Monday Caps Clips: Caps @ Kings Game Day
by J.P. on Jan 9, 2012 6:41 AM EST
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- Previews of tonight's meeting with the male monarchs from Vogs (with a bit more here), NHL.com, Peerless, RMNB, hockey yelling and Sick Unbelievable, and be sure to check out our SB Nation partner Jewels From The Crown for more coverage from the other side of tonight's match-up.
- Notes and assorted whatnot from yesterday's practice way out west:
- In general. [Caps365 video (Hunter)]
- Neither Nicklas Backstrom nor Mike Green skated. On a scale of one to ten, that really sucks. [WaPo]
- A look at the week that was. [Peerless, KOL]
- Saturday night in San Jose was a familiar story for the Caps on the road this season, one of snow-balling mistakes. [WashTimes, WaPo]
- Also from Saturday night, Alex Ovechkin standing up for a teammate may not have worked out for the team within the context of the game, but could have longer-standing implications. [WashTimes, WaPo, CSNW, with some discussion on the incident in this FanPost]
- The Southeast Division isn't exactly going according to plan; hopefully it corrects itself in the second half of the season. [Puck Daddy]
- What to do with fifty-two? [KOL, Capitals Outsider]
- LEGOvechkin is pretty awesome. [Capitals Outsider]
- Mark another win in the books for the Bears. [Patriot-News, SHoE]
- Evgeny Kuznetsov isn't impressed with the Swedes... well, their celebrating, at least. [RMNB, with more on Kuznetsov at the CAPS lock]
- Finally, happy fifty-bleepin'-seventh birthday to Bruce Boudreau - may your whale be Fudgie (and for more on how Boudreau's new gig is working out, hit up the WashTimes).
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In the odd coincidental close birthday department — Alex Forsythe, assistant coach of the Caps, is only 3 days old than Bruce Boudreau. As is Rowan Atkinson, MSEE, race car driver, actor and writer. Both were born on Jan 6 of that same year.
Rocking the Red for teams on the banks of the Potomac and at the Gateway Arch and Singing the Blues about Hockey.
Alex Forsythe isn’t a Caps assistant; Blaine Forsythe is.
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Caps playing Los Angeles one day after The King’s Birthday.
by Acer Jonesy's Laughker on Jan 9, 2012 8:06 AM EST up reply actions
I find it odd I just noticed I share a bday with bb
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Ha…thanks…I really was surprised to see that and how I didnt know that before..
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Holy mother the Penguins are falling apart. Neal’s got a broken foot, Staal’s out 4-6, and they just lost Adams to a knee injury.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 9, 2012 7:38 AM EST reply actions
Time for some more Byslmagic!
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Someone must have knocked over the voodoo shrine.
That'll make your weagle wink!
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Steckel.
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by J.P. on Jan 9, 2012 7:47 AM EST up reply actions 14 recs
oh noes! The voodoo shrine will never be the same!
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I was more thinking that this was cosmic payback for whatever dark magic they used to win the 2005 draft lottery.
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by Wheeler on Jan 9, 2012 8:39 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
The Isle topped 500 last year.
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I think the team they have injured is better than the team they’re putting on the ice.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 9, 2012 7:55 AM EST up reply actions
Their defense & goaltending would suck, though…. only Kris Letang and Robert Bortuzzo?
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by thebreakawaygoal on Jan 9, 2012 8:01 AM EST up reply actions
Michalek’s been banged up all year and was day-to-day as of last week.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 9, 2012 8:05 AM EST up reply actions
And sadly, both of those teams can beat this one (I hope to stand corrected later this week).
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by red army line on Jan 9, 2012 8:04 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Really? The Penguins have lost their last four. A win tonight by the Caps would knock the Pens out of the top eight. No doubt about it: injuries are taking a toll on that team in a very real way.
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by Wheeler on Jan 9, 2012 8:29 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
oh, sweet baby jeebus, please let the Caps win tonight. PLEASE!
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I’m really high on the Penguins, and I hate it. All that losing their players does is seem to drop their shooting% (and you can probably guess that I don’t think much of that influence)…they stay a dominant, out-shooting team regardless.
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by red army line on Jan 9, 2012 9:46 AM EST up reply actions
… that can’t beat anyone good. They’re not doing it this year, and, IIRC, they were abysmal against good teams last year as well.
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year before as well, iirc. I’ll have to go find the very old fanpost I did, looking at how teams fared against “elite” competition. I think I did it last in the 2099-2010 season.
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seems I only calculated how the Caps did. The link to the Pittsburgh Posy Gazette’s look at how the pesn do against good teams no longer works. Bummer.
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I’m pretty sure they lost something like 75% of thier games to the top 8 teams in 2009-10.
Failure is always an option.
Sounds about right (and that might have been the year I was remembering).
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I get that normally you’d dismiss shooting%, but when you see all the top 6 talent of a team on the bench don’t you think the drop in shooting% is more than just bad luck? I don’t think it’s a stretch to believe that Neil is going to convert a higher % of opportunities than Dupuis.
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I still think they’re more talented than the least talented teams in the league.
Last year, the Oilers were at 8% and the Panthers 7.3%. I don’t think the injury-riddled Penguins should shoot worse than those teams. If they out-shoot by 7 shots per game (differential so far this season 7.2 per game), that’s in the neighborhood of half a goal per game, even if they shoot worse than the other team. Their D, goaltending, and special teams should be able to hold the other team to a reasonable total, and given the small spread teams generally have between GA and GF, they should be able to win a lot of games even without many of their top players healthy.
FWIW, last year the 5v5 shooting% range was 6.7% (NJ) to 9.2% (Philly). The year before that, it was 6.9% (Boston) to 11% (Caps) , and this year 5.6% (LA) to 10.6% (Boston).
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by red army line on Jan 9, 2012 10:06 AM EST up reply actions
And those are all good points regarding the raw shooting% number. But you didn’t cite that number, I still don’t know what it is. The point I was reacting to was:
All that losing their players does is seem to drop their shooting% (and you can probably guess that I don’t think much of that influence)
I think it makes perfect sense that a team’s shooting% would drop when you lose Crosby, Neal, Letang, Staal, etc.
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Yes, but in terms of generating shots it doesn’t seem to make a difference. Losing Gomez is hurting the Habs in terms of shots because Plekanec’s job gets even harder, but for the Penguins, they keep chugging along.
Raw 5v5 shooting this year is 7.6%, but again, I think they’re more talented than anything much lower (say, 7.2%). Last year, 8.1% (tied with the Caps), and 8.9% the year before that.
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by red army line on Jan 9, 2012 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
Holy mother the Penguins are falling apart. Neal’s got a broken foot, Staal’s out 4-6
I’ll take “People who Neil just included in ESPN article for Wednesday” for $600 Alex.
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Interesting stuff on injuries and cap hits – http://springingmalik.blogspot.com/2012/01/pain-game-201112-part-three.html (via C&B).
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And if you had to bet whether the Pens or the Caps are going to have a better Corsi% over the next 4-6 weeks who’d you bet on?
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Pens, longshot :(
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by red army line on Jan 9, 2012 9:46 AM EST up reply actions
If you missed bagace’s FanShot on Danny Briere’s latest stickwork, check it out. I’ve said it before – there isn’t a guy in the League who is more careless and/or intentionally filthy with his twig.
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And no one ever brings him up in the discussion of dirtiest players in the game. The man’s Ric Effing Flair.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 9, 2012 8:06 AM EST up reply actions
Because dirty players don’t score. It’s always the 4th liners that are considered dirty. Yet very few of those guys have as many bean bag stick shots as Briere has on his record.
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Meh, Caps fans are defensive of our guy. He’s rarely mentioned in the discussion of dirtiest players except for a few butt hurt fan groups.
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That rep has certainly seemed to have died down recently. I chalk it up to folks finding it less necessary to talk shit about him when he’s not scoring.
Eat, drink, and be merry! And then drink some more.
Hook in nuts.
Dive at knee.
Huddle on ice as if mortally wounded.
Briere’s a piece of work all right.
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And to top it all off, he’s also the Diviest Diver That Ever Dived.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 9, 2012 9:17 AM EST up reply actions
I dunno, he’s got a lot of competition from his own team for the title of Diviest Diver The Ever Did Dive. Hartnell Down!
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Credit to him for dropping the gloves the other night, though, even if it was against Kyle Turris.
by DonnieKnutts on Jan 9, 2012 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
Article about the suspension
over the racist remark doled at Suban.
http://nhl-red-light.si.com/2012/01/06/barch-ruling-a-missed-opportunity/?sct=nhl_t11_a0
Am I missing something or is the author mistaken? The first paragraph he talks about this incident during the Panthers-Rangers and then he goes on about Montreal? What do the Rangers have to do with this?
The Ranger game was the one Barch, a Panther, missed as a result of his remark in a game against the Canadiens.
Reading comp, brother.
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Reading comp doesn’t exist until 1/4 of my coffee is consumed. A second run through makes sense. But seems odd to open up an article with such an emphasis on a game that has nothing to do with the rest of the article :P
Evgeny Kuznetsov isn’t impressed with the Swedes… well, their celebrating, at least.
I haven’t read the article, but I’m presuming he thinks they’re weak sauce for being able to get on the plane the next day.
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And now that I’ve read it, I realize that I need to make my jokes a little more farfetched.
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by Wheeler on Jan 9, 2012 8:45 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
So, Brad Marchand’s low bridge on Sami Salo Saturday night …suspension worthy? For just that play itself and setting aside priors for a moment, I don’t think it is—it looked to me like he used a counterhit as opposed to going for a kill shot—but I’m sure Shanny will use this teachable moment to sit him for a game. You’d think the ‘Nucks would know by heart Marchand’s duck under moves by now.
Cross check and all call.
He’s got a hearing today and I assume he will get at least a game or two.
I hate low-bridging. In any sport. That’s about the most evil thing you can do.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 9, 2012 8:56 AM EST up reply actions
Jack? Jack Edwards, is that you?
I’ve watched the replay multiple times, and I am convinced its suspendable. The evidence that puts it over the top for me is that Marchand completely ignores the puck right at his feet. He has to be able to take and accept a hit, if he wants to play in the NHL. He can’t claim that he hit, lest he be hit. Sorry. Doesn’t fly.
It was interference at its most brutal. Call it clipping or what you will. Play the puck and take the hit.
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Deterrence!!
Marchand said if he is suspended, he will not throw such hits in the future.
"I’ve done that a lot in the past,’’ Marchand said of his maneuver on Salo. "I’ve done it a few times this year. I did it a few times last year in the Cup Final. I’ve never been punished for it before. Just a different outcome on this one. It depends on how the league rules it. If that’s an illegal hit, then yeah, I’ll take that out of my game. From how I’ve been playing so far and different hits that have occurred, I haven’t been punished before. Nobody’s told me that’s an illegal way to protect myself. Until I’m told otherwise, I don’t really know how to react in that situation.’’
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 9, 2012 8:57 AM EST up reply actions
But officer, I’ve robbed banks repeatedly over the years and no one every told me that it’s wrong. It’s what I do. If you say stop, then, sure, I’ll stop.
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Eh, it’s more like “I’ve driven 10 MPH over the speed limit and never been pulled over.”
I haven’t seen the video of the hit.
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Grab the video and watch the puck.
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IIRC Steve Ott got nothing for this hit (though he did get suspended for the knee on Crombeen in that same game). If that hit is good, and Marchand is telling the truth that that’s how he “defends himself” then I still don’t buy the bank robbery analogy. I don’t like it, I’ve said it before, I think if you are going low you should have to be in a backwards skating approach. Skating forward and then ducking shoulder first to the legs is bush league, but as long as the league deems it legal there’s nothing we can say about it.
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LOL…Marchand spends half the shift punching Salo repeatedly in the head.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 9, 2012 9:07 AM EST up reply actions
Ha. I hate Jack Edwards.
You say play the puck…can’t taht apply to Salo as well? He was going for a big hit, and Marchand ducked it. Not hard to believe it was instinctual, but I agree with an interference call there. The concussion symptoms of Salo won’t help Marchand’s cause with Shanny either.
Cross check and all call.
Salo might have played the puck, had he had an opportunity to get to it. We’ll never know. That’s the real answer.
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In spite of the 5+GM in-game call, I’m guessing Marchand gets a one game suspension from Shanny, because his priors.
Cross check and all call.
He can’t get more than five anyway, if it’s a phone hearing.
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That was a dirty hit from the word go and the fact that the Bruins are trying to play “victims” again (see response to Lucic running Miller) is sickening.
Brickely: “We saw an earlier low hit from Ballaaaahd!”
Did we?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 9, 2012 9:12 AM EST up reply actions
I hope that when whatever dark force is through with systematically ruining every player on the Pittsburgh roster, he shifts his focus to the Bruins.
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If there was ever a team that needs to be taken down a peg or two, it’s that one.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 9, 2012 9:52 AM EST up reply actions
wouldn’t mind taking their fans down a few pegs, too.
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The Bruins are a bunch of dirty cockslappers. They can go rot in hell. The fact like they act that they’re forced to do this because of how mean other teams are is an absolute joke.
Once you take the fisting element out, it's not romantic anymore.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Jan 9, 2012 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
It should be suspended – going for the knees is not a counter hit, it’s a dirty play no better than going knee on knee. But I have no faith that Shanahan will suspend him. Marchand is a Bruin afterall.
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by Killer_Carlson on Jan 9, 2012 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
So. GMGM stopped by the Jackets-Ducks game last night.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 9, 2012 8:58 AM EST up reply actions
separated shoulder? maybe we can trade Tom Poti and Mike Green so the Caps medical staff has a different kind of injury to look at for once
RAMPAGE
by JediChewbacca on Jan 9, 2012 8:59 AM EST up reply actions
He separated his shoulder now? Jesus. Knee High said a while back that the only way that trade isn’t a resounding win for CBJ is if Jeff Carter can’t stay healthy. Nice job, Knee High.
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And, FWIW, Letestu is out with a broken pinkie for several weeks.
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Carter’s hurt? Shit.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 9, 2012 9:10 AM EST up reply actions
Stupid Beauchemin.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 9, 2012 9:11 AM EST up reply actions
Too bad they let Hejda sign with the Avalanche.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 9, 2012 9:10 AM EST up reply actions
He just needed to drop off Bruce’s last check and some knick-knacks he left in his office.
by Twenty Seven Ninety on Jan 9, 2012 9:25 AM EST up reply actions
He was in town. He wanted to see an NHL hockey game. He settled for Ducks-Blue Jackets.
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Sadly, it’s probably giving Shultz back to his BB.
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by BetterOffWith28 on Jan 9, 2012 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
Actually, I think there are a lot of players in Columbus who would fit the Caps’ needs. Brassard, Vermette, and Prospal would all be pretty effective in a Caps’ uniform; all are centers who can play wing or vice versa; all three are left-handed shots, and all three are in the salary range where you wouldn’t have to dump a ton of salary to fit them under the cap.
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He’s interesting to me, too, but he’s 29, signed until he’s 33, and his cap hit is pretty high (3.75 mil) relative to his production over this year and last. Also, his shots/game are down this year, which is of further concern. But he’s good on the dot and has tended to put up decent possession numbers in Columbus, plus I think you’re going to see any player traded out of there getting better.
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I think he’s solid defensively as well. He’s a guy that could play 2C for now and then move to 3C when the rebuild is over and the team has a real 2C and is ready to compete in the post-season.
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Looks great with his shirt off, too.
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Wouldn’t that mean he’s going out west, though?
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Remember, they’re not allowed to acquire anyone more handsome than Brooks Laich.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 9, 2012 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
there is no one more handsome than Brooks Laich, except for Henrik Lundqvist. And I don’t think he’s headed down I-95 anytime soon.
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From Vog’s preview:
Washington is 9-7-1 under Hunter, and the team that has scored the game’s first goal has won 15 of the 17 games since he took the reins.
Since the lockout, Caps have won 65% of the regulation games in which they scored first, 22nd in NHL. Ottawa has best mark at 76%.
Here is what really stood out for me tho:
In Hunter’s eight road games, the Capitals have owned a lead for just 30:39 of the 485 minutes of road hockey they’ve played.
NHL teams need to win playoff games on the road too, yea?
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It also says something about the “new NHL” with all that scoring and “no lead is safe” stuff when 2/3 of the teams in the League still win between 2/3 and 3/4 of their games when getting on the board first.
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Even the mighty Bruins are only 11-9-1 when they allow the first goal. Philly is the only other club with a better than .500 record when scored on first. The first lead in the NHL is safer than U.S. Treasury bonds.
If you've read this far...seek help.
Yeah. I wonder what the score-first win percentages look like in sports that actually have scoring. What does it look like in baseball?
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Chance of Winning a Baseball Game
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“The home team, in the top of the 1st, with 0 outs and bases empty, down by 4, won 24.4% of its games”.
Baseball teams won a quarter of their games when they were down four before retiring a single batter?! That’s nuts.
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In the last season before the lockout, only one team had a winning percentage above .400 when allowing the first goal. The year before that, only four teams. The year before that, two teams.
You gave up the first goal, you lost.
If you've read this far...seek help.
Std dev of margin of victory over past few decades:
70s 1.9
80s 1.7
90s 1.4
00s 1.3
Much tighter games.
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by NGreenberg on Jan 9, 2012 9:29 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Wonder how much that has to do with the accumulation of talent and the salary cap? Seems like the NHL would like to build itself an NFL type model where there are one or two really “good” teams, one or two really “bad” teams, and everyone else is mediocre.
Also wonder how much the charity point has changed things in terms of how teams go in the third period if the game’s tied.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 9, 2012 9:40 AM EST up reply actions
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Oh man, I would have loved to be in the room when Lombardi heard the news. Too good.
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by Killer_Carlson on Jan 9, 2012 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
Jackets fire Arniel.
Fedor Tyutin is a coach killer.
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Wonder who replaces him?
Oh how things would have been different if Boucher had taken that job.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 9, 2012 9:56 AM EST up reply actions
They’re going with Richards as interim for the rest of the season, apparently.
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Michael, because of his racially sensitivity.
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by nogoodtrying on Jan 9, 2012 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
…Todd?
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He’s got that joy, joy, joy, joy…
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 9, 2012 10:38 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Sure it isn’t Rick Nash? How many coaches has he gone through?
Oh, he has a gold medal. Can’t be him.
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Yeah, I snarked similarly on teh Twitterz.
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Btw, to answer your question, I believe this is Head Coach #8 for Nash. Wow.
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I thought it was 10th.
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Wiki seems to say 8th, but it’s been wrong before.
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Five were in-season changes. Oof.
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Todd Richards becomes the eighth coach in #CBJ franchise history, including three interim coaches. This is the club’s 11th season.
And if the franchise ends up failing, it’ll end up getting blamed on the fans, just like Atlanta.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 9, 2012 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
Good thing five of the eight weren’t “interim” and had real job security…
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nothing quite says “clusterfuck of an organization” like that.
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Blue Jackets are so dumb. That team is just due! They have good underlying numbers and are just unlucky. Stay the course!
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by Rob Parker on Jan 9, 2012 9:57 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Arniel get screwed by randomness. CBJ 11th in Fenwick Close….. 7.6 shooting % and .895 save %.
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If Howson could just decide Mason wasn’t cutting it and went out and got a real goalie, they’d do a lot better.
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Per Corey Pronman:
Arniel get screwed by randomness. CBJ 11th in Fenwick Close….. 7.6 shooting % and .895 save %.
Buy or sell that he’s out essentially due to luck?
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That eight-game Wisniewski suspension to start the season didn’t help, nor Jeff Carter’s numerous injuries. Can those be considered luck factors?
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Different kind of luck.
Not luck: Steve Mason sucking at hockey.
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by J.P. on Jan 9, 2012 10:06 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I look forward to Steve Mason embarking on a career in medical billing solutions.
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That joke? Aces.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 9, 2012 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
Ouch.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 9, 2012 10:09 AM EST up reply actions
Steve Mason no bueno
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Sell. CBJ has been a favored team in the stats community for years now. They’ve just been unlucky. And unlucky. And unlucky. And yet at some point it has to be more than just luck. They aren’t a good team. They’ve had coaches that have done a good job at getting them to play tight and shorten games, but their goaltending has stunk minus a half-season white-hot run by Steve Mason and they don’t have enough talent to actually put the puck in the net. The bad PP isn’t “bad luck” it’s a collection of not great players that can’t take advantage of the PP.
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Yeah, I don’t buy, for example, a low SV% necessarily being “bad luck.” I’m much more comfortable explaining that with “Sieve Mason is simply ‘not good.’”
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And the entire severing of the goaltender from the team? Dubious. “Well aside from their goalie they are a solid team!” Yeah, too bad that guy has to actually play every night. And 11th in Fenwick isn’t exactly gangbusters. The raw difference between 11th and 19th is probably not a huge amount, as well.
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"Well aside from their goalie they are a solid team!"
I don’t get what’s so bad about saying something like this. It pretty nicely summed up the Caps for most of this season. I understand that a goalie is part of the team, but it doesn’t make the above point any less accurate.
I guess. But I also find it ridiculous to say that a team with 0 playoff victories (games, not series) in a decade is “just unlucky” or even worse “would be a success in any other division in the league.” CBJ isn’t a good team. End of story.
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I can’t remember where, but someone wrote that guys would come to Columbus and just be flabbergasted by the culture of “eh” there, and it’s pervasive throughout the organization and has been for years.
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Good thing they brought in a hard-working character guy like Jeff Carter.
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Is there any reason to think Carter isn’t a hard worker? Or that he’d be happy with a culture of “eh”? He’s had success at every level he’s played, I doubt he wants to be in “eh” purgatory.
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Isn’t there plenty of reason to believe he’s not “a character guy”? Isn’t that most of the reason PHI shipped him out?
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I wouldn’t consider Pronger a character guy, but they kept him and shipped out the guys that were in conflict with him.
’course, I doubt anyone would be stupid enough to take that contract, so….
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I’d say Pronger isn’t a character guy in the sense that you wouldn’t necessarily want him tutoring your eight-year old on how to deliver a clean hit.
Is he a guy I’d love in the Caps locker room? Damn right (health nonwithstanding).
Pronger is absolutely a character guy by the fact that they kept him and got rid of the other two guys. Unless you think Philly traded the character guys and kept the problem guy.
Philly can’t trade Pronger. No one is stupid enough to take that contract. So that left trading the guys that were on the otherside of the locker room rift.
Look, Mike Richards and Jeff Carter aren’t exactly choir boys. But Pronger is no locker room saint, from what I’ve read.
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by Scott in Shaw on Jan 9, 2012 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
Pronger/s contract only becomes valuable at the end of that deal, when he’s owed like 500k but his cap hit is still 4.9. But that’s not till 15-16 and 16-17.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 9, 2012 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
Should also add the caveat that that’s only true under the current CBA structure. We have no idea what it’s going to look like after this season.
If nothing changes though, you’re right, that could be valuable to a floor team.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 9, 2012 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
I guess that depends on how much deference you give PHI’s front office and their other moves… no? Bryz is different because he’s a goalie, but I think it’s fair to ask whether he’s a character guy in light of the comments from his ex-PHX teammates and some of the stuff (albeit edited) on 24/7. Goalies are a different breed for sure, but I think there’s enough of a cloud of uncertainty around PHI that it’s hard to draw such firm conclusions. (They also brought in noted character guy Jaromir Jagr…)
We did a drinking game for 24/7, drink beer for every f-bomb and a shot for every “motherfucker.” I went through a six pack on my own. Only had to take one shot though.
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That’s fair. But from rumor-to-fact, there’s an awful lot of circumstantial evidence related to Jeff Carter as a teammate.
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Considering he yapped at Rupp later, that was what I thought.
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I love Giroux. 24/7 just cemented it.
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What came out of PHX re. Bryz? General “he’s a weird guy” type of stuff, or was there more edge to it than that?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 9, 2012 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
We call that “Pulling a Parker.”
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I don’t miss seeing that guy on a regular basis. No siree bob.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 9, 2012 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
Howson? More like “How soon… can they fire him?” Amirite?
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It was actually from a prior post.
November 30 – Head coaches Bruce Boudreau, Paul Maurice and Randy Carlyle are all fired within days of each other after Scott Arniel learns how to get his cell phone to automatically forward his incoming calls.
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Anson Carter bringing the heat
CBJ, firing your coach isn’t the answer. Ur whole org needs a culture change. Treating young guys like vets and vets like rooks equals #fail
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 9, 2012 10:18 AM EST up reply actions
With any luck, one of the beat folks will ask Chimmer for his thoughts on the organization.
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Also, how many of the folks that are around now were around when Carter was a Jacket?
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Don’t think that tweet has to be based on his time with the org., but no surprise, not many…Nash and that may be it except for some off-ice staff. Amazing how many changes the organization has made, but nothing to show for those changes.
That’s sorta my point. Different GM, different coaches… does Carter honestly believe that treating vets like crap is a directive from ownership? And ask Nikita Filatov how much of a veteran he was treated like as a rookie. Or Johansen. Etc.
There may be some validity to Carter’s criticisms, but without spelling them out more clearly, it’s just bomb-throwing.
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What could Columbus get for Nash? Would the Caps trade their two firsts, Orlov, and Semin for him and Vinny Prospal?
I’d say because of that, and giving up the two firsts is just too much to pay. I’d give up OUR first maybe, but not Colorado’s.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 9, 2012 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
That, his age, and the two firsts.
He’s past his years of greatest production, he’s not a discount contract, he’s not a position of need, and it would cost the team’s two best reloading assets. Plus, even at a discount Semin is worth at least a first round pick, so you’re asking if I’d trade 3 first round picks and a promising young defenseman for Nash and Prospal (36 years old when season ends, UFA)? That seems facially absurd to me, but maybe I’m a homer. Make the case that the proposed trade would help the Caps at all.
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by Rob Parker on Jan 9, 2012 12:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
And this maybe completely unfair or totally wrong, but Nash has never looked like the um…most “fit” guy in the world. I’m terrified he’ll end up throwing his back out trying to eat pancakes.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 9, 2012 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
He’s afflicted with the dreaded “chubby cheeks.”
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I thought we called it, “GreenLife52”?
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It’s because it is a terrible deal for the Caps.
Once you take the fisting element out, it's not romantic anymore.
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I wouldn’t make that deal if I were DC.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 9, 2012 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
Man, I thought if it hadn’t come yet, then it was never going to happen on this season.
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Gotta be that they waited and waited and waited out of a strong desire not to have to be paying a guy to not work (though that’s what they’ve done with Wisniewski most of the season – zing!).
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Bruce Boudreau just got his second coach fired of the year.
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I hate to say it...
…but I’ve given up on Mike Green.
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I hate to ask it...
But when do we consider whether VC is is literally a professional hazard? Do we need to test for OSHA standards?
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Ask Tom Poti. Or Chris Clark.
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But both Green’s injury last night and his injury against the Devils came on the road.
The Caps were middle of the pack last year in terms of man-games lost to injury.
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by KNUUUUUUUUUUBLE on Jan 9, 2012 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
To that first point, the fact that the injuries themselves happened on the road doesn’t mean that his groin isn’t over-worked (hey now) or weakened by playing his home games on a bad sheet and thus is more susceptible to injury anywhere. (That would be the theory, at least.)
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Yeah, I figured that would be the argument. But again, it’s not like the Caps are anywhere near the top in terms of injuries.
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by KNUUUUUUUUUUBLE on Jan 9, 2012 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
What if you removed concussions and freak injuries (broken bones and whatnot)? What if you only looked at injuries that could be reasonably be attributed to ice conditions?
Impossible to say, but I don’t think any rink (unless it’s a rainy one at night /Cox’d) is any more or less likely to be the site of a concussion, while it’s not unreasonable to think that a given sheet may be more likely to cause a groin injury, no?
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Yes, but I’m way to lazy to conduct that type of research.
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by KNUUUUUUUUUUBLE on Jan 9, 2012 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
What if you only looked at injuries that could be reasonably be attributed to ice conditions?
I can pull this groin list. What injuries should I look at?
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Hmm. Groins for sure.
It’s hard to say. Obviously, it’s easier as a theoretical exercise. Take a knee, for example – could be a rut, could be a check. Should those be included?
I guess just groins, then maybe groins + knees and maybe non-broken ankles? Just spit-ballin’.
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Groins, knees, and ankles would be where to look, but then you’d have to weed out the impact injuries to knees and ankles.
I think sports hernias would also be one that would be interesting to look at, but that is nearly impossible given NHL reporting practices.
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Right, that’s what I was sayin’.
And you could add in “abdominal” to capture the sports hernias that are reported, right?
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Man, that must have been some terrible ice.
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His foot gets caught in a rut. If not for the rut, it gives completely on contact and he simply trips. Two-minute minor, move on.
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Nah, I’m just goofin’.
That said, I have no proof whatsoever that Bobby Clarke did not say that or something similar.
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It wasn’t Bobby Clarke. It was Denis Potvin in disguise.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 9, 2012 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
To start, here are groin injuries by team since Oct 1 2010:
MIN 11
NYI 9
COL 7
DET 7
ANA 6
CAR 6
BUF 5
VAN 4
WSH 4
TOR 4
NYR 4
CBJ 3
PHX 3
EDM 3
PIT 3
NSH 3
PHI 2
LAK 2
TBL 2
OTT 2
DAL 2
WPG 1
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Are those unique instances or does MIN have guys that got hurt, came back, and re-aggrevated the same injury?
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Includes re-injuries.
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Wonder how that also might, in part, reflect how teams deal with these (pushing guys back in too soon, etc. – could be a bunch of repeat guys on that list). Also, severity would be a factor.
Btw, thx for the data.
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NP.
I don’t know NBA, but do any of those teams share NBA facilities like WSH does? Any common threads?
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Wolves share, no NBA team on LI, Nuggets share, Pistons don’t, no NBA in Anaheim or CAR, although NC State plays at RBC Centre, no in BUF or VAN, Raptors share, Knicks share, Sixers, Lakers (with two basketball teams and a zillion concerts), and Mavs share.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 9, 2012 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
Just for convo, the top 4 busiest arenas in the US as of January 2011 are MSG, Staples Center, American Airlines Arena in Dallas, and Philips Arena in Atlanta.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 9, 2012 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
And fewer NBA dates, but I assume they’ll pick up more concerts. But even that market is pretty fickle.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 9, 2012 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
That hit he took in NJ was pretty dirty, too.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 9, 2012 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
I’m guessing the Caps will make a token offer to Green at the end of the season if nothing else (can’t they get compensatory picks if he signs elsewhere?). I’m ready to cut ties myself, I don’t think it makes sense to build a defense that relies on Green playing more than 40 games a year. We’re now looking at 49 GP last season and very possibly less this season, not to mention his playoff durability.
It sucks. It really does. He’s gone from The Next Brian Leetch to the Next Tom Poti in a year and a half. I remember Peerless talked about how the Caps’ window with the current core was going to be a lot slimmer than many thought. Too much has to break right for it to stay together/productive for more than 2/3 years.
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Eff Leetch; Green was The Next Scott Niedermayer. With a better shot.
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Sorry if this has already been posted, but Dirk at OtF posted a nice look at the team-level ZS% and QoC SDs. Vancouver obviously is way high on the ZS deviation, and NYR matches hard, but a little surprising how little, relatively, the Caps are matching (maybe a result of matching only CLaW/Carlzner to top lines and not planning for much else).
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Is it really surprising? Bruce was never a line-matcher, and he’s still coached more than half of the games this team has played this season.
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Well, I guess I underestimated how little Bruce did it before, if DH is indeed doing it more. It’s not like Bruce was completely oblivious, either—he got Semin, Johansson, Perreault out in the offensive zone, Ovechkin out against 3rd and 4th lines, Laich out against top lines.
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2012 Mid Season Mock Draft
Yeah it’s early, but for shits and giggles I came across this page on a mid season 2012 mock draft done by one of the guys at The Hockey Writers.
For the Caps, he projects:
10th overall (own pick): Jacob Trouba (D, NTDP, USHL)
American John Carlson has been a fantastic pick for the Washington Capitals and his country-mate Jacob Trouba has the potential to be equally as good. Washington has two first round picks after trading Varlamov to Colorado and Trouba would fit perfectly on a team with good forward depth. Jacob has good size (6’2", 196 lbs) and is a player with good offensive skills who isn’t afraid to lay the body either.
14th pick (the one we got from the Avs): Martin Frk (RW, Halifax, QMJHL)
The Capitals’ second pick in the opening round allows them to take a bit of a risk and the concussion that has currently sidelined Martin Frk for most of the season is certainly risky. The Czech winger is a big gritty forward with good offensive skills. Frk was once considered by scouts as a potential first overall pick but his injury has caused him to slide. The talent is there and if Washington gambles on him here then it could pay off huge
A fun read, check out the link posted above.
I’m surprised they have Colorado finishing better than the Caps.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Jan 9, 2012 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
Going by current NHL standings as of last night.
by Rather Bengt on Jan 9, 2012 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
Hmmmm reading the opening paragraphs would have been a good idea. It’s sad that the Caps are tenth worst in the league right now. They shouldn’t be. But maybe we were mistaken and they just aren’t a very good team.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Jan 9, 2012 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
Caps also have a couple of games in hand on most teams, fwiw.
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Not that I am saying this is the case, but how long would the Caps have to struggle before the consensus becomes that Boudreau was able to consistently get a middle of the pack team to overachieve? They obviously were struggling before he arrived and he was able to turn a last place team into President’s Trophy winners. Now that he’s gone, what if they continue down the path of a .500 team? What if what we are seeing now is a reflection of the true talent level of this team?
It would explain the playoff failures under Boudreau; a team that plays above its talent level for whatever reason in the regular season will struggle once the playing field is leveled in the post season. Whatever advantage Boudreau may have had in motivation or the ability to instill confidence would be neutralized when playing the top teams in the league in a setting where everybody is motivated every game.
It would also explain the mental weakness this team has had. If your game is based on confidence and motivation, it’s going to fall apart whenever something happens to shake that confidence.
So if Boudreau’s success was based on his ability to instill confidence in his players, what happened this season? Well, we’ve all said that this team seems to have lost its swagger. My guess would be by changing his systems twice in the span of a year signaled to his players that he didn’t have confidence in his own system…so why should they? So what happens to a team that was riding a wave of confidence to carry them farther then their skill level would allow once that confidence is shattered? I sincerely hope we aren’t finding out.
by HockeyGoalie29 on Jan 9, 2012 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
The first change in system last year happened because the firewagon-style of hockey wasn’t working anymore; the Caps couldn’t score enough goals to keep winning 4-3. There was that 8 game losing streak that signaled the end of the old historically dominant offensive Caps.
Maybe Montreal completely destroyed their offensive confidence. Their power play was in the doldrums for a really long time.
The first change in system last year happened because the firewagon-style of hockey wasn’t working anymore
True, but what does it say to your players when you switch to a system that you have openly criticized and are on record as despising? I was surprised the players bought into it so well last season.
by HockeyGoalie29 on Jan 9, 2012 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
I guess that means the players realize that sometimes, what you have to do to win sucks. Horray!!!
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by red army line on Jan 9, 2012 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
I think Frk is going to plummet if he can’t get back and have a torrid end of the season. Not sure I’d want him.
I would LOVE to get Trouba for so many reasons. First, he was solid from what I saw at the WJC, I like his skill set. But on top of that, endless puns. You can go Kindergarten Cop “It’s not a Trouba!” or Jerky Boys “That’s a fuckin’ Trouba!” The only limit is how much time I can spend thinking ’em up!
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by Rob Parker on Jan 9, 2012 11:21 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I was quite impressed by Trouba from what I saw at the WJC and would have no issues with the Caps drafting him were he available.
by Rather Bengt on Jan 9, 2012 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
I’m hoping his daughter marries baseball legend Bobby Doerr so she can be “Trouba-Doerr”.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 9, 2012 11:36 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Per Corey Pronman
@ngreenberg mock drafts now are useless. Teams havent even met with their scouts yet. Wouldnt take Frk in top half of first.
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Frk was supposed to be The One for Halifax. They traded away a lot for the right to draft him and he’s been more-or-less an injured bust. Some good games, but I’m not sure enough to draft him in the first round.
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It’s impossible to look back at a draft pick and say it was a bad one based on injuries unless they were injuries which existed at the time of the draft or there were reasons to know he’d suffer an injury.
I know, but it is possible to look at a guy who hasn’t been able to play as he should have because of injury and say maybe we don’t use a first round pick on him. Particularly when one of the injuries is a bad concussion.
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Curious though, did they give up a lot to draft him? I don’t recall that specifically. I know they took a risk drafting him where they did, because they didn’t know if he’d actually come over and play for them.
Frk was a top-ranked talent for the import draft, I don’t see how one can look back and say now they shouldn’t have used a first round pick on him.
I know very little about Frk, but I do know that he’s a Walsh client and thus I am frequently annoyed by the mention of his name.
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Second EJ reference I’ve read from you in 5 minutes. Trying to not get the sun go down on you?
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by Bald Pollack on Jan 9, 2012 11:08 AM EST up reply actions
*let, fuck
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by Bald Pollack on Jan 9, 2012 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
Like Mona Lisas. And Mad Hatters.
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Hakuna Matata.
Nice guys finish first, but sometimes the season is awfully long.
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Vokouna Matata.
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by bilspacecadet on Jan 9, 2012 12:47 PM EST up reply actions 18 recs
I love this so much.
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by Scott in Shaw on Jan 9, 2012 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
It means no softies, for the rest of the gaaaaame!
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by Scott in Shaw on Jan 9, 2012 1:19 PM EST up reply actions
(Scene: July 2nd 2011. GMGM, Tomas Vokoun, and agent Michael Deutsch meet at Kettler Iceplex.)
MD/TV: Vokouna Matata! What a wonderful phrase
Vokouna Matata! Ain’t no passing craze
It means no worries for the rest of your games
It’s our problem-free puckstopology
Vokouna Matata!
GMGM: Vokouna Matata?
MD: Yeah. It’s our motto!
GMGM: What’s a motto?
MD: Nothing. What’s a-motto with you?
TV: Those two words will solve all your problems
MD: That’s right. Take Vokoun here.
Why, when he was a U F A…
TV: When I was a UUUUU FFFFFF AAAAAA!
MD: Very nice
TV: Thanks
MD: To GMs his play lacked a certain appeal
He couldn’t get a decent long term deal
TV: I’m a sensitive soul though I seem thick-skinned
And it hurt that my teams couldn’t buy a wiiiiiiin
And oh, the shame (MD: He was ashamed)
Thought of changin’ my game (MD: What’s in a game?)
And I got downhearted (MD: How did ya feel)?
Everytime that I…(started)
MD: Hey! Vokoun! Not in front of the GM!
TV: Oh. Sorry
MD/TV:Vokouna Matata! What a wonderful phrase
Vokouna Matata! Ain’t no passing craze
It means no worries for the rest of your games!
It’s our problem-free puckstopology
Vokouna Matata!
Vokouna Matata! Vokouna Matata!
Vokouna Matata! Vokouna Matata!
Vokouna Matata! Vokouna Matata!
Vokouna Matata! Vokouna—
GMGM: IT MEANS NO WORRIES, FOR THE REST OF OUR GAMES!
MD: Sing it kid!
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Vokouna Matata!
by HockeyGoalie29 on Jan 9, 2012 2:41 PM EST up reply actions 14 recs
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Ted:
There is a lot of noise right now – and lots of angst – I have found the best thing to do in times of stress and turmoil is to do research; be analytical; NOT emotional; and try to find ways to improve.
I appreciate all of your emails; and blog posts and suggestions on what to do.
Obviously – no one is happy with the progress we are making as a team; it is important that we be measured and smart in how we move forward.
On the plus side, he’s talking about the Wiz.
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Are they still winless?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 9, 2012 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
Just saw a note on Twitter that said the Wiz haven’t won a game in nine calendar months. Sad.
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Not even a pre season game win ?
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by BetterOffWith28 on Jan 9, 2012 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
I'M THE WIZ
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by KNUUUUUUUUUUBLE on Jan 9, 2012 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
I should brush up on my NBA #fancystats. Sadly, it is slightly ahead of NHL.
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Hollinger, right? He seems to have established himself as the Bill James of basketball.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 9, 2012 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
Yes, PER (and ESPNer).
I have the book “Basketball on Paper.” Decent read. Basketball-Ref blog was one of my favs until it got shut down.
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Do you think someday someone will break down hockey stats enough to come up with something like PER or WAR where it’ll be easy enough to see how much a player contributes through a relatively “simple” stat?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 9, 2012 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
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Also, HP’s GVT and Ryder’s PC metrics also do a great job.
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I am fervently rooting for the Wiz to beat the 72-73 Sixers record of futility. If you’re going to suck as a sports town, do it right. DC will not only have two franchises that hold the record for suckitude in their respective leagues, they will play (for lack of a better word) in the same building.
If you've read this far...seek help.
How many owners have nuked an NBA and NHL coach in the same season?
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1998 MLSE nuked both Mike Murphy (Leafs coach) and Darrell Walker (Raptors coach).
by Rather Bengt on Jan 9, 2012 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
How many owners have nuked an NBA and NHL coach in the same season?
Here is a list of firings since 2005 (post lockout) in the NHL and NBA. I don’t know enough about NBA to make connections but feel free.
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I’ll let Steinz inevitably tell me.
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This phrase struck me as something I haven’t read in a long time:
@TedStarkey Just two games in the NHL tonight, VAN-FLA and WAS-LA – if the Capitals win, Washington ties Pittsburgh for 8th.
Caps and Pens fighting it out for eighth!! Wow. Yes, it’s early, I know.
For the record, we’d have the lead with more wins in the same number of games.
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On BB giving intel to McLellan
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McLellan didn’t get it, apparently.
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by KNUUUUUUUUUUBLE on Jan 9, 2012 12:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The San Jose Mercury News didn’t interpret it properly. If he was joking, this should have been conveyed in the article. Another problem is that the Mercury News article also didn’t provide context, which was that it was during a presser, for which video was available. The article made it seem as if BB had made some underhanded move to talk to McLellan.
by jopierce on Jan 9, 2012 1:18 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I didn’t quite understand why McLellan felt the need to say anything to the Mercury News in the first place.
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n/m, I see that I misunderstood how the “offer” came to be. McLellan is absolved.
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“And the other half of the time, I open my mouth and have no idea what is coming out.”
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I’m not convinced by how it assigns defensive credit/blame. The offensive side is relatively easy to do and lots of people have done it. The defensive side is still a mystery, IMO.
Please, call me F&B.
I really think that hockey is the most difficult sport (of the major US ones) to do really good statistical analysis.
There isn’t enough scoring.
There aren’t clear and distinct singular actions like in baseball.
Possession is extremely fluid.
There are too many instances where your team can be horrible yet you win or when your team is amazing and you lose (because of goaltending).
Somebody will come up with something, sure. I’m still waiting.
Does anyone have any thoughts about the Point Shares system from hockey-reference.com?
It seems to have the same shortcomings plus/minus does: favors players on the best teams, esp those who play big minutes.
Also, I am not a fan of how they use PS, esp for similar players.
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Wasn’t around a lot this weekend, but pre-Green injury, was there much discussion about the decision to pair Green and Orlov together?
I only saw portions of the SJS game, but I missed most of the part when Green was playing. How did they look as a pairing before Green left the game due to injury? As I posted last week before the home game, I don’t understand the decision to pair those two together.
I know Green is injured now, but curious what others think and how they looked together.
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EDM puts C Gilbert Brule on re-entry waivers.
ANA puts D Mark Fraser on waivers. NSH puts LW Brodie Dupont on waivers.
Speaking of…. unless someone on the Pens has a season ending injury, they’re kind of hosed on the trade deadline in terms of taking on salary if I read cap geek right. Not much cap space available.
It’s scary how many good teams have a boatload of available space, though.
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But if the Pens LTIR Sid, they’ve got plenty to work with, no?
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That was my implication. But they have to decide if he’s not coming back at all, right? You can expand the roster at the deadline, but not the cap. So he wouldn’t be able to come back for the playoffs, even. Like last year. I question if they’re ready to make that decision.
"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."
Why couldn’t he come back for the playoffs? It’s what a lot of us think the Caps did with Green – LTIR him for the regular season, do what you need to do, then have him for G1 of the playoffs.
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And if they LTIR Sid and he misses the rest of the season and playoffs, they’re pretty much doneski anyway.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 9, 2012 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
They proved last year that they could make the playoffs without him (and Malkin). It’s the other multitudes they’re missing off the roster that compound the problem this go-round.
"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."
But when they did make the playoffs, they were Boucher’d.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 9, 2012 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
And your point? ;)
"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."
It’s not easy to win a Cup with just one center.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 9, 2012 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
From Erik Erlendsson (TBL Beat reporter)
Tom Pyatt gets a 2 year extension with the Bolts. One way deal worth $600,000 per year.
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His old man played for the Caps:
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The STL Blues also gave out a 2 year 600,000 per year extension to a forward, Reaves. link
Anyone going to the game tonight?
And is there some sort of meet-up afoot? Could use a cheap ticket too.
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Per Katie, the team has sent 19 and 52 back to D.C.
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Woof.
I’ll be extremely happy if they just get the charity point tonight.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 9, 2012 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
At this rate, come Wednesday night Hunter and Lemieux may have to suit up.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 9, 2012 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
No truth to the rumor that 52 had to fill out a Limited Liability Release Form in case of damage during transit.
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by Bald Pollack on Jan 9, 2012 2:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
What’s that I hear? The slow trickle of this season going down the drain?
I don't want to work, I want to hang on the blog all day.
Hey now, not so fast—Gilbert Brule is available on re-entry waivers.
by Rather Bengt on Jan 9, 2012 2:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
More from Katie:
McPhee said neither Backstrom nor Green was going to play tonight. Wants them to get back rather than fly cross-country tonight. #Caps
Somebody say road trip? : )
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It’ll be the bizarro Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas.
Reminds me also of the legendary road trip that Marlon Brando, Michael Jackson and Elizabeth Taylor took to LA from NY post-9/11 when they couldn’t get a flight. Brando kept making them stop at every KFC they passed.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 9, 2012 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
omg, I’d’ve killed myself if I were on that trip.
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by BetterOffWith28 on Jan 9, 2012 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
Per Vogs on Twitter, we’re getting Bernier tonight.
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Quick’s putting up video game numbers.
18-11-6, 1.93, .934 and a Morganna the Kissing Bandit level of support.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 9, 2012 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
He probably starts in Sochi right? I don’t see Timmy lasting another two years, and Miller’s starting to slide a bit (and he will be 34). Quick’s only going to be 28 and just hitting ye olde prime.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 9, 2012 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
He was an unbelievable asshole, but also a really good goalie for the time. In fact, he was a little bit ahead of his time as far as goalie play goes. He was big, could move the puck well, and played a modified butterfly.
Yup.
His wife stabbed him in the leg, causing him to miss most of the 94-95 season. His own wife stabbed him!
Wow. You gotta be some kind of asshole for your own wife to stab you. Or burn your house down.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 9, 2012 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t think mine would stab me, but I have seen the looks she gives me while she’s ironing clothes. Uh oh.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 9, 2012 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
I despised Barrasso when he played. The fact that he played for two of my least favourite teams in Buffalo and Pittsburgh was a big part of it.
And he was a major asshole.
I’ll never forgive Barrasso for pinching out Darren Puppa.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 9, 2012 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
Was that during the intermission or did PIT have to use a timeout?
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by Rob Parker on Jan 9, 2012 3:25 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Hair as brutal as the lack of a subject line.
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by Rob Parker on Jan 9, 2012 3:38 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
No love for Iron Mike Lee? ;)
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 9, 2012 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
Quick, Howard, Cory Schneider. Done.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 9, 2012 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
It’d be pretty cool if somehow Schneider ended up playing against Luongo in the Olympics.
I don't want to work, I want to hang on the blog all day.
I dunno. Luongo will be 34. They could do a lot worse than Price, Ward, and MAF, although the last two are pretty much the exact same guy.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 9, 2012 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
Boy he’s not really having a good year. 2-4-1, 2.82, .893
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 9, 2012 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
Last year he got plenty of starts and posted better numbers. Maybe just a matter of working himself into a groove.
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by red army line on Jan 9, 2012 3:00 PM EST up reply actions
Could be. I saw him a few times at Manchester and he’s pretty good.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 9, 2012 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
Neuvy did a great job in a goalie-duel 2010 Eastern Conference Final series against Manchester when Andrew Gordon got hurt and the Hershey power play machine fell apart and the team stopped scoring.
According to my notes (via Peerless), Neuvy was better in overtime three times in that series.
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Btw, as I was wondering if Neuvy will ever get a start again, I glanced at Hunter’s goalie usage in London over the past handful of years. Nothing really stood out… except when he had Steve Mason in 2006-07 and Mason got 90% of the total minutes.
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Well based on how the Caps have played this year that bodes well. Hunter has experience handing huge minutes to a sieve.
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by Rob Parker on Jan 9, 2012 3:02 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
90% of the total minutes eh? Who does Hunter think he is, Mike Keenan?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 9, 2012 3:03 PM EST up reply actions
If he was really Keenan, though, Vokoun would’ve been pulled, put back in, pulled again, and then put back in to play the last 53 seconds of a 4-3 loss.
I’m so thankful Keenan isn’t coaching this team, but I miss having him in the NHL just for the entertainment value.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 9, 2012 3:17 PM EST up reply actions
There are a lot of fans here who’d disagree with you. If I remember correctly, there were some fans who wanted Keenan to become the next coach here. They cited the fact that Ilya Kovalchuk had a good opinion of him. And the fact that he does instill discipline.
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Phil Oreskovic called up to Hershey from the Stingrays. Phil is prolly filling in for Patrick Wellar, who went out with a high ankle sprain in the Outdoor Classic.
Kinda wish we could see Dustin Stevenson, but … yeah. The Bears are playing mostly on the raod the next two weeks anyway.
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Awwww, that’s cute. Julien thinks the Nucks are as dirty as his Bruins:
I think it’s pretty hypocritical, everything that’s been going on. It’s unfortunate because, you know, sometimes you gotta look in your backyard. We all know that [Vigneault’s] got the same type of players on his team and they’ve all done the same thing. You just have to look at Burrows putting his blade in Thornton’s throat. It’s so hypocritical. It’s unfortunate. I guess we’re stupid, we’re idiots, they’re the smartest team in the league.
Man, the Bruins can rot in hell. Not only are they the dirtiest team in the league, they are incredibly whiny. Dealing with them is like hiring an insincere baby with amnesia to solve a crime it committed.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Jan 9, 2012 3:39 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
That’s not to say that Burrows isn’t a dirty shit, though.
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His dirty play doesn’t even come close to rivaling the Bruins. Especially when you take into account how dangerous their play is to the health of other players. They’re scumbags, yes, but they’re not nearly as dangerous as half the Bruins roster.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Jan 9, 2012 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
In fairness to the rest of the hockey world, the Nucks are whiny and dirty.
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Not to the extent that the Bruins are. When a player like Marchand (or Lucic) is crying “Woe is me, I’m defending myself against the big bad Salo (or Miller)” it takes whiny bullshit to a whole new level. Those pukes can’t fail fast enough.
If you’re gonna be a dirty scumsucking asshole at least man up. You can’t be one of the dirtiest players in the league AND a whiny little pussy. I don’t remember seeing anything about Bobby Clarke ever crying that woe is me line that the Bruins love (though it wouldn’t surprise me, and feel free to prove me wrong; I wouldn’t mind more reasons to hate that dirt bag.)
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Jan 9, 2012 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed. Just pointing out that the ’Nucks are also a detestable squad (more on the “whiny/divey” side of things than the “dirty” side).
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Agreed wholeheartedly. I’ve had the discussion many times before, the Nucks brand of scumbaggery is more of the annoyance side of things. Which I find far less detestable. I’ll be annoyed by a Lapierre or a Burrows (though I actually like Burrows for whatever reason), but I find it hard to really hate them because they aren’t really going to injure anyone like a Steve Ott or Raffi Torres.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Jan 9, 2012 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
He’s like … not even a real person.
But there are always exceptions. Backstrom injured Goc; is he dirty? One hit does not a dangerous player make.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Jan 9, 2012 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
I’d say that Lapierre’s dangerous hit was way more intentional and dangerous than what Baxter did, and Lapierre has much more of a history. He’s dirty with the stick and then looks to draw the retaliation. Ask Nick Lidstrom if dirty stick work can hurt a guy.
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Testicular torsion, oof. And I pretty much agree with all of that. But I still think in general Lapierre is not a very dangerous player. Players like he and Plekanec may be liberal with their stick, but they aren’t often jabbing guys in the yam bags a la Danny Briere (not that I’ve seen or remember, and I watch 80 games a year [more actually]).
(I wasn’t trying to compare the Baxter and Lapierre hits, just using that as an easy example.)
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Jan 9, 2012 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
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by Rather Bengt on Jan 9, 2012 6:50 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Did Marchand waive his right to an in-person hearing? Generally, I thought that in-person hearings were required when a suspension of more than 3 games is warranted.
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I am legitimately shocked. Way to go Shanahan.
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