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Though they currently sit on the outside-looking in with regards to both the Eastern Conference and Southeast Division playoff races, it's unlikely that the Washington Capitals are going to be big-time sellers prior to Monday's trade deadline (even if they continue to struggle between now, and then and even if it's what many think would be best for the team in the long-run).
But if the Caps were to look to move some of their expiring contracts, what could they expect in return? After the jump, we'll take a look at the team's pending unrestricted free agents and sift through the past couple of years of transactions leading up to the trade deadline to find some similar players and get a ballpark feel for what these assets could fetch in return.
Alex Semin, were he available, would clearly be one of the Caps' more valuable trade assets, even if he'll never bring back equal talent. He's undeniably a top-six player and a guy who can change the course of the game single-handedly. Those kind of players aren't available often, and with deadline prices the Caps could conceivably get 85 cents on the dollar for Semin. Based on the comparable players listed above, it looks like Semin should bring back two first round assets (whether they be first round picks or blue-chip prospects).
Dustin Penner is the only player on that list that could claim anything close to Semin's upside, and that's being generous. His physical skill set and large frame make him a player that seemingly should be able to take over games. It hasn't come together like that since he signed his large offer sheet with Edmonton following the Anaheim Ducks Cup run. His inconsistent reputation makes him a particularly obvious comparison for Semin. Unlike Semin, Penner has never been a guy you could trust to carry a line. He had 63 point season in 2009-10, but hasn't cracked 50 other than that year. Semin has hit 50 points 4 times in the last 5 years (including 70 twice and 80 once). Based on the straight talent comparison, Semin should get significantly more than Penner. The wild card is the contract situation. Penner had another year left on his deal, so the Kings may have thought they were getting more than just rental value. Of course, Penner's contract has been questioned consistently since the ink hit paper. If you consider his contract to be a bad one, then the extra year would be something holding the value down - a team that doesn't want to commit future dollars would prefer an expiring contract, like Semin has. That should expand the pool of suitors and potentially create a bidding war.
Kris Versteeg doesn't have the same baggage as Penner, and he plays a responsible defensive game, but his offensive contribution is simply not in the same class as Semin's. Versteeg may potentially fill more roles (though Semin is an underrated defensive player and penalty killer in his own right), but Semin will fill the nets. If a team needs an offensive difference maker, Semin should bring more value than Versteeg. Of course, both Penner and Versteeg have Cup rings, and that factor is routinely highly valued at the deadline.
Olli Jokinen is another highly talented, and highly questioned, top-six player. He's the only player on this list with an offensive resume that can match up with Semin's (and a center), but at the time of the trade he had never even dressed for a playoff game. Even with his discounted value, Jokinen brought in roughly two first round assets (though your mileage may vary on what Lombardi and Prust are worth).
Finally Nik Antropov is on this list because he's another top-six forward who has an obscene amount of talent, and has never quite lived up to it. His "2nd and a conditional pick" wouldn't inspire too much joy if that were the return for Semin. There's no reason Semin should bring this little back, and we doubt George McPhee would ever consider that return, but if you want a worst case scenario, there it is.
The recent saga of Mike Knuble and the Healthy Scratches has been thoroughly covered. Without re-hashing the gory details, it's safe to say that Knuble could be available if the Caps decided to stockpile assets and reload for next season. He's not playing at the same level Bill Guerin was when he was traded to the Penguins, but his (Cup-winning!) experience and ability to battle would be worth something to a team looking to add some secondary scoring depth for the stretch run. A 5th round pick or maybe a little higher doesn't seem like an unreasonable return.
While the box scores may not show it, Jeff Halpern has quietly been having a solid season for the Caps. He's not going to provide much offense, but defensively responsible players who can take key faceoffs have an important role on any team that wants to contend for the Cup. Halpern may not be quite as stout as Chris Kelly is defensively, but he's no slouch (and who doesn't look better in Boston's system?). Considering two years ago Halpern brought back more than 2nd round value, he should still be in that ballpark. In this market, it's fair to expect 2nd round value (or close to it) in return.
Defensemen that can create offense are an incredibly valuable asset these days, and Dennis Wideman is in the midst of an All Star, and potentially career, season. Tomas Kaberle is the only guy on the list who can have the same offensive impact as Wideman, though Wideman is clearly the better goal scorer. Wideman also has the more impressive (though more limited) playoff success. Even if Wideman wouldn't bring back quite as much as Kaberle, he'd still bring back two first round assets.
Grebeshkov has never scored 10 goals. In any professional league. He has one 30 point season in the NHL, Wideman has five-straight. It's generous to Grebeshkov to even include him in this list.
Leopold's a bit better, with three-straight 20-point seasons, but he's also not a guy who is going to set the market for Wideman.
Great goalies don't move very often at the deadline, so it's impossible to find a true comparison for Vokoun. Cristobal Huet was the last starting goalie to move at the deadline, and he had been splitting time with (and was ultimately forced out of town by) Carey Price. Huet didn't have nearly the same pedigree as Vokoun has, and his stats weren't eye popping (or as good as Vokoun's currently are) so there's no reason to think his value was inflated. While Huet made the George McPhee look good for scooping him up, playing himself into an all expenses paid trip to Switzerland, it's hard to find a strong connection between what Huet brought back and what Vokoun would bring. Without a robust market for goaltenders, we'll look at the list above and conclude that truly impact players are worth two first round assets. Vokoun most assuredly is still an impact player.
It's worth noting that Mike Green, John Carlson, Mathieu Perreault and Jay Beagle will all be restricted free agents this summer (barring contract extensions prior to their free agency), and there are a host of minor league RFAs and UFAs that the Caps could also put in play. But for the sake of this exercise, the focus is on the players most likely to be dealt if the Caps decide to sell. Of course, if they decide to buy... hardly anyone's off limits.
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Rather than just being buyers or sellers I would hope the team does some of both. Sell some assets that won’t be here next year (Wideman, et al) and buy some assets to help plug the godawful holes down the middle of the lineup.
By following this strategery you don’t give up on the season but you also help the team going forward. This is certainly not an all-in year.
Agreed, If wides can fetch decent return, I think GMGM should do it. Plus we have Dima, Green, Carlson and hamr? as the puck moving Dmen we want.
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To take it further, you move Knuble, Wideman, and Vokoun, or at least see what you can get for them. Ride Neuvy and Holtby the rest of the way and hope one of them gets hot.
See if you can get a legit second line center back for this year and next and hope you can get hot the rest of the way. Team needs a legit center more than they need wireman and knuble.
I don’t consider acquiring a 2C to be a “buy” or a “sell” move. It’s just addressing a persistent need regardless of whether they are trying to amp up for a playoff run or stockpile for next year. They need to get a 2C, and if that ends up being available now then good. But I doubt a deadline market is the time to really go after one of those caliber players.
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Carter, and maybe Stastny seem to be the only ones that might be available.
Well, you could always trade for Gomez.
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If by selling some assets now (and hurting your prospects for this year) makes it easier to get a 2C then they need to do that above everything else.
At what point do we become worried that the Caps may actually need a 1C? I’m not encouraged by Nicky’s progress, although ultimately I hope the Caps would play it safe and keep him out the rest of the season regardless.
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The great teams in this league all have 1A and 1B centers – this is why I’ve been pimping hard for Carter or Stastny or someone like them.
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Absolutely agree with the need for 1A and 1B centers. Hopefully there is room for one more on the wagon.
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There is if either Semin is shipped out or Backstrom is LTIRed.
by Gin and Tonic on Feb 22, 2012 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
I mention further down, if I’m GMGM and I’m interested in more than a tweak/deadline deal playoff bump – which is kind of the angle of the article – If I’m looking to get that longer term right-fit 2C puzzle piece, then I may as well be looking to make a 1B deal as well.
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Absolutely agree. One can easily overreact with the notion that the team needs to be blown up, but when yr missing, for most of the year, your top offensive D-man (and PP point) and top center, the potential for struggle is great. Since there are, however, more buyers than sellers, the potential for getting a good return is enhanced right now and it might make lots of sense to cash in where it’s smart.
If I were GMGM, I’d definitely see what the above-referenced players will draw and make decisions from there. Wideman, to me, is the most marketable asset we have and would make the most sense in shipping out regardless of where we stand on Monday. In the meantime, we keep an eye on the market for potential help, especially at center — although getting a #1 center seems a bit of a stretch to me; we might have to be happy with a solid, experienced #2/3 like Ott or Ribeiro, who could still provide offense, grit, and leadership.
Did you just use “Ribeiro” in the same sentence as “grit and leadership” without a negative qualifier?
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Yeah — had to pause first, but perhaps that describes those qualities’ stunning lack on the team right now. I like Ribeiro — it seems whenever I watch Dallas, which isn’t terribly often, he’s making things happen in the offensive end.
My primary point was in support of the notion that we ought to take very seriously a prime sellers’ market without dismantling the team’s core.
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by J.P. on Feb 22, 2012 10:19 AM EST up reply actions 7 recs
I see what you did there and am incredibly impressed.
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Indeed I am. Vokoun has made some great saves, but he’s slow, and how many more goals do we need to see go between his legs because he can’t get his pads down?
Neuvy’s had a few rough games this season, but he’s proven he’s got the talent, he’s got the speed, and he’s got the agility needed. Let him get in the net and catch his groove, have a little faith from the coaches, and the caps would be doing much better.
by Phil Collins on Feb 22, 2012 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
Neuvy is really succeeding against all odds. I’m mean, if you really think this trade should work, then something is in the air tonight. Perhaps Vokoun is asking for the Cats or Preds to take him home tonight? Who knows? For Neuvy, trading Vokoun would certainly be another day in paradise. For the Caps, however, it would just one more night over the course of the season. At the end of the day, value is in your eyes, not mine.
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by STLSpidey on Feb 22, 2012 10:29 AM EST up reply actions 7 recs
If they trade a goalie, they might look to Columbus, though I’d say there’s no Jacket required in making such a move.
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by J.P. on Feb 22, 2012 10:31 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
not so fast. My momma always said ‘you can’t hurry trades…’
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by Alz in the family on Feb 22, 2012 10:37 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
You really need to hear both sides of the story. Neuvy had his chance and didn’t shine, we can’t turn back the years. We fly so close to success but they just cannt find their way. The only hope is a goalie like Vokoun or better … We wait and we wonder.
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by BetterOffWith28 on Feb 22, 2012 11:32 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I’ll take “slow with a .920 SV%” over just about anything.
And Neuvy hasn’t proven much of anything at all (and to your “catch his groove” point, this).
But more to the point of this post, if the Caps crap out over the next three games, I’d absolutely look to move Vokoun and see what they’ve got in Neuvy and Holtby the rest of the way.
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But do you see Vokoun wanting to sign up for more of this next year? And what kind of salary would he want?
It isn’t even anger-inducing. It does not seem to be worth that kind of emotional investment. It might not even be disappointing any more. It is expected.
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I can’t see that, right now, his season is going the way he wanted it to go. And with Neuvirth and Holtby, if he does sign, does McPhee even offer anything more than another 1-year deal?
I see Vokes getting a 2-3 year deal somewhere else, therefore I recommend moving him since he’s a real asset with that salary cap hit.
It isn’t even anger-inducing. It does not seem to be worth that kind of emotional investment. It might not even be disappointing any more. It is expected.
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by macvechkin on Feb 22, 2012 12:28 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If GMGM is going to keep Neuvy and Holtby, then Vokes needs to walk, because keeping him around is probably going to hurt their development more than in helps. However, if he wants to bank on Vokoun have 3-5 elite seasons left in him, perhaps we lock Vokoun up and trade Neuvy and Holtby.
Course fitting him under the cap would become an issue at t hat point. Damned Ovechkin contract.
by Murshawursha on Feb 22, 2012 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t see him wanting to come back at terms that make sense for the Caps.
But I also think that if he runs off three wins here before Monday, it’s impossible to trade him. You can always do the June 30th “trade rights for a pick” move if it comes to that.
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Hopefully water will seek it’s own level, because getting possibly a 2 or 3 for Vokes now is more enjoyable than a 6 in one of those rights deals.
It isn’t even anger-inducing. It does not seem to be worth that kind of emotional investment. It might not even be disappointing any more. It is expected.
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I’d think you’d get more in each scenario.
Vokoun’s got a .920 SV% on a crap team and has been playing at a much higher level than that for a long while. He’s gotta be worth a good asset for a team in need.
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Moving Vokoun may be the right move, but you’re in a land of confusion if you think his ability is lacking or is the reason for the Caps’ trouble. Now I can’t dance, but Jesus knows me and he knows I’m right.
by Gin and Tonic on Feb 22, 2012 11:31 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Weird… both goals go right through his legs or under his pads. No one pointed out that flaw before
by Phil Collins on Feb 22, 2012 8:03 PM EST up reply actions
Rec’d… it’s in the air tonight…
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Feb 22, 2012 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
This is brilliant stuff. I certainly think that Wideman and Semin are toward the high end of their comparables, while Knuble might be on the lower side. Vokoun, as you note, is a real wild card. He could either be worth a first plus a prospect, or he could only be worth a second or so, depending on the market.
If McPhee decides to sell, I’ve got to imagine that Chicago would have serious interest in Vokoun and/or Schultz.
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I’d think Burkie would love to talk to his old pal George about Vokoun.
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I just hope McPhee and Ted can come to some agreement about selling rather than acquiring.
I really fear that McPhee is going to make moves out of a desperate hope to hold onto his job by making the playoffs.
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by D'ohboy on Feb 22, 2012 10:37 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Human nature says that he would.
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It would be a tacit admission that most of his offseason (and perhaps his major in-season) moves were failures.
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George doesn’t strike me as the type that would readily admit his failures.
by Dirk Dangler on Feb 22, 2012 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
He did dismantle the Jagrcaps. He did banish Nylander. He made no attempt to re-sign Corvo.
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See, I think a lot of that was still Jagr. Inmate running the asylum because Ted gave the inmate $77 mil.
I always looked at GMGM as a puppet in that sense. So I don’t think he would think of that team as “his.” He didn’t build it the way he wanted to, so the rebuild was the first thing that he did that he could call his own, or something.
Depends. He’s clearly re-tooled this team again and again, which is at least a tacit admission that he didn’t have the right formula before.
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Fair enough but this just feels different to me. This team has fallen so hard, so fast. Selling now is more of an admission that the plan really went off course versus just a player mistake here and there. It would be much easier to just stay the course and blame it on injuries and a couple of down performances.
by Dirk Dangler on Feb 22, 2012 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I definitely agree – they haven’t sold before (since the firesale), they’ve let guys go and brought other ones in. Selling now would clearly be recognizing the need to do something between reloading and rebuilding… retooling, perhaps.
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Selling now would clearly be recognizing the need to do something between reloading and rebuilding… retooling, perhaps.
Is the fact that this team needs retooling really any eye opener to anyone that’s been following this season?
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Maybe?
Put another way, is there any reason this team should need more retooling than it has in years past (which is to say letting some guys walk and bringing others in over the summer)?
The primary actors are the same. The problems are largely the same. The difference has been in the game-planning and/or actual results, no?
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Put another way, is there any reason this team should need more retooling than it has in years past (which is to say letting some guys walk and bringing others in over the summer)?
Yes. Backstrom’s injury and uncertain future means the Caps have to stop messing around and address the 2C (or 1bC?) issue that’s been dogging this team for years. I think addressing this classifies as more as a little summer roster tweak.
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But I mean that problem – depth down the middle – has persisted for five years and has gone unaddressed. They’ve needed to retool there and haven’t.
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So I guess the question becomes do you think they can ignore it any longer?
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To me, the Backstrom injury is the clearest sign yet that they cannot continue to ignore it (if they could up ’til now).
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I realize I’m not Ted and can’t pretend to know what goes on in his head, but if it were me, I would be way more inclined to fire McPhee if he mortgages the future to try to load up for a playoff run that is ultimately doomed from the get-go. If he sells and re-tools, that says to me he’s still doing what’s best for the team rather than what’s best for him personally, and therefore I’d keep him.
by Murshawursha on Feb 22, 2012 11:22 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
It’s so hard to get a read right now, but I have a hard time seeing them as sellers right now given the proximity they are to the playoffs and the organization’s sensitivity to how it’s perceived.
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It’s not just the ticket prices, but the “we’ll make the playoffs for 10-15 years,” Damien Cox’s trolling, the Ovechkin bashing… all of it.
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I think the only way he gets away with it (“he” being either GMGM in the eyes of Ted, or Ted in the eyes of the fans, your choice) is if he sells some assets and buys (not rents) other, more important ones.
Say he sends Wideman out for a 1st+ and then goes out and gets someone like Vermette (trying to keep it realistic). Can Ted spin it? It certainly helps more next year, I’d imagine, but I’d argue it’s not a bad idea for this year too. Yeah, you might pay more for Vermette now than you would over the summer, but you couple that with an increased chance of making the playoffs (assuming you get that from this tradeoff).
If Vermette is the return for a 1st+Wideman, I’d be leading the mob carry the torches and pitchforks outside McPhee’s house.
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I didn’t say he’d flip the first for Vermette. Just that he’d bring him in. The key there is freeing up the cap space (without forcing Backstrom out for the season).
Either way, I’m just not sold on Vermette. The guy hasn’t been the answer at #2C for two different teams now.
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I see him as a 2/3 swingman that can ease the load on MoJo but not be “the answer.” But I won’t delude myself into thinking we have a shot at a guy like Carter.
It’ll be Vermette. If not him, Frolik, or another equally underwhelming solution that’s not really a solution.
Why do we not have a shot at a guy like Carter? It’s not like we have two first-rounders and a number of good, young players with NHL experience that a rebuilding team like Columbus would be interested in…
by Murshawursha on Feb 22, 2012 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
Because it’s a much bigger move than GMGM seems to like making. And I figure other teams will offer better NHL assets than GMGM will.
But mostly because I’m a Caps fan and know to expect disappointment.
by brs03 on Feb 22, 2012 11:25 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Gotcha, I can agree that it does seem to be a much bigger splash than George is comfortable making, so I can agree that maybe we won’t go after him. But I think if George decided he wanted to, we have the assets to make that deal happen (though we’d probably have to part with a first, an Orlov or a MoJo, and probably an Eakin, but I’d be okay with that for a guy like Carter).
by Murshawursha on Feb 22, 2012 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 22, 2012 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
Somehow I’m not seeing McElhinney as the solution to all of Columbus’ goaltending-related woes…
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 22, 2012 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
He’s gotta be a little better than 40 goals below replacement…right?
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by red army line on Feb 22, 2012 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
Ye olde expiring contract.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 22, 2012 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
that’s team #4 for McElhinney is just about a year, correct?
BTW, still have fond memories of McElhinney’s role in Goals-A-Palooza 2011. And remain deeply amused that his .774 sv% was the highest of the three goalies that played that night.
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Sorry, misread your comment.
Still, I wouldn’t trade either Wideman or a 1st for Vermette.
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Brooks Laich Handsome Corollary applies with that too.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 22, 2012 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
I’d do it for less. He’s not a 2C, but he would improve team speed.
by Gin and Tonic on Feb 22, 2012 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
If GMGM is more worried about how others perceive how he’s doing his job or making moves to try and save his job than making tough choices that ultimately put the team in a better position to succeed, then he shouldn’t have the job anyway.
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The thing is, who does he think he’s fooling? I’m pretty sure everyone would see right through it if they made some small trades and then touted how the Caps are primed for a Cup run.
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Doubt he’d sell it so hard. More like we’re looking to compete regardless of the crippling injury to our actual MVP, Nicklas Backstrom.
I’m probably in the minority, but I just think that the fans, while they might not be happy, would understand it and appreciate it if GMGM and Ted just came clean and said that mistakes were made and this season is totally off the rails so they are going to completely focus on retooling the team for next season. I truly believe that honesty would be received much better than some superficial moves and excuses, even if it meant throwing the towel in on this season.
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I don’t mind them being buyers as long as it’s a long term solution to clear need, not a rental or a “depth” move for the playoffs. Picking up Carter or Stastny (even Vermette) would be a move I could live with.
by Gin and Tonic on Feb 22, 2012 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed, great stuff. And I’m with you on Wideman. At last year’s deadline, he was 9-24-33 (though a dreadful -26 to the extent GMs rely on that stat) and was had for a third. It’s hard for me to conclude that he’s a really different player this year. Did the second year at $4M detract so much from his value that he’s now Kaberle return worthy at the end of the contract? Really hard for me to gauge.
by Dirk Dangler on Feb 22, 2012 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
A lot of teams are afraid to take on the second year of salary.
Also, while this may sound ludicrous, the fact that he played in the media wasteland that is Florida can’t have helped his value. Objectively, Wideman is/was a much, much better player than Kaberle was last year, but Kaberle had the reputation and the exposure of Toronto.
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by Dirk Dangler on Feb 22, 2012 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
How about Philly having some interest in Vokoun? They seem to be moving all in on this season with some of their recent trades, and their goaltending is a huge achilles heel. They could bring in Vokoun for their playoff run and still have flexability to go back to Bob/Bryz next season.
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Who would you want from Philly? They’re up against the cap and the contract limit.
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First, I think where possible, the Caps should look to add young NHLers or prospects that are or are near being NHL ready. Honestly, I don’t really know enough about Philly’s players and prospects to give a great answer. Would they trade Schenn for Vokoun and a 1st? How about JVR? I have no idea if that’s something the Caps would want to do either. Mostly, I’m just opining that Philly has high playoff aspirations for this season and crappy goaltending, so they may have interest in adding an elite netminder.
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You’d have to take back Bryz (he has an NMC) and/or Bob, to which I say no, no, and no. A thousand times no.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 22, 2012 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
Bryz can’t fit under the Caps cap. I think Bob would. but I wouldn’t take either.
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Why would the Caps have to take either back? What to do with three goalies would be Philly’s problem. The Caps did it once, neither Olie and particularly Brent Johnson were happy about it, but with Huet the Caps went on an incredibly run and made the playoffs.
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Philly’s at the contract limit. They’re not going to carry Bryz, Bob, and Vokes.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 22, 2012 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
Philly had a three-headed goalie monster last season and it was all drama all the time. doubt they’d voluntarily sign up for that again.
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Especially when two of those (Bryz and Vokes) might be more than a little crazy.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 22, 2012 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
ha, can you just imagine Vokes getting into on-ice with the Philly D? While Bryz tells reporters “Vokes must find peace in his soul to play with these defensemen.”
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by RedBirdie on Feb 22, 2012 12:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree on Semin, but he has so much baggage that it’s hard to imagine him bringing back more than what Penner got. Wideman, in my opinion, doesn’t have quite the reputation Kaberle has/had around the league. Maybe that’s because the Toronto media was pumping his tires for a decade, or maybe I’m mis-reading the respect Wideman gets around the league.
Vokoun will be as much about getting more than one suitor as anything else. I agree that CHI would be a good fit, but if they are the only one then where does GMGM get leverage to ask for that First+? He could just say “a 2 isn’t worth it so we’d rather sit on him and hope he gets hot enough to carry us unless you up it to a 1st+” and I bet that’s what he’d say. But it’s still not the same kind of leverage as a bidding war.
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There have to be at least a couple teams with interest in a goalie going into the playoffs. Chicago, Philly, Toronto, Detroit (if Howard remains injured), hell, even SJS might be interested given how Niemi has been playing of late.
Not sure you’ll get a bidding war out of that, though.
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I doubt PHI would bring in Vokoun, but who knows with those guys.
Howard would have to be out for the year, I’d think. (And would Vokoun waive a NTC to go there after the summer?)
SJS would be interesting. GMDW certainly has the stones to make that move. I just see GMGM and GMDW as two guys that will stare down and never flinch, so nothing will ever happen.
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So about that Semin & Schultz for Clowe & Murray deal…..
by Rather Bengt on Feb 22, 2012 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
I can’t look at that Murray injury without cringing.
Fractured Adam’s Apple? Oof.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 22, 2012 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
After the summer, I think he would. I think his biggest concern was Howard, and he didn’t want to be stuck behind someone else.
And Detroit will get over the “Caps have better chances in the playoffs this year” comment due to the way the season has gone.
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Crawford looks like he’s picked it up lately, so maybe Chicago doesn’t worry so much about their goaltending. Then again, I’m going off of watching a couple of games since the weekend.
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Semin → 1st round pick → package deal for a 2C
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More to the point, how many teams have such a 2C that is not in their plans?
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by ThePeerless on Feb 22, 2012 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
Well, if there are no centers available in the NHL, then I don’t know what to say other than McPhee has been screwing us by not drafting more centers.
But if we got a first for Semin, and packaged, say, the Varlamov first AND a player, I have to think there’s a rebuilding team out there that would move a center to us for two firsts and a player.
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According to the news and notes in Yahoo Fantasy, SJS is considering moving Couture for Nash… Time for GMGM to swoop in there with Semin and a first and steal him!
…I can dream, right?
by Murshawursha on Feb 22, 2012 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
San Jose ain’t moving Couture for Nash.
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Of course not. Hence the “I can dream” at the end of the post :P
couture in Red white and blue would be damn sexy though…
by Murshawursha on Feb 22, 2012 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
If that was to happen, San Jose would be set back years.
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by ThePeerless on Feb 22, 2012 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
The Caps have lots of centers. Just none have panned out as a 2C.
by Gin and Tonic on Feb 22, 2012 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
I have serious doubts about Halpern having 2nd round value. I think Steckel is a more apt comparison, and the Devils only got a fourth for him.
It’s all about creating a market. Get in a bidding war for his services, and you can jack up the price pretty easily.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 22, 2012 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
Teams value rentals sometimes more than they value guys with years left on their contract.
Also, Halpern has more scoring ability than Steckel.
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Also, Steckel was moved during a non-feeding frenzy.
But a 2nd would be on the high side of any Halpern return, to be sure, as noted in the post.
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And he’s money on faceoffs. He would be a great pickup for pretty much any contender.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 22, 2012 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
At least the past couple of years, a 2nd is kind of the go-to deadline currency for solid role players. I guess the Caps could balance by returning a 6th or so, but a 2nd is almost certainly Halpern’s sticker price.
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Halpern is much better than Steckel everywhere except the dot. But I do think a 2 is high for Halpern and never would have guessed that until I looked at the comparables.
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Also worth noting, Purcell was on the outs with Kings, not fitting in, not getting much playing time at the time of the Halpern trade from what I recall of the situation.
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by ThePeerless on Feb 22, 2012 10:53 AM EST reply actions 7 recs
Any chance Carter’s performance last night was a message? “Look what I can do! Someone make a trade for me.”
by RossingtonCollins on Feb 22, 2012 10:55 AM EST reply actions
On contract I’d say Carter, but the baggage might push for Statsny. Both are excellent defensively, but Carter is better offensively.
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If you could get Carter for a couple of first round picks + prospect or another pick I think you have to do it.
So then we’re praying for amnesty clause in next CBA just to deal with TWO dinosaur contracts on this team?
Acquiring Carter WITHOUT moving Ovie will be the death of this team.
Gonna go ahead and call hyperbole on that. Acquiring Carter instantly makes this team better.
by Murshawursha on Feb 22, 2012 2:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It solves a problem that’s been gigantic for a very long time.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 22, 2012 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
Who are the dinosaur contracts? Nick and Carter have long term deals but both look to be very good cap value deals. AO is the only long term bad cap value deal.
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Look at Chicago. They’re carrying Hossa AND Keith’s gargantuan deals, and they’re doing okay (for now).
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 22, 2012 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
No 2C.
Goaltending issues.
Overachieving Offense carrying them to playoffs despite unbalanced roster
Just traded for aging vet to try to fill 2C issue (won’t work, we tried the same guy…).
Difference is, they won a cup when their window was open, so to half of them it doesn’t matter.
Chicago has dominated possession since 08-09 and has a pretty good farm system. I don’t think their offense is really overachieving. Their goaltending is what’s sinking them right now (looking at the bigger picture…obviously short term they’ve had other issues recently).
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by red army line on Feb 22, 2012 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
Their window has been slightly longer than ours, but the similarities are very real. It wasn’t long ago that this Caps team would have done some major damage in the playoffs if not for a blown Goalie interference call, a concussed goalie and a hot opposing goalie.
Difference is, their albatross contract can be dealt with by early retirement/KHL duty for Hossa when he starts to suck. Us, we’re stuck with Ovie barring amnesty or some team willing to take him.
And their first line center is now also concussed
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His source also implied that Toews may have hidden symptoms of the injury from the team in order to continue to play.
And that’s from a star player. Anyone want to blame Perreault for hiding it last year?
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A guy who takes 3FO/game doesn’t sounds like a C to me.
I’ll also add, praying a young Marcus is their answer to 2C to the “looks like the caps” column.
I didn’t realize he had taken so few draws, but he definitely spent some time at C (though he spent time everywhere as they sort of bounce him around).
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As long as a player is providing value, you keep them. When they stop providing value to your team, you try to move them. When a player has the term of Ovie and Carter and (if) they stop providing value, it is amazingly difficult to find a home for them.
Don’t bank on an Amnesty clause. It’s bad for NHLPA and only good for a handful of teams who made bad choices. We can’t take on term like that if Ovie’s contract prevents us from upgrading the 2nd line he’d be centering. If he’s not at a point per game this year centering Nash, who think’s he’ll get back to 80/year centering Eakin and Perreault?
What do you know, we have a bunch of both of those!
God dammit I want this to happen.
by Murshawursha on Feb 22, 2012 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
Ah, but does GMGM trade those? Do you move Holtby before you know that Neuvirth can bounce back and progress? Do you move Carlson (or maybe Orlov, but given CBus’s penchant for totally ruining prospects I have to think they’d push for Carlson)?
I want it to happen, hence it won’t. Or something like that.
Yeah I’m not sure George has the stones honestly, but maybe in the spirit of making a splash to save his job…
I will say that I think it would be easier to win with average goaltending than a below-average 2C. So if we have to move Holtby or Neuvy to make Carter happen, I think we have to go for it. Especially given how solid Grubauer has been for SC.
by Murshawursha on Feb 22, 2012 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
I think Columbus might given Carter’s (perceived?) wanting out and lengthy contract.
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I have a lot of concern over the Caps tying up so much term. Ovechkin, Backstrom, Laich, Ward are all committed through 2015. Green? Carlson? And then add Carter? If you’re going to commit to a player, that’s one thing, but if you are going to tie up term in a group of 5-7 players? You’d better be right, because you’re going to have almost no cap flexibility.
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by ThePeerless on Feb 22, 2012 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
On the other hand, what’s one more log on the fire? Especially when you consider that Carter could solve the biggest roster problem this team has had over the past five years and do so in a very convincing manner, I’d get aggressive and see if he can’t be had. But that’s just me.
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Neuvy and Orlov?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 22, 2012 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
They’ll probably want something else as well. Neuvirth is no more a sure thing to recover than Mason (even if I think Neuvirth has it in him to be a far better goaltender than Mason).
I don’t see them recouping what they gave up for him, but I also don’t see them just punting on the deal either.
Young D, young G, maybe another forward (MarJo)? Would have to take in account what also comes with Carter over from CBJ, like a Swingin’ Sammy Pahlsson.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 22, 2012 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
Caps have room for Carter and Pahlsson if Semin is gone or Backs is on LTIR and Schultz is also moved.
by Gin and Tonic on Feb 22, 2012 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
They might do it if Carter is the return. That gives you two centers locked up for life, basically. If they then get Kuznetsov over as well they’ve got a lot of flexibility.
Yup. If the return’s good enough, pretty much anyone is (and should be) in play.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 22, 2012 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t think Carter would be a slam-dunk answer for this team’s ills (he’s not creative enough on his own, he needs a setup man the same way Semin does) but he’d give them a reasonably priced, very good player for a long time and would basically nullify any lost production from letting Semin walk (at least in the regular season).
They’d just be locked in to a guy that’s doesn’t have the best injury history (might not be a recurring issue though) and has had questions raised about his attitude and character (might be overblown).
If the price is right, why not? At least it’d be interesting.
Carter is not a playmaking center in the style of Backstrom or Sedin. But he would require that you deploy assets to defend him. What center not named Backstrom on the Caps does any team have to game plan for?
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by ThePeerless on Feb 22, 2012 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
And if you put a playmaker on his wing – say a Mathieu Perreault – who knows?
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It would solve two problems…a bona fide center to put a guy who is perhaps not a bona fide center at this level in a place where he can be more successful.
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by ThePeerless on Feb 22, 2012 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
He kills penalties too, right?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 22, 2012 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t think it is a bad way to go, but it could require trade offs down the line. Is solving a 2C problem (or at least this solution) worth having to make a choice between Green and Carlson (both of whom are RFA this summer)? The Caps have an unfortunate set of circumstances in that: a) their biggest problem is the lack of a 2C, and b) perhaps the single most important ingredient to a successful team in recent years is strong top-4 D.
I think Semin’s a goner, either by trade in the next week or this summer. With that in mind, does the team dangle a Kuznetsov as trade bait?
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by ThePeerless on Feb 22, 2012 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
I can’t see a choice between Green and Carlson this summer. Neither has much leverage at all.
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The quick math is Carter to replace Semin’s salary (with some left over), which I’d do in a heartbeat. I’m not the CBA maven here, but I suppose the thing with Green is do arbitration rights enter into this?
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by ThePeerless on Feb 22, 2012 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
I think Green’s next deal includes either zero or one UFA year, and given his injury history that year probably maxes out at $6.5m. Add the one RFA year and I’m surprised if his cap hit breaks 6.1. That leaves about half a mil from the Semin to Carter delta, which should be in the ballpark for a Carlson raise.
That’s all back of the cocktail napkin math, but I think it holds.
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On the other hand, what’s one more log on the fire? Especially when you consider that Carter could solve the biggest roster problem this team has had over the past five years and do so in a very convincing manner, I’d get aggressive and see if he can’t be had. But that’s just me.
This is where I’m at.
The time grows closer and closer when you need to address immediate needs and go for the cup with the core they have in place.
Alternative approaches seem to be failing miserably.
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Given their record, current decline, and postseason prospects (the impetus for the article perhaps) it’s possible the loss of a 1C may be biggest problem the Caps have faced in some time. Certainly if they were to miss the playoffs by a point or two and the revenue and associated fallout.
If Backstrom’s issue turns out to be chronic/career-affecting…is the team looking for a 2C out there, or going after a 1B? The reason I ask is of course 1B’s are even less available – more of the go-prey-em-loose type of deal.
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Here’s a point for discussion (and one which Rob and I are a bit at odds over) -
Is it important, contextually, to note that given where these buyers will likely pick, that we’re talking late-round picks here? Is Detroit’s 1st that they gave up for Quincey “essentially a second”?
I think we can all agree that drafts tend to have tiers and those tiers rarely align with even breaks every 30 players. And those tiers (and their relative sizes) change with every draft. For all intents and purposes, doesn’t it make more sense to look at where the pick is likely to fall than the round in which it nominally falls?
Somewhat related, I stumbled upon this and found it (the payoff is the chart on the last page) pretty interesting:
http://myslu.stlawu.edu/~msch/sports/Schuckers_NHL_Draft.pdf
Per that study (and the metrics thererin), there’s less drop-off between the 28th and 70th picks than between 5th and 8th. How does that impact your thinking on any of this?
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Based on the LOWESS function, there does not appear to be much difference payoff between a high second and a low third round pick. If a team holds out for a high second as a condition to trade a player (if, presumably, the deal also includes a first, with much higher probabilities of mean games played exceeding 250), they might be shooting themselves in the foot. Of course, with the Caps, second…third…hardly seems to matter.
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by ThePeerless on Feb 22, 2012 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
I think that’s the key point as much as anything – when you get past the gimmes in any draft, it comes down to scouting and being right. There’s no doubt in my mind that a pick at 55 in the hands of someone good is worth more than a 35 in the hands of someone bad.
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Yeah, well..they made Caps fans sad pandas, too.
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by ThePeerless on Feb 22, 2012 11:41 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
there’s less drop-off between the 28th and 70th picks than between 5th and 8th. How does that impact your thinking on any of this?
Looking at the standings and the way they are playing, this tells me the Caps should be selling their tradeable assets and with the way things are going, they could end up with a top 5 pick and then have assets to trade up even higher if they so desired.
I would also try to trade as many of my assets I could to teams playing Colorado down the stretch…
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Or the way the Caps are playing, trade ’em to Colorado
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by ThePeerless on Feb 22, 2012 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
Ha! Think Colorado would make another trade with the Caps now after the Varly trade? Fool me once…
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Let’s let Adrian Dater decide…he seemed to think Colorado got good value once upon a time.
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by ThePeerless on Feb 22, 2012 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
After flipping Quincey for Downie when they might’ve been able to net a first, I’m not so sure Sherman realizes that some of these trades aren’t exactly great.
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by red army line on Feb 22, 2012 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
That trade is still up for debate. We’ll see how Varly does over the next year or two, and how the Cap’s first round picks go in 2012.
I disagree. Given the situation where it was pretty much (99%) a given that Varlamov was not going to re-sign with the Capitals organization that trade was a win for the Capitals regardless of what happens going forward.
Worth noting, btw, is that this is primarily “predicted games played” driven AND the data is pre-cap – since then, there’s a lot more reason to give younger, cheaper players more ice earlier, so the applicability of the data is worth questioning, to an extent.
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And I think you could make the case that the draft pool is deeper nowadays, so you could extend some of the tiers back a few picks. The points certainly remain valid and it’s definitely an interesting project.
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Aye. And no one’s saying that picks 81-87 would be more valuable than the #1 overall in reality and that the owner of the #1 pick would be silly not to traded it straight-up for those seven picks. At least I don’t think anyone’s saying that.
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I don’t know about deeper, but I suspect that scounting is more refined, at least in the ability to assign players to tranches — high-end prospect, mid-level prospect, low-end prospect, sleeper.
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by ThePeerless on Feb 22, 2012 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
Please read this post about Jeff Carter.
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by Rob Parker on Feb 22, 2012 11:34 AM EST reply actions 15 recs
Good post. Made me also realize how underrated Patrice Bergeron is in the league.
by Rather Bengt on Feb 22, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
It’s a good post…but that was 2010. This is 2012.
It was also my impression that he was traded because of locker room problems. That’s probably the last thing this team needs.
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Those numbers are from last season. “2010” means “The 2010-11 season.” Date published is June 4, 2011, i.e. the start of last off-season.
Sure, no team “needs” locker room problems. This team most definitely needs another stud C, and one that could eat tough minutes and still score would be pretty damn sweet.
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Frankly, we already have a bunch of guys in the room who appear to party too much. Who the hell knows, maybe getting them a third drinking buddy will make them happier, and then they’ll start producing again.
Frankly, I could care less how wasted the dude gets as long as he’s still producing on the ice.
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And that you care somewhat about this issue which is probably not what you intended to say. /Couldn’t care less peeve
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by Edanger6 on Feb 22, 2012 4:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, he missed some time but was there for most of the games, including all the SCF games and scoring the ECF winning goal.
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PHI destroyed MTL in the ECF that year. I don’t put much stock in scoring the series winning goal in a series like that.
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by Killer_Carlson on Feb 22, 2012 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
If we don’t want Carter’s contract and knowing that the Av’s are patsies, could we take on Stasny’s $6.6M contract for the next two years instead? He’d be a nice 2C.
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I think it’s going to take trading someone like Carlson or MoJo to pry either away. That would not shock me.
I think the notion of Semin, Schultz and a first isn’t going to be enough.
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I’d move Johansson for a 2C in a heartbeat. We’d basically be flipping him for a better (albeit more expensive)version of himself.
Carlson would be harder to stomach. But I still think I’d at least seriously consider it.
by Murshawursha on Feb 22, 2012 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t think that does it, but I could see Orlov, a First, Eakin or something like that getting it done.
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I’d deal MarJo a hundred zillion times before I’d deal Carlson once.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 22, 2012 11:48 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Absolutely. A puck moving defenseman who can contribute big offensive numbers is one of the most valuable things a team can have, no?
In terms of “elite”, rank that one, elite C, elite shut-down D, elite W, elite G in that order.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 22, 2012 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
I think I’d sign quickly to get either for that. Eakin would appear to be a 3rd liner at best. Orlov has huge upside, but a 1st is unknown.
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What no Joel Ward? I thought as many as 16 other teams were trying to get him, George?
And Hamr?
I am assuming their exclusion is not because the Caps wouldn’t sell but no one would buy. Fantastic.
It isn’t even anger-inducing. It does not seem to be worth that kind of emotional investment. It might not even be disappointing any more. It is expected.
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Also, neither of them are expiring contracts, which are the only thinks Rob looked at with this post.
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I actually looked at a couple non-expiring contracts (MP, Schultz) but was whipped into shape by the boss man.
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I’m actually surprised that MP isn’t being discussed more as trade bait. given his performance since Backstrom went down, he’s most definitely at a “sell high” moment. That said, I’m a huge fan of his so I’m totally happy to see him stay here, but, well, if that was what it took to bring back Carter, I’d do it. and then feel like a terrible person for stranding MP in Columbus.
by Murshawursha on Feb 22, 2012 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
Not really, no. But based purely on his performance this season, his value has to be higher than Johansson’s at the moment, no? I guess with MJ90, you could argue that teams are paying for potential (plus he has the first-round pedigree), but I’m also not sure we’ve seen the best Perreault can play either.
by Murshawursha on Feb 22, 2012 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
What if you could put him in a machine which would turn him into a 160 pound gold bar?
It isn’t even anger-inducing. It does not seem to be worth that kind of emotional investment. It might not even be disappointing any more. It is expected.
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I had been saying the same thing about trading Ward and Hamrlik. Hamr, I can understand holding onto because he’s only here for another year, but wouldn’t be opposed to him going. The only downside is that this team would be very thin on capable d-men, so I don’t see it happening unless they plan on bringing back Wideman long term.
Ward, I wanted gone because 3 million for the next few years for what he brings just isn’t worth it. That being said, it looks like with this new CBA, there will be a one-time amnesty clause built in where teams can get rid of one contract. If that’s the case, I really think GMGM will consider letting Ward go. It was odd that he paid Ward that much money in FA, but I can only imagine that GMGM thought Ward would play a larger role at even strength and on the PK.
No – they were excluded because they’re not pending UFAs (as was detailed in the post).
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Yeah but I wanted to take my daily crack at Ward and Hamr.
It isn’t even anger-inducing. It does not seem to be worth that kind of emotional investment. It might not even be disappointing any more. It is expected.
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No one who’s any good at his job (though, to be fair, I think Hamrlik has been providing decent value for his contract under Hunter and that Ward could still earn his deal with the proper utilization).
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When I think about the loss of Backstrom and his singular importance to this generation of Caps’ playoff hopes… No 2C is going to fill those shoes.
I say wait til the off-season – if Backstrom does not get better before then consider whatever mini-firesale deal is required specifically to get a 1B as priority 1. Assuming Backstrom comes back, awesome. If he doesn’t, and durably so, the rest really is deck chairs.
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Good post!
though I really disagree on Halpern. 2nd round pick would be an absolute steal, I think he’s worth more in Knubles range. (5th)
As I said, I agree. But look at those comparables and tell me where the breakdown is.
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It’s probably hard to find true comparables for Halpy. But he’s no Chris Kelly.
It isn’t even anger-inducing. It does not seem to be worth that kind of emotional investment. It might not even be disappointing any more. It is expected.
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what about Steckel as a Comperable?
I forget what we got for him (arnott, anything else?)
but Steckel was great faceoff, and good defensive center. (i’d say still a small step above Halpern though).
Like I says earlier, it’s all about the bidding war and how many teams they get on the hook about his services that they can play against each other.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 22, 2012 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
For those of us who don't speak French...
Jacques Martin wanted his general manager Pierre Gauthier, get along with Roman Hamrlik for the current season.
Finally, Pierre Gauthier has not accepted the salary demands of the defender who has an agreement with the Capitals that they were willing to give it a two-year contract, which would bring him $ 7 million in total.
But today, Roman Hamrlik had enough of Washington and would like to play elsewhere. To be honest, nothing is easy in this team now and it weighs heavily on the shoulders of several players.
Hamrlik has been offered a few teams, but the Capitals are very demanding.
Is that the transaction market is very expensive … because of the exchange of Gill Hall in Nashville.
The fact that the Predators have given a second-round pick, plus a prospect Blake Geoffrion as for Hal Gill, mean that for Roman Hamrlik, is expected to give more.
And that’s where the pressure is on dg by February 27. We must determine the true value of a player and not overpay.
In short, can a team be willing to pay full price for Roman Hamrlik? Not currently. But it is also possible that requests the Chief Capitals, George McPhee down Feb. 27. The game of cat and mouse has begun.
by Murshawursha on Feb 22, 2012 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
But today, Roman Hamrlik had enough of Washington and would like to play elsewhere.
How can a writer say something like that without a direct quote, or giving credit to a source close to Hamrlik?
Keep in mind that was a quick and dirty Google translate, so these quotes may or may not be misleading, but yeah, that does sound like a pretty bold claim to make.
by Murshawursha on Feb 22, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
Google translate translation here I think gets the message across accurately.
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by red army line on Feb 22, 2012 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
more on Hamrlik in the news today:
The Blues have been scouting Washington Capitals’ games recently and could have interest in defenseman Roman Hamrlik. Hamrik is finishing up the first season of a two-year, $7 million contract with the Capitals. Hamrlik is a left-handed shooting d-man who has two goals, 10 points and a plus-1 rating in 55 games this season.
For related information, for those who don’t read fanposts or look to the right on the main page: A trade deadline primer specific to the Washington Capitals situation I posted the other day.
Good stuff, Rob. No secret that Nashville’s all in this year, what with the acquisition of Hal Gill already, Poile saying his 1st rounder is in play, ownership promising to spend to win, and it possibly being the last year of Weber, Suter, and Rinne together.
The common school of thought was/is that the Preds are two pieces away from a Cup run: 1) a defensive defenseman/PK specialist, and 2) a legitimate top 6 scoring forward. They got Hal Gill, but the options for the latter are kind of slim. Tuomo Ruutu just re-signed, Mikhail Grabovski isn’t really going anywhere, so that leaves essentially Hemsky or Semin.
All that to say, if McPhee decides to sell, might there be a deal with the Preds for Semin?
As an aside, article came out this morning detailing how Radulov is thinking about a return, and I wonder if Semin being on the roster would be a strong catalyst.
Lemme quote the late, great Colonel Sanders. He said "I'm too drunk to taste this chicken."
(and yes – I realize we’ve been down this road once or twice)
Lemme quote the late, great Colonel Sanders. He said "I'm too drunk to taste this chicken."
by Chris Burton on Feb 22, 2012 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
You would think GMDP would talk to GMGM about Semin. I’d personally rather have Semin than Hemsky, but neither are overwhelming options.
Not sure I’d count on Semin sticking around when thinking about Radulov. Maybe he would, but it’s not the kind of thing you could bank on.
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I’d rather have Semin than Hemsky, too – slightly less injury prone, and a better player. They’re not overwhelming options like Zach Parise or Bobby Ryan, but they fit a need.
And I meant more Radulov being willing to come back if Semin was here, but I see what you mean.
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by Chris Burton on Feb 22, 2012 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
I stand a better chance at replacing Suter in the Weber pairing than Semin does of going to Nashville — floaty, enigmatic forwards aren’t exactly Trotz-hockey.
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by Chris Burton on Feb 22, 2012 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
Nowhere in the same league. The last guy to float as hard as Semin fucked off to the KHL because “he didn’t do rebounds”
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JP or someone posted stats recently showing Semin has been doing pretty well lately
and he’s smiling, taking less penalties, a joy for the organization and a real leader on an off the ice.
He’s quite an asset showing he’s well-worth his contract and more
I just hope nobody from another organization is reading this, as this fan-favorite would be sorely missed by all and would surely be that missing piece to take any team to the next level
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by Icebat on Feb 22, 2012 5:13 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
I believe he’s talking about Filatov. Filly don’t do rebounds.
Release the Mackan!
by Killer_Carlson on Feb 22, 2012 10:47 PM EST up reply actions
Why even bother trading Knuble for a 5th unless its a help him get the cup situation?
Outside of Holtby and Perreault, the Caps haven’t had a draft pick lower than the 3rd round draft play any significant games for them since the mid 1990’s.
Its not exactly a GMGM strength.
Perfect description of Greg Sherman trading for Steve Downie.
by Rather Bengt on Feb 22, 2012 6:50 PM EST up reply actions

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