Tuesday Caps Clips: Bruins @ Caps Game Day
Your savory breakfast links:
- Previews of tonight's battle with the
conscientious objectorsB's from Vogs, NHL.com, WashTimes, SB Nation DC, Peerless, RMNB and CRtC, and be sure to check out our SB Nation partner Stanley Cup of Chowder for more coverage from the other side of tonight's match-up. - Notes and assorted whatnot from yesterday's practice:
- In general. [Caps365 video (Kettler Report, Hunter, Ovechkin), 106.7 The Fan, WashTimes, WaPo]
- Nicklas Backstrom took a twirl, so that's... something. [WashTimes, WaPo, DCEx, CSNW]
- And Marcus Johansson seems to be feeling better. [WashTimes]
- And in bigger news, yesterday's Tale of Two Supplemental Discipline Decisions:
- Zbynek Michalek got nothing - no suspension, no fine, no loss of TV privileges or dessert - for the elbow he delivered to the back of Matt Hendricks' head, driving Hendricks face-first into the boards. [Puck Daddy, WashTimes, WaPo, SB Nation DC]
- Alex Ovechkin, however, had the Shanahammer dropped on him to the tune of an unpaid three-game suspension for his bad hit on Michalek. [Dump 'n Chase, Puck Daddy (and again), WashTimes (and more and more and a transcript of the explanation), WaPo (and more), DCEx, CSNW, 106.7 The Fan, WTOP, PHT, SB Nation DC, Frankovic, Peerless, Examiner, RMNB, Hockey Hourly, Sick Unbelievable, Nosebleeds, hockey yelling]
- Tomas Kundratek has been reassigned to Hershey. [WashTimes]
- Breaking down the overtime breakdown against Pitt. [WashTimes]
- Mike Knuble stays positive despite his tough season. [KOL]
- Stats matter to geeks like us... do they matter to the guys posting the numbers? [OFB]
- Twenty-four goalies in the League better than Tomas Vokoun? I'll take the under. [THN, via @davegisaac]
- Has the proverbial window shut? (And if so, should Thompson Creek work that into an ad campaign? I'm thinking, "The window has closed on these Capitals... have you done the same to Old Man Winter?") [Homer McFanboy]
- Hocky 'n Heels, y'all. [Capitals Outsider]
- The upside of being suspended? Free time to buy stuff for the new house! [Business Insider]
- Finally, happy 39th birthday to the Ferraro twins, Chris and Peter and happy 63rd to Guy Charron.
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I believe you are thinking of Zbynek, not his brother
FWIW, a solid number (over 50%) of Pens fans thought or were at least expecting Michalek to get supplemental discipline. As a first-time offender (and someone who never really hits, TBH), was expecing at least a fine.
Defending the Ovechkin hit…come on now. He routinely leaves his feet to make checks, and it was only a matter of time before he made solid head contact like he did on the shorter Michalek. The nonsense about “he led with the shoulder” or “he left his feet after contact” just doesn’t stand up to examination. I’m willing to admit Z’s hit was quite dangerous on Hendricks (and should have been punished, regardless), as long as we call a spade a spade on OV.
I’d suspect if you held a straw poll, most everyone here was bracing for some kind of Ovechkin suspension and have no problem with it other than it’s maybe a game too long.
However, when compared and contrasted to Michalek’s forearm guide (of sorts) of Hendricks’ head into the boards, it is how you say hinkey.
Or more like SHAM-ahan, amirite?
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by Bald Pollack on Jan 24, 2012 7:17 AM EST up reply actions 12 recs
I wasn’t around when the decisions were announced, but around here I think it’s pretty clear that the outrage is over the lack of anything for Michalek, not Ovechkin’s suspension, although three games might have been a bit harsh.
Michalek’s hit was retaliatory, deliberate and directly to the back of the head. Shanahan’s developing either blindness or idiocy if he thinks anything else. He started out so well; amazing it took him all of three months to fail at his job.
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I wasn’t around when the decisions were announced, but around here I think it’s pretty clear that the outrage is over the lack of anything for Michalek, not Ovechkin’s suspension, although three games might have been a bit harsh.
I think that about nails it. Sure, there are some folks who will defend the Ovi hit (breaking: fans can be biased), but I’d say 90+ percent of us thought the hit deserved supplemental discipline.
I’m just appalled that Michalek was let off without even so much as a fine so that something was on his record. That hit was filthy.
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by J.P. on Jan 24, 2012 7:35 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
cool...
And that’s kind of my thought too. I think the Ovechkin suspension was “just right”, and I think that Michalek should most certainly have been disciplined (hell, at least a fine). I was actually shocked when he wasn’t.
by Matt Shaffer on Jan 24, 2012 7:52 AM EST up reply actions
I believe you are thinking of Zbynek, not his brother
Well that’s a nice fuck up to start the day.
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jan 24, 2012 9:26 AM EST up reply actions
I think the biggest issue I have is that the NHL is claiming they want to take headshots out of the NHL and then you have pretty much a textbook “elbow to the head driving the opposing player into the boards” and there are suddenly circumstances (a knee buckling caused him to lead with his elbow, really?) which make that an ok hit. The precedent has now been set and every player that does that moving forward will point to this ruling as why they shouldn’t face any punishment. Shanahan has put himself in a very bad situation with this decision. A fine would have at least put the message out that this type of hit is not ok.
not only that, but shanahan was inconsistent with his own ruling against lucic last month. lucic got suspended for hitting a guy from behind into the boards — with no head contact at all. even if hendricks hadn’t been low to the ice, he should have been suspended under that precedent.
On the Ovechkin Hit...
I am not saying that it wasn’t a suspension worthy hit or that it was. I am curious as to why four experienced officials all didn’t think it was worthy to call a penalty on the play when it happened. I doubt that all four sets of eyes missed the hit since the puck was just in the vicinity and it was clear that the refs saw Ovechkin coming at Michalek. Again, four guys who are trained to see hits like this were on the ice, and either they all missed it, or any of them that saw it thought it was illegal.
And yes, the linesmen are part of this, since this hit was worthy of a suspension it would mean the hit was worthy of a major penalty, meaning the linesmen can call it is as well as the refs.
Does Shanny even talk to the game officials before making his suspension decisions? I’d love to hear what they thought of the hit and why they didn’t call anything.
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jan 24, 2012 9:51 AM EST up reply actions
My roommate and I were pondering this last night. You have to figure Michalek asked one of the refs why there was no call on the play, and presumably got an answer. Something like “it looked like he [blah blah blah].” That ref probably feels like a big jackass right now.
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by iwearstripes on Jan 24, 2012 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
Or Shanny never consulted with the officials before issuing the suspension.
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jan 24, 2012 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
Would it make a difference if he had? The suspension isn’t undeserved. I’m sure Terry Gregson is giving them an earful about missing it in the first place, but I’m not sure there’s anything there (in this particular case) to need the input of the on-ice officials. In the case of a racial slur, or an incident not caught on film, that might be different, but this one is pretty clear cut.
Maybe I’m alone in seeing it, but I feel like the hits that don’t get penalized in the game are more likely to earn a suspension than the ones that do.
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by iwearstripes on Jan 24, 2012 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
I am curious as to why four experienced officials all didn’t think it was worthy to call a penalty on the play when it happened.
FWIW, Deryk Engelland agrees with you completely.
by PensAreYourDaddy on Jan 24, 2012 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
Newsflash: NHL refs routinely fuck up!
Release the Mackan!
by Killer_Carlson on Jan 24, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
On an individual basis, I’d agree. How four of them might miss a charging major at the same time, I don’t know. This is why they went with the 2 referee system in the first place.
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jan 24, 2012 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
Four refs have fucked up on major penalties before. It’s not the first time, it won’t be the last.
Release the Mackan!
by Killer_Carlson on Jan 24, 2012 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
On that note, any consensus on allowing linesmen to have more responsibility in blowing the whistle? Occasionally behind the play they’re only skating back up the ice and they have nothing else going on. Could always catch something the trailing ref missed.
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I don’t think they want the linesmen to become 3rd and 4th refs so they’ll probably only want linesmen blowing the play dead if the puck leaves play, offsides/icing, or maybe an injury.
Please, call me F&B.
Linesmen blow the play dead for those reasons and for too many men on the ice.
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jan 24, 2012 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
I’ve seen it happen on at least one occasion. An incident in a playoff game (I think in 1990) between Calgary and Edmonton when Marty McSorely (surprising no one) clocked Mike Bullard over the head with the stick. The linesman blew the play dead (which would have happened anyway since Bullard was out cold on the ice) and indicated the penalty to the referee.
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jan 24, 2012 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
Linesmen are allowed to call any major or misconduct penalty, as well as a too many men on the ice. They can also report to the referee if they see something the referee missed.
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jan 24, 2012 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
happy 63rd to Guy Charron
Guy Charron: Washington’s representative in the 1977 All-Star Game.
Also: I noticed the dateline on one of the SB Nation stories form Kettler was “Ballston, VA”. Ironic, no?
by Acer Jonesy's Laughker on Jan 24, 2012 7:15 AM EST reply actions
Almost as ironic as me commenting on a typo with a typo.
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by Acer Jonesy's Laughker on Jan 24, 2012 7:34 AM EST up reply actions
Guy Charron, the unluckiest player in NHL history. Managed to play nearly 700 games in the regular season without ever once playing in a playoff game. Not because of injury, but because he was never on a team good enough to make the playoffs.
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jan 24, 2012 9:27 AM EST up reply actions
Jay Bouwmeester’s chasing the wrong guy.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 24, 2012 9:29 AM EST up reply actions
Boumeester is about 50 games away from Charron. If he stays in Calgary he will break the record sometime next season, unless the Flames make the playoffs (I know, but stranger things have happened) this year or next year and he suits up for a game…
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jan 24, 2012 9:42 AM EST up reply actions
Hey, if the window’s shut, might as well complete the face heel turn to the rest of the NHL. Full old time hockey.
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If that means(even a little bit) the team skates out to No Chance in Hell then I’m all for it.
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by Bald Pollack on Jan 24, 2012 7:35 AM EST up reply actions
Hmmm…I am trying to be intellectually and philosophically consistent here.
Yesterday, I felt strongly that Tim Thomas should have gone to the White House.
Today, I feel strongly that Ovi should NOT go to the All-Star game.
I think I can get away with this because with TT, winning the Stanley Cup – and being celebrated for doing so by the President of the U.S. – is about the whole team. Not individuals. He stole the show with his no-show. On the other hand, the All Star game is all about Individuals. If the League feels the need to suspend Ovi from three games, it is reprimanding his individual play. Wouldn’t it then be awkward for him to then be celebrated? He is the most exciting player in hockey when his game is on. They have now pulled the plug on his game.
Does your opinion change if Ovi got just one game (or had already served three), or is it solely the fact that he would be there while currently suspended?
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Currently suspended. I do think the hit warranted suspension if they are indeed trying to get head shots out of hockey, but Vogel’s comments about fighting make the leage’s position very questionable, not to mention inconsistent. If they wanted him in the All Star game, it should have been one game.
I think getting the discipline right is more important than the ASG and I agree that having him at the ASG while suspeneded sends mixed messages. The League should’ve taken the decision out of his hands and not let him play in the ASG, but then they’d have looked like the bad guys, so that wasn’t going to happen.
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Ovi already said he isn’t participating in the skills challenge, so what’s the point in playing in the “game” for him?. Let one of the cry babies who didn’t get in have his spot
by Obi wan Knuble on Jan 24, 2012 7:50 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
He should go, play, and deliver monster clean hits all game.
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I am of the opinion that a suspended player should not play in All Stars during the period of suspension. Of course, many writers, like McNally, feel that Ovi should suck it up and go to All Stars anyway since it’s his duty as “face of the NHL”. I say, it’s too much of an awkward situation for him to be at All Stars under the present circumstances.
Someone else can play the “Face of the NHL” role, for now. Given that Ovi was rather an “iffy” choice for All Star selection anyway. (No, he’s not the person who “stole” James Neal’s slot — it’s the folks selecting the team.)
But it would really be funny if Ovi declines All Stars and James Neal is NOT selected as a replacement.
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My suggestion: Just like Montreal and Calgary were able to time the Bourque trade so he didn’t have to sit out the entire 5 games of his suspension, the NHL allows Ovi to declare the ASG as one of his “games.” That way, the NHL doesn’t have to deal with the awkwardness of having a suspended player getting all the media attention at the ASG, Ovi gets his vacation, the Caps get him back a game earlier for an important game against the Panthers, who can then sell more tickets to their game.
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Is that true? Did Borque not really completely serve his 5 gamer?
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by _Skullduggery_ on Jan 24, 2012 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
Technically he did but the trade happened in a way that he served a game suspension as a Flame and another as a Canadien on the same night. Two game suspensions served in one night.
That’s not my understanding of what happened. He served 1 game of the suspension that night as a member of the Flames. He didn’t get any credit for the MTL game that night. The issue is given the timing of the trade whether it was acceptable he was allowed to be on the roster and scratched to serve his suspension that night. Obviously the NHL viewed it as ok since I assume the paperwork timing meant he was technically a member of the Flames when the official roster was submitted before the game started.
by sk84fun_dc on Jan 24, 2012 2:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think he should play in the ASG, but with suspenders on outside his jersey.
Hey, atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Jan 24, 2012 8:46 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
This will all be worth it to me if somehow James Neal STILL can’t make it on the All-Star team, even sans Toews and possibly Ovechkin.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 24, 2012 7:43 AM EST reply actions
I just read about Tim Thomas WH snub. Wow , I’m in the camp that thinks this is a free country and TT is entitle to do and express whatever he like… yada yada However, as it’s the case with anyone using his freedom of speech, the rest of us are also entitle to opinion and evaluate whatever TT is expressing. And let me tell you, My opinion on TT as a person has suffered greatly.
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by BetterOffWith28 on Jan 24, 2012 7:55 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Thomas made it all about him and not his team. Would his supposed message have been any weaker if he’d attended and later posted what he posted on his Facebook page, but added a sentence to the tune of “But I went today with my teammates to honor and celebrate our accomplishment and our sport and because I believe in what this country and that office can and should be”? I know I’d have a lot more respect for him today.
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by J.P. on Jan 24, 2012 7:59 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
I concur with you, as do several of my friends, who I was discussing the Thomas situation with via E-mail. Thomas needed to show better
respect for the office of the Presidency.
Rocking the Red for teams on the banks of the Potomac and at the Gateway Arch and Singing the Blues about Hockey.
Why? Thomas’s issue is with the office of the Presidency, the Congress, and the Judiciary. His point was he doesn’t feel the need to respect it. Kudos to him.
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by _Skullduggery_ on Jan 24, 2012 10:28 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Yeah but he put himself before the team. No one is that important. Makes him look really bad, and he lost more fans than he gained from that little stunt.
I don’t really see the issue with putting yourself before the team for something as trivial as this.
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by _Skullduggery_ on Jan 24, 2012 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
A traditional, celebratory visit to one of the seats of power in the whole world is not trivial. I don’t care who the President is.
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It’s trivial in the sense that it has no bearing on their place in the standings.
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by _Skullduggery_ on Jan 24, 2012 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
So if he skipped the team’s banner-raising ceremony because the arena was partially funded with public money… cool?
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It would be cool in the sense that he was being consistent.
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by _Skullduggery_ on Jan 24, 2012 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed there… consistently putting a half-assed political protest and attention on himself above his team.
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I agree with 90% of TT’s statement. The part I don’t agree with is his absurd notion that what he was doing was “not about politics”.
But what I find equally absurd is this idea that everyone is expected to respect the office of the Presidency. I wholeheartedly disagree. I won’t expand on that any further for obvious reasons (rules).
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by _Skullduggery_ on Jan 24, 2012 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, let’s leave it there or take it elsewhere. Thanks.
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Being recognized as a team for your accomplishments by the President is trivial?
One game is trivial in an 82 game season, but if someone acted like a prima donna or with disrespect for the team before or during it – remember benchgate? – it would be talked about.
A possibly once in a lifetime experience at the White House – that’s huge.
by Gin and Tonic on Jan 24, 2012 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
BS. He doesn’t have a problem with the office of the Presidency, the Congress, and the Judiciary (he can’t if he actually supports the Constitution) – he has a problem with the current occupants.
Sorry, he put himself above his team and that’s not cool.
by Gin and Tonic on Jan 24, 2012 10:42 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
If his issue is the rate at which they have grown, why not?
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by _Skullduggery_ on Jan 24, 2012 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, that argument by him was typical Tea Party rhetoric. (Which is crap. They just don’t like Obama.)
At least when the Steelers’ James Harrison declined opportunities to visit the White House with his team (twice — in 2006 when George W. Bush was president and in 2009 when Barack Obama was president; bipartisan is Mr. Harrison), he did not do it to make a political statement but as a product of these things being generic grip-and-gin sessions with the generic champion. His view was, if you wanted the Steelers to visit, then invite them when they’re not Super Bowl champs.
As for Tim Thomas, I’m more confused about his selection of method to make a political statement. Why isn’t he campaigning for a candidate for legislative or national office who reflects his political philosophy? Why isn’t he using his celebrity to try to inspire politcal change in a more tangible way? Not visiting the White House? That’s his choice of method? It’s protest from a distance at the expense of his teammates, who deserved the limelight denied in part by this stunt.
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by ThePeerless on Jan 24, 2012 8:07 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
With all due respect to Mr. Harrison, that rationale is idiotic.
Agreed on the rest. It’s a half-assed protest.
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by J.P. on Jan 24, 2012 8:20 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Whatever it is, I’m proud that he’s able to do it in this country without getting his head cut off.
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by nogoodtrying on Jan 24, 2012 8:23 AM EST up reply actions
Also, THIS is completely idiotic...
https://twitter.com/#!/tsndavehodge/status/161585318166925312
"He leaves every ounce of energy that he has on the ice and works very hard at it, and he wants to be the best and he wants to win, If you don’t follow that, you’ve got something wrong with you."
by nogoodtrying on Jan 24, 2012 8:23 AM EST up reply actions
Within the context of Hodge’s tweets in general I think he was trying to make a joke and came up short.
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by Bald Pollack on Jan 24, 2012 8:25 AM EST up reply actions
Funnnny.
"He leaves every ounce of energy that he has on the ice and works very hard at it, and he wants to be the best and he wants to win, If you don’t follow that, you’ve got something wrong with you."
by nogoodtrying on Jan 24, 2012 8:40 AM EST up reply actions
You wanted an opinion, you got it, no need to get a case of the ass over it.
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by Bald Pollack on Jan 24, 2012 8:43 AM EST up reply actions
Whoa. I meant him. See, this is why I hate politics. Yuck.
"He leaves every ounce of energy that he has on the ice and works very hard at it, and he wants to be the best and he wants to win, If you don’t follow that, you’ve got something wrong with you."
by nogoodtrying on Jan 24, 2012 8:44 AM EST up reply actions
On the flip side, the fact that more attention is being shown to this and not on the suspension (here at least, before 9 am) is why this place rules and others suck.
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by Bald Pollack on Jan 24, 2012 8:46 AM EST up reply actions
He reached so hard on that one he should change his name to Stephane Richer.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 24, 2012 8:32 AM EST up reply actions
That was pretty much my very first reaction. As I tweeted at the time, “The most favorable thing I can say about Tim Thomas right now is that it’s nice to live somewhere that he can disrespect the Prez like that.”
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Anyone else follow Fedor from RMNB? I thought it was pretty interesting to follow the conversation from people who weren’t living in Canada or the US. I didn’t agree with his assumptions but it was interesting to see how some of the hockey fans online thought the same.
by jopierce on Jan 24, 2012 8:39 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I saw on Backhand Shelf that Slava went off the rails…
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Call me on my laziness, will you?! Well here you go.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 24, 2012 8:43 AM EST up reply actions
Is he a naturalized US citizen? Because if not, it seems like a disproportionate reaction.
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by CapitalCentre on Jan 24, 2012 9:18 AM EST up reply actions
That’s a ridiculous reaction, on so many levels.
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by Rob Parker on Jan 24, 2012 9:30 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Couldn’t agree more.
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by Sombrero Guy on Jan 24, 2012 9:38 AM EST up reply actions
On Twitter? Yeah saw snippets of that.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 24, 2012 8:42 AM EST up reply actions
I read that too. He makes so many ridiculous assumptions about people in general, like how Tim Thomas declined to go to the White House – he must be racist. 90% of US-born NBA players are Democrats because they’re black (because being born outside the US disqualifies you?) but they’re willing to put politics aside to meet George Bush. Who’s injecting race into it now?
by jopierce on Jan 24, 2012 8:47 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
If you win the postseason MVP for performing at a near super-human level and you skip meeting an African American president, you are guilty of racism until proven innocent
/Steigerwald
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by Gould Old Days on Jan 24, 2012 8:51 AM EST up reply actions
Historically, white guys with lots of money have been racist. In fact, many white guys of privilege owned slaves. So it’s only fair to wonder whether Tim Thomas is in that group.
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by Rob Parker on Jan 24, 2012 9:10 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Yeah! And, hey… there’s only one letter between SAVES and SLAVES … And we know what saves mean to goalies. So…
by kingbonehead on Jan 24, 2012 9:18 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
And Boston has a dodgy history of race relations. It’s up to Tim Thomas to prove he’s not racist.
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by Killer_Carlson on Jan 24, 2012 12:30 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Ask him why his pads are all white, and sit in front of his black sweater. Rosa Parks is spinning in her grave.
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He’s based his entire career on stopping something black from going to its home!
Release the Mackan!
by Killer_Carlson on Jan 24, 2012 12:38 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
his life is a bizarro “driving miss daisy”!
by Natty Bumppo on Jan 24, 2012 1:04 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Oh, amen on Harrison. I get the feeing he just didn’t want to have to get up early to go to a White House event. But there are those who are going to ask if this sort of thing happened in other administrations. Yes, but not for the same reasons.
If you've read this far...seek help.
How crazy exactly, on a scale of 1 to He’s-a-goalie?
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by Bman21212 on Jan 24, 2012 9:28 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He’s the only person that would consider quitting a job that paid him 3 million because he lost 100K in fines.
Please, call me F&B.
by Rob Parker on Jan 24, 2012 9:30 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
on a scale of 1 to He’s-a-goalie
I do think this is an underreported aspect of the story. Some additional leeway must be given to fools, children, left-handed relievers, and goalies
Hey, atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Jan 24, 2012 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
So when Neuvirth gets pulled, how much leeway does TVo get as a left-handed relief goalie?
by Twenty Seven Ninety on Jan 24, 2012 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
For his play? None.
For shit he says? Humangous big amount.
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by Bman21212 on Jan 24, 2012 12:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He also apparently never publicized his boycott nearly as much as Thomas, seeing as how this is the first I have heard of it.
Release the Mackan!
by Killer_Carlson on Jan 24, 2012 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
Absolutely, thats the way he should’ve handle this. Although , I don’t think that by attending his childish nonsensical written public statement would’ve make him look better :P
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by BetterOffWith28 on Jan 24, 2012 8:15 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Some folks feel the need to go all Thomas Paine from time to time, complete with the CAPITALIZATION thing.
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I wish he wrote it in Comic Sans.
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by boutros23 on Jan 24, 2012 8:23 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This is AmericA: A Land where We have the Freedom to Capitalize however We wish.
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by Laich It Or Lump It on Jan 24, 2012 8:31 AM EST up reply actions
This is the direction this conversation cannot go. Do not make substantive comments about what his statement was. It was not “childish” or “nonsensical.” It was thought out and rational. You may not like the way TT handled the whole situation, but his statement was a coherent political thought that 80% of the population couldn’t put together.
Please, call me F&B.
by Rob Parker on Jan 24, 2012 9:12 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Agreed. One could fairly term his actions “childish” or even “nonsensical,” but I can’t see his statement as either.
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What’s rational about
“I believe the Federal government has grown out of control, threatening the Rights, Liberties, and Property of the People”
therefore
“[T]oday I exercised my right as a Free Citizen, and did not visit the White House.”
It’s a complete non-sequitur. The conclusion doesn’t follow from the premises. Totally think it’s fair to call it “nonsensical”, perhaps not childish though.
by coreymull on Jan 24, 2012 10:39 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
If by that you mean “opponents’ pre-January shooting percentage against him,” yes.
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Don’t like “the 1%” frame, but strictly speaking, yes. The 1% is made up of households with annual incomes of $516,000 or more; Thomas made $6 million last year. (although athletes are a special case because their careers are shorter than your typical hedge fund manager).
$6M over a lifetime probably lands someone in the 98% range… so the “athlete” argument doesn’t hold a whole lot of water…
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by iwearstripes on Jan 24, 2012 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
Perhaps it could have been more clear, but I think the obvious implication is that because the government has grown out of control (his words), he was protesting by not going to one of the government’s institutions and drawing attention to himself to make the point that the government has grown out of control. Makes sense to me.
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by J.P. on Jan 24, 2012 10:42 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Lots of protests involve non-sequiturs. “The government is oppressive so I will not eat.” “The government is oppressive so I will light myself on fire.” “The Canucks lost game 7 so I will burn my own city.”
The crux of his statement was rational, regardless of whether you agree with it.
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by Rob Parker on Jan 24, 2012 11:23 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
What about the part where he says it’s not about politics, and then describes being displeased at something that is exactly politics? That’s not what I’d call rational. He’s a moron. And not a “he’s a jerk that skipped the White House visit and put himself above the team” moron. He’s an “I don’t know what words mean, but still like to talk about them” moron.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Jan 24, 2012 11:35 AM EST up reply actions 6 recs
So what you’re saying is he’s got a future in politics?
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by J.P. on Jan 24, 2012 11:38 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
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by Carl Putnam on Jan 24, 2012 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
Not a fan. Not a fan of Steve Largent or Jack Kemp or whomever. I liked Bill Bradley (though the one time I met him, he was the most humorless man on the planet).
Oh Jim Bunning was a colossal asshole.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 24, 2012 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
But he didn’t. All the Caps have to do to win more games is score more goals than the other team, but they don’t.
As penned, Thomas’ statement is contradictory. And therefore he is a moron and I look down upon his intelligence as well as the fact that he’s a raging, gaping asshole.
Once you take the fisting element out, it's not romantic anymore.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Jan 24, 2012 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
You’re just being biased. That’s not an honest or faithful interpretation of the situation. You can go hang out with Becca in the “I hate the Bruins” pouty face treehouse.
Please, call me F&B.
by Rob Parker on Jan 24, 2012 11:55 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yes I do hate Thomas. But objectively, his statement is still contradictory and he’s still not very good with words. That’s not opinion.
Once you take the fisting element out, it's not romantic anymore.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Jan 24, 2012 11:56 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
No, it’s not. There are a lot of people that use “politics” in the® v. (D) context and not the political philosophy context. I have no idea what TT really meant, and neither do you, but there is a fair and honest reading that isn’t contradictory. When poilticians accuse each other of playing “politics” they aren’t saying “you are involved in the process of governing society and determining laws that delimit behavior.” The word “politics” is not narrow or specific. He may have been unclear, but you are just determined not to allow the interpretation that doesn’t make him sound like a raging asshole. That’s on you.
Please, call me F&B.
by Rob Parker on Jan 24, 2012 11:59 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That’s not raging asshole, that’s moron, get my criticism right. And if wanted it to be a statement about how it’s not about party politics, he should have said that instead.
Once you take the fisting element out, it's not romantic anymore.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Jan 24, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
So you could say he was imprecise with his language instead of jumping to full on “he’s a moron.”
Please, call me F&B.
Where’s the fun in that? And you’re going to tell me you’ve never done similar with say … Scott Gomez or Joe Flacco?
Once you take the fisting element out, it's not romantic anymore.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Jan 24, 2012 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
I openly hate those guys but when Scott Gomez had his little video that was on Backhand Shelf I also said that I thought Gomez came off really well and had a good sense of humor. I didn’t try to force what he did into my pre-existing opinion of him.
Please, call me F&B.
What video?
Also, I didn’t think Thomas was a moron that isn’t good with words prior to this. I thought he was a raging asshole.
And there is more to me thinking he’s a moron over this whole situation, but my point of view has literally been stated in it’s entirety, with the exception of the criticism of his penned comments, by others, so there’s no need to rehash those.
Once you take the fisting element out, it's not romantic anymore.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Jan 24, 2012 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
Gomez Video: http://blogs.thescore.com/nhl/2011/11/14/getting-to-know-scott-gomez/
"You do that, you go to the box, you know. Two minutes, by yourself, you know and you feel shame" -Denis Lemieux
I hate Tim Thomas as well. I’ve said it for a long time. He speared a dude in the face and he’s not going to come back from that in my mind. But the written statement isn’t the reason to hate on TT. How he handled the visit, some of his behavior on ice, sure. But you are intentionally reading an ambiguous statement in a way that makes him sound like a fool, when he (unlike so many) has clearly actually thought about what he believes and attempted to articulate it in a coherent manner.
And the real irony is that if it wasn’t written by TT you’d agree with the statement. You’re just pissed off that TT made you feel like you have something in common with him.
Please, call me F&B.
by Rob Parker on Jan 24, 2012 12:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yes, props to him for thinking about his beliefs and attempting to coherently and accurately articulate them. But he failed to do so with the ambiguity of language.
If it were penned by Joe Smith the PR specialist I wouldn’t agree with it, but I wouldn’t be able to hold it against him. I still think the use of words was incorrect and that it was poorly penned, but I would at least acknowledged that it was from his camp, and not directly from him.
Once you take the fisting element out, it's not romantic anymore.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Jan 24, 2012 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
Scott Gomez is also a jerk for depriving bar patrons of free liquor.
Once you take the fisting element out, it's not romantic anymore.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Jan 24, 2012 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
Fun Scott Gomez fact: he used to have hair on his head.
http://trialx.com/curetalk/wp-content/blogs.dir/7/files/2011/07/sports/Scott_Gomez-1.jpg
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Just don’t bad-mouth Hines Ward.
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by Laich It Or Lump It on Jan 24, 2012 12:11 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Hines Ward and Karl Alzner can do no wrong, so back off.
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by Rob Parker on Jan 24, 2012 12:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Heinze Ward


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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jan 24, 2012 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
No relation.
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by Laich It Or Lump It on Jan 24, 2012 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
Brilliant as always.
I have to hand it to Steve Heinze… putting 57 as his jersey number was brilliant.
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jan 24, 2012 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
I have no idea what TT really meant, and neither do you
The problem that actually provided the impetus for this tangent.
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by CapitalCentre on Jan 24, 2012 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
… because what the blog needed was a personal attack on someone not even involved in the discussion with whom there’s already been an uncomfortable series of exchanges within the last handful of days.
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but not that much sense. His statements follow the basic rhetoric of one of the two major parties. It is both political, and to an extent, partisan.
by kingbonehead on Jan 24, 2012 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
I think he meant it’s not about Republican v. Democrats Party Politics. Not about American electoral politics. It’s related to political science, the general discussion of societal organization in the furtherance of human flourishing, and the fundamental document to this country’s founding, but it’s not about “Obama sucks and a Republican should be in the White House.”
Please, call me F&B.
by Rob Parker on Jan 24, 2012 11:45 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Only with the finest veneer. If he tries to block a puck with that statement, you’d easily be able to see the underlying statement he was trying to make.
Comrades, leave me here a little, while as yet 't is early morn:
Leave me here, and when you want me, sound upon the bugle-horn
Same with my exchange with SME above, you’re just bringing in your own context and baggage.
And I don’t think any goalie should ever try to stop a puck with a Facebook statement.
Please, call me F&B.
Virtual material can’t be very good protection for stopping pucks.
Once you take the fisting element out, it's not romantic anymore.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Jan 24, 2012 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
He’s leveling critique against a Democrat, and participates (donates) to money that winds up with the GOP. Maybe Thomas is misguided and believes otherwise but ignorance isn’t an excuse.
I’m not a Democrat, but, I donate money into a PAC that goes straight to them. I don’t kid myself that Rebuild the Dream is somehow separate from one of the two parties in America.
I may be adding my own context, but that’s only by pulling that context out of a vacuum and examining it for what it is: a clear political statement levied against a particular figurehead of a particular party. He’s either stupid, duplicitous or vapid.
Comrades, leave me here a little, while as yet 't is early morn:
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Or maybe he’s libertarian and hates both parties.
Please, call me F&B.
by Rob Parker on Jan 24, 2012 12:08 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I have a feeling that’s not really the case.
Once you take the fisting element out, it's not romantic anymore.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Jan 24, 2012 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
His statement would certainly indicate that it IS the case…
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by _Skullduggery_ on Jan 24, 2012 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
Love a good internet argument. Can we talk about hockey now?
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by leacha on Jan 24, 2012 12:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
With everything that Thomas has said, from what he himself has said about his political leanings, to his most admired people, I find it highly unlikely that he is a libertarian. But furthering this discussion takes this too much into politics territory, which, on this blog, is verboten.
Once you take the fisting element out, it's not romantic anymore.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Jan 24, 2012 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I’d appreciate it if we could cut it off here.
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Point of order: What’s the rule on this sort of tangentially hockey but 100% political discussion in a format like a fanpost? I feel like there are quite a few posters who would enjoy a gloves off but respectful political discussion, and quite a few others who would love if it didn’t happen here.
"You do that, you go to the box, you know. Two minutes, by yourself, you know and you feel shame" -Denis Lemieux
If it’s hockey-related, fine. But this isn’t a politics blog.
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It was pulled off here over the summer during the bad times (when half the hockey world was dying) and it didn’t get out of hand, but having it be a regular feature is begging for it to get out of hand.
Granted this is coming from someone who loves playing devil’s advocate for the sake of arguing but it’d be best if it is left off the blog, in my humble ol’ opinion.
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Rec’d. That’s exactly how I feel about it. There is a way to express your point without being a dick.
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Neely Statement
“As an organization we were honored by President Obama’s invitation to the White House. It was a great day and a perfect way to cap our team’s achievement from last season. It was a day that none of us will soon forget. We are disappointed that Tim chose not to join us, and his views certainly do not reflect those of the Jacobs family or the Bruins organization. This will be the last public comment from the Bruins organization on this subject.”
I have to agree. The President of the United States invites you, you show up. To do otherwise is disrespectful, no matter what your view on his politics.
I agree to some degree. The USA presidency is not supposed to have any aristocratic hoopla were a snub would be seen as disrespectful.
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by BetterOffWith28 on Jan 24, 2012 8:42 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
What’s aristocratic about it? It’s an office that people get elected to hold. Also, it wasn’t just the president that was disrespected by TT’s move.
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agreed, he disrespected his whole team by saying “my personal views and opinions are more important then a team event”
RAMPAGE
by JediChewbacca on Jan 24, 2012 8:46 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He also brought negative attention upon the sport – I’m sure his actions got coverage outside of hockey circles.
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Right. While, like I said, I respect his right to do it and am proud to be in a country where he can, I hate that he brought politics into my hockey. Living in DC, I want as little politics in the things I enjoy as possible. Thanks for that, Tim Thomas.
"He leaves every ounce of energy that he has on the ice and works very hard at it, and he wants to be the best and he wants to win, If you don’t follow that, you’ve got something wrong with you."
by nogoodtrying on Jan 24, 2012 8:52 AM EST up reply actions
That’s a point I hadn’t thought about, actually. As my mom once said, National political news in D.C. is also our local news, so we marinate in politics a lot more than, I think, people in another part of the country.
Goodness knows I turn to hockey to get away from that sort of thing.
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And he violated our terms of conduct by mixing hockey and politics. And now, as a result, we have to! You’ve got me all thinking about Glenn Beck now. Yecccchhhhhh.
(note: Gouldie’s criticism of any one individual in the 24-hour pan-political/media scrum does not represent any kind of endorsement of any of the other morons who wear different jerseys)
At least Palin had the good sense to drop the puck in Philly four years ago. They’ll boo anyone, so it wasn’t much of a story that they booed her.
Hey, atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Jan 24, 2012 8:55 AM EST up reply actions
i disagree
Unless you are a member of the executive branch and/or military, a presidential invitation can be politely declined. If you disagree with a sitting president you absolutely have the right, and the privilege, to say no thanks.
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by can't skate on Jan 24, 2012 10:03 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
No one’s questioning his right to make the decision he made.
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I also have the right to refuse an invitation to a friends house for a group party, and then complain about said friend and her house on Facebook. Still makes it a crappy move on my part.
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by WordsOnIce on Jan 24, 2012 10:04 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I do think the message would have been weaker if he attended and posted his message later. The reason anyone read the message (or as many people as did read it) was because he snubbed the WH. If he had gone and then said he was releasing a statement I don’t think nearly as many of people would have cared to read it. I still agree that he went about it wrong and made it about himself.
Please, call me F&B.
by Rob Parker on Jan 24, 2012 9:08 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That’s fair. But I think it still would’ve received attention as “Why the eff is some hockey player shooting his mouth off about politics?” which isn’t far from why it received the attention it did.
Also, Ovi should ditch the All-Star Game and post something on Facebook about how he’s skipping it in protest of how over-bearing the Federal Government has become.
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by J.P. on Jan 24, 2012 9:10 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
In between using The Cream and The Clear, of course.
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by Bald Pollack on Jan 24, 2012 9:12 AM EST up reply actions
In Soviet Russia, federal government over-bears YOU!

Unleash the Apathy.
by D'ohboy on Jan 24, 2012 2:07 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Given the platform he supports, I think his argument is made weaker since there is a player’s union that fights for his ability to receive as much “property” as possible.
by Gin and Tonic on Jan 24, 2012 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t think that one’s views on the respective roles of government and private industry need to be mirror-images, do they?
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by J.P. on Jan 24, 2012 11:04 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
An irony in this is that Thomas hails from Flint, Michigan. Flint was rated in one index in 2006 as the tenth most liberal city in the US, just behind…
…wait for it…
…San Francisco.
If you've read this far...seek help.
If it weren’t for his refusal to go to the White House, I don’t know that I ever would have known his deep admiration of Glen Beck. Truthfully, I kinda wish I still didn’t know that.
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The thing is, I don’t care about the man’s politics. I would never have thought to do any research to find out, any more than I would to see if Barack Obama played high school basketball in Kenya while studying socialist colonialism. He’s a hockey player. He was invited — as a hockey player — to celebrate his and his teammates’ achievements — as hockey players. He can have a shrine to Glenn Beck in his locker for all I care. I like watching him tend goal, and his story of being a late bloomer with an unconventional style who perservered is a compelling one — as a hockey player.
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Yeah, I understand that. And I agree. I just find my opinion of him now tainted by his behavior yesterday.
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Peerless tweeted this article in the Globe this morning. I may agree with this 100%
"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."
I thought Dupont’s article was interesting, But if anyone gets the Bruin feed on Center Ice, see if Jack Edwards is wearing a three-cornered hat and quoting the Founders tonight.
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Isn’t that pretty much a regular occurrence when the B’s play a Canadian team?
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jan 24, 2012 9:32 AM EST up reply actions
I thought both the KPD piece by KPD and this piece by Haggerty were interesting reads. Just my opinion.
And i wonder how is hometown feels about the governments largesse. The tea party was particularly vocal in their opposition to the auto bail-out. Flint would be an even larger world of hurt if they had their way.
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I’d like the tea party to be about taxation without representation, much like the original one.
Somehow I don’t see this happening. Maybe TT will help the cause.
"One of the most difficult things everyone has to learn is that for your entire life you must keep fighting and adjusting if you hope to survive." -George Allen
What do I care if some dopey performer wants to pass up a probable once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to see parts of the White House us mere mortals cannot? His loss. At least Obama would probably have pronounced his name correctly. Don Quixote laughs at him.
by Acer Jonesy's Laughker on Jan 24, 2012 8:24 AM EST reply actions
Even George “Nucular” Bush could say Tim Thomas correctly
RAMPAGE
by JediChewbacca on Jan 24, 2012 8:25 AM EST up reply actions
“And congrats to Tim Thomas, the outstanding goalie and maker of delicious square hamburgers.”
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by J.P. on Jan 24, 2012 8:28 AM EST up reply actions 7 recs
I always think of Clinton welcoming the Red Wings “and their captain, Steve Yazeerman”
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 24, 2012 8:33 AM EST up reply actions
OOps-f’d that up. was responding to chewie.
by Acer Jonesy's Laughker on Jan 24, 2012 8:29 AM EST up reply actions
And in hockey news…is that list of goalies ahead of Vokoun serious?
Sergei Bobrovsky?
Cory Schneider?
Jose Theodore?
Josh Harding?
I’m sorry, it you are a backup, you are not a top-30 goalie, if only by virtue of the fact that you are not the night-in, night-out go to guy. You have a crutch, the guy in front of you.
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by ThePeerless on Jan 24, 2012 8:34 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
In fairness to Theo, he’s having a pretty good season, with stats just slightly above Vokoun’s.
"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."
How does Vokoun drop 16 places, the most among goaltenders ranked?
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THIS is Tim Thomas
Considering he gave up five goals in his last game and Rask has been playing better of late, I’m thinking Rask is going to get the start anyway.
If Thomas plays, will VC boo him?
RAMPAGE
by JediChewbacca on Jan 24, 2012 8:46 AM EST up reply actions
God I hope not. That would be so classless.
"He leaves every ounce of energy that he has on the ice and works very hard at it, and he wants to be the best and he wants to win, If you don’t follow that, you’ve got something wrong with you."
by nogoodtrying on Jan 24, 2012 8:47 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, but this is D.C.
If nothing else, the Prez is a local (as much as many D.C. transplants are local) and TT isn’t. That’d be enough to set some drunk people off.
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The drunks don’t need any encouragement. It was in his right to decline the invitation, as it is in the right for certain fans to boo him. But if I was going to the game and fans started chanting “Yes, we can!” I’d be pretty annoyed that the hockey game I paid a lot of money for had become a politics-driven event. Fans here and on twitter talk about hockey without injecting political beliefs. I don’t make assumptions about how other people lean and I hope others wouldn’t make the same about me. Shouting or declining to shout “Yes, we can!” at a hockey game just seems to bring out a divide I don’t think is helpful.
by jopierce on Jan 24, 2012 8:57 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Actually – I think if we put 3 or more on TT in a winning effort – chanting “Yes We Can” in the waning moments of the game would be pretty damn funny.
by Gin and Tonic on Jan 24, 2012 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
and being a local, the President is a HUGE Caps fan and hockey enthusiast…oh wait…
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He’s from Chicago. I think he’s a Blackhawks fan. But that doesn’t change anything really.
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There haven’t been many Presidential visits to the VC, but Al Gore used to go to the game once in awhile when he was VP. Also Walter Mondale was a regular at the Capital Centre for Caps games (being from Minnesota…)
And Nancy Reagan did put in an appearance at a “Just say no” event when she was first lady, and she shot a ceremonial puck past Pete Peeters, and the crowd booed.
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jan 24, 2012 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, but he was advance scouting… he’s a Flyers fan.
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jan 24, 2012 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
I know goaltending was lousy in the 80s, but talk about adding unexpected veracity to the statement “You couldn’t stop the puck if my grandmother shot it.”…
by Twenty Seven Ninety on Jan 24, 2012 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
Wrong choice of word. Baseless is more what I was looking for. Why should any collective of hockey team fans boo someone because of their politics? Boo him because of his hockey, now that I can get behind. Either way, I’ve kind of changed my position on the booing since saying that. If it gets in his head, who cares, do it.
"He leaves every ounce of energy that he has on the ice and works very hard at it, and he wants to be the best and he wants to win, If you don’t follow that, you’ve got something wrong with you."
by nogoodtrying on Jan 24, 2012 8:57 AM EST up reply actions
So it’s cool to express an opinion about politics by no-showing at the White House, but not cool to express an opinion about that action? Does not compute…
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Would that really be expressing an opinion about his no-show? Booing would probably serve that purpose more. “Yes We Can” is much more of an endorsement of one particular person or view point, no?
"He leaves every ounce of energy that he has on the ice and works very hard at it, and he wants to be the best and he wants to win, If you don’t follow that, you’ve got something wrong with you."
by nogoodtrying on Jan 24, 2012 9:01 AM EST up reply actions
You said booing was classless.
My bottom line is still expressing an opinion is expressing an opinion… nothing wrong with that.
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Right, which is kinda why I changed my mind after posting. So, agree to disagree?

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by nogoodtrying on Jan 24, 2012 9:08 AM EST up reply actions
I can’t agree to disagree. Either freedom of expression is cool or it isn’t. Can’t give one guy a free pass for making a political statement and ding someone else for doing similarly.
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I dinged them both, did I not? I believe my statement was that I’m proud he can do it even if I don’t agree with his statement, etc. I am also now arguing that I wouldn’t LIKE if the fans booed or said “Yes We Can”, not that they SHOULDN’T do it. I’d be just as proud of the fans for doing what they necessarily wouldn’t be able to do in another country as I am of Thomas. I would also strong dislike what they are doing. I see no inconsistency in what I said.
"He leaves every ounce of energy that he has on the ice and works very hard at it, and he wants to be the best and he wants to win, If you don’t follow that, you’ve got something wrong with you."
by nogoodtrying on Jan 24, 2012 9:16 AM EST up reply actions
Word. People can do what they want, but it doesn’t make ’em less dopey for exercising that right.
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I’m also glad that we can have this conversation right now. Seriously. Thanks.
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by nogoodtrying on Jan 24, 2012 9:19 AM EST up reply actions
Not sure y everyone’s so mad at TT, Obama has been snubbing the caps since he entered office, and Michele O does commercials on NHL network,makes no sense
by Obi wan Knuble on Jan 24, 2012 10:02 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Either freedom of expression is cool or it isn’t.
Eh, most classless acts are acts of expression. Doesn’t make them any less classless. Or any less protected by law.
I’ve got no problem with someone who legitimately thinks that Thomas’s snub was a legit act, but booing him would be classless. From a certain perspective, Thomas had a choice of two bads (shake hands with someone he doesn’t respect or snub) and he chose the lesser evil. The fan can choose to be polite or to boo (classless in that view). This isn’t my view, but I don’t think it’s inconsistent.
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by Gould Old Days on Jan 24, 2012 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
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by ThePeerless on Jan 24, 2012 12:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
What’s your stance on “whooping”? ;)
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 24, 2012 9:12 AM EST up reply actions
Only allowable on the Arsenio Hall Show. No brainer.
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by nogoodtrying on Jan 24, 2012 9:16 AM EST up reply actions
Only if Larry Murphy, Kevin Hatcher or Phil Housley come out of retirement…
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jan 24, 2012 9:34 AM EST up reply actions
Poor Kevin Hatcher.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 24, 2012 9:39 AM EST up reply actions
Hatcher was a lot of things… poor isn’t one of them.
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jan 24, 2012 9:43 AM EST up reply actions
Well, not poor financially you gooses, but “poor” in the sense that dude got zero love (some of which was his own fault, particularly in the way he left). But dude had Jeff Schultz’s body and Mike Green’s scoring ability. He was a BEAST offensively, and all I remember about him is how much people hated him.
I can only imagine if the blogosphere had been around in the early 90s how much we would have debated the merits of that guy. It may have melted the internet.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 24, 2012 9:53 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Kevin Hatcher was an interesting player. Good offensive instincts, nice skating ability, good physical presence, rarely got hurt. He was a bit of a defensive liability though. Consider his best year (1992-93) when he had 34 goals and 45 assists in 83 games (yes, they played 84 that year….) 79 points as a defenseman is pretty damn spiffy.
Tack on this stat: -7. Yep, with those gaudy offensive numbers, he was also -7. Now to be fair Hatcher did get a lot of his points on the power play, but he was on ice for 162 goals that season, nearly 2 per game! And that did lead the league. That season, a Caps defenseman did make the NHL Second Team All Stars: Al Iafrate, not Hatcher.
The guy could play, but there were some gaping holes in his game.
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jan 24, 2012 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
Didn’t they have him paired with Coco most of the time?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 24, 2012 10:02 AM EST up reply actions
When he started out, he was paired with Langway, and then later on he usually got Cote.
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jan 24, 2012 10:06 AM EST up reply actions
To add to that…he was actually “decent” in his defensive zone in the 80s. In the 90s he became much more offensive-focused, partly out of need (save for 91-92 the Caps were always short on point-producing forwards) and partly out of greed (the money lay in piling up points). That offensive focus affected his play in the d-zone. Although he had the talent, he was never able to become that all-encompassing bad-ass defenseman who could consistently punish you on both ends of the ice. Too bad for us.
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by J.P. on Jan 24, 2012 9:24 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
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by Scott in Shaw on Jan 24, 2012 1:40 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
yes, widely protested at the time by the asian american community on my college campus. eventually removed from the shelves.
by Natty Bumppo on Jan 24, 2012 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
He’s an opponent… booing comes with the territory.
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jan 24, 2012 9:33 AM EST up reply actions
I’ll boo him. I’ll taunt him. I’ll call him any name in the book. He’s the opposition goalie.
His stunt yesterday just provides more justification.
by Gin and Tonic on Jan 24, 2012 11:04 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Caps crowd has previously struck me as pretty left-leaning, so I say yes. And I’d expect it to be during warmup more than the game.
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I forget where I read it yesterday, but someone was suggesting the crowd yell Yes We Can at him.
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State of the Union address is tonight…wonder if Tim got an invite.
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Considering his record against the Caps, I’d rather he be at the State of the Union than on the ice…
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jan 24, 2012 9:35 AM EST up reply actions
I saw that too. Might have been on twitter, but I don’t remember who’s.
"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."
I’m for this, but not because of the political implications. I’m for anything that gets his head out of the game so we can try to maybe score a few goals on him.
"He leaves every ounce of energy that he has on the ice and works very hard at it, and he wants to be the best and he wants to win, If you don’t follow that, you’ve got something wrong with you."
by nogoodtrying on Jan 24, 2012 8:53 AM EST up reply actions
Also, Yes We Can is a positive thing. I can see it really charging up the fans like the We Are Louder thing did.
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But with respect to the Caps, “Yes We Can” is factually inaccurate. Zing!
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by J.P. on Jan 24, 2012 9:16 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Well, if, “We are Louder” worked against the Rangers, maybe, “Yes We Can” can work against the Bruins. I can dream, can’t I?
"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."
How long until “Yes we can!” turns into “Fuck Tim Thomas!:”
I can dream too.
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by Bald Pollack on Jan 24, 2012 9:40 AM EST up reply actions
Always trying to sneak your Sounders hate into the discussion.
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Always relevant my friend. ;)
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by Bald Pollack on Jan 24, 2012 9:56 AM EST up reply actions
Exactly. As individuals, we make the choice to say F—— you Timmy.
I know it’s hoping for too much, but a win tonight would be so sweet. Deliciously so.
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Seems like a good enough time to ask the question I’ve always wondered… When did expressing displeasure with the refs go from “bullshit” to “ref you suck”
2011-2012...here we go again.
by alisterio on Jan 24, 2012 1:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
What a stupid suggestion.
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by Bald Pollack on Jan 24, 2012 8:56 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
And to expand: doing so basically flips what Thomas did yesterday tonight, making it all the more unpalatable.
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by Bald Pollack on Jan 24, 2012 9:01 AM EST up reply actions
Eh, I see it as similar to a New York crowd chanting “Can You Hear Us?” to an opposing coach after said coach made comments on a Washington radio station two days earlier.
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He should be booed regardless of yesterday’s events.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Jan 24, 2012 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
Elliot in the Morning woke TT up bright and early at 7:30 to ask him what he did while he skipped the WH visit. He was none too pleased.
You’re the boss, applesauce.
Y’know… maybe it’s only in Washington could a story about a no-show player from a team in a different city at the White House for political reasons trump the suspension ot the local hockey team’s captain and biggest star.
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So we should be thanking him then?
"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."
The Redskins, for not doing anything like appointing a second string safeties coach, which would have bumped hockey off the sports page altogether.
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jan 24, 2012 9:36 AM EST up reply actions
Then again maybe the Wizards might make some kind of announcement that…
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jan 24, 2012 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
Hockey n' Heels
I’ve never gone, because it’s usually at night during the week, which is pretty difficult for me to make given work schedules and travel time. But I’m thinking maybe I should plan to go next time, if I can get a spot, and just take some vacation time off the next day so I don’t have to stress about getting home and sleeping.
Also, I’m glad people point out how high quality the questions from the ladies are, but it sort of bothers me that there’s a tone of surprise about it.
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There are pros and cons. I’ve got some cons in the OT thread. But for the most part, it was great. I went because of the facilities tour, not the ice stuff. And Alan May was his usual wonderful self. If only we could get an entire evening with him.
"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."
I agree, Alan May was great, I would have liked more time with him. It was too bad Jim Johnson was unavailable. I thought at the last Hockey and Heels the video session with Boudreau was probably the best part. The behind the scenes tour of Verizon Center was great and worth it to go to a Scarlet Caps event even if you are kind of meh on the whole concept of Scarlet Caps (as I am, but can’t turn down the behind the scenes access). Also, you don’t have to be a member to go, you just need someone to share the invite link to order tickets.
by vtcapsfan99 on Jan 24, 2012 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
Channeling my inner Spidey.
OK, I was livid about the over-suspension (2 games max) and the under-disciplining (not even a fine, Shanny?). Fuck Michalek and the Pens—if there was ever a doubt about preferential treatment from the league, it’s long gone now. Screw it. So, I’m choosing to take a page out of Spidey’s book and cherrypicking focusing on the positives of this charade. Hear me out.
1) Tonight’s tilt just got a little tougher….for Boston. I have had my doubts that the Caps could win this game without Nick, and AO’s absence doesn’t make it any easier for the Caps. The smart money is on the Bruins—better centers, better D, better goaltending, right? But, as we all saw earlier in the season, vs. the Leafs and Buffalo, cases where two teams are fielding something closer to AAA lineups coming out and playing some strong hockey. Guys now get a chance to step up, play a line up from where they should be playing, and churn out some extra effort. Of course, it’d be foolish to predict a victory for tonight—the Bruins didn’t get to the top of the conference on boyish charm—but I foresee a very disciplined, grindy, low-scoring game from the Caps that, even resulting in a loss, could be one to build on.
2) AO could use the time away to get his head straight for the push, recharge and rest whatever is ailing him. Full disclosure: I was praying that AO would not get an ASG bid, and I’m not displeased about the timing of his suspension now. The 6 points are huge, to be sure, and missing AO will suck on the effort to get some of those points, but if there’s a long break to be had for him to get physically well, it’s right now.
3) Alex Semin gets to be ‘the guy.’ Will he step up? Who the fuck knows? But you can be sure GMGM will be watching how 28 handles the additional attention. He might wilt, but personally, I feel Semin is going to answer the bell and we’ll get to see some inspired play, which usually means good things for the Caps (even if it’s only transitional).
4) This is a good test for DH32. His defense-first system, not so sexy even with Ovechkin, is going to bore the shit out of people now. I’m not going to sob about Corsi, or Fenwick Timelines, for the next two weeks. But to survive, this team is going to have to hunker down and play even better D, and if the Caps can emerge with a win or two, and do it Dale’s Way without AO, that will help steel them for the rest of the fight for the playoffs.
A little (more) adversity for this club doesn’t have to be a bad thing. In fact, it may have come in the nick of time.
Cross check and all call.
by bigonetimer on Jan 24, 2012 8:57 AM EST reply actions 15 recs
There’s definitely opportunity here.
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This could really be a turning point for the season. I don’t like being so dramatic, but the potential is there. If the team puts together a solid effort – without Ovi, Green, and Backstrom – against a top team, it could give them the boost of confidence that they have been lacking.
by Gin and Tonic on Jan 24, 2012 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
Good angle—it’s a gut check in particular for a bunch of guys wearing numbers in the 20’s.
Cross check and all call.
by bigonetimer on Jan 24, 2012 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
That’s more than one third of the team.
by Twenty Seven Ninety on Jan 24, 2012 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
Good points. I hope this period doesn’t make this team more fragile. They used to respond to adversity. Maybe they’ll get that “us versus them” productivity back.
What I don’t fully agree with is #2. Overall, Ovie has been producing points at a better clip, so I wouldn’t say that something is ailing him. This suspension disrupts his chances of returing to form. We’ve seen how previous suspensions changed his game. He looking like he was finally putting all that behind him. I don’t want to return to those days.
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Ovi’s return to form post-suspension is something to watch for sure. The beating he’s going to take in the media over the next few days isn’t going to help matters, either.
Cross check and all call.
by bigonetimer on Jan 24, 2012 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
I am honored that your channeling of me resulted in a rec’d post. Much obliged.
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by bigonetimer on Jan 24, 2012 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
Agree with every single thing you’ve said. Well done.
The definition of being a Caps fan is watching the same team over and over and expecting different results.
What happens if they get shelled, 5-0? That’s what I’m worried about.
by DonnieKnutts on Jan 24, 2012 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
It’s pretty crazy to me that if you take out Marc Savard’s concussion, the Bruins have only lost 21 man-games due to injury. You would think that’s likely to change at some point, no? Because that seems like a really low number.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 24, 2012 9:03 AM EST reply actions
And, for what it’s worth, they only lost 92 M/G to injuries LAST season, good enough for second to Carolina (56!) for fewest in the lig.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 24, 2012 9:07 AM EST up reply actions
Holy shit. Looks like I picked a bad day to not visit the Rink.
Suspension, non-suspension, fatuous political statements from pampered celebrities (Alec Baldwin has your back, though, Tim)…not your average Monday in January.
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It wasn’t a political statement. He clearly stated after making a political statement that it wasn’t a political statement.
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by sydtron on Jan 24, 2012 9:41 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I think this got thoroughly covered above, but it was obviously a statement concerning the governance of the Republic, which is political in one sense. In the sense that it was not an endorsement of the opposition party, it was not.
Anyhow, celebrities set my teeth on edge when they unbosom themselves of their political ruminations.
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jan 24, 2012 9:46 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I’m bringing a sign to warmups tonight that says “Tim Thomas, You are Unamerican.”
With the AHL Caps set to get trounced tonight, at least that’ll make me feel a little better.
I think that’s a bad idea. He’s not unamerican. He exercised his constitutional rights. Just because he did it in a dickish fashion doesn’t make him Unamerican. And frankly, that sort of thing, calling people unamerican, is what helps people in an Us/Them dichotomy which has gotten us, as a country, in a lot of trouble.
Make your sign about hockey, not politics. Don’t do what he did.
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by WordsOnIce on Jan 24, 2012 9:24 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
And doing it in a dickish fashion might be the most American thing about it.
Please, call me F&B.
by Rob Parker on Jan 24, 2012 9:26 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I agree he has a right to do what he did, but the curious thing to me is he did not articulate any ‘right’ or ‘liberty’ this country has deprived him of. If, therefore, he cannot specify one (and I personally do not think he can because it is just the typical right wing propaganda machine drivel), then I think it could be argued that he is ‘UnAmerican’ by making a scurrilous charge against his country that he know is not true.
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by J.P. on Jan 24, 2012 9:40 AM EST reply actions 10 recs
Brilliant!
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jan 24, 2012 9:43 AM EST up reply actions
Maybe not, but the metal panels on the Richard trophy look pretty damn sharp….
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jan 24, 2012 9:52 AM EST up reply actions
forgive me
busting out of prison Ovi?
I just found this link.
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Those bars look suspiciously like an oven rack…
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Nice rack, Laichitor.
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by J.P. on Jan 24, 2012 9:57 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
It’s real and it’s spec-tac-u-lar.
Unleash the Apathy.
by D'ohboy on Jan 24, 2012 2:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
rec’d for the Seinfeld reference (or will be when I’m on my ’puter)
You had me at Ovechkin.
by norcalcapsfan on Jan 24, 2012 5:21 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I hope Shanahan comes out with a video on Z’s hit explaining why it was legal. My guess and its only a guess is the claim will be that Hendricks was falling and therefore Z was aiming for his back, but got his head instead. Doesn’t jibe with what I saw, but its the best I can come up with.
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Don’t you understand, he didn’t get the call because Matt Hendricks sucks.
And I’m not even trolling TPB. That post was hilarious.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 24, 2012 9:57 AM EST up reply actions
/should be “didn’t get the suspension”
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 24, 2012 9:58 AM EST up reply actions
Fact of the matter is that that’s the fact of the matter. If it was a higher-profile victim, there’d have been more public outcry and Shanny wouldn’t have let Michalek slide. No question.
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I’m assuming the fact that Michalek has already missed 20 this year with a concussion probably had something to do with it too.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 24, 2012 10:01 AM EST up reply actions
Maybe they read that article about how the Giants were targeting the SF punt returner with a history of concussions?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 24, 2012 10:09 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t buy it. He took grief on higher profile stuff already.
The lack of a video explanation allows for conjecture.
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by Carl Putnam on Jan 24, 2012 10:06 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed on that second point.
But there’s no way that reactions by guys like Pierre McGuire and Bob McKenzie didn’t force Shanny’s hand on 8 (not saying he didn’t deserve a suspension, mind you) and that the deafening silence on Michalek allowed him to do whatever he wanted to do, which was nothing.
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Allows him to, yes, but I don’t see a smoking gun, at least not until I hear his side.
As for Ovi, certainly court of media opinion made it an easier decision, but I’m not of the belief that Shanny bases his rulings that way. Again he’s already been ripped plenty by media for rulings/non-rulings. Of course, my thoughts are conjecture as well. I would love the chance to sit down with him and talk about discipline stuff.
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by Carl Putnam on Jan 24, 2012 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
Here’s the smoking gun: Michalek elbowed Hendricks in the head, driving him face-first into the boards and received no supplemental discipline.
I do agree that even without the outrage over the Ovi hit, he was getting some time off. But the court of public opinion convicted and sentenced him before Shanny even spoke to him, because that’s what they do.
Honestly, has there been an on-ice event yet this season that so many, so visibily and vociferously weighed in on?
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by J.P. on Jan 24, 2012 10:18 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I saw just as much chatter about Wisniewski’s hit on Clutterbuck as well as CarBomb’s antics. If anything I was surprised there wasn’t more reaction to Ovi hit because it was a nationally televised game on a day with only 2 other games.
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by Carl Putnam on Jan 24, 2012 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
Fair enough on the coverage – I’m certainly insulated and attuned to it differently. But it’d be hard for me to imagine that the actor here didn’t play a part in the heightened coverage and, conversely, the actors in the Michalek/Hendricks hit (and lack of injury) ended up driving down the coverage.
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Guys like Z and Hendricks don’t excite the media horde like a star like Ovi does. On that we agree.
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by Carl Putnam on Jan 24, 2012 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
This is actually something Alan May mentioned specifically at Hockey n’ Heels last night — media lobbying of the league offices is a travesty and makes the sport look bad. May said he would revoke the press credentials of anyone who publicly second-guesses the league.
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by CapitalCentre on Jan 24, 2012 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
May said he would revoke the press credentials of anyone who publicly second-guesses the league.
Yeah, because that’s what freedom of the press is all about.
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Well, the league isn’t a government. And it may just be the flip side of the fact that (we often suspect) journalists withhold certain facts so that they can maintain access.
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by CapitalCentre on Jan 24, 2012 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
We weren’t even in the same group — no surprise that the question kept coming up, but I’m glad to know his answer was consistent.
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by CapitalCentre on Jan 24, 2012 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
I’d love to see him give that explanation. And then I’d love to see him try to explain why aiming for Hendrick’s back is okay.
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by Killer_Carlson on Jan 24, 2012 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
According to TSN’s Insider Trading segment last night, these are are the Top 8 Forwards that are potentially available:
Jeff Carter (CBJ), Mikhail Grabovski (Tor), Ales Hemsky (Edm), Derek Roy (Buf), James van Reimsdyk (Phi), and Ray Whitney (Phx).
Didn’t Carter’s shoulder fall off? I still want that guy, preferably with a shoulder.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 24, 2012 9:59 AM EST up reply actions
Should have typed 6 instead of 8 #exchangerate
by Rather Bengt on Jan 24, 2012 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
Freudian slip?
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jan 24, 2012 10:04 AM EST up reply actions
Somewhere, Mel Angelstad is smirking…
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jan 24, 2012 10:07 AM EST up reply actions
Whitney’s only going to be available in Yotes fall out of the hunt. He’s driving the team’s offense. They can’t afford to let him go right now.
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by Carl Putnam on Jan 24, 2012 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
That’s fine by me. I would rather have that Finnish guy on the Yotes anyhow ;)
by Rather Bengt on Jan 24, 2012 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
I wouldn’t go that far myself, but I don’t have a special place in my heart for Korpedo like you do.
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by Carl Putnam on Jan 24, 2012 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
Do you see the Yotes selling any of their players off come deadline CP?
by Rather Bengt on Jan 24, 2012 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
Only if they are out of the playoff race and I doubt they will be far enough out in a month for that to be the case unless they get another rash of injuries at key positions. I suspect GMDM will be value buying like he likes to do in general.
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by Carl Putnam on Jan 24, 2012 10:20 AM EST up reply actions
I always liked Klesla when he was with CBJ. How’s he been looking for the Yotes this year?
by Rather Bengt on Jan 24, 2012 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
Well done.
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by Carl Putnam on Jan 24, 2012 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
He’s been excellent for much of the season. When they were both healthy Rusty and David Schlemko were the team’s best pairing.
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by Carl Putnam on Jan 24, 2012 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
Does this mean Semin is not “potentially available?”
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by JediChewbacca on Jan 24, 2012 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
Hemsky was almost a point a game last year. What happened? Did he get relegated down a line or something?
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Injuries, overall lack of depth on the Oilers. Hall-Hopkins-Eberle was getting sheltered (both zone starts and competition) like crazy early in the season, meaning Horcoff and Hemsky had to pick up the hard minutes.
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by red army line on Jan 24, 2012 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
Touching story about a guy who is at least on the Caps’ radar as an undrafted free agent:
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Odds on Ovie opting out of ASG?
Per Bobby Mac at tsn.ca:
“Ovechkin, even tho suspended, is eligible for ASG. Should all get sorted out Tues. Nothing final yet. But, IMO, I’d be surprised if he goes.”
I’m hoping he doesn’t go, but encourages Wideman to attend.
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Does Wideman need encouraging to attend? I haven’t heard any reports from Wides himself that Ovie’s suspension was making him reconsider.
by Rather Bengt on Jan 24, 2012 10:02 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t know if he does or doesn’t, but I think it would be a good Captain move for Ovie to support him in going even if he decides to skip it.
Not saying Ovie has decided to, but I can see where it might make Wides (who seems to be a pretty loyal teammate) feel a bit odd if Ovie didn’t go.
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I am all for Wides as a loyal teammate. I just don’t see him withdrawing from the ASG if Ovie chooses to skip it.
by Rather Bengt on Jan 24, 2012 10:08 AM EST up reply actions
I wouldn’t go.
“Given my current playing status, I don’t want to be a distraction to the deserving honorees who will be participating in the All-Star festivities this coming weekend, so I respectfully withdraw my participation in the events.”
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by J.P. on Jan 24, 2012 10:02 AM EST up reply actions 10 recs
Sure you could have. And would have. Let’s see how Sergey does… should it come to that, of course.
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Ovi never needs to be told what to say. Incredibly smart and savvy — usually all I’d say to him is, “you know what you want to say?”
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by S h a g g y on Jan 24, 2012 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
- on our Chrome favorites list, #1 in our hearts.
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by ThePeerless on Jan 24, 2012 10:10 AM EST up reply actions 6 recs
“I think the ASG festivities have grown out of control and threatens the rights, liberties and property of the players. This is being done by both Team Alfie and Team Chara and is direct opposition to the vision of the players who have come before us.
Because I believe this, today I am exercising my right as a player to not go to the All Star game. This is not about my suspension or the rediculous Canadian media who will demonize me either way. This is about the choice I had to make as an individual."
Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...
by dcsportsfan1 on Jan 24, 2012 12:11 PM EST up reply actions 7 recs
Wonder if they’d let Ovechkin know who would go to the ASG in his place? If they said it’d be Neal. maybe he’d definitely go.
If he doesn’t go, I’m sure he’ll encourage Wideman to go and have fun there.
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jan 24, 2012 10:14 AM EST up reply actions
Official Transcript of both on-phone hearings with Michalek & Ovechkin
Shanahan: Hello Z, how are you?
Michalek: Am good, thanks.
Shanahan: So listen, what happened with that hit. Looked rather illegal.
Michalek: It wouldn’t have happened if Ovi hadn’t hit me…[starts sobbing] my head really started hurting, and it caused me to temporarily lose my temper.
Shanahan: Hmm..well…we all lose our temper sometimes. How about we forget this incident, mmm’kay?
Michalek: [stops sobbing] Oh, thank you kind sir! I promise to behave next time.
Later that day:
Shanahan: Hey Ovech-nuts, you there?
Ovechkin: Uh…yeah…why you call me Ovech-nuts? )))))))))
Shanahan: Oh, nothing…must be some static on the line…anyway, that hit was charging. You know that right?
Ovechkin: Yes, I do that. But I didn’t mean to hurt him. I hit his shoulder first. )))))))))
Shanahan: OK, well I was going to give you 1 game, but since you caused Michalek to lose his temper, you’ll get the 2 games I was going to give him. Only fair.
Ovechkin: Wait, WHAT??? How is that fair? ))))))))
Shanahan: [pretending there’s static on line] You’re breaking up Ovi…listen, have fun in Ottawa, regardless of not getting paid. You owe it to the NHL.
Ovechkin: The F&*K I will!! I might not go now!! THIS IS BULLSHIT!! )))))))
Shanahan: OK, by Ovi.
Ovechkin: [muttering]….sick….unbelievable…
by OvechkinGR8 on Jan 24, 2012 10:03 AM EST reply actions 6 recs
Don’t forget the words of encouragement to Z: “You guys can’t afford to lose anybody else in the lineup. Got to make a playoff push, so keep it clean, ok?”
by NateEwell on Jan 24, 2012 10:07 AM EST up reply actions 12 recs
Oof, nice hat you’re wearing there Nate. Where I can I buy one?
"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."
He’s got a point there. Pittsburgh’s the only hockey that makes it on ESPN. ;)
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 24, 2012 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
No, no, no, I’m not putting him down. I’m 100% with him. I’m a tad surprised to see him post something like that. Not working for the Caps any more is liberating, isn’t it?
"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."
I know. I was just being snarky as well. No potshots taken.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 24, 2012 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
...
Here’s what was on from Jan. 7 through Jan. 18:
Total time: 759.5 minutes
Time (minus commercials): 560 minutes
TIME DEVOTED TO INDIVIDUAL SPORTS
NFL: 225.5 minutes (40.2%)
NBA: 106.5 (19%)
College basketball: 76 (13.6%)
College football: 55 (9.8%)
MLB: 16.75 (2.9%)
NHL: 13.5 (2.4%)
Other sports: 18 (3.2%)
SportsCenter staples (things like the “Top 10,” “Encore,” “What 2 Watch 4,” etc.): 48.75 (8.7%)
ESPN doesn’t give a shit about the NHL: Perhaps this isn’t shocking to most of the audience, but the extent to which The Worldwide Leader ignores hockey is astounding. Despite being in the middle of the regular season, the sport was granted all of 13.5 minutes, or less than three percent of the content. That’s less time than was devoted to the MLB, a sport in the middle of an offseason with few newsworthy events since Albert Pujols joined the Angels in December. The NHL is the only major sport that does not have a television deal with ESPN.
by Beakers Lab on Jan 24, 2012 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
The NHL is the only major sport that does not have a television deal with ESPN.
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oh no question they are pissed and punishing the NHL but it’s a joke that the “world wide leader in sports” devotes 13.5 minutes over 11 days to one of the top 4 pro sports
In all fairness their coverage of the NHL was a joke even before the league went to OLN/VS/NBCSN. All this means is that ESPN is spending less time openly mocking the sport.
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by Killer_Carlson on Jan 24, 2012 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
Best thing about new media is that we don’t have to rely on ESPN anymore just to get hockey news. We have the blogosphere. We have Wyshynski. We have the Twitterverse and podcasts. We can completely tune it out and ignore it, and won’t miss a thing.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 24, 2012 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
Hell, NBCSN is showing COLLEGE HOCKEY on Friday nights. The only time we used to get college hockey on ESPN was the Frozen Four. Now there’s a ton of college sports networks that show it.
If somehow they can wangle their way into getting Major Junior games on NBCSN, I would be an extremely happy individual.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 24, 2012 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
Abso-freakin’ lutely. And I’d even check out some E games. But not on E.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 24, 2012 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
“We have Wyshynski” isn’t such a ringing endorsement these days.
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by Rob Parker on Jan 24, 2012 3:18 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
PD is still a great place to go to get hockey news, or at least getting the headlines.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 24, 2012 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
Out of curiosity, when did Wysh go from being an accused Caps homer to being a total anti-Caps dick?
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by Scott in Shaw on Jan 24, 2012 5:49 PM EST up reply actions
Guess it depends who you ask. I think since the end of the last playoffs he’s been in the “pile on the weak sauce” crowd. Caps are an easy target, he’s got plenty of ammo. That’s just how I see it.
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by Rob Parker on Jan 24, 2012 6:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think a big part of that is that because he lives locally, he’s sensitive to accusations of harboring Caps sympathies. Sometimes I think he goes a little bit out of his way to prove that he’s neutral.
If I’m honest, I can’t swear I would do things differently if I was trying to please 30 markets.
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speaking of ESPN, this from today’s chat with barry melrose:
Shawn (MI)
Do you think Ovechkin will be suspended an extra game due to missing the allstar game?.only fair since lidstrom and datsyk were.
Barry Melrose (1:19 PM)
Yeah, same thing happened to Lidstrom so I think something will come of it. I’m watching for something to come down from the NHL for sure.
by Natty Bumppo on Jan 24, 2012 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
Think I already read somewhere that the NHL said they wouldn’t be punishing him further. In other words, Melrose is an idiot.
…and the same thing DIDN’T happen to Lidstrom, so Melrose is an idiot x2. Lidstrom could’ve avoided an (admittedly idiotic) suspension by just going and not playing, they wanted to sell his image; Ovechkin already IS suspended, shouldn’t be expected to let the League profit from his presence one day and then prevent him from playing in games that matter the next.
The definition of being a Caps fan is watching the same team over and over and expecting different results.
Ovechkin already IS suspended, shouldn’t be expected to let the League profit from his presence one day and then prevent him from playing in games that matter the next.
The previous AND the next!
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by iwearstripes on Jan 24, 2012 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
Considering that Lidstrom and Selanne declined their invites this year with no penalties, I think it would be tough to justify going after Ovi.
by Gin and Tonic on Jan 24, 2012 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
Bill Daly said there won’t be any further action from the League (i.e. they’re not going to suspend him).
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From the beat reporters out at KCI, Jeff Schultz isn’t on the ice for morning skate. Might mean nothing, but it might also mean something!
Reporter: "What’s your Mom’s birthday?"
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Anyone have any insight how the nachos are at Kettler?
by Rather Bengt on Jan 24, 2012 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
The nachos at the VC have gotten better, the “Monster Nachos” are interesting (with chicken, black beans, and a ton of cheese). The Hard Times Chili Nachos taste good, but you pay for them the next morning…
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jan 24, 2012 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
Gotta go get a suit for State of the Union.
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by Bald Pollack on Jan 24, 2012 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
The longer he sits, the lower his value as an asset declines. Hoping for the best for #55 – he’s a good hockey player and I think deserves better.
by S h a g g y on Jan 24, 2012 10:15 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Mojo licked his door knob and now he’s sick
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by JediChewbacca on Jan 24, 2012 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
Whyno reporting that Caps say Schultz is ill.
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by Rather Bengt on Jan 24, 2012 10:18 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
(Rec’d) rend Al Green.
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by Bald Pollack on Jan 24, 2012 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
Mike Green…no relation.
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by ThePeerless on Jan 24, 2012 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
How can you be so certain?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 24, 2012 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
sickofbeingoutofthelineupitis
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by ThePeerless on Jan 24, 2012 10:19 AM EST up reply actions
When did he get his license to be ill?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 24, 2012 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
Mike “Run” Green – Hey Sarge, you be illin?
Jam Master Jeff Schultz – I be illin.
by Rather Bengt on Jan 24, 2012 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
More like Mike" Gets run by every forechecker" Green.
by Twenty Seven Ninety on Jan 24, 2012 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
Good morning. This group is great, because we’ve been able to jointly deal with a very aggravating decision that impacts our Caps’ fandom. Last night, we very quickly moved through Elizabeth Kubler-Ross’ five stages of grief:
- Denial — “I can’t believe Ovechkin got suspended, and Michalek didn’t.”
- Anger — “Fuck you Shanhan, you little shit.”
- Bargaining — “Can’t we appeal this? Isn’t there anyway to reduce the number of games?”
- Depression — “28-85-90 first line. This sucks. We’re doomed. The B’s are going to roll us.”
- Acceptance — “28-85-90 first line. At least we have Sasha. TV will step up. We’ll get by and the season is a long way from over.”
The normal Spidey optimism has been tested in the past week, from the Islanders to the Canes to the suspension. However, we do have a long way to go. Our goaltending is doing well. We will get 8 and 19 and 52 back. We will make a run. We will.
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by STLSpidey on Jan 24, 2012 10:12 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
How does your Spidey Optimism respond to the fact that Mike Green no longer has a locker at Verizon Center? They didn’t have enough space so they gave his to Eakin. Knowing he is out injured for a while was one thing but actually seeing how he seems to have no trace left in the locker room was sad to me. At least he still had some sticks around in the holder. Poti’s spot in the stick holder was still there but was barren of sticks.
by vtcapsfan99 on Jan 24, 2012 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
I respond that they didn’t have any space. I’ve no reason to think otherwise. I hope they said as much to Green. Heck, my mom promised me, when I went off to college, that I’d always have a bedroom at home. 12 months later, one of my sisters moved right in. Shit hapens.
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Just summers. I moved out September after my June graduation when I finally found a FT job.
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Oh, back when the economy was such that college grads could find real FT employment a summer after graduating.
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by Rob Parker on Jan 24, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
And when they could get jobs out of this thing called a “newspaper.”
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Jan 24, 2012 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
I have to think, in a completely non-tin-foil-hat way, that Ovechkin’s hit on Michalek was like mana from heaven for the commissioner’s office and the Board of Player Safety. That’s not to say they are trading high-fives this morning, or have been anxiously awaiting the chance to suspend Ovi and screw the caps over. But in terms of driving the narrative of player safety, it’s hard to imagine a better situation.
- Star player who has toed the line frequently between clean and dirty makes a hit that crosses the line but doesn’t injure the other player. No ESPN highlights of a hockey player laying unmoving on the ice for 10 minutes in a pool of blood, no PTI discussions of how hockey is a goon sport.
- League gets to suspend a star player, showing that everyone is accountable, regardless of status. Only people who are upset are the small fraction of hockey fans known as Caps fans. The rest of the NHL fan base applauds.
- Ovechkin potentially decides to sit out the ASG, allowing the NHL to drive it’s narrative to new heights. Gary Bettman gets to say “We’re sorry that Alex didn’t feel comfortable being here, and we respect his decision. But we have to put player safety above everything else, even if that means suspending a superstar.” You can’t buy that kind of PR.
The league isn’t run by idiots, despite how it appears sometimes. They know exactly what they are doing. Without obscenely twisting the rules or having to develop any grand conspiracy, they get a situation that’s about as ideal as they could hope for to shape this issue.
And yet they look like hypocrites for allowing a blatant elbow to the head go unpunished from the same game, so instead of showing that “everyone is accountable, regardless of status” they appear to 1) only care when a star is somehow involved or 2) target certain players and ignore others.
And Ovi missing an ASG that’s devoid of marketable stars – somehow I don’t think the NHL is happy about that prospect at all.
by Gin and Tonic on Jan 24, 2012 11:29 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
And that’s where I do have to grab my tinfoil a little bit. What makes a bigger statement?
a) “It was a rough game and we had to suspend multiple players.”
b) “We’re suspending a superstar because we want to show how serious we are about this.”
The power of the action against Ovi is diminished if action is also taken against Michalek. If you want to highlight a particular action, you don’t mix it in with other actions that might dilute the larger message. That message being "Look how serious we are about this! We suspended Alex “$#@” Ovechkin!".
Regarding missing the all-star game. It’s hard for me to really see a scenario in which Alex’s presence or lack-there-of really affects the in-person attendance or TV ratings. Outside of DC, the people who were going to watch the ASG will still watch it, and those that weren’t going to still won’t.
So it’s more important to be able to say you suspend stars than be able to say you’re trying to protect players.
Michalek’s play was stupid, and should have at least netted him a fine if he decided to do that in the future. Given that Ovechkin received a 3 gamer, Michalek should have at least been matched since they were both equally dangerous.
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by sydtron on Jan 24, 2012 11:46 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If they were equally dangerous I would be able to get behind AO getting stiffer treatment due to past discretions. But Michalek’s hit was worse by far.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Jan 24, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I don’t know but when I saw Ovechkin make that hit all I was thinking of was the Macho Man Randy Savage theme song, because that was one crazy ass flying elbow.
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Ovechkin’s hit was bad, no doubt. But there are few hits that are more dangerous than hits from behind. It takes a special hit to be more dangerous. Like an elbow to the head that drives someone’s face into the boards from behind.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Jan 24, 2012 11:53 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
It’s absurd, I know. But it’s the kind of thinking among “big picture” people that isn’t unfathomable.
What’s going to get player’s attention more, suspending Ovechkin or suspending Ovechkin and Michalek? I think you can make a reasonable argument that suspending Ovi in isolation sends a very specific message, and that suspending both of the players muddies that message.
And that message is what? If it’s player safety, than ignoring the elbow on Hendricks is inexcusable.
If it’s we only care about it when a star is invoved, then well done NHL.
by Gin and Tonic on Jan 24, 2012 12:46 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Would anyone really be that stunned if the NHL was more concerned with appearances than reality? I’m sure the majority of us work in places where we’ve seen appearance placed ahead of reality. I wouldn’t expect the NHL to be different.
The lack of punishment for the hit on Hendricks is inexcusable. I’m trying to rationalize how the NHL makes such a decision without resorting to “They hate the Caps, love the Pens”.
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jan 24, 2012 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
@SkyKerstein:
#Caps Alzner on the no fine/suspension on #Pens Michalek. “We have our theories of why their wasn’t another suspension there”
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by bagace on Jan 24, 2012 10:56 AM EST reply actions 4 recs
would tin foil hats help or hurt the concussion issue?
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by hockeyman33 on Jan 24, 2012 11:23 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Great, now take this as motivation and go out on the ice and play with a chip on the shoulder.
by Gin and Tonic on Jan 24, 2012 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
Depending on who you ask, the chip has been undefeated for 2+ years in a row now.
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by Bald Pollack on Jan 24, 2012 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
Did he really use the improper form of “there”?
"He leaves every ounce of energy that he has on the ice and works very hard at it, and he wants to be the best and he wants to win, If you don’t follow that, you’ve got something wrong with you."
by nogoodtrying on Jan 24, 2012 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
Don’t blame me, I just cut-n-paste.
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Sorry bagace, meant the reporter.
"He leaves every ounce of energy that he has on the ice and works very hard at it, and he wants to be the best and he wants to win, If you don’t follow that, you’ve got something wrong with you."
by nogoodtrying on Jan 24, 2012 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
To think the window has closed on the caps would be a bit premature and naive, I think. With the current talent on this team, the window is still wide open and will be for years to come, regardless of setbacks and issues. It could take a catalyst of some kind, player or personal growth in the players, and this team could be among the best again very quickly.
Maybe there are differing definitions of “window” but to me, the capitals are a team that have the window still wide open, and a team like Columbus has the window shut, sealed, boarded up and painted over.
While the doom and gloom angle certainly is the headline grabber at the moment, and I understand Homer McFanboys desire to capture it, it just comes across as a flat topic that doesn’t really hold water.
Homer’s article may be overstating it, but it’s hard for me not to look at this team and think the window has been pushed down such that there’s just a little draft coming in. I for one have real concerns about this team’s “talent”, certainly relative to true Cup contenders. Think about the rosters of Chicago, San Jose, Vancouver, Detroit, Philly, and probably Boston (though they rely on excellent depth and goaltending moreso than top end “talent”). How does the Caps “talent” compare? Can the Caps come together, get hot for the playoffs and potentially make a run through the second class East? I suppose so, but this team certainly doesn’t look like one with a “wide open” window.
Ted and GMGM have some tough decisions this trade deadline. I for one am starting to think that selling off a few assets is better in the long run than being a buyer. Or at least just stand pat, particularly if Semin can’t garner a decent return. Either last year or the year before, GMGM said after adding a few players at the deadline that the team had earned the right to compete for a championship and deserved his adding a few additional pieces. If that’s the standard, I think I know where this team stands. All that said, I doubt GMGM does much of any selling as making the playoffs might be important for his job security.
by Dirk Dangler on Jan 24, 2012 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
Well, window open for what? This is a team…
- without a second line center (is Johansson that player? Kuznetsov?) without scoring punch from their third or fourth lines (a problem that did them in last spring)
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- that is suddently a little more iffy in goal after this year, since neither Michal Neuvirth nor Braden Holtby have seemed to take that next step upward in their performance with health issues concerning their best defenseman (Green), performance issues concerning one of their thought-of to be better young defensemen (Carlson, although I can’t fathom the sudden “trade Carlson” arguments)
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- without much in the prospect pool past Kuznetsov, and his coming to the NHL is no sure thing with a player in productive decline in the past couple of years (Ovechkin)
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If the window is still wide open for making the playoffs on an annual (more or less) basis for the next five years, that’s probably a safe bet. But no one is putting this team on any short list of Stanley Cup contenders.
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by ThePeerless on Jan 24, 2012 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
dad gum formatting…
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by ThePeerless on Jan 24, 2012 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
If you put an asterisk before each line, it creates bullet points, and you don’t have to worry about the strike-outs appearing.
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You don’t think that if this team actually started playing to it’s potential, with the players they have, they couldn’t at least make it to the finals? When the caps are “on” and they are playing like a well oiled machine, it’s beautiful and they beat really good teams. Consistency has really been the biggest issue for me with this team – not whether or not the window is open or closed.
Well, a little inconsistency is always there, regardless of team. I think it’s best to set expectations below that. Additionally, winning the Cup or even getting to the SCF requires a healthy dose of, well, health, goalies getting hot, hot special teams, and so forth. Carolina did win it all, after all.
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by red army line on Jan 24, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
Yea, I didn’t mean to say I expect the team to stop being inconsistent completely. Even if they just played like they did in the 2nd period against the pens for 2 periods every game, that would be a great start and they would win a LOT of hockey games against some really good teams
How many times have the Caps been “on” this year? Five? Six? Think they can turn it on when the playoffs start? Four years of history says they won’t.
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Still has one more chance. So, Ovi shouldn’t decline?
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Oh now I want him to go more than anything. Please please please.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 24, 2012 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
Meh. I’d rather Neal go tire himself out. Exactly why I hope Vrbata doesn’t get chosen. I would rather players rest up. Plus, in Vrby’s case he can go MJ and use the perceived slight to fuel himself.
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by Carl Putnam on Jan 24, 2012 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
Forgive me for using the term, but he seems to be kind of an enigma. It’s like he stinks everywhere else he plays, but he’s great in Phoenix.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 24, 2012 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
Forgive me for using the term, but he seems to be kind of an enigma.
Hey, he’s not Russian.
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jan 24, 2012 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
He’s not an enigma in the Valley of the Sun. A great two way player with skill. I thought he was a good player with the Avs and Hawks. Keep in mind he was extremely young when he played for the Avs. IIRC he was 20 or 21 when he broke into the league. TB was a train wreck, but that had little to do with him. I think he’s been great in Phoenix because he’s got a GM and a coach who have faith in him and therefore he plays with confidence. I would have to good look at his old TOI stats, but I don’t know if his other coaches used him as much on the PP and PK as Tippett does.
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Just some continuity snark from earlier links/discussions this week about how many thought Neal was snubbed and next-in-line; that hasn’t turned out to be so. I have nothing, personally, against James Neal except for the bird on his chest. (As far as I know. I haven’t met the guy and I’m sure I could figure out something to hate.)
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My initial reaction to the 3 gamer for Ovi (in light of the NHL deciding that Michalek’s hit was only a minor for elbowing) was that Ovi should blow off the All-Star Game. The more I think about it, the more I think the ultimate snub to the NHL is to go to the game, play, sign autographs, and use every interview opportunity to highlight the fact that the NHL says they want to combat concussions, but decides the Michalek hit doesn’t deserve more than 2 minutes.
By not going, the NHL wins. The NHL gets to look like they’re working hard to reduce concussions and make the game safer by coming down hard on their stars. Whether he goes or not, Ovi will be a huge part of the All-Star discussion. By going, he gets a chance to shape that discussion.
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by iwearstripes on Jan 24, 2012 11:23 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
And spend the whole game making huge, clean hits at every opportunity.
by Gin and Tonic on Jan 24, 2012 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
A la Sean Taylor during the Pro-bowl.
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by _Skullduggery_ on Jan 24, 2012 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
The immediate returns may seem higher overall if he goes, but if he doesn’t, the long run returns are higher. Since the lockout the NHL has pushed the Crosby/Ovie narrative hard and banking a lot of their marketability on them as rivals. With both of them out of the lineup for NHL events, thats a bigger problem for them.
By not going, the NHL wins.
Does it? The All-Star Game is essentially a marketing event for the fans. It’s in same vein as the Winter Classic except that game does not even count. Ovechkin was selected to attend for a reason, and it is a good bet that it has less to do with his performance this season and more to do with his star power. Without interesting, marketable players like Ovechkin, the ASG is nothing more than a relay race and a half-assed hockey game.
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by Laich It Or Lump It on Jan 24, 2012 12:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, no Sid or AO at the ASG? It’s either a huge loss for the NHL or it’s a huge win in that they finally will be forced to market some of the other superstars.
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You mean we can tell people about Claude Giroux? Or Pavel Datsyuk? Or myriad of other awesome players (like Loui Eriksson!)?
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Jan 24, 2012 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
I love how the NHL just sort of said “fuck it” after awhile. They haven’t even bothered trying to cultivate someone. I guess not much of a need after they landed the TV deal to force anyone’s hand, but, it’s still kind of a bummer.
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interesting post on bsh about the score adjusted fenwick. he started the analysis because he felt the caps were strong in tied fenwick but overrated in all other situations. the results are not surprising.
FLA injury note
Panthers coach Kevin Dineen says Dmitry Kulikov had knee surgery yesterday. Expected to be out 6-8 weeks
Wasn’t me, I swear.
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by Bald Pollack on Jan 24, 2012 11:54 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
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Rask time? RT @HackswithHaggs: Peter Chiarelli said “his guess” was that Tim Thomas won’t be playing tonight against the Capitals.
Should we be disappointed if true?
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Rask tried to chop the crossbar in half with his stick the other day. It could be interesting.
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He has some of the best goalie meltdowns.
Once you take the fisting element out, it's not romantic anymore.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Jan 24, 2012 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
That’s the one I was thinking of.
Once you take the fisting element out, it's not romantic anymore.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Jan 24, 2012 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
The guy’s got nothing on me.
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jan 24, 2012 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
He did a full roar before he progressed to the chop, too. It was hysterical.
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How has that not been made into a GIF yet?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 24, 2012 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
Google “Tuukka Rask’s Khan Moment”. It’s there. (Can’t link to it from this PC)
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Oh man, that GIF is fantastic.
Once you take the fisting element out, it's not romantic anymore.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Jan 24, 2012 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
I want to marry that GIF and adopt children with it.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 24, 2012 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
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by sydtron on Jan 24, 2012 12:18 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
HULK SMASH!
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Jan 24, 2012 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
Haha… Seidenberg backing slowly away is the best part.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 24, 2012 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
1A would be the official fleeing as soon as the stick goes up.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 24, 2012 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
Geez….can’t even scare up a good shattering of a goalie stick?…rookie.
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by ThePeerless on Jan 24, 2012 1:30 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I like the ref getting the hell outta there ….
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by TheFuryUnleashed on Jan 24, 2012 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
The always-awesome Charlie Pierce chimes in on ThomasGate.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 24, 2012 12:02 PM EST reply actions
Repeat Offender?
So I pulled out the CBA and read the sections relating to suspensions and supplemental discipline.
First off, where in the CBA does it indicate that the eighteen month rule only relates to the allowable fines? The rule clearly states that status shall be re-determined every eighteen months. So I’m not sure Shanahan’s stance that suspensions from more than eighteen months prior can still be used to determine the length of the suspension is valid. If this is a matter of interpretation, the Player has grounds to appeal the length of his suspension if offenses older than 18 months contributed to the length of his suspension.
From Article 18:
© Status as a “first” or “repeat” offender shall be re-determined every eighteen (18) months, on a rolling basis, i.e., where a Player does not have another suspension
From Appendix 8 of the CBA:
(d) status as a “first” or “repeat” offender shall be re-determined every eighteen (18) months. For example, where a Player is suspended for the first time, he is a repeat offender if he is suspended again within eighteen (18) months of the first incident. If he is not suspended a second time within this eighteen (18) month period, he will no longer be treated as a repeat offender for disciplinary purposes
Also from Appendix 8:
In deciding on supplementary discipline, the following factors will be taken into account:
© The status of the offender, and specifically whether he is a “first” or “repeat” offender. Players who repeatedly violate NHL rules will be more severely punished for each new violation.
There is nothing in the CBA that indicates that the eighteen month rule for determining repeat offender status shall be limited to use in the calculation of forfeited salary. My reading of the relevant sections of the CBA seem to indicate that the eighteen month rule shall apply to both the amount of salary forfeited AND the length of any suspension.
Now, I believe Shanny’s interpretation of the rule is superior from an enforcement perspective. That said, if they’re going to suspend players for failing to follow the rules, they need to follow the rules in suspending them as well. Since the length of the suspension effects the amount of salary forfeited, the NHLPA should be taking the NHL to task on this. Not just for Ovi, but for every player that has ended up on the wrong side of this interpretation.
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by iwearstripes on Jan 24, 2012 12:06 PM EST reply actions 11 recs
I was about to ask how long a player has to wait for a repeat offender tag to drop. This is rather interesting…
Especially since they’ll be sitting down for a fresh CBA battle this spring/summer. If the NHLPA takes it to an arbitrator, and they win, they have another chip in the upcoming round of CBA negotiations. If they lose, they’ve still flexed their muscles a bit, and struck some fear into ownership…
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by iwearstripes on Jan 24, 2012 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
I am very interested to see where Ted fits in if that line progresses.
If this turns into a labor vs. management issue, you could argue that he has already thrown his lot with what could become the NHLPA side, which could put him in an awkward position down the road.
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I think the owner’s will “win” this CBA but the current deal is unfairly stacked toward the players due to the massive pay cuts that happened. About enough time has passed that the league can shift more pay away from the players to the owners safely, however, if they get rid of the cap floor I’m starting a Vancouver style riot.
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The owners will almost surely be able to claw some money back out from the players this time around, but it won’t come easy. I’m convinced the reason the NHL isn’t suspending players for begging out of the All Star Game is because they don’t want to give the NHLPA another issue to bitch about in negotiations.
There are already some contentious issues: realignment, the Olympics, maximum fines, burying high cap hits in the AHL, etc.
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by iwearstripes on Jan 24, 2012 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
It won’t be easy, sure, I’m just saying the owners will come out with a “win” but the players will get (almost) all their demands in return.
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Probably. I’d also guess that like last time, the owners getting a “win” will end up being the players getting a “win” in the long run. The owners wanted a percentage of revenues (as opposed to a fixed dollar amount salary cap). They got it, but as revenues climbed, the cap soared far higher than the NHLPA’s proposed dollar cap.
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by iwearstripes on Jan 24, 2012 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
Now cue the Detroit fans screaming that he should be fined for not going.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 24, 2012 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
“If you see the big picture, our universe is so tiny, like a dot. And you think we have some problems here with the All-Star Game? What about, compared to like, nothing.”
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by Laich It Or Lump It on Jan 24, 2012 12:38 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Good for him. I think the ASG is shite to begin with but going after that debacle is a joke. If Michalek was suspended, yeah, maybe he should go but that ain’t what happened.
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Alex Ovechkin says his heart is not in it and that is why he’s not going to the NHL All-Star Game
Can’t really say I’m encouraged by the cut of that jib.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Jan 24, 2012 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
well he can’t come out and give the NHL the finger, perhaps this is just him being diplomatic
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by JediChewbacca on Jan 24, 2012 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
“The league is so humangus beeg. Why I need to be there?”
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Jan 24, 2012 12:36 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
It doesn’t sound so bad in long form:
"My heart is not there. I got suspended, so why I have to go there?," Ovechkin said. "I love the game it’s a great event, I love to be there but I’m suspended. I don’t want to be a target. I feel I’m not deserving to be there right now. I got suspended, I have to be suspended so that’s why I give up my roster [spot]."
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too bad we didn’t establish the “Shot every time Ovi says suspended rule”
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by JediChewbacca on Jan 24, 2012 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
I think this comes off as petty and childish. It can easily be argued that Ovi going or not going to the ASG would be a ‘distraction’. I’m sure it won’t be mentioned once during the weekend that Ovi chose to skip the ASG as a result of his suspension.
"[Boudreau] lets the offensive guys like myself and Brooks do our thing. A lot of dangling." - Matt Bradley
I don’t think a player that’s suspended should be taking part in a league game such as the ASG. I definitely don’t think that the league should be able to benefit from marketing a player that they recently suspended, while he is suspended. “Come see Ovechkin play against the stars at the All Star Game* *but not at games that actually matter.”
Bollocks off you wankers.
Once you take the fisting element out, it's not romantic anymore.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Jan 24, 2012 12:39 PM EST up reply actions 13 recs
I don’t disagree, but that’s not the rule that is currently in place. Ovechkin is taking his ball and going home so-to-speak. My interest in the ASG is meh at best, but skipping out on it because he was suspended just doesn’t come off well in my opinion.
"[Boudreau] lets the offensive guys like myself and Brooks do our thing. A lot of dangling." - Matt Bradley
I definitely don’t think that the league should be able to benefit from marketing a player that they recently suspended
Well done (and Rec’d). NHL ASG is a marketing tool plain and simple, not just for fans of the host city but the corporate sponsors who are invited to the games to smooze with the stars. Except one such star won’t be there, due to the actions of the league that’s promoting him.
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It is worth noting that Michalek missed 10 games this season with a concussion and you better believe that if that was Michalek leaving his feet to ram Nicklas Backstrom’s head into the glass, fans in Washington would be complaining that three games wasn’t enough.
Hell, it was Hendricks that Michalek nailed (albeit not on a hit like the one doled out by AO) and plenty of fans are complaining that they screwed the pooch on punishment.
Once you take the fisting element out, it's not romantic anymore.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Jan 24, 2012 12:35 PM EST reply actions
I don’t think the correlation between Michalek’s worth to the Pens equals Backstrom’s worth to the Caps, so the hypothetical doesn’t stand.
by Rather Bengt on Jan 24, 2012 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
Gormley!
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 24, 2012 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
Good to know he grew up on old-time hockey though.
Cross check and all call.
by bigonetimer on Jan 24, 2012 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
No the values aren’t equal. But the point still remains, that if it had been someone important on the Caps roster the fans would be upset. But instead Michalek laid a dirty hit on a 4th liner, and fans are still upset. So perhaps it’s not that it’s a dirty hit on an important member of the team, but that it’s a dirty hit.
Once you take the fisting element out, it's not romantic anymore.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Jan 24, 2012 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
Geez. If Michalek got 2 for the hit on Hendy and Ovi got 3, one extra because of past history, i would have thought both were excessive but at least consistent. All fans are asking for is consistency. How you can give one guy 3 and another guy zero for a hit to the head is beyond me.
Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...
by dcsportsfan1 on Jan 24, 2012 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
“hands off my tiny grapes.”
:)
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by JediChewbacca on Jan 24, 2012 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
Now that Ovechkin is ‘boycotting’ the ASG, anyone not going to watch it? If you weren’t going to watch it anyone then this doesn’t apply to you. I for one won’t watch it, just for shits and gigs.
by RossingtonCollins on Jan 24, 2012 12:40 PM EST reply actions
I watch the proceesdings for Alex, not because he’s a Capital, but because he’s entertaining.
by wickedwitch on Jan 24, 2012 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, he is the only player who seems to understand that the events during the All-Star weekend are supposed to be fun and entertaining. The others need to lighten up more, be less stiff during the draft at least.
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Ironic that during the ASG the Canadians become the enigmatic ones?
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by JediChewbacca on Jan 24, 2012 1:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah I will watch the all-star draft. It makes me laugh.
by Rather Bengt on Jan 24, 2012 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
Yep. Draft and skills and that’s it. Haven’t watched the actual game in forever.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 24, 2012 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
I am completely on board with this decision by Ovi, and GMGM is too. He said the team supports it. This is what we need to do. For too long, the Jersey’s, Philly’s, Det’s, and Pit’s of the world get away with whatever they want and push the league agenda, also influencing reffing. I think for a while Ted and GMGM tried to play nice in hopes of garnering favour. Clearly that has never worked. Fine. F*ck’em. From now on, it’s us against the world. Get the players on board with this too. From now on – The Capitals Ride Alone.
by Phil23 on Jan 24, 2012 12:41 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
Oh, indeed.
J.P.: You might be the king of all geeks here…
by Alz Well That Ends Well on Jan 24, 2012 12:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
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by Bald Pollack on Jan 24, 2012 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
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Need something a bit harder than that.

Evgeni Malkin, was a hero to most….but he never meant shit to me
Straight up dirty, simple and plain
Motherfuck him and Kris Letang
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 24, 2012 12:49 PM EST up reply actions 9 recs
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by Bald Pollack on Jan 24, 2012 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
I got a letter from Shanahan, the other day
I opened and read, it said he was a sucka
He wanted me for his all-star game or whatever
Picture me giving a damn I said never!
….
by Kareem E. on Jan 24, 2012 1:56 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
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But now Ovi’s going to miss Drake!
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 24, 2012 12:53 PM EST reply actions
Oh God, this is funny
Huh. If they wanted somebody appealing in between second and third periods, you’d think they would’ve gone with Bieber.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 24, 2012 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
Jack Edwards @RealJackEdwards We reached out to NHL… Shanahan’s view was that it was shoulder first, then head… Timing closer to a half second than one second late.
stay classy, Shanahan.
KEEP YOUR HEAD UP KIDS
AND ALSO BEFORE YOU CHEAPSHOT SOMEONE, MAKE SURE YOU HIT THEIR SHOULDER FIRST
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Is this with regards to the Michalek hit?
Once you take the fisting element out, it's not romantic anymore.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Jan 24, 2012 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
Sestito on Horton, sorry, way out of context. Sestito should have sat at least 5 for that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AoONGHMDT0
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Not a very good video, but reminiscent of Richards on Booth.
Once you take the fisting element out, it's not romantic anymore.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Jan 24, 2012 1:19 PM EST up reply actions
Listening to GMGM talking about Ovi, he mentioned about him looking forward to the game in Montreal, which will be his first game back from suspension, and how he loves to play there.
Oh by the way, he has a charitable event there the night before. Can you imagine if the suspension had been for four games?
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I’ll be at that game. Pumped.
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by Scott in Shaw on Jan 24, 2012 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe Tim Thomas will skip the game. After all, it’s in Washington, and he HATES Washington.
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Washington sucks. It doesn’t even run its own government, but is a puppet (state?) for the powerful who move us little people like pawns in their sick game.
Reynolds wrap or the generic? It sure is hard to get genuine tin foil these days. Chinese-made aluminum just doesn’t do the job.
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Tim or no Tim, anyone want to take a stab at the results of tonight’s contest?
"One of the most difficult things everyone has to learn is that for your entire life you must keep fighting and adjusting if you hope to survive." -George Allen
7-2.
Once you take the fisting element out, it's not romantic anymore.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Jan 24, 2012 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
That’s the spirit! Let’s go Caps!
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by nogoodtrying on Jan 24, 2012 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
Sigh.
We’re going to buy a bag of popcorn (thanks, Ted, for the free voucher!) and pretend it’s a night at the movies and just chill out.
"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."
I took a friend to his first game and he sat with his goodies and barely made a move. I was cheering, out of my seat when they scored and he was watching with such disinterest I wanted to go give his ticket to someone else.
That said, I don’t blame you tonight. The question is, what kind of movie? Murder mystery? Thriller? Action? Noire? Spaghetti Western? (this is my choice- Semin as the man with no name)
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I like that you don’t give a winner. It leaves it up to the reader to decide; like Beatles lyrics.
Goo goo ga joob.
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Front of today’s WaPo sports section says the game tonight is at TD Garden. Did the editor not see the other story about the Bruins in DC and think, maybe it’s because they’re playing here? (FWIW, the location is right in the “next 3 games box” in the inside page) That’s the second time in a couple week’s I’ve noticed WaPo mess up the date/location of a game. Editor needs to put a team schedule up in his/her cubicle.
I recognize these situations are not 100% alike, but I am curious if some people think one form of declining an NHL All-Star Game invitation is acceptable while the other is not acceptable.
A. An elite NHL player with stats and team leadership to support being named an NHL all-star works behind the scenes with his agent, GM and the NHL to ensure he’s not named to the ASG roster.
B. An elite NHL player with stats (which led people to question why the player was named to the upcoming NHL ASG roster, outside of his being an elite player, recognizable and marketable,) is suspended and the suspension includes NHL games both leading up to and after the NHL ASG and works with his team to tell the NHL he declines to attend the NHL ASG.
My question/issue is not about the individuals (e.g., Teemu Selanne (A), Lidstrom (A) , Ovechkin (B) from my perspective; not about age and whether you think it’s ok or not ok for the older players like Selanne and Lidstrom to do this, but about whether one views one as acceptable and the other as unacceptable?
I think both are acceptable. Why? Because the ASG, as much as I enjoy it, is an exhibition game that has nothing to do with the regular season, team unity or even growing the sport of hockey (because let’s face it, people who watch All Star games are already fan of whatever sport the game is representing).
There’s nothing wrong with bowing out if you don’t want to be there. As a fan who watches loyally every year, I’d rather see guys who want to be there having fun than guys who are going because the NHL is forcing them to do so.
The definition of being a Caps fan is watching the same team over and over and expecting different results.
by Becca H on Jan 24, 2012 1:51 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
I recognize people have different viewpoints regarding all-star games. I understand your viewpoint and happen to agree with a lot of it, but I guess I didn’t ask my question correctly.
My question is can you say one is acceptable and the other is not?
I think either both are acceptable or both aren’t acceptable. I’m having a difficult time reconciling the viewpoint that A is acceptable but B isn’t because the player was “selected/named”
Here’s the reason for my question, I’m preparing a reply to this agent via twitter and while I am still trying to shorten my response to meet twitter restrictions, I’m still trying to reconcile this viewpoint and I can’t.
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“All #athletes need to remember that without #FANS there are no #BigSalaries, #NiceCars and #BigHouses! Lets appreciate #Fans and give back”
“Show up IF chosen! @sk84fun_dc @NortonSports So u disagree w GMs & NHL allowing players like Lidstrom & Selanne to decline be4 being named?” (note: my actual tweet: “@NortonSports So you disagree with GMs & NHL allowing players like Lidstrom & Selanne to decline in advance of being named to ASG roster?”)
“I am a BIG believer that #NHL needs to make policy where player must attend #ASG if selected! It is an honor and privilege to rep #Hockey!”
“Classless move is #insult to #FANS! @SunGarrioch No Alex Ovechkin at all-star game. What kind of distraction would he be? None really. #NHL”
and an earlier tweet of mine in reaction to several comments I saw on twitter:
“I hope media/agents saying Ovechkin’s decision “classless”, etc., stated same about players who ahead of time declined to go to ASG. #Caps"
Yeah, I don’t get that. I don’t see the ASG as being a giant, wet kiss to the fans. It’s meant to be fun and a showcase, but I don’t see it as that earthshaking.
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Ok, but whether you view it that way or not, how can you make those comments about it being for the fans, etc., and then say it’s different because Selanne and Lidstrom worked ahead of time to ensure that they were not named when the omissions were so obvious it was reported on and confirmed in each case that they requested that they not be named.
Considering it was the league, not the fans, that chose Ovechkin to participate I don’t think the “FANS” play into it. These are the same FANS around the league who don’t think he deserves to be at the game, the same FANS who boo him at just about every visiting arena every time he touches the puck, and the same FANS who think he is a dirty, selfish player.
Now, if the ASG was in DC or this was some other Capitals-hosted event that Ovi declined participation – then he would be snubbing his fans and there would be something to talk about.
by Gin and Tonic on Jan 24, 2012 2:20 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
I was going to say “or if the fans had voted him in” but I think at this point unless it’s actually in DC that ain’t going to happen…so carry on ;)
The definition of being a Caps fan is watching the same team over and over and expecting different results.
Might not happen here, either. I think Caps fans give the appearance of not giving a damn about the voting.
"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."
I bet it’s that whole living in DC, “our vote doesn’t count” mentality… :D
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by Becca H on Jan 24, 2012 2:28 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Typically, I don’t care. Especially with the vote rigging that has gone on in the past.
However, IF the ASG was in DC – I’d vote as much as I could. But that’s just me.
by Gin and Tonic on Jan 24, 2012 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
I agree. If the fans voted him in, that would have been a different situation.
But giving his current performance trends – I don’t see that happening.
by Gin and Tonic on Jan 24, 2012 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
Does anyone think the All Star Game would be better off as a summer event held sometime after the SC Final, but before most players amp up their training? In conjunction with the NHL Awards? By the end of the season you know who the top players are for that season: goalies, forwards, defensemen, rookies. Having it at award time could help increase the “fun” since the players are more relaxed.
Giving all players the chance to have a mini-vacation at season mid-point would be more equitable.
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Sounds good to me.
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I don’t think the league should be suspending players for skipping the All Star Game regardless of their reasons. The players aren’t compensated for playing in the All Star Game, and have a responsibility to their actual employers (their respective teams) to be at their best for the 82 games a year that count. If a player feels he better serves his team by taking a few days off, he should do so without fear of suspension from the NHL.
I am a hockey fan first, and a Caps fan second.
by iwearstripes on Jan 24, 2012 1:54 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I should have stated this doesn’t have to do with suspending a player. I thought the 1 game suspensions to Lidstrom and Datsyuk were overboard a few seasons ago.
I’m not okay with the suspension, because I think skipping a game of shinny is perfectly okay, regardless of the reason.
I am a hockey fan first, and a Caps fan second.
by iwearstripes on Jan 24, 2012 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
I understand completely where the NHL is coming from, though. If its best players continue skip out on it, what reason will there be to watch it/hold it/pay for it (from the sponsors POV)?
The NHL will eventually realize one of two things: 1) The ASG needs to be the Pro Bowl of the NHL, where the stars who didn’t make it to the SC final showcase their stuff while they’re still in shape, but no longer concerned about the season; and/or 2) The ASG is a complete waste of time for the players, which means that it either needs a revamp or that it needs to count somehow, say like the MLB ASG where the winning team gets home ice advantage or something.
by DrinkingPartner on Jan 24, 2012 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
I agree. Someone proposed an opt-out for select circumstances like age or number of already attended ASGs. I could buy something like that if it was official.
The ratings can’t be that great to begin with. I know plenty of diehard hockey fans who don’t even consider watching it.
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Well, I’d actually prefer to see the fastest skaters in the league compete against each other. That is more interesting to me than star power.
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I’d love to see a race between Cogliano and Chimera.
by DrinkingPartner on Jan 24, 2012 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
Sign me up for that too.
And, hey, DP. Nice to see you around.
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by DrinkingPartner on Jan 24, 2012 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
The NHL already has a version of the Pro Bowl… World Championships…
The ASG is a joke. The skills competition is more entertaining than the game.
I am a hockey fan first, and a Caps fan second.
by iwearstripes on Jan 24, 2012 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
I’d prefer a skills event without a game. I also wish the Caps still did a team skills event. I recognize risk for injury, cost of arena (although a bit different now that it is owned by same owner) and costs of running the event, but found the couple I attended entertaining.
I’d prefer a skills event without a game.
Agreed. I also wonder if the NHL could get fans more involved, similar to some of the games that happen during intermissions. Add a level of interaction. Win a chance to skate against an NHLer, or something like that.
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‘skate against an NHL’er’ screams to me risk of injury/unlikely to happen. I could see a charity auction or a contest to be selected to participate in the hardest shot or accuracy competition.
I got it. Children line up to shoot pucks at a rookie in a dunk tank.
I kid. I kid.
4 hours and 20 mintues until show time.
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Semin lobby mistakenly votes him in.
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It says dunk tank not diving tank (I kid)
by sk84fun_dc on Jan 24, 2012 2:50 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Yes, liability issues came to mind, but parameters can be put in place. Sign an agreement, protective gear, etc. If NHLers can play street hockey with school groups, then the NHL can figure out how to get fans more involved at the All Star Game.
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Id really like to see who the fastest skater in the NHL is …. wonder if Chimmer takes the title…
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by TheFuryUnleashed on Jan 24, 2012 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
Grabner.
Who won it last year?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 24, 2012 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
Would love to see Holtby compete in the goalie portion. Which I’m sure will only last until someone’s franchise netminder bites it in the corner and shatters his ankle to bits.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 24, 2012 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
Didn’t Timmy fall down last year?
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I can’t remember. All that stuff blends together after awhile.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 24, 2012 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
Yes. Yes he did. Why hello there, renewed interest in ASG…
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 24, 2012 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 24, 2012 3:03 PM EST up reply actions 12 recs
…..I can’t see it and I MUST. Can someone email it to me? :)
The definition of being a Caps fan is watching the same team over and over and expecting different results.
Or Helm.
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by red army line on Jan 24, 2012 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
If you allow A, it would demote ASG to secondary event, where good but not allstar players would show up, cause they lack of attention otherwise or don´t have anything to rest for. Like a World Cup compared to Olympic games. Then why do you need ASG at all?
ASG should be a festivity of the game for fans AND for players too. Thats why a suspended player shouldn´t be invited to it.
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Does anyone else find Wysh’s final lines in his article bothersome?
Enjoy your vacation, Mr. Ovechkin. You’ll be spared the embarrassment of being picked last in the NHL Fantasy Draft, and the fans in Ottawa will be spared from having to see a sullen superstar who can’t own up to his actions, just like his organization can’t.
by Rather Bengt on Jan 24, 2012 3:17 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
gotta push page views and a narrative
by Beakers Lab on Jan 24, 2012 3:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, that got under my skin a little. I started to log on to post a comment and backed off.
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by Backeez Got Back on Jan 24, 2012 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
Sad thing is, you did exactly what about 99.9% of the PD commenters SHOULD do (and your comment would most likely use proper spelling and punctuation and lack any sort of homophobic slur).
The definition of being a Caps fan is watching the same team over and over and expecting different results.
I actually saw a fair number of pretty decent comments on this article. My favorite:
Hatfield223: … he can’t win either way. If he went he was going to get bashed for being undeserving or for playing while suspended, and if he stayed home he’d be accused of pouting. I don’t blame him. Having to be the NHL’s bad guy year after year must be exhausting.
There’s some others too. Definitely a pleasant surprise.
"You do that, you go to the box, you know. Two minutes, by yourself, you know and you feel shame" -Denis Lemieux
Okay – you shamed me into it. I went back and took one for the team.
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by Backeez Got Back on Jan 24, 2012 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
Wysh’s article is pretty bad. And the headline smacks of yellow journalism. Sadly it’s what I’ve come to expect from his pieces. He flip flops tons on various positions.
Once you take the fisting element out, it's not romantic anymore.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Jan 24, 2012 3:19 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Can’t even tell you how angry that last section made me. Seethed when I read that, and it’s coming back now that I re-read it.
The definition of being a Caps fan is watching the same team over and over and expecting different results.
by Becca H on Jan 24, 2012 3:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Check out the comments. The first dozen or so are not on board with Wysh.
There's always more to learn about Hockey.
And a few are actually well thought out!
"You do that, you go to the box, you know. Two minutes, by yourself, you know and you feel shame" -Denis Lemieux
Cats and dogs living together, what the hell is happening?
The definition of being a Caps fan is watching the same team over and over and expecting different results.
And the title quote is misleading when compared to the full quote.
Please, call me F&B.
by Rob Parker on Jan 24, 2012 3:22 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Wonder how he would feel if it was Parise in Ovechkin’s position?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 24, 2012 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
“He didn’t do anything wrong ever. Any choice he makes is the right choice!”
Once you take the fisting element out, it's not romantic anymore.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Jan 24, 2012 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
Is this the face of a man. . .
Who would ever do something wrong?

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by Hang a Laingtern on Your Problems on Jan 24, 2012 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
I so want him on the Caps … my only fanboy crush …
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by TheFuryUnleashed on Jan 24, 2012 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
patrick kane for me. but i’m in chicago 1/4 of my time these days, so hopefully i’ll be taking in a bunch of blackhawks games.
by Natty Bumppo on Jan 24, 2012 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
will do. i hope to be at the caps game in late march with some friends, but otherwise it’s been me sneaking off by myself whenever a cheap single ticket surfaces on stubhub.
by Natty Bumppo on Jan 24, 2012 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
Be careful, Natty will get you kicked out of any bars you try to go to post-game.
Please, call me F&B.
by Rob Parker on Jan 24, 2012 6:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
that rec could have come from any number of rink regulars.
by Natty Bumppo on Jan 24, 2012 6:49 PM EST up reply actions
Just wait until Parise leaves the Devils next year to play for his hometown Wild.
by Rather Bengt on Jan 24, 2012 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
Paragraphs like that give Wysh just about as much credibility as the people who comment on there.
In all fairness, yes, he was a little undeserving, but due to the fact he’s a huge superstar and major attraction to the event, they want him there. That being said, now that he’s skipping this year, he won’t have that same honor extended to him if he doesn’t have the stats to garner an invitation in the future. And should he ever get snubbed in the future, I think it would be hypocritical of he, or any other member of the Caps’ organization to whine about it.
Last, despite his “down” year, if any of you were in Chara or Alfredsson’s shoes, would you really pick Ovechkin last? That’s one of those bad jokes that people keep hearing and try to pass for their own.
by JimCareyFanClub on Jan 24, 2012 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
a bucket of tripe
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At least it’s not as bad as Burnside, who thinks Ovi should have gotten 10 games.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 24, 2012 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
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Speaking of veering (or leaping), Washington captain Alexander Ovechkin will cool his blades for the next three games for leaping into the air and crunching Pittsburgh’s Zbynek Michalek against the end boards in Sunday’s shootout loss to the Penguins. (Ovechkin pulled out of the All-Star Game on Tuesday afternoon.) This is the fifth suspension/fine for reckless behavior Ovechkin has incurred in his career or roughly one a year. I didn’t like the hit. As league disciplinarian Brendan Shanahan noted in his video explanation (I hope he’s getting paid by the video hit, he’s been so busy), Ovechkin didn’t need to leave his feet to make the play on Michalek, which suggests a guy that still doesn’t get it.
That strikes at the heart of my disappointment at how the league’s supplementary discipline has degenerated into more of the same after such a promising start. You and I spoke to Shanahan in the fall. He insisted that his mandate, reinforced by discussions with GMs and players around the league, was to go after the repeat offenders. Well, hard to imagine that three games is anything more than an extended All-Star break for Ovechkin. This is a guy who saw his teammate Nicklas Backstrom go down, thanks to a dangerous elbow from Rene Bourque a few weeks ago, and Backstrom still hasn’t played. Obviously that had little impact on Ovechkin. You know what might have made an impact? A 10-game stint on the sidelines. Time to start making both teams and players pay for their dangerous work.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 24, 2012 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
Anyone cry foul on Bourque’s game total?
I don’t think Ovi plays any more physically or near the edge than (enter any Bruins’ name here).
People love to hammer down the nail that sticks up.
"One of the most difficult things everyone has to learn is that for your entire life you must keep fighting and adjusting if you hope to survive." -George Allen
Leaping is an exaggeration. He certainly launched himself, but did not leap. Want to see leaping into a hit? – see Kronwall’s hit on Kesler on 12/21/11.
What burns me the most is once again a clear elbow to the head is ignored in order to pillory Ovechkin.
Using his logic, this can also be said – Michalek has seen Letang and Crosby both go down from hits to the head, but that did little to keep him from targeting Hendricks’ head.
This is his 5th fine/suspension in 7 seasons. Well under one a year. But keep the meme alive.
What’s worse – just a short time ago Burnside criticized the NHL for the suspension after the Campbell hit. http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/columns/story?columnist=burnside_scott&id=4998669 He even mentioned that the Cooke-Savard hit happened in the same timeframe with no supplemental discipline issued.
Anything for page views I guess.
by Gin and Tonic on Jan 24, 2012 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
Sunday’s shootout loss to the Penguins.
Wha?
This is the fifth suspension/fine for reckless behavior Ovechkin has incurred in his career or roughly one a year
I think he’s played 6.5 seasons. Which is closer to 3/4 of a suspension per year. He’s also had thousands of hits. How many have been head shots? This, I believe, is the first non-Olympic head shot he’s been involved in. And it’s not even a targetted head shot, which is what the league is really focused on. Rene Bourque, on the other hand got 5 games for a targetted head shot. He’s a repeat offender within THE SAME MONTH, yet Burnside things Ovi should get double his suspension?
Equating Bourque’s blantant elbow to the chin of Backstrom to Ovi’s reckless hit on Michalek is laughable. One hit was behind the play against a truely defenseless opponent with a clear elbow to the melon. The other was a reckless charge against a player engaged with the puck where the head was not targetted.
Burnside should focus his comments on why a clear head shot from Michalek wasn’t penalized and not so much why Ovi wasn’t punished more.
Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...
by dcsportsfan1 on Jan 24, 2012 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
Or why the reasoning Shanahan used in the Bourque decision had no bearing on the Michalek hit on Hendricks.
“"Bourque continues his path and throws an elbow, making principal point of contact with Backstrom’s jaw. This is a hit to the head in a clear violation of Rule 48, an illegal check to the head, which states:
A hit resulting in contact with an opponent’s head, where the head is targeted and the principal point of contact, is not permitted.
"When we look at the events of this game, we believe Bourque’s assertion that this was an instinctive reflex rather than a premeditated intent to injure. However, as all of the parties in the hearing agreed: This reckless elbow to the head is indefensible."
So a hit to the head is punishable one day – but not on another day.
And on what grounds can the NHL believe that throwing a “reckless elbow” as you skate past an unsuspecting player is an “instinctive reflex.”
It’s as if they were doing all they could to limit the punishment for an illegal hit on a Capitals player. Nahh, they would never treat Washington unfairly.
by Gin and Tonic on Jan 24, 2012 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
Usually not a fan of Burnside, but this pushed me over the edge. Just a stupid thing to write in an article.
I honestly think that all this “instant social media” has caused even paid reporters to stop thinking about what they write anymore. Its just unfiltered twitter-like trash, even on national outlets like espn. Journalism has gone to shit these days.
Hard to believe. Ovechkin’s hit, while reckless, did not target the head, caused no injury and was not even called during the game.
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By Burnside’s logic, Michalek should have gotten 25 games after seeing what happened to Crosby and Marc Savard via Matt Cooke.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 24, 2012 3:49 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
After Suspension
I am sure it has been mentioned but my biggest concern is not the 3 games. It is what happens after the 3 games. If Ovi doesnt play with an edge, he is not the same player. He needs to play a little mad, thats when he is at his best and is what separates him from a lot of players in my mind. Not to mention, next time Ovi has a questionable hit, and there will be a next time, suspension may be 10 games and Burnside will get his wish.
I’m extremely concerned about what happens after the suspension as well. He may play with his normal edge after this suspension but if he gets suspended again, it will probably for 5 games, if not 10 games. And then he would definitely tone his game down, to the point of no longer being Ovi.
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I can’t get passed that there was no fine or suspension for Michalek.
What a sham.
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Someone sent this video to Mike Vogel late last night. I provided two links in case the first one doesn’t work.
VogsCaps Mike Vogel
Nice find. Dunno? @steve_offutt: remember Giroux hit on Semin last year? Why no suspension? …he left his feet bit.ly/eeGS5j #Caps
Does anyone here think this was an illegal hit by Giroux on Semin last year? How is this hit different than what Ovi did? He doesn’t target the head but he launches himself at Semin. If Semin doesn’t duck quickly he could have been seriously hurt. Notice that on the tweet, the NHL calls it a "collision".
https://twitter.com/#!/NHL/status/50546594361262080
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3jiS0DY_uM
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I’ve got no problem with Ovie getting a game or two suspension, but yea, theres been a lot of inconsistency in league discipline for sure. As someone mentioned above, this was the perfect storm for the NHL and they are riding it out the best they can. Hes a star player and its ASG time, so you suspend him to prove that star players aren’t immune to discipline and then we he must certainly skips the ASG, you turn him into the bad guy. Simple marketing. Well done, NHL, you’ve strengthens your already existing fan bases and alienated new costumers… oh wait, thats not what they were trying to do?
Well, that was Campbell’s call, not Shannahan’s. And while Shannahan’s been inconsistent, Campbell was 100 times worse.
I realize the hit happened last year when Shannahan wasn’t around but did the rules for charging also changed? I find it interesting that the NHL called it a collision but in Ovi’s case, it’s a violation of Rule 42. Can anyone image what would have happened if it had been Ovi making that hit instead of Giroux?
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I haven’t really looked at the raw stats of the Capitals lately, instead delving more into the more telling metrics that have been developed, so I was really astonished to see how poorly this team is doing overall.
Knuble has 3 goals. Semin has 12. Brooks Laich has 9 goals and is a minus 10. They have one player with more than 15 goals. Joel Ward has 13 points.
What has happened here?
No fucking clue. How can the same guys that were so productive fall off so much unless they all suffer from amnesia? Mind boggling.
It seemed the same under BB as it is under DH (to the uneducated eye), so I would love for someone to give an answer. I don’t think the players themselves know what the hell is wrong.
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“I was surprised and disappointed. I didn’t anticipate he would be suspended for three games. We presented our case to the League yesterday and I thought we did real well,” McPhee said. “I was disappointed in the suspension because he is considered a repeat offender, and I don’t believe he should have been suspended in the past for at least one of those hits — the one in Chicago. He outweighed the player [then-Blackhawks defenseman Brian Campbell] by 50 pounds — that’s not his fault. There was a lot of grey area then, but I think we’ve cleaned up the grey and it is clear now what we’re trying to do. I think that was a factor in the decision and I don’t think it should have been.”
Thoughts on this quote from McPhee? I think someone mentioned this when he was suspended for this, that the worst part was that he’d be a repeat offender in the future and now… he is. I agree with McPhee, I think we’re getting screwed over.
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