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SAN JOSE, CA - JANUARY 07: Jason Chimera #25 of the Washington Capitals hits Joe Pavelski #8 of the San Jose Sharks at the HP Pavilion at San Jose on January 7, 2012 in San Jose, California.The Sharks defeated the Capitals 5-2. (Photo by Bruce Bennett/Getty Images)

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"You’re watching the game, so you tell me," said Chimera, who had six of the Capitals’ 26 shots on goal. "You’re watching it, obviously you thought we played like (crap). You’re telling me we played bad, so that’s obviously how we played. We played like crap. That’s good. Put in the paper we played like crap. You can say that and (flippin’) quote it, too."

With that, Chimera slammed his equipment bag shut and stormed out of the visitors’ locker room at Madison Square Garden, shouting another expletive or two for good measure.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 13, 2012 7:28 AM EST reply actions  

Left out of the article was Chimera saying “You wanna crown ’em (the Rangers)? Then crown their ass!”

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by Bald Pollack on Feb 13, 2012 7:34 AM EST up reply actions   3 recs

Waiting for his awkward Bud Light commercial.

OT, but those are so painful to watch. It’s the TV equivalent of watching those schmoes dance with signs in the medians at intersections.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 13, 2012 7:47 AM EST up reply actions  

They are who we thought they were, AND WE LET EM OFF THE HOOK!

That will never get old.

It isn’t even anger-inducing. It does not seem to be worth that kind of emotional investment. It might not even be disappointing any more. It is expected.

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by macvechkin on Feb 13, 2012 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Bet that wasn’t awkward.

Also… that gets picked up by a non-local guy, but goes unmentioned (unless I’m missing it) by the locals. Curious.

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by J.P. on Feb 13, 2012 7:35 AM EST up reply actions  

I’m sure Gormley will do wonders with it. “Capital says Caps are crap. Is Chimera running himself out of town?”

Cross check and all call.

by bigonetimer on Feb 13, 2012 7:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Well, it’s great alliteration here, YLM!

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by CapsFan75 on Feb 13, 2012 7:48 AM EST up reply actions  

“Chimera Says He Played Like Crap, Which Should Alienate Knuble Further.”

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by STLSpidey on Feb 13, 2012 8:00 AM EST up reply actions  

I did like Knuble’s shout out during Chimmer’s player profile, which was about the only listenable moment of the entire broadcast yesterday.

Cross check and all call.

by bigonetimer on Feb 13, 2012 8:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Chimera’s a fiery mf’er.

Also, how does one “slam” a bag?

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by boutros23 on Feb 13, 2012 7:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Sounds painful.

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by J.P. on Feb 13, 2012 7:49 AM EST up reply actions   4 recs

I took it more as a forceful zippering.

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by Wheeler on Feb 13, 2012 10:20 AM EST up reply actions  

he should have opened a locker so he could slam it shut and storm out…

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by Alz in the family on Feb 13, 2012 11:07 AM EST up reply actions  

…and then his dad came into the locker room and shriveled the reporter with a hard look.

by Acer Jonesy's Laughker on Feb 13, 2012 7:46 AM EST up reply actions  

But if his mom got wind of it, she’d call him out for using bad language.

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by CapsFan75 on Feb 13, 2012 7:48 AM EST up reply actions  

On the Ottawa Citizen’s article on the Southeast. Must admit it’s dawned on me this year that there’s little incentive to finish 5th as opposed to 6th. 6th place would result in meeting the SE Division winner. While 5th would result in getting the 4th place team, a strong Atlantic Division team who can’t finish first (read this as "Penguins or “Flyers”.)

Here’s one fix to the problem of competitive balance. Move Flyers to the Southeast and move Winnipeg to the West. Move Columbus to the Atlantic to replace the Flyers. (I have plenty of ideas for realigning the West as well). My new configuration would result in the Southeast being no worse than the Northeast. At the present time, the Northeast teams, aside from Boston, are barely better than the Southeast teams.

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by CapsFan75 on Feb 13, 2012 7:46 AM EST reply actions  

What everyone forgets is that outside of Carolina and the Caps (for the most part), every team in that division has been criminally mismanaged. Florida hasn’t made the playoffs since 2000. The Ning went through the Koules/Barrie Era. Atlanta is the poster child for horribly run franchises.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 13, 2012 7:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Great point, YLM. Especially your point on Atlanta. Good players that had gone through Atlanta included Hossa, Heatley, and Kovalchuk. Granted, Heatley wanted out after the accident that killed Dan Snider and that was a relatively fluky thing to happen to the team.

Hossa was sent away at a trading deadline (2009) And then Kovy decided not to sign a contract extension and was sent away 2 years ago.

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by CapsFan75 on Feb 13, 2012 8:00 AM EST up reply actions  

They also drafted Patrik Stefan with their very first draft pick. And then there was the Coburn/Zhitnik fiasco.

I’ve always thought in that situation the fans got unfairly blamed for the Thrashers attendance problems. NO ONE goes to see a shitty team, especially in this economy. Look at Pittsburgh, Washington, and Chicago around the early part of this century. They were all godawful terrible, and playing to empty buildings every night. You couldn’t even see the Hawks in Chicago before Mr. Wirtz died. It took a miracle to keep the Penguins in Pittsburgh. Now? They’re three of the league’s marquee franchises.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 13, 2012 8:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Stefan was a tough spot, though. The Sedins were the only elite players in that draft, and they made it known they wanted to be together. So unless ATL trades for that 2nd overall pick there was no point taking one. So then it’s… a whole lotta crap to choose from. In retrospect Havlat looks like he’d be a better choice than the rest of the first round, but he’s not exactly elite and he had a bunch of injury/maturity issues during the time he would have been spending in ATL.

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by Rob Parker on Feb 13, 2012 9:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Those late 90s drafts were absolutely dreadful. DREADFUL.

That’s why I get a little agitated when people talk about that era as being “ruined by the trap”. People still play the trap NOW and the game is okay, it’s that the talent pipeline was beyond putrid. All the stars from the 80s had grown old and stale, and there was no new young talent to replace it. Nowadays it’s cycled back to where the league is brimming everywhere with great young talent. Even on a poo poo team like Columbus, they still have Jeff Carter and Rick Nash.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 13, 2012 10:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Fair point, but the trap is less prevalent and less effective now than it was then. And when you talk about the trap and young talent you should look up the experience in Sweden. Their national program got completely trap-focused and they killed the fun and the creativity for their youth players. During that time their representation in NHL drafts dropped. Then they changed tact, focused on skills development, and since then the Swedes have been regularly represented in the first round.

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by Rob Parker on Feb 13, 2012 10:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Is that related to the celebrated “Torpedo”?

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 13, 2012 10:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Sounds like it, but I think at the youth levels they got away from strict systems and started focusing more on puck skills and individual creativity. Even a “fun” system is still a bit stifling to kids who are just trying to play a game.

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by Rob Parker on Feb 13, 2012 10:25 AM EST up reply actions  

The Bruins were also getting shitty attendance too until they became good the last few years. But hey, they’re Original Six fans, therefore they aren’t bandwagon fans.

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by Killer_Carlson on Feb 13, 2012 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Like Simmons, who publicly said he wouldn’t have anything to do with the Bruins till Jacobs sold the team, then magically started writing about the Bruins last year during the playoffs.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 13, 2012 2:42 PM EST up reply actions  

don’t remind me. My mother can name 3 guys on the Bruins, though she is a self-proclaimed huge life-long fan

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by RedBirdie on Feb 13, 2012 2:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Z. Chara, Zdeno C. and ZC?

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 13, 2012 2:47 PM EST up reply actions  

no, that’s my idiot brother :) the same idiot that said “anyone could score 65 goals if they played all 60 minutes a night!” also a “lifelong” Bruins fan. Sigh. My mom can name Chara, Thomas, and Lucic. Quality guys.

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by RedBirdie on Feb 13, 2012 2:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Never in a million hockey periods will they seperate NYR and Philly

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by NJNJ on Feb 13, 2012 8:15 AM EST up reply actions  

"southleast"

Ooooo burn, “southleast!” haven’t heard that one before. that article was baseless

by JessMan on Feb 13, 2012 8:49 AM EST up reply actions  

How Do Zone Starts Affect Possession?

Good stuff from Habs Eyes On The Prize:

What I wanted to look for is how big of a change would be applied to a Relative Corsi score for each percentage on either side of 50% of the time a player started in the offensive zone on average. This way I could take that average and see how much different a player’s Relative Corsi score is compared to what would be expected from an average player with the same offensive zone starts percentage.

Using his findings, here are Caps skaters, min 40GP, 10+min 5v5 TOI/gm

WSH forwards:

WSH blueliners:

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by NGreenberg on Feb 13, 2012 7:55 AM EST reply actions   2 recs

Jeff Halpern is awesome. What a bargain.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 13, 2012 7:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Halpern is an odd case. Although he’s starting in the defensive zone a ton and has a solid Corsi, he’s a really low event player (we’re talking in the 20-25 SOG/60 range here, both for and against). I’d take that any day of the week for a guy who’s being used like a poor man’s Malhotra.

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by red army line on Feb 13, 2012 1:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I just wonder how long he can keep it up. Dude is no spring chicken.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 13, 2012 2:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Not following. Please explain what I’m seeing.

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by STLSpidey on Feb 13, 2012 8:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Not following. Please explain what I’m seeing.

Corsi relative to teammates is a metric used as a proxy for puck possession. You would expect players that start in the def zone more often to have worse possession numbers, so this tries to correct for that.

For example: Alzner has a minus8.9 Corsi Rel, but based on his zone starts we would expect it to be close to minus-20, so he is doing good.

(FWIW, If we could somehow incorp quality of competition into this I think it would be more insightful.)

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by NGreenberg on Feb 13, 2012 8:04 AM EST up reply actions  

He’s basically taking what an “average” player would do Corsi-wise with the zone starts the Capitals get, and comparing them to the numbers Caps are actually getting.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 13, 2012 8:05 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

The light blue is what you should expect (though not necessarily, given QoC). Dark blue is what they’ve delivered.

MoJo is a nightmare. Hamrlik has been the team’s best D by this metric. And so on.

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by J.P. on Feb 13, 2012 8:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Thanks to all three of you.

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by STLSpidey on Feb 13, 2012 8:09 AM EST up reply actions  

MoJo being a nightmare I can believe. Hamrlik being much better than Alzner, I can’t.

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by Bman21212 on Feb 13, 2012 9:18 AM EST up reply actions  

That’s where QualComp would come into play – Alzner’s facing tougher competition. If that was somehow accounted for, it would look different.

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by J.P. on Feb 13, 2012 9:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Ah, ok. Isn’t there some CorsiRel with QualComp or is that simply too circular to work?

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by Bman21212 on Feb 13, 2012 9:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Is this the secret to Schultz’s nacho duty? The team’s been using #fancystats all along?

by discuit on Feb 13, 2012 9:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Very interesting. Just wondering, what are Mike Green’s (SSS) numbers?

Cross check and all call.

by bigonetimer on Feb 13, 2012 8:49 AM EST up reply actions  

bummer about AO.

I used to laugh at Vinny LeCavalier’s contract, but I’m thinking I’ll be casting it envious glances soon.

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by fat_daddyo on Feb 13, 2012 9:32 AM EST up reply actions  

One could infer from the chart the value of center play as well.

Laich? Good here. Halpern? Good here. Perreault? Maybe not enough games/minutes to qualify, but I’m guessing good here.

And their wings? All good.

MoJo = disaster and Ovechkin’s there with him.

I’d love to see Ovechkin before and after the Backstrom injury. I don’t think he was great before the injury, of course, but he’s probably fallen off the table since.

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by J.P. on Feb 13, 2012 9:37 AM EST up reply actions  

And like Semin, if you are paying a wing huge bucks but he needs a C to not look like a disaster, then that’s a problem.

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by Rob Parker on Feb 13, 2012 9:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Aye.

I’d like to see 8-85-42 and see if anything comes of it. Ward’s had good possession numbers but bad luck; maybe with 8 that luck turns a bit, and maybe with that possession from 42, 8 turns it on. It’s not like Brouwer is a gifted passer or finisher.

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by J.P. on Feb 13, 2012 9:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Can’t hurt, right? How many better passers than 85 are in the lineup these days?

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by Rob Parker on Feb 13, 2012 9:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Is Holtby in the lineup yet?

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by J.P. on Feb 13, 2012 9:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Burn.

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by gfcaps fan on Feb 13, 2012 11:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Hmmm. Interesting.

Maybe Neil will post that split.

AO hasn’t looked good to my eyes all year, but then I’d have said the same thing about Backstrom.

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by fat_daddyo on Feb 13, 2012 9:48 AM EST up reply actions  

I’d like to see 8-85-28 reunited when the team is behind.

by David C. Rothman on Feb 13, 2012 11:30 AM EST up reply actions  

For awhile now I’ve been wondering how much of a disadvantage players are at when they start their shifts predominantly outside the offensive zone.

That would be interesting to look at, indeed. However, that’s not what is actually being shown by the zone start percentages. If you count neutral zone draws and on-the-fly changes there probably aren’t more than 5 players in the entire league that start the majority of their shifts in the OZ (which would mean the entire league “starts their shifts predominantly outside the OZ”).

I’m also not sold on the methodology:

For the purposes of better sample size I used data from Behind The Net from last season, only using players who had played 40 or more games. This yielded 566 players to draw data from. In order to avoid negative numbers, I took the absolute value of every player’s Relative Corsi, as well as the absolute value of every player’s offensive zone starts that differed from 50 [ABS]. From there I divided the resulting Relative Corsi number for each player by the resulting deviation from 50% offensive zone starts for each player.

What’s the conceptual logic there? What’s the justification for simply dividing Corsi Rel by deviation from 50% OZ starts? Models are important in statistical analysis, otherwise you’re just playing with numbers. I don’t really see a rigorous model here. The methodology also results in 120 players being thrown out as “outliers” (and I’m almost positive that’s not the proper use of the term “outlier”), which is 20% of the data set. Does that concern anyone else (or did people not read the link…)?

Corsi Rel is also infirm with team effects, it’s not even a truly individual number, so adjusting one player’s zone starts without adjusting for his teammates seems like an incomplete analysis. Pure Corsi is more controlled at the individual level. Saying 1% changes Corsi Rel by 2.3 doesn’t tell you whether it’s all on the player while he’s on ice (though presumably that’s where the change is), or whether it’s impacted by the off-ice portion of Corsi Rel.

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by Rob Parker on Feb 13, 2012 10:04 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

However, that’s not what is actually being shown by the zone start percentages. If you count neutral zone draws and on-the-fly changes there probably aren’t more than 5 players in the entire league that start the majority of their shifts in the OZ (which would mean the entire league "starts their shifts predominantly outside the OZ").

That’s an interesting point.

Just taking yesterday’s game as an example. here are the zone starts and here you can see each player’s total shifts.

Joel Ward actually was listed as having 12 shifts (WTF?), with 6 starting in the O-zone (2*WTF?). Perreault was at 9 of 18. Hamrlik, Orlov, Hendricks all in the 40% range.

Rangers didn’t have anyone above 32%.

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by J.P. on Feb 13, 2012 10:13 AM EST up reply actions  

How many OZ faceoffs did the Caps have total yesterday?

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by Rob Parker on Feb 13, 2012 10:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Looks like Lundqvist was on for 19, so… 19? But that’s just ES, doesn’t include special teams, so my numbers above are junk (since total shifts would include special teams).

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by J.P. on Feb 13, 2012 10:19 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

(There were six total special teams FOs, and since each team had two PPs, that’s two draws in each zone… not sure where the other two were; too lazy to check.)

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by J.P. on Feb 13, 2012 10:20 AM EST up reply actions  

If you count neutral zone draws and on-the-fly changes there probably aren’t more than 5 players in the entire league that start the majority of their shifts in the OZ (which would mean the entire league "starts their shifts predominantly outside the OZ").

I could be mistaken, but I think Hockey Analysis uses all zone starts in their OffZ% number.

Not surprisingly, Sedins + Burrows only three with OffZ% > 50%.

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by NGreenberg on Feb 13, 2012 10:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, Vancouver was who I was thinking of. I could see a couple ’Hawks getting on that list too.

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by Rob Parker on Feb 13, 2012 10:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Mirtle:

Given how things currently sit, we project that the postseason cutoff in both conferences will be roughly 92 points.
Taking into account that projected mark for eighth place, here is the record all 30 teams will need in their remaining games to get there:
Washington – 15-11-1

I put the Caps chances, based on remaining sched plus how they have played at home and on the road, at 17.40%. Buy or sell?

(Note, this doesn’t take into account injuries/trades/etc, just current play under Hunter so I am assuming plenty of you will “sell” based on NB19 injury alone.)

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by NGreenberg on Feb 13, 2012 8:02 AM EST reply actions  

I should have written: I put the Caps chances at winning 15 games from here on out, based on remaining sched plus how they have played at home and on the road, at 17.40%. Buy or sell?

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by NGreenberg on Feb 13, 2012 8:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Sell. I think they’re trending upwards, contrary to the scoreboard. I foresee a slight winning streak happening that we maybe aren’t accounting for (and rightfully so, none the less). I think if they can get 3 or 4 games in a row, they will rally enough to surmount the 15 win limit.

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by nogoodtrying on Feb 13, 2012 8:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Not sure how anyone can think that a team that’s won three of its last ten games and has won exactly two games in the past month when they’ve allowed a goal-against (and one of those was a 2-1 win) is going to finish out the season winning 56% of its games.

I have no idea what to make of 17.4%, but I think we’re pretty comfortably south of 50% at this point.

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by J.P. on Feb 13, 2012 8:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Let me emphasize part of that: in their last dozen games, the Caps have won once when their goalie had a save percentage below 1.000.

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by J.P. on Feb 13, 2012 8:11 AM EST up reply actions  

in their last dozen games, the Caps have won once when their goalie had a save percentage below 1.000.

Gabe wrote this re: do teams need to have “momentum” going into the playoffs?

If you want to start worrying, you really want to look back at least 35 games.

That starts at just about the beginning of that 12-game stretch of which you speak.

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by NGreenberg on Feb 13, 2012 8:29 AM EST up reply actions  

I have no idea what to make of 17.4%, but I think we’re pretty comfortably south of 50% at this point.

That summarizes my perspective as well. 17.4% seems awfully specific. However, I do not feel comfortable saying that the Caps will get to that record. Less likely than likely.

But then, there is always the spring of 2009 to remember. Not the playoff spring, the regular season spring.

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by STLSpidey on Feb 13, 2012 8:12 AM EST up reply actions  

My win probabilities for remaining games
17.4% seems awfully specific.

That’s because it is. It is based on win probabilities for WSH remaining sched:

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by NGreenberg on Feb 13, 2012 8:18 AM EST up reply actions  

If there’s a place where the season pretty much ends, it’s that game 71-74 stretch. They have a pretty good possibility of dropping all 4 of those.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 13, 2012 8:22 AM EST up reply actions  

If there’s a place where the season pretty much ends, it’s that game 71-74 stretch.

I think it is games 63-67. If they don’t go gangbusters on that homestand (win 4 of 5), it is a wrap.

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by NGreenberg on Feb 13, 2012 8:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Those games against Toronto and Ottawa are all pretty much “must-wins” too, no?

That’s the problem. There are just too many games that are “must-win”.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 13, 2012 8:44 AM EST up reply actions  

The margin of error is extremely slim.

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by NGreenberg on Feb 13, 2012 8:46 AM EST up reply actions  

like 2008 all over again!

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by bigonetimer on Feb 13, 2012 8:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Who’s still here from that team? 8, 19, 28, 52, 21, 55, 4? Is that it? (Well, Poti is technically still here.)

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by apk3000 on Feb 13, 2012 8:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Cristobal Huet is not walking through that door.

Neither is Sergei Fedorov.

Or Bruce Boudreau.

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by Rob Parker on Feb 13, 2012 9:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Thanks for leaving that other guy off the list.

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by J.P. on Feb 13, 2012 9:48 AM EST up reply actions  

He doesn’t walk through doors. He busts through ’em elbow first!

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by Rob Parker on Feb 13, 2012 9:49 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I’ll admit I’m as interested in who’s walking out the door as who is coming in.

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by bigonetimer on Feb 13, 2012 10:02 AM EST up reply actions  

so when(if) they make the playoffs they should be hardened and prepared for playoff hockey since coasting in the past few years didn’t do shit for them, right?

/grasping at straws

by Beakers Lab on Feb 13, 2012 8:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Probably shouldn’t even travel to Detroit.

And I take the under on 58% tonight, fwiw.

Btw, how are those percentages calculated? Running sims or other? Secret sauce?

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by J.P. on Feb 13, 2012 8:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Btw, how are those percentages calculated? Running sims or other? Secret sauce?

Using Log5 based on home/road GF/GA splits. Then run a sim 1,000 times.

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by NGreenberg on Feb 13, 2012 8:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Out of curiousity, what was the % on that WPG game last week? Somewhere around 75%, I’m guessing?

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by J.P. on Feb 13, 2012 8:28 AM EST up reply actions  

what was the % on that WPG game last week? Somewhere around 75%, I’m guessing?

Yes, in that 70-75% ballpark.

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by NGreenberg on Feb 13, 2012 8:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah no way they win there. Not in a million years. Especially with how they embarrassed the Wings earlier in the season. The win probability on that should be .1%

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 13, 2012 8:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Out of curiousity, what would you (anyone) consider a “should win”? Obviously we talk about that a lot – “The Caps should win this game,” etc. – but how would that be defined?

Take the projections above, and not long-term, but on a game-by-game basis, and there’s obviously a point at which a certain percentage probability beforehand corresponds to a certain result that would be considered significant enough to say, yeah, at that point, it’s a “should-win” because teams win 80% (or whatever) of those.

My gut tells me that anything in the 40-60% range is still a coin-flip and that anything less than 30%, more than 70% maybe has you in the “should” range, but I don’t know how you’d get to a specific number. (FWIW, if we go with that 30/70, the Caps have six “should-wins” and five games they should lose left; if we go 60/40, it’s 10 and 11. I buy the former more, since I don’t think a full 21 of the 27 games remaining ought to be considered over before they start.)

It’d be interesting to see how teams fare in their “should-wins” (and “should-lose” games, for that matter). Part of the whole “taking care of business” aspect of the game.

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by J.P. on Feb 13, 2012 9:22 AM EST up reply actions  

(Btw, this is something I’d been toying around with a bit a little while ago, comparing home vs. road win % in a given game and positing that a “should-win” would be something in the neighborhood of a .250 differential there… similar idea.)

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by J.P. on Feb 13, 2012 9:31 AM EST up reply actions  

i would have gone with 45-55 being the flips, with >60 being a “should win.”

by Ginga on Feb 13, 2012 10:27 AM EST up reply actions  

I’d like to see the numbers on how many 60%-likely wins actually turn into wins, how many at 65% do and so on. Not sure there’s an “a-ha” number there, but 60% still sounds a little tight to me – if the predictions were 100% accurate, “60% likely” would result in wins 60% of the time (I iz smrt!), and if winning six of ten doesn’t strike me as being in “should” territory.

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by J.P. on Feb 13, 2012 10:37 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah, i agree that there isn’t an obvious answer. i was just thinking, if i trusted the model, at what point would i be shoveling money on the caps in vegas. to beat the vig at -120, i’d only really need 55%, but i’d be more comfortable at 60%.

by Ginga on Feb 13, 2012 10:50 AM EST up reply actions  

related: neil has caps at 57% tonight; vegas has them at -105. it’s like printing money!

by Ginga on Feb 13, 2012 10:56 AM EST up reply actions  

I’d like to see the numbers on how many 60%-likely wins actually turn into wins, how many at 65% do and so on.

I think I can do this. Most likely on Wednesday.

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by NGreenberg on Feb 13, 2012 11:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Neat. It’d probably be a good traffic piece, too, because every time some genius says, “They should be able to win [Game X],” you point ’em to the post and say, “Well, actually…”

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by J.P. on Feb 13, 2012 11:09 AM EST up reply actions  

17.4%? I’m buying that number as long as Green and Backstrom don’t come back.

Without centers this team relies even more heavily on a D-man like Green to get the puck out of the zone.

by kovachs on Feb 13, 2012 8:30 AM EST up reply actions  

If they continue their habit of getting outchanced and outshot – what was the chance count yesterday, by the way? – then I’d take the under on that 17.4%.

I guess the question is whether they play better, worse or the same? I think they’ll play a bit better as desperation kicks in. Better enough? I doubt it.

I’m mostly resigned to them not making the playoffs this year.

The issue I’ve been mulling is this: do I WANT them to make the playoffs this year? In other words, will it be better in the long run for them to take a hard look at the roster and decide to tear it down and reboot? If they make the playoffs, I’m pretty certain that they polish the turd and decide to try for another year of more of the same.

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by fat_daddyo on Feb 13, 2012 9:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Strictly shots on goal:

WSH—26
NYR—28

I can’t tell you anything about the quality of those shots, nor how many missed the net, or were blocked (hey, did you know that the Rangers are the greatest shot blocking team to ever step out on ice, in the history of the entire big wide universe?)

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by RedBirdie on Feb 13, 2012 10:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Well it all starts with their captain, who is probably the best captain there is right now because he’s the hardest worker ever.

by Twenty Seven Ninety on Feb 13, 2012 10:06 AM EST up reply actions  

I like Ryan Callahan. He is a good captian and a great player. I’d kill for him on this team.

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by highslot84 on Feb 13, 2012 10:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed.

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by Rob Parker on Feb 13, 2012 10:09 AM EST up reply actions  

How about Ryan Smyth? Trade deadline move?

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by highslot84 on Feb 13, 2012 10:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Nah. Washed up. Hasn’t done squat since Thanksgiving after a hot start to the season. Whatever he’d cost is too much and I don’t think he’s going to make a difference on this team.

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by Rob Parker on Feb 13, 2012 10:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Fair enough.

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by highslot84 on Feb 13, 2012 10:33 AM EST up reply actions  

But I’m also against giving up any assets that are in future plans because I don’t think this team is close enough to win this year. Someone who thinks they should be buyers might have a different take.

I guess Smyth is upgrade on Knuble, right? But he didn’t really do a whole lot for the Isles when he went there a couple years back.

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by Rob Parker on Feb 13, 2012 10:35 AM EST up reply actions  

That’s what I was thinking. He could be a upgrade on that specific spot but maybe this benching will get Knuble rolling. Although I think he’s being used in the wrong places.

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by highslot84 on Feb 13, 2012 10:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Unfortunately, I think Knuble lost a step he never had to lose. I don’t think it’s a matter of “getting him going” anymore.

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by Rob Parker on Feb 13, 2012 10:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Thing is yeah, he footspeed is way slow. He doesn’t have that but I don’t see him going to the net as hard anymore. He’s not putting himself in the place he built his career, no wonder you’re not scoring. I don’t think his shot is going to fool most NHL goalies without a screen.

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by highslot84 on Feb 13, 2012 10:44 AM EST up reply actions  

He may just not have the speed to get to the net when he needs to get there now. I think some of it does have to do to how bad the possession has been this year, but a lot of it falls on 22 as well.

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by Rob Parker on Feb 13, 2012 10:46 AM EST up reply actions  

That definitely makes sense. I am definitely in the we’re not buyers at the deadline like you. I just saw Smyth come up in an article and went.. hmmmm…

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by highslot84 on Feb 13, 2012 10:49 AM EST up reply actions  

It’ll be interesting to see how EDM handles it. Do they finally move Hemsky? Do they try to sell everyone and build for the future? That’s what I’d do, but I’m definitely not going to try to get into the heads of the EDM front office.

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by Rob Parker on Feb 13, 2012 10:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Burn em’ all!

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by highslot84 on Feb 13, 2012 11:06 AM EST up reply actions  

And then Hit the Lights.

Oh, you said burn.

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by Rob Parker on Feb 13, 2012 11:08 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

They should have drafted Larsson instead of RNH.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 13, 2012 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

I said the same thing. They really could use a stud D. That said, RNH hasn’t exactly been a disappointment (other than to the people that were up in arms about him not going back to the WHL).

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by Rob Parker on Feb 13, 2012 11:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Hasn’t he spent most of the second half of the season injured? Larsson’s been banged up too, but theoretically, if I have a choice between franchise C and franchise D, I’m going with the latter, especially with who Edmonton has been throwing out there this year (hellllllllllloooooo Cam Barker).

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 13, 2012 11:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah he hurt a shoulder, I think. But I don’t usually think of injuries as the same kind of disappointment as not producing when on the ice. Injuries are disappointing but in a different sense. RNH looks like a quality player.

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by Rob Parker on Feb 13, 2012 11:29 AM EST up reply actions  

I think I’m just more upset that Larsson landed in Jersey. They’ll plug that guy in there for the next 20 years (assuming they stay in Jersey).

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 13, 2012 11:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I was pissed about that. Don’t love Cooter in PHI either.

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by Rob Parker on Feb 13, 2012 11:33 AM EST up reply actions  

You shouldn’t. Riddled with diseases, that PHI cooter.

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by Killer_Carlson on Feb 13, 2012 3:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Double bag it. Safety first, kids.

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by Rob Parker on Feb 13, 2012 3:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I like Dubinsky, too. The NYR are gonna be real tough to knock out this year.

by DonnieKnutts on Feb 13, 2012 10:28 AM EST up reply actions  

They mentioned yesterday that Scott Howson was at the Flyers/Rangers game the other day.

I’d put cash money on the Rangers being heavy in the mix for Jeff Carter at the deadline. I think they’ve got the resources to do it, and they can take the cap hit/term.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 13, 2012 10:32 AM EST up reply actions  

They’d have to move salary out, right? I could see them trying to do that, but I don’t know what they’d give up.

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by Rob Parker on Feb 13, 2012 10:35 AM EST up reply actions  

They can take a max cap hit of 5,155,275 according to capgeek. As of today, Carter’s cap hit is 1,539,066. Maybe they throw a draft pick, Erixon and Anisimov at CBJ?

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 13, 2012 10:39 AM EST up reply actions  

That seems like something they could part with. Erixon might not be a guy they want to move (and how pissed would he be going to CBJ… he might just go back to the SEL), but they have young D to spare and if they take Carter for the foreseeable future then Anisimov is a bit redundant.

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by Rob Parker on Feb 13, 2012 10:40 AM EST up reply actions  

And Torts looks like he wants to have him murdered at least three times a game.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 13, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Wow, I was looking at CBJ’s capgeek page, and they’re STILL paying Duvie Westcott’s buyout (ends this year). He’s their Ben Clymer.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 13, 2012 10:43 AM EST up reply actions  

So that makes him one of the favorites, right?

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by Rob Parker on Feb 13, 2012 10:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Of course. Just following up on RB’s snark regarding the verbal fellatio of all things NYR during yesterday’s broadcast.

by Twenty Seven Ninety on Feb 13, 2012 10:38 AM EST up reply actions  

NBCSN broadcast the Wings-Flyers game last night (thankfully, without the crew that did the caps game; unfortunately with Milbury in the studio). I just about went ballistic when the said “And the Rangers had a impressive win over the Capitals earlier today.” Impressive…..I do not think this word means what you think it means.

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by RedBirdie on Feb 13, 2012 10:43 AM EST up reply actions  

I’ve always thought that if the Rangers are selling out that much to block shots, is it really that difficult to fake a shot and step around it?

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 13, 2012 10:30 AM EST up reply actions  

I guess that’s similar to Tim Thomas. He overplays everything but the BOS D doesn’t let teams make that extra pass/move around him.

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by Rob Parker on Feb 13, 2012 10:31 AM EST up reply actions  

except that don’t believe everything that NBC tells you. IIRC, the Caps actually have been blocking more shots. The Rangers are very good at doing so, but it’s not like they’re the only team that blocks shots in this league.

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by RedBirdie on Feb 13, 2012 10:34 AM EST up reply actions  

But Doc said that they are the best in the league?!

You’re the boss, applesauce.

by SethB on Feb 13, 2012 10:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Related, the #docverbs thing on twitter is awesome.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 13, 2012 10:44 AM EST up reply actions  

I can understand Chimmer’s rage. It seems like the Caps are held to a different standard than a lot of teams in the NHL; whether or not that’s fair is another discussion. If they don’t win, they’ve blown the season. Every game. I understand that these games are important ones coming down the home stretch (if one can call 27 games a “home stretch” even), and Florida getting some distance, but I really do see some solid progression from this team. The forecheck still looked more aggressive, shots were being taken and not just by Chimera, chances are coming and in better shot distance, offensive zone possession was better this game than I’ve seen all season (even if #fancystats might prove me wrong), and while there were some blunders in their own end that they paid for, the D is doing a better job of getting the puck out and generating the rush. The PP looked pretty good. The PK looked better. I’m happy with this Caps team and I’m growing weary of reading an end-of-days narrative after every loss. Is there such a thing as a “good loss”? Maybe. Is there such a thing as and indication of progress? Absolutely. I’m happy to see this Caps team take the ice, much happier than I was in the weeks prior. With a little puck luck, some defensive fine-tuning, and [maybe it’s too much to ask for] some ref accountability, this team could still go far. I’m excited to watch things unfold. I’m not optimistic about good trades before the deadline, or full recoveries from pinnacle injuries. That being said, I just want to see some good hockey from the team I love, and I’m happy to have that. So, yes, Chimmer, you’re right. They’ll print that you played like [crap]. They’ll print how big of a disappointment you are. Fuck em. Keep playing hard, boys.

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by nogoodtrying on Feb 13, 2012 8:04 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

You sure it’s Chimmer being mad at losing, not being mad at him putting forth effort, but some others lacking in that department?

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by Bman21212 on Feb 13, 2012 9:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Sorry, let me clarify.

You sure it’s Chimmer being mad at the media’s take on losing, not him being mad at others not putting forth effort while he continues to do so?

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by Bman21212 on Feb 13, 2012 9:22 AM EST up reply actions  

I didn’t really comment either way about what he’s mad about. Probably both.

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by nogoodtrying on Feb 13, 2012 10:26 AM EST up reply actions  

I think the former. I think he thought they had good effort last night but the media was just saying “another woeful effort dooms the Caps.”

I personally didn’t think the effort was that bad for most of the players, but I thought the passing was dreadful. Hard to maintain any puck possession when you can’t string more than 2 passes together. And when they did put 3 passes together it seemed like it always led to a scoring chance. They were just few and far between.

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by Rob Parker on Feb 13, 2012 10:32 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

So what if someone told you that they were already getting the puck luck?

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by Rob Parker on Feb 13, 2012 9:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Save it for the Nooner, yo.

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by J.P. on Feb 13, 2012 9:59 AM EST up reply actions  

I shall wait for the nooner as instructed. Should I go ahead and start the car in the garage with the door shut?

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Punch is my preferred method.

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by Rob Parker on Feb 13, 2012 10:33 AM EST up reply actions  

You could always go the Shakespeare route as well.

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by J.P. on Feb 13, 2012 10:38 AM EST up reply actions   3 recs

Reading the comments from yesterday’s game recap was a top-three most depressing experience I’ve had here since I started reading the blog. Caps as sellers? Two years ago that would have been the last thing I could have ever imagined. I just keep hoping that next seven game win streak is around the corner but it’s getting harder to keep my chin up.

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I think they’re attempting to become the first team to win a Stanley Cup without ever winning a road game.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 13, 2012 8:06 AM EST up reply actions  

The more depressing thought is that the thoughts of “it’s okay, we still have talent coming in, we still have guys learning” were apparently wrong and they should’ve gone all-in at some point. That may be the last time the Caps are favorites because it looks like we’re back to the Murray years, playoff participants hoping for a lucky hot streak.

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by apk3000 on Feb 13, 2012 8:24 AM EST up reply actions  

I’m hoping the Caps win tonight if only because the cousin of Mother NARA’s boss (Benn Ferriero) plays for the Sharks.

Not that I have anything against Mr. Ferriero (I once rode an elevator with him and didn’t even realize it), but I feel like it would be a nice win for the little guy.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 13, 2012 8:17 AM EST reply actions  

And apparently, he’s supposed to show up here today. Oh boy.

Too bad I forgot to wear any Caps stuff.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 13, 2012 8:22 AM EST up reply actions  

It is sad when I base all my hope for the remainder of this Capitals season on the statistical concept of regression to the mean.

In layman’s terms – “They can’t be this bad this long, can they? Things have to turnaround.”

Nice guys finish first, but sometimes the season is awfully long.
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by STLSpidey on Feb 13, 2012 8:17 AM EST reply actions  

In layman’s terms – "They can’t be this bad this long, can they? Things have to turnaround."

Statistically, they have been good, esp when it comes to Sv% and Sh% at 5v5. If this team gets hit with even the slightest regression to the mean on that, it will get even uglier.

The problem is in puck possession, which is less likely to “regress.”

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by NGreenberg on Feb 13, 2012 8:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Thanks for emptying the glass further. :-)

I guess I was hoping things would regress to the other mean.

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by STLSpidey on Feb 13, 2012 8:22 AM EST up reply actions  

On the bright side, I won’t have to pay for a round of playoff tickets.

Yeah, not so bright.

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by gfcaps fan on Feb 13, 2012 9:11 AM EST up reply actions  

I’m going to dispute this point. Their 5v5 shooting percentage right now is at 9.12%, which isn’t terrible, but it is bottom-third in the league. Their PP shooting percentage is similarly bottom-third in the league.

They’re more likely to go up than down at this point.

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by Wheeler on Feb 13, 2012 11:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Their 5v5 shooting percentage right now is at 9.12%, which isn’t terrible, but it is bottom-third in the league.

That includes Bruce’s relatively cold run of luck and Dale’s good luck – under Hunter, that number is higher.

But we should have a good discussion on this stuff in today’s Nooner.

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by J.P. on Feb 13, 2012 11:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Don’t give it away!

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by Rob Parker on Feb 13, 2012 11:12 AM EST up reply actions  

This is perhaps the most-hyped nooner of all time.

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by D'ohboy on Feb 13, 2012 11:14 AM EST up reply actions  

I had one a couple of years back where I told my wife I’d come home for lunch and… oh… nevermind.

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by J.P. on Feb 13, 2012 11:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Just a taste. This one’s on me…

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by J.P. on Feb 13, 2012 11:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Moreover, their 5v5 save percentage is top-third in the league, but it’s also right at .922, which, if you look at past years, is right around where Tomas Vokoun’s 5v5 “talent level” hangs. (.929 this year; .919 last year; .937 the year before that; .935 before that).

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by Wheeler on Feb 13, 2012 11:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Going with the aggregate numbers doesn’t do much for me – this has been two different teams and should be treated as such, for my money.

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by J.P. on Feb 13, 2012 11:10 AM EST up reply actions  

In layman’s terms – "They can’t be this bad this long, can they? Things have to turnaround."

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by J.P. on Feb 13, 2012 8:24 AM EST up reply actions  

They’re the NHL’s version of George Costanza.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 13, 2012 8:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Brutal. Short, fat and bald is no way to get to the playoffs.

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by bigonetimer on Feb 13, 2012 8:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Or through them, for that matter.

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by Bald Pollack on Feb 13, 2012 8:54 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Nice ball into the box…

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by bigonetimer on Feb 13, 2012 8:55 AM EST up reply actions  

I’m only as good as the crosses that are thrown into the area my friend.

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by Bald Pollack on Feb 13, 2012 9:16 AM EST up reply actions  

You almost ripped the twine on that one.

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by bigonetimer on Feb 13, 2012 9:22 AM EST up reply actions  

It is if we’re talking Nintendo Ice Hockey.

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by apk3000 on Feb 13, 2012 8:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah but you’ll just fly around them with skinny guys.

Now I’ve got that tune in my head.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 13, 2012 9:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Will I need my Xanax/Wellbutrin cocktail before reading?

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by STLSpidey on Feb 13, 2012 8:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Like many a-Nooner, it’s open to interpretation.

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by J.P. on Feb 13, 2012 8:28 AM EST up reply actions  

You mean I’ll be able to find the rose-colored, glass-half-full, we-can-still-win-the-cup-in-2012 perspective?

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by STLSpidey on Feb 13, 2012 8:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Sure.

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by J.P. on Feb 13, 2012 8:30 AM EST up reply actions  

If you can continue that you are a true drinker of the kool-aid. I’ve begun to move past the denial stage and am now starting to work on the acceptance stage that this team, this year, may not even make the playoffs

by Beakers Lab on Feb 13, 2012 8:31 AM EST up reply actions  

I’m so far into the acceptance stage that I’m embarrassed. I’m looking forward to traveling overseas for business in late April and not missing Caps’ games.

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by STLSpidey on Feb 13, 2012 8:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Ditto. I’m anxious for the trade deadline because I want to know what kind of picks and prospects we can stockpile when we sell our expiring contracts… And then next year’s draft. I’ve given up on having anything meaningful to watch with this team from April to June.

by Murshawursha on Feb 13, 2012 3:23 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s better than a cyanide/drain cleaner cocktail.

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by boutros23 on Feb 13, 2012 8:30 AM EST up reply actions  

I Know Where I Can Find a Recipe

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by STLSpidey on Feb 13, 2012 8:33 AM EST up reply actions  

The perfect CornNuts chaser.

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by boutros23 on Feb 13, 2012 8:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Jesus he’s creepy looking. I can’t believe that women of my generation found him attractive in the late 80s/early 90s.

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by D'ohboy on Feb 13, 2012 11:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Dude, he was in Heathers.

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by Rob Parker on Feb 13, 2012 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

I know this is OT, but it’s less depressing than thinking about the Caps.

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by D'ohboy on Feb 13, 2012 11:19 AM EST up reply actions  

With no Green and Baxter, apparently they are. Sigh

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by BetterOffWith28 on Feb 13, 2012 8:31 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I clicked on the way-back machine link. Noted that names and avatars reflect the present, not what they were in the past. That’s a shame. It has to be a violation of the space-time continuum or something like that.

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by STLSpidey on Feb 13, 2012 8:29 AM EST reply actions  

@SkyKerstein

#Caps Green is in full pads and is on the ice before practice as he continues to be on track

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by EmilyB on Feb 13, 2012 9:49 AM EST reply actions  

What is the “on track?” When should we expect to see him in games?

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by STLSpidey on Feb 13, 2012 9:53 AM EST up reply actions  

I believe after the Trade Deadline was the initial projection at the time of the surgery?

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by fat_daddyo on Feb 13, 2012 9:58 AM EST up reply actions  

my best guess: full recovery after this surgery was 4-6 weeks. I assume “full” means can fully participate in contact practice. Tomorrow is the 4 week mark. Whenever he’s reached “fully recovered” I’d guess another couple weeks of practice and then we’ll see him back in games. So anywhere from 2-4 more weeks? Guess the first week of March.

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by RedBirdie on Feb 13, 2012 9:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Middle of next week would put us in the 4-5 weeks since the slice and dice. IIRC.

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by highslot84 on Feb 13, 2012 9:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Athletes really aren’t like the rest of us. I had mesh put in a few years back for a hernia and I wan’t allowed to lift more than 15 lbs for 6 weeks, I couldn’t imagine skating in full pads after less than 4.

by Gunjin on Feb 13, 2012 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

The medical care and rehab they get is also not like the rest of ours.

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by Rob Parker on Feb 13, 2012 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

There is that, also his financial incentive to get back and play well is much higher than mine was to get back to a very dangerous and shitty construction job I worked during college. He’s still got to be tender as hell though, muscle only heals so fast and recovery from that surgery was by far the worst pain I have ever experienced.

by Gunjin on Feb 13, 2012 1:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, and at this point I’d bet on him coming back too soon and having a setback.

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by Rob Parker on Feb 13, 2012 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Me too, sadly.

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by EmilyB on Feb 13, 2012 2:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m guessing Backstrom will replace Green’s position on the LTIR list when Green’s ready?

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An assumption many are making in part for the Caps to have more flexibility at the trade deadline. Right now they are using all of Poti’s LTIR cap space and some of Green’s.

by sk84fun_dc on Feb 13, 2012 11:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Just for a potentially useless exercise, let’s assume that Backstrom gets healthy enough to start skating by the end of the month. Is he still out until the playoffs? [insert “playoffs?!” joke here, if you like] Depending on where they are the standings at that point, I assume GMGM would take that into consideration in any possible trade scenario (like Green last year, who I assume is back soon).

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by gfcaps fan on Feb 13, 2012 11:32 AM EST up reply actions  

If that’s the case, I think GMGM stands pat at the deadline consistent with lack of cap space if Green/Backstrom healthy. He has to realize that getting both those guys back is the best chance for the Caps to make the playoffs (and achieve success once they got there ha ha ha). No sense stashing Nick for trade deadline acquisitions when the team needs him to get in.

by Dirk Dangler on Feb 13, 2012 11:35 AM EST up reply actions  

I’ve asked the same questions before; a lot depends on what they know about Backstrom’s situation, but the closer they get to TDL and whether he’s skating will tell them a lot, I assume.

I haven’t done the math to see the exact amount of Green’s cap space they are using with call-ups, etc.

With Green last year, not sure what you mean, fact is the cap situation prevented (by my calculations) his return during the regular season due to the moves they made.

Another issue like last year is who they keep on the roster as it relates to the recall limits post trade deadline (4) and the AHL clear day roster due a week after the NHL trade deadline. Beagle as the example from last year being kept on the NHL roster.

by sk84fun_dc on Feb 13, 2012 11:42 AM EST up reply actions  

The Green comment was regarding keeping him on LTIR until the playoffs. If you put Nick on LTIR and keep him there, then the available dollars to spend go up, right?

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by gfcaps fan on Feb 13, 2012 11:53 AM EST up reply actions  

The update – Trade deadline 2 weeks away:

Trade deadline Feb 27th at 3pm eastern time. Caps still have 7 games before the deadline, including tonight’s game; 5 on road, 2 at home:

MON 2/13 vs SJS (second of b/b)
FRI 2/17 at FLA
SAT 2/18 at TBL (b/b)
MON 2/20 at CAR
WED 2/22 at OTT
FRI 2/24 vs MTL
SAT 2/25 at TOR (b/b)

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by sk84fun_dc on Feb 13, 2012 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

what’s interesting to me about this situation is that i’ve heard multiple gms say that pulling off a trade usually requires considerable legwork in the days and weeks leading up to it; that a lot of back-and-forth is required. tough to do when you don’t even know if you’re going to be buying or selling.

by Ginga on Feb 13, 2012 11:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Goddamn charity point.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 13, 2012 11:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Depressing time to be a Caps fan but I thought the team as a whole has looked better over the past few games.

Little more passion. Little more effort. They look a little less lost on the ice. Almost like they and Dale Hunter might have matching strategies at some point in the future.

The past few games have made me feel a little better about the future. Maybe I’m just being too optimistic.

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by smutsboy1 on Feb 13, 2012 10:17 AM EST reply actions   2 recs

Unfortunately, the Caps have only won 1 game in the last 4 weeks where they didn’t shut the other team out. We’re relying too much on Vokoun…

by OvechkinGR8 on Feb 13, 2012 10:19 AM EST up reply actions  

I’m not looking at W/L though. This season is blowing in the wind as far as that is concerned.

I’m looking at effort. Perceived comfort level.

I thought the exit passing has been a little better. Offensive chances a little higher.

I dunno.

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by smutsboy1 on Feb 13, 2012 10:21 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

In case you couldn’t tell from what I wrote above, I agree with you on this. We’re not in a majority right now…

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by nogoodtrying on Feb 13, 2012 10:28 AM EST up reply actions  

I don’t know, the Caps looked okay against the Cats and Jets, but when faced with an actual good opponent in the Rangers, didn’t really look improved at all.

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by apk3000 on Feb 13, 2012 10:28 AM EST up reply actions  

didn’t really look improved at all

I thought they did. Much better than they looked 2 & 3 weeks ago.

Previously there were entire games without good scoring chances. Yesterday there were quite a few, against one of the best defensive teams in the league, on the road.

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by smutsboy1 on Feb 13, 2012 10:30 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree. One or one-and-a-half good-to-even periods is better than half or none.

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by red army line on Feb 13, 2012 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

So I would assume it’s pretty much a given that Malkin’s gonna win the MVP, right?

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 13, 2012 10:23 AM EST reply actions  

Who knows. Corey Perry won it with a hot month last year. Plenty of hockey left.

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by Rob Parker on Feb 13, 2012 10:26 AM EST up reply actions  

But, yes, he has to be the frontrunner.

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by Rob Parker on Feb 13, 2012 10:26 AM EST up reply actions  

I just wonder if the NY media is strong enough to swing it to Lundqvist.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 13, 2012 10:28 AM EST up reply actions  

I hope so.

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by Rob Parker on Feb 13, 2012 10:33 AM EST up reply actions  

It’s Hank’s year for a Vezina though, and they definitely tend to spread the hardware around…..

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by sydtron on Feb 13, 2012 10:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Plus goalies have to do something ridiculous and have no great skater seasons if they want to be considered. TT set the all time SV% record last year…

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by Rob Parker on Feb 13, 2012 11:01 AM EST up reply actions  

I would say Rinne for Vezina, but he plays in Nashville so it doesn’t count.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 13, 2012 11:25 AM EST up reply actions  

And I think we’d all agree that it’s unfair to every other goalie to even include Rinne.

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by Rob Parker on Feb 13, 2012 11:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Ups and Downs are up – go read ’em THEN comment on them to make B feel loved.

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by J.P. on Feb 13, 2012 10:39 AM EST reply actions  

Lambert’s PD column about how Hunter may have benched Knuble for plus-minus reasons. http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/learned-capitals-coach-dale-hunter-uses-plus-minus-144656572.html#more-25057

Maybe it’s knee-jerk of me to be mad about this, and I do think Lambert’s making more out of Knuble’s comment than he probably should…but Hunter has done more than several things this year that have made me face-palm. This is just another one.

by jcoral128 on Feb 13, 2012 11:35 AM EST reply actions  

yeah, it’s tough to say what hunter really meant by that and whether it was truly his reasoning. but then again, i’m way past the point of giving hunter the benefit of the doubt.

by Ginga on Feb 13, 2012 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, that’s pretty much how I feel about it. And to be past the point of giving him the benefit of the doubt after less than three months isn’t a good thing.

by jcoral128 on Feb 13, 2012 11:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Here’s what I wrote about it in Neil’s FanPost:

In fairness to Hunter, this is second-hand from an understandably disappointed player. Maybe that’s all Hunter he said. Maybe that’s Knuble’s synopsis of what he remembers being said to him, or maybe the points that stood out the most to a similarly old school player (think Knuble countered with his on-ice scoring chance conversion rate being unsustainably low?). Who knows.

Knuble has stunk by most metrics, traditional, advanced and otherwise. There’s every reason to believe his staff is well aware of all of these. Yes, I’d probably have gotten a stiffy if he’d said, "Dale came to me and said, ‘your Corsi Rel Team sucks,’" but Knuble relating why he was scratched and mentioning plus-minus doesn’t get me too worked up.

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by J.P. on Feb 13, 2012 11:43 AM EST up reply actions  

I’ve posed the question, if you put Knuble in the lineup, who do you take out? Arguably, Jay Beagle’s better for the team right now.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 13, 2012 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

I thought Beagle and Hendricks were good yesterday, and the fact that they got some time with AO late in the game indicates so did DH.

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by Rob Parker on Feb 13, 2012 11:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Or…

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by J.P. on Feb 13, 2012 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

AO was so good that they had to double shift him for a chance to win!

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by Rob Parker on Feb 13, 2012 11:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Ha. Yeah, that.

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by J.P. on Feb 13, 2012 11:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Looking at the shift charts though, Ovi wasn’t cycled through multiple lines. Laich, Halpern, and Ward were pretty much benched for the last 10 minutes. Ovi was just put with Beagle and Hendricks as his new partners, excluding the last 50 seconds.

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by Bman21212 on Feb 13, 2012 1:03 PM EST up reply actions  

And Hunter doesn’t exactly bare all when it comes to the media. So it’s hard to really know what happened. I guess the larger issue for me remains that I’m not quite sure what the coach is up to or what he’s trying to do philosophically as a whole.

by jcoral128 on Feb 13, 2012 11:45 AM EST up reply actions  

I’m not quite sure what the coach is up to or what he’s trying to do philosophically as a whole.

Trying desperately to win and make the playoffs. That’s pretty much it.

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by D'ohboy on Feb 13, 2012 12:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Hunter was quoted as saying ""We watch game film, we look at stats" I assumed that bad plus minus was just shorthand (Knuble’s) for bad stats in general. I can’t imagine him or another player mentioning advanced stats specifically in the press.

by kingbonehead on Feb 13, 2012 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Have any coaches been quoted using Fenwick, Corsi or any other advanced metrics?

I’m not aware of any.

by Gin and Tonic on Feb 13, 2012 4:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Nooner, y’all. Nooner.

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by J.P. on Feb 13, 2012 12:01 PM EST reply actions  

Trade:

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#NHLDucks acquire center Riley Holzapfel from Winnipeg in exchange for center Maxime Macenauer. Details coming soon.

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Details coming soon

Were there any pertinant details left out?

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by dcsportsfan1 on Feb 13, 2012 1:54 PM EST up reply actions  

ha. not sure. I saw some people discussing whether Macenauer was expected to report to NHL or AHL but that’s about it, so far, reports are he’s headed to AHL team.

by sk84fun_dc on Feb 13, 2012 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Holzapfel for Macenauer? That’s a couple of real bad Scrabble hands, right there.

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by EmilyB on Feb 13, 2012 2:05 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Except you only have seven tiles in your hand at one time.

Oh – you meant kind of metaphorically. Never mind.

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by STLSpidey on Feb 13, 2012 2:17 PM EST up reply actions  

The only details they left out would be why anyone outside their immediate family should care…

It isn’t even anger-inducing. It does not seem to be worth that kind of emotional investment. It might not even be disappointing any more. It is expected.

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by macvechkin on Feb 13, 2012 2:16 PM EST up reply actions  

One of my favorite names.

Holzapfel was my favorite hall at Maryland, and I think it’s German for “Crabapple”

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 13, 2012 2:43 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

It is. Literally though it’s “wood apple.”

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by Gin and Tonic on Feb 13, 2012 4:32 PM EST up reply actions  

for those of us who love to hate bad reffing, you’re in luck. Auger is calling tonight’s game.

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by RedBirdie on Feb 13, 2012 2:47 PM EST reply actions  

/grabs popcorn

/prepares to throw it at TV uneaten

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 13, 2012 2:50 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Oh joy.

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by gfcaps fan on Feb 13, 2012 3:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I believe it’s pronounced oh-jay.

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by Scott in Shaw on Feb 13, 2012 4:24 PM EST up reply actions   3 recs

Subject line please.

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by Bald Pollack on Feb 13, 2012 5:05 PM EST up reply actions  

NBCSN/CSN adds coverage of the CAA in a five-year deal (per Ourand).

So next time you grumble about why there are so many gorram Drexel-Hofstra games on TV, now you know.

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by Bald Pollack on Feb 13, 2012 2:51 PM EST reply actions  

That’s actually been a pretty good basketball lig the last few years, at least in the tournament.

But I like what NBCSN is doing as a brand. They’re getting the scraps that the big networks can afford to let fall off the table. I don’t know if they can hoist MLB from ESPN (who has basically become the 24/7/365 football and basketball network), but if they can? That will be a gigantic coup.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 13, 2012 2:54 PM EST up reply actions  

I’ve gotta think they could poach the TBS component of it, but I say that not knowing how much they have to spend.

On a slightly related note, sounds like the NBC fam will make a killing off of London ad revenue, saw a note that they’ve sold almost all of it 5 months ahead of time.

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by Bald Pollack on Feb 13, 2012 2:59 PM EST up reply actions  

But don’t they pretty much take a bath on every Olympics?

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 13, 2012 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Ah…just the last one.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 13, 2012 3:06 PM EST up reply actions  

A true story to keep in mind with the trade deadline coming soon

From the early 80s WHL about ex-NHLer Tom Martin

Following two seasons of junior A hockey in Kelowna, Martin was added to the Seattle Breakers’ reserve list. He chose instead to gain an education while playing at the University of Denver in 1982–83.[ Martin did make it known that he would play junior for his hometown team, the Victoria Cougars, however.[ The Breakers wished to trade Martin, and were in need of a new team bus. Coincidentally, the Cougars had an extra bus that they purchased from the defunct Spokane Flyers franchise, but as they were unwilling to pay the taxes and fees required to bring the bus into Canada, it was sitting in storage in the United States.As a result, on January 19, 1983, the Cougars traded the bus to the Breakers for Martin’s playing rights and $35,000. Martin earned the nickname “Bussey” for the remainder of his career.

Tom Martin, himself, on the trade: “I know it had bunks on it and it was definitely a team oriented bus. In the Western Hockey League they travel a lot and they need a good bus. Maybe it had better wheels than I did.”

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