρε στους νικητές

by Big Boutros on Feb 27, 2012 5:46 PM EST reply actions  

so did the Red Wings trade Brad Stuart or not?

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by Big Boutros on Feb 27, 2012 5:48 PM EST reply actions  

not that I heard. Where did you hear that?

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by RedBirdie on Feb 27, 2012 5:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Reported earlier in the day, nothing ever came of it.

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by leacha on Feb 27, 2012 5:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Ah, a new sheet of ice for overtime.

by morning skate on Feb 27, 2012 5:50 PM EST reply actions  

I feel like “run for the playoffs” might be more appropriate, but I’m loving the unintentional optimism.

Roman Hamrlik is so bad that I've forgotten how bad Jeff Schultz is.

by Alex Reed on Feb 27, 2012 6:08 PM EST reply actions  

Nothing about it was unintentional. Or optimistic.

Please, call me F&B.

by Rob Parker on Feb 27, 2012 6:11 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I was being somewhat sarcastic…because the truth, as stated, is nothing if not disheartening.

Roman Hamrlik is so bad that I've forgotten how bad Jeff Schultz is.

by Alex Reed on Feb 27, 2012 7:54 PM EST up reply actions  

“run for the golf course”

by RPI93 on Feb 27, 2012 6:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

“Getting the runs in the playoffs.”

Unleash the Apathy.

by D'ohboy on Feb 27, 2012 6:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Means very different things to hockey players, baseball players, Top Chef contestants

by discuit on Feb 27, 2012 6:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah. No last chance kitchen in hockey.

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by capsyoungguns on Feb 27, 2012 7:27 PM EST up reply actions  

No trades = good day for Caps. No available player or combination of players would have prepared this team for a deep run. Instead, it may have weakend their position for offseason moves. Agreed some players could have been shed but hey, now it’s on each individual in the room to prove their worth to the franchise including the coach. Not a bad position from where I sit.

Oh this young man has had a very trying rookie season, with the litigation, the notoriety, his subsequent deportation to Canada and that country's refusal to accept him...

by Steve47 on Feb 27, 2012 6:11 PM EST reply actions  

I agree with you 100%.
Glad they didn’t go nuts today.
Would have liked to seen a couple of players that are not in their plans unloaded for anything. Draft picks, prospects, futures, whatever, but I’m not mad about the way the day went.

My name is for the band Prong.

by Prongfan on Feb 27, 2012 7:24 PM EST up reply actions  

One bias I kind of sense in Rinkers’ thinking is the idea that paying fans, as a whole, will adjust their spending based on the team’s on and off-ice performance.

I’m not entirely sure how much that enters into any ticket-buyers’ decision-making process, but in DC, especially, I’ve noticed that a lot of the “Rock the Red” fever is Ovechkin-centered; folks – by whom I mean ultra-casual observers of the sport, who go to 1-2 games a year – seem to have an idea of the Caps as the high-flyers of the 2008-2010 period (an idea, I’ll add, that Caps marketing is perfectly content to let them keep). These folks wouldn’t recognize Roman Hamrlik if he was wearing a nametag, and even then might think he’s the Czech attache to the Pentagon or something. They don’t know that today was the trade deadline, they might not even be aware that the team is struggling this year.

On top of that, you have STH and suiteholders who aren’t even real fans – who maintain a presence in the arena to entertain clients or give perks to staff. (My entree to Caps hockey was thanks to a full suite, owned by my boss, for a company of 25 people). How long does it take knowledge of the teams suckitude to filter up to folks like this? And, when you combine both categories, what percentage of paying fans do they make up?

In other words, I think Rinkers are very, very unrepresentative of the fanbase at large, and I think that Leonsis and company are happy to ride out what’s left of Ovi-mania rather than take a risk of tanking this season. That’s disappointing for the long-term future of the team, but maybe the long-term future was never a consideration to begin with.

by coreymull on Feb 27, 2012 6:13 PM EST reply actions  

I’d like to see a poll to see how many games non-STHs go to every year.

There are too many variables to say that only going to 1 or 2 games a year makes you an ultra-casual observer. Cable packages can be pretty affordable compared to the $20-$70 for one ticket to a live game. We’re pretty big fans and we only go to 6 to 10 games a year. We watch nearly all of them on TV, though.

by jopierce on Feb 27, 2012 6:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Right, I don’t think “games attended” is a useful measure of how informed a fan is (I go to 2-3 a year nowadays, ever since I left the job with the suite). In fact, I’m sort of saying the opposite – that the “paying fans” aren’t, on the whole, particularly knowledgeable about the team.

by coreymull on Feb 27, 2012 6:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I haven’t been to a (home) game in probably 4 years. But, I live in Phoenix, so ownership hardly cares what I think.

by meep_42 on Feb 27, 2012 6:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Unfortunately the same can be said for Coyotes fans

by discuit on Feb 27, 2012 6:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Don’t be silly. That’s like caring what unicorns and leprechauns think.

by meep_42 on Feb 27, 2012 6:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I am a huge NHL fan, and because of finances (2 kids, mortgage, wife’s student loan), I go to one game a year. I’m definitely not casual.

by RCheli on Feb 27, 2012 7:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed. I’ve been to one game this season.

Please, call me F&B.

by Rob Parker on Feb 27, 2012 7:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually 2.

Please, call me F&B.

by Rob Parker on Feb 27, 2012 7:36 PM EST up reply actions  

3 here, but only lower-profile western conference opponents when I can get tickets below face. It’s kind of become an annual habit. Maybe one day I’ll see a pens or flyers game…

by discuit on Feb 27, 2012 8:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I have yet to meet a STH or anyone else for that matter, who knows what Japers Rink is :O

2011-2012...here we go again.

by alisterio on Feb 27, 2012 10:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I once recognized the handle of a Rinker (he used his real name) as a guy who I had been friends with in middle school, but hadn’t spoken to since. Confirmed on facebook that it was him. I also have a few friends who I as far as I know read but don’t post.

/ot

by discuit on Feb 27, 2012 11:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Worst possible outcome; no improvement for next year in order to maintain a team on the fringe of the playoffs.

Even some ill-advised all-in moves would have some chance at an upside.

by meep_42 on Feb 27, 2012 6:18 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

I’m not sure these are reasons to be critical of no moves. A better reason would be that for instance we can’t likely resign Wideman, Green, and Carlson so if this isn’t a cup run we get nothing at all for Wideman most likely when he leaves as UFA. Then there is Vokoun who with his cap hit would be a huge commodity for a team needing goaltending and we sure as hell can’t resign him next year so nothing for him (maybe no buyers?). With Semin until we see his contract demands not sure how this will look in hindsight, the guy isn’t worth anything remotely close to what he is getting paid now and you have to wonder if he really wants to stick with these 1 year deals.

Basically you need to REALLY believe this team is making the playoffs or this was a complete failure at the deadline. Or GMGM is being stubborn and doesn’t want to admit failure by trading any of the guys he picked up.

by Potitang on Feb 27, 2012 6:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Making the playoffs is not the goal any more. I’m completely on with missing them to help the next few years.

And, yes, I did mean by trading players not likely to be here next year for any reason.

by meep_42 on Feb 27, 2012 6:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

How can you say that making the playoffs is not a goal anymore? Leonsis would be mocked mercilessly by media and fans if they didn’t make the playoffs this year after saying last year they would make the playoffs for 10 years in a row.

by kovachs on Feb 27, 2012 7:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t think being afraid of the non-money-related backlash from the MSM and fans is a good reason for making (or not making) the moves you do.

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by red army line on Feb 27, 2012 7:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Neither do I but I think it played a role here…..

I would have liked to see them move Wideman at least for a first round pick + a prospect, maybe move Vokoun and Hamrlick.

You don’t give up much but you gain a bunch for later. The optics of that would not have played well though.

by kovachs on Feb 27, 2012 7:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I have to believe that no one was offering a first round pick for Wideman. At least I hope not. And yes, looking at other defensemen that moved it’s logical to think Wideman’s value was a first round pick, but there’s a big difference between a first rounder and a second rounder.

by Dirk Dangler on Feb 27, 2012 8:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I cannot fathom that nobody had a First on the table for D Wides. Caps weren’t selling unless they got a quality roster player back. That wasn’t happening.

Please, call me F&B.

by Rob Parker on Feb 27, 2012 8:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep, GMGM wanted to trade, not sell. Wideman for a legit player, not just for a basketful of picks.

I would have taken the pick, but if I knew anything about hockey…

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by Bman21212 on Feb 27, 2012 9:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Wides was had for a 3rd round pick last year and is the same player. Maybe the all star game etc gave him more exposure or being on an expiring contract has more value to someone. But the point is 1st round picks are very valuable and a lot less likely to be moved, particularly for a UFA. Quincy was worth a late 1st as a RFA. You think Wideman is more valuable than Quincy?

by Dirk Dangler on Feb 27, 2012 9:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m not familiar enough with Quincey, but this is a guy in an all-star season, a guy who can be productive on the PP and won’t embarrass himself too much at ES with any usage.

Flip it around—is there an all-star who hasn’t fetched at least a first at the trade deadline?

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by red army line on Feb 27, 2012 10:10 PM EST up reply actions  

(also, what he should be worth is different from what GMs will be offering for him)

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by red army line on Feb 27, 2012 10:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I have a hard time putting too much stock into his all star game appearance. One stat was thrown around today — something like only 21 1st round picks have been traded on deadline day since the early 80s. I guess 22 today with Gaustad. Those picks are just too valuable to trade for a rental, 5-6 defenseman (on a contender) with PP ability. But you’re right, it only takes one GM so maybe it was out there.

by Dirk Dangler on Feb 27, 2012 10:54 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s a completely different situation. Wideman last year went for so cheap because he still had term remaining. Wideman this year is actually more valuable because the contract comes off the books 7/1.

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by leacha on Feb 27, 2012 10:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I’ve heard that argument but I don’t buy it. If Wideman is that valuable, teams would have been lining up to have him for another year at $4m.

by Dirk Dangler on Feb 27, 2012 11:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Lining up to have with with picks and prospects?

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by red army line on Feb 28, 2012 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Wideman is definitely more valuable than Quincey.

Please, call me F&B.

by Rob Parker on Feb 27, 2012 11:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Some might argue that this current roster would automatically improve with a full season of Mike Green and Nick Backstrom.

Injuries happen, but these are the types of injured players that ruin teams’ seasons. It’s kind of surprising that Johansson and Perreault have been able to carry the weight as well as they have.

by Release The Mackan! on Feb 27, 2012 6:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t think we can use mike green being injured as an excuse any more. It seems more the norm that he misses large chunk of the season than an aberration.

by meep_42 on Feb 27, 2012 6:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

“More the norm” after only two seasons?

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by red army line on Feb 27, 2012 7:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m not excusing anything.

I’m just saying having your 1C and your 1D for 90% of the games during any season will automatically make this team perform better than what we’ve seen this year, especially during a coaching change that will obviously have its share of rough patches.

by Release The Mackan! on Feb 27, 2012 7:50 PM EST up reply actions  

And an offseason with Hunter.

My name is for the band Prong.

by Prongfan on Feb 27, 2012 7:25 PM EST up reply actions  

This team was showing signs of poor play and bad habits well before the injury bug hit. Even during their 7-0 start.

Release the Mackan!

by Killer_Carlson on Feb 27, 2012 9:37 PM EST up reply actions  

They were at least playoff-caliber then, though :(

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by red army line on Feb 27, 2012 10:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Kristoffer Bäckström ‏ @kbackstrom85

I find it hard to believe that there was nothing out there.. Anything is for sale for right price #TradeDeadlineDay #moregamble

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by EmilyB on Feb 27, 2012 6:33 PM EST reply actions  

Nicky’s health, apparently, can’t be obtained at any price. Kristoffer Backstrom is an idiot.

by Aliceanna on Feb 27, 2012 6:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Fuck him.

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by Bald Pollack on Feb 27, 2012 6:36 PM EST up reply actions  

For those on twitter, I think it’s interesting to read the series of comments.

by sk84fun_dc on Feb 27, 2012 6:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Whenever the phrase “for the right price” is mentioned, alcohol must be consumed and/or credibility must be lost.

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by Dimagus on Feb 27, 2012 6:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Nicky needs to tell his brother to shut up.

"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."

by gfcaps fan on Feb 27, 2012 7:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Nicky’s going to be getting an email about his brother spouting off on twitter I believe.

by kovachs on Feb 27, 2012 7:14 PM EST up reply actions  

No one mentioned Derek Roy.

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by Penguin Hunter on Feb 27, 2012 6:38 PM EST reply actions  

I was lead to believe that puck-moving defensemen were the most sought after asset on trade deadline day. Only 2 players moved today even come close to that designation: Gragnani and Gilbert. Furthermore, if Paul fucking Gaustad pulled in a first round pick I can only imagine what Wideman would’ve sent back this way. . .

Lots of players with a last name starting with G were moved though,

Gilbert, Gilroy, Gaustad, Gragnani, Galiardi, Gordon, and Greg (Zanon)

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by kingzman264 on Feb 27, 2012 6:44 PM EST reply actions  

Joe Gorvo? sike

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by TheFuryUnleashed on Feb 27, 2012 6:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Gordon got traded? To who?

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by Penguin Hunter on Feb 27, 2012 7:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Andrew Gordon

Cross check and all call.

by bigonetimer on Feb 27, 2012 7:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Vancouver

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by red army line on Feb 27, 2012 7:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh, I hope he does well there. Except for WSH vs VAN days.

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by Penguin Hunter on Feb 27, 2012 7:44 PM EST up reply actions  

NHLN showing GMGM’s presser now. Interesting to see what they say about it.

by Aliceanna on Feb 27, 2012 6:47 PM EST reply actions  

And what they say is all their commentators weren’t surprised the Caps stood pat, but mostly because they think the Caps suck. Button just because they suck. Weekes because they don’t have an “identity.”

by Aliceanna on Feb 27, 2012 6:49 PM EST reply actions  

Most of those guys don’t seem to know what theyre talking about.

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by kingzman264 on Feb 27, 2012 6:53 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s amazing how most of these guys spent all morning talking about how active they expected the Caps to be.

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by leacha on Feb 27, 2012 7:09 PM EST up reply actions  

After slogging through as many posts as I could for the last hour or so, it seems the prevailing sentiment is that GMGM didn’t make any of the “deals” that all the amateur GM-geniuses would have liked.
Among those: trading 4 unattracive commodoties for the cure-all 2C, whom nobody could name, bringing in a high priced winger for a price they couldn’t afford and pawning off an enigmatic Ruskie on some dunderhead genral manager, whomever that might be. Never mind the realities of how many teams are still in the playoff hunt and the uncertainty of the upcoming CBA, we want deals, dammit!
Well, the tail didn’t wag the dog and considering how ineffective so many of the deadline deals have proven lately, I can’t get all worked up over the fact that none were consummated.
This group needs to take a deep breath, quit feeling sorry for themselves and act like they give a shit. I, for one, would enjoy it if they just squeaked in and had to actually work to advance in the playoffs; it would be a good test of the “playoff hockey” mentality that is being trumpeted and a chance to separate the wheat from the chaff of players who are committed to that system.

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by Acer Jonesy's Laughker on Feb 27, 2012 6:53 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Correct me if I’m wrong, but the last time that happened as a result of trade deadline deals was the Brian Bellows, Essa Tikkannen,etc. SCF year.

Jaromir Jagr is now 40. That's 280 in Jagr years.

by Acer Jonesy's Laughker on Feb 27, 2012 6:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Well seeing as how since then the Caps have won a total of two playoff series, both against the Rangers as overwhelming favorites, one could say that’s the last time the Caps really advanced in the playoffs, trade deadline deals or no.

Release the Mackan!

by Killer_Carlson on Feb 27, 2012 9:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Can’t rec via mobile :(

by meep_42 on Feb 27, 2012 7:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I think you’re over-simplifying those sentiments. I think most of us realized there wouldn’t be a 2C brought in today. I’m glad they didn’t overspend for someone like Roy, who would probably help us going forward but wouldn’t really be the answer.

I don’t think it would take a “dunderhead” GM to want Semin. I’m glad we didn’t send him away, though; we need his scoring right now.

Who is the high priced winger that there was a prevailing sentiment to bring in?

Warning: I started watching hockey in 2007. So, yeah.

by Laich Button on Feb 27, 2012 7:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I assume Nash. And most people were against the Caps trading for him.

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by Steckel Me Elmo on Feb 27, 2012 7:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Of our pieces, Dennis Wideman and Tomas Vokoun would have been plenty attractive. The problem is I don’t think teams were willing in throwing pieces that could help the Caps this year if we traded those two. Best case scenario was probably draft picks, maybe prospects, which could help the Caps in the future, but not this year.

by Joran on Feb 27, 2012 7:05 PM EST up reply actions  

And I’d gladly take those, as I think the Caps are beyond help this year. Picks and prospects are better than nothing.

Release the Mackan!

by Killer_Carlson on Feb 27, 2012 9:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Most people didn’t think the Caps would get their 2C during the trade deadline. I, and others, that were looking for trades were looking for GMGM to use the assets that would not be hear past this season, or weren’t in future plans, to acquire picks or prospects that GMGM could later use. The Caps have shown us nothing to make us think that they can be contenders, and instead of going all in for a futile cause, they should position themselves for improvements over the summer without completely tanking on the season.

Once you take the fisting element out, it's not romantic anymore.

by Steckel Me Elmo on Feb 27, 2012 7:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Perhaps I have over-generalized but I couldn’t wade through all one thousand comments. However, I did see numerous “McPhee should be fired” comments and ridiculous expectations on what the Caps could receive in return for trades. Yes, I was referring to Nash. It just seems like much ado about nothing. Sorry if I pissed in anybody’s Wheaties. I want to see the Caps do well as much as the next person. At this point, it’s up to this group to perform and if they do, there will be just as loud a clarion call about how glad we were they didn’t get rid of anybody.

Jaromir Jagr is now 40. That's 280 in Jagr years.

by Acer Jonesy's Laughker on Feb 27, 2012 7:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I was one that posted some displeasure with McPhee and desire to see him gone. But that has more to do with past years than it does with this deadline.

Once you take the fisting element out, it's not romantic anymore.

by Steckel Me Elmo on Feb 27, 2012 7:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I think the rest of this season has more effect on GMGM’s employment than the deadline on its on.

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by KillerTestudo on Feb 27, 2012 7:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed. GMGM has made multiple teams that look good on paper but have underachieved terrifically regardless of the coach. If multiple buildings designed by the same man fail to have structural integrity, at a certain point you have to question the architect.

Once you take the fisting element out, it's not romantic anymore.

by Steckel Me Elmo on Feb 27, 2012 7:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I think his biggest problem may be in picking coaches, not players.

Please, call me F&B.

by Rob Parker on Feb 27, 2012 7:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Boudreau was a good hire. Cassidy, Hanlon and Hunter…I suppose the current guy could turn it around, but it doesn’t look very good.

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by fat_daddyo on Feb 27, 2012 9:12 PM EST up reply actions  

BB was good, but it was also a bit of luck that he happened to be sitting in the AHL with Hershey. If he had really known how good BB was Hanlon never would have started that season.

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by Rob Parker on Feb 27, 2012 11:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I think only a three-round playoff run saves McPhee’s job. Well, maybe if they look REALLY good in round 2 he stays…

by meep_42 on Feb 27, 2012 7:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly. Same as the Boudreau situation, people didn’t just decide one day that he sucked. There was a troubling pattern that emerged until things reached a head.

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by Rob Parker on Feb 27, 2012 7:46 PM EST up reply actions  

But hey, at least he’s not Howson.

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by Bman21212 on Feb 27, 2012 9:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Thank you Acer…I don’t have enough time to read everything and reply (off to hockey practice of course), but you’ve echoed my sentiments…thx. Let’s see what happens.

by Goaliemama on Feb 27, 2012 7:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Have fun in net!

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by Penguin Hunter on Feb 27, 2012 7:52 PM EST up reply actions  

GMGM could’ve done with Wides and Vokes what Stevie Y did with Quincey.

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by Penguin Hunter on Feb 27, 2012 7:28 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s what I was hoping for, and to a lesser extent RomHam and Knuble.

Once you take the fisting element out, it's not romantic anymore.

by Steckel Me Elmo on Feb 27, 2012 7:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Wideman, I would be pretty hesitant to trade, if I was GMGM. Vokoun, given Neuvy’s recent play, maybe a little more open, but I would’ve waited to see how that played out. Same with RHam, but hesitant to trade Knuble. Wides and Knuble are potentially two valuable players in the offseason; Wides because of his two-way play, and Knub’s experience. Ward could’ve been appealing to near-playoff teams.

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by Penguin Hunter on Feb 27, 2012 7:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Wideman is on pace for 50 points – someone is going to offer him both money and term in the offseason and I dearly hope it’s not the Caps. He’s not Mike Green, singlehandedly breaking the Caps out of the opposing zone, he’s a PP specialist who doesn’t drown at ES. Further, he’s not so hot in his own zone. Dennis Wideman is what people thought Mike Green was during his Norris Finalist years.

by Knee high to a duck on Feb 27, 2012 7:37 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Yeah, I would be hesitant to trade him, but he, by no means, would be completely out of the picture. Maybe Wides and Vokes in a package deal? I dunno.

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-Ilya Bryzgalov-

by Penguin Hunter on Feb 27, 2012 7:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Given what Chicago gave up for Oduya (and all the cap space they’re not using this season), I can’t imagine that McPhee couldn’t have pried out some of those prospects.

by Knee high to a duck on Feb 27, 2012 7:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Ladies and gentlemen, your Shea Weber runner-up consolation prize is…

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by Rob Parker on Feb 27, 2012 7:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought Weber was the Suter runner-up consolation prize…

Once you take the fisting element out, it's not romantic anymore.

by Steckel Me Elmo on Feb 27, 2012 7:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Ha, guess so. It’ll be sad to watch GMGM not be competitive on those guys.

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by Rob Parker on Feb 27, 2012 7:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I feel like if ever their was a UFA D to overpay for, it’s Chara. But since GM missed out on that one, Suter’s an excellent plan B.

by Murshawursha on Feb 27, 2012 7:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m not nearly that big a fan of Chara. I’d actually pick Suter of the three (Chara, Suter, Weber).

Please, call me F&B.

by Rob Parker on Feb 27, 2012 8:00 PM EST up reply actions  

So with Semin and Wideman’s contracts off the books, how would you feel about $7-7.5 million for Suter this summer.

by Murshawursha on Feb 27, 2012 8:02 PM EST up reply actions  

That sentence should totally end with a question mark, not a period.

by Murshawursha on Feb 27, 2012 8:02 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s tough to swallow. Ideally you’re looking at 6.5 but I’m sure someone bids him up. Gotta get one last cap circumventin’ deal in before the new CBA.

Please, call me F&B.

by Rob Parker on Feb 27, 2012 8:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t think I would have a problem paying 7 mil for Weber. He is going to win a Norris one of these years.

by mkyan978 on Feb 27, 2012 8:05 PM EST up reply actions  

You mean when Erik Karlsson retires, right?

by RCheli on Feb 27, 2012 8:06 PM EST up reply actions  

‘12 version Ovi made Karlsson look like a pylon. That wouldn’t happen with Weber.

by mkyan978 on Feb 27, 2012 8:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Regardless how much we like to put down ’12 Ovie…he has flashes of old Ovie and turns everyone into a pylon occasionally.

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by Davethecapsfan on Feb 28, 2012 4:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Semin made Weber look like a pylon as I recall.

OH GOD - that referee sucks!
"Actually, his name is pronounced Auger!"

by Goody2shoes on Feb 28, 2012 8:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, but Nashville isn’t gonna let him go. They’d be like dogs clinging onto blood-soaked steak.

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by Penguin Hunter on Feb 27, 2012 8:07 PM EST up reply actions  

May not be their choice.

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by Rob Parker on Feb 27, 2012 8:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Weber’s an RFA for one more year, isn’t he? So they can keep him at least that long, unless somebody feels he’s worth a king’s ransom in first-round picks.

by Murshawursha on Feb 27, 2012 8:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, you’re right. It’s just a matter of time though.

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by Rob Parker on Feb 27, 2012 8:38 PM EST up reply actions  

You reminded me of this GIF.

http://images.nonexiste.net/img/irc/2011/10/23/soon-cat-bed.gif

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by Drubert90 on Feb 27, 2012 8:56 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s high, but again, if ever there was a guy to overpay for…

IMO, I’d do it. GMGM’s gonna have to go all-in on a guy one of these days anyway. And a Suter/Green pairing backed up by Alzner/Carlson would be sexy.

by Murshawursha on Feb 27, 2012 8:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Two to one says Homgren snaps up Suter….

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by Wilderthing on Feb 27, 2012 8:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Not unless he dumps some salary to make it happen.

by Murshawursha on Feb 27, 2012 8:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree, it’s high, but having a stacked D like that would cover up a lot of problems.

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by Bman21212 on Feb 27, 2012 9:33 PM EST up reply actions  

“We felt Hamrlik was due a raise.”

by Kolzilla on Feb 27, 2012 9:15 PM EST up reply actions  

There’s quite a lot of straw-man in this post.

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by leacha on Feb 27, 2012 7:14 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

took the words right out of my mouth.

by Ginga on Feb 27, 2012 7:31 PM EST up reply actions  

How so?

Jaromir Jagr is now 40. That's 280 in Jagr years.

by Acer Jonesy's Laughker on Feb 27, 2012 7:33 PM EST up reply actions  

trading 4 unattracive commodoties for the cure-all 2C, whom nobody could name, bringing in a high priced winger for a price they couldn’t afford and pawning off an enigmatic Ruskie on some dunderhead genral manager,

as others have already explained, most of the gripes had nothing to do with the above, but with the failure to turn assets we will lose (wideman, knuble, maybe even vokoun) into something that can help down the road. mcphee said he wasn’t interested in prospects or picks, and that is a problem.

by Ginga on Feb 27, 2012 7:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, agree with this. Prospects and picks are something that help you get a second line center in the offseason or next year.

by kovachs on Feb 27, 2012 7:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Without counting, I can’t accurately say what “most” of the gripes had to do with, but assuming you are correct, it seems presumptuous for any of us to claim to know what was actually offered in return for the players you name. As far as McPhee saying he wasn’t interested in prospects or picks, that statement was issued at 5:00, I believe, well after the comments I am referring to were posted.

The “help down the road” sentiment is for those who have given up on this season, which i have not.

Jaromir Jagr is now 40. That's 280 in Jagr years.

by Acer Jonesy's Laughker on Feb 27, 2012 7:48 PM EST up reply actions  

You really think the Caps have a realistic shot at the cup this year? The only chance I see the Caps having is Vokoun getting super hot and Halaking us through a couple of rounds. and if that’s our only hope, I would much, much rather get some picks and prospects stockpiled for the future in an effort to build a team that didn’t rely on one guy getting hot and carrying them.

by Murshawursha on Feb 27, 2012 7:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Not Vokoun, as much as Neuvirth. He got really hot there in the 1st round, but we have to wait and see if that is the same case this year.

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by Penguin Hunter on Feb 27, 2012 7:58 PM EST up reply actions  

My original statement:

I, for one, would enjoy it if they just squeaked in and had to actually work to advance in the playoffs; it would be a good test of the "playoff hockey" mentality that is being trumpeted and a chance to separate the wheat from the chaff of players who are committed to that system.

Jaromir Jagr is now 40. That's 280 in Jagr years.

by Acer Jonesy's Laughker on Feb 27, 2012 7:58 PM EST up reply actions  

If that’s the case, what difference does it make if they squeak in with Wideman, Hamr, and Vokoun, or Erskine, a Hershey D, and Neuvirth? Especially if two of the former three will most likely not be back next year, and therefore their level of commitment to the system is mostly irrelevant.

by Murshawursha on Feb 27, 2012 8:04 PM EST up reply actions  

There are other players on the team.

Jaromir Jagr is now 40. That's 280 in Jagr years.

by Acer Jonesy's Laughker on Feb 27, 2012 8:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly. So what would it have hurt to sell guys who won’t be here next season for assets instead of letting them walk this summer for nothing?

by Murshawursha on Feb 27, 2012 8:12 PM EST up reply actions  

The current team. Taking GMGM at his word, no one he was getting back was going to be an improvement on the players already here.

by Joran on Feb 27, 2012 8:15 PM EST up reply actions  

But if the current team is going nowhere fast anyway, why not take guys or picks who might be an improvement in future years, or packaged over the summer for a guy who WOULD be an improvement on the players already here?

by Murshawursha on Feb 27, 2012 8:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Right, that’s a good argument.

The only answer I can think is that

a) The organization doesn’t think the current team is going nowhere fast.

b) The PR hit and from fan reaction from opening selling and missing the playoff was too big for the return they were going to get.

by Joran on Feb 27, 2012 8:21 PM EST up reply actions  

If they think A), I gotta question their sanity, though there’s always the possibility they know something we don’t know.

If it’s B), I can understand it from a business standpoint, but as a serious fan it would make me really sad that money and PR is more important to management than doing whatever it takes to make the team better. But at least it’s a plausible explanation.

by Murshawursha on Feb 27, 2012 8:24 PM EST up reply actions  

So getting into the play-offs and your goalie and special teams getting hot is our only chance?

That’s the same chance everybody has who gets in.

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by Goody2shoes on Feb 28, 2012 8:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Not really. Those things always help but there are teams that can and are confident in their ability to win games at Even Strength. Which team has done damage without playing good ES hockey? Montreal in ‘10. So is that what we’ve relegated our expectations to?

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by Rob Parker on Feb 28, 2012 9:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Earlier Dreger (I believe) tweeted that Howson rejected a “mammoth” offer from the Rangers. Apparently it was:

Columbus GM Scott Howson rejected what is believed a Rangers’ final offer of Dubinsky, 21-year-old defenseman Tim Erixon, 2011 first-rounder J.T. Miller, 2010 second-rounder Christian Thomas and a first-round selection in this June’s Entry Draft.

Link

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by Steckel Me Elmo on Feb 27, 2012 7:15 PM EST reply actions  

Holy shit. NYR was ready to give up the whole farm to get Nash and Howson turned it down? What a thundering idiot.

by Knee high to a duck on Feb 27, 2012 7:18 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s insanity all around.

"You do that, you go to the box, you know. Two minutes, by yourself, and you... feel shame" -Denis Lemieux

by leacha on Feb 27, 2012 7:21 PM EST up reply actions  

He’s the new GM Don Waddell.

Once you take the fisting element out, it's not romantic anymore.

by Steckel Me Elmo on Feb 27, 2012 7:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Right there they had offered a very good established NHL two-way player, likely the best D that franchise has ever seen, a quality prospect, a high reward prospect who lacks size, and a first round pick (which is basically a 2nd!) to add to another First and the worst ES/PK defenseman in the NHL.

Please, call me F&B.

by Rob Parker on Feb 27, 2012 7:54 PM EST up reply actions  

would you have done it for OV?

by mkyan978 on Feb 27, 2012 8:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Aside from Ted not allowing it to happen, I think it’d be the right call. It’s different for the Caps though, Erixon wouldn’t be the best D the team has ever seen, they don’t need to nuke a rebuild, they haven’t been living off AO like CBJ has been living off Nash.

Please, call me F&B.

by Rob Parker on Feb 27, 2012 8:06 PM EST up reply actions  

At first I thought you were saying Erixon was the best D the Rangers had ever had and I was extremely confused.

Warning: I started watching hockey in 2007. So, yeah.

by Laich Button on Feb 27, 2012 8:12 PM EST up reply actions  

No, he’d be the best D the Jackets have ever had. He’s gotta prove it but there’s no reason he shouldn’t be a very good player for a long time.

Please, call me F&B.

by Rob Parker on Feb 27, 2012 8:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Holy Shit! That was stupid.

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by Penguin Hunter on Feb 27, 2012 7:21 PM EST up reply actions  

And he turned it down…

Yet he was happy to bring in Jack Johnson.

by RCheli on Feb 27, 2012 7:31 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Somehow he does all these things, and then says that it’s important to the team and the fans that they build a Stanley Cup contender and he wants to do that.

Once you take the fisting element out, it's not romantic anymore.

by Steckel Me Elmo on Feb 27, 2012 7:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Something tells me that CBJ is in a deeper hole than everyone first thought.

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by Penguin Hunter on Feb 27, 2012 7:35 PM EST up reply actions  

In his defense, there’s only one NHL player in there. As much as prospects and picks look tantalizing, there is no guarantee of their being legitimate players.

I mean, I think it’s ridiculous him turning it down, but maybe that’s what he was thinking.

by RCheli on Feb 27, 2012 7:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I dunno, Dubinsky and Erixon look like good assets (Erixon less so, but still).

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by Penguin Hunter on Feb 27, 2012 7:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Getting NHL ready now players speaks towards a window that’s closer than it is. They have no D, no F, and no G. The only way to build for them is youth and to massively overpay in the FA market (which has definitely worked for them).

Of course, their real rebuild needs to start with firing Howson.

Once you take the fisting element out, it's not romantic anymore.

by Steckel Me Elmo on Feb 27, 2012 7:38 PM EST up reply actions  

A thousand times this.

Their rebuild is about 4-5 years from being ready to compete. They need to be loading up on high percentage picks and prospects, not roster players. (Unless they’re fairly young. Dubinksy is probably a good fit in this regard)

"You do that, you go to the box, you know. Two minutes, by yourself, and you... feel shame" -Denis Lemieux

by leacha on Feb 27, 2012 7:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Erixon is a touted prospect, Duby is an NHL player who can score some and take hard minutes, two first-round assets and a 2nd round asset? For a guy on a crippling contract? Oof.

by Knee high to a duck on Feb 27, 2012 7:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t think it’s crippling, but it’s certainly no bargain.

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by Rob Parker on Feb 27, 2012 7:55 PM EST up reply actions  

For a team that, in all probability, has an internal budget? I dunno, I could see crippling.

by Knee high to a duck on Feb 27, 2012 7:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Well they are obviously willing to spend more money. That’s why they had no problem chasing Wiz and Carter and now eating JJ’s contract. There’s likely an internal budget, but they don’t seem to be up against it. How much is Nash really overpaid? And he’s been their only marketable player since that time Steve Mason was good. Maybe on a team that needed to squeeze out the most from their cap space, but if Nash is 2 million overpaid, there’s 2 million of inefficient use on any team’s roster.

Please, call me F&B.

by Rob Parker on Feb 27, 2012 7:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m just trying to understand why he turned it down. Again, I would’ve taken it, but what do I know?

by RCheli on Feb 27, 2012 8:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Tim Erixon is an NHL player immediately if he’s in the CBJ organization and not the NYR organization. I also wonder if Howson was worried about Erixon after the CGY situation.

Please, call me F&B.

by Rob Parker on Feb 27, 2012 7:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Holy smokes. And he wouldn’t pull the trigger? After trading Carter for JJ and a pick? I feel slightly mollified about the job GM is doing.

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by fat_daddyo on Feb 27, 2012 9:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Got hit up high with a stick in a game, so I’ll keep this short. I think that the Caps honestly didn’t have any assets that were tantalizing enough to other teams to get them to give up a player, even packaged, but that would have hampered trade deals to other teams. GMGM, I think, did the best possible job with the cards he was dealt.

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by Penguin Hunter on Feb 27, 2012 7:16 PM EST reply actions  

From GMGM’s statement:

Everyone seemed to want our players, but they wanted to give us futures and prospects and I wasn’t interested in doing that.

Warning: I started watching hockey in 2007. So, yeah.

by Laich Button on Feb 27, 2012 7:17 PM EST reply actions  

My initial response, too, but I’m hoping that the “players” everyone wanted were people like Carlson, Alzner, Holtby, etc. and not our UFAs-to-be.

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by Laich Button on Feb 27, 2012 7:21 PM EST up reply actions  

And in that case I would agree.

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by Laich Button on Feb 27, 2012 7:22 PM EST up reply actions  

This can’t be overstated. It takes two to make a deal. The offers for all of those guys must not have been rich enough.

"You do that, you go to the box, you know. Two minutes, by yourself, and you... feel shame" -Denis Lemieux

by leacha on Feb 27, 2012 7:48 PM EST up reply actions  

God damned terrible.

Once you take the fisting element out, it's not romantic anymore.

by Steckel Me Elmo on Feb 27, 2012 7:26 PM EST up reply actions  

But if the players everyone wanted were the people we didn’t want to give up, is it really so terrible? My best guess is that everyone was calling asking for Carlson and Orlov and not Hamrlik and Carlson.

Still, you would have to think someone came calling about Wideman…

Warning: I started watching hockey in 2007. So, yeah.

by Laich Button on Feb 27, 2012 7:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Hamrlik and Wideman***

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by Laich Button on Feb 27, 2012 7:28 PM EST up reply actions  

And Vokoun. My guess is all of the above. He probably took calls over half the roster. Probably not Joel Ward, though.

Please, call me F&B.

by Rob Parker on Feb 27, 2012 7:58 PM EST up reply actions  

There is no way that GMGM didn’t get offers for Wideman and Vokoun. I just can’t believe that didn’t happen. Given the frenzy of deadline day I’d also bet he heard offers for every other UFA on the roster plus some.

I highly doubt that every GM was calling to offer him picks for his young Dmen.

Release the Mackan!

by Killer_Carlson on Feb 27, 2012 10:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Who knows, maybe Ted told him not to sell off. Either way, pretty discouraging.

by Kolzilla on Feb 27, 2012 9:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Trade six players, call up six players, change name to Washington Bears, hope no one notices?

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by Dimagus on Feb 27, 2012 7:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Umm…. I’m certainly interested in doing that. Like, a lot interested. A lot of alots.

by feeya7 on Feb 27, 2012 7:22 PM EST up reply actions  

There is no hurry to trade Hamr. I like Erskine being our #8 instead of being two injuries to our defensemen away of having to play sean collins again.

And seriously, Knuble at best would have given us a 4th maybe 3rd rounder. I would rather have Knubs on our team.

by mkyan978 on Feb 27, 2012 7:38 PM EST reply actions  

I would take Erskine over Hamrlik any day.

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by Penguin Hunter on Feb 27, 2012 7:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Really? Erskine has to be actively protected matchup-wise, Hamrlik does not.

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by red army line on Feb 27, 2012 7:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Crap, what did I say? i’m not feeling like myself today. Flip those two around.

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by Penguin Hunter on Feb 27, 2012 7:45 PM EST up reply actions  

…I’m not an Erskine hater or a Hamr lover but Hamr is a lot better than Erskine.

by mkyan978 on Feb 27, 2012 7:45 PM EST reply actions  

Maybe, Just Maybe

There wasn’t a first rounder available for Wideman.

There wasn’t a package of picks available for Hamrlik.

McPhee wasn’t willing to trade Knuble, leaving him with Eakin as his extra forward.

McPhee was burned last year having to play Sean Collins in the playoffs and wanted defensive insurance, just in case Green and someone else went back down.

He wanted to keep his young D and not give up on them for a rental.

He could find a taker for his #1 picks that was of value.

He realizes that the odds of winning the Cup are low this year, and, if you are going to make drastic changes, make them over the summer without a gun to your head.

The person to blame is Rene Bourque.

The person to blame is not today’s McPhee, but last summers’ McPhee.

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by STLSpidey on Feb 27, 2012 7:49 PM EST reply actions   4 recs

Honestly, I wanted to see how the Caps fare with both Green and Wideman healthy. Now I finally get a chance.

by Joran on Feb 27, 2012 7:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I had dreams about the two of them running point on the PP.

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by Drubert90 on Feb 27, 2012 8:36 PM EST up reply actions  

The person to blame is not today’s McPhee, but last summers’ McPhee.

Unfortunately you don’t have the former without the latter. It’s hard to levt real criticism against McPhee for today without knowing which players and trades he discussed. But he is still the creator of the team that put them in this position, and therefore shoulders much of the blame.

Once you take the fisting element out, it's not romantic anymore.

by Steckel Me Elmo on Feb 27, 2012 7:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Can’t really have forseen the decline of Carlson’s play this year too

by mkyan978 on Feb 27, 2012 7:59 PM EST up reply actions  

There wasn’t a first rounder available for Wideman.

Looking at the other deals and the historical evidence of Dmen returns at the deadline, do you really believe that?

Release the Mackan!

by Killer_Carlson on Feb 27, 2012 10:18 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

I could believe it. Wideman’s having a good year but he is who he is at this point in his career (and was had for a 3rd last year). Probably not more than a 5-6 D on a contender but good on the PP. I could easily see a 2nd and decent prospect but GMs hate to give up those 1st rounders.

by Dirk Dangler on Feb 27, 2012 10:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Quincey brought back a 1st round pick. Gaustad brought back a 1st round pick. Gill brought back a 2nd round pick and two prospects. You think any of those guys are more valuable than Wideman?

Release the Mackan!

by Killer_Carlson on Feb 28, 2012 1:03 AM EST up reply actions  

The person to blame is not today’s McPhee, but last summers’ McPhee.

This is applicable to many of the Caps’ problems

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by Big Boutros on Feb 28, 2012 12:57 AM EST up reply actions  

I think this team would actually be pretty good now if Backstrom were healthy. We would definitely have won several extra games. Don’t you guys remember when we used to get outshot 20-40 consistently? Now we are outshooting teams without our #1 center and basically a decent #2C.

by mkyan978 on Feb 27, 2012 7:53 PM EST reply actions  

Pretty sure thats the general consensus.

by RossingtonCollins on Feb 27, 2012 7:54 PM EST up reply actions  

I would hesitate to call him so, but he has filled the role at least adequately.

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by Penguin Hunter on Feb 27, 2012 7:55 PM EST up reply actions  

2C, in Perrault? The outshooting is fine, and so is Perrault and his tooth, but that’s no legitimate 2C.

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by Penguin Hunter on Feb 27, 2012 7:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Heh I meant no decent 2C

by mkyan978 on Feb 27, 2012 7:55 PM EST up reply actions  

In that case, disregard, sir.

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-Ilya Bryzgalov-

by Penguin Hunter on Feb 27, 2012 7:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Well that’s simply a matter of Dale Hunter’s system clicking into place.

Having your 1C certainly helps, but we have no idea if Hunter’s system will be successful in the playoffs to begin with. That is my own personal reason for why I think it’s good GMGM didn’t kill the team’s playoff chances for the season by trading away players.

Get into the playoffs and then see what happens.

I personally am very curious as to how Dale Hunter will handle the NHL playoffs. I doubt it will be an instant success, but I’d feel a lot more comfortable over the summer knowing I at least saw a bit of what Hunter has to offer than to think I didn’t just so we could get a couple prospects that sit in Hershey.

by Release The Mackan! on Feb 27, 2012 8:03 PM EST up reply actions  

From what I’ve seen, calm is good.

"It's so humangous big."
-Ilya Bryzgalov-

by Penguin Hunter on Feb 27, 2012 8:05 PM EST up reply actions  

The Knuble one is probably right, as are the Hamrlik package and the Collins burn. Hard to believe the first one, though.

"It's so humangous big."
-Ilya Bryzgalov-

by Penguin Hunter on Feb 27, 2012 7:53 PM EST reply actions  

Trading Wideman would be the same as giving up on the season though. Besides maybe he is interested in resigning him

by mkyan978 on Feb 27, 2012 7:54 PM EST up reply actions  

but are we going to have the money available to do so is the big question.

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by Drubert90 on Feb 27, 2012 8:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Totally irony would be Caps beating out Jets and Leafs for #8 and playing Rangers again in playoffs and winning again.

by mkyan978 on Feb 27, 2012 8:09 PM EST reply actions  

Well now they’re not going to win.

by Release The Mackan! on Feb 27, 2012 8:10 PM EST up reply actions  

But what if the Rags win?

"It's so humangous big."
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by Penguin Hunter on Feb 27, 2012 8:10 PM EST up reply actions  

From Le Breun:

Similarly, kudos to Washington Capitals GM George McPhee. I know what you’re saying, why exactly? Because he took a knee. That’s why. This just isn’t their year. One big trade isn’t going to put the Caps over the top and make them contenders. One big trade isn’t going to clear star center Nicklas Backstrom of his concussion symptoms. McPhee did the hardest thing of all, resist the short-term fix. That takes guts.

Sure, McPhee took calls on veteran blueliner Roman Hamrlik, but couldn’t find the right fit. He wanted a young forward in return. The teams that were interested in Hamrlik couldn’t afford him that. He wasn’t interested in just getting futures for Hamrlik because he didn’t want to just get rid of a salary. He was trying to make a hockey deal, player for player. He toed the line of a team that hasn’t given up on the season because the playoffs are a possibility, and that of a team that wasn’t a move or two away from winning the Cup.

In other words, McPhee made the right call to stay quiet.

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by CapsFan2020 on Feb 27, 2012 8:10 PM EST reply actions  

Or maybe it was the best choice.

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by Penguin Hunter on Feb 27, 2012 8:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I maintain that while it was a good idea not to buy, the best choice would have been to sell certain guys for futures rather than waiting on a “hockey deal.”

by Murshawursha on Feb 27, 2012 8:14 PM EST up reply actions   3 recs

if he actually decided that this “isn’t the year” then it makes no sense to refuse to trade for picks/prospects. he contradicts his own analysis.

by Ginga on Feb 27, 2012 8:14 PM EST up reply actions  

This all about the elusive “value.” You think value would in picks/prospects. Fine. Maybe McPhee doesn’t.

Either way, you have no idea what was offered. You just know that he wanted a player.

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by STLSpidey on Feb 27, 2012 8:15 PM EST up reply actions  

And that is the problem. He was only going to make the trade if it helped this year. The problem is this year isn’t going to be the year. They will be lucky to make the playoffs and Hammer will be an even bigger dead weight next year.

by icehammer97 on Feb 27, 2012 8:18 PM EST up reply actions  

But why make the trade now with a gun to his head of 3pm ET. Might as well let the season play out and deal with it over the summer.

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by STLSpidey on Feb 27, 2012 8:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, for example, someone like Harmlik, an aging veteran, might be more coveted by a team making a playoff run/looking for some veteran presence/leadership/stability/whatever now than he will be in the summer.

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by Laich Button on Feb 27, 2012 8:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Then the asking price would have been met, no?

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by Bald Pollack on Feb 27, 2012 8:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, not necessarily. We don’t know what GMGM was looking for. For all we know he could have gotten offered a 4th round pick and responded with a “F—- off” and a lot of us would have done the same thing. That doesn’t mean that Hamrlik, hypothetically, wouldn’t be worth even less in the summer.

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by Laich Button on Feb 27, 2012 8:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Or maybe Carlson’s locked up longer term, Green’s QO’d and Hamrlik plays well to the point where we’re all back here next year, but he’s got an expiring contract instead. Nobody knows really. But moving for moving’s sake when you’re in the position the team is (if it’s not bringing back someone who can help, right now) might be pulling the rip cord.

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by Bald Pollack on Feb 27, 2012 8:38 PM EST up reply actions  

some veteran presence/leadership/stability/whatever

If he had this, don’t you think he’d be playing for the Caps?

What kind of value can you get for a guy who can’t crack the Caps’ top-six D?

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by STLSpidey on Feb 27, 2012 8:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with you, I was just trying to come up with a reason to make a deal now than in the summer. I think there would be some small amount of value tacked on to someone like Harmlik now, but how much/whether it would be worth trading away is anybody’s guess. We don’t know what was offered for anybody.

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by Laich Button on Feb 27, 2012 8:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Except we can’t trade Wideman or Vokoun once their contracts expire this summer.

Unless you’re speaking only in reference to Hamrlik, in which case I can buy that, though I dunno if I agree with it.

by Murshawursha on Feb 27, 2012 8:26 PM EST up reply actions  

We can’t trade them, but we can trade their negotiating rights. Not nearly as much value there, but it is something.

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by timmyv38 on Feb 27, 2012 10:18 PM EST up reply actions  

This all about the elusive "value." You think value would in picks/prospects. Fine. Maybe McPhee doesn’t.

getting prospects/picks for assets that are going to walk for nothing (wideman, especially) is getting value. this isn’t debatable or mere opinion.

Either way, you have no idea what was offered. You just know that he wanted a player.

obviously i don’t know what was offered, but i can make an educated guess based on what other teams paid for assets.

by Ginga on Feb 27, 2012 8:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Sure it’s debatable. Is getting picks for Wideman more valuable than having him on the team and possibly making the playoffs this year? If the value of a trade is a net loss, no, you’re not getting value.

by helo29 on Feb 27, 2012 9:26 PM EST up reply actions  

In terms of numbers, a mid-first is worth around $2-3 million on average (thanks to savings from ELCs and RFA contracts). Will Wideman provide that much value this year? Well, if he’s the difference between the playoffs and no playoffs (I don’t think this is the case, by the way), then you have that $2-3 million from playoff home games.

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by red army line on Feb 27, 2012 10:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Right, and the equation is even more complicated than that. How much impact will making the playoffs have in season ticket renewals? How much will making the playoffs improve confidence for next year? How much is it worth to get into the playoffs on the small chance you make a huge run?

All of these factors (and all the ones I’m not including), are factors in the equation of value. Just because we can’t put specific numbers on some of these things doesn’t mean we get to plug in zeros when we do the math.

by helo29 on Feb 27, 2012 11:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Just because “this isn’t the year,” doesn’t mean that you should kick players off the cliff. The Caps, at their core, aren’t a horrible team.

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by Penguin Hunter on Feb 27, 2012 8:16 PM EST up reply actions  

True. Personally, I don’t consider Wideman, Vokoun, and Hamrlik part of the core of this team, since two of them are gone next summer.

by Murshawursha on Feb 27, 2012 8:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I actually meant core not in the sense of “8, 19, 52, etc,” but the team as a whole.

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by Penguin Hunter on Feb 27, 2012 8:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, based on their play up until the last two games, you could have fooled me. Plus, to me “not a horrible team” is still a pretty far cry from “cup contenders.” But I can agree to disagree here.

by Murshawursha on Feb 27, 2012 8:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Gah, crap. English is stupid. Core as in each player. At their cores, each player is not horrible. It just depends how well they can communicate and form empathy with each other.

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by Penguin Hunter on Feb 27, 2012 8:23 PM EST up reply actions  

So you think the players look better as individuals than the sum of their parts are performing? I can’t argue with that, as good as the Caps looked on paper at the beginning of the year.

by Murshawursha on Feb 27, 2012 8:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Sort of. But occasionally mediocre teams that make the playoffs can get hot and make a good run. He doesn’t want to totally foreclose the possibility of doing well in the playoffs with some of the players that are here. He also doesn’t want to bet the farm on winning big this year either.

by discuit on Feb 27, 2012 8:17 PM EST up reply actions  

What’s so stupid?

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by STLSpidey on Feb 27, 2012 8:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I still feel like he should have traded Harmlik and Knuble for draft picks. I mean he has a young forward in HER right now, Eakin that can can call up if he wants to. Better to take the picks than nothing at all but whatever.

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by CapsFan2020 on Feb 27, 2012 8:17 PM EST up reply actions  

For Knuble, perhaps. For Hamr, there is nothing preventing a trade over the summer time. He’s not walking.

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by STLSpidey on Feb 27, 2012 8:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Good point. I guess they can always trade him this summer and I’m not sure how much he would have gotten for Knuble, a 6th rd pick maybe? Those don’t have a lot of value so maybe he though it was best to keep him for the remainder of the season instead.

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by CapsFan2020 on Feb 27, 2012 8:31 PM EST up reply actions  

My biggest problem is that we now have 5 left handed D-men signed for next year and the bottom 3 have a combined cap hit of 7.75M next year. That is a lot of money for a bottom pair Dman and the press box. GMGM has given out bad contact after bad contract and now we are going to be a in horrible cap position next year because he did nothing today to help when he could have. Getting rid of either Hammer or Schultz for something that could actually help us at some point even if it was just a pick or two that we could possibly use in a package to get something we could actually use next year would be good and getting rid of the excess salary is a bonus as well.

I like that that we didn’t do something stupid and think we were just a Roy or something away this year but he is going to get nothing for Wideman and is going to be stuck with extra players and no place to play them next year. I am not saying we should have gone full sell mode but you have an unset player (or more) who are not happy in the locker room and it is only a matter of time until they start to bring down the room. No matter how professional they are.

by icehammer97 on Feb 27, 2012 8:14 PM EST reply actions  

There seems to be a lot of certainty that this year isn’t “the year”. But last season there was a plethora of evidence that it might not be “the year” either. The flaws in last year’s team might seem smaller than this year’s, but they were no less clear and concerning.

Last year many people were pushing for mortgaging some of the future for the playoff push. This year many people are adamant that we should be scrapping this season and looking towards next (or in the case of acquiring picks, several seasons from now).

If NB returns, can anyone say this team has a substantially worse chance than we did last year to win the cup?

The possible pivot on that is that last year we as a fan-base didn’t realize how fundamentally flawed the team was. Now we do realize it, and the logical conclusion is that the team needs to be blown up. Personally, I don’t buy that, but even if it’s true, it’s hard to imagine that GMGM or Ted will buy it before we’ve missed the playoffs and/or imploded.

by helo29 on Feb 27, 2012 8:56 PM EST reply actions  

If NB returns, can anyone say this team has a substantially worse chance than we did last year to win the cup?

Well, looking at the season as a whole, I think so. They’re just plain worse in terms of generating and limiting chances at ES and on at least one special teams unit. I think they’ve been better in the last month, but that may just be small sample.

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by red army line on Feb 27, 2012 9:06 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Certainly their percentages are down across the board. But from a talent standpoint are they any worse of a team?

The playoffs are defined by small sample sizes – lucky bounces, bad calls, etc. The large sample sizes of the Caps performances over the past three seasons (great regular seasons), haven’t meant squat in the playoffs themselves. That ditching of large sample sizes is just as legitimate the other way around.

by helo29 on Feb 27, 2012 9:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Well…you can’t isolate the coach and the roster completely. Certainly, having better percentages buys you more leeway in the playoffs—that’s how Lundqvist can outplay the Caps’ goalies twice in the playoffs and lose both times. That’s how Halak can have one of the best back-to-back playoff series performances in NHL history and still barely win each series. Right now, seems like the team can’t win without great goaltending, and even if they do get great goaltending, they may not win. In the playoffs, that means Vokoun/Neuvirth have basically no room for error. Sounds like a Montreal situation to me, and I don’t think we’ll be seeing another Montreal for a long time.

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by red army line on Feb 27, 2012 10:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Speaking about right now, you’re absolutely correct, and your examples are right on. But again, how does this team change if NB comes back healthy? How much better will this team be at getting the puck out of the d-zone when Green is back in the swing of things? Does the recent trend in shots and scoring chances continue?

Look, I’m not deluding myself about this teams chances. But I guess I find the notion of giving up on a team that’s 1 point out of a playoff spot (with 3 games in hand), somewhat off-base.

by helo29 on Feb 27, 2012 11:44 PM EST up reply actions  

There seems to be a lot of certainty that this year isn’t "the year". But last season there was a plethora of evidence that it might not be "the year" either. The flaws in last year’s team might seem smaller than this year’s, but they were no less clear and concerning.

I was | | <—- this close to publishing a FanPost saying to blow everything up before they got hot last year. Stupid Caps made me believe only to blow up in the ugliest way imaginable. This year I think it’s a no-brainer, but, then again they’ll probably get 32 points the rest of the way, win a playoff round in 5 to get everyone in a tizzy — Mean Lars comes back — then out in 4 ugly games to PIT or PHI to twist the knife.

by meep_42 on Feb 28, 2012 1:45 AM EST up reply actions  

If it were Pitt or Philly, they would not lose in 4 ugly games. No, they’d drag it out to 7 games and then either lose the 7th in A) a very ugly loss or B) the most heart-breaking loss imaginable. But in their current scenario, if they make the playoffs, likely as either a 3rd seed or a 7th/8th seed, getting Philly/Pitt as their second round opponent is unlikely.

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by CapsFan75 on Feb 28, 2012 7:15 AM EST up reply actions  

GMGM is a dream crusher.

Soon the Championship with be ours, all ours!

by kingzman264 on Feb 27, 2012 9:18 PM EST reply actions  

…unless you’re a 3rd pair D-man or 4th liner that has a year left on his contract and wants an extension and a raise…

by meep_42 on Feb 28, 2012 1:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Especially a D-man who just had gotten a horrific eye injury in the last playoff series

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by CapsFan75 on Feb 28, 2012 7:16 AM EST up reply actions  

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