Recap: Hurricanes 3, Caps 0
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The Caps have shown that they have the ability to bounce back from a poor performance, particularly ones which everyone in the room agrees are probably best thrown in the garbage can. The tricky part for this team, as it always seems to be, is finding consistency - building one win into a streak, turning a strong performance into another strong performance and another one after that without needing the kick-in-the-pants, tear-your-hair-out loss as incentive.
And so with a solid road win in a tough building under their belts the Caps rolled into Carolina Friday night with a few simple goals: start strong, survive the first ten minutes, leave with two points and maybe even hit double-digits in shots.
...to be fair, they did get three of the four.
Ten more notes on the game:
- You'd be hard-pressed to find another Cap who has had a more active couple of weeks than Matt Hendricks, and tonight was no exception. Another fight, his second in as many games (and one that brings him up to four this month...aka four since this), and if you can believe it, more shots on goal tonight (3) than Alex Ovechkin.
- An otherwise decent if not scintillating first period was muddied by a few blatant turnovers, but none were more glaring (or costly) than the bobble/pokecheck that put the puck off of John Carlson's stick, onto Eric Staal's stick, onto Jussi Jokinen's stick and then into the net. In what seems like a season of plays that fail to meet expectations for #74, that was one of the more painful - and it makes one wonder just how far he needs to slump before he gets a seat in the pressbox.
- Speaking of those turnovers, ever wonder how they're tracked? Consider that after the first period, which saw back-to-back giveaways in their own zone by Troy Brouwer and Marcus Johansson as well as that Carlson flub, the Caps were credited with two: one to Ovechkin and one to Dmitri Orlov. Um...okay.
- Lots of goalies have mastered that fancy arm whip on a glove save to really sell it, to make it look special (paging Brent Johnson). For my money, though, you won't see many glove saves prettier than the one Vokoun made on Jeff Skinner early in the second period - close to the body, subtle yet sneaky and so good. Because let's face it, when you're Tomas Vokoun, you don't have to sell anything.
- Vokoun was easily the best player on the ice for almost the entire game, up to and even including his power move on Jiri Tlusty in the final minute that resulted in Carolina's third goal of the night. He made 29 saves, many of the spectacular/game-saving variety, and deserved a much better performance in front of him than he ultimately got.
- All other things aside, the Caps didn't have much luck tonight. Not the statistical "I don't know how to characterize this so I'll call it luck" luck, but actual "get me a four leaf clover and a rabbit's foot, stat!" luck - like when the Caps were facing empty nets at least twice and weren't able to corral the puck long enough to take advantage. Or when Cody Eakin's shot at an open net bounced harmlessly off the base of the post. Of course, when you leave it to luck, you get what you get.
- After a late-period goal to end the second, the Caps needed a strong start to the third to attempt to shift momentum back in their favor - and amazingly they did just that, throwing some offensive pressure in the face of Carolina's backcheck (if a backcheck had a face) and generating some scoring chances along the way.
- The Caps' power play was extremely successful tonight... not for the Caps, but the Hurricanes seemed to have a grand old time shorthanded, generating what were easily the better of the offensive chances and outscoring the Caps 1-0 while down a man. Which probably isn't how Hunter drew it up. We hope.
- Ovechkin had some bursts of speed and a few decent plays, but he was otherwise fairly invisible tonight, logging over 24 minutes of very quiet ice time and firing just two shots on - and three more near - the goal. A little troubling since this was a night when the team probably needed him to put them on his shoulders.
- Hockey is full of cliches and simple goals players talk about. One is getting out of the first period on the road either even or ahead... oops. Another is not giving up goals in the last minute or two of a per-... oops again. But hey, good news is they know what they're supposed to do! That counts, right?
So after not getting blanked at all this season the Caps have now been held scoreless in two of their last three. No way to sugarcoat this one, either, it was ugly - albeit not as ugly as the Islanders' game was - and a disappointing follow-up to what had been an impressive road game two nights earlier.
Now if you want that silver lining, we've seen how this Caps team responds to bad performances (and being shut out)...and we know what team they face next. Here's hoping they take out their frustration on a couple of Penguins Sunday afternoon.
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Becca, you do yeoman’s work.
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Seconded. I know this one wasn’t easy.
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Thanks, all. Depressing that I get kudos for just getting through a recap no one would wish on their worst enemy, but I’ll take it because I love the attention ;)
The definition of being a Caps fan is watching the same team over and over and expecting different results.
aw, I wanted to give you some moral support for never ever bitching about how every game you have to recap is the suckiest of sucky games. If I were you, I would bitch and moan and make a huge production out of it (I know, you’re shocked, right?) And you just keep churning these out without a pity party. St. Becca!
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Maybe this team just isn’t as talented as everybody thinks they are.I’ve seen them play Hunters system maybe twice to a T in 2 full games. The other times it’s maybe one or two periods a game. Is Hunter asking too much or maybe his system just isn’t built for this team.
by Caps Fan since 84 on Jan 20, 2012 9:48 PM EST reply actions
One thing to keep in mind, when was the last time the Caps had a non-optional practice? I’m looking at the schedule and I think it may have been Friday, 1/6 because they’ve had a game every other day starting 1/7 in San Jose. I think every practice since then has been optional. Also, Feb’s schedule is brutal. They have 5 back to back games, wow.
Also, I think it’s time for GMGM to trade for a legit 2C for this team. The Caps aren’t going to have any lottery picks anytime soon so the chances of drafting one are zero. They need to trade for one even if they have to give up Kuznetsov and a first rd pick.
Lobbies: Green, Carlson, Orlov
I don’t think anyone is going to trade a legit 1C/2C (a guy like Getzlaf) for less than that. Kuz may end up being a very good winger or he may be a bust in the NHL. We really don’t know. I rather take a chance and see what this team can do with two legit centers for the next few years.
Lobbies: Green, Carlson, Orlov
by CapsFan2020 on Jan 20, 2012 10:03 PM EST up reply actions
well that’s different. getzlaf is a 1c. if you can get a 1c who happens to be locked up for a few years, sure. but that’s a unicorn. a true 2c is not worth kuz and a first, and certainly not if they come with a bad or expiring contract, which they assuredly would if the other team is looking to unload them. and i’m not in favor of giving up valuable assets for a bad or expiring contract.
by Ginga on Jan 20, 2012 10:11 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Yes, that’s what I had in mind, a 1C/2C type like Getzlaf. The last thing I want is for GMGM to give up another 2nd rd pick for guys like Belanger or Arnott. I hope that’s not what he has in mind again this year.
Lobbies: Green, Carlson, Orlov
by CapsFan2020 on Jan 20, 2012 10:25 PM EST up reply actions
To clarify, my ideal 2C for the Caps would be someone who could also handle 1C duties for this team. In other words, an elite 2C. I think that would be the best case scenario for this team and probably for every Cup contender in the league.
Lobbies: Green, Carlson, Orlov
by CapsFan2020 on Jan 20, 2012 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
But you could also get a guy like Filppula who is a good second line center and (if he was on a team that wasn’t going for the cup) would cost much less then a first and Kuz. I would probably bet that you could get him for something like Schultz and Eakin. He could play #1 center if needed for short times and be a very solid number 2 center and you wouldn’t have to mortgage the future to do it.
by icehammer97 on Jan 20, 2012 11:00 PM EST up reply actions
Flippula’s been playing as a top line winger alongside Datsyuk, and Detroit is in the market to add a top 6 winger for their impending Cup run. There’s no way they’d be looking to trade Flippula, especially not for Eakin and Schultz. It’d require a significant overpayment, with roster players who improve their team right now, for Flippula to be moved.
by Flash in the Pan on Jan 20, 2012 11:10 PM EST up reply actions
A solid 2C would also work but what team wants to trade one of those even if they are not in playoff contention one year? Has any team traded a good, under 30 years of age, 2C at the deadline in recent times? I think you still need to overpay to get a solid 2C. I mean if the asking price for players like Belanger is a 2nd rd pick, what do you think a legit 2C would cost at the deadline?
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by CapsFan2020 on Jan 20, 2012 11:16 PM EST up reply actions
Trading for a legit 2C won’t be cheap, but what is the cost of doing nothing? Having a season be a total loss if NB gets hurt ( two years running now)? Wasting the young guns’ best seasons? Wasting a season where the Caps managed to land an elite goalie on the cheap?
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by cainoo7x on Jan 20, 2012 11:29 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Early returns indicate that BB was possibly not the problem. Same stupid stuff, now with less shots!
for some reason, this made me laugh. in a good way.
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by KNUUUUUUUUUUBLE on Jan 20, 2012 9:50 PM EST reply actions
Good work, as always, Becca. May the Caps soon give you a little more backup!
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Question from someone still learning Fenwick and number…Ovi and MoJo have awful numbers but Semin a little less so…why the delta on that? Ovi and MoJo more TOI?
not necessarily more, just different. players on the same line don’t share 100% of the ice time due to special teams, staggered line changes, and line juggling by the coach. the shift charts link is useful to show differences in TOI. you can even drag the players around to line up their shifts charts.
The H2H ice time chart is helpful here (or the shift chart for something similar, but visual). Semin spent about half his 5v5 ice time with Ovechkin, but the other half bouncing around the lineup.
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by red army line on Jan 20, 2012 10:19 PM EST up reply actions
Dale and McPhee

He won’t engage.
- It’s only been a few days.
He just might not make it back.
- Keep sending him up.
No, I don't think I'll ever get over Macho Grande
by Icebat on Jan 20, 2012 11:08 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Ovi without Nicky is a lot like Maverick without Goose. Ugh.
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by cainoo7x on Jan 20, 2012 11:09 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
And I’ve lost that lovin’ feeling
Hey, atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Jan 21, 2012 9:46 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
At this point in the season it’s pretty clear the Caps are in the danger zone.
Please, call me F&B.
by Rob Parker on Jan 21, 2012 4:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
They need a little luck and a little cold blue steel. and someone to take them on their mighty wings…
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by cainoo7x on Jan 21, 2012 9:01 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
There were a lot of spectators tonight – why can’t we try to run four lines and forecheck when there’s any opportunity..do we ever?
by ShootTheBullets on Jan 20, 2012 9:52 PM EST reply actions
There’s nothing to show you that the Caps are not even close to competing against the stronger teams in the league this year than watching their games against teams like the Isles and Canes. If they routinely get hemmed into their own zone by teams that only have one good line, how the hell can the hope to not get destroyed by a team like Boston, Philly, or the Rangers? Brutal in the d-zone. It’s been said before, but when the SV% drops from .940 to .910 (like tonight), this team is fucked. Like Ving Rhames in Pulp Fiction fucked.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Jan 20, 2012 9:53 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
So who’s gonna be our Bruce Willis and save us?
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by KillerTestudo on Jan 20, 2012 9:55 PM EST up reply actions
On your first statement, don’t you mean
There’s nothing to show you that the Caps arenoteven close to competing against the stronger teams in the league this year than watching their games against teams like the Isles and Canes.
Given what the rest of your comment implies, I think the “not” needs to be stricken.
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by CapsFan75 on Jan 20, 2012 9:56 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
How so? Them getting dominated by the bottom feeders means they are ready to compete with the top dogs?
Once you take the fisting element out, it's not romantic anymore.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Jan 20, 2012 9:57 PM EST up reply actions
Oh those pesky double negatives!
(But get your snark)
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Fuck. My bad.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Jan 20, 2012 10:00 PM EST up reply actions
blame it on the Caps. Or Whyno.
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I’m just going to blame it on the rain.
Once you take the fisting element out, it's not romantic anymore.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Jan 20, 2012 10:05 PM EST up reply actions
Your negative use was fine. Were I your editor, I would have moved the dependent clause closer to its setup to aid comprehension, but you had the proper words. :)
Ok yeah. Thank you. I did word it awkwardly but I thought it was right. I could have done that better. But c’est la vie, the point got made.
Once you take the fisting element out, it's not romantic anymore.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Jan 20, 2012 10:14 PM EST up reply actions
The Islanders beat the Red Wings 5-1. Carolina’s run Boston’s show this year. Not to say you don’t have some salient points, because there’s reason to be concerned, but I think it’s been proven time and time again that any team can beat any team at any time – and often times the better teams struggle with the shitty ones. It just happens.
The definition of being a Caps fan is watching the same team over and over and expecting different results.
islanders beating the Wings and Carolina beating the Bruins are unusual occurrences. The Caps just keep struggling, doesn’t seem to matter who the competition is.
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But have they? They lost tonight, after beating the ‘Canes their first three meetings. In recent weeks they’ve beaten Montreal, Winnipeg, Buffalo, Columbus and Calgary. They haven’t all been dominant wins, but it’s not like these crappy teams are losing every game 8-1 – this is a pretty even league right now, even the bottom-feeders have talented players and they’re not going to roll over. The Caps didn’t when they were a bottom-feeder; they lost a lot but they put up a good fight and made a lot of good teams look bad even when they lost.
The definition of being a Caps fan is watching the same team over and over and expecting different results.
The Caps didn’t when they were a bottom-feeder; they lost a lot but they put up a good fight and made a lot of good teams look bad even when they lost.
You must have a very interesting definition of looking bad.
Once you take the fisting element out, it's not romantic anymore.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Jan 20, 2012 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
You know what I mean. A contending team automatically looks bad when they don’t come in and steamroll a crappy team, and the Caps more often than not didn’t let themselves get run over. They didn’t win most of the time, either, but they made the other team exert a lot of energy beating them.
The definition of being a Caps fan is watching the same team over and over and expecting different results.
You have a much looser definition of looking bad (and looking good, for that matter than I). It takes a lot more than simply not rolling a team to look bad.
Once you take the fisting element out, it's not romantic anymore.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Jan 20, 2012 10:12 PM EST up reply actions
Whatever. Why are you dogging me tonight? All I’m saying is the Caps didn’t roll over easily when they were bad and we shouldn’t expect crappy teams to do the same when the Caps – or good teams – play them. Just losing to a shitty team doesn’t mean anything to me because if you look back at the Caps’ record over the past few weeks, they’re beating the teams they “should” beat and losing to teams they maybe “shouldn’t”.
And a lot of good teams in this league lose on a regular basis to teams they “should” beat – don’t believe me? Hop on Twitter and listen to fans of those good teams when they’re playing the shitty ones. We think we’re so special in that our team is the only one doing this kind of thing – we’re not, and they’re not.
The definition of being a Caps fan is watching the same team over and over and expecting different results.
Because you get defensive and start spouting the “it’s one game” line at the first sign of negativity. Every night. It gets a little old, and stops being “just one game” when it happens every night. You demand that people give reason (of which there are many) for their negativity, rather than just being negative yet never accept there reasons. And then when challenged to provide a reason to not be pessimistic and instead be optimistic about how the team’s playing, you get defensive and say “whatever” and leave the discussion/argument/whatever you want to call it.
Ignoring every criticism and acting like everyone who is not happy with how this team is playing are only responding based on emotion is really creating a strawman and is, itself, a facile argument that doesn’t do justice to actual arguments and the fact that this isn’t new and it’s not a one game trend.
Once you take the fisting element out, it's not romantic anymore.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Jan 20, 2012 10:21 PM EST up reply actions
First of all, when I say it’s just one game I don’t mean it’s not a trend – I mean that one game is just that, one game, worth just two points, and a bad game or even a run of bad games does not make the season a waste, nor does it predict what will or not happen in the postseason. If anything I’d think we of all fans should be wary of predicting playoff success based on what happens in the regular season, hmm?
Second, I haven’t been challenged to provide a reason not to be pessimistic, but if I was I’d say I choose not to be pessimistic because I think the Caps are capable of more, because I think when 52 and 19 get back this team is infinitely better, because I think GMGM can bring in a spark at the deadline, because I trust the goaltending, because I think overall the defense has tightened up and guys like Ovechkin and Semin have been playing better, and because seemingly every year since the Lockout one “shitty” team has snuck into the playoffs and done more than they were supposed to, so why the hell can’t it be us?
And when I say “whatever” and leave it’s usually because I have to actually watch the damn game to write the recap rather than just sit in here and bitch about it, and reading negative comment after negative comment depresses me to the point that I want to throw my laptop through my TV…which would make it kind of hard to watch the game and thus recap it.
I don’t ignore criticism. I think if you actually read my recaps of these games you’d know I’m not happy with the overall performance and I’m not just seeing the positives and ignoring reality. I’m well aware of what’s going on with this team – I just choose to not let it color my fandom, I don’t think it’s fun to always take the negative side and never see anything good, regardless of whether you’ve had reason to do so in the past. I believe in this team, and I always will.
And ‘strawman’ is the dumbest word ever invented.
The definition of being a Caps fan is watching the same team over and over and expecting different results.
Starting with the easy irrelevant comment:
And ‘strawman’ is the dumbest word ever invented.
I guess you’re a fan of ‘irregardless’.
As for not meaning “just one game”, your constant snarky “OH NO THE SKY IS FALLING” comments as an attempt to satire those who don’t see everything through rose tinted glasses shows a certain belief in that this one game doesn’t matter. And the fact that during each game a comment along the lines of “it’s only the second, and they’re only being outshot by 2” coupled with the hope and belief (more so belief) that they will in fact come back shows a complete ignorance or lack of acceptance that the awful performances being trotted out by this team is a trend.
And individuals that are as positive as I am negative are routinely called out for why they think the Caps can and will do well. And it’s constantly met with “it’s just one game” or “it’s just a rough patch”. Ignoring that this isn’t “just a rough patch”. Rough patches for sports teams don’t last multiple seasons. At a certain point, it’s just what the team is, and that’s decidedly mediocre.
As for your criticism in recaps, (yes I read them; I’m not the kind of fool that reads without commenting or expects deep thought provoking insight during a game day thread, so don’t give that bullshit ‘if you read it’ crap.) the same qualifiers (or similar) as the ones provided in comments are always meted out through the posts. Once again showing an ignorance to or lack of acceptance of the fact that this team is not controlling games. Ever.
As has been stated ad nauseum at this stage for the Caps, what matters is how. Not how many. So even when they win as they did in Montreal there is plenty cause for alarm.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Jan 20, 2012 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
At the risk of dragging this recap into an extended debate between the two of us…
As for not meaning "just one game", your constant snarky "OH NO THE SKY IS FALLING" comments
I think I’ve done that twice this season. Maybe three times. I do it to make a joke out of it and remind myself, if no one else, that it’s just a stupid game and taking one play, one period, one game to mean more than just that – one play, one period, one game – is a useless exercise.
And the fact that during each game a comment along the lines of "it’s only the second, and they’re only being outshot by 2" coupled with the hope and belief (more so belief) that they will in fact come back
Is that referring to me or to people in general? Because people are free to write what they want, yes, even you negativity fans out there – and if it’s about me, it’s a bit cocky of you to claim to know what I’m thinking if I say that type of thing. If I write “they can come back” it’s not a belief, it’s a hope – mostly because I don’t control what this team does, I can’t put the puck in the net for them, all I can do is have faith in their abilities because I’m a fan. We’ve seen it before, is my point, even if I don’t think they will on a given night doesn’t mean I can’t hope; ust because it doesn’t happen often enough for everyone’s liking, or because they’re playing like crap at the moment, doesn’t mean they’re not capable of climbing out of a two-goal hole against a bad team.
And individuals that are as positive as I am negative are routinely called out for why they think the Caps can and will do well.
And that’s fine. That’s other people. You said to me directly that I dodge it when being called out, and in my comment above I told you EXACTLY why I stay positive.
so don’t give that bullshit ‘if you read it’ crap
Didn’t think you didn’t read. Was merely saying that if you read it, you knew I was well aware of how poorly they’ve played. As for qualifiers, I don’t follow. Very rarely is there a game where absolutely nothing good happens, where everything is awful and shitty and an absolute nail in the coffin that is this season – so yes, I choose to occasionally say when something good happens amid the pile of crap.
Know why? Because these recaps aren’t just for you, I write for everyone who reads them including myself and sometimes a little bit of positivity, a note on something that went right, the smallest of silver linings, can be a good thing. And you’d be hard-pressed to find a recap by any of the writers on here that doesn’t have at least one positive note.
It may chafe you like sandpaper underwear but some people like it, and even with those “qualifiers” if you want to call them that I think I’ve done a fairly even-handed job at recapping the game, warts and all. Don’t like it? Feel free to write your own as a FanPost.
And sure, how matters. But right now, 3 points out of 9th and clinging to a tie in first in the SE, how many matters almost as much. What the hell does it matter at this point how they win or lose if they don’t win enough to make the playoffs? I’d rather they get in; then we’ll see what happens after.
…and feel free to argue with yourself, I really am done. Mostly because this will very quickly devolve into me calling you names and getting banned. My email’s at the bottom of the page for anyone who doesn’t want to let me off the hook, or as always, you’re free to call me a b%tch behind my back. I’m fine with either.
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by Becca H on Jan 20, 2012 11:02 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I’m scanning on my phone in line here.
I didn’t see who warranted the long response or whatever and didn’t read details, but the default feeling we all have is that its cool to read a recap after a good or bad game and appreciate it and I’ve never agreed with 100% of any recap. So I wouldn’t worry too much about answering every little gripe tho it is honorable to make the attempt if nothing else.
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by Icebat on Jan 20, 2012 11:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Rec’d for your even-handedness. We get so caught up in how badly our team is playing that we forget that in this age of parity just about any team is capable of beating another. Part of fandom is the incessant naval gazing whether from a positive or negative viewpoint. I found your recap critical but fair—for which I thank you.
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by capsyoungguns on Jan 21, 2012 8:48 AM EST up reply actions
It's hard to steamroll consistently in hockey...
…cuz if inferior teams simply work hard, skate hard, they can make it dificult for the better team to score. The effort factor—very big in hockey, of course. All that said, the Caps are decidedly mediocre this year—a shadow of the team that “rocked the red.”
by slipperyice on Jan 20, 2012 10:15 PM EST up reply actions
But Becca do you really think this team is that talented? The way I see it we have 2 lines that come to play every night and we have some players that just aren’t ready for the NHL,Perreault,Eakin and Beagle. And Knuble’s time is done and Joel Ward looks lost out there.What are your thoughts? Smells Caps
by Caps Fan since 84 on Jan 20, 2012 10:35 PM EST up reply actions
I think that they have the potential to be. I’m torn. Because on paper they SHOULD be, which tells me they COULD be…but they haven’t played that way as much as they should have. I agree that Eakin’s not ready, he’s looked lost out there for awhile – not so sure on 85 and 83, I think they’re decent enough fill-ins for 4th line duty.
I think the Caps have 3 legitimate lines and one pretty scrappy 4th, some of them come to play every night and some are still working on that particular skill (and they know who they are :P) Knuble is tricky because I thought he looked better on the second line w/ Brouwer and Laich but then that went away, and he’s just not cut out for 4th line duty. As for Ward………I don’t know. I’m hoping he shakes it off because he looked so good early on, I’m not really sure what happened.
My hope is that this is the awkward coming-of-age time in this team’s life, kind of like the hockey equivalent of puberty. Systems are changing, players are popping up in strange places…and when it’s over they’ll be an obnoxious, cocky teenager that you can’t shut up.
The definition of being a Caps fan is watching the same team over and over and expecting different results.
That’s a very interesting analogy — comparing the team to a teenager.
Most of the core of the team had been young for most of our playoff failures so the management figured, “Try again”. If the Caps had had an older core during 2009-2010 and if the team had done the Presidents’ Trophy and 1st round playoff flame out, I would have recommended trading many of the people who had had “career” years, up to that time, and getting maximum value for them. But given that we had a relatively young core (most of them 25 and younger), it made sense for the management to try again with that group.
There is the old Branch Rickey maxim of “better to trade a year too early than a year too late”. But sometimes there’s such a thing as trading a guy several years too early.
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Thanks Becca. Do you think we should unload one of our first round draft picks for a second line center or wait till after the season is done?I’m a huge Semin fan but when Boudreau was here he never held anybody accountable for there actions on the ice so it kinda became a free for all on the ice and in the locker room.Remember when Hunter benched Semin for 2 games and when he came back he played like a mad man and if there is anyone that can straighten Semin out it’s Hunter.He is a raw talent. Would you like to see Semin back next year at decent price?
by Caps Fan since 84 on Jan 21, 2012 12:38 AM EST up reply actions
I’d be willing to part with a first round pick for a legit 2C, but I’m not sure one will be available for that price…and I think it’ll depend some on where this team is at the deadline and how much of a difference one piece (albeit a big one) would make.
As for Semin, I’m a huge fan of his – but I think I’m at the point with him where the only way I’d want to see him back next year is if he takes a major paycut, which I don’t see happening. Agree that he’s a raw talent, but he’s too inconsistent for the money he’s making. His salary fits the talent level but not the commitment to earning it, you know? If he was willing to go down to between $4 and 5 million, maybe?
The definition of being a Caps fan is watching the same team over and over and expecting different results.
I’m a huge Semin fan too. But I doubt that there’s any NHL GM that would sign him for over $5 Million for the coming year.
It seems that his performance “fell off the proverbial cliff” since Dec of last year. I wonder how much of it was related to his groin issues and how much to other factors.
I don’t think Semin was necessarily benched for two games. It sounded like he had a minor injury and was scratched but given another game off for good measure. So, a not quite “healthy” scratch.
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I just haven’t been impressed (and I’m easily impressed). I’d like to see some 60 minute efforts—and 60 minute efforts that don’t involve a grand total of 16 SOG. Oh, sure they step up against the bigger competition, but barely.
I really want to see a few more of those games against Detroit, and a whole lot less of whatever this stuff that Dale Hunter calls hockey is.
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No, I definitely get that. I don’t want to give the impression that I’ve been overly excited about what I’ve seen – just pointing out that the Caps have technically been beating teams they “should” beat on a regular basis, sometimes falling short like other teams that are supposed to be doing the same.
The definition of being a Caps fan is watching the same team over and over and expecting different results.
In recent weeks they’ve beaten Montreal, Winnipeg, Buffalo, Columbus and Calgary.
Color me not impressed.
by ralCapsFan on Jan 20, 2012 10:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
At highest, 10th in the conference (Winnipeg).
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Jan 20, 2012 10:15 PM EST up reply actions
…….which was my point. That they’re beating the ones they “should” beat. Backstrom on a cracker.
The definition of being a Caps fan is watching the same team over and over and expecting different results.
Understand your point (and thanks again for the recap), but this team should be expected to beat better teams is all.
They absolutely should. But people are complaining that they’re not beating the teams below them in the standings, and I’m saying that for the most part they have been – they don’t seem to be losing to the dregs of the NHL any more than the top teams are. I’ve seen a number of Ranger fans bemoan the fact that their team plays like crap against the bad teams, Red Wings fans have said the same, Hawks fans, Flyer fans…
The definition of being a Caps fan is watching the same team over and over and expecting different results.
Understood. I believe a lot of the frustration and ire comes from not just losing to teams below them, but how. I think the lack of offense has many a fan on edge. Not being competitive against lesser teams can do that.
I think that is the crux of it. We have a hard time imagining them doing better because it’s not the firewagon hockey of old, and when shots seem rarer than hen’s teeth, we have no faith that they will pull it out.
I am still looking at the record in 5-game chunks, and I don’t see anything to panic about. But I definitely want to see more shots, more goals, and more time in the offensive zone before I start being happy about how they’re playing.
The degree to which this sounds like Eagles fans talking about their 4 game win streak to end the season is absolutely frightening (albeit with a lot less raging). I swear I’m following the same team in two different sports.
by Flash in the Pan on Jan 20, 2012 10:28 PM EST up reply actions
It’s not just about beating the teams you should beat. It’s about doing it convincingly. Wins and losses aside the Caps have not played well against good or bad teams. They are consistently getting outshot and outchanced and winning on the back of great goaltending. Good teams don’t need to rely on that coin flip formula against bottom feeders. Hence, the Caps’ 3-5 record in their last 8 games against playoff teams (with some ugly losses mixed in there) over the past month+.
People have been complaining, after wins and losses, about how the Caps been playing against the bad teams, not about losing to them.
Release the Mackan!
by Killer_Carlson on Jan 20, 2012 10:54 PM EST up reply actions
I understand that too. And I’m saying it’s not a uniquely Caps-related phenomenon. Losing to them, playing badly against them – we like to think things are SO terrible and only this team is this awful and oh dear god this team will never do anything right because they’re playing down to the level of a crappy team (or worse). Never mind that fans of at least 10 other teams are doing the same.
And again, I’m not saying I’m thrilled with what the Caps have been doing of late. I just choose not to get so low with the lows, I prefer to enjoy being a fan of a game because it’s supposed to be fun. Some people seem to be happier when they’re complaining about something, I’m happier when I have hope.
The definition of being a Caps fan is watching the same team over and over and expecting different results.
I’m not optimistic because only this team is working on setting the record for lowest shots per game since the lockout.
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by cainoo7x on Jan 20, 2012 11:11 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
There thre opposite of the 80s teams. Then they outplayed the opponent but lost the GT battle. Now they wagon if TV or Neuvy stand on their head. Exasperating.
by ShootTheBullets on Jan 20, 2012 10:16 PM EST up reply actions
This isn’t a case of the Caps having a poor outing here and there, but doing well otherwise as is the case with many of Detroit’s losses or the B’s against Carolina. This is a case of the Caps getting rolled in possession always. Against bad teams. If they can’t handle the forecheck of the crustaceans, routinely, they will not be able to handle the real good forechecking teams that can actually put out multiple lines. This Caps team getting dominated is an every game thing, not a once in a while thing. They got outshot 2:1 by the Habs, outshot by 10 tonight, and outshot by 11 against the Isles. And that’s not out of the ordinary. This team can’t handle any sort of forecheck. There is absolutely no reason to think that this team is close to competing in the playoffs.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Jan 20, 2012 10:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Somebody explain to me why McPhee hired Hunter...
and not an experienced NHL coach? Being a scrappy former Cap isn’t exactly a blue-chip coaching credential. He’s looking like a bust to me—and I don’t buy this notion, at all, that the team needs time to adjust to “his system.” What exactly is his system—besides being sound defensively before taking your offensive chances, which is the way 90 percent of the teams in hockey play. That is everybody’s system.
by slipperyice on Jan 20, 2012 10:21 PM EST up reply actions
Who should he have hired?
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by Bald Pollack on Jan 20, 2012 10:24 PM EST up reply actions
My biggest complaint is not with the who (though early returns aren’t inspiring) it’s with the when. I have a feeling Boudreau was on a very short leash, and when a coach is on a short leash, I think it’s better to just do the deed instead of leaving him with the sword of Damocles hanging over his head. They should have changed coaches in the offseason to give Hunter (or whoever) real time to institute a new system instead of having to do it on the fly during the season when there’s not nearly as much time to make those kinds of overhauls.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Jan 20, 2012 10:27 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed on the timing.
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by Bald Pollack on Jan 20, 2012 10:30 PM EST up reply actions
I knew that question would be coming. A veteran coach like Hitchcock...
who has completely turned around St. Louis, and did so almost immediately. The GM could have got him. I’m quite sure there are others who fit the bill. What did Anaheim do? They got a veteran coach—BB—and they too are on a streak. Good coaches get the most out of their talent—whatever it may be. I’m quite sure Hunter is not doing that.
by slipperyice on Jan 20, 2012 10:28 PM EST up reply actions
Again, who should he have hired?
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by Bald Pollack on Jan 20, 2012 10:30 PM EST up reply actions
well, Hitch wasn’t available when GMGM finally pulled the trigger. And then Bruce gets fired and everyone else goes on a firing spree 5 minutes after Hunter gets hired.
I agree Hunter appears to be the wrong choice. I think GMGM thought he could pull a Boudreau part deux.
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He should have hired BB before the Ducks snatched him up. He was available when he hired Hunter.
by kingbonehead on Jan 20, 2012 10:32 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions 4 recs
I had heard GMGM did due diligence on Muller. I also have no clue about the timing. I had thought maybe he would have found a home here. Don’t know anything about his coaching whatsoever.
Muller. The writing was on the wall for Randy Carlyle, he’d have been a fine choice. French. Carbonneau. MacTavish.
There were lots of choices that have shown they can coach at the NHL level at least competently. Hunter was not one of those choices.
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by Knee high to a duck on Jan 21, 2012 9:45 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I really wanted Carlyle. We could have made a coach trade.
by wickedwitch on Jan 21, 2012 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
Although Carlyle had not yet been fired right when they hired Hunter. But the Caps could have waited a few more days and he would have been.
One of the things I remember on the whole Hunter coaching selection is the following. I recall a fan had posted the “hire Hunter” recommendation on the “Capitals Insider” and I had then pointed out that the jump from coaching Juniors to being Head Coach in the NHL was an awfully big jump. If people had considered one of Boudreau’s weaknesses to be lack of NHL head coaching experience, that was even more true of Hunter who hadn’t even coached at the minor league level.
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Agreed. Even if by some miracle we win the division and beat the Senators in the first round, there’s no way we’re not getting curb-stomped by the Rangers/Bruins/Flyers. That’s why I’m hoping we fall apart by the deadline so we can sell off our rentals. Wideman can definitely fetch a 1st, Vokoun should get a 2nd, Semin could get a first if we decide to move him. Who knows what Knuble, Schultz, Hamrlik, and Ward could get. Not to mention the better draft pick. That looks a lot better to me than buying at the deadline then making it to the second round at best.
by Flash in the Pan on Jan 20, 2012 9:58 PM EST up reply actions
Pens win in SO. Perfect. Fucking. Night.
by ShootTheBullets on Jan 20, 2012 9:56 PM EST reply actions
ahem. come discuss that over in hockey OT.
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I’m not going to lie, I’m pretty scared that the window is shut. Watched this one with the sound off, which somehow made the game look even uglier. I think I spent about 10 minutes of game time counting consecutive passes; the Caps never strung together more than two in one possession. If it were one flat game, fine. But we’re halfway into the season and 25 games into Hunter’s tenure, and if a progression to the mean were to happen, we’d see signs of it by now.
No one on this team should be off the table right now, save Backstrom and maybe Ovechkin. Trade Vokoun to a contender for a second or something. Start failing for Nail; our prospect pipeline outside of Kuznetsov isn’t great. It’s time to start thinking about next year and the year after.
Yes, the team has looked pretty bad this week, with being shut out 2 games out of 3 and playing in the defensive zone most of the game.
It’s probably too late this year for a “Fail for Nail” campaign since the bottom feeders of the league are too far beneath us for us to fall below them.
But if the team’s still looking this bad next month, then I’d say it would be time to unload many of our people for picks and prospects.
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YASLVAATOH
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by winterion on Jan 20, 2012 10:03 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I just saw the third and put it on the Carolina feed.
They commented a lot about Ovi’s average shift length being longer than 1 minute.
They talked about Carlson being a great talented young American-born player
They said Vokoun’s play at the end wasn’t illegal but was a dangerous move (like carrying the puck into the teeth of the opposition goal mouth?)
I just saw a lot of standing in place by Ovechkin. And when I saw teammates doing that it always tended to make me mad. Even if not tired or something else, you’re already a step behind in wherever you need to go from lack of movement.
Just in the 3rd, I thought Ovechkin, Semin, and Ward were notably…the least good, for both what they were doing and what they were not.
I really liked Orlov’s 3rd period. the youngsters all seemed to have zip in the 3rd I’m used to seeing out of the Guns
Kind of not pretty that third period. I hear the 1st was good pretty decent.
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We're seeing who the real MVP on this team is, and he,s nursing a concussion.
by ShootTheBullets on Jan 20, 2012 10:06 PM EST reply actions
I don’t think there was any question about who the MVP of the team was this season. (In the seasons where he was healthy, it was arguably Green).
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Jan 20, 2012 10:08 PM EST up reply actions
hmm, I wonder if someones mind is on new trick shots and shenanigans for the All Star game
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I thought Ovi had retired from the “trick shots” gig for All Stars.
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Possibly, we shall see I guess
Either way I’m picturing an image I have of Ovi from this game in the 3rd, blown up on a giant poster with the words ALL STAR above and lots of confetti and shiny stars. It’s not a pleasant image I would actually form into being, but it popped into my head in the shower as I get ready to hit the music skene
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They just signed him as a free agent for 1.5, and traded him for a fourth round pick? Wow.
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I wonder if Ovi had a time machine, would he would go back and play harder for Bruce this season? If he didn’t like playing in his system I can only imagine how much he likes no-fun no-gun system.
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by cainoo7x on Jan 20, 2012 10:43 PM EST via Android app reply actions
I watched part of the Ducks game last night where they scored 500 goals.
Tons of smiles and hugs all around. Lots of fast skating and tic-tac-score plays.
Poor goaltending was a Huge factor, I wonder if the Caps are watching BB’s new team
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in Katie’s piece in the Post today, the Ducks players were rather effusive with their praise of Bruce.
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I saw that as well. It’s really beginning to kill me that after the team lost to Montreal by basically being unlucky more than anything else, instead of doubling down on BB and getting a legit 2C to amp his system, they essentially went about undermining him, coercing him to change his system and finally kicking him to the curb. The Caps folly is the Ducks’ gain.
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by cainoo7x on Jan 20, 2012 11:01 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I really hope that everyone understands that sophomore slumps are quite common, and the fuck ups that Carlson seemingly commits every game will only make him better in the long run… Have faith in the young ones.
by RossingtonCollins on Jan 20, 2012 10:48 PM EST reply actions
Firing BB
…is pretty darn appropriate as that is what we seem to be doing now: firing BB’s. When we are firing at all. As soon as Joe B/Locker dropped the fatal “we weathered the first 10 minutes,” the clouds of doom began to thicken. After 12 minutes, that feeling came again: there is no way we are going to score tonight, and Ward (Cam, that is) won’t even have to be spectacular. Carlson is dining at the Wrong SIde Of The Score Sheet Buffet voraciously and I don’t know if I have ever seen a more glaring absence of Center talent than the last four games…at least we get to go into Pittsburghon the wrong side of a five game winning streak. Ugh.
Ponikaravsky
Try singing “Timothy Leary’s Dead” by The Moody Blues using Ponikaravsky instead. Trust me, it works. (And, now a Devil, you can run with "Ponikaravsky’s Red…)
Whether or not the “sky is falling” or this is a temporary lull, I don’t know.
I do know this: This team is DREADFUL to watch. Simply boring, uninteresting, uninspired hockey. Not just tonight, but for weeks now.
I watched three minutes of Cats-Hawks and was infinitely more entertained than 60 minutes of vapid Caps action.
Can we at least lose in an exciting way?
Ted is somewhere shaking his heavily gelled head.
This was only one game. Just as with last years 8 game losing streak, the Caps aren’t as bad as they look right now. Slumps will end, injuries will heal, and the Caps will have home ice in the first round of the playoffs. Hell, they’ll probably even pick up some pieces at the deadline and go on a late season hot streak as a team nobody wants to play in the first round.
But we’ve seen that movie before, and the ending is always the same: disappointing playoff performances. It’s tough to say that there is anything in this season’s Caps that makes you think the mentality and discipline of the team is different enough to change the narrative. But hey, it’s only one more season off of decade-long contracts.
Release the Mackan!
by Killer_Carlson on Jan 20, 2012 11:39 PM EST reply actions
"Boring" a Hole Into My Skull
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When Halpy is one of the better players on the ice, you’re officially in deep trouble.
by ShootTheBullets on Jan 20, 2012 11:47 PM EST reply actions
Matty Hendricks was a standout for many of us at RBC tonight.
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Poorly Organized Thoughts
The view from Section 202 of the RBC Center was not pretty. My (non hockey fan) friend remarked on the variable, generally low, level of effort on the team and made a comment about the Caps playing their B-team against CAR which was hard to answer. (She also asked why they were spending so much time in their own end. Yeah.)
1. MoJo is being worked too hard, as he started to flag towards the tail end of his very frequent shifts — he really cannot eat so many minutes and maintain the kind of steady passing that Backstrom can in the same position. I really miss our 1st line center.
2. Perrault and Hendricks were jolts of energy when on the ice that Ovi only sporadically managed to match.
3. Brouwer had a rough game, positionally speaking.
4. Seeing Kundratek, Orlov, Perrault, and Eakin on the same shift as Knubs was a rare bright spot, if only because I was too busy giggling about babysitters to pay too much mind to the rather alarming d-pairing.
5. I want them to pass to teammates, not empty ice or the opposition. Kind of dreaded every pass that went across the ice.
6. Good to put a face to brooksengr!
Dingos are involved. Best not to ask.
Great to meet you too, alex. The rain and the game kinda sucked. Lots of Caps fans to share in the disappointment though.
Passing and carrying the puck through the neutral zone seemed to be a major issue all night. This team must get better in the neutral zone whether on offense or defense.
On the other hand, I did bring two friends to their first hockey game, and they had a good time (especially because they were rooting for carolina), so there’s that.





































