Alex Ovechkin Suspended Three Games
by Becca H on Jan 23, 2012 6:29 PM EST
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Per TSN's Bob McKenzie, the NHL has suspended Alex Ovechkin three games for his hit on Zbynek Michalek in Sunday's game.
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The NHLPS wants to rebrand itself? Get rid of outcomes like these, where one player gets more discipline than another for a lesser offense. It also gives more support to the (increasingly obvious) notion that the NHL prefers, ahem, certain teams over others.
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by Penguin Hunter on Jan 23, 2012 10:24 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I hope this is one of the times when a non-suspension warrants a video. My assumption was 1 game for Michalek. I’ll go for no suspension *even if a warning and a fine (neither confirmed) over a 5 game suspension if I had to choose.
I’d add, I’m ok with 3 games for Ovechkin if Michalek had been suspended and in the context of the previous suspensions and fines Ovechkin has received, but I’m not a fan of the inconsistency on the same day. More than 3 and I’d really not get it, but in context I understand where they are coming from, especially seeing video in the official one, I did not see before (I watched the game but didn’t look at the videos people were posting.)
Again, I hope they make a video for the Michalek non-suspension.
0 on Michalek. The NHL tries to claim they’re protecting players heads, Michalek goes and cooks Hendricks and gets nothing. Fuck Shanahan, he’s fucking awful at his job, just like Campbell was.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Jan 23, 2012 6:40 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
After a strong start, he’s been just one disappointment after another. The Michalek decision is just icing on the shit cake.
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by Bald Pollack on Jan 23, 2012 11:10 PM EST up reply actions
Hey, it’s not his fault, that’s just where the Wheel of Arbitrary Justice stopped.
by marky narc on Jan 23, 2012 9:44 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Both are bad, but Bourque. Bourque and Bourque. Not for hindsight on the injury to Backstrom. Injury should not be penalized. That’s where you get gray area that players can not adjust to. CLEAR INTENT TO INJURE should be. That’s what Bourque did. That’s what Malkin tried to do to Giroux. Giroux sitting for less than 20 games, and Malkin sitting for less than 10 is the most asinine thing I have ever seen.
We saw Sutton get 8 games for leaving his feet, but the extra games for Sutton were likely because the head was TARGETED not just hit.
Remember, these decisions, including the Bourque one are coming from a guy who has a clear hatred for this team after ’06. We should expect no protection from this guy. He was a fool when he played and is just as much a fool now.
Caps upcoming schedule:
Tue, Jan 24 vs Boston
all star break
Tue, Jan 31 at Tampa Bay
Wed, Feb 1 at Florida
end of Ovechkin suspension
Sat, Feb 4 at Montreal 2:00
Sun, Feb 5 vs Boston 12:30
I bet Florida is pissed.
“Come see a medicore Caps squad, without Ovechkin or Backstrom!”
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No, Florida can market it as the “Battle for Supremacy in the Eastern Conference”. And the fans can think of it as their team’s Golden Opportunity to gain ground.
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That’s a zinger — on the state of Florida’s attendsnce.
But the Caps fans on their Florida vacation will still go. There’s this thing called nonrefundable airline tickets.
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Just what he needed as he was finally hitting his stride. Hopefully, he doesn’t come back neutered the way he did after the Campbell hit,
Rocky: I see three of him out there!
Paulie: Hit the one in the middle.
shit. didn’t even think of that
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by thebreakawaygoal on Jan 23, 2012 6:32 PM EST up reply actions
How can he not?
Repeat offender status is back.
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Shanny’s going to have to twist himself into some crazy knots to justify this
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Shanny says it’s charging. Four guys with striped shirts and years more experience at officiating said it wasn’t…
Makes ya think.
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jan 23, 2012 7:42 PM EST up reply actions
Makes ya think… how bad are the guys that were on the ice reffing?
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by Rob Parker on Jan 23, 2012 7:44 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
The quality of referees has gone down considerably when they went to the 2 referee system. If there was still only one ref, then half of these guys wouldn’t be NHL refs.
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jan 23, 2012 7:59 PM EST up reply actions
This is why ... oh, nevermind.
by Ahberg on Jan 23, 2012 8:04 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I try to be rational. I really do. I try to look at things without my Rock-the-Red Colored Glasses. But this one is very tough.
Ovechkin’s hit merits the same as Ference’s three games? No fucking way.
Michalek got right up and played the rest of the game. The hit started on the shoulder and moved up. Players leave their feet for checks daily.
Tin-foil assertion – this game isn’t on NBC on Sunday afternoon and there is no suspension.
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by STLSpidey on Jan 23, 2012 6:32 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
Seconded.
You had me at Ovechkin.
by norcalcapsfan on Jan 23, 2012 6:34 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Agree - Ovi: send a big "FU" to the league
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by ShootTheBullets on Jan 23, 2012 6:34 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, Tim Thomas that shit.
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Absolutely. I wonder if Wideman would consider it as well, as a show of support for his captain.
Failure is always an option.
Now that would be ballsy. Ovechkin sits out. Wideman sits out in protest.
Unfortunately, that’s not fair to Wideman, who has never been.
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on the one hand….yay, solidarity!
on the other……Dennis Wideman is probably never going to make another ASG team. He has every right to go and be honored and recognized for his season so far (even if that season makes me tear my hair out more often than not)
difficult situation for him.
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sure it is. Wideman can skip what is likely his only chance at the ASG as a show of solidarity against the NHL fucking a teammate. Or, he can go and have a particularly awkward situation not matter what decision Ovie makes on attending.
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by can't skate on Jan 23, 2012 7:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I suspect if Wideman offered to sit out, Ovechkin would tell him not to and go enjoy it.
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jan 23, 2012 7:44 PM EST up reply actions
Seems like that would send a much louder message to teammates than someone fighting a guy for a dirty hit in a previous game – but can’t hold it against Wides if he doesn’t sit out.
You had me at Ovechkin.
by norcalcapsfan on Jan 23, 2012 6:55 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Video:
http://video.nhl.com/videocenter/console?catid=60&id=151827
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Watch it. Highly recommended.
Key points:
1. Ovechkin launches himself into Michalek. He must control himself from that point forward.
2. Michalek makes no movement to put his head into the path of the elbow.
3. Ovechkin’s priors
4. Michalek wasn’t injured, which must be a mitigating factor.
The analysis is fair. We may not agree, but it’s fair and very, very, very clear. Kudos to Shanahan.
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4. Michalek wasn’t injured, which must be a mitigating factor.
I’d hate to see what he would have gotten if this wasn’t the case…
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by Scott in Shaw on Jan 23, 2012 6:39 PM EST up reply actions
Does he argue that the principal point of contact is the head? Or are all charging penalties from folks with “history” now 3 game suspensions?
No, league agrees that the shoulder was the principle point, but because Ovie “launches” himself the head was hit.
In other words hit directly to head OK but hit to shoulder then head 3 games. New Sheriff same wheel
He launched himself. Watch the Shanahan video, doesn’t talk of the target landing (& understands deviations to final result may occur).
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by Bald Pollack on Jan 23, 2012 6:47 PM EST up reply actions
From behind no less. Shanahan is as good at his job as Ted Bundy is at showing women a good time.
Once you take the fisting element out, it's not romantic anymore.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Jan 23, 2012 6:52 PM EST up reply actions
Shanny is going to have some explaining to do when something like this http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/highschool-prep-rally/days-player-paralyzed-another-minnesota-hockey-teen-hospitalized-160132176.html happens in the NHL and people point out the example he set today
Quite frankly, I have no problem with Ovi’s suspension although I don’t think he deserved three games but the league is obviously using this to send a message. My issue is with the fact that Michalek got nothing even though Michalek himself admited that he elbowed Hendricks because he was mad about Ovi’s hit. Are retaliatory elbows to the head acceptable to the NHL? The league’s inconsistency is what bothers me.
I know that I made a bad play and maybe I was still a little bit mad about the hit before.
Next shift I took a penalty. It was a good call. I elbowed the guy.
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retaliatory elbows are totally cool if you’re wearing the correct jersey.
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Looking at the video for the first time, I’d say the suspension is 100% justified. Ovie takes off, straight into Michalek’s head. Other players doing similar hits and getting away with it, however, bugs me, repeat offender status or not.
Makes me feel better about giving up my Bruins tickets, though.
Especially not when Michalek just went unpunished for a more dangerous hit.
Failure is always an option.
MIchalek wasn’t punished.
Bourque only got 4 for a much or blantant and dangerous play even after being fined earlier in the year.
These things make me frustraed and irritable.
Ovi shouldn’t have come off his feet though. Shit.
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I would say he definitely deserved a suspension for that hit. He’s a repeat offender and has been known for leaving his skates in the past. At some point this was going to catch up with him.
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I understand, but that hit was dangerous. I love Ovechkin and I love it when he lays huge hits. But he doesn’t need to leave his skates and that could have ended up a lot worse. I think we should all be thankful, even if it’s partially for Ovechkin’s sake, that Michalek wasn’t injured.
If I were Shanahan I would have given Ovechkin 2 or 3 and Michalek 1.
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by Laich Button on Jan 23, 2012 6:40 PM EST up reply actions
yes, leaving your feet can be dangerous. And I think things would sit a little easier if Michalek got the suspension he deserved. But it’s just impossible to decipher any kind of pattern in these suspensions. If they are looking for “head targeting” then Michalek deserves 5 games, easy. But apparently, today, unlike other days – they weren’t.
I agree. It’s definitely inconsistent and frustrating as a result. Fact of the matter is, Ovechkin earned a 3 game suspension at a really bad time – Our top 6 for the Boston game are 28, 85, 20, 21, 22, and (hopefully maybe) 90. Yuck.
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by Laich Button on Jan 23, 2012 6:56 PM EST up reply actions
technically under the terms of the CBA, he’s not a repeat offender.
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Furthermore, should “repeat offenses” that date back to Colin Campbell’s Reign of Terrible really count for establishing history?
They should count for whether or not one has a record as a dirty player. Just because they were likely punished improperly (and really, that hasn’t changed), doesn’t mean they weren’t dirty.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Jan 23, 2012 7:12 PM EST up reply actions
Should amount of time that has passed since last suspension be taken into greater consideration. It seems so long since his last suspension that it doesn’t seem reasonable to give them the weight Shanahan gave them.
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I think time should be taken into consideration; something along the lines of a gradient. X weight if it’s been 1 year, Y weight if it’s been 2, and Z weight if it’s been three. Obviously it’s not an exact science. But I think it should be considered.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Jan 23, 2012 7:28 PM EST up reply actions
I thought the same.
I think the players association should challenge if there is need to clarify that once repeat offender status is lifted for essentially ‘good behavior’, future punishment will still be based on crimes where time has already been served. At the very least a time limit for allowing previous infractions to be considered. Such a timeframe – even if such a thing already exists – wouldn’t necessarily be shorter than however long its been since his last suspension. But I’m not aware of any time restriction, and I think there should be one.
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by Icebat on Jan 23, 2012 10:23 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
part of me thinks that if the refs would actually make the calls they’re supposed to make—call all those slashes, the obstructions, the interferences, and everything else they’ve been letting go this season—players wouldn’t feel the need to take matters into their own hands. The officials have been shockingly hands off this season.
bruins players excepted because they’re just plain dirty.
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by RedBirdie on Jan 23, 2012 6:34 PM EST reply actions 6 recs
Never suggest I’m that whining POS again!
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by RedBirdie on Jan 23, 2012 7:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I have a feeling that this is a little bit of good ol BS asserting his dominance as the “new sheriff in town” – gives him a chance to show that it doesn’t matter who you are, if you screw up, you will get punished.
by JMurphyCSC on Jan 23, 2012 6:37 PM EST via mobile reply actions
If Tim Thomas is allowed to do this-
http://tracking.si.com/2012/01/23/tim-thomas-skips-white-house-visit-due-to-ideological-differences-with-obama-administration/?section=si_latest
Ovi should be able to skip the ASG. Wideman should consider developing a Lower/Upper/Psychological Body injury as well.
by ShootTheBullets on Jan 23, 2012 6:37 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
ASG is hockey related, white house isn’t. NHL is more likely to come down on Ovi for skipping (especially since they’ve established a precedent in that respect).
they’re going to look like absolute fools if they throw a hissy if Ovie skips out.
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I’m actually curious how they’d play it. He’s already missing his first game after the break. Can they mandate he miss any more? My guess is they can, since he doesn’t have a health reason for skipping and it would fall within his contractual obligations.
I’m actually of the opinion that he should not even be in the All Star Game anyway, if he’s suspended.
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Look like fools again you mean…
You had me at Ovechkin.
by norcalcapsfan on Jan 23, 2012 6:42 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Unless Thomas left his feet to take a run at the East Lawn, the two aren’t related.
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by Bald Pollack on Jan 23, 2012 6:41 PM EST up reply actions 10 recs
It’s an official Team/NHL appearance, as is the ASG.
by ShootTheBullets on Jan 23, 2012 6:43 PM EST up reply actions
No, no it’s not. It’s one thing for the League to name you for an ASG, it’s another when you’ve asked your GM in advance (months I think I read earlier) not going to a photo op and getting permission to.
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by Bald Pollack on Jan 23, 2012 6:52 PM EST up reply actions
It’s a team only, not NHL. The Bruins said they were fine with it – it’s got nothing to do with the NHL front office.
Failure is always an option.
The Bruins were fine with it because he’s their no 1 star. Still a major league dick move. Was everybody previously cool with GWB43? I used to root for the Bs if not playing the Caps but not while this dipshit is playing.
by ShootTheBullets on Jan 23, 2012 7:00 PM EST up reply actions
If they were really fine with it they wouldn’t have spent months trying to convince him otherwise.
Once you take the fisting element out, it's not romantic anymore.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Jan 23, 2012 7:01 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Shanahan can go fuck himself with a jackhammer. I was hoping he’d be better at this shit than Campbell. But it’s SSDD. The NHL is a fucking joke, and no other league tries harder to alienates their fans. Fuck the NHL admin in their stupid god damned faces. I hope they all get herpes and their sores get horribly infected and leave them scarred and disfigured for life.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Jan 23, 2012 6:38 PM EST reply actions 7 recs
Ya don’t have to sugar coat it for us.
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I wasn’t kidding azbout the surgery – that really hurt! No ASG.
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Gee whiz. That level of vitriol is totally unnecessary.
by DonnieKnutts on Jan 23, 2012 9:56 PM EST up reply actions
Gimme a break ... G Whiz
Gee whiz. That level of vitriolis totally unnecessary.
SME’s fanatically brilliant Let’s-Vent-Rant completely blew my mind away in a “double-rainbow-what-does-this-mean” fashion. So much so that I impulsively rec’d a vitriol laden comment, that’s offended others, green. Didn’t realize this was a G-rated blog.
Yeah. I totally effin’ blue it. Mea culpa.
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by Hang a Laingtern on Your Problems on Jan 23, 2012 11:38 PM EST up reply actions
Conspiracy theory: NHL waited until GMGM left Kettler to announce because he was really pissed when they told him on the phone and he was about to say some not nice things to the media.
not buying. GMGM probably said some seriously not nice things to the NHL, but he’s not foolish enough to say those to the media. That would involve telling us how he really feels and I’m not sure GMGM is capable of that.
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McPhee will say very little other than “Mr. Shanahan made his ruling, and the Washington Capitals will abide by that ruling.”
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Dunno when he left, but the team knew before it was released.
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by Bald Pollack on Jan 23, 2012 6:42 PM EST up reply actions
He came back to address the media, but then had to leave
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Considering these things are usually announced on drive time, I’d say you’re reaching.
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by Bald Pollack on Jan 23, 2012 6:49 PM EST up reply actions
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#Caps will host the Stanley Cup champs tomorrow night w/o the services of Nick Backstrom, Mike Green or Alex Ovechkin. Too easy, right?
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Calling this one a dynamite win. Ward with a hat trick and starting goalie with a shutout. Look back at the last time Ovi got suspended. Even the ticket takers had on their fucking rally caps.
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by Alz Well That Ends Well on Jan 23, 2012 6:40 PM EST up reply actions
With any luck at all, his coach- who knows a thing or two about getting suspended and playing under league scrutiny- can convince him to keep playing his game… maybe with a little tweak, like not leaving his skates when he throws a big hit.
Rocky: I see three of him out there!
Paulie: Hit the one in the middle.
To those who say Ovechkin should skip the All Star Game – I say no. That’s exactly what the anti-Ovechkin crowd wants him to do.
The right thing to do for Ovechkin is to say the following:
“I acknowledge that the hit on Michalek was reckless, and I understand why Mr. Shanahan found fault in the hit. While I disagree with the length of the suspension, I accept it. I am looking forward to returning after the three games and helping the Capitals towards the playoffs and the Stanley Cup. I also look forward to the All-Star Game and representing the Caps and Russia there. Hockey is the world’s greatest sport, and I love representing it to the fans.”
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Hopefully Slava or Dimitry ask him, because he ain’t sayin’ that in the Queen’s English.
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by Alz Well That Ends Well on Jan 23, 2012 6:42 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t think he should skip, but I do agree with those saying it will be uncomfortable for him and likely took a lot of the fun out of it for him.
It will be ridiculously uncomfortable for him. Then again, he made his bed . . . .
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If by “made his bed” you mean “didn’t put up All-Star numbers and got picked anyway.” At least half of the “bed” in this situation was made for him.
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by SmallZ827 on Jan 23, 2012 6:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If I heard a player had done something to warrant a three game suspension that crosses the all-star game, I would expect them to be barred from playing in it by the league.
1. I only saw the replay and it looked to me like a charge where the head was not the primary point of contact so I was surprised there was even a hearing.
2. What is the message if a player is not allowed to help his team but is expected to support the league?
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by Icebat on Jan 23, 2012 10:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
No ASG. Take another game – hell, take three more. Send a message to the ‘club.’
by Ahberg on Jan 23, 2012 6:47 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I hope he either skips (preferred) or goes to the ASG and fucks people up. Drilling guys playing at half speed, rifling pucks up high on goalies, take no prisoners. Just fucking abuse people.
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by Rob Parker on Jan 23, 2012 7:38 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Has a player ever been suspended while serving a suspension? Go for it.
by brs03 on Jan 23, 2012 7:39 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
A really dirty player would take the chance to get rid of the best players on the other team all at once.
Bwa ha ha hah ha! (evil laughter)
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Nice.
I wasn’t even really meaning anything dirty. I just know that all these guys are going to have their guard down, try fancy shit, and go half speed. Perfect setting to line them up legally. After about the first period I think the tone would change.
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If he blows somebody up, I doubt he gets another shift. Much as I’d love to see him lay Spezza on his ass in front of the home fans.
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Who is going to bench him? The coach? At an ASG? I think the players would say something to him before he got benched. More likely the opponents would just stop being so lackadaisical around him and the entire league would think he’s a huge dick.
Please, call me F&B.
Kind of like Timmy “good ol’ boy” Thomas.
Is there one person that is despised league-wide at the moment?
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There’s been a fight in the All-Star Game before…
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jan 23, 2012 7:48 PM EST up reply actions
It was in 1953:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7th_National_Hockey_League_All-Star_Game
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jan 23, 2012 8:06 PM EST up reply actions
Ah, I missed that. I was in Korea.
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by Rob Parker on Jan 23, 2012 8:07 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
It was 10 years before I was born, but the record is there. Red Kelly vs. Bert Olmstead. It really happened.
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jan 23, 2012 8:09 PM EST up reply actions
Haha. You’re old.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Jan 23, 2012 8:10 PM EST up reply actions
My balls have stirrups so they stay out of the terlet water.
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by Rob Parker on Jan 23, 2012 8:10 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I hope this was sarcasm. He’s in a damned if you do, damned if you don’t situation now. Show up and it’s a media circus. Don’t show up and it will be a circus about why he’s not there.
Screw the game. He’s supsended, and his suspension period covers the all-star break. Tough shit, NHL.
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I’m glad the NHL really cares about protecting heads and sent a message by suspending Michalek’s hit 3 games …. wait, what?
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Jan 23, 2012 6:41 PM EST reply actions
tweet it to Shanny and see if he responds.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Jan 23, 2012 6:44 PM EST up reply actions
I sent it. we’ll see if he responds (highly highly doubtful)
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Jan 23, 2012 7:21 PM EST up reply actions
I have no issue with the suspension in and of itself because I think it was a dangerous hit, but, as with everyone, my issue is that Michalek didn’t get anything for a similar hit.
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by hankthetank5503 on Jan 23, 2012 6:44 PM EST reply actions
That is my issue as well. It even sounds like Michalek’s hit may have even been worse. My husband looked at both the hits on You Tube and he says that Michalek’s hit was much worse. While Shanahan may be right in suspending Ovi, he did wrong by not suspending Michalek at all for a similar, if not worse hit.
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by Beakers Lab on Jan 23, 2012 6:44 PM EST reply actions 11 recs
Takeaway: You can drive a guy’s head into the boards with your forearm as long as your legs buckle at the time.
speaking of…..those are some might straight legs for someone who has legs that buckle when driving a guy’s head into the boards
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I think I saw that no suspension because Hendricks bent down, thus Michalek intended for the back, but got the head.
Of course, that would have been a hit in the back against the boards. Just sayin’
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by STLSpidey on Jan 23, 2012 6:46 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
agreed on that. I also think the sheer violence of Ovechkin’s hit—meaning, the impact was much stronger and visceral—made his offense look worse.
by DonnieKnutts on Jan 23, 2012 9:59 PM EST up reply actions
Grr. Any word why MIchalek’s hit wasn’t suspendable?
If this makes the fans nuts, I’m sure the players are also confused.
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Grr. Any word why MIchalek’s hit wasn’t suspendable?
Because Shanahan sucks at his job. And feasts on the heads of live babies in his free time. Probably.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Jan 23, 2012 7:16 PM EST up reply actions
I’m not willing to say Shanny is great at his job or sucks at his job, but I do admire what the league is trying to do with the videos explaining their methodology. It is some form of transparency, which is an advancement over the Campbell era.
I know you’re in reactionary mode and full of hate right now, but I can’t imagine a system that wouldn’t have its flaws. There will always be complaints. But I give credit to the league for at least attempting to improve. No matter what, people will complain.
by DonnieKnutts on Jan 23, 2012 10:01 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Can someone explain to me how driving your knee into something, straight on, can make it buckle without serious structural damage to it? I’m no doctor, but college anatomy tells me that doesn’t exactly work out
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by kschaeff on Jan 23, 2012 11:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Ovechkin gets three games, because he has an official history of hits…like this.
Michalek gets no time off because he has no official history of hits…like this.
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by ThePeerless on Jan 23, 2012 11:33 PM EST up reply actions
With any luck at all his coach who knows a thing or two about getting suspended & playing a rough style under league scrutiny can help him get through this and convince him to continue playing with that edge. Perhaps with a tweak- not leaving his skates when he throws a big hit.
Rocky: I see three of him out there!
Paulie: Hit the one in the middle.
Any chance that Hunter as coach is a factor? A message to not encourage the team to follow coach’s lead (as player.)
by kingbonehead on Jan 23, 2012 7:26 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I like that Vogs is tweeting that Ovi should skip ASG. Good for him.
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Ovechkin forfeits $154,677.75 for his 3 game suspension
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That’s cool, didn’t Rene Bourque forfeit just a piece of that for jeopardizing one of our best player’s season? Career?
Roman Hamrlik is so bad that I've forgotten how bad Jeff Schultz is.
He forfeited about double, because he’s a true repeat offender (so he lost money for every day he was off the roster, not just 5 days worth). Of course he makes about 40% of what Ovi does or whatever.
Really, Ovi is a “true” repeat offender too. Bourque is a repeat offender for purposes of calculating fines. Under the Shanahan regime, as in real life, the slate doesn’t get wiped clean if you behave for 18 months.
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by iwearstripes on Jan 23, 2012 6:56 PM EST up reply actions
“true” as in “legally applicable for purposes of calculating lost salary.”
Figured that was easy enough to infer but whatever.
That “true repeat offender” has worked it’s way into the lexicon bugs me. Nothing against you, of course.
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by iwearstripes on Jan 23, 2012 7:01 PM EST up reply actions
I’m pretty sure they fine the amount that the player would have made over that span. So 5 games of Bourque’s salary vs. 3 of Ovechkin’s.
True repeat offender status (susp. in last 18 months or whatever) changes that, too. Ovi loses 3 days worth of pay. Bourque lost quite a bit more, 5 games worth plus the amount covering every day between.
Ovi loses his pay for the “game days” he misses. Bourque lost his pay for every “duty day” he missed. Duty days are all days, games, practices, and days off, where a player would otherwise need to fulfill obligations to the team.
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by iwearstripes on Jan 23, 2012 6:58 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t think Shanahan isn’t doing any justice to himself by not explaining more why Michalek wasn’t suspended. If he would make similar video explaining why, I think it would help. We may not agree, but it’s a shame he hasn’t done that yet.
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because he knows it’s not explainable?
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by RedBirdie on Jan 23, 2012 6:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think there’ve been a few, but i have wet nails and don’t want to look.
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I’m not seeing them on Shanny’s twitter, but it’s very possible he doesn’t tweet the non-suspension videos.
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Just beat me to it. That was the only one I found on NHL.com. From October 3.
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Our nails dried. :-)
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Back on October 3rd when he didn’t think he was going to have to make so many of the things? Agree though, I would really love a Michalek explanation.
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Could be that they thought Hendricks went down and so Michalek couldn’t have known his head would be there.
Fuck the Pens.
Fuck Michalek.
Fuck Malkin.
Fuck Crosby.
Fuck Bylsma’s smug ass.
Fuck (insert name of your choice here)
How’s that for insightful and thoughful commentary?
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Very insightful. And the Penguins impress me as being a rather thuggy dirty team as well.
Don’t forget to add Orpik and Kunitz to your list up above.
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I really wish refs would take a little more notice of Orpik’s dirty stick work after the whistles. He’s sly about going for hands and wrists instead of crosschecking to the chest or facewashing like most guys do. He had a massive crosscheck to Ovi’s wrists in the last game. I think it was in the third. Semin took exception on the play.
When you need to lay down some law, bring out the Sasha.
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by caps&skins on Jan 23, 2012 7:30 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Orpik has had quite the track record of doing stuff to Sasha over the years. He is the main responsible for slashing Semin’s thumb back in the 2009 series (and also slashed his face as well, apparently.)
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Before this year, they made no videos at all. I praise Shanny for doing it. Shame he’s stopping here, when he knows what is begin said here and all over the Twitterverse.
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It’s a shame he’s awful at his job. If there were any other game in town I’d say “fuck you jerks, see you in hell” and go watch the WHA.
Once you take the fisting element out, it's not romantic anymore.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Jan 23, 2012 6:51 PM EST up reply actions
Because the KHL is such a good example of a well run league.
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by Bman21212 on Jan 23, 2012 8:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
How often does Shanahan makes videos for questionable calls that result in no suspension or fine?
by Rather Bengt on Jan 23, 2012 6:52 PM EST up reply actions
Hey Northerner. What’s the read on the pundits up there? Saying what we’re saying about Michalek?
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To be honest, I haven’t really bothered looking into it as I just got back from work.
by Rather Bengt on Jan 23, 2012 6:55 PM EST up reply actions
I had to drop by the NHL studio to record my video for the Ovechkin suspension.
by Rather Bengt on Jan 23, 2012 8:25 PM EST up reply actions
wait. you like Canadians?
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If Michalek got 0, Ovie should get 1…I would have been fine with 2 for Ovie and 1 for Michalek. 3 and 0 is the league saying it’s Ovechkin, and we’re making an example.
No one should be surprised, we deal with it and move on.
Everything ends badly...otherwise it wouldn't end.
If Michalek got 0, Ovechkin should have gotten -1. Michalek’s hit is worse and more dangerous 10 times out of 10. It’s an absolute travesty that Shanahan let that go without anything. That wanker can eat a bag of dicks.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Jan 23, 2012 6:56 PM EST up reply actions
As has been stated, he’s technically not a repeat offender (though history matters). And regardless of that, Michalek’s hit was so much worse.
Once you take the fisting element out, it's not romantic anymore.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Jan 23, 2012 7:59 PM EST up reply actions
Adversity/Chicanery
Just add OV to the list—sounds like a glorious opportunity for a gut-checking, bitch-slapping Bruin beating… And Michalek laces ’em up Wednesday night: what a farce.
Shanahan Justice:
Ovie gets to pay for Steckel’s hit on Crosby. On Shanahan’s frontier, we still owe him some.
Yeah, no.
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by Bald Pollack on Jan 23, 2012 7:02 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
we don’t hate without good reason. he earned it with his decisions today.
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…can you stop, please? Add something to the discussion or don’t comment.
The definition of being a Caps fan is watching the same team over and over and expecting different results.
Hah, this is the comment in this thread that brings this out?
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To be fair, I haven’t read all of them :P I just get annoyed with misspelled words and internet abbreviations on here. Especially right now when I’m pissy.
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Smoke a bolw and clam down, brosephina.
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by Rob Parker on Jan 23, 2012 7:47 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
You clam down. Don’t tell her to clam down. Becca – I got your bakc girlfiend.
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Aww. I’ve been off the radar (vacation), check in to discover that the Caps are in a shit-load of trouble when they face the Bruins (glad I sold those tickets) sans the big guns except for shy Sasha (haven’t an educated opinion since I haven’t seen the relevant hits but am pissed anyway since Ovi wouldn’t haven’t a record if it weren’t for the brain numbing Ovi suspensions two seasons ago, one for could have injured and the second because did injure), and am therefore feeling really angry when I should be feeling the zen of being in warm weather while you guys suffered ice as I read the whys and wherefores of Ovi’s new suspension special only for him, and then I get to this thread bit. And remember why I come here first to read. How can I be cranky. I get it all—from calm logic to rabid tinfoil hat time. And so much of the funny.
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by capsyoungguns on Jan 23, 2012 8:46 PM EST up reply actions
i’m fine, thanks
i’ve been impressed with shanahan in his role to date, particularly the video explanations. no other professional league — especially the NFL, whose officials seem to make the most grievous errors — offer such a service. like spidey said above shanny explained himself very well, as he always does.
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Tomorrow night versus the B’s?
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I’d rather see 28-85-22 and 21-90-20. Or swap 20 and 22. This is going to be interesting.
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by Laich Button on Jan 23, 2012 7:04 PM EST up reply actions
I went back and looked at tweets from this morning. It should be:
28-85-90
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83-50-42
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It’s picking a nit but I’d switch 83 and 50. I’d like to switch 26 and 22, but then the 3rd line is nothing and we’ve only got two lines that even remotely resemble lines. This is the best you can do, I think.
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Or we could argue that the 4th line is nothing, as well.
Our 1st line is a 2nd line
Our 2nd line should be a 3rd and checking line
Our 3rd line should be a 4th and energy line
Our 4th line should be in the AHL.
Okay, that’s an exaggeration as some of the people fit the lines they’re assigned to. But many of them don’t
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Or we could argue that the 4th line is nothing, as well.
The 3rd line is nothing and we’ve only got two lines that even remotely resemble lines.
I know that implication and inference don’t exist in your world, but I already said that.
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by SmallZ827 on Jan 23, 2012 7:33 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You said the third line is nothing. While I said the 4th line is nothing.
Well, twice nothing is still nothing.
It’s a sad commentary on our lines, in any case.
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I’d post a picture of what that line-up looks like, but it would probably harm the delicate sensibilities of the members of the Rink.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Jan 23, 2012 7:01 PM EST up reply actions
Pathetic. Missing 3 of their 4 best players this Caps team is a bunch of grinders and AHL players. Pathetic.
Please, call me F&B.
Weren’t they supposed to have depth or something?
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Jan 23, 2012 7:55 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah I was being sarcastic and there’s pretty clearly a shot at someone in there…
Just assume everything I say in this thread is jokes unless Spidey calls me out for being serious.
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That a grievance could be filed against the NHL for the semantics of their ruling on Ovie. They say in the vid that they took his “priors” under consideration, while, under the CBA, they shouldn’t matter.
Just look at the precedent they’ve set for “Charging”. Remember the Raffi Torres hit?
http://video.nhl.com/videocenter/console?id=146713
He hit Eberle for a four game suspension, hit Seabrook in the head during the conference finals, and had 3 straight games of questionable hits leading up to this game all prior to this ruling.
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another fine example of Shanahan’s outstanding job of leading the Department of Player Safety
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I should say, Torres had a much more recent and offensive past than Ovie; yet, received 1 less day as punishment. If i can put all of this together, Shanahan and his boys should be able to
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the Torres one burned me up because he got off so easy for a series—and he was even warned the very day of the last hit to stop deliberately targeting people!—of dangerous plays. Which only fuels my anger over this Ovechkin suspension.
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Rene had a 2 gamer like a month before. Is what AO did and what Rene did really a 2 game difference?
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got a link to Rene’s previous suspension (the 2 gamer?). But, man, I’d love to get suspended for two games, come back a month later and instinctually elbow a guy in the forehead and only miss 5 games.
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Can you believe it? It’s like Ovi had a suspension last week.
Maddening.
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That’s what it sounds like. There seems to be no statute of limitations when considering a player a “repeat” offender. So if Ovi is clean for the next, say 5, years and does something, we can expect a 5 gamer and in person?
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It was a hit on Seabrook, and it was a tougher call because there was an official in the middle that made the hit worse, IINM.
Bourque looked like he targeted Seabrook to me. viciously.
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how an Shanny give just 5 then? or just 2 for that?
wtf. my head is spinning.
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Time for a new Flow chart of Discipline.
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WE READ IT THE FIRST TWO TIMES. IT WASN’T PARTICULARLY FUNNY OR INSIGHTFUL THEN.
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by SmallZ827 on Jan 23, 2012 8:40 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
jesus. monster hit.
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I can’t stop watching it. I know, I know, these hits can and do cause injuries and that one probably should have been a penalty because I don’t think the puck was any where near Bourque…..but fuck it, let’s watch it again!
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Somewhat off-topic
But since it was mentioned…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3Gvfr9GUC0
it is the best clean hockey hit I have ever seen. The key word being ‘clean’. If you watch the video, Campbell’s feet do leave the ice at impact, as I have seen Ovie’s do before. This time, Ovie I think mistimed his surge, really. He had that upward surge when he hit Ruutu as well, but he didn’t surge upward until contact. On this one, he pushed too early and got airborne before contact.
What bothered me was the assertion that ‘because he left his feet, it was charging’ and because he charged, he is responsible for where the blow lands, and part of it landed on Michalek’s head. I get that. But wouldn’t the same apply on boarding? Because Michalek boarded Hendricks, shouldn’t he be responsible for driving Hendrick’s head into the boards?
That, and the fact that apparently the statute of limitations on supplementary discipline is eternal. If the reason Micchalek was not suspended and Ovie was is because of ‘repeat offender’ status, according to the CBA Ovie should be no more repeat offender than Michalek. As I understand it.
But yeah… if you run someone over when fleeing from police, it’s much worse than running someone over accidently while driving around. That was the analogy I got from Shanahan’s explanation… that because Ovie was commiting an (uncalled on-ice) infraction, and contacted the head, it is worse than contacting the head incidentally. But Michalek was commiting a (called on-ice) infraction at the time his forearm slammed Hendrick’s head into the glass. At the least, should be similar penalties.
I don't know, maybe it was the roses...
by Jalabar on Jan 23, 2012 10:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
who has ruined more careers, Pronger or Cooke?
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you mean besides Mike Green? Marc Savard would say hi, but he can’t quite remember if he played hockey. :)
being snarky. it’s late, I think I’ve exhausted the number of ways I can describe the Shanny non-decisions/decision today, and I’m all out of creative ways to call you a giant prick I’d happily share a beer with without actually calling you a giant prick I’d happily share a beer with.
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im bringing it up in the context of “prior offenses”
Raffi Torres has tons of them. Unofficial and official.
Ovechkin doesn’t; yet, has a longer suspension.
It is what it is, and the NHL safety office got it wrong
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but seriously, i can never catch the snark. . . its my only flaw
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Well I refuse to tip it. Can I say something that makes someone think I’m, frankly, a prick and then cure it all with a smiley face? Tee hee cute dimples.
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by Rob Parker on Jan 23, 2012 8:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Hey, according to Timmy T, this is a free country. You’re more than welcome to do as you please. . . .but i may have misdirected angst for any snark i dont understand
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Hah. I thought about posting in the clips that debating with you is like catching a tiger by the tail. Expect some claw marks if one isn’t prepared to make a good counter argument and is overly sensitive. Prick—no. A “take no prisoners” debater—absofuckinglutely.
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by capsyoungguns on Jan 23, 2012 9:02 PM EST up reply actions
Ha, thanks. I understand why some people think I’m a prick but I also think those people take me more seriously than I really am.
Please, call me F&B.
Naw. You’re just a prick.
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because those tend to be the same people who think every opinion is supposed to be valued equally—no, everyone can have an opinion, but those that can’t back theirs up deserve to get called out. Their widdle feewings get hurt because they can’t handle the slightest bit of intellectual rigor. That you’re not afraid to call people lazy or idiots makes you an easy target for their ire.
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And I’m the prick.
I was going to say “I’m pretty sure even people that disagree with me, like RedBirdie, still like me” but now I’m not sure what kind of endorsement that is.
Please, call me F&B.
hey, everyone knows I’m a raging bitch.
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You say that “everyone can have an opinion.” You say “their widdle feewings get hurt.” But can you back that up?
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don’t make me elbow you in the head for disagreeing with me!
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You’re welcome. Seriously.
I think you have a sharp tongue—or fingers—but wit is something I enjoy. And if I am at the receiving end then I need to figure out why and make a good rejoinder.
I may think twice about engaging with you directly—starting with “is my skin thick enough today” and ending with “do I have the time to finish the argument”—but I thoroughly enjoy reading your arguments. I learn a lot from the dialogue (I love it when you and Doh’boy get into it). You are a hell of a good debater. It’s a lost art in this era of the thin skin. Besides, there’s no winning an argument with a prick!
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by capsyoungguns on Jan 23, 2012 10:03 PM EST up reply actions
On the plus side, isn’t it fun to be able to have an “NHL is out to get us” feeling again, rather than a “my god we suck” feeling?
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That earned rec from me for mindset change.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Jan 23, 2012 7:07 PM EST up reply actions
I think the case of pink-eye I have is impacting my brain.
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Did you get it from Scott Baio?
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Jan 23, 2012 7:11 PM EST up reply actions
Scott Baio has pink-eye as well? Cool.
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jan 23, 2012 7:51 PM EST up reply actions
I’ve been informed that the only team the NHL is out to get is the Red Wings. We’re just a bunch of whiners.
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by RedBirdie on Jan 23, 2012 7:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Reliably informed.
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clearly buckled
his knees, they buckled so much he stood up taller
by Beakers Lab on Jan 23, 2012 7:02 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
which pixel is hendricks
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by Big Boutros on Jan 23, 2012 7:03 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
It’s photoshopped. I can tell by some of the pixels and having seen a few shops in my day.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Jan 23, 2012 7:05 PM EST up reply actions 10 recs
Not sure if you are serious or not here, but I think he may have. He made a point in the Ovi video of saying that Michalek didn’t move. He may have ruled that Hendricks bent into the elbow.
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Oh that makes sense. Then it’s just a blatant dangerous hit from behind instead of a blatant dangerous hit from behind AND a forearm shiver to the back of the head. I change my mind about Michalek deserving a suspension.
Release the Mackan!
by Killer_Carlson on Jan 23, 2012 10:14 PM EST up reply actions
It was kind of a pick your penalty situation. If it’s not elbowing, it’s a check to the head. If the arm hits the back, maybe it’s still elbowing (but doubtful)? If the arm is completely down, it’s possibly still checking from behind or maybe charging. In game, it didn’t look that violent compared to some hits. Dirty hit, nonetheless. Calling elbowing allows ref a 2-min minor instead of an automatic major for some of the other fouls. That maybe makes sense at game speed. With benefit of review, though, should at least be a fine or 1-game suspension.
Can you even fathom the suspension Ovi would have gotten if he had hit Michalek the way Michalek hit Hendricks? 10 game minimum.
Matty did a fine job centering Sasha and Sasha just yesterday, no reason he can’t do so with Mojo on his wing.
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Well, that line just lost its driver and gained an anchor. I don’t expect similar results (though not really because of Perreault).
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I’m looking forward to seeing what this team is made of. I bet McPhee is too.
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“Looking forward to” may not accurately describe it, for me, but tomorrow’s game should definitely be interesting.
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No, I think I’m actually looking forward to it. No more waiting for the young guns to take over the game. And Sasha flying solo for the first time ever.
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You’ve more optimism than I, it would seem. I’ll still be there.
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I’ll be at the game, too. At least the odds for the Caps winning are better than the odds of my daughter’s old high school swim team beating the Good Counsel Falcons. (And I actually witnessed that particular event happen once during hie HS swim career.)
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I want a picture of Alex Mike and Nick in the press box. That would be awesome.
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Do suspended players get to sit in the press box?
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I thought they could sit in the press box. So we get to see Green, Schultz, Ovi, and Nicky all in the press box. Provided Nicky is well enough to even attend the game, which he hasn’t been lately.
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The entire first round draft class of 2004! Stellar.
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Although Sasha has actually gotten goals against Tim Thomas during his career. Last year wasn’t a good year for the Caps against the Bruins. But previous years they’ve done well against them, including the good Bruins team of 2008-2009. The Caps won 3 low scoring games against them that year, with points from Sasha. And Sasha did well against them in 2009-2010.
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Not me. Bruins-loving family coming with me. Going to have to heavily self medicate.
I have declared our seats a Tim Thomas free zone, as part of my Queen of friggin’ Universe powers.
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by RedBirdie on Jan 23, 2012 7:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Seconded. Looking forward to what the “younger” guns are made of, how much cajones and leadership the vets really have and who will step up. Sasha flying solo and whether he delivers or not while doing so will be a good pulse check on his real trade value at the moment with the deadline looming. Yeah. I’m looking forward to it.
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by TheFuryUnleashed on Jan 23, 2012 7:43 PM EST up reply actions
Time for Alex to stop shaving.
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Would that be classified as an “upper body injury” or a “lower body injury”?
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jan 23, 2012 7:53 PM EST up reply actions
Total b.s. But hey – ain’t no thang! Skip Ottawa and get a tan. No Crosby and No Ovechkin in the All Star game ought to make for some great ratings.
All Black Hole Game
or maybe
All Gaseous Nebula Game.
Come one. Come Some.
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But … Kris Letang! Who obviously stole James Neal’s spot.
Which begs an interesting question – who get nominated to take Alex’s spot if he declines?
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just put the whole Ottawa team in and call it a day.
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Ovi releases his statement.
“I believe the Department of Player Safety has grown out of control, threatening the Rights, Liberties, and Property of the Players.
This is being done at the Executive, Legislative, and Judicial level. This is in direct opposition to the Rulebook and the Founding Fathers vision for the NHL.
Because I believe this, this week I will exercised my right as a Free Citizen, and will not visit Ottawa or participate in the All Star Game. This was not about Shanahan or Bettman, as in my opinion both parties are responsible for the situation we are in as a league. This was about a choice I had to make as an INDIVIDUAL.
Oh wait, that’s what Tim Thomas just said – with minor adjustments.
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by Edanger6 on Jan 23, 2012 7:18 PM EST reply actions 12 recs
Ovie’s hit was not 3-game suspension worthy. It is excessive, even with his priors which are over a season and a half ago. I can’t shake the feeling that he’s being used again as the “see we hold stars accountable too” example. Ovie is a cleaner player than several other top players who have never been held responsible the way he has. It is past time to call others on their questionable and dirty plays. People’s perception of Ovie is so skewed that I don’t feel he gets a fair shake. Look how quickly the “Ovie is dirty” faction raised their cries again and bloggers slanted their narratives.
The decision is more egregious in light of absolutely nothing for Michalek. If you aren’t called to account, then you are never going to have priors. That is unfair.
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by oldemystix on Jan 23, 2012 7:18 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
This sounds depressingly similar to the complaints that existed about Campbell. I was hoping this bullshit wouldn’t plague the discipline process. But it turns out Shanahan is just as bad at the job as Campbell is.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Jan 23, 2012 7:20 PM EST up reply actions
At what point, when it becomes apparent that every ref and NHL disciplinarian sucks at his job, do we think that the rulebook is not written particularly well? I have a hard time believing that anyone who dons the stripes or steps into a disciplinary role suddenly loses all capacity to reason.
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Or perhaps it’s just too difficult for someone who is so closely married to the game (which any person who is in the position will be) to act alone and impartially.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Jan 23, 2012 7:23 PM EST up reply actions
The implication being that suspensions shouldn’t be decided solo? What’s the alternative?
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I like Wyshynski’s (I think) idea of a tribunal style panel with representatives from various factions. Would probably be too slow though.
This is what I’d like to see. I think it could be decided in proper time. And even if it took an extra day (when schedule allows), I’d rather they take the time and get it right if the other option is Shanahan just says “LOOK WHAT I CAN DO!!!!!” and fucks everything up.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Jan 23, 2012 7:30 PM EST up reply actions
The decision is more egregious in light of absolutely nothing for Michalek. If you aren’t called to account, then you are never going to have priors. That is unfair.
Agree completely. Letting Michalek get away with that without any discipline is BS for exactly this reason. Otherwise, the discipline system separates players into “clean” players and “dirty” players with very little ability for a player to change their status.
by brooksengr on Jan 23, 2012 7:23 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
“Greg? Hey son, I was able to get Shanny to suspend him for your game tomorrow night, but NBC stepped in and demanded him be present for the Sunday game in two weeks.”
“This is just like 2009 when I was with the Panthers. Thanks for your help, Dad.”
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by bagace on Jan 23, 2012 7:19 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
#FREE OVI!!!!!
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Trade Him to Montreal!!
Isn’t that what happens to repeat offenders these days?
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by Icebat on Jan 23, 2012 10:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
With Ovechkin out and Crosby becoming a distant memory, it seem the NHL is hoping Malkin stirs the hopes and dreams of all the youngsters.
He ain’t no Great 8 though.
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Has anyone tweeted their displeasure to Shanny? It probably would fall on deaf ears, I’m just curious.
by RossingtonCollins on Jan 23, 2012 7:28 PM EST reply actions
Several times including telling him that letting Michalek get away with it as a road to this http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/highschool-prep-rally/days-player-paralyzed-another-minnesota-hockey-teen-hospitalized-160132176.html happening in the NHL and it being on him when it does.
Meh. It’s a bit on the high side, given that Michalek wasn’t injured, but I don’t think it warrants getting one’s knickers in a twist.
Unleash the Apathy.
After a while being pissed I now think the same. 3 seems like a lot but since I expected 2 it’s not that unreasonable.
by kingbonehead on Jan 23, 2012 7:34 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Full agreement. Sometimes the conversations in here disappoint me, frankly.
by DonnieKnutts on Jan 23, 2012 10:09 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed as well, I think Ovie pretty much deserved what he got in this case. Though I do agree that Michalek getting off scot-free is a little bit BS.
by Murshawursha on Jan 23, 2012 10:42 PM EST up reply actions
Don’t really care about AO getting suspended, but to not suspend Michalek at the same time is just the same old inconsistent bullshit from the Campbell regime. I had such fucking hopes for Shanahan.
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by Killer_Carlson on Jan 23, 2012 10:22 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Well this is just great. Now we get to have scarred to hit anyone Ovi for the next season and a half again. Coupled with his not scoring like he used to, we’ve lots to look forward to. Yay.
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by Prongfan on Jan 23, 2012 7:33 PM EST via mobile reply actions
So now it will take him 30 months to get over this one. (I increase the time to be commensurate with his increased suspension length.)
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Maybe watching from the up high the next three game will illustrate to ovechkin the mess this team has become. Sure, watching video is supposed to accomplish this, but maybe watching in real time without knowing the outcome drives it home a little better than zoning out in the video room as you roll your eyes at the coaches
OT but..
Anyone know why “Z” would not work anymore? Browser settings? Hard to keep up otherwise.
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sometimes works for me in IE. Now working in FF.
Thank you for the response though. All was fine until I did some virus removal, etc.
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If Tom Green says, “Unleash the fury,” who says unleash the apathy?
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ouch
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when you’ve been one long enough, you just kinda accept it … it’s like being numb.
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It’s a sad state of affairs, being a Caps’ “fan” these day. Truthfully, what’s really sad is the little boy in me, the “fan”, that first watched the Caps in ’83 and on is feeling let and resigned to defeat. Cut him a little slack, would you?
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I definitely understand. I’ve only been a fan for 5 years really. . .so i guess i dont have the place to call anyone a “fan”. I just like to stay optimistic. I feel like, as fans, it’s the only thing we can do for a sport in which 29/30 teams never achieve vindication.
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But to be a fanatic is to go through the ups, downs and all the roller coaster ride of emotions that go along with following a sports team. I’d like to think I’m a little bit on the optimistic side, though barely. Actually … maybe that’s not an accurate description. The truth is I have my moments of optimism.
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Hey, the word “apathy” means indifference. A fan of a team isnt someone who feels indifferent towards them.
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Appreciate the reminder to include the quotation marks in my sig. Last I checked, indifference is a synonym of apathy. The definition of apathy is (a) absence or suppression of passion, emotion, or excitement (b) lack of interest in or concern for things that others find moving or exciting.
To clarify, I’m using the word apathy in the context of how psychiatrists study apathy and it’s relationship to depression. Don’t get me wrong I’m not depressed or anything, because that is a very real condition and something to be taken seriously. But my point is psychiatrists talk about that mental state where one gets a sense that “nothing matters.”
I suppose my “mental state” as a Caps’ “fan”, at the moment given the expectations I had at the beginning of the season, can be described as having apathy. If only temporary. It’s hard to think all the whoopin’ and hollerin’ at the TV going on while playing a little bit of miniature hockey with my nephew during yesterday’s tilt would be described as indifference.
Just venting. That’s all.
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I suppose my "mental state" as a Caps’ "fan", at the moment given the expectations I had at the beginning of the season, can be described as having apathy.
I feel the same way; but, im hopeful that they’ll turn it around and/or get lucky in the postseason (as many teams do. . .and seemingly always against the Caps)
We’ll go with the quotation marks for now, then, when you’re feeling more fanatic about the team, you should take them off. . .or take them off whenever you feel like cause you dont have to listen to me lol
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Just messin’ with you. I’ll have my moments of optimism and moments of pessimism, however misguided they are. Plenty of season left, for sure.
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Maybe McPhee trades for Cam Janssen and Zac Rinaldo just for shits and giggles and lets little Cammy and Zacky out to break Randy Holt’s record tomorrow night. Take that Shanahan!!
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The Caps season is lost. I can already tell STL is the team to root for so I blue myself early this year.
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by Rob Parker on Jan 23, 2012 7:52 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
So you’re joining me in singing the Blues about my Western Conference rooting interest. Well, the Blues were my original favorite team before the Caps came into existence.
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by STLSpidey on Jan 23, 2012 7:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jan 23, 2012 7:56 PM EST up reply actions
If I did my math right, the Caps will likely have a little more than $24 million (against a $64 million cap) of players sitting in the press box tomorrow night.
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I was wondering the same thing. Using the forward line-ups posted above, and on defense 6, 27, 74, 44, 81, 4, plus 55 as a scratch, the total cap hit for this line-up is: $42,018,611
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Yep, and excluding Poti.
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by Bald Pollack on Jan 23, 2012 7:52 PM EST up reply actions
Caps will likely have a little more than $24 million (against a $64 million cap) of players sitting in the press box tomorrow night.
Extra cheese on the nachos!
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by caps&skins on Jan 23, 2012 7:56 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
A few thoughts
1) At first, I wasn’t sold on the suspension; but, after watching the video Ovechkin leaving his feet seems to directly result in the contact with the head. That’s definitely suspension worthy.
2) There’s a big difference between leaping into a hit and leaving your feet. Unfortunately, Ovechkin jumped a bit early and left his feet rather than leaped into Michalek. For those comparing this hit to others in the same vein, i would definitely consider that difference.
3) Just as Shanahan’s video cleared things up for me concerning the Ovechkin hit, I would hope his explanation as to why he didnt suspend Michalek would do the same. That being said, I’m pretty doubtful he could convince me that a clear hit to the head, with the elbow, while also boaring a player, is not worthy of a suspension.
4) I really hope Ovechkin doesn’t come out of this suspension the same way he came out of his suspension after hitting Campbell.
5) I would hope GMGM files a grievance over this suspension. Ovechkin is NOT a repeat offender under the rules of the CBA so factoring his prior suspensions shouldn’t be a factor in the ruling. A suspension of 1-2 games would have been much more appropriate.
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For technicalities, I think the NHLPA would have to file a grievance, not the team, right?
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There’s no victim here in that context. Hendricks cannot file an appeal to Michalek’s non-suspension.
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by Killer_Carlson on Jan 23, 2012 10:25 PM EST up reply actions
He’s been due a suspension for a while. Rather surprised to see people wearing such oversized red blinders.
Saying “due a suspension” makes it sound like there’s an agenda rather than actual judgement about the actions.
Which, given the non-suspension of Michalek, might actually explain it /tinfoilhat’d
Oh I don’t think he got more than he deserved, I’m saying he’s lucky to have gone so long without being suspended. The 3 game number seems fair, especially for the damage he could have done. Michalek’s hit is a completely separate issue and has no bearing on this judgement.
I know the NHL likes to pretend that all discipline reviews happen in a vacuum, but the fact is, they do not. Past precedent is incredibly important. For the NHL to say, today, that an elbow to the head is not suspendable act, and then turn around and essentially toss the book at a non-elbow charging hit is inexplicable. Next time a guy uses his elbow and forearm to shove a defenseless player into the boards, all they have to do is say “But you said it’s not illegal! Just look at your very own Michalek ruling!”
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by RedBirdie on Jan 23, 2012 8:17 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Thank you, Abelard.
Once you take the fisting element out, it's not romantic anymore.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Jan 23, 2012 8:18 PM EST up reply actions
Though at the same time they show that precedent doesn’t mean jack shit.
Once you take the fisting element out, it's not romantic anymore.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Jan 23, 2012 8:21 PM EST up reply actions
that’s because they’re a bunch of brain-dead dickslappers. Which is insulting to brain-dead dickslappers everywhere, so I apologize.
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by RedBirdie on Jan 23, 2012 8:22 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Couldn’t have said it better.
Once you take the fisting element out, it's not romantic anymore.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Jan 23, 2012 8:24 PM EST up reply actions
He’s been due a suspension for a while.
Really – name all the other hits for which he should have been suspended? Do you have a list?
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Maybe he’s an expert.
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by Rob Parker on Jan 23, 2012 8:00 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
No, sorry, I wasn’t maintaining a list to bring a counter argument for today. It isn’t terribly difficult to watch him jumping into players on the boards.
But you can’t just jump in to say he’s due a suspension without some foundation. There is a shitload of respect here for all types of opinions, if they are supported by some fact.
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I can’t offer links as they didn’t make news. He obviously wasn’t suspended so there’s nothing to link to. I’m definitely not rewatching the past season and a half and recording questionable hits just to have a debate on the internet. It boils down to this: I believe that his his are frequently… spirited… and cross a line that could be deemed suspendable. He’s left his feet before, he’ll do it again.
Maybe I should ask some fanatic Pens fan for some links, I’m sure they could give us their usual speech.
Don’t need to provide links. Just examples of when he left his feet as he made a hit that are suspension worthy. I really don’t recall any. Your comment is just like anyone saying “you always do that.” Too vague to be worthwhile.
In fact from my perspective Ovi has been relatively cautious with his physicality, especially last season. He hasn’t been riding that line of recklessness that use to characterize his big hits since his last suspension, and in fact I’ve seen him pull out of a number of hits whenever he’s close to the boards. Frankly the one thing I’ve been happy to see since Hunter took over is an increase in his physicality. And I hope he continues. That line between reckless and just hard is one he should continue to ride, and hopefully stay on the side of the angels more often than not. A tame Ovi is an ineffective Ovi.
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by capsyoungguns on Jan 23, 2012 9:31 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I’ve seen the same things out of Ovie, but you said it better. He has backed off from checks and thrown less thundering checks since his last suspension. Too many times he has peeled away from a player, gun shy, leaving the the player uncontested. The past two months he was starting to increase his physicality again while hitting smarter. One infraction and he gets to book thrown at him again.
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Maybe I should ask some fanatic Pens fan for some links, I’m sure they could give us their usual speech.
Back up your own statements. Don’t drag us into this.
by PensAreYourDaddy on Jan 24, 2012 12:20 AM EST up reply actions 7 recs
I’m completely speechless except for all the curses im uttering.
Un-fucking-believable. Backstrom gets concussed is still out and borque a known dirty player only got 5 games. Not to mention the blatant disregard for Michalek’s elbow in the same game.
#tinfoilhat, backstrom gets concussed, green perpetually injured from players constantly running/head huntign him, and they suspend ovi over imo what should of been a charging penalty on ice and nothing more someone is clearly trying to screw the caps out of the playoffs.
Bruce Boudreau when asked about Brooks Laich's return to the lineup, he said: "He just adds another dimension to our team. If it was puzzle, he just fits that thing. He completes us."
Brooks Laich completing everything from teams to tires and everything in between.
I’m usually the first one in on conspiracies, but I doubt the NHL would prefer Florida over the Caps in the playoffs.
Well the conspiracy thing is more of pointing out a coincidence because I really don’t think the NHL plays favorites in these matters (other than for the Bruins, yep I said it).
Bruce Boudreau when asked about Brooks Laich's return to the lineup, he said: "He just adds another dimension to our team. If it was puzzle, he just fits that thing. He completes us."
Brooks Laich completing everything from teams to tires and everything in between.
What about playing favorites, as in the Penguins, as well.
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Nah, if they were they would of suspended Steckel indefinitely like 5 games for the Crosby fiasco. I’m more so referencing the letters that were published a while ago now involving top league officials screaming at refs for non-calls on certain…cough…players they are related to.
Bruce Boudreau when asked about Brooks Laich's return to the lineup, he said: "He just adds another dimension to our team. If it was puzzle, he just fits that thing. He completes us."
Brooks Laich completing everything from teams to tires and everything in between.
Except Steckel’s hit was accidental.
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Yeah, I’m saying that if the league was playing favorites they would of suspended him even though it was an accident because people were near rioting over it (and still vehemently argue otherwise)
But really I’m more PO’d about this being like the one week every 2 months I get to be home in time for Caps games and almost all of our best players are MIA for various reasons.
Bruce Boudreau when asked about Brooks Laich's return to the lineup, he said: "He just adds another dimension to our team. If it was puzzle, he just fits that thing. He completes us."
Brooks Laich completing everything from teams to tires and everything in between.
I’m trying to think of how many Pens have been suspended in the last 2 years besides Cooke and it took a while to suspend him.
I’ll admit I’m more PO’d because MIchalek’s hit was even worse in the opinion of many and he got nada.
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Wasn’t Letang suspended earlier this season?
by RossingtonCollins on Jan 23, 2012 9:06 PM EST up reply actions
Him (2 games) and Engelland (3 games). Great list here http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/showthread.php?t=992217
Considering it was Hedman’s hit (boarding) that really put Crosby out – suspending Steckel for the accidental hit would make the Pens look bad for not protecting their player.
by Gin and Tonic on Jan 23, 2012 8:36 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
In a way, Hedman was named appropriately.
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Definitely right. He sure blue up Crosby.
Please, call me F&B.
by Rob Parker on Jan 23, 2012 8:46 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
According to nhl.com’s recent recap on Crosby’s issues it was one of ‘two viscious hits’
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by Icebat on Jan 23, 2012 10:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Florida need to make playoffs to not lose money again this year and we have seen how much the NHL feels it needs non-hockey markets.
Or Florida wins the division with a worse record than 9th place Toronto and then they can argue that the Southleast division should be dissolved for good as a travesty to the game.
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Yeah, but if that happened, watch Florida go on to win the Cup just to fuck with everyone’s grip on reality.
It would be very consistent with the way sports has been going this year since September.
Exhibits: St Louis Cardinals who were nearly dead during the regular season and won the World Series.
NY Giants winning a sucktastic division and now are in the Super Bowl and just watch — they might win.
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Hey, how about we talk about the suspension, K?
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by Bald Pollack on Jan 23, 2012 8:33 PM EST up reply actions
I like your acronym.
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…
Matt HendricksAlexander Semin suspended for diving…
FTFY
Bruce Boudreau when asked about Brooks Laich's return to the lineup, he said: "He just adds another dimension to our team. If it was puzzle, he just fits that thing. He completes us."
Brooks Laich completing everything from teams to tires and everything in between.
I’ve watched every single cap game this year and was looking forward to more. I even have the NHL Gamecenter thingy that lets me watch all the other games( for a low low price 169 dollars a year) but this really irks me. Really makes me not want to watch anymore. 3 games? For that? What a joke. I hope this is good enough cover for them when the NHL inevitably gets taken to sued by former players for not disclosing the risks of concussions or whatever.
Love Vogs being the first to link the to NHL’s video on the Michalek play:
http://twitter.com/VogsCaps
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jn1p7SXM1w&feature=youtu.be
It was a bad hit. What people are pissed off about is that they blue the Michalek call. So just because they didn’t fuck up the punishment on our guy, but did fuck up the punishment on their guy, we act like this is a tragic injustice. The universe is humangus beeg and we’re going to complain about problems on earth?
Please, call me F&B.
by Rob Parker on Jan 23, 2012 8:03 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
It’s also the fact that the hit was missed was, by far, the more dangerous hit.
Once you take the fisting element out, it's not romantic anymore.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Jan 23, 2012 8:05 PM EST up reply actions
So now you can make a little gif of an official making a mistake on a call and putting a blue background. And we can play "Blue Bayou.
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I have no interest in Blue Bayou.
Please, call me F&B.
by Rob Parker on Jan 23, 2012 8:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Running over a nail in your car blues. Getting parking ticket’s blue.
Shanahan is but one human, but he’s got a team of people working on these things who are missing more dangerous hits to take their time explaining other questionable hits. I’m of the mindset that because Michalek was the victim of this hit he was given a vouch of innocence for the game, which is so so much worse of an idea to put out there than Campbell’s wheel of justice ever was.
I mean, everyone hates Cookie and plays him hard. He’s on the receiving end of a questionable hit so by this logic he gets to go all…Matt Cooke SMUSH!…the rest of the game?
Bruce Boudreau when asked about Brooks Laich's return to the lineup, he said: "He just adds another dimension to our team. If it was puzzle, he just fits that thing. He completes us."
Brooks Laich completing everything from teams to tires and everything in between.
000
There has got to be a better way to say that
by hockeyman33 on Jan 24, 2012 2:56 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I have leaks in my roof and don’t qualify as having hail damage. I do think that the universe sucks.
Nice guys finish first, but sometimes the season is awfully long.
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Obviously not your day, Spidey. So, let me get this straight. You have pink eye, holes in your roof that don’t qualify for hail damage, and Ovi’s suspended.
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Yeah. I think that’s it, but tomorrow is another day.
Nice guys finish first, but sometimes the season is awfully long.
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I’m with you. It was a bad, bad hit by AO (whom I love) and I don’t think the suspension is outrageous. I know the NHL is wildly inconsistent with this, but if they suspended every player that charges, leaves his feet, and hits a guy’s head into the boards, the league would be better for it.
And while Michalek’s hit was plenty bad, I don’t think it was worse from an intent perspective. I get suspending for that, and wish the league would do it more often.
if you need a laugh about all of this (because I know I do), two takes on what the League believe Alex actually did:
HE HIT A KITTEN!
HE CLUBBED A BABY SEAL!
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by RedBirdie on Jan 23, 2012 8:33 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
This is the only kind of clubbing I enjoy.
Once you take the fisting element out, it's not romantic anymore.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Jan 23, 2012 8:34 PM EST up reply actions
I’m enjoying a laugh at your giant sized kitten that Ovi is hitting. Even though the real kitties get to avoid Ovi next week.
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I didn’t make them.
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I thank the person who did make them.
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You’re welcome :) glad it made people laugh.
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Oh and #whatovidid may or may not generate more twitter funny. Depends on whether it’s been picked up by the twitterverse.
by jopierce on Jan 23, 2012 8:44 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Thanks – needed this!
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by Backeez Got Back on Jan 23, 2012 8:37 PM EST up reply actions
This hurts, but
we just have to move on and the SE games vs. Florida and Tampa Bay are even more vital now when you think about it.
Is this really surprising? Most people knew a suspension was coming.
Michalek, with his squeaky clean record, wasn’t going to get anything.
I was trained to mix concrete and sign complicated insurance forms.
Michalek is squeaky clean…..because he isn’t punished when he committed a clear as day offense.
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by RedBirdie on Jan 23, 2012 8:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think the fact that he had a hearing today would inform proceedings the next time he pulls something.
Eat, drink, and be merry! And then drink some more.
you’ll forgive me if I don’t think that’s going to matter to the NHL next time he drives an elbow into a guy from behind.
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Oh your naivete is adorable.
Release the Mackan!
by Killer_Carlson on Jan 23, 2012 10:36 PM EST up reply actions
Shanahan is actually applying a logic to his decisions and is being open with the process. Things like this clearly inform his decision-making. Whether or not he makes the “right call” in your eyes doesn’t mean he’s just blindly stabbing at things.
Eat, drink, and be merry! And then drink some more.
Shanahan’s “good” about making videos for the suspensions but not so good when making videos of the non-suspensions. If similar hits in the future should occur with different disciplinary results, there should be a video explaining the non-suspension.
A step in the right direction from the Campbell regime but work is still needed.
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But you do have to draw the line somewhere. Otherwise, Shanny will never leave that green room. Of course Caps fans feel particularly aggrieved about the Michaelek non-suspension, but even as a Caps fan, I’m not particularly bothered by it.
by DonnieKnutts on Jan 23, 2012 10:56 PM EST up reply actions
I would prefer the old system, honestly. You expect the inequity and inconsistency. This new focus was founded on being more transparent, and now that we need answers, we get none and are back to wondering how many more light sentences we’ll get from Shanny because he still has a bug up his ass about Brashear in ’06.
Sure, Shanahan uses logic. It’s just different logic for every hit, just like Campbell.
Shanahan’s explanations for suspensions are no more logical than Campbell’s he just uses videos. Sure, that’s an improvement, but it’s not enough to suggest that he is actually going to apply standards any more consistently than Campbell did. If he’s really looking at repeat offender status logically then why did Torres and Bourque get off with light suspensions despite having been suspended earlier in the same season? If he’s applying logic consistently how does he not suspend Lucic (one does not extend their arms in the follow through the way Lucic did if they are just protecting themselves) but then suspend Tootoo for a far less egregious goalie hit just a couple weeks later?
Even Campbell never just suspended someone and said “because I say so”. He had justifications for his decisions too. The problem was that standards were inconsistently applied, just as they are being done so here. Early in the season Shanahan was very tough on hits from behind, whether there was intent or not. Hitters were responsible for being in control. But now Michalek gets off the hook for a dirty hit just because “his knees buckled” so he wasn’t in control? Sorry, but with every decision by Shanahan I lose faith in his ability to consistently apply logic to his decisions.
Release the Mackan!
by Killer_Carlson on Jan 23, 2012 11:23 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Seeing how he had been (lightly) suspended for 2 games less than a month before, and then threw a blatant elbow to the head, yeah, I think it was light. Bourque threw two hits in less than a month, the second of which caused a serious head injury, and that’s only worth 2 more games than AO’s first suspendable hit in almost two years? Yeah, doesn’t make sense to me either.
Release the Mackan!
by Killer_Carlson on Jan 23, 2012 11:42 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I suppose it could’ve gone up to maybe 7, but 5 is pretty heavy relative to the other suspensions this year.
by DonnieKnutts on Jan 23, 2012 11:44 PM EST up reply actions
To some, not to others, hence the inconsistency. But Bourque was only one example, there’s been too many examples of drastically different penalties for similar acts for me to have faith in Shanahan’s consistency. Porter gets 4 games for kneeing, McQuaid gets a fine a week later. Lucic gets nothing for running Miller, Tootoo gets 2 games. Torres gets a fine for launching, then warned, then the next game does it again and he still only gets 2 games. AO gets 3 for the first offense. Shanahan has been willing to lay down the law on first time offenders like Letang, Pacioretty, Stewart and Bouchard, but not for Michalek.
Release the Mackan!
by Killer_Carlson on Jan 23, 2012 11:56 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
But I don’t think any of those are apples to apples situations.
by DonnieKnutts on Jan 24, 2012 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
And therein lies the rub. You get a rap in the first place by (gasp) getting disciplined.
The Boston game is going to be fun.
I was trained to mix concrete and sign complicated insurance forms.
We need Vokoun to step up to the plate and stop ALL shots directed at the net.
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Whyno just tweeted that Vokoun was rated #25 by NHL. FYI
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The Hockey News ranked him 25th and Jimmy Howard 7th.
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I hear the rustling of foil from the Red Wings contingent
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Based on current road winning percentage, the caps will get 14 pts on the road. That’s winning 7 out of the next 18 road games.
Caps need to get 26 pts at home to make the 93 point anticipated playoff threshold.
Which means that they can only lose 4 at home. After tomorrow, chances are it will be only 3 more games.
Thanks NHL.
by Gin and Tonic on Jan 23, 2012 8:58 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Eh, they’re chances wouldn’t be good at all even if they had AO tomorrow.
Once you take the fisting element out, it's not romantic anymore.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Jan 23, 2012 9:00 PM EST up reply actions
Nope, but even worse without.
I broke it down (for myself mostly) in the road ahead thread.
I’m no longer optimistic about the season.
by Gin and Tonic on Jan 23, 2012 10:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
in the past, they just have 3 As on the ice when the C is out (going back to Clark’s time)
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Should be Chimera, Knuble and Brouwer.
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jan 23, 2012 10:28 PM EST up reply actions
Where's the complaint email to Shanahan?
I get Ovi’s punishment. Not much to say. He left his feet. Done. Fair enough. But Michalek walks free? His intent to inflict pain was evident. He was ticked off at the Ovi hit and the no penalty call. Anyone watching the game knows it. Do the crime do the time….. a squeaky clean record doesn’t mean you should get one free crime.
So if leaving the feet is such a big deal, why wasn’t Kronwall suspended for his hit on Kesler on 12/21/11?
by Gin and Tonic on Jan 23, 2012 10:14 PM EST via mobile reply actions
because despite what their supporters will tell you, the Wings get away with lots and lots of stuff.
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I know, but what I want to highlight is not necessarily favoritism. I want to show how 1) it’s not uncommon for someone to leave their get on a hit and 2) and neither does it mean an automatic suspension.
by Gin and Tonic on Jan 23, 2012 10:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
You should check out today’s clips thread, there’s some solid discussion on leaving the feet and why it does/doesn’t actually matter. I learned a lot.
"You do that, you go to the box, you know. Two minutes, by yourself, you know and you feel shame" -Denis Lemieux
Don’t take me wrong. I’m not saying leaving the feet on a hit is ok. There’s a reason for the penalty.
The point is that the NHL is staggeringly inconsistent in handing out discipline.
by Gin and Tonic on Jan 23, 2012 10:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
“Staggeringly inconsistent”… I think that’s a bit harsh.
by DonnieKnutts on Jan 23, 2012 11:02 PM EST up reply actions
Considering others comments, I think I’m being generous.
by Gin and Tonic on Jan 23, 2012 11:35 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
TSN just had a discussion that Ovi will most likely not attend ASG. Does not feel comfortable attending as suspended player.We’ll know tomorrow for sure.
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If OV skips the All Star don’t expect the NHL to discipline. League obviously wants him in Ott, but won’t make a big deal if he’s a no-show.
by icehammer97 on Jan 23, 2012 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
Apparently, the Caps and NHL are still discussing the situation. I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s the reason GMGM left Ketler early. Perhaps they haven’t made a final decision yet.
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by CapsFan2020 on Jan 23, 2012 10:37 PM EST up reply actions
It’s a no-win for the NHL.
Ovi stays home and there is no interest in the game.
Ovi goes and his suspension becomes the story, compounded by those who don’t think he deserves to be there. Overshadowing everything.
by Gin and Tonic on Jan 23, 2012 10:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think there will be just about the same interest in the game either way, to be honest. But I do agree it’s a no-win for the NHL.
Please, call me F&B.
Probably right – even with Ovechkin not enough stars with name recognition.
by Gin and Tonic on Jan 23, 2012 11:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
It’s a no-win for the NHL.
Good. The NHL is a horribly run organization and they shouldn’t have a win. Ever. If they want wins they need to stop alienating fans, and put systems in place that don’t lead to such horrible inconsistency and inability to protect its players.
Once you take the fisting element out, it's not romantic anymore.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Jan 24, 2012 2:21 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t blame Ovi one bit for not feeling comfortable about attending as a suspended player.
Yesterday, I actually posted about wondering what was the rule on whether suspended players should play in the All Star game.
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Damn Ovie. Get your head out of your ass and learn how to play the game. Stop leaving your feet, how fucking clear can it be? And when you get back, we don’t have time for any mental midgetry. The season is already on the verge of implosion.
It isn’t even anger-inducing. It does not seem to be worth that kind of emotional investment. It might not even be disappointing any more. It is expected.
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by macvechkin on Jan 24, 2012 12:01 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Get your ass out of your head and learn how to play the game
FTFY
by Murshawursha on Jan 24, 2012 12:24 AM EST up reply actions
Don’t know if this was mentioned elsewhere but Alan May talked about the suspension tonight at Hockey and Heels. He said the spear by Ovi this season (in his opinion it was faked by the other player) counted against Ovi with the suspension.
Repeat Offender?
What I do not understand is why Shanahan raises that Ovechking has a history of suspended hits. If he is no longer a repeat offender (over 18 months since his last suspension) why is it even raised? It is not relevant.
Simple solution, drop the suspension down to 1 game and he can then play in the ASG. Otherwise, I am sure Ovie would prefere to spend the next week back in Russia.
by CapsFanSince1979 on Jan 24, 2012 1:16 AM EST reply actions
Shanahan is awful at his job. That’s why it’s raised.
Once you take the fisting element out, it's not romantic anymore.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Jan 24, 2012 2:23 AM EST up reply actions
Just because he’s not a repeat offender based on the CBA’s rules for fining players doesn’t mean that his previous hits aren’t relevant. Sutton wasn’t a repeat offender by the CBA language when he elbowed Landeskog, but Shanahan rightfully considered his past hits. If Cooke goes 18 months without a dirty hit then delivers another flying elbow should Shanahan not consider his previous hits and just give him a clean slate?
Release the Mackan!
by Killer_Carlson on Jan 24, 2012 10:06 AM EST up reply actions
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