Tuesday Caps Clips: Twice Bitten
Your savory breakfast links:
- Recaps and other assorted musings on last night's loss from us, Caps365 video (Hunter, Caps players, McLellan, Sharks players), Vogs, Capitals Voice, NHL.com, WaPo (gamer, blog), WashTimes (gamer), DCEx (gamer, blog), CSNW (gamer, Joe B. live blog), 106.7 The Fan, PHT, SB Nation DC, Frankovic, KOL, RMNB, DSP, Examiner, Sick Unbelievable, Caps by Puck (pics) and clydeorama (pics).
- Surprise! Braden Holtby was recalled pre-game and started. [DCEx, WashTimes, WaPo, CSNW... and gave up a looooong one (Puck Daddy, RMNB)]
- Surprise! Joel Rechlicz was recalled pre-game and played.[WashTimes, CSNW]
- Surprise! Braden Holtby was recalled pre-game and started. [DCEx, WashTimes, WaPo, CSNW... and gave up a looooong one (Puck Daddy, RMNB)]
- Notes and assorted whatnot from yesterday's morning skate:
- Mike Knuble thinks "it sucks" to be healthy-scratched... and that might've been before he found out he'd be sitting for Rechilcz. [ABC7, CSNW, PHT, with more on this run of scratches for the veteran at Puck Daddy and Nosebleeds]
- Could next week see Mike Green 's return to the lineup? [CSNW, WaPo]
- Blood is thicker than water. But not ice. Or something. [WashTimes]
- Time to make a move? [WaPo, CSNW]
- The Boss seems to think so. [Ted's Take, WaPo]
- But are they buyers or sellers? [DSP]
- And could Knuble (and maybe another Cap) be a fit with one of his former teams? [CSNNE]
- Centers, centers, centers. [Sick Unbelievable, Hockey Hourly, District Tribune]
- Hey, here's something else they'll probably blame Alex Ovechkin for. [Puck the Media]
- An Evgeny Kuznetsov non-update. [sports.ru]
- Finally, happy 37th birthday to Viktor Kozlov, happy 45th to Calle Johansson (but it is not, sadly, this former Cap's birthday).
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Why the Caps Will Win Tonight (couched in the terms of the usual rationales).
Caps will want to make up for a lackluster performance Sunday in front of their fathers/mentors.
Caps playing at home.
Opponents playing on the road.
Opponents playing back-to-back games on road.
(Wonder what the over/under is for Shark’s victories on their 9-game road trip)?
Opponents have won something like 15 of 16 against Caps since early ‘90’s: percentages have to be on Caps side.
Caps " Win Probability": 57.7.
Caps know season is half over and now is the time to play with more urgency, especially since they are on the playoff cusp.
Caps will score three goals.
So:
Now it’s off to Florida, where, according to one player, the team has a problem getting up for games. You know, not like they do in New York.
by Acer Jonesy's Laughker on Feb 14, 2012 6:42 AM EST reply actions
Since I was at the game, and I didn’t bother to read any discussion when I got home, what the hell goes on in Dale Hunter’s mind?! I get playing a hunch. But the last time Braden Holtby even saw the ice in DC before last night was during training camp. No practice, no morning skate. I get it, they’re professionals. But don’t you figure he was hung out to dry before he even got on the ice?
I’m not saying Neuvirth would necessarily have been any better last night, but I’ll bet he felt like fifteen kinds of an idiot for having said all morning that he was getting the start.
"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."
Just read the John Feinstein’s article in the Post and he mentioned that Holtby was probably showcased last night because there were 12 scouts in the building…Don’t think that worked out the way GMGM had planned – for all the reasons you mentioned.
Lost in that article is a possible outside shot at playing this weekend for 52.
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by Bald Pollack on Feb 14, 2012 7:13 AM EST up reply actions
I think it’s important to get him in the lineup immediately. 2 games now is much more important than the remaining portion of the schedule.
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by Rob Parker on Feb 14, 2012 9:16 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
And his career.
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by J.P. on Feb 14, 2012 9:19 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Since I’m probably not going to bother to read the Feinstein article, thanks to Katie for tweeting the pertinent quote.
Via John Feinstein: GMGM on timeline for Green: “…It’ll be no more than 7 to 10 days and it could be this wkend.”
Eh, could be doesn’t mean it will. Maybe that’s meant to give people some optimism. Then again, yesterday was Monday, the weekend includes Friday and Saturday games; by Saturday, that’s almost another week. Still, I doubt it happens. Wouldn’t be surprised if it’s next Monday, though.
"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."
The question is important, though.
How long will Green stay healthy before he aggravates this?
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by Rob Parker on Feb 14, 2012 9:40 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The over/under is probably five games.
Nice guys finish first, but sometimes the season is awfully long.
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How long will Green stay healthy before he aggravates this?
The options are re-aggravate or completely unrelated and bizarre injury.
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by iwearstripes on Feb 14, 2012 10:16 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Holtby isn’t going anywhere. Vokoun is gone next year (or sooner) and Neuvy hasn’t actually grabbed the number 1 by the throat. He’ll be here next year. Plenty of film on him. If you were going to showcase him, why do it in a game against a top team in a back-to-back game? Scouts at every game and plenty of other guys to look at.
Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...
by dcsportsfan1 on Feb 14, 2012 7:17 AM EST up reply actions
Vokoun gone sooner than next season? Wrong.
"He leaves every ounce of energy that he has on the ice and works very hard at it, and he wants to be the best and he wants to win, If you don’t follow that, you’ve got something wrong with you."
by nogoodtrying on Feb 14, 2012 10:14 AM EST up reply actions
Moving him at the deadline would probably be a smart play. He’d bring back a good return and this year’s team isn’t winning the Stanley Cup anyway.
by Murshawursha on Feb 14, 2012 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
He’s probably their most valuable UFA-to-be asset (though Wideman would be in high demand).
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We’ll see where the team stands at the end of February, I suppose. If the playoffs are an impossibility, I’d be ok with letting him go. If they’re still in the hunt, I think it’d be foolish without picking up another vet goalie that can actually win.
"He leaves every ounce of energy that he has on the ice and works very hard at it, and he wants to be the best and he wants to win, If you don’t follow that, you’ve got something wrong with you."
by nogoodtrying on Feb 14, 2012 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
I’m not sure what to make of the trade market for Wideman. Caps got him basically for a 3rd and he had one year remaining on his contract (albeit at a healthy cap hit). With him UFA, what can the Caps expect to get? He’s performed well this year but I wonder how much his play has exceeded expectations from other GMs. Maybe the dearth of Dmen apparently available would help his value but I have a really hard time predicting his value.
And I think it’s moot. I believe GMGM is being honest when he says he thinks this is a Cup competing team with everyone healthy. I’d be shocked if he’s a seller at the deadline (though would be pleasantly surprised at this point).
by Dirk Dangler on Feb 14, 2012 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
Ah, but Dennis Wideman was just Dennis Wideman when we got him from FLA… Now he’s All-Star Defenseman Dennis Wideman.
by Murshawursha on Feb 14, 2012 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
I think GMGM has shown that you can’t really trust anything he says leading up to the trade deadline.
Release the Mackan!
by Killer_Carlson on Feb 14, 2012 1:44 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
What sort of return do you think GMGM would get, trading Vokoun to a team desperate for goaltending? (Chicago, Tampa Bay)
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Vokes does have NMC, fwiw.
It isn’t even anger-inducing. It does not seem to be worth that kind of emotional investment. It might not even be disappointing any more. It is expected.
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I agree but what GM defines as a contender might differ from Vokoun’s interpretation. Saying that list of teams he might be willing to go to could be very small, especially since he could just wait it out.
It isn’t even anger-inducing. It does not seem to be worth that kind of emotional investment. It might not even be disappointing any more. It is expected.
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Luckily, we have Chicago.
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by red army line on Feb 14, 2012 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
25? Or 6 to 4?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 14, 2012 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
We are still contending for the Southeast Divsion banner. He should be happy.
by Rather Bengt on Feb 14, 2012 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
Against the team he left. Dunno how happy he can be in that context
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by Rather Bengt on Feb 14, 2012 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
More surprised Feinstein hadn’t taken the time to write his annual “Randy Edsall sucks” column after Danny O’Brien’s transfer yesterday.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 14, 2012 7:21 AM EST up reply actions
That’s not annual, that’s probably weekly.
"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."
OT, but I’m hoping Edsall succeeds if only just to stick it to Junior.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 14, 2012 7:33 AM EST up reply actions
It’s not that he’s a bad writer, and I like Feinstein more often than not, but if he’s going to opine on the Caps, he can’t simply rely on having watched the Islanders for years and years (I think that’s right). You have to actually watch the team you want to opine on – more than once every two months.
[and OT, I kind of enjoy the ranting about MD]
"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."
Absolutely (on the first part).
I felt this way listening to Mr. Tony last week, when he went on and on after the Winnipeg game about how he didn’t know anything about hockey, which is why he doesn’t talk about it, which is when I said to myself; “then why are you talking about hockey?”
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 14, 2012 7:40 AM EST up reply actions
I really doubt Holtby was showcased last night. I think it’s just Hunter thinking Holtby has been playing better than Neurvy.
Goalies traditionally don’t get that much in trade, especially non NHL goalies. Holtby is more valuable to us next year than he would be to anyone else.
I do think a trade will happen soon, I just don’t think Holtby will be part of it.
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When you have a team with huge contract that is not performing at it’s cap value it would be the height of lunacy to trade a possible franchise goalie with a 600k cap #. No way that you can trade Holtby unless you get incredible value back.
A Holtby/Neuvy tandem next year sets you back about 1.7 million. That’s important for this team.
Great! GMGM will have extra money to overpay another Joel Ward.
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Or Troy Brouwer, who’s worth his salary
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 14, 2012 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
He is?
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by Knee high to a duck on Feb 14, 2012 11:35 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Middling zone start, third-highest QoC, slightly negative Corsi and Corsi Rel (but slightly positive scoring chances), has drawn 10 5v5 penalties and taken 8, 1.73 pts/60 which is above what he typically does (~1.3) but also with a 10+ on-ice shooting%. I think that’s solid.
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by red army line on Feb 14, 2012 2:59 PM EST up reply actions
I’m fairly confident Feinstein hasn’t a clue what he’s talking about. There are scouts at every game. It’s their job. (Sidenote: this is why I hate the “Scouts from Teams X, Y and Z are in attendance” tweets – they almost inevitably cause fans to leap to totally incorrect conclusions about why they’re there.)
Let’s think about this logically – if you’re GMGM and you have a young goalie who’s cost-controlled for a while and potentially your franchise goalie (regardless of what you think of Neuvirth), are you quick to move him? Of course not.
But let’s say for the sake of argument that you are interested. Holtby’s going to land you the mythical 2C for which you’ve been on a grail-like quest for years. To maximize Holtby’s value, you a) play him against one of the League’s top teams while your team is playing like shit or b) let his 14 NHL games to date – over which he posted a ridiculous and unsustainable 1.79 GAA and .934 SV% – speak for what he’s capable of at the NHL level?
Last night wasn’t about showcasing Braden Holtby, it was about trying to win a hockey game.
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by J.P. on Feb 14, 2012 7:32 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Absolutely. And I think it shows the lack of confidence they have in Neuvy at the moment.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 14, 2012 7:34 AM EST up reply actions
I think you’re assuming that this team is run by competent, intelligent individuals. I’m not sure that’s the case.
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I’m comfortable giving them the benefit of the doubt here, and while reasonable minds could probably differ on “competent,” I don’t think there’s much room to question George McPhee’s intelligence or that of his staff.
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Poti, Steckel, Sloan, Ovie’s lifetime contract, Ward, holding Boudreau too long, holding Semin too long, thinking Johansson could be a #2C this year. . .
Lots of questionable decisions in there, and I haven’t even gone back as 2008. McPhee increasingly strikes me as a guy who makes a lot of good moves in isolation, but consistently gets the big picture wrong. Great tactician, horrible strategist.
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by D'ohboy on Feb 14, 2012 8:16 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Again, I think all of that goes to competence, which I readily admitted was debatable. I don’t think any of that goes to intelligence (and I’m not sure you’d find too many “great tacticians” throughout history who were stupid), but it’s probably just semantics at this point.
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I agree on the semantics point. I just think that McPhee makes a lot of moves that seem plausible and well thought-out at the time, but which aren’t part of a larger workable strategy.
Almost every year, he’s gone out at the deadline to fill the #2C hole (and to a lesser degree a hole on defense), and every year it comes up short. At some point, an intelligent person has to realize that building a team from the outside-in, then trying to fill in the middle at the trade deadline is terrible roster management. And yet he persists. That makes me seriously question his strategic acumen and his ability to properly interpret events and respond to them, which comes back to my postulation about intelligence levels.
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I think two reasons McPhee comes up short at the deadline in particular, and in the offseason generally, are: A) he’s more enamored of his prospects and pipeline than other GM’s are, and B) obsessed with ‘overpaying.’ So he won’t pull the trigger and deal quality to get quality.
Maybe the plan is for Kuz to be the 2C and he’s patching around it until that materializes. Which is shitty roster management, imo.
Cross check and all call.
I think he’s fallen victim to the costs he’s sunk into Alex Semin and the fear that if he let him go, it’d come back to bite him. Frankly, I think a lot of his moves have been overly-conservative based on that fear. How many prospects has he held too long? When has he ever traded a real good asset?
I don’t disagree with the overall assessment, but I give him a small pass on the 2C issue for last season in that I thought his strategy there and on D and in goal made sense – see what you’ve got in the young guys, and if you need to, go get something at the deadline. On D, it worked – when everyone clamored for him to make a splash for a FA D, he stood pat and Carlson and Alzner emerged (at a combined cost of probably 1/3 of what a UFA D would cost), and it helped both the team and the players. Similar story in goal with Neuvy (and, to a lesser extent, Hotby). It didn’t work out as well at 2C (MoJo or Perreault), so he went and got Arnott, who was fine. They didn’t lose last year because Jason Arnott wasn’t good enough. In the context of roster management, I’m pretty fine with how last year went down.
But that was last year. Having committed to Semin early was a mistake and gave him no flexibility for this year. Having committed to Bruce was a mistake. And both seem to have been somewhat insurmountable.
(And my last point on the semantics is that I think there’s a sizable difference between “You’re not smart” and “You’re not good at your job,” even if that job requires smarts. But whatevs.)
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by J.P. on Feb 14, 2012 8:39 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I’m just reluctant to give him a pass on the Semin issue. In my mind, Semin ought to have been out the door – or at least headed that way – the instant the Caps committed to Ovechkin in the long term. There simply isn’t a single example of a Stanley Cup team that committed that quantity of their salary cap allotment to two wingers.
To make it more clear, this analogy came to me last night. Imagine it’s 1994 (or thereabouts) and you decide to build your team around Pavel Bure and Alexei Kovalev. You’ve got the most dynamic goal-scoring forward in the league, and the guy many regard as the most talented player of his era. It’s going to be great fun to watch, but in hindsight you also clearly have a team that will never win the Stanley Cup.
Maybe when the “Young Guns” were . . . actually young . . . and therefore cost-controlled, this type of construction made sense. But Semin should have been gone the instant he got into the RFA contracts, because the opportunity cost of keeping him on the roster (along with Ovechkin) was the ability to build this team properly from the inside-out.
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by D'ohboy on Feb 14, 2012 8:49 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If that came across as me giving him a pass on the Semin issue, it certainly wasn’t my intent. We can quibble over the “when,” but I’ve long been over the mind he shouldn’t be here now.
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In my mind, it had to be a binary choice – you either have Ovechkin, or you have Semin, but you can’t have two #1 wingers in a salary cap world and hope to have a Stanley Cup team. . . unless those two #1 wingers are cost-controlled. Perforce it leads to too many holes elsewhere in the roster.
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What was Semin at when they extended Ovi? Two years at ~$4.6m? Actually, it was before that deal, no?
Based on their projections of the cap and the short-term commitment to Semin, I don’t see why they couldn’t try the “two winger” model, given that they thought they had two elite talents (and the NHL still was on a no-obstruction kick, etc.). But it became pretty clear that wasn’t going to work not too long thereafter. These last two Semin one-year deals certainly never should’ve happened.
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Well, it all depends on what GMGM might have used that money for instead. Tough to know what options presented themselves to GMGM. For example, if keeping the cap space was his other choice, I’d rather have Semin on the one year deals.
I don't want to work, I want to hang on the blog all day.
The problem is that GMGM extended Semin before he even had a chance to know what he could do with the cap space. It’s not like he looked around in free agency or at trades in the offseason and settled on Semin. He extended him early in the season both times.
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by Killer_Carlson on Feb 14, 2012 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
Also, know what caused more roster issues than Alex Semin? 1 or 2C Michael Nylander.
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I can’t help but put much of the Nylander situation to just bad luck. Unless McPhee knew he was going to switch to a coach with a fast, north-south system, I still think it was a not terrible signing.
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It was a terrible signing. The guy was O-L-D and the team he was playing for was still 2-3 years away from serious contention.
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Nyls himself, or Bruce’s inability to use him? Or the Caps’ weird general willingness to keep players around that they don’t really want? (Eminger, Nyls, Schultz?)
"Money talks. I listen."
I thought they handled Eminger well. They let him play, turned out he wasn’t all that good (granted, the team stunk), and when he had some value, got a great return.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 14, 2012 9:31 AM EST up reply actions
No, they got balls-ass lucky that a tonne of defensemen got injured in that playoffs and that Eminger filled in nicely and that Holmgren got a stiffy for him.
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by D'ohboy on Feb 14, 2012 9:32 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Well, you can argue that they screwed up Eminger’s development to begin with, but it was just odd that they seemed willing to keep a non-useful player around even though everyone agreed that keeping 8 D around wasn’t good. I think they more or less lucked into getting a first rounder from Philly.
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by apk3000 on Feb 14, 2012 9:34 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Another decision which looked somewhat defensible in isolation (while I still disliked it), but which was made anyhow. You can’t get a #1/2C of any worth after the age of 34.
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But you can sign 31 year old centers to 9 year contracts!
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 14, 2012 9:31 AM EST up reply actions
He was coming off 83- and 79-point seasons.
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Caps had a pretty good scorer with whom Nylander could play. Two, in fact.
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by J.P. on Feb 14, 2012 9:34 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I could potentially see Nylander meshing well with Semin, but all it takes is one period of watching Nyls and Ovie play (especially 05-07 Ovie) to realize they weren’t going to mesh well. One guy is all about carrying the puck straight down the ice at top speed, the other is all about slowing everything to a crawl
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hadn’t Nylander gotten off to a decent points start that fall before his shoulder popped?
by Tommy Williams on Feb 14, 2012 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
He had 37 points in 40 games in 07-08 and played through a lot of pain that last month until he shut it down.
The Nylander of 06-07 would have been a great addition to the Hunter offense, but didn’t fit into what Bruce was doing back then.
It was an ok contract back then (assuming you couldn’t predict his shoulder injury), but 4 years and a NMC is too much to give for any UFA.
Weird that you’d pick Bure and Kovalev, who played for the SCF in 1994. Can you even name the 2C on either team that year?
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I am going to say Sergei Nemchimov and Cliff Ronning.
by Rather Bengt on Feb 14, 2012 9:26 AM EST up reply actions
Linden/Ronning (depending on who you think the #2C was) for the ’nucks and. . .
MacT for the Rags.
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I think MacT was 3c at that point in his career.
by Rather Bengt on Feb 14, 2012 9:28 AM EST up reply actions
He was a 3C. His hair was a 1C.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 14, 2012 9:29 AM EST up reply actions
Cliff Ronning and Sergei Nemchinov.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 14, 2012 9:27 AM EST up reply actions
If MP85 can have a Cliff Ronning type career with the Caps, I would be happy.
by Rather Bengt on Feb 14, 2012 10:07 AM EST up reply actions
Ronning was the tits in NHL 94.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 14, 2012 10:09 AM EST up reply actions
The driving force behind that Rangers team was Leetch and Zubov. When you have to of the best defensemen of their era on the same team, you can control the play a lot.
Mark Messier singlehandedly won the Stanley Cup. He guaranteed 16 victories, stopped Bure on a penalty shot, cured all of cancer in NYC, and won the Conn Smythe.
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and used his magical fire-breath and saved the maidens fair…
by kingbonehead on Feb 14, 2012 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
I worked with a federal judge in DC and he asked if I knew who Lafayette square was named after and I said Nathan Lafayette. He looked at me like a) Who the F is that and b) our school systems are failures. The clerk just shook his head and said “100 bucks he’s a hockey player.”
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by Rob Parker on Feb 14, 2012 11:13 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
How many schools on Long Island are named after him?
by Rather Bengt on Feb 14, 2012 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
Got any good stories about hockeyplayer dong?
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Dino was just fetching his morning paper.
by Rather Bengt on Feb 14, 2012 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
He also cleared the crease for Matteau with a vigorous fart.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 14, 2012 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
In response to D'ohboy, I'd just like to provide my reaction to the decisionmaking in this organization right now, top to bottom:

Special note – the photo also illustrates what I believe management ought to do with respect to the current composition of the team, at the trade deadline and over the summer.
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by Gould Old Days on Feb 14, 2012 8:45 AM EST up reply actions 10 recs
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by JediChewbacca on Feb 14, 2012 8:54 AM EST up reply actions
Are we posting in Wingdings font now?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 14, 2012 8:55 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I figured it was Archer-related. Rampage…
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by Alz in the family on Feb 14, 2012 9:26 AM EST up reply actions
"Terms of Enrampagement" deserved an Oscar

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by JediChewbacca on Feb 14, 2012 9:40 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Agree about scouts at every game and to do their job scouts have to attend games. Also, two teams playing and last night was a ‘light’ night schedule-wise.
I did note this last night since it was more than just a scout:
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Yeah, when a GM actually shows up, like Howson at the Flyers/Rangers game t’other day, that’s what makes me pay attention.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 14, 2012 9:45 AM EST up reply actions
To maximize Holtby’s value, you a) play him against one of the League’s top teams while your team is playing like shit
Eh, I don’t think this is the worst move for his value. If he has an awesome game then he just looks even better. If he ends up giving up a bunch of goals in a loss, well he’s playing in a game on short notice against a top team and his team is playing like shit. What can you expect from him?
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by Killer_Carlson on Feb 14, 2012 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
A .934 SV%! He did it last year!
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don’t you figure he was hung out to dry before he even got on the ice?
I don’t. His job is to save pucks. He didn’t save enough.
Neuvy’s job is to save pucks. He hasn’t saved enough.
Both guys played Sunday. One played well.
Dale played the guy he thought gave him the best chance to win last night. Not sure wherein lies the issue.
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I knew the Caps were in trouble 4 or 5 minutes in when Holby had already made at least three ten-bell saves. There was one wicked deflection he didn’t even SEE that just happened to hit his pad.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 14, 2012 7:27 AM EST up reply actions
Obligatory “give him credit for not quitting on the play! He’s a battler! Todd McLellan played with his dad in junior hockey.”
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 14, 2012 9:29 AM EST up reply actions
Not disagreeing with your statements. Just struck me as odd. Even odder that he wasn’t told until 2:30. I figured they would have brought him to DC after his game on Sunday, so he’d already be here if they needed to officially call him up. Or can they not do that?
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Yeah, it seems a little rushed, in retrospect, but I’m guessing they were waiting to see if Vokoun was good to go. When he wasn’t, they pulled the trigger.
And for all I know, they figured the short notice would help him mentally not to dwell on it or get too nervous, etc. Even though he’s unflappable. /Pierre’d
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Did Pierre actually say that last night, or is that just a general joke?
The one thing I can’t see worrying about him would have been dwelling on it, because it’s not like it was his NHL debut. Unless you’d worry about him getting over hyped up.
"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."
He used the word at least twice to describe Holtby.
And I could see him dwelling on it – he thought he’d be here all year, then they got Vokoun, so he has to use this one chance to show them he belongs, etc.
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I didn’t see the NBC broadcast, but I heard a clip on the radio during the pregame about this topic; I think it is ridiculous that people think a several hours window of Holtby being the #2 goalie in the organization in late June / early July had him convinced he was starting the season with Washington and even if he did for that brief time, he had time to adjust.
As to Holtby, I agree with the earlier comment; don’t see how that was showcasing. I did find Hunter’s post-game comments as silly as usual, with the comments about Neuvirth playing the previous day in New York, given Holtby’s schedule.
All I’m saying is that it’s conceivable that one could’ve reasonably thought Holtby could’ve seen last night as a chance to show he belonged here all along and that could, conceivably, result in him putting undue pressure upon himself.
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Undersand that point. I was responding to a few posts in the thread with my comment, as well as the Caps radio comments and it sounds like something also said on the television broadcast.
As to Holtby, I find it amusing that McGuire appears to have used the word ‘unflappable’ to describe him.
Yeah, bizarre word to use to describe a guy whose temper is somewhat notorious.
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He’s unflappable because if you try to flap him, he will slash you in the calf with his goalie stick.
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by sydtron on Feb 14, 2012 9:54 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I think it’s a legitimate point, but he also knew he wasn’t staying longer than last night. Should have been a reason for less stress, maybe? Of course, I’m being rational from the outside.
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That post game presser annoyed me as well. I expected to hear Hunter say that Neuvy was not feeling 100%, but instead heard that same bullshit about how Neuvy played the previous day. Umm, didn’t anyone remind him that Holtby played yesterday too (later in fact)? Come up with something better next time, Dale.
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That was the main reason I questioned using Holtby yesterday. It was understandable to call him up — we at least needed a backup. But, on this particular day, the reason for using him vis-a-vis Neuvirth did not make sense.
A more rested Hotlby would have made more sense.
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I don’t have any problem with Hunter playing the guy he thought gave him the best chance to win last night.
I seriously question his judgment on who that was.
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by Gould Old Days on Feb 14, 2012 8:46 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Precisely. He could/should have started Neuvy to see how he would do. Then, if he looked shaky, bring in Holtby. As it is now, he managed to screw with both of their minds.
by Wilderthing on Feb 14, 2012 12:28 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 14, 2012 7:20 AM EST reply actions 10 recs
Can we please bring the Joel Rechlicz Experiment to an end please?
Please?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 14, 2012 7:42 AM EST reply actions
Well, Winchester wasn’t a factor last night, so mission accomplished.
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by Bald Pollack on Feb 14, 2012 7:43 AM EST up reply actions
But how many Caps were injured last night by the evil Brad Winchester?!?!?
Deterence: Achieved.
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Did anyone figure out what happen that he got that misconduct? Was it for shit talking the ref?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 14, 2012 7:52 AM EST up reply actions
Whyno theorized that he touched Clowe from the bench.
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I’ve never been happier to see a Caps player get run over than when Murray destroyed Rechlicz near the Caps bench. That was a monster hit that unfortunately, didn’t get replayed.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 14, 2012 8:02 AM EST up reply actions
Why exactly is that? What is it about Rechlicz that you despise so much? Is it because he does exactly what he gets paid to do? I have no problem with having someone like Rechlicz in the lineup for certain games. If Hunter felt his presence was needed yesterday and considering what happened with Winchester during the last game, I really don’t get the outrage over this move. He’s also not the reason the Caps lost the game last night and as long as he’s not having a negative impact on the game and he’s the one fighting/sitting in the penalty box instead of Ovi then I’m OK with it. If rooting against a Caps player makes you happy, that’s your business but I’ll never understand that kind of attitude.
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I have no problem with tough guys who can play hockey.
Rechlicz does not fall in that category.
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by Gould Old Days on Feb 14, 2012 8:51 AM EST up reply actions
As the kids might say, don’t hate the player, hate the game.
That a guy like that can still get an NHL contract is an institutional failure, but I have a hard time taking issue with the punching bag who wants to fill it.
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Nah, I dig Rechlicz. My ire is directed at the suits that are putting him out on the ice in his current sweater.
Hey Hunter, you’re entitled to 18 skaters in a game. Why choose to play with 17 skaters and one guy who isn’t going to help the team win?
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by Gould Old Days on Feb 14, 2012 8:55 AM EST up reply actions
He has a good +/-?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 14, 2012 8:56 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
It’s adorable that you think there was only 1 guy that wasn’t going to help the team win…
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by Rob Parker on Feb 14, 2012 9:32 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
I think the ire a player gets should in some way be proportional to their impact. At a minute and change, Rechlicz had basically no impact, so I have no ire.
What concerns me more is that playing Rechlicz makes me wonder if Dale Hunter is still trying to win the 1998 Stanley Cup.
Please, call me F&B.
He got Rechlicz to play against the Grind Line.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 14, 2012 9:33 AM EST up reply actions
What concerns me more is that playing Rechlicz makes me wonder if Dale Hunter is still trying to win the 1998 Stanley Cup.
Could explain his reasoning for benching Knuble 3 games (still holding a grudge?)
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Why? Because he put the guy in the lineup for a couple of road games a few weeks ago and again last night? BB did it a few times also. He put King in the lineup against TOR I believe and a couple of other teams. Again, I wouldn’t want a goon taking up a roster spot every single night either but against certain teams, I don’t mind. Isn’t he having a positive impact on the game if he keeps Ovi and other players out of the penalty box and he is the one fighting instead of Erskine or Hendricks or other guys who can actually play and contribute? As long as he can do that when he’s in the lineup and he’s not taking stupid penalties or doing something that hurts the team, then I don’t have an issue with it.
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by CapsFan2020 on Feb 14, 2012 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
The problem is that he’s not doing any of that. He’s taking the ice for less than 2 minutes a game and having no impact at all. He’s not deterring anyone by sitting on the bench – he’s just wasting a roster slot.
Failure is always an option.
He’s played in what, three games? Do you recall any incidents, cheap shots, fights or anything like that during those games and is this something you want to see each time the Caps play SJ?
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He doesn’t have to play 10 min a game to have the kind of impact the coaches are hoping for.
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by CapsFan2020 on Feb 14, 2012 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
I can point out a lot of 3 game stretches where there weren’t cheap shots, incidents, fights, or anything like that. Correlation and causation are different. If Rechlicz wasn’t playing, maybe we could have someone useful in the game instead of making Ovie play 26+ minutes.
Failure is always an option.
If Ovi is playing 26+ min a night is usually because the Caps are losing and Hunter usually shortens the bench is those situations. Having Rechlicz in the lineup has no impact on Ovi’s minutes during a game.
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by CapsFan2020 on Feb 14, 2012 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
No, I definitely don’t want to see Semin in a Caps jersey next time the Caps play SJ.
Release the Mackan!
by Killer_Carlson on Feb 14, 2012 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
No worries. The Caps don’t seem to get too aroused playing the Sharks, if the past decade’s head-to-head record is anything to go by.
by Rather Bengt on Feb 14, 2012 2:16 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Well finding a guy like that would be ideal but that’s the problem, they are not available so some teams do settle for using guys like Rechlicz, who can’t play hockey, but bring toughness to the lineup . I would not want Rechlicz or DJ King to play every night or anything like that but I don’t think replacing a guy like Beagle or Aucoin or whoever with a goon for a few games during the regular season is that big of a deal. If the Caps miss the playoffs it won’t be because Rechlicz played a game against the Sharks on Feb 13. Hunter had a reason for wanting the guy in the lineup last night. He probably didn’t like the fact that in the last game against SJ, Ovi had to spend some time in the penalty box because of Winchester. Again, in this particular case, I have no issue with the move.
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I don’t think replacing a guy like Beagle or Aucoin or whoever with a goon for a few games during the regular season is that big of a deal.
I think it’s a big deal when the “whoever” is Mike Knuble.
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by Scott in Shaw on Feb 14, 2012 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
Replacing Knuble with a goon before this season even for one game would have been criminal but this year, I don’t think it matters. He does average 1:25 on the PK but is not like the Caps have a shortage of forwards that can kill penalties. Ward and Beagle could handle those minutes easily.
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Agreed. Much as I love Knuble, he’s essentially a spare part at this point.
by Murshawursha on Feb 14, 2012 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
What is it about Rechlicz that you despise so much? Is it because he does exactly what he gets paid to do?
I don’t “despise” Rechlicz personally, I’m sure he’s a nice fellow. What I “despise” about Rechlicz is the role he plays, which is to play two minutes a night for a team that’s already offensively challenged, and contribute nothing besides getting a misconduct penalty and lighting hotfoots on the bench.
Remember on 24/7 when Rupp called Shelley “irrelevant”? That’s Rechlicz. See also, Richards’ chirp on Sestito. Same thing. This is not 1975.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 14, 2012 8:54 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Said it was “fantasy camp” for Sestito.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 14, 2012 9:34 AM EST up reply actions
I was going to reply to that post, but this sums up what I feel perfectly. Rechlicz brings nothing to this team, just takes up a slot that someone useful could fill.
Failure is always an option.
I’m sure Ovi feels the same way you do.
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by CapsFan2020 on Feb 14, 2012 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
A certain segment of Capitals fandom has deep misgivings about the Joel Rechlicz Era. If I could speak for them, they wonder why Dale Hunter’s puck-possession-starved team is using a sweater on a gentleman whose greatest strength is fist possession, followed by chirp possession, followed by penalty box occupation.
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by RedBirdie on Feb 14, 2012 11:14 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Which good puck possession players did Rechlicz replace in the lineup last night? My guess is that Hunter chose to have Rechlicz in the game instead of those guys because he didn’t want to see Ovi get into another altercation with Winchester. The last thing the Caps need right now is Ovi getting into a fight/scrum and getting hurt or even spending time in the penalty box like he did in the previous game against the Sharks. If Erskine was in the lineup then I don’t think Rechlicz plays but I can understand why the coaches wouldn’t want Erskine fighting or getting hurt/suspended at this point either so they went with Rechlicz.
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by CapsFan2020 on Feb 14, 2012 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
Seems like the last couple games have been better, possession-wise.
Didn’t seem to hurt them last night either. They did outshoot the Sharks. And not just when they were down.
And it appears that the players like having guys like Rechlicz around, so there’s that too.
by Gin and Tonic on Feb 14, 2012 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
Exactly and I just read what Laich had to say about it on the post linked above. The players like having him around, Ovi didn’t have to jump anybody and no one got hurt. I’m sure that’s all the coaches were hoping for.
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by CapsFan2020 on Feb 14, 2012 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
I think you have to question whether Laich really thinks there is a lot of value in a player like that or if he’s throwing a bone to a teammate that has a hard way to make a living.
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Depends on how you define value. Whether he contributed much on the ice – the guys liked to have King around. I think that was pretty clear. It’s probably the same for Recher.
by Gin and Tonic on Feb 14, 2012 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
That’s one possibility but it is also possible that they do in fact like and appreciate his presence in the lineup against tougher teams. None of us know for sure because we’re not in the locker room so all we’re doing is speculating on the subject. As I said before, I don’t see any reason to get worked up about having a goon in the lineup a few times a year against certain teams.
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by CapsFan2020 on Feb 14, 2012 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe the comfort level for a teamate is that he will fight and prevent someone from taking liberties, but that he will fight instead of you having to fight someone.
by kingbonehead on Feb 14, 2012 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
Any of the scratched players had a better chance of making a positive contribution to the Caps game last night than Recker. Recker was a waste of a roster spot. 1:30 doesn’t deter anyone.
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I don’t understand how you can say 1:30 doesn’t deter anyone. He doesn’t have to get ice time for teams to realize he’s there, and that if they do take a run at somebody, THEN he’s going to get ice time when he comes off the bench to beat the crap out of somebody.
by Murshawursha on Feb 14, 2012 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
He contributes nothing to winning the game. If a player gets run, then he’s run. If Recker got a chance to respond, it would have been after the fact. By giving Recker a sweater I feel the Caps overestimated the SJS physicial threat at the expense of having players on the bench that had more upside for a team that needs wins.
If Recker was called up because of Winchester, then the Caps were trying to play the previous game and not the present one. They made Winchester into the bogeyman when they should have been more worried about SJS’s scoring power.
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by oldemystix on Feb 14, 2012 1:07 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
+1 this. If it had been Boston, or the Rangers, or even Montreal, I would have griped about Recker, but I could have lived with it. But unless Logan Couture has taken up beating mites for their lunch money, San Jose isn’t really known for being a pack of goons.
…and +1 the “playing the last game” sentiment. The Caps need points NOW, not more fights BACK THEN.
by creasemonkey on Feb 14, 2012 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
San Jose isn’t really known for being a pack of goons.
Maybe not, but they are a very physical team and won’t hesitate to go after other teams’ best players (see tweets below during last week’s game between Hawks and Sharks).
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Sharks just pounding Toews with no fear of anything. Toews grabbed his knee after last hit. Guess his teammates thinks it all OK.
The Caps aren’t the only team that puts a goon in the lineup from time to time to deter certain teams from going after your best players. The Blackhawks are doing it tonight against the Predators. They are scratching Frolik and BMo in favor of John Scott. So if a recent SC winning coach, whose team is also struggling and needs the points, sees value in having a guy like Scott in the lineup in place of two other far more talented guys, then I have a hard time criticizing Hunter for making a similar move.
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Here’s where I come down on this. If Rechlicz keeps Clowe and Winchester from taking runs at, say, Wideman, AO, etc, then he’s worth having around.
Unfortunately there’s no way to know for sure if his presence has any detergent effect or not, so all we’re left with is speculation.
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if his presence has any detergent effect
My emphasis. Is that autocorrect, or do you think he keeps the opposition shiny clean?
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by fat_daddyo on Feb 14, 2012 5:00 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
But he’s not the one putting Scott in the lineup tonight against the Predators, another team that plays physical, the Blackhawks’ coach is. Why would he do that instead of playing a guy like BMo or Frolik who are far more capable of providing some offense if he doesn’t feel that Scott’s presence in the lineup is more important to his team tonight? Again, we may not like or agree with it but I think you have to give coaches the benefit of the doubt when they do stuff like this.
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One of my favorite hits by this group was 2 years ago against the Sharks, when Ovi and Knuble sandwiched Clowe a few shifts after he had run Theo. I wasn’t sure it was retaliatory hit until I saw the two of them look at each other and nod right after they’d finished him off. A play like that is so much greater than anything that Recker could have done (or said) last night.
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from Feinstein this morning
I still think if we get our guys back and if we can add something here in the next couple of weeks we’re good enough to win the Stanley Cup.
I guess it’s the company line to trot out for suckers to read who aren’t in the game, but clearly the denial runs deep in this posturing by McPhee. Sad, really.
Cross check and all call.
The thing that bothers me about that is that inevitably, people who don’t watch hockey regularly will drag out how well the Pens are doing sans Crosby, but that’s a completely different situation.
Right now, the Caps have NOTHING that even resembles the Neal/Malkin/Kunitz line, which might be the best line in the lig.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 14, 2012 7:48 AM EST up reply actions
The Pens would also have to drop Letang from their lineup to for a truer comparison.
But really, losing Crosby is losing a player at a position at which they have another elite talent (good on them for building that way), so that would equate to the Caps losing Ovechkin. I’d wager that the Caps w/o Ovechkin would be doing better than the Caps w/o Backstrom.
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But the Pens were without Letang for much of the season. And Staal.
And yet they didn’t play like hot garbage on ice.
Unleash the Apathy.
by D'ohboy on Feb 14, 2012 8:07 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
They didn’t fall apart the way this team has. The Caps are extremely fragile. In the Feinstein column, McPhee points out that injuries to Green and Backstrom derailed a potential Stanley Cup season. Well George, if two injuries derail your team this badly, you probably didn’t have a Stanley Cup roster to begin with.
Unleash the Apathy.
I just grabbed a newspaper from 1991 with the headline “Breaking: The Caps Aren’t The Pens.”
Not sure how many teams could keep up a reasonably high level of play despite losing two of their three most valuable players and making a coaching change.
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The Pens are just an easy example. There are many other examples from around the league of teams that have lost important players and haven’t fallen apart this badly. My point is that, if the roster really were stacked as much as McPhee believes it was, it should not have fallen apart with the loss of two players.
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Not sure I agree. It’s still two of the three most important players. But more to the point, I don’t think the reason PIT doesn’t fall apart and the Caps do has nearly as much to do with their respective rosters as it’s about the guys behind the respective benches.
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Well, at least their third most important player is playing well, if he can get healthy. As long as he can keep posting shutouts the team should win some games.
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by Rob Parker on Feb 14, 2012 9:35 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
In your last few posts, you act as if GMGM had a pool of every player in the league and he hand chose the ones he thought would make this team the best to ever play the sport and that he passed on some that actually would have done so because…well, I’m not sure why you think that. He’s too prideful? Arrogant? Ignorant? I think he did a pretty good job of picking the right pieces available to him at cost, it’s the players and coaches that have to perform to their potential (or even half of that potential, which would probably significantly change results). It seems obvious that that is the case, not the roster itself.
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by nogoodtrying on Feb 14, 2012 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
So if the roster underperforms year after year after year, you don’t start to question the guy that puts it together year after year after year?
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To be fair, it’s two years tops we’ve been underperforming (three if you count this season). Is it really reasonable to blame him for not foreseeing that our franchise winger, who looked like a once-in-a-generation talent, has regressed to a 30g/70pt guy? Did any of us see that coming?
by Murshawursha on Feb 14, 2012 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
Depends on your definition of “underperforming”. Maybe your expectations are too high. How many teams have long term GMs that have gotten them into the playoffs as may years GMGM has? Might be a good nooner…
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by nogoodtrying on Feb 14, 2012 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
Expecting the team who finishes 1st in the East to make sit past the 2nd round isn’t expecting too much.
Failure is always an option.
how about finishing top 5 in league 3 years and not making it past 2nd round?
by kingbonehead on Feb 14, 2012 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
To be fair, the Caps are .500. You sound more like you’re talking about last year’s Devils, in the first half.
Personally, I’d almost be happier if the Caps had gone straight off the cliff. What they’re doing now is much more painful.
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by Gould Old Days on Feb 14, 2012 8:49 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed. I find myself thinking that the worst thing that can happen is for them to run off a four-game road winning streak here. I will root for that, but, if it leads to them being buyers at the deadline, that will be frustrating.
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I can’t agree here, either. Every shot at the playoffs is a shot. Take it. If they reclaim the 3rd or 8th spot, and it looks like they’re going to stay there, I say go for it.
I’d be annoyed if they give up good value for a longshot, but I don’t have any problem with them taking that longshot. If this team sucks it up enough to put themselves in playoff position, I’ve got no problem with management rewarding that effort.
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by Gould Old Days on Feb 14, 2012 8:53 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I’d be annoyed if they give up good value for a longshot
I agree with you, but now I’m afraid of how our management will interpret this. My risk aversion is very high this morning.
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They didn’t fall apart the way this team has
The team was a 10th place-caliber team before 19 went down, and isn’t much worse than that right now, I think.
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by red army line on Feb 14, 2012 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
The original argument was that the Caps fell apart because of Green’s injury.
FWIW, I don’t believe either argument, which was the crux of my point in the first place – if you’ve got a team that can’t hold onto a playoff spot while missing two key players, you don’t have a Cup contender. Cup runs are often long wars of attrition. After the last few seasons, I’ve got zero faith in this group to make it through such a slog.
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I think the argument is valid. I am interested, however, in how you would think Boston would be this year if they were missing Chara and Thomas to injuries.
by Rather Bengt on Feb 14, 2012 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
PHI fell apart when they lost Richards and Carter a couple years ago (though they were already in the playoffs). PHI’s D has struggled without Pronger. It happens. I also think there’s a spurious distinction in the “if you’ve got a team that can’t hold onto a playoff spot” line. The season isn’t over and the Caps have bounced between 3 and 9 for a few weeks. It’s obviously not inspiring, but they haven’t tanked out of the playoff picture either.
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They’re only in the 3 spot because of the division setup. Otherwise, they’re looking up at everyone.
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And? So now it’s not just about holding a playoff spot, it’s holding “the right” playoff spot? I hate to break it to you, but the Caps aren’t winning the Atlantic Division this year.
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by Rob Parker on Feb 14, 2012 3:56 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
They aren’t holding a playoff spot. They’re presently four points down and FLA has a game in hand.
They were, briefly, in the 3 spot. Hooray. Let’s break out the bubbly.
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If your team is struggling mightily to remain in the playoff race on account of injuries to only two players – regardless of who they might be – odds are that your team isn’t a true Cup contender.
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Well they are 1 pt out of 8th and 5 pts out of 7th with 3 games in hand. I’d call that solidly in the playoff race. So…
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by Killer_Carlson on Feb 14, 2012 11:22 PM EST up reply actions
That’s basically my point. There isn’t a meaningful difference between “just outside in 9th place,” “tied for 8th place,” “in 7th place with a one point lead over 8th place,” etc. Things on the bubble change quickly, and I don’t think any of those seeding propositions are acceptable to D’ohboy. I doubt he’d say “well the team is in 7th, one point above 8th, so they should be buyers and are true contenders.” He’s already convinced they aren’t contenders (as am I) so it’s easy to fit whatever seeding they have into that already determined conclusion.
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Missed a perfect chance to use a “moving the end-Zona” comment.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Feb 14, 2012 6:28 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t know if I’d call it “real well.” here’s what I’ve got:
Pens record through the Winter Classic (so, excluding the game immediately after where Crosby was concussed): 25-13-2 (.650)
The Tampa game to the game where Malkin blew out his knee: 10-3-1 (.750) yes, small sample size
no Crosby, no Malkin: 14-9-4 (.592)
Of those 14 wins post-Crosby and Malkin, nine came during OT or SO (6 were SO). Prior to Malkin going down, Pens had all of 6 OT or SO wins on the season.
They did well enough. Better than I would have expected being forced to play J. Staal as their 1C. And they certainly played within the rules as far as OT and SO are concerned, so more power to them for getting those points. But they weren’t exactly winning, either.
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a 14-9-4 (.592) record with no Backstrom, no Green would be nice at this point of the year.
by Rather Bengt on Feb 14, 2012 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
yeah. But the painful truth is, the Caps never have been anywhere near as deep at C or D as those dammable Pens. For the love of god, the Caps are expecting Matty to play 1C some nights, Dennis Wideman is a disaster everywhere, and the team face off machine has an injured knee that’s clearly still bothering him.
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the fact that the “team face off machine” is a converted winger says plenty as is.
by Rather Bengt on Feb 14, 2012 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
I was trying not to set of another downward spiral of “We’re Doomed!”
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by Rather Bengt on Feb 14, 2012 10:21 AM EST up reply actions
I’m eagerly awaiting!
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Dennis Wideman is a disaster everywhere
Disaster.
I do not think this word means what you think it means.
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by D'ohboy on Feb 14, 2012 10:44 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
okay, maybe overstating. But he terrifies me in his own end.
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Speaking of Wideman – who I like alot, by the way – what was up on the PP last night? I was at the game and he was puck handling all the way around the net more than once. What was up with that? No clear passes? Seemed uncharacteristic and ultimately unsuccessful. It almost looked like someone had told him “Don’t just stand and wait for an opening. Keep moving at all times.”
I can’t speak to Wideman because all I recall is the entire PP being a big huge mess all night long. Seemed like a team-wide failure.
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Ironically, I think we’ll be able to say the same thing about McPhee in about, oh, 3 months.
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I thought that line was extremley arrogant when originally said. As time goes on, it gets more and more pathetic.
by Dirk Dangler on Feb 14, 2012 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
Now whenever I hear it I think of the clueless scouts in Moneyball.
Ironically, Grady Fuson was hired again last spring by…..the Oakland A’s.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 14, 2012 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
Keep it in the frame of reference: He was referring to comments made by the “Sports Junkies.”
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Was he? That’s certainly how HBO framed it, but…
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And it’s a pretty broad statement to be taken in isolation to the Junkies even if that was the origin.
by Dirk Dangler on Feb 14, 2012 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
Ironically, I think we’ll be able to say the same thing about McPhee in about, oh, 3 months.
Really? I think if he’s done, Montreal doesn’t hesitate to snap him up (if, of course, he speaks French), and if not Montreal, Columbus.
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by red army line on Feb 14, 2012 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
On the whole goalie choice issue, with Vokes not able to go, the Caps had the choice of a goalie who did a back to back with an NHL team the previous day at 12:30 (Neuvy) and a goalie who did a back to back with an AHL team the previous day at 5:00 (Holtby). Either way, forced to use a goalie with insufficient rest. Holtby had had a great game his previous outing but still….. We weren’t going to get the best version of either of them.
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… according to you. Just two weeks ago, Holtby stopped 38 of 40 shots playing in the second of back-to-back games after stopping 44 of 46 the night before. FYI.
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Glancing through last night’s twitter, what was this about?
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Jonesy, Staal grazed Plekanec on nameplate, Bourque hit Backstrom in face, big difference. Milbury, may get suspended for speaking the truth
"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."
This.
FWIW, I found Milbury’s bluster inappropriate and it detracted from what was a fair point – that Plekanec completely sold it and should be ashamed of himself.
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The call was right on the ice (sort of). A two minute minor is fine for that (even if they called the wrong penalty). But Milbury’s bluster and talking about how he likes these plays and how you want your captain to play like that is ridiculous. There’s no room in the game for elbowing someone in the head. Full stop.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Feb 14, 2012 9:14 AM EST up reply actions
That was a chippy game. Wasn’t there an injured guy from the Canes headed back to the bench that got elbowed by Rene Bourque?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 14, 2012 8:45 AM EST up reply actions
Thought it was Skinner, but may have been mistaken.
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by Bald Pollack on Feb 14, 2012 8:55 AM EST up reply actions
Here’s the optimist’s view point for Valentine’s Day, 2012.
My optimism hopes that the Capitals’ management doesn’t do anything stupid at the trade deadline that focuses on 2012 at the expense of the future. I’m hoping that the Capitals’ management doesn’t have inflated expectations of this team that translates into being buyers at the trade deadline.
I think this team is now better served by being sellers at the trade deadline and getting some value for Vokoun and Wideman. If they can get a high draft pick or a player for either Vokoun or Wideman, then their investments will have panned out. I am not supportive of a broader trade-off at this point.
Without those two, assuming a healthy stint from Green, there remains a chance that the Caps could squeeze into the playoffs. They really aren’t that far back in the standings. After that, with lower than low expectations, who knows. I just think we try to do this with what we have or minus a few folks, not by adding a lot more that could damage the future. Let’s be risk averse now and regroup over the summer.
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by STLSpidey on Feb 14, 2012 8:50 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
I like the idea of being a seller, but I’m not sure draft picks would satisfy me.
How about trading for a guy who’s in the NHL and can be had under contract for the next few years.
More talent in the system doesn’t really help this team achieve the great potential it has sooner rather than later (IMO) with a core of (give or take) 8, 19, 27, 74, 81, 21 & whoever else.
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Do the caps still have what we’d consider to be a good core? Is there anyone on the “core” list that can now be considered as irreplaceable as they might have been considered at the start of, let’s say, the 2010 season?
by kingbonehead on Feb 14, 2012 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
How about trading for a guy who’s in the NHL and can be had under contract for the next few years.
How many teams do you think are willing to give those players up for rentals at the deadline?
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by Killer_Carlson on Feb 14, 2012 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
Scouting for Ray Shero. I wish the roles were reversed.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 14, 2012 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
What gives you any optimism that the Capitals will go this route? With Leonsis’ and McPhee’s comments, I have zero confidence that they’ll focus on 2012/13+ at the deadline.
by Dirk Dangler on Feb 14, 2012 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
My optimism is not necessarily connected to reality. If it was, I would probably root for another hockey team.
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by STLSpidey on Feb 14, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I think they’ll focus on getting into the playoffs whenever they think they can, regardless of whether there’s a “realistic” chance to win a cup in that season. I think Ted’s (and maybe George’s) idea is to simply get in every year and hope that lightning strikes (but not the Lightning, because that’s not so good for the Caps as history shows.)
by kingbonehead on Feb 14, 2012 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
Ed Frankovic, who I agree with 90% of the time, I think assigns a little too much of the blame last night to a lack of grit, a lack of willingness to get to the front of the net.
Washington is not finishing plays, but more importantly, they aren’t getting the type of "greasy goals" you need to win hockey games.
Not that I wholly disagree, I just think the bigger issue is the talent level. See, I thought the effort was actually there last night. They played their asses off. They generated over 40 shots. They spent long shifts in SJ’s end.
But the talent to finish their chances just isn’t there anymore. I’d rather the effort were lacking, that way there would at least be some hope for improvement.
MJ90 missing the lay up was painful
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by JediChewbacca on Feb 14, 2012 9:00 AM EST up reply actions
MJ90 as a center is painful. I’d say move him to wing, but he’s not great along the boards. Unfortunately, he’s one of the few remaining Caps with speed. Uf da.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 14, 2012 9:03 AM EST up reply actions
I wasn’t buying the “not crashing the net” line until the caps got two goals in the third by having someone in the goalie’s face.
granted the game was out of reach, but I still don’t think it was chance that 2 of the 3 goals came with people screening the goalie.
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Like I said last night in the recap, there’s a really big talent difference at the center position.
When there’s such a disparity of talent, it’s just that much tougher to compete all over the ice.
A few times last night i think i saw Marleau v. Ovechkin on the half wall, Pavelski v. Johansson behind the net, and Brouwer or Semin vs. Thornton. A system that depends on working around the outside to free up the middle of the offensive zone will never succeed if you’re getting straight outclassed at almost every situation.
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Speculation that the Caps are looking at Nash.
If the Caps trade for Nash, I will stab a hobo. That will take a bad roster and make it worse.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Feb 14, 2012 9:10 AM EST reply actions
I’d fall back on the standard of there are always scouts at games and it doesn’t mean anything.
OTOH, we’re not playing the Blue Jackets or the Ducks again this season. If Columbus moves Nash, they’d want a hell of a lot more than Semin’s expiring contract. I suppose you can fall back on the concept of showcasing Holtby. But based on what I’m always reading here, if the Caps were scouting a trade with Columbus, wouldn’t it probably be for something else?
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Exactly. Nash is the headliner, but CBJ has depth players that could help. Think Vermette wouldn’t be a nice addition to the lineup right now? (Yes, Brooks Laich is soooo hot.)
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I’m sure I’m missing the point (joke excluded), but you’re suggesting he’d be better at C than Laich (and move him back to wing)?
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I think he’s suggesting he’s almost as hot as Laich.
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I’m suggesting that Vermette is a better C option than anyone we have now (certainly while Laich is battling the knee injury that will surely heal as he continues to skate on it). I’m also making a preemptive strike on the “Brooks Laich has to be the hottest guy on the team” argument.
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100% agree. Good 2-way player with decent cap hit for the next few seasons. Caps could do a whole lot worse.
by Dirk Dangler on Feb 14, 2012 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
Uh, no.
And since I’m old enough to be their mother, that’s a completely unbiased opinion, at least looking at Vermette’s mug at nhl.com.
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He has Brady Quinn’s hair.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 14, 2012 9:32 AM EST up reply actions
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"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."
I’m sure the scouts were at the game just doing their jobs. For the record, I don’t actually think the Caps will (McPhee can’t be that detached from what’s the most important position and what this team needs, can he?). I was just responding to the speculation on the Caps. The fact that people think it would be a good move for them is babytown frolics. There is no world in which the Caps need another highly paid winger.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Feb 14, 2012 9:25 AM EST up reply actions
I thought we already had a left wing on a long term contract.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 14, 2012 9:24 AM EST up reply actions
If I were the Rangers, I think I’d rather have Carter than Nash.
Centers are always more valuable than wingers.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 14, 2012 9:25 AM EST up reply actions
How has no one brought up Jeff Carter yet?
by Murshawursha on Feb 14, 2012 9:52 AM EST up reply actions
Carter and Pahlsson for Semin, Schultz/Knuble and a 3rd.
No more depth at Center problem. Carter is on a long deal, but the cap hit is workable.
The Jackets want a young Dman give them Schultz. They want locker room leader – give them Knuble.
by Gin and Tonic on Feb 14, 2012 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
Why would CBJ take Semin/Knuble? Their contracts are up and CBJ is not making the playoffs.
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Then throw in another prospect. Eakin. Or a roster player like MP.
They’d take it, because they want to get rid of Carter. I don’t think they want anyone with term, if they are blowing up the team. Which is why Semin would work.
by Gin and Tonic on Feb 14, 2012 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
Because he’s been brought up regularly since it became clear Backstrom wouldn’t be returning anytime soon?
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by red army line on Feb 14, 2012 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
Holtby, Recker and Aucoin re-assigned.
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Not a single surprise there.
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So – Knuble plays over the weekend?
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Has nothing to do with the plans for the next game on Friday.
- Based on reports, Holtby was on goalie emergency recall so he had to go back down within 48 hours (I think it’s 48 hours).
- Stops the waiver clock counter for Aucoin and Rechlicz.
- Opens up roster slots on the active roster if the team makes any trades.
- Caps don’t play again until Friday.
As to cap space, I’m going to run some numbers later. I want to estimate how much of Green’s space they are using. As has been discussed, it’s possible they put Backstrom on LTIR when Green comes off LTIR.
Only 1 more home game before the trade deadline, which is less than 2 weeks away. Caps still have 6 games: 5 on road; 1 at home; 2 back to backs.
FRI 2/17 at FLA
SAT 2/18 at TBL (b/b)
MON 2/20 at CAR
WED 2/22 at OTT
FRI 2/24 vs MTL
SAT 2/25 at TOR (b/b)
trade deadline 2/27 3pm eastern time
TUE 2/28 vs NYI (first of 20 games post-trade deadline; 9 on road, 11 at home)
Some folks have been pointing to Mar 16-Mar 22 games as most critical to making the playoffs. To me, it’s these next 6. All “winnable” games, and three against teams the Caps are competing with for the playoffs. If the Caps are going to get on a run, this would be a good time to do it.
by Dirk Dangler on Feb 14, 2012 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
Now that Winchester is out of town, the boys are safe! Recker can go back to Hershey.
by kingbonehead on Feb 14, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
On an upside at least Orlov looked significantly better last night. I would love to know what Jim Johnson said to him but he was playing with a lot more confidence which we need.
He was struggling since the face injuries and wearing the full cage, IMO. Looked like he changed to a shield instead of cage style for yesterday’s game and it looked like he was having an easier time seeing/playing pucks than in previous games since the injury.
He lost a puck in his feet and was spinning at the blueline. That was ugly.
Where did you see the shield? It looked last night like he was wearing the cage, unless he changed at some point mid-game.
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I said looked, maybe I’m wrong. Just one or two shifts where it looked different, maybe it was just the angle I was looking at. Yes, there was one play when he definitely lost the puck in his feet, but looked to me like he did less of that last night than in previous games.
It was ugly, but at least he tied up his man. If you’re going to make a mistake, keep the outcome minor.
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I also think there are more than a couple Caps that would have picked up a hooking call if they did what the SJS forechecker did to Orlov.
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Now, maybe I watched the game through my red glasses, but I saw quite a few instances where I wondered if a call would have been made if we’d done it.
I was also puzzled by the penalty assessments. There were a few that were clearly penalties, but if you’re choosing between (for example) hooking and interference, hooking was the much better call, and they went with interference.
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by iwearstripes on Feb 14, 2012 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I had some of those thoughts. All told, that’s about as good a reffing performance as you’ll get with OJ.
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all he had to do was not call an inexplicable diving penalty and we’d consider it an improvement. Mission accomplished!
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I thought The Juice was stronger than McCauley last night… which is kind of stunning, because McCauley is generally the stronger of the two officials.
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by iwearstripes on Feb 14, 2012 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I’m not going to rip on McCauley. He’s low on my shit list.
How many NHL refs do you think are really good hockey players (like DI or better)?
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There’s a handful, McCauley, among others. A couple guys played in the ECHL and IHL. When some of the older NHL officials were getting into it, you could try and make it as a player, and if you failed, still give it a go as a ref. These days you really need to be on people’s radar by your early 20s to have a shot. That means you need to be working games by your late teens. It’s tough to fit in reffing games when you’re playing in the CHL or USHL.
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by iwearstripes on Feb 14, 2012 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
Do many/any NHL refs move up from college?
(Yes, I know about the avatar hounding - just pretend mine is invisible.)
Some may have spent time at the collegiate level, but most go from either the Central League or Major Junior, maybe with a stop in the ECHL to the AHL to the NHL.
That AHL stop is usually a pretty long one too. 3-4 years is common.
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by iwearstripes on Feb 14, 2012 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
when you start wondering if the call would have been made if the sweater is different, I worry about the state of NHL officiating.
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Well, that goalie interference call would have been a goal against if it had been on the other side of the ice. Wearing my tinfoil on this, but it’s certainly happened more than once.
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I try not to go all Mulder and think the refs are out to get the Caps, or at least I try to keep it sort of in check on the Rink, but………beyond the fact that the officiating just blows donkey bits this season overall, I’m so god damn sick and tired of seeing the Caps always always always getting the short end of the stick, season after season.
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We need to use one of our first rounders to pick up a good, Canadian boy who’s the darling of the hockey media. Balance out the ratio.
by Gin and Tonic on Feb 14, 2012 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
you;’d think Laich would be able to do that all on his own, but apparently there are actually limits to how far those rugged Canadian good looks and gritty, determined style of play will get you in life.
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I don’t post here much, so I’m not sure if this is the right place for it, but this is a good summary of who is probably going pro early in the WCHA, looks like the Panthers are getting a bunch of young talent. Bjugstad from the Gophers is pretty good http://www.buckys5thquarter.com/2012/2/14/2794860/should-i-stay-or-should-i-go
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A zillion years of top ten draft picks in a row will do that.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 14, 2012 9:50 AM EST up reply actions
I am also so not ready for Rocco Tebow.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 14, 2012 9:51 AM EST up reply actions
He’s gonna want those Panthers Ice Girls to cover up a bit.
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Excluding Vegas, Miami is probably the last place he should go.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 14, 2012 10:04 AM EST up reply actions
Eleven penalties doled out last night. anyone recall the last time that happened? and they still missed some obvious ones! One both teams.
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In sort of related news, how many times did Perreault get thrown out of the faceoff circle last night? Seemed like a crazy number of times to my eyes.
(I apologize but I haven’t read the recap and comments from last night so maybe it was discussed there.)
I don’t mind him cheating every draw. But did you see the give-a-shit level Semin had when he took the draw at center ice?
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I recall that play, yes.
I wasn’t critiquing Perreault, but since you asked, I will say that at a certain point, a player has to adjust to how a game is being called whether it be the refs and penalties or the linesman and faceoffs. Overall, the linesmen (or maybe it was just one of them) were a bit ridiculous with the faceoffs last night, one where people were yelling ‘just drop the puck’.
Thing is though, it’s not necessarily the center cheating that gets him tossed. If the wingers cheat in, the linesman tosses the center even though it was the wings encroaching.
by Murshawursha on Feb 14, 2012 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, exactly. He faked out the Caps C on the PK draw, tossed him, then did the same thing to Beagle and then warned him (I assume that was the discussion) about cheating again. Just drop it.
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He shouldn’t be waiting long enough for the new C to cheat. As soon as the guy gets to the dot he should be putting the puck down.
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by iwearstripes on Feb 14, 2012 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
I’m assuming it was extremely high?
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Did you see Ovi’s draw? I don’t think I’ve ever seen anything like it. He captured the puck in place, then skated forward with it. As if there wasn’t even an opposing player.
Hey, I do that all the time in NHL 12 so it must be easy… right?
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by _Skullduggery_ on Feb 14, 2012 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
In sort of related news regarding the linesmen, how many times did Perreault get thrown out of the faceoff circle last night? Seemed like a crazy number of times to my eyes.
(I apologize but I haven’t read the recap and comments from last night so maybe it was discussed there.)
The NBC guys did mention at one point that the linesmen last night were enforcing encroachment pretty hard.
by Murshawursha on Feb 14, 2012 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
Hershey news / AHL news:
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#AHL announces Boyd Kane suspended 3 games for boarding incident, Joel Rechlicz suspended 1 game for x-checking vs Worcester on 2-11. #hbh
Will the league make Rechlicz play the AHL All Star Game?
by Rather Bengt on Feb 14, 2012 10:55 AM EST up reply actions 6 recs
Just as a precaution, he’s suspended for the ECHL all-star game.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 14, 2012 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
interesting the French thinks Aucoin might just be paper transaction.
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As I noted earlier, have to send him down so the waiver counter counting number of days on NHL roster doesn’t keep ticking while Caps aren’t playing. Not sure he’ll be recalled, but I understand why French responded the way he did (note, he’s not the one who said paper transaction that was the reporter Leone.)
Hawks are spiraling… Toews and Kane apparently don’t get along. Kane available?
Wings could use a puck-moving defenseman, and a top-6 forward (don’t we all)… Laich/Wideman for…
Who’s going to set up Kane?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 14, 2012 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
Yep. This.
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by nogoodtrying on Feb 14, 2012 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
Considering the cost, there are other players I’d like to have a lot more than Das Partiboi.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 14, 2012 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
+1 sled.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 14, 2012 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
The bartender?
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by Cap-O-Vens on Feb 14, 2012 11:11 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
wait wait wait, Toews and Kane don’t get along?
Brooks Laich as a Wing would make me weep. That just wouldn’t be fair.
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That’s because you see him as the “team faceoff machine” ;).
by Rather Bengt on Feb 14, 2012 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
someone at the VC would be pissed that they wouldn’t be able to sell these shirts any more.
The taunting I would have to endure for losing Laich to the Wings would be insufferable. Absolutely insufferable. I can’t even contemplate it.
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What if we traded him for Darren Helm? I mean Helm is otherworldly according to Brazillians. (of course being agnostic, I am not sure I agree)
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by Rather Bengt on Feb 14, 2012 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
he’s Chimmy with worse hands and no snarl.
The only acceptable trade for Laich is Zetterberg, and that’s only if he grows his hair back out.
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Who would be the Wings’ equivalent to Laich? Danny Cleary perhaps?
by Rather Bengt on Feb 14, 2012 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
ummmmmm…..let me ask Mr. B. trying to think of a 2nd/3rd line guy that can play wing or center (half-way competently, even!), defense in a pinch, PP and PK units…..I won’t make “changed tires after crushing playoff disappoints” part of the criteria.
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And also let’s disregard the fact that Pavel Datsyuk can damn well do anything asked of him.
by Rather Bengt on Feb 14, 2012 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
Dump and chase doesn’t really work when the defenseman can toe drag and dangle through all 5 of your skaters…
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by iwearstripes on Feb 14, 2012 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
Pavel’s an MVP-caliber player. Brooks Laich? not so much. I’m trying to think of a $4 million guy, not first ballot hall of fame player Pavel Freaking Datsyuk.
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Salary-wise Franzen comes closest. But I don’t think I would put The Mule and Laich in the same boat talent wise.
by Rather Bengt on Feb 14, 2012 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
I wouldn’t either.
Mr. B says the Wings to have (and don’t need because they’re so deep) a guy like Laich. I’m asking him who he’d trade, straight up, for the man of Brian Engbolm’s dreams.
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by bigonetimer on Feb 14, 2012 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
The only thing that would make this season harder to stomach is if the team is a buyer before the deadline.
That – or if they give Hunter a 5 year contract extension.
Now I’m not saying I’d necessarily fire Hunter if nothing changes before April, but would McPhee ever consider pulling the trigger on him after half a season?
Normally I’d say no, but Hunter looks like he’s struggling worse than Ovie being asked to backcheck.
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Hunter’s contract runs through the end of this season. no need to fire, just don’t re-up.
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I hope not. Last night I asked if there’s a 90 day return policy for NHL coaches.
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I’ve said repeatedly that only Hunter can decide not to come back. You can’t judge a coach without an off-season.
Nice guys finish first, but sometimes the season is awfully long.
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Evidently Ted thinks they’re buyers at the deadline, according to the blog post linked in today’s Clips.
If they run the table on the roadies, then maybe.
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So I should root for them to lose?
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That’s up to you, I suppose.
We don’t really affect the decisions that the brass make, so do whatever floats your boat.
In my opinion, there’s only so much they can do by selling at the deadline. They’ll get back picks/prospects, probably not great ones, which will take at least a couple/three years to turn into NHL assets, if they do at all.
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Why is Rick Nash trending on twitter in DC? That’s so wrong.
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Would you rather have Hal Gill’s name trending instead? ;)
by Rather Bengt on Feb 14, 2012 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
On the plus side, the Caps have now gotten through 2+ periods at the VC without allowing a 90+ footer in their net.
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And I can’t wait to get on the road again.
by Rather Bengt on Feb 14, 2012 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
including:
4. Apparently, no GM is burning up the phone lines more than George McPhee. The Capitals face Canadian-franchise-level pressure to succeed.
Why? You don’t want him at least inquiring? He’s not pulling the trigger on desperation moves but he should do his due diligence.
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I mean, really.
He’s seeing what’s out there (and without actual context, who knows his posture?). Getting worked up about something that most likely will never happen and which we can’t possibly know yet seems an odd allocation of emotional resources.
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He could very well be burning up the lines trying to offload players
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by JediChewbacca on Feb 14, 2012 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, that’s what I meant about “his posture.”
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The phrase “[t]he Capitals face Canadian-franchise-level pressure to succeed.” indicates McPhee’s posture is as a buyer, non? I mean, if the Caps were just going to pack it in and give up expiring contracts, why mention the pressure to succeed?
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by Wheeler on Feb 14, 2012 11:49 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That’s certainly the implication, but there’s also pressure to succeed if they’re sellers – pressure to get make good deals and re-tool rather than re-build.
All I’m saying is that if that bullet sent you into a panic, you’re likely wound too tight. I’m thrilled to hear that GMGM is doing his job.
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Well he should feel pressure to succeed. And if they have any realistic indication that Nick and Green will play again, they could easily justify being buyers. But what’s the alternative? It’s not the time to quit on the season, and not trying anything is silly.
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Why? It is only February 14th, right? Have I been sucked into a time portal again?
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by nogoodtrying on Feb 14, 2012 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t see how that’s even a tenable position. There’s two weeks until the deadline. There is no point in quitting now over quitting in two weeks. The players you could trade now, you can trade then. Their value will only increase, if anything. We’ll know a lot more about whether Green is going to be back this season if we wait two weeks. It’d feel kind of shitty to sell Vokoun and Wideman today and then have Green return to health in ten days. Obviously you don’t want to gamble on Green getting healthy (I’m not), but quitting and selling now is high risk, no reward. Waiting 12 days to see what happens is low risk, possible reward.
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I don’t think it’s time to quit on the season, but I would hope that the focus would be on trades that would help in the future in addition to this season. Like a trade for Vermette you mention above. Trading assets for rentals doesn’t make sense to me at this point with basically zero probability that you’ll have a better idea about Nick’s availability between now and the deadline.
by Dirk Dangler on Feb 14, 2012 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t really care about the date – if the Caps get a good offer for a player like Vokoun or Wideman or Semin now, might as well take it. The team is about to embark on a road trip and in all likelihood, they’ll be out of the playoff picture by the time it’s done.
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“In all likelihood.” So why not wait for that to materialize? You know enough about how trades work in this league that you can’t really think that a deal for Vokoun would get pulled off the table in a week.
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Yeah. At this point we’re arguing about semantics and timing. I don’t think the season is salvageable at this point without a miraculous return to health by both Nick and Green. Even with that, neither of them is going to be in great shape when they return. If GMGM gets an amazing offer now, I wouldn’t mind if he took it, but I don’t see a huge downside in waiting.
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That’s because the meat of your argument is timing and semantics. You’re jumping the gun. We can agree that we still have some time, no?
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by nogoodtrying on Feb 14, 2012 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
Time? Sure. Do I think anything will change? Nope. Do I think that playing out the string has downside risks in the “trade deadline musical chairs” game? Yep.
I don’t really care if the Caps wait until after this weekend, or after this road trip.
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Do I think that playing out the string has downside risks in the "trade deadline musical chairs" game? Yep.
It also can increase the return, as dance partners pair off.
GMGM, Burkie, they all talk about how they don’t like to wait until the deadline to make moves because the prices are through the roof.
Guess what – when you’re selling, that’s a good thing.
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But they’re the uglies right now – the rush favors them.
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Does anyone know who those 3 root for the NHL?
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by JediChewbacca on Feb 14, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
I’d be shocked if good Toronto Boys didn’t cheer for the Leafs…
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by Alz in the family on Feb 14, 2012 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
Although I was born and raised (and still live) in the Toronto area, when it came to hockey fandom I chose a path that’s clear, I chose Free Will.
by Rather Bengt on Feb 14, 2012 1:59 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Was it a celestial voice or something?
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Rock the Red Barchetta.
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by Rob Parker on Feb 14, 2012 2:00 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
But in all seriousness, this is actually an amazing opportunity for the Caps. They’re probably nowhere near as bad as they’ve looked this year, but they still have a lot of parts that contending teams might be interested in. It’s not quite 06-07 Flyers, but it could provide a similar opportunity.
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Is that a small half-full glass you have in front of you? I can’t really make it out, but I think it is. Yes, it definitely might be.
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And 50% of that injury equation will be known in the next two weeks.
It’s not about a downside in waiting. There is literally no upside in moving early.
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I’ll dispute that there’s not necessarily any upside to moving early.
((NOTE: This situation is entirely hypothetical.))
Say George calls up CBJ and offers Vokoun and a first for Carter and CBJ accepts. If we make the deal now, it’s done. If we wait, there’s always the chance that the Rangers call up Howson and offer Lundquist, Gaborik, and Del Zotto for Carter between now and the deadline, which means George either A) loses out on Carter, or B) has to overpay.
Likely? Not necessarily. But pulling the trigger on a deal now could perhaps prevent us from having to engage in a bidding war closer to the deadline.
by Murshawursha on Feb 14, 2012 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
Ok. So aside from the Bizzaro world where Hank Lundqvist is on the market, there’s no downside.
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I think the worst possible scenario is that CBJ trades Carter and Nash to the Caps for Vokoun, Wideman, Knuble, Rechlicz and a 1st. Because that means Knuble would be benched for Rechlicz again.
by Rather Bengt on Feb 14, 2012 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
GMGM would break a leg tripping over his desk to fax that deal over to the league.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 14, 2012 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
And I hope you know I wasn’t serious in the least in saying it.
by Rather Bengt on Feb 14, 2012 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
Of course. ;)
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 14, 2012 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
Let me preface this by saying that I agree with your position that the Caps should wait a bit before selling, but I do think there is potential upside to selling now as there are more buyers and less sellers now than there will be at the deadline. Also, a trade now gives the buyer more time to utilize the acquired asset to make a run which may factor into their decision to make a trade or what to pay.
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The names were irrelevant. I was just trying to illustrate the point that making a move now could perhaps save us from having to overpay later. That’s all.
by Murshawursha on Feb 14, 2012 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
The names aren’t irrelevant. How many goalies are more attractive (in a hockey sense…) than Vokoun? Which of them is realistically available? So Vokoun is the prized goalie on the market, that’s not going to change in a week.
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I’m guessing Chicago would pay a nice price for him at this point.
by Dirk Dangler on Feb 14, 2012 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
Seabrook? He plays in the Calgary system.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 14, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
The hypothetical deal doesn’t have to involve a goalie. The point is nobody can try to one-up whatever it is we offer to anyone if we make a deal now.
by Murshawursha on Feb 14, 2012 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
If the hypothetical deal doesn’t involve a goalie, then it doesn’t impact the market for our biggest trading chip.
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Okay, fine. We offer Orlov and a second to CBJ for Vermette. If that happens now, it prevents someone from offering a comparable prospect and a first, forcing us to either up our offer to a first or throw in another prospect.
Point is, making a deal early lets us avoid a bidding war at the deadline.
by Murshawursha on Feb 14, 2012 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
You want a bidding war if you are a seller! We aren’t buyers, so bidding wars don’t scare. We want CHI and DET and whatever other team isn’t sure about their goaltending to get into a bidding war.
Orlov? Why would you move him? This would be a mini-rebuild where you collect cost-controlled assets like Orlov. The guys that would move are veterans on expiring deals with no future with the team.
Please, call me F&B.
I could see us trying to buy a legit 2C like Carter if it’s out there, no?
by Murshawursha on Feb 14, 2012 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
Sure, but that’s totally a separate issue from “buy or sell” and the timing. This team has needed a 2C for years now. It has to be solved. Whenever that opportunity comes up you take it, but that’s not because this team is having a crap dog season and the deadline is 2 weeks away.
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Fair. Seems like we’re arguing in different contexts.
by Murshawursha on Feb 14, 2012 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
Theoretically the element of uncertainty (i.e., the Caps might still make the playoffs at this juncture) might give GMGM more leverage now. Whereas if he waits two weeks and the Caps are 10 points out, then he’s obviously a seller.
In reality I tend to doubt that scenario plays out. Waiting until deadline pressure grows is almost always a defensible move in this game.
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I have to agree. The holes are there, and filling them for this year with veterans won’t likely mean a big enough change. However, filling the holes for the future can be very beneficial.
Think about it: they still have a very impressive core of players, and are in the very lucky situation of having the ability to trade away some talent to get younger talent and picks. Combine that with what they have with their own and Colorado’s pick, some salary flexibility in the offseason, and while this season is shot, it’s not like this is going to be a long-term rebuild.
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by Rather Bengt on Feb 14, 2012 12:20 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Getting worked up about something that most likely will never happen and which we can’t possibly know yet seems an odd allocation of emotional resources.
Nobody is “worked up.”
"By far the worst performers on the (R*dskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
That is incredibly depressing.
Being incredibly depressed is an elevated emotional state in my book.
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Many of us think that trading away assets for short term gain would make a bad season worse.
A proposition worth getting depressed over for some of us, were it to happen.
Whether that goes beyond your semantic threshold I don’t know.
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You don’t think anybody is “worked up” on this forum? You ain’t right in the head.
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by nogoodtrying on Feb 14, 2012 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
Settle down – no need for that.
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You’re getting worked up!
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 14, 2012 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
I’m as relaxed as Nate Newton on horse tranquilizers sitting on a Carribean beach after a full-body massage.
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by J.P. on Feb 14, 2012 12:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Depends on who’s giving the full-body massage. And how many of them it takes to massage a person of Mr. Newton’s size.
Extremely OT, but the best Newton story ever was how he hid candy bars under his jersey sometimes, and one flew out in the middle of a game when he got hit.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 14, 2012 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
The imagery is overwhelming.
Can’t it be be “as relaxed as Elle MacPherson sipping a Cuervo Gold margarita while receiving a full-body massage on a nude beach”?
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Boy, REALLY showing the ol’ age there with the Elle MacPherson ref. LOL.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 14, 2012 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
Hey!! I saw her on the preview for that Jessica Simpson fashion star show. She still looks good.
Plus she’s closer to my age, which, um, makes it more likely for me, right?
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Sorry. Nate Newton is still more likely.
by Dirk Dangler on Feb 14, 2012 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
Sure. About as likely as Jessica Alba is interested in pudgy, married hockey bloggers.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 14, 2012 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
You never know.
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your forgot the “and a banana sized dubie hanging from his mouth.”
by Dirk Dangler on Feb 14, 2012 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
He’s that big a fan of Dubinsky?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 14, 2012 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
DON’T TELL ME TO SETTLE DOWN.
But seriously, I love that we get worked up, it was a negative thing. Is that wrong of me?
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by nogoodtrying on Feb 14, 2012 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
All GMs talk to each other and I assume more frequently leading up to the trade deadline, but I think it’s interesting in the McPhee maneuvering is usually on close to silent-mode. Obviously, not all other organizations and GMs operate the same way.
From my perspective, no reason to stress or say ugh, I want GMGM to be in on discussions; doesn’t mean I want to see a firesale, but something needs to change with this team, and IMO, that’s the case even if Green and Backstrom are healthy (please, pretty please).
However, I do wonder what’s going to happen and how McPhee is approaching the next 13 days leading up to the trade deadline on 2/27 given the play of the team, Green’s possible return and Backstrom not skating as of current reports.
Of course.
My biggest point of curiousity is how GMGM approaches the deadline, whether it’s as a GM needing a hail mary to save his job or the same/similar methodical, long-view approach. I’m not sure we’ll really know the difference, ultimately, but I wonder if he’s feeling heat and if that heat will play into his maneuvering.
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Definitely wondering the same things regarding the deadline. I don’t read the owner’s blog, but someone mentioned at the game last night the blog entry about being buyers, which I assume is the same one linked to in the clips above.
Don’t understand the reason for an owner to publish something like that within 2 weeks of a trading deadline?
There is always the perception of value in the marketplace. If the Caps make a trade that is of perceived value that gets them farther towards a Cup, I think a lot of folks here would support it.
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Curious, I agree with the concept of perceived value, I’m not against the Caps making a deal if it’s not a ‘hail mary why the heck did they do that type deal’, but how does this relate to Leonsis talking on the topic at this time?
Maybe I responded to the wrong post? Not sure.
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It’s the worst side of Ted’s otherwise laudable outreach efforts. He should STFU around the deadline.
Cross check and all call.
by bigonetimer on Feb 14, 2012 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
Don’t understand the reason for an owner to publish something like that within 2 weeks of a trading deadline?
I took it as, “the owner is always going to put on an optimistic public face, especially short term” as in, “I think our team has promise this year so maybe we’ll add some talent”
"By far the worst performers on the (R*dskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
Why? You don’t want him at least inquiring? He’s not pulling the trigger on desperation moves but he should do his due diligence.
I do in fact want him inquiring. Do I want him to be the most active GM out there, presumably looking to add talent (which is what that quote suggests)?
No.
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Why would you possibly not want the GM of your favorite team to add more talent?
by DonnieKnutts on Feb 14, 2012 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
Erixon and Anisimov would be better for CBJ. And Carter would be better than Nash.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 14, 2012 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 14, 2012 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
I’ve been of the opinion that GMGM is not the type to buy heavily during a season like this. He’s just too conservative. So I hope he doesn’t prove me wrong.
by wickedwitch on Feb 14, 2012 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
That’s cringeworthy.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 14, 2012 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, there’s not a lot of (legal) behavior that you can do to piss me off more than treating service industry workers like shit.
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Absolutely. It makes him look like the Douchiest Douche of the Duchy of Douchey.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 14, 2012 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
It’s not like he can’t afford it. He’s not Precious running away with a bucket of fried chicken.
Please, call me F&B.
I hope someone slings a frying pan at him.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 14, 2012 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
There are articles on this since it broke weeks ago. From what I recall no one was able to substantiate the rumors. Doesn’t mean it isn’t true.
20. Edmonton’s power-play is third in the NHL, around 22 per cent with or without Ryan Nugent-Hopkins in the lineup. (He has 15 extra-man assists.) Was talking to associate coach Ralph Krueger, who runs it, and he shared an interesting philosophy: “Everybody talks about the quarterback being back at the point. But, if you look at the truly great powerplays, they are led by a dangerous player off the hashmark.” Krueger feels the Oilers have two such bodies — Nugent-Hopkins and Sam Gagner. The one-timer options (Jordan Eberle, Corey Potter) give them room to move.
Please, call me F&B.
But Ovi plays on the poi……wait a minute….
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 14, 2012 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
The Caps “dangerous player off the hashmark” is currently sitting on an exercise bike, waiting for the fog to clear from his head.
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Woohoo or should I say “ugh”, more lack of organizational communication with goalies.
Whyno and Carrera reporting via twitter that no one told him that he’d be starting or that he wouldn’t be starting, just left to assume he was starting since Vokoun wasn’t feeling well.
I saw that and my reaction was “great, the Caps managed to find a coach who handles goalies worse than Boudreau!”
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Not the first time with Hunter either, although I can’t remember which game it was when I thought that.
So far, I’m just not impressed with him. I want to be, given his pedigree, but I’m just not feeling it.
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“I don’t talk to the goalies”
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 14, 2012 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
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Hunter on Michal Neuvirth: ""If he was standing on his head every night, would Braden be playing?" #Caps
Can this relationship be saved?
"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."
Hunter: “Meh, he doesn’t understand English anyway”.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 14, 2012 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
Wow. WOW
Hunter on Neuvy “It’s one of those things where if he was standing on his head every night, would Braden be playing? No”
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It sure isn’t, IMO. As long as Hunter is saying this to Neuvy directly behind the scenes, I’ve no problem with this quote.
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And define every night. All the talk about how the Vokoun acquisition may or may not have affected Holtby’s psyche, I think it’s done far more to Neuvy.
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so you go with the AHLer who didn’t get a chance to practice with the team and played the night before?
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“We want him to understand that, most times, his first thought — the simple play, the easy play — is the correct one. It’s when he overthinks that he gets into trouble…When you make the simple play, your teammates know what you’re going to do. When you don’t, they can’t support properly because they’re unsure of where you’re going.”
From God’s lips to Semin’s ears.
Unleash the Apathy.
WHere is this from? Can you provide the link?
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by CapsFan2020 on Feb 14, 2012 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
Hunter on Knuble: “Train hard out here, so when you do get back in you’re ready to go. Show me that I made a mistake. That’s what I want.”
I’ll leave it to the rest of you to point out the multitude of ways in which Dale Hunter has seemed to mismanage this team.
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I don’t see the problem with that quote. I agree with it 100%.
by Dirk Dangler on Feb 14, 2012 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah it seems reasonable enough to me.
I’m not really understanding all the rage over Knuble being scratched. He straight up has not been very good, and has had very little impact when he’s played.
I can buy the argument that he’s being misused, but that’s not all on Hunter seeing as Bruce was using him the same way.
by Murshawursha on Feb 14, 2012 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
it’s not so much the Knuble scratch as I’ve still yet to see much of anything that convinces me that Hunter has what it takes to coach in the NHL. I’m immensely disappointed in how he’s handled this team (and, by extension, GMGM. Really, calling up Rechlitz?)
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by RedBirdie on Feb 14, 2012 12:23 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Arguably, Rechlitz is going to contribute more than Knuble. Neither is going to have much effect in the time they spend on the ice, and at least Rechlitz has the whole deterrence factor going for him.
I’m not 100% sold on Hunter either, but I’m not quite ready to hang him yet.
by Murshawursha on Feb 14, 2012 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
How does Rechlicz contribute anything? Keeping in mind, I don’t buy this “If he sit him on the bench and tell him to look real mean, it’ll deter the other team” line of thinking. The guy got a 10 minutes because he was pulling bush-league antics while on the bench.
Neither Knuble or Aucoin could have contributed something? When Rechlicz plays, someone, usually Ovechkin, is going to get double shifted. hunter and I have very different feelings on riding top players right into the ground.
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by RedBirdie on Feb 14, 2012 12:33 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
agree
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by caps_shutterbug on Feb 14, 2012 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
Riding his top players in mid February, assuring they’ll be worthless come late April.
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by bagace on Feb 14, 2012 12:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If Rechlicz isn’t on the bench, and Winchester takes another run at somebody, perhaps nobody does anything, or perhaps Ovie or another important player may step up and defend him, removing an important player from the ice in what might be a critical juncture of the game.
If Rechlicz is on the bench, Winchester knows that if he takes a liberty, somebody’s definitely going to be coming to exact a pound of flesh. Maybe that deters him, maybe it doesn’t. But if it doesn’t and he runs a guy anyway, at least it’s Reichlicz going out, risking a fight-related injury, and sitting in the box for 5 minutes, because Rechlicz in the box is not going to have a significantly negative effect on our chances to win.
I’ll give you the bit about riding star players to compensate, but it seems like Hunter does that anyway, especially when we really need goals.
by Murshawursha on Feb 14, 2012 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
Rechlicz is a deck chair. Feel free to discuss the pattern all you (the general you, not “you” you) want, but the ship’s going down regardless.
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F’real. Arguing Rechliz vs Knuble is like arguing about the pattern of the upholstery on the deck chair.
Unleash the Apathy.
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by Rob Parker on Feb 14, 2012 1:09 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Someone likes mud on their tires.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 14, 2012 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
Not quite. Even an aging Knuble in the lineup eats up more minutes than Recker. That gives someone a breather.
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The PK mention above is one I didn’t think of, and does add somewhat to Knuble’s value in the lineup. And looking at his stats he’s been playing over 10 minutes in his past few games. So I’ll concede that one too.
by Murshawursha on Feb 14, 2012 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
That’s kind of my point, I view it as a wash, and I don’t understand why everybody’s getting so up in arms about Rech being in the lineup over a guy who’s barely going to play anyway. I know it comes off like I’m defending him, but that’s mostly just because everyone seems to hate him so much. Really I could care less who’s in the 4W slot, because they’re not going to get much ice time anyway. Hell, I could play 4W for the Caps and not significantly impact their chances.
No what I’m trying to say is… Who cares?
by Murshawursha on Feb 14, 2012 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
What is this obsession with Winchester? I watch San Jose every game and he doesn’t scare the mascot. Geez. And, oh by the way, the last time I look Ovi could take care of himself.
When the Caps played the Sharks in San Jose, he ran Semin and got Ovie to commit a retaliatory penalty. I think he also tried to run Ovie a few times.
Failure is always an option.
Maybe Hunter should stop setting his lineup to match guys like Winchester, and focus more on guys like Pavelski, Thornton, and Marleau. Then again, it is tough to focus on those 3 when you have to worry about a world-class talent like Brad Wincheter.
by UMDTerps3 on Feb 14, 2012 1:10 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I had the same reaction to the comments and the decision but have seen the comments about how BW played last game in San Jose. As to whether fewer liberties were actually taken during the game, don’t know.
I also agree to an extent on the ‘deck chair’ comments, but still I would have preferred bringing up a player who might be able to provide some energy and scoring.
And he’s not even the best Winchester in the game. He’s the second most talented Winchester in terms of both physical skills and mental skills.
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by Rob Parker on Feb 14, 2012 1:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Anyone who thinks about running one of our guys can be substituted for Winchester. That’s just the name I picked because it’s the one that’s been brought up the most often in this context.
by Murshawursha on Feb 14, 2012 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
Ok; understood. But, I think the more general point is that instead of dicking around with Rechlcz and guys like Winchester, we wish our coach was worrying more about guys like, well, Pavelski, Marleau, St. Louis, Callahan, Malkin, etc. etc. who are the ones responsible for our precipitous droppings in the standings.
…and how much of an effect is either 4W going to be against any of those guys? Rechlicz vs. Knuble is largely irrelevant when it comes to containing any of those guys.
So again, why do we care?
by Murshawursha on Feb 14, 2012 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
If Rechlicz is on the bench, Winchester knows that if he takes a liberty, somebody’s definitely going to be coming to exact a pound of flesh.
You say “somebody’s definitely going to be coming to exact a pound of flesh”; I say “somebody’s definitely going to be coming to give Winchester a chance to justify his NHL existence.”
by David Getz on Feb 14, 2012 1:18 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Nope. Not with you. This is exactly what he should say. That’s called preaching responsibility and maturity.
It holds for every workplace in the world from an ice rink to an office in downtown DC. If you aren’t selected for a game/role, then show the coach/boss that he/she made a mistake. We have a phrase at my company for this. It’s called “preparedness meets opportunity.”
And, as Rob pointed out to me yesterday, it’s not like the world is a meritocracy anyway.
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My issue is that I don’t think Knuble is going to get faster at his age by training harder. From all reports and watching him, he was / is as in shape as he’s going to be physically. As to production, yes, it’s been an issue.
Also, I want to hear the Hunter press conf if on the video player later for context for the comments, but one of the reporters noted he said Knuble was also scratched so they could get faster; um, yeah, not if Rechlicz was the player dressed in place of him.
Knuble didn’t tell him, at least in this quote, to get faster or to train harder.
What I interpreted was – work hard in practice and work your way back on to the team. I’ve no problem with that.
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I see the problem with Knuble as that he doesn’t fit the role the team needs him to on the 4th line. There’s no way he’s a Cap next year if Hunter is back here because he doesn’t want to be a guy who only plays 5 minutes a night. For this reason, I think GMGM should at least put him out there for discussion. Despite his poor season, he’s a good teammate, and a hard worker with an expiring contract, which is why he’d be attractive to at least a few teams. I’d take a prospect, pick, or even a replacement 4th liner that fits Hunter’s coaching style better in return.
I said one of the reporters noted – it was on twitter- that he said something about wanting a faster line-up. There were a lot of tweets out of his post practice talk today, hope to listen to it later if it is posted.
Saw that and was much less crazy about that statement than the one RB shows above.
by Dirk Dangler on Feb 14, 2012 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
That may work on teenages but you need a bit more class to work with all the adults on this team. He just keeps proving to me that this team was doomed the day they brought him on. Don’t get me wrong great player (thats his jersy in my avator) but NHL coach, not so much.
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by caps_shutterbug on Feb 14, 2012 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t agree. This type of direct, honest feedback is required in all workplaces.
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I agree with this. It’s a much better thing to know where you stand than to sit in the dark waiting all the time. The latter just drags on you so much.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 14, 2012 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
I’d want that direct, honest feedback to be taking place privately.
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Agreed. I’m hoping that it is. But, the Caps live in a public world, so I have no problem with sharing.
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Hunter’s not be forthcoming before today, and suddenly he’s all but throwing two guys under the bus. This is really rubbing me the wrong way.
then again, I give Hunter the same benefit of the doubt I give to the NBC hockey broadcast crew.
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by RedBirdie on Feb 14, 2012 12:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Where’s the bus throwing? Practice better, play better.
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by Bald Pollack on Feb 14, 2012 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
But, can’t we give everyone a trophy? I mean the team finished 1-12, but they played really, really hard.
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Thanks, coach!!
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Wait until the draft comes here for that my friend.
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Tied for the regular season league lead!
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Didn’t we want a coach who preached accountability?
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There it is.

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by Bald Pollack on Feb 14, 2012 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
aka?
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I have no problem with sharing; I hope communications are taking place within the organization.
Thinking about the Neuvirth situation yesterday:
Sure, Neuvirth made an assumption he shouldn’t have that he was starting, but if they had recalled Holtby and planned to have him start why wouldn’t they have told Neuvirth?
Not sure on that one. Makes no sense to me either.
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Just clarifying this is my issue with the communications. We don’t know what has been said privately since Neuvirth learned he wasn’t starting, my reaction is to the apparent lack of communication yesterday.
And wasn’t it just a few weeks ago when everyone was applauding the Caps organization for letting TV29 and MN30 know in advance who would be playing when?
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Vokoun said Hunter has given the goaltenders advance notice recently who will be starting, which offers a chance for them to better prepare mentally for an upcoming contest. "He told me when we landed in Montreal, Michal’s going to play in Montreal and I’m going to play in Carolina," Vokoun said. "It’s nice to know like that, you know what to expect."
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I’ve had the feeling for weeks now that Hunter et al. started out well, communication included, but has since regressed. Too many baffling descisions, possible poor communication with some players, and tone deaf comments have happened lately.
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Normally I’d agree, but I put some of this on Knuble. He’s been way to forthcoming with his disappointment in the media for my liking, particularly given his vet status. If Knuble wants to air his issues with the media, more power to Dale to give it back to him.
by Dirk Dangler on Feb 14, 2012 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
I believe in direct honest feedback, but I don’t think Hunter does this on a consistant manner. Knuble is a hard working player and has been demoted in Hunters game plan. Just saying his benchings have had me puzzled.
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by caps_shutterbug on Feb 14, 2012 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
I think you are making an assumption about Hunter’s communication without a foundation. We have no idea what he says in the locker room.
Several players, notably Carlson and Alzner and Hendricks have commented about the fact that the players always know where they stand with Hunter.
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Well, there’s at least one who didn’t know until this morning.
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That would be who?
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Who?
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by caps_shutterbug on Feb 14, 2012 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, us veteran goalies need to be treated like GAM.
Signed,
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by Bald Pollack on Feb 14, 2012 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
Aye.
I mean honestly, it’s a guy who was mad about not playing. It happened in the last administration and will happen again in this and future ones.
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by Bald Pollack on Feb 14, 2012 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
Happens in every workplace on the planet. And, I agree, treat us like GAM.
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But not like GAM GAM. We don’t all need the mark of the whore.
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by Rob Parker on Feb 14, 2012 12:36 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
I’m now officially lost.
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Or else we’ll be HAM.
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by Bald Pollack on Feb 14, 2012 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
Hopefully rum ham.
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by Rob Parker on Feb 14, 2012 12:38 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
HAM. Doesn’t pass kosher laws.
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I’d rather be Shem. Or Japheth.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 14, 2012 12:40 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
GAM?
"Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity"
by caps_shutterbug on Feb 14, 2012 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
GAM?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 14, 2012 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
The accidental double-post makes it funnier.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 14, 2012 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
Dunno what you mean.
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by Bald Pollack on Feb 14, 2012 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
ABUSE OF POWER!!!!!!
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 14, 2012 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
The part that gets me is:
Train hard out hereIt seems to call into question Knuble’s training. I’ve seen nothing during practices that indicates Knuble isn’t training hard.
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My point exactly, couldn’t agree more
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by caps_shutterbug on Feb 14, 2012 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
I think you are reading too much between the lines.
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It could be a general comment. Or a specific one. Either way, I’ll defer to Dale’s take on the matter rather than yours or mine – he has a slightly better view.
And there’s nothing in the recent history of coverage of this team that would lead me to believe that a player’s poor training habits would be reported.
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by J.P. on Feb 14, 2012 12:50 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I think I just saw a couple of stray wheels rolling down 7th street, any idea where they came from?
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Is Dale Hunter a straight shooter or simply insensitive? Yes and yes
Might be the first time I agree with Gormley.
"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."
Although insensitive might not be the word I was looking for. But close.
"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."
This is like break-up day reading the tweets from the reporters. Bizarro land.
Whyno now tweeting Knuble comments.
#Caps’ Knuble: “If it’s not irritating you and you’re not thinking about your options, the you might as well stop playing then.”
MK22 “If a player is not going to be used or in the near future, if you dont have plans, then that player probably wouldnt want to be there”
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Knuble: “And if you can’t do it in one place, then you’ve got to go.”
by Dirk Dangler on Feb 14, 2012 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
Here’s hoping that Hunter respects the comment, having been in a similar spot in his career, and either trades him or plays him.
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Call up Terry Fraser to make sure nobody says mean things.
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by Rob Parker on Feb 14, 2012 12:49 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Bet he can’t wait to get out of here. Hopefully he sheds some light on the country club culture that’s seemingly been pervasive up until the last two weeks of his tenure in DC on the way out. It’ll make me feel good.
Except it is the culture that he’s been a part of for a couple of years and didn’t seem to have a problem until he was scratched.
by Gin and Tonic on Feb 14, 2012 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
It would seem that Knuble is asking for a trade, without actually saying so. If he was worth anything before, he’s probably worth zero now.
"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."
If you think the Caps would trade the Pens Mike Knuble for a 6/7, I’ll have some of what you’re having.
Please, call me F&B.
I’m just Knuble’s just jumping for a Bruce reunion.
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Shero would think the Caps were playing some kind of joke on him. “OK, where’s Bieber?”
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 14, 2012 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
Damn man, stop being Jimmy Two Times.
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by Bald Pollack on Feb 14, 2012 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
The Rink’s been acting up on me the last couple weeks. Not sure if it’s my network or my browser.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 14, 2012 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
At this point, I think GMGM “owes” Knuble one of those “thank-you” trades to a Cup contender.
Unleash the Apathy.
I told a friend tehe same thing last night.
by Rather Bengt on Feb 14, 2012 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
Knuble would be helping his cause in that regard if he’d keep his mouth shut. I’m guessing GMGM can be one vindictive SOB.
by Dirk Dangler on Feb 14, 2012 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
Winnipeg and Columbus are crappy places to finish a career.
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Edmonton. Tampa. Minnesota.
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Tampa’s not so bad. Olie liked it so much he moved there.
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he didn’t have to play for Scar Face and the Throbbing Scar of Doom.
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Lucky bastard got to play for Janet Jones-Gretzky’s gambling buddy instead.
by Rather Bengt on Feb 14, 2012 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
Winnipeg and Columbus are crappy placesto finish a career.
FTFY
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by J.P. on Feb 14, 2012 12:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
And I don’t think GMGM would go that far. But I could see him saying “Calgary is offering a 4th, the Bruins a 5th, so I’m taking the best deal” vs “Knuble has earned the right to play for another Cup so I’ll take less return.”
by Dirk Dangler on Feb 14, 2012 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed. NFW that happens (I hope to God).
by Dirk Dangler on Feb 14, 2012 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
Can you imagine any scenario at all where the Caps and Pens make a trade?
"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."
None at all
Jaromir Jagr traded to Washington by Pittsburgh with Frantisek Kucera for Kris Beech, Michal Sivek, Ross Lupaschuk and future considerations, July 11, 2001
by Rather Bengt on Feb 14, 2012 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
Our nation’s capital turns its lonely eyes to you.
by Rather Bengt on Feb 14, 2012 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
That’s in the past. I meant now.
"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."
Evegni Malkin traded to Washington by Pittsburgh with Frantisek Kucera for Kris Beech, Michal Sivek, Ross Lupaschuk and future considerations, February 14, 2012.
by Rather Bengt on Feb 14, 2012 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
Columbus would be particularly brutal for a UM product. you know, in case you really wanted to drive home the point and rub a handful of salt in the wound while you’re at it.
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You mean Columbus, home of next year’s NHL All Start shenanigans? That Columbus?
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by nogoodtrying on Feb 14, 2012 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
Am I the only one soured on Knuble over the last year+ (but especially this season). He simply hasn’t been the same player, but his attitude would make you think he’s a top liner.
Seriously, I’m just not buying any of this ‘great locker room guy’ crap anymore.
Want to act like a diva? Columbus looks like a GREAT opportunity.
by TFG on Feb 14, 2012 12:58 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
OT: Claude Lemieux’s son tweeting that he’s committing to play college hockey at UND. It will be interesting to see if he actually goes that route.
I think trading Knuble now would be a huge mistake. Forget the stats, fancy or otherwise, the guy is due for a hot streak. He was getting his chances, just not burying him. The guy came into camp in tremendous shape and to my eye looks a step quicker this year than last. I can easily see him going on a tear or making a Joel Ward-like run in the playoffs…if we make it there. Let him go after this season if you must, but consistent 20 goal scorers do not grow on trees, folks.
Hunter is pissing him off and for a while I thought that might be a good thing, but our media is not helping by making it seem like a shit storm. If you keep shoving mics in Knuble’s face and ask “hey, how do you feel about being benched?” what the hell do you think he’s going to say? Look at how much better one Mr. Shultz looks after eating some nachos in the pressbox. If Hunter doesn’t put him in in the next 2-3 games, then he will have lost me. Of course the old man might be traded by then anyway…argh.
Some would argue he’s already been a hot streak this season.
Would he be the first 39 year old ever to gain a step?
It’s tough to call him a consistent 20 goal scorer anymore. He’s not going to reach that number this year and he’s at an age where a drop off is expected.
BB had him benched, too.
Has 55 been much better?
Please, call me F&B.
How the hell would anyone figure he’s already had a hot streak? Obviously he won’t hit the 20G mark this year, but I think it’s clear he still has the potential to be more productive than 3G a year. His benching is Hunter trying to light a fire under his ass.
Re: 55, I’d say clearly yes. He closes the gap better, his positioning is better, he’s more physical on the boards, and he’s making smarter decisions with the puck. I can’t think of a goal that he’s been at fault for since being re-inserted in the lineup.
I simply disagree that Schultz has shown such a drastic change in his game this quickly.
And I think you misread my Knuble quip.
Please, call me F&B.
The sample is just too small. Schultz has shown every one of the skills you described before the benching. You may have noticed it of late, but to make that jump to assigning credit to the benching? Seems too soon to say. When he makes a soft play or blows a gap is he going to be back to that old oaf people used to rip on? How can you separate a few good games from a drastic change in his game? Which seems more likely?
Please, call me F&B.
With Shultz, it’s not just the fact that he was benched (which I guess doesn’t make a good comparison to the Knuble situation). He’s spent extensive one-on-one time with Johnson, who basically said he’s been trying to reform Shultz. I completely agree that Shultz has shown all those characteristics earlier this season (you can certainly make an argument for past seasons). Quite simply, he looks a step quicker and more aggressive than I’ve ever seen him. That’s not to say he went from laughable oaf to all-star caliber, but he does look better since getting extra practice with Johnson/being scratched.
Or maybe he’s running on adrenaline. Or just getting lucky (although that shot last night surely wasn’t luck…).
Between the tiny sample size and the notorious inaccuracy of eyewitness testimony, I don’t think any of us can say anything meaningful about what the benching has done for 55. It’s going to be a battle of narratives informed by your pre-existing opinion of the guy.
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Probably should read “he’s already been due for a hot streak this season,” if I had to guess.
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No. He’s been a hot streak. The kind you leave in your underpants.
He’s not among the best forwards PKing (and looks like he’s facing second units).
Everyone likes Knuble. He’s been a fan favorite on several teams. He’s had a very good career. But there’s nothing to suggest that he’s being done a huge injustice by being healthy scratched. I appreciate that it sucks for him. But look at the three links above and tell me which one indicates he has to get a sweater.
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by Rob Parker on Feb 14, 2012 2:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree, which is why I supported his benching. But I think 3 games is enough to get the point across, he should be re-inserted sooner than later.
What if it’s not to send a message? What if it’s just because he’s not good and the coach doesn’t think he’s going to help the team win?
Please, call me F&B.
I don’t think that’s the case. But if does in fact, suck at this point, then of course it’s the correct move to keep him out of the lineup.
I don’t agree with all of Vogs’ blog here, but this sums up my feelings on Knuble:
The Caps never led against the Rangers or the Sharks, and having an eight-time 20-goal getter – even one in the throes of a career-long slump – doesn’t help you when you’re trying to mount a comeback if he’s sitting in the press box.
I should clarify…I think benching him for those 2 games mentioned is fine…but I think the old man still has some gas in the tank.
True. But benching him yesterday in favor of Rechlicz, now that’s a move I do not favor, not one little bit. And, let’s say, that if I were in Knuble’s shoes and it happened to me, I would be mighty pissed, to say the least.
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To that, I respond that having a 4-time 50-goal scorer out on the ice didn’t help much either.
Track record does have some value, but in this case, I think it’s pretty clear Knuble is not the player he once was.
Just because a guy has done something in the past doesn’t mean he can do so again.
by Murshawursha on Feb 14, 2012 2:31 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
In this case though, its at least a little about whose being put in his place.
by Capital_Ram91 on Feb 14, 2012 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
I still think it’s essentially a wash. Hunter barely uses his 4th line either way.
by Murshawursha on Feb 14, 2012 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
and I agree with this. However, I still feel like a veteran who is under performing still has a better chance of doing something with limited Ice time.
by Capital_Ram91 on Feb 14, 2012 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
I’d argue that putting MP on the first PP unit would have had a greater impact than changing who was on the fourth line.
Please, call me F&B.
Ah, we agree! Putting MarJo, who seems to lose that ever-critical 1st draw, on the first line PP drives me f-ing nuts.
Can someone tell me why DH and Halpern can’t teach MarJo how to win a fucking faceoff?
by Gin and Tonic on Feb 14, 2012 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
Should have just said faceoff. Now I will get no serious answers.
by Gin and Tonic on Feb 14, 2012 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t think it’s a quick fix. He’s gotta work on it over a few years and then he can one day be respectable at it.
Please, call me F&B.
Curiosity question: Was he listed as a center when he was drafted, or did the Caps convert him?
by Murshawursha on Feb 14, 2012 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
From info I’m seeing, he was moved to center while in the SEL, but was originally a winger. That was in 2009-10, so it was just after he got drafted.
Failure is always an option.
Shouldn’t we see at least some improvement over last year?
Extra sessions with DH or DE couldn’t hurt.
by Gin and Tonic on Feb 14, 2012 5:50 PM EST up reply actions
And, may God have mercy on me for bringing the “exciting” burning hot topic of the day among the local press, this is exactly why the Redskins should stay a million miles away from Peyton Manning, in spite of Sally Jenkins’ love letter.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 14, 2012 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
Unless rumors about his contract demands being pretty low and dependent on him proving he’s healthy are true. If so, sign him and still draft a young guy.
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by Davethecapsfan on Feb 14, 2012 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
Doesn’t the Recher callup kind of negate the “he’s not good and the coach doesn’t think he’s going to help the team win” argument? And if DH thinks Recher IS going to help the team win, there are much bigger problems.
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Not really. They are completely different players. Knuble isn’t a checker, he’s not scoring like a top 6, and he doesn’t bring even theoretical intimidation. Even if we don’t like the enforcer role, there’s at least a plausible argument that a guy that can do that in less than 2 minutes of ice is bringing something that a guy who can’t play top 6 and isn’t really a bottom 6 player is going to bring.
Please, call me F&B.
Look how many goals Schultz scores with Knuble out of the lineup!
by Rather Bengt on Feb 14, 2012 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
Was anybody near the Caps tunnel as the game ended last night? Anyone know the reason why there was a delay with the team leaving the ice last night?
Caps fan probably jumped from the upper deck.
by Dirk Dangler on Feb 14, 2012 2:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
They only allow NHL players into the locker rooms, and there was some confusion when the Caps tried to get back there.
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by sydtron on Feb 14, 2012 2:12 PM EST up reply actions 13 recs
I saw a mention on the caps subreddit that some glass fell on one of our players but they were unable to tell who it was.
by Capital_Ram91 on Feb 14, 2012 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
But he CAN fail at winning. So there’s that.
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Only ’cause the Sedin twins are really only one person.
by creasemonkey on Feb 14, 2012 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
My initial reaction to contract extensions makes me think I have to recalibrate my expectations for many of these. The latest is for Boychuk. My reaction: overpayment.
CSNNE.com confirms Johnny Boychuk has signed a 3-year extension w/Boston Bruins. An average annual salary of $3.36 M per season
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How much do you think Wideman’s going to be asking for this offseason?
Gotta think something over 5 no?
Wideman? A lot. Current cap hit, just under 4M; current salary 4.5M. Turns 29yo in March
It’s worth noting that Wideman’s current contract was given to him while he played for Boston.
Wideman’s going to go to the bank. Hell, Wisniewski got 6 and 33 for 10/41/51 last year. Wides has only played 56 year and he’s got 10/28/38, and has pretty much shouldered the entire offensive burden on the back end.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 14, 2012 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
One thing I do know, is that Wideman wants to stay here. I had a long conversation with his fiance a while ago and she told me that they both love it here and love the Caps organization and are hoping to stay.
I’d sign him back in a heartbeat if he’s willing to keep his current salary.
by Murshawursha on Feb 14, 2012 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
After this Boychuk contract, it makes me even more interested to see what Garrison on FLA will fetch.
by Rather Bengt on Feb 14, 2012 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
I know there was the recent article, I believe by Strickland, but I think how much Garrison’s scoring has cooled off is going to impact his payday given age, career to date, etc. Will a team overpay for him, likely, but I still refuse to believe the crazy numbers I was reading in that piece.
The few times I’ve watched that guy play, he’s got a hell of a shot, but he can’t hit the broadside of a barn.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 14, 2012 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
Also, you have to talk about combination of term and dollars when discussing numbers, not just a dollar or cap hit figure when discussing what a player will want, team will pay.
There are plenty of unknowns with the September 2012 CBA expiration, too.
Guess that’s the end of Wideman’s Caps tenure then…..
Interesting how cheap the Caps were able to get him from Florida.
Pretty much for just Hauswirth, right?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 14, 2012 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
Hauswirth and a third. Florida took Jonathan Racine from Shawnigan with that third round pick.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 14, 2012 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
3rd round pick?
"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."
I am a big Wides fan and would like to keep him here. The numbers look pretty bad, though. He’s looking at least $5M, I’m sure, and unless some other money is moved, I don’t see how he can fit (here’s hoping that GMGM is planning to dump as much ‘dead money’ as possible as we speak). The problem, though, is if Greenie doesn’t come back or continues to get hurt all the time, who picks up on the offense from the backside. Carlson’s coming along and Orlov is too, but we can’t count on big numbers from them for another year or so.
Without looking at advanced stats, that strikes me as a quite an overpayment.
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So this hasn’t been the best of weeks for the Washington Capitals.
To recap: The No. 1 goaltender has the flu, the former No. 1 right wing is frustrated by being scratched and might want out, the No. 2 goaltender was surprised to learn two hours before a game that he was being replaced by the No. 3 goaltender, and the No. 1 defenseman and No. 1 center remain out with injuries.
http://www.nhl.com/ice/blogpost.htm?id=6449
"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."
Those are our No. 1 problems.
Dammit, Jagr! Burn in Philly!
by Penguin Hunter on Feb 14, 2012 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
…and the No. 1 left wing is playing like No. 2.
Unleash the Apathy.
by D'ohboy on Feb 14, 2012 5:48 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I’m more worried about Jizz playing like shit.
by Gin and Tonic on Feb 14, 2012 5:52 PM EST up reply actions
Just so you guys know, I’m for Knuble staying in Washington. Caps need a veteran leader, he’s the one. I also don’t want Neuvirth leaving. He has tons of potential, and he proved himself steady under pressure during last year’s playoffs. I do, however, want to see what Perrault, Ward, and Hamrlik can fetch. I don’t really have a nose for trade talk, sorry.
Dammit, Jagr! Burn in Philly!
I like Knuble, although I think his tank is finally near empty. But really, what’s that veteran leadership done for us since he’s been here? You can say we’ll never know, but I can’t see this team being much worse off than they are now, Knuble or no Knuble.
It isn’t even anger-inducing. It does not seem to be worth that kind of emotional investment. It might not even be disappointing any more. It is expected.
-Peerless 5.6.2011







































