Recap: Isles 3, Caps 0
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By any reasonable definition of "should-win," the Caps' Tuesday night match-up with the Islanders was one for the boys in red at Verizon Center. The Isles came into the game having played a day earlier and with a record that had them near the bottom of the Eastern Conference standings and a .395 points percentage away from Nassau Coliseum. Their hosts had Monday off, a tenuous hold on a playoff spot, and a .761 home points percentage (third-best in the League).
Perhaps it was that assumption - those two presumed points to be awarded simply for showing up - that doomed the Caps from the outset, as they came out flat and stayed that way en route to a 3-0 loss.
Ten more notes on the game:
- Entering the game, the Caps had won seven-straight at home and hadn't trailed for a second in any of 'em. They ran that streak to 432:05 before John Tavares (one of the top under-25 players in the League, for my money) converted on the power-play. After a perfect 30-for-30 start to the home portion of the Dale Hunter penalty kill, the Tavares tally marked the third power-play goal-against in the last six times short for the Caps over the last three games, and the Isles would go on to add another late power-play goal. Regression to the mean!
- The Caps actually would go shorthanded two more times in the first, including an undisciplined retaliatory slash by Jason Chimera after Karl Alzner's uncharacteristic hold (Alzner has nine minors on the season now) and Jeff Halpern's uncharacteristic trip (Halpern has just five minors). And yet, Alzner had his stick yanked from his hand after his penalty and Chimera got hit square in the numbers moments before his. What's that you say? Stephane Auger had an orange arm band for this one? Go figure.
- But enough about the officiating and discipline - the Caps were out-shot 8-4 at even strength (and 10-5 overall) in the first period, and the only shot they took from inside 33 feet was shorthanded. That simply will not do, especially against a team that hasn't been particularly good at even strength in close games. As we noted earlier in the day, even during the seven-game home win streak, the Caps had been out-shot by an average margin of 29-22 in those games; great goaltending has masked an awful lot of awful.
- The Isles pushed their lead to 2-0 after a bad Dmitry Orlov turnover in the defensive zone (unfamiliarity with his partner at the moment?) was followed up by John Carlson screening his goaltender and a P.A. Parenteau wrister beat Tomas Vokoun. Carlson was caught a bit in no-man's land on the play... but there's got to be a better way to defend there than what he did.
- When NHL teams fall behind by a goal or two, they tend to start tilting the ice in their favor, for any number of reasons (the team with the lead becoming less-aggressive, greater sense of urgency, favorable officiating, etc.). That phenomenon is generally referred to as the score effect. The Caps, however, seem immune to it, as they're near the bottom of the League when down a couple of goals. Tuesday night didn't look much different in that respect.
- Look, people, the best power play in the League (which, entering the night, was the Caps' on home ice) fails around three out of every four times it takes the ice. Calm yourselves down when the Caps don't score (or even look good while not scoring) on each and every one.
- The Caps liked their five-shot, no-goals, one-goal-against first period so much they played it again in the second. In fact, they out-did themselves in one respect - none of the five second-period shots on goal were from closer than 48 feet. So... forty minutes played with one shot on goal from closer than 33 feet. And it came shorthanded.
- Kudos to Matt Hendricks and his seven hits in 12:33 of ice time. His teammates mustered up just a dozen more.
- The Caps managed a grand total of 17 shots on goal for the game, marking the third time under Hunter that they failed to hit the 20-shot mark... something that happened just four times in Bruce Boudreau's entire tenure in D.C.
- We mentioned "great goaltending" above, and the Caps got a good effort from Tomas Vokoun on Tuesday night. Maybe even very good. But with these Caps, it seems that any type of "good" won't be good enough.
On the one hand, a three-for-four homestand has certainly helped the Caps in the standings. On the other hand, how they've played doesn't necessarily bode well going forward, and dropping a "should-win" to wrap things up leaves a bad taste in everyone's mouth. And now the Caps head back out on the unkind road to face an unkind foe or three. It would be a little dramatic to say that this is a make-or-break trip for the team... but it might very well be just that for some of the players on it. This team, right now, is not good enough.
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by Bald Pollack on Jan 17, 2012 9:24 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I blame CSN’s production notes:
Make sure to join Joe B. and Locker right on time tonight. The Islanders have given up a goal on the first shot of the game nine times this season.
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I blame the Noon Number :) It was a jinx! ;) (jk)
by OvechkinGR8 on Jan 17, 2012 10:53 PM EST up reply actions
Would not have guessed that…
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jan 18, 2012 9:33 AM EST up reply actions
I’ll be honest, I hate this defensive-first scheme. I just feel like our guys are more prone to turnovers than other people. Even when we play defensively first, we still make more mistakes than other teams. It’s actually getting sickening seeing our team getting outshot every night and us struggling to get 20 shots on goal.
D-first and O-last. Oh yeah, Offense gets you the goals. Oops. I keep hearing how the team looks better hunder Hunter and I don’t see it. I still see the same lazy, outshot team from the beginning of the year.
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More like D-sometimes, O-never. Amiright?
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Jan 17, 2012 9:37 PM EST up reply actions
The acrostic sums up my articulated reaction to tonight’s game.
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by The Moose on Jan 17, 2012 9:27 PM EST reply actions 6 recs
Hunter needs to do something quick. This looks like a losing team. Those lucky wins even looked bad. Losses looked worse.
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What do you think he should do? It’s so hard to change things mid-season, especially on weeks like this, where you have four games in six days.
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We NEVER forecheck, but opponents forechecking us into TOs.
by ShootTheBullets on Jan 17, 2012 9:31 PM EST reply actions
How do you forecheck when you can’t gain possession in and break the puck out of your own zone early enough in shifts to establish a forecheck? It starts on the back end, and they’re not good enough there.
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Aside from Vokoun—lately—I’m not sure they’re really good enough anywhere. It’s not like the forwards are doing much of anything when they do start to get set up.
We have like 14 Million on the sidelines and they are paying 2.75 to Schultz and 4 million to Ward. Of course we’re going to look terrible.
Jeff Schultz was playing decently before two rookies got moved in front of him in back, let’s not go down that road yet again.
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by Bald Pollack on Jan 17, 2012 9:49 PM EST up reply actions

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by KillerTestudo on Jan 17, 2012 9:33 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
one of the top under-25 players in the League, for my money
Nothing like continuity.
This team, right now, is not good enough
That’s the long and the short of it. They looked dangerous very, very few times tonight. It won’t do. I do not like the way Hunter has this team playing.
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You probably mean you hate the way that the players aren’t playing the way they’re supposed to under Hunter in his system. If the Caps are getting odd man rushes against them, then that means someone is f’ing up their assignment…
by OvechkinGR8 on Jan 17, 2012 11:12 PM EST up reply actions
Also, I hate to have to say this (and maybe I don’t even have to), but let’s try to keep the frustration from turning this thread into something we don’t want it to be.
Be critical. But be substantive. And don’t be a dick.
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by J.P. on Jan 17, 2012 9:35 PM EST reply actions 6 recs
Not to worry. I chose to break our television set instead.
Knuble: "I am what I am. I play well with good players."
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by capsyoungguns on Jan 17, 2012 9:43 PM EST up reply actions
But thats why we got rid of him, we weren’t having any.
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by KillerTestudo on Jan 17, 2012 9:37 PM EST up reply actions
Let’s not get ahead of ourselves. Though I can’t say I’ve been exactly enamored with the team under Hunter. The worrisome trends that existed under BBBB are still existant, plus a few others under BBDH.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Jan 17, 2012 9:39 PM EST up reply actions
seems things are turning around out in Anaheim. apparently all that fun is going unnoticed by the locals out there.
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This must be a joke.
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by sickleandhammer on Jan 17, 2012 10:22 PM EST up reply actions
ANA is 6-0-1 in their last 7 i believe.
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by KillerTestudo on Jan 17, 2012 10:25 PM EST up reply actions
GMGM just needs to publicly announce that everyone expect the old men Knuble and Hamrlik are off limits, but everyone else? On the trading block! Send in your offers!
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5-1-1 but yeah, playing well. But that has nothing to do w/ the Caps really…2 completely different situations now.
by OvechkinGR8 on Jan 17, 2012 11:15 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, sooo...
Anyone care to count the blown calls? Sure, the turnovers, defense, shot totals, and discipline are of (major) concern, but the officiating was downright f***ed up tonight.
Dale, the...
Yeah, it sucked. But it’s not why they lost.
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When your shot totals (and locations) are those that the Caps had tonight, you have nobody to blame but yourself.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Jan 17, 2012 9:41 PM EST up reply actions
Thus, the issues of (major) concern.
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by Penguin Hunter on Jan 17, 2012 9:41 PM EST up reply actions
I confess it felt dirty and odd to have Auger misplace his incompetence on the Isles’ opponent for once. But not so dirty that I felt that was the difference.
Overall, he is such a travesty. Not a good sign to know a ref’s name in the anonymous “just a number” era, and even worse when you walk into the game wondering which team or player he wants to send a message to on that night.
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I’m the first to jump on shitty officiating, particularly when it cost the Caps the game. but the Caps hardly bothered to show up tonight. I’m way more pissed about the lack of effort, Hunter’s insistence on riding his top players way too hard, the worrisome long-term inability to consistently generate pressure and shots……
If Auger sucked tonight, I couldn’t notice the suckiness because I was blinded by the sucktacularness of the guys in red.
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by RedBirdie on Jan 17, 2012 9:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
And where’s the accountability under Hunter? Ovie abd Sasha can play like shit and never see their po reduced.
by Kolzilla on Jan 17, 2012 10:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yes they can. That’s because they can strike gold at any time. Sasha S., by the way, is on a bit of tear lately. I’m not sure, but I thought it was 9 points in 9 games until tonight.
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But in a regular season game against the Islanders, send a message and cut someone’s ice time if they’re dogging it. The effort and focus level from those two was unacceptable tonight but of course there were no consequences. It’s like GMGM brought in a coach who has just as loose of a leash on his players. Only difference is they give up more shots now and have better goaltending.
In favor of whom?
He gave more ice to Chimera, and I seemed to notice Knuble and Laich getting a bit more time as the game wore on, but they weren’t exactly lighting the world afire either.
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In favor of Henricks, or someone who seemed to care. If that means they lose a regular season game to the Isles, I’m OK with it. A message needs to be sent that the same old moves, the same careless turnovers are unacceptable.
Giving him continued ice time re-enforces his behavior. And it shows that he’s still bigger than the team.
I can’t agree with this. I just don’t think you bench your superstars in favor of a fourth-liner. I think I wrote an entire fan post on this some months back. Benching Ovechkin is not ever the right move, IMO.
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I know you don’t agree with it, I get that. I’m not even sure benching him would make a difference, it all comes down to how much Ovie cares about what’s best for the team vs. what’s more fun. And I’m not convinced he’s ever going to change.
Don’t you think he’s been playing better lately? Heck, even Milbury said he’s been playing better lately. One game doesn’t change that for me, and I didn’t think he stunk it up tonight as much as you.
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A crapfest. That is all. I’m sure Mr. Pivonka will add something more substantive.
On a different note, out of 10 times I’ve actually gotten to watch a game at the phone booth, this is the third time I’ve watched the Caps get shutout. Good times..
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by KNUUUUUUUUUUBLE on Jan 17, 2012 9:38 PM EST via mobile reply actions
They had no fight in them. If they told me it was going to be mailed in I would have stayed home. That effort should have been played in front of an empty arena. Thanks guys.
by Ahberg on Jan 17, 2012 9:39 PM EST via Android app reply actions
I agree. I should have left after the third goal. If you guys don’t want to bother with playing, I shouldn’t have to bother with watching you.
Good on Caps fans for soundly booing them several times.
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by KNUUUUUUUUUUBLE on Jan 17, 2012 9:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
uh o. I was chastised for saying as such. Mind your manners.
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Where exactly where you scolded for that?
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by Bald Pollack on Jan 17, 2012 10:16 PM EST up reply actions
I mentioned that I didn’t mind the crowd booing and I was told I should become a better fan
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Nah, if you shelled out $100+ for tix and the team is lazy, give en what for.
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by KNUUUUUUUUUUBLE on Jan 17, 2012 10:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
OK, so where exactly was that?
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by Bald Pollack on Jan 17, 2012 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
3 period posts
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On it.
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by Bald Pollack on Jan 17, 2012 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
There are definitely some strong opinions here about booing, and if C&S was told he/she shouldn’t, it wasn’t the first time that has come up. Some folks just don’t believe in booing.
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I don’t generally boo, but I sure groaned a lot tonight and I didn’t have a problem with those who booed. The players admitted they earned them. I also left with about three minutes left on the clock. Silver lining – got home early.
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Yeah I don’t boo either but to each his/her own. Like you I groan, as well as hide my eyes and look at the rafters at games like this. I was so glad that I stayed home for this game.
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by capsyoungguns on Jan 17, 2012 11:03 PM EST up reply actions
At least you’ve got the right cadence. Can you carry the tune?
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by _Skullduggery_ on Jan 18, 2012 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
Not that this is the biggest problem, but I wish they’d scratch Kundratek or send him back to the A. He was not a positive (overall) on ice tonight, though he did have one timely takeaway, and is on his way to showing how out of his depth he is.
Dingos are involved. Best not to ask.
Yes, but DH32 is clearly still steamed at his cat being between the treads on Erskine’s Yukon.
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by KNUUUUUUUUUUBLE on Jan 17, 2012 9:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I realize Orlov’s pass was off but during a tv break (which was later confirmed) I rewound it and, Carlson was not even in the frame and was still just a few feet from the back corner. He has to share in blame on that as well, right? Maybe he hangs back like that and I have not noticed.
They were both bad. If you’re going to go rink-wide in the D zone, you better connect.
Carlson was providing zero puck support, which was part of an overall poor effort (among a string of such efforts, I’ll note) on his part.
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Agree about putting the blame there on Carlson. Prior D breakouts were played just like Orlov did it, only this time it looked like JC74 didn’t start skating until it was too late. To make matters worse, he screened Vokoun big time.
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I hope that 74 is just having a bad stretch. Perhaps he’s not cut out for Hunter’s system? That doesn’t compute, given his time in London, but it’s possible. Although I just bought a WC 74 jersey, I’m find that I’d be willing to accept 74 in a trade, if it was the right thing.
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I don’t know if “bad stretch” does justice to how shitty 74 is playing. I don’t think he fits this style of play whatsoever, never did, and it boggles my fucking mind that Ersk and the Double Nickel are sitting while this guy barely puts forth an effort game after game. If you’re asking should we trade him now before the rest of the league realizes how little he’s worth and the Caps lose value on him, then my vote is yes. At least Alzner is making attempts to adapt and is playing with some heart and seems to be growing [some balls]. Carlson is giving up and maybe GMGM and DH should give up on him before he does completely.
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by nogoodtrying on Jan 18, 2012 7:12 AM EST up reply actions
The performance today was awful. Even my optimism is tested when the team looks like they don’t want to be out there. I don’t mind getting beat by a better team and, sometimes, teams with worse records are better on a given night. I didn’t see an Islander team that dominated. I saw a Caps team that laid down. That is disappointing.
Here’s what I think we need to do:
- First, send Kundratek back to Hershey and give the ice time to 55 or 4. Me – I prefer 4, but I’m open to debate.
- Spend tomorrow afternoon with the team going over the video. Tortorella looked masterful on 24/7, and I want to believe Hunter can do that. No real time for substantive practice in the next few days.
- Work the team through the vocal leaders. No – that’s probably not 8. It’s probably 25, 22, 21, maybe 42 or 6 or 29. Try to figure out what’s wrong in their heads. Most sports are as much psychological as physical.
- Get moving on trade tweaks. See what’s available for your extra D or a young forward. I’m not crazy about a blockbuster that could involve someone like Orlov, Carlson or Chimera or Ward. Not ready to blow up.
Beyond that, I’m honestly at a loss. I have said multiple times that changing coaches mid-year is akin to giving up on the season. It is what it is. I will remain hopeful, but I’d like to see some evidence of an offense and a little more effort. Giving up on the future to get to the playoffs is not for me right now.
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Moving Ward would be considered “blowing” the team up?
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Not him by himself, but I don’t know what we get for him alone. Right now, I’m not crazy about a large, multi-player deal. I like the players we have, but they aren’t playing cohesively. Most of that is because it’s hard to adjust to a new system mid-year. This team needs an off-season with their new coach.
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Do you consider trading Ovechkin a tweak? AO for Getzlaf and Ryan!
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Jan 17, 2012 9:49 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah. No.
Although, the look on Ovi’s face that he’s heading to play for Boudreau would be priceless.
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Honest question: what would the starting offer have to be for you to even consider trading AO?
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Jan 17, 2012 9:52 PM EST up reply actions
Probably multiple players and picks.
Skinner, Staal, Ward and some picks? Kopitar, Brown, and Quick? Sharp, Hossa, Crawford and picks? Nugent-Hopkins, Hall and some picks?
I don’t know. These seem ridiculous.
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I watched him last night. He’s ok. Oshie, Perron, and Backes, however, are the balls.
Wait — Ovechkin for Oshie, Perron, Backes and picks. That could be interesting also.
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Loui Eriksson straight up.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Jan 17, 2012 10:00 PM EST up reply actions
I went through the Stars and I saw them last night. I tried to package with him, but I got nothing.
What’s your starting point? Any of my suggestion resonate?
For the record – I am NOT advocating this.
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You do realize AO is untradeable, right? He’s either way too expensive (as he is right now) or way too good (which he used to be).
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For the record – I am NOT advocating this.
SME asked what my starting point was, so I threw out some ridiculousness.
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Ovechkin for Oshie, Perron, Backes and picks. That could be interesting
Admit it, Spidey. You’d just like to watch him play at your local barn more often. Though the thought of Ovi playing for Hitchcock would be head-exploding.
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I’m a Caps fan first. I don’t want to see him go. But that line of Oshie, Perron and Backes is really quite a good line. Three young guys that complement each other well. I was very impressed.
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The former is the far more limiting factor. I’m sure most GMs don’t want to touch that K with a 10 ft pole.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Jan 17, 2012 10:10 PM EST up reply actions
I have a solution. Let’s just trade entire rosters with Detroit. Coaching staff and FO too.
BAM.
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This is an interesting point. When is your breaking point? It’s one things when teams continue to lose because they lack talent and the $$$ players to get them there, but this is just a fucking travesty. Is there a breaking point to supporting this team for some fans? Would you consider a fan that jumped ship a “fairweather” fan or would you consider them…err…something else? Personally, I’ll always love the Caps, but I do not love watching them play right now. If it weren’t for seeing what kind of hell they put Rene Bourque through tonight, I’d be watching my DVR of Alcatraz instead of putting myself through the agony again.
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by nogoodtrying on Jan 18, 2012 7:18 AM EST up reply actions
My starting is at least another star, a first, and another top 6 player. At least. Or Loui Eriksson. I wouldn’t categorically say no to a package around Getzlaf and Ryan (actually I’d like it a lot).
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Jan 17, 2012 10:03 PM EST up reply actions
HAHAHAHAHAHA.
This was good for a laugh.
Seriously, nobody with the cap space to take on AO’s contract is even remotely interested in a declining 30G/40A player with serious injury downside making $9m/year for the next decade.
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30G? That is soooooo 3 weeks ago.
I bet you he hits 40 this year. I bet you all of our regular season champions banners. :)
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I don’t want those things in my sight, let alone my house. I’d sooner watch a WNBA game or put a leech on my main vein.
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I really hope people let Ted know how they feel about those banner….and to go off a a tangent (not the best spot for this I know).
Buuuut, I’m slowly becoming disenchanted with Caps games….not to the point of dumping my season tickes, but frustrated. It seems, to me anywho, that the team/ownership is transforming Caps hockey into a carnival/circus. I get that people need entertainment outside of the actual hockey being played, but I’m near the breaking point with: “MAKE SOME NOISE” during every break in the action, the motion detectors that don’t work. And, I’m sorry, but Rock the Red and Unleash the Fury are way past their half-life.
I’ve been saying this for years: Ted & Co. have been courting the casual fan quite hard. When this Caps team starts losing regularly, that “waiting list” for season tickets is going to get mighty short.
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I guess I could see how the ‘rile the crowd up’ and Wes screaming into the microphone attracts the casual fan…but if the team has a waiting list for season ticket holders wouldn’t it be good business to make the game experience new and exciting for those that made the large (for me) investment? I’ll go out on a limb and guess that most season ticket holders actually go to games…do we really need to see the same, recylced videos/games every game?
FWIW, hockey to me doesn’t need all that much of it. In my perfect world the Verizon Center would have a lot more organ, filled with a crowd that doesn’t need to be riled up artificially every five minutes. Hockey is unique in its ability to rile up a crowd in so many different ways.
The team playing well usually has something to do with riling the crowd.
by Gin and Tonic on Jan 18, 2012 12:56 AM EST up reply actions
Legit top line winger, reasonably young, and multiple 1sts. Not less than Richards or Carter netted.
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by red army line on Jan 17, 2012 10:31 PM EST up reply actions
CAP. CAP. CAP.
Carter and Richards netted their haul because of their cap-friendly contracts. Ovie’s contract is anything but cap-friendly.
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And from a business perspective?
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by red army line on Jan 17, 2012 11:19 PM EST up reply actions
This is the biggest red herring regarding Ovie.
The building was fucking empty when Ovie scored 50 goals and the Caps lost.
The building was fucking full last year when Ovie scored 38 and the Caps won.
Washington fans, just like all fans, love a winner. Any team that’s paying Ovechkin $9m to score 30 goals probably isn’t a winner.
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Ovie for the Sedin twins? Maybe? No? Meh?
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by Penguin Hunter on Jan 17, 2012 11:18 PM EST up reply actions
I think he’s movable, but the trade would have to involve the Caps taking back an likewise lengthy and hefty contract.
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by cainoo7x on Jan 17, 2012 11:03 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Maybe not. Sometimes guys just don’t fit with their team anymore and need a change of scenery.
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by cainoo7x on Jan 17, 2012 11:12 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I’m having a hard time thinking of someone that would be simultaneously worth it and movable from the other team’s perspective.
And the other team needs to be willing to take on AO’s total salary as well. At $100+ million, that’s not small matter.
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You are right that there aren’t a ton of fits. Luongo, Pronger, Lecavalier. would say Brian Campbell but he has fit in very well in Florida.
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by cainoo7x on Jan 17, 2012 11:20 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Luongo – No. Wouldn’t fit under Vancouver’s cap structure.
Pronger – again, wouldn’t fit Philly’s cap structure.
Lecavalier – this would fit. It’s also about as likely as a Jewish Pope.
Campbell – This is the only one that would work. . . but I cannot see FLA’s generally cash-strapped ownership taking on the remaining $90+ million that’s owed to Ovechkin.
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I will say that whatever value Ovi may have is being watered down by the new system.
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by cainoo7x on Jan 17, 2012 11:30 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Good analysis of these guys from the perspective of the other teams involved. As for the Caps wishing to obtain any of them…. Already commented above on Pronger and Luongo. Those two contracts would be worse than Ovi’s.
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Hey, I just said he could be moved if the Caps were willing to take a bad contract back as part of a deal. I didn’t say it would be easy or that the Caps would necessarily want to do it.
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by cainoo7x on Jan 17, 2012 11:36 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
…this is Ovechkin’s final year before his NMC kicks in, right, seventh year of service? /just saying
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by red army line on Jan 17, 2012 11:37 PM EST up reply actions
That is an awfully apocalyptic pronouncement for a team that is 7-3 in its last 10, on top of its division and missing Nicklas Backstrom and Mike Green.
And yeah, I wore my jersey tonight. In yo face.
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by KNUUUUUUUUUUBLE on Jan 17, 2012 9:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Let’s be realistic, they aren’t blowing anyone out. Too often, they are starting slow. And tonight they showed no effort. That’s the key for me – effort. I don’t think I’m being apocalyptic. I think I’m being realistic. I’m not supporting of mid-year coaching changes to win a championship. It rarely happens. If the Caps are to win the Cup, they need to change their mindset, because little else can or should change, IMO.
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Not only are they not blowing anyone out, they aren’t even dominating or controlling territorially. Their wins reek of luck and unsustainable performances.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Jan 17, 2012 9:54 PM EST up reply actions
The way they have been playing could easily. 3-7 if not for Vokes.
by ShootTheBullets on Jan 17, 2012 9:54 PM EST up reply actions
So, who fights Bourque tomorrow? How long do they wait?
by ShootTheBullets on Jan 17, 2012 9:46 PM EST reply actions
It’s likely Hendricks, if that happens. However, this team doesn’t strike me as one that retaliates like that. I believe Erskine went after Asham, but it took a while.
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by CapsDegenerate on Jan 18, 2012 9:11 AM EST up reply actions
I think that out of all the players on the Caps’ roster, the one player that should be traded is Joel Ward. Yes, he was brought in for the playoffs, but even he has to contribute to the playoff run, and he’s been nonexistent for the past month or so.
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Hard to trade a guy with a cap hit of $4M, tied up for four years, playing at the level he is.
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Sorry, I’m more of a fan who has no sense of cap hits and pay ceilings, but has he been playing at any level? Also, Bring Back Erskine/Schultz.
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by Penguin Hunter on Jan 17, 2012 9:51 PM EST up reply actions
Your question underscores how low his value is right now, from a trade standpoint. He’s not playing to the level he should be playing to make $4 million and other GMs would not take that deal without discount or overcompensation from the Caps.
by jopierce on Jan 18, 2012 6:56 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Yes Ward seems a prime target for the trade. Also, why do we have Shultz and Erskine making millions per year if we are going to play AHL guys like Orlov and Kundratek?
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by Bald Pollack on Jan 17, 2012 9:50 PM EST up reply actions
How is giving up the 3rd fewest GA per 60 (and skating against tougher competition that #1 or 2) underachieving?
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by Bald Pollack on Jan 17, 2012 9:57 PM EST up reply actions
It’s like the $3.5M question, no? (not looking at CapGeek as I write)
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What we need is a naive, inexperienced GM. cough Stevie Y! cough.
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by Penguin Hunter on Jan 17, 2012 9:55 PM EST up reply actions
What happened to all his praisers? Where are they? Helloooooo? Bueller? Bueller?
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They disappeared along with Roloson’s youth. A fact that Stevie has yet to acknowledge.
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by Penguin Hunter on Jan 17, 2012 9:58 PM EST up reply actions
May is talking tough. I love it. He’s right. When our guys spend so much time in their own zone they are going to get worn out. The goalie is going to get tired.
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Maybe just an effect of playing NYI, but honestly, per attack for the opponents, I don’t think the Caps are doing too bad. It’s just that the opponents, I feel, are generating much more quantity of attacks.
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by red army line on Jan 17, 2012 10:32 PM EST up reply actions
Tonight it seemed as if they weren’t winning the board battles in their own end at all. Or even getting to the puck quickly enough. I know the Isles are a fast team, but the Caps looked really sluggish to me.
What I extrapolated from May’s comments (which I recognize is far more than what he actually said) is that the team spends too much time in their zone and then they get the puck out, go for a line change, and the new line goes right back to trying to get the puck out. So the team is on a survivor mode of thinking, blocking shots, trying to break the opponent’s cycling, etc., which would wear anybody out mentally if not physically. And it creates the wrong mindset for creating sustained offensive pressure. How can they start a good cycle in the opponents zone if they can’t even keep the puck out of their own end.
What baffles me is that I know that kind of play is what Hunter wants. So why isn’t this team doing it. The balance is off. It’s frustrating to watch.
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by capsyoungguns on Jan 17, 2012 10:57 PM EST up reply actions
What happened to the Caps of old, where they could outskate a team full of Apolo Ohnos?
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by Penguin Hunter on Jan 17, 2012 10:59 PM EST up reply actions
The isles are one of the worst teams in the league and they were playing the back end of back-to-back games.
The Caps’ effort was downright pathetic, in quantity or quality.
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So when the Caps play Montreal tomorrow, will it count as a back-to-back since they didn’t show up tonight? :)
by OvechkinGR8 on Jan 17, 2012 11:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
While the lack of a second offensively capable center is glaring, the Caps as a team do not know how or are not capable of playing a “half court” offense. I think I only saw a couple of shifts where the Caps were able to cycle and put some pressure on the Islanders.
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by cainoo7x on Jan 17, 2012 9:54 PM EST via Android app reply actions
17 SOG. Pathetic, just pathetic. Do SOMETHING!
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by ShootTheBullets on Jan 17, 2012 9:57 PM EST reply actions
Such as?
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by Bald Pollack on Jan 17, 2012 9:58 PM EST up reply actions
Dude… calm yourself. Might be best to walk away and come back later.
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In fairness, it is pretty pathetic. Especially on home ice when you can determine matchups at stoppages.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Jan 17, 2012 10:01 PM EST up reply actions
It was, but those are the types of posts that bug me. This team needs something. I’m not sure what, but I’d love to hear what people would do.
Seems broad agreement to give 55 or 4 some ice time. Other than that, I’m not sure.
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One thing that needs to be done, and I don’t know how Hunter can do this, but he needs to get the players to stop over passing and looking for the perfect shot. Too many times I see them in good shooting areas looking for that extra pass instead of taking the shot that’s there.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Jan 17, 2012 10:04 PM EST up reply actions
start putting up a Benjamin each game for the guy who gets shot #31?
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Yeah. Million dollar players are incented by a Benjamin. However, the idea is right.
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I wasn’t really sure what you put up for millionaires. gift card to the champagne room?
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Although that is far from the only thing that is killing their shot totals and leading to them getting dominated in the Fenwick charts and territorial battles.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Jan 17, 2012 10:08 PM EST up reply actions
28 did it at least a couple times tonight.
Oh, well. Boston just got beat by TBL, and a solid effort tomorrow will have us all celebrating again.
The die is cast, at least for this season.
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Woooo Tampa Bay! Far enough back in the division that I don’t feel even a little bad rooting for them against certain teams.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Jan 17, 2012 10:11 PM EST up reply actions
Perhaps FD’s point was that a team as good as Boston lost to a team like Tampa, last in the EC.
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Id feel better about it if we had won 25 of our last 30 or whatever boston has though.
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by KillerTestudo on Jan 17, 2012 10:12 PM EST up reply actions
no, clearly this is the beginning of the fall for Boston. right? RIGHT?
um, so, about the caps……hey, well, tomorrow’s a brand new 60 minutes.
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I’m sure it was. Good teams lose to bad teams. It happens. Unfortunately, it is increasingly looking like this is not the case. The Caps are looking more and more like a simply mediocre team.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Jan 17, 2012 10:13 PM EST up reply actions
It’s funny how in previous years, the third and fourth lines and bottom pairs were the ones unable to carry their weight, but now, it’s the top pair and top two lines.
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by red army line on Jan 17, 2012 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
We’re over passing instead of firing it on net and crashing the net. Dale even said so in the presser. Time to play all four lines aggressively, esp with 3 gms in 4 nights.
by ShootTheBullets on Jan 17, 2012 10:03 PM EST up reply actions
well, that second sentence is the key. and not one I’m really expecting Hunter to embrace and implement.
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Last night at the Blues game, Hitchcock put his fourth line out (which is very bad) with a one goal lead and four minutes left. That line responded with the opportunity and kept the Stars bottled up.
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Agreed. And they need to manage the D minutes as well, but that means getting 4 and 55 into the lineup more frequently. Wouldn’t hurt to brush the dust off of Neuvy either.
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by cainoo7x on Jan 17, 2012 10:12 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Maybe best to find the team a new chiropractor.
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Hope they hustle to the plane and airborne. Word is the weather is really crappy between here and MTL.
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by Penguin Hunter on Jan 17, 2012 10:06 PM EST up reply actions
Since when do the Caps have incompetent pilots and outdated equipment for their charter flights?
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Jan 17, 2012 10:09 PM EST up reply actions
You never know… But yes, this being modern America, another tragedy seems highly unlikely.
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by Penguin Hunter on Jan 17, 2012 10:31 PM EST up reply actions
In all honesty, I wasn’t thinking “crash”, just an unpleasant bumpy flight with more time in MTL to rest up.
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by Penguin Hunter on Jan 17, 2012 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
OT: One of the NBA teams, Piston IIRC, had an emergency landing yesterday; don’t like where this went, even if it wasn’t your intent :(
On a related topic, however, with all the hockey this team is playing this week and with back to backs including travel between the games, I’m less of a fan than normal of this coaching staff’s TOI management.
Wideman played 28+ minutes tonight. Special teams or not, I don’t like it.
Which is why Erskine/Schultz.
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by Penguin Hunter on Jan 17, 2012 10:54 PM EST up reply actions
I guess I’ll figure out how worried I am based on the effort tomorrow night. Do the Caps bounce back with a strong effort after this stinker? Or are they going to chase it with another lackluster performance?
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by cainoo7x on Jan 17, 2012 10:05 PM EST via Android app reply actions
Hunter has the system to win. These overpaid, over contracted frat boys are too busy sipping lattes on the bench to bother with forechecking, hitting, cycling, clearing the crease, all those hard-work basic hockey actions. I’ve seen them do it mayboe one game here or there, more likely 20-30 minutes, rarely a whole game.
I’m calling it – these bums are in no danger of winning the Cup this year, 37 and counting.
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by sickleandhammer on Jan 17, 2012 10:18 PM EST reply actions
really going out on a limb there.
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I personally think they’re more the frappucino type, but perhaps that’s just me.
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by D'ohboy on Jan 17, 2012 11:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
the sip them so daintily, too.
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by Bald Pollack on Jan 17, 2012 10:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Somehow, DH has to keep the players focused on the game at hand and the system he has for winning it. And the players need to stay listening. When the system works, it’s beautiful (Predators game). When it doesn’t, well… you get tonight.
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by Penguin Hunter on Jan 17, 2012 10:29 PM EST up reply actions
Is 15-20 shots a game the expectation for this system when it’s working?
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by cainoo7x on Jan 17, 2012 10:35 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Well… It’s a work in progress. Shot totals would need progress.
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by Penguin Hunter on Jan 17, 2012 10:40 PM EST up reply actions
It all comes down to the backcheck. I would go as far as to say it is the root of all the Caps problems.
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by KNUUUUUUUUUUBLE on Jan 17, 2012 10:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
In curiosity, explain to me how the backcheck would help the Caps’ offensive woes? Just curious.
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by Penguin Hunter on Jan 17, 2012 11:00 PM EST up reply actions
Well, as JP has brought up a few times, when you suck on backcheck, your guys are tired and are forced to dump the puck in for a line change when they finally do clear the zone, giving up possession instead of establishing o-zone presence. And the cycle repeats.
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by KNUUUUUUUUUUBLE on Jan 17, 2012 11:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Thank you.That made some sense.
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by Penguin Hunter on Jan 17, 2012 11:15 PM EST up reply actions
Interesting to listen to DH32’s post-game comments. Recommended.
Clearly the video session tomorrow is not going to be fun, nor should it. I believe he said “The video don’t lie.”
He calls it pretty honestly and seems to agree with the brightest minds here.
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Well, I have to say I agree with him. I do like the even keeled demeanor after Bruce’s apoplectic sputtering. Bad plays, mistakes, and too cute around the net.
Disagree that you can brush off the shot disparity so easily, but whatevs. Tomorrow’s a new day.
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I think you have no choice but to brush off anything when you play again tomorrow night. Coach’s job is to prepare the team mentally as much as physically. IMO, screaming and yelling at them after tonight won’t really help.
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Yeah, I agree. They weren’t good. Coach didn’t sugar coat that part of it.
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When is the time to go doom-and-gloom? I have tried to avoid it this season during the downs but even with the recent uptick in play it seems the team barely gets it done most nights. When the lose they look lifeless for most of the game, and even during wins it seems the Caps spend long periods costing.
When was the last time we saw a full 60 minute effort? Last game against Pittsburgh?
I don’t know enough about hockey to comment on the system Hunter has put into place, but it seems at some point it comes down to the players. I have to wonder if a big change in the lineup is coming at the trade deadline/offseason with Semin, Green, Knuble, Halpern, Wideman, Carlson, and Vokoun all having their contracts expiring this summer (only Green and Carlson are RFA).
If anything, I feel it is very possible to see a blockbuster trade involving Semin as a team looking to add just enough scoring to get them over the playoff hump might be willing to part with something good for him.
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by breed16 on Jan 17, 2012 10:36 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Final score of Conference Semis Game 4 last year vs. Tampa was 5-3…
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by KNUUUUUUUUUUBLE on Jan 17, 2012 11:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
As of right now… not many. They’ll take him at 25 cents on the dollar… maybe.
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jan 18, 2012 9:36 AM EST up reply actions
Anything other than a Cup will results in changes off-season, and that may not be enough. Too many expiring contracts to think that change won’t happen.
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Sadly, I’m cringing at the thought of the money tied up long term in Laich and Ward.
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by cainoo7x on Jan 17, 2012 10:40 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
You can live with Laich, I think. Ward…not looking like a good investment so far.
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not looking like a good investment so far
This is where I wrestle. Is it too early to call it a bad investment? I think so.
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I’m talking about significant changes. As in the departure of one or more of the “young guns” along with several other players. And even a Cup would result in changes… look at Chicago.
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if by change you mean “Have to dump a significant portion of the Cup roster because they mortgaged everything on one season and only make the playoffs the following year because by some miracle Minnesota beat Dallas in the very last regular season game of the entire league”
yes, I’m aware that Chicago is merrily winning like crazy this season.
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Nicely played.
The Caps aren’t in that situation. GMGM has balanced longer-term deals with short-term deals with expiring contracts. This year, he has decisions to make about Carlson, Green, Semin, Wideman.
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I’’d love to see a Cup here, don’t get me wrong, but the way Chicago handled their contract situation had the potential to handcuff the organization for many seasons to come. They’ve managed to get themselves out of that mess, mostly, but it’s certainly not a model I’m eager to see the Caps emulate.
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Yeah, I’m glad the Caps haven’t handcuffed themselves with any expensive long-term low-value contracts…
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Chicago’s long term outlook is doing just fine.
They mortgaged, paid for it last year, and are now back on track.
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I don’t think Chicago is so easy to use as a comparison because the paperwork snafu resulted in higher cap hits than otherwise would have been the case. Yes, it created a cap situation and yes Huet and Campbell and other contracts had nothing to do with the RFA QO mess-up, but all contributed. The, there was the Toews bonus cap hit, but I don’t think there’s a team out there that wouldn’t make that trade-off.
Chicago was up against the Cap and changes were in the offing. Suggestions on what the departure on one or more of the Young Guns should bring back?
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by Bald Pollack on Jan 17, 2012 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
I am in college and don’t get any games on TV other than what is on CSN and NBC, so honestly I have no idea what players might be “right” for the Caps. It just seems like the core of guys we have had the past half-decade aren’t producing, especially in the playoffs, and at some point you have to make a change.
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But..it hasn’t been a half decade. It won’t be for another year. Two are locked in for deals for a half dozen years, one is an RFA, one is a UFA.
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by Bald Pollack on Jan 17, 2012 10:52 PM EST up reply actions
This season would mark 5 season since we got back into the playoffs in 07-08 after having missed out since 00-01. In that time, with the core group of Ovechkin, Backstrom, Green, and Semin we have lost in the 1st round twice and the second round twice with this year’s results yet to come.
So I think it has been a large enough sample size.
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The latter part of my post still is what it is. One’s going to leave at the end of the year as is.
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by Bald Pollack on Jan 17, 2012 11:14 PM EST up reply actions
I wonder if Green ends up leaving for nothing because the Caps will be reluctant to make the qualifying offer. I could easily see Semin leaving for nothing as well.
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by cainoo7x on Jan 17, 2012 10:46 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Those are distinct possibilities, but too early to say.
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No way GMGM lets Green walk unless the contract offer is completely stoopid. I’m talking like, 20% overpaid, at like 5 years stoopid. No way.
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well, Green is an RFA. caps must offer a contract at 100 of the value of his current contract. if they do not, then he becomes an UFA an other teams can start negotiating with him. So, Caps have to decide if he’s worth another go at $5.25 million. But if they don’t offer, Mike Green potentially goes to another team and the Caps get absolutely no compensation.
I just don’t see anyone submitting an offer sheet. although one could.
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ah, thanks. the QO can be for one year, correct?
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If that is the case, I would say you go for that. Green might bounce back from the injuries and play amazingly again, or he could miss a ton of games. I feel it is pretty risky to sign anything long-term with him at this point.
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I agree. Both parties are probably amenable to 1 year at $5 million for obvious reasons.
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All I’m responding to is the QO process, if it gets to that point. The QO will be for one year at 5M if I’m correct that his salary is 5M this season (i.e., no signing bonus included in the 5M salary reported at time of contract and listed on capgeek.)
Gotcha. Lots of moving parts obviously, but at this point couldn’t you see 1 year at $5 million being a realistic option? Maybe 2 for $8 million or something?
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There are so many issues heading into this off-season not just with the Caps, but with the CBA expiring in September. A lot of issues related to whether certain CBA rules will be the same, whether there will be a rollback, whether there will be some type of amnesty, etc. Green is a year away from UFA status under the current rules, so also the Parise issue if sign him for one year.
If looking at obligations, the chances of Semin leaving > Green leaving because of UFA and RFA rights alone, but we’re 6 months from that decision.
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by Bald Pollack on Jan 17, 2012 10:50 PM EST up reply actions
I think we may get a hint at what will happen this summer between now and the trade deadline based on the moves GMGM makes or doesn’t make.
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by cainoo7x on Jan 17, 2012 11:07 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Well, tonight may have been the worst I’ve seen the Caps play this year.
But, it’s one game. Sometimes teams just take the night off. If they take 2 of 3 on the road, everything is hunky dory.
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by KNUUUUUUUUUUBLE on Jan 17, 2012 10:38 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Seems like we are saying “they took the night off” far too often this season =/
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Yeah, I hate it too, but I remember us bitching endlessly LAST January about effort (and rightfully so). There’s an entire half a season to play, and considering the boys’ record of pulling things together, I like our odds.
And being on top of the SE without two of our stars and winning 7 of 10, there are much worse places to me.
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by KNUUUUUUUUUUBLE on Jan 17, 2012 10:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Ok, 1 point out of the SE. Last year, after 44 games, the Caps had 55 points. Its not the end of the world.
That 44th game was a 3-0 loss to TBL, by the way.
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by KNUUUUUUUUUUBLE on Jan 17, 2012 10:56 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
And we went on to get blown out in 4 games by the Bolts, although we admittedly have numerous injuries right before & during the playoffs.
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Right, but the point is the Caps righted the ship and posted the best record in the East.
As for The Playoffs, well, I’ll refer you to Jim Mora on that.
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by KNUUUUUUUUUUBLE on Jan 17, 2012 11:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I was as happy as anyone to see the Caps take first again, but Philly decided that winning games the last month of the season was completely overrated.
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Oh come now. Seriously. The Caps had a fantastic record at the end of the year regardless of the Flyers performance.
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by KNUUUUUUUUUUBLE on Jan 17, 2012 11:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think my problem is I watch too much other hockey besides the Capitals. Watching the good teams like St Louis, Detroit, Vancouver, SJ, etc is like night and day compared to the Caps effort level. I wont say talent level, because I believe the talent is there (to a degree, anyways).
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I agree. But in some respects I find myself MORE excited and interested in those games than in the Caps games. That is new for me in 20 some odd years of Cap fandom. It’s got me thinkin’.
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by nogoodtrying on Jan 18, 2012 7:26 AM EST up reply actions
DH seem to think that they can get by on defense alone. Two-time Rocket Richard trophy winner sitting spaces down on the bench. Is there a problem? Yes. Too late to fix it? Remains to be seen. Can it be fixed? Definitely.
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by Penguin Hunter on Jan 17, 2012 10:47 PM EST reply actions
So who bet Semin he could get through an entire season only taking curl and drag wrist shots?
I think he just might do it.
Like the majority of the team, he’s not having the season we hoped for. But tonight he took two wicked slapshots that didn’t miss by much.
and he has really cut down on the penalties lately. Which is nice to see.
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Jeebus. You had to go and point that out. :-)
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Did anyone think Ovechkin played the game the right way tonight? Did he set the right example as captain? Or did he revert back to old tendencies?
Cause he logged a game-high 17:09 for any forward on either team.
If you thought there’d be more accountability under Dale Hunter, you were wrong. Perhaps even more damning is Alex Semin getting nearly 4 minutes of PP time despite being disengaged the whole night. It’s sickening. Might as well bring back BB.
It’s been so easy this year to jump on Ovechkin, and at some point there’s the acknowledgement that Ovi is Ovi, for better or worse.
But his play tonight struck me as particularly uninspired. There was a pair of shifts midway in the third that stunned me. I don’t think his stick touched the ice once in his one zone, as the rest of his teammates struggled to get the puck out.
It’s hard not to shrug when it comes to the Captain these days.
at some point there’s the acknowledgement that Ovi is Ovi, for better or worse.
If tonight’s Ovie is what we’re stuck with then we’re good and truly fucked as a franchise. We can expect better out of him because he’s the highest paid player in the league and watching him make the least out of his talent possible is sad.
I’m just upset that the new coach seems unable to change it.
I didn’t think Ovie was at all bad tonight. Maybe I’m losing my mind.
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by KNUUUUUUUUUUBLE on Jan 17, 2012 11:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Ovi has been tearing it up as of late. I don’t think you should be cutting back on his ice time.
I also thought he had a decent game. I think that penalty was a load of crap.
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by KNUUUUUUUUUUBLE on Jan 17, 2012 11:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Dreaded Question...
Anyone have any idea what we might see tomorrow?
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by Penguin Hunter on Jan 17, 2012 11:08 PM EST reply actions
For Montreal, maybe.
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by KillerTestudo on Jan 17, 2012 11:09 PM EST up reply actions
With Rene Bourque with the game winner, just for some extra salt.
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by KillerTestudo on Jan 17, 2012 11:10 PM EST up reply actions
I would like to see Neuvy try his hand at a win (especially since i got a Neuvirth jersey yesterday).
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by Penguin Hunter on Jan 17, 2012 11:11 PM EST up reply actions
A. A team that struggles to get shots on goal but through somewhat sound defense and outstanding goaltending, gets the win
B. A team that struggles to get shots on goal and is a total mess at pretty much every aspect of the game
take your pick.
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Definitely, not a good effort for the Caps tonight. Getting less than 20 shots on goal and being shut out by the Islanders is very poor, especially considering the Isles are one of the worst defensive teams in the league. Seriously.
The Isles have good offense, that is true. And, admittedly, they have better offense than the Caps. But the Caps should have gotten something.
They dug themselves in a hole right away by taking a penalty and giving up a PP goal. Someone had reported today that the Isles have a good PP percentage, even though they don’t draw a lot of penalties. But today they did.
Of course, Auger officiating never augers well for the Caps. (Okay, Auger is pronounced differently than auger but…..)
Rocking the Red for teams on the banks of the Potomac and at the Gateway Arch and Singing the Blues about Hockey.
Night. Hope that DC doesn’t have a riot if the Caps lose tomorrow.
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by Penguin Hunter on Jan 17, 2012 11:34 PM EST reply actions
We wont, most of the new “fans” will be buried face first into their smartphones waiting for Ozzy Osbourne to tell them to let him hear them scream. Just like they were tonight.
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by KillerTestudo on Jan 17, 2012 11:35 PM EST up reply actions
I know. If only the Caps were playing to half-empty arenas of real fans like they were 10 yeas ago. Good times.
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by KNUUUUUUUUUUBLE on Jan 18, 2012 12:10 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Disappointed in tonights game.
We had three or four power plays and didn’t convert though I remember there were a couple good looks.
Maybe I’m picky because I got to see things in a bit more detail without constant commentary on the TV or the radio, but I saw a bit more puck mishandling when the player had an opportunity to get a shot on goal.
Went to my first Caps game yesterday
…and was thoroughly disappointed.
Unlike Wizards games though, I’ll look to redeem myself (or rather look for them to redeem themselves) and try to catch another rather than give up on the team. I’ve been a handful of Wiz games, but man…Caps games are something else! Even when you lose! Er, the atmosphere is…
Well, at least it is unlikely that the Wizards will get shut out at home this season.
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