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WASHINGTON, DC - DECEMBER 09: Dennis Wideman #6 of the Washington Capitals celebrates his power play goal at 12:33 of the first period against the Toronto Maple Leafs and is joined by Alex Ovechkin #8 at the Verizon Center on December 9, 2011 in Washington, DC.  (Photo by Bruce Bennett/Getty Images)

24.6 - Capitals League-best home power-play percentage. (The Caps also have the League's second-best home penalty kill... but the 25th-rated road power-play and the 27th-ranked road penalty kill).

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Alright, any theories on why they’re so good on both special teams units at home and so bad on the road?

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by J.P. on Jan 11, 2012 12:06 PM EST reply actions  

Their PPO at home/on the road are almost the same, but despite an equal # of road/home games they’ve had to kill off 18 more penalties on the road.

Maybe they get their feathers ruffled a bit more on the road, which cause them to get wore down a bit more?

by Brainumbc on Jan 11, 2012 12:08 PM EST up reply actions  

My guess is that it’s harder to win draws on the road. I seem to recall a statistic showing that the Caps have struggled mightily in the dot on the powerplay. Winning that first draw on the powerplay is critical, since it allows you to set up in the zone and wear the other team down. And it’s a lot easier to frustrate a zone entry rather than breaking up a powerplay in progress.

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by Wheeler on Jan 11, 2012 12:14 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Nice theory, but… I don’t think that explains it.

Through 34 games (unfortunately that’s all I have with me), they were 51.8% in the dot on the road on the PP and 48.1% at home. On the PK they were 56.6% at home and 52% on the road.

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by J.P. on Jan 11, 2012 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

And in the PP I broke down they lost both OZ draws and still spent a lot of attack time and had great chances.

Please, call me F&B.

by Rob Parker on Jan 11, 2012 12:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I wonder how strong the correlation between FO success and PP success within a single PP is. You’d think it’d be high, but probably not as high as we might suspect (and your example is a good demonstration of how and why).

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by J.P. on Jan 11, 2012 1:03 PM EST up reply actions  

(There’s this, from the PK perspective.)

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by J.P. on Jan 11, 2012 1:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m definitely on board with this:

I lean towards thinking that winning or losing faceoffs doesn’t make enough of a difference in the outcome of hockey games to matter.

I also like that he points out that the real choice isn’t a 0/100% split, that the range of faceoffs is going to be much tighter (even tighter than his 65/35 example in the post). I’ve seen analyses of faceoff impact that base their impacts off of a player’s failure to win 100% of the draws, which is just misguided. The real marginal impact of FOs becomes smaller when you look at the normal NHL range.

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by Rob Parker on Jan 11, 2012 1:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I tend to agree. I think it’s a very, very over-emphasized skill.

Look at MoJo, for example. He sucks at draws. Sucks. Let’s call it 40% suck (it’s actually higher, but for the ease of the numbers, we’ll go with 40%). But everyone would be perfectly satisfied if he was at 50%. So what are we talking about here? If he’s getting 10 draws per game as the 2C (which is a high number, given 19, 21 and 15), we’re talking one draw difference. One.

What’s the likelihood that that one draw ends up hurting you? How many “one draw per game” do you have to add up before you’ve allowed a goal or failed to score one?

Point being, I wouldn’t shift MoJo to wing “because he can’t win faceoffs” – if he’s better at center, I’m betting the difference between him playing there and winning just 40% of his draws and him playing on the wing is worth keeping him at center.

That said, late in a tie game or with a lead, I’d make sure he’s not out there for D-zone draws. But otherwise, it wouldn’t change much about how I’d utilize him.

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by J.P. on Jan 11, 2012 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m also buying more and more (and maybe this is just FO-artist-strategy changing) that what happens in the immediate second or two after a faceoff is just as important as the actual faceoff itself. So many times you hear “xx wins the faceoff” but they don’t actually come out of it with puck possession because the wings weren’t helping out or they won it back through the D-men at the points and it exited the zone, etc. Obviously the center has the biggest effect on it, but the stat that is counted (I think?) is the center winning the draw or not, and I’m not convinced that paints the whole picture.

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by SmallZ827 on Jan 11, 2012 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

If faceoff success correlated strongly with PK%, the Leafs would have an awesome penalty kill. If you care to check out where they are, we can wait and you can report back.

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by J.P. on Jan 11, 2012 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Without looking, I’m going to assume they’re in last and you knew that already.

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by SmallZ827 on Jan 11, 2012 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

DFL.

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by J.P. on Jan 11, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions  

And (I’ve looked now) it’s not even close! 30th with a 73.6, CBJ and SJS are 29 and 28 with a 76.4 and 76.5, respectively. Aaaand the Caps still look up at them in the standings. A-boo.

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by SmallZ827 on Jan 11, 2012 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

The Caps represent the difference between 29th and 30th for the TML PK!

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by Rob Parker on Jan 11, 2012 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

And what I’m trying to get at is less the relationship of faceoff success to special teams, and more the fact that “faceoff success” is dependent on more factors than just the center’s timing and ability to cheat.

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by SmallZ827 on Jan 11, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep, I totally agree with that.

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by J.P. on Jan 11, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, given how Mr. Dellow frames the question, it gives you the powerplay side, too. The theoretical team that loses 100% of its initial draws on the PK faces a theoretical team that wins 100% of their initial draws, and vice versa. In turn, this leads to the conclusion that, on average, winning the first draw gives the average NHL team a 21.1% powerplay, and losing the first draw results in a 17.5% powerplay.

I proposed faceoffs as one of the possible root causes because it’s one of the few areas in hockey where the home team has a significant advantage (along with having the last change, though I don’t think teams line-match much on special teams). But given JP’s data above, that’s probably not the case.

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by Wheeler on Jan 11, 2012 1:42 PM EST up reply actions  

A lost FO (assuming the PK clears the puck) eats about :15-:20 off the PP normally. That’s if they get a clean zone entry.

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by Rob Parker on Jan 11, 2012 1:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Here is a thought. First, how many faceoffs does one find in a power play? It is something more than one and less than…what? Next, I wonder at the instances of success. Are the preponderance of goals scored early in a power play or late? I suspect the former, intuitvely, as a result of teams taking being less precise and more prone to depart from systems and plays as power plays are expiring.

Put the two together…if you win the first faceoff, what are the chances of you’re being successful on the power play? Well, if success comes more often early than late, then if you win that first faceoff, you might be expected to be more successful on the power play (you have the puck for more time in that first minute or first 30 seconds).

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by ThePeerless on Jan 11, 2012 2:21 PM EST up reply actions  

But PKers are more tired later on…

Please, call me F&B.

by Rob Parker on Jan 11, 2012 2:42 PM EST up reply actions  

If they can’t get off the ice.

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by ThePeerless on Jan 11, 2012 2:42 PM EST up reply actions  

The Horn Guy (yes, it’s a proper noun) infuses the powerplay with Wolkian levels of efficiency and comprehension. Such is the power of the vuvuzela.

Goat infuses the penalty kill with the same strength and vigor as contained in his bellows-like lungs.

Without these two, the Caps special teams units are but a shade of their whole selves. Warrior without swords.

by Sick, Unbelievable on Jan 11, 2012 12:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Horny a rinker?

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by caps&skins on Jan 11, 2012 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Mama Ovechkin’s cooking?

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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jan 11, 2012 12:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Hometown calls could explain a little bit of it, I suppose.

I think what this means most to me is that the primary problem with this team is heart/soul/killer instinct/fortitute/whatever you want to call it. It’s mental. Too primadonna perfect to handle adversity, with apologies to Former Bench Boss BB.

That’s perhaps the most vexing thing of all. It’s not an easy fix, to me it suggests a cultural problem.

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by leacha on Jan 11, 2012 12:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Being accustomed to crap ice?

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by Bald Pollack on Jan 11, 2012 12:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m going to call it self-fulfilling prophecy, at least on the negative side. Streaks start and then they get in your head. It will come close to evening out, hopefully sooner than later.

But look at how long the PP was dormant…and look at Ovechkin’s near year between PPG at home.

It isn’t even anger-inducing. It does not seem to be worth that kind of emotional investment. It might not even be disappointing any more. It is expected.

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by macvechkin on Jan 11, 2012 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

We’re telling them to “SHOOOOTTTT” and “CLEAR THE PUCK!” and they respond?

You tried your best and failed miserably. The lesson is "Never Try."

by apk3000 on Jan 11, 2012 1:24 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Ha. Eureka! “SHOOOOOOT!” works!

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by J.P. on Jan 11, 2012 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I try to say “QUIT STANDING AROUND” and “MOVE YOUR FEET” but I think they just hear the “OOOO in MOOOOOVE” and shoot anyway.

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by SmallZ827 on Jan 11, 2012 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Be interested to see if Neil has shot rates for and against on the road vs at home.

It’s baffling to me how they look like such shit on the road.

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by fat_daddyo on Jan 11, 2012 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

On the PP (again, through 34 games): 1.71 shots per 2 minutes at home, 1.82 on the road.
On the PK: 1.86 shots against per 2 minutes at home, 1.75 on the road.

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by J.P. on Jan 11, 2012 2:13 PM EST up reply actions  

So… they’re just not getting saves or beating goalies on the road – pretty constant shot rates.

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by J.P. on Jan 11, 2012 2:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow, weird.

I’ll just put that down to small sample size variance? I hope, anyway.

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by fat_daddyo on Jan 11, 2012 2:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Solution: Staff needs to bring a bucket of crab cakes and Julia’s empenadas to each road game

by Brainumbc on Jan 11, 2012 12:06 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

I'm no pro, but..

This makes no sense to me. I can’t think that as a professional, that the rink means all that much.
Just tell them their playing in their building. A bit of the ol’ hypnotism may work.

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by caps&skins on Jan 11, 2012 12:10 PM EST reply actions  

fail

*they’re. (just one of the mistakes I want to correct here.)

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by caps&skins on Jan 11, 2012 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

well, at least they’re doing something right. now, if they could just figure the rest of it out.

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by RedBirdie on Jan 11, 2012 3:51 PM EST reply actions  

Travel is tiring?

I don’t think the answer is too difficult. I believe that travel is tiring. Most teams will have worse road records than home records and the same is true with NBA teams.

As discussed on here before, PP requires crisp passing to be successful in the NHL. PK requires energy to commit and adjust quickly. Any level of exhaustion related to travel is going to have an impact. Can anyone show a correlation to travel duration to PP/PK stats? That would be challenging because the skill of the opponent would also need to be taken into account.

If exhaustion is the factor, the real question then becomes why are the members of the Caps more tired on the road than other teams?

by BBinLP on Jan 11, 2012 4:04 PM EST reply actions  

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