Tuesday Caps Clips: Road Kill
Your savory breakfast links:
- Recaps and other assorted musings on last night's loss from us, Caps365 video (Hunter, Caps players), Vogs, Capitals Voice (audio), NHL.com, WaPo (gamer), WashTimes (gamer), CSNW (blog), Frankovic, Peerless, SB Nation DC, RMNB, KOL, DSP, Sick Unbelievable and hockey yelling.
- The Kings' Jack Johnson Tebowed after his goal. FML. [Puck Daddy, WashTimes, WaPo, DC Sports Bog]
- The Kings' Jack Johnson Tebowed after his goal. FML. [Puck Daddy, WashTimes, WaPo, DC Sports Bog]
- Notes and assorted whatnot from yesterday's morning skate:
- In general. [Caps365 video (Two-Man Advantage, Hunter), WashTimes]
- Nicklas Backstrom and Mike Green were sent back to D.C. prior to the game last night. Unfortunately for Backstrom, that's a lot of flying (for no game time) for a guy with an apparent head injury. [Dump 'n Chase, Capitals Voice (audio), WaPo, WashTimes]
- Thanks to my pal Danny Rouhier for putting me on the ol' radio again last night. [106.7 the Fan (audio)]
- Secondary scoring, where art thou? [WaPo]
- Either teams aren't fearing the Caps offense any more, or the schedule has just broken in a quirky way. Or both. [WashTimes]
- Another round of "What to do with Fifty-Two." [DSP]
- Alex Ovechkin is once again a primetime fantasy (and reality) player. Now the key is sustaining it... [Puck Daddy]
- ... otherwise, we're left asking the question with no right answer. [Peerless (also, the Winter Classic was pretty sweet)]
- January should be a pretty good month for the Caps. Starting... now! [Sick, Unbelievable]
- Nothing new - lots of eyes will be on the Caps in the second half. [NHL.com]
- The Caps have reassigned forward Danick Paquette (acquired, you'll recall, for Eric Fehr last summer) to Utah of the ECHL. "Unofficially, Danick had become a problem. One of those additions by subtraction kind of things." What a guy. [Rays the Roof]
- A look back at the Bears' outdoor game. [Stack the Pads]
- Hockey's Future names it's Prospect of the Month for December (hint: he's probably not Eric Francis's Prospect of the Month for December). [HF]
- Finally, happy 22nd birthday to Real American Hero John Carlson and happy 32nd to Rastislav Stana.
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So the Locals return from another West coast vacation. Hopefully, they are re-charged as they prepare to run a 3-game home gauntlet against the equally-depleted Penguins and the two teams that currently reside below them in the Southeast conference standings. Hopefully, they found time to brush up on their golf games between the faits accomplis. Coupla 5-2 losses: very Boudreau-prior-to his-firing-like.
by Acer Jonesy's Laughker on Jan 10, 2012 7:11 AM EST reply actions
I’d say the Pens are even more depleted. But they are a better team so I still expect it to be a battle.
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On the plus side, it’s usually not an opponent against whom the Caps have trouble getting in the right frame of mind to play.
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Boudreau’s biggest failure was not securing 82 games against the Pens!
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by Rob Parker on Jan 10, 2012 8:58 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
followed by three playoff rounds against the Rangers.
by kingbonehead on Jan 10, 2012 11:29 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Save for the last week of Boudreau’s tenure, it looks to me like the effort level has remained the same under Hunter. Is that fair to say?
And that’s really alarming. It may be an indictment of Hunter as a coach. It sure as hell doesn’t reflect well on the players themselves. I could understand an adjustment period. Continued don’t-give-a-shit hockey and giving up on games? No, that’s unacceptable.
It might be time for a white flag deadline this season.
by Kolzilla on Jan 10, 2012 7:13 AM EST via mobile reply actions
IOW, it wasn’t the coach.
"And as it’s my personal opinion, I’d appreciate not being told it’s stupid, thanks." - BeccaH
With Backstrom and Green out (yes, they are fine players) one really gets to see just how poor an offensive team this is. Teams can load up on Ovechkin, and no other line seems to step up with any reliability. I like Johansson’s decision to shoot on that first goal — good on him (the other was a tap-in garbage time goal). But they rest?
This is a rosterthat on paper is pretty good. Unfortunately, the on-ice version simply is not measuring up, and a coaching carousel is not going to change that. At some point, the folks picking the players have to be as accountable as the coaches.
The Kings and the Caps are two teams that are not bad, they have just played badly. But last night I saw in the Kings a team that no one is going to want to play in the spring. I can’t say that about the Caps. There is simply no edge to their game.
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I think you hit the nail on the head with respect to accountability for the player pickers. Maybe we’re not there quite yet, but it’s getting harder to conclude that while GMGM has done a good job accumulating talent, he hasn’t done a good job of building a “team”.
by Dirk Dangler on Jan 10, 2012 9:21 AM EST up reply actions
No, I don’t see it that way at all.
Still prone to bad periods of play? yes.
Same frequency? no.
And most importantly, IMO, the team seems to be playing more physical. I know that phrase is used a lot, but I really think it is true.
Hunter seems to understand that no matter how talented the offense, if a team isn’t anticipating a physical, hard game, they’re not going to fear the caps. And without any fear or reservation, people won’t be scared of the Caps, especially in the playoffs where you can’t have inferior teams feeling fully confident in their ability to beat you.
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Kudos, JP, for enlisting writers who try to put these losses in a positive light.
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I’d add a kudos to Kareem and Becca for staying up late to recap these two horseshit games. Must have been really painful (I know it was painful for me to stay up and watch them.)
by Dirk Dangler on Jan 10, 2012 9:22 AM EST up reply actions 11 recs
Horse shit may be too generous. Is there a worse shit? Maybe like elephant or cow?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 10, 2012 9:23 AM EST up reply actions
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Think the Caps quit at 3-1? Uh, yeah. As Becca put it in her recap:
The Caps have been pretty resilient of late, not appearing to give up when falling into a hole of any kind and often forcing comebacks. Tonight, though, they seemed to visibly deflate after the Kings’ third goal and never really had their skates under them for the rest of the game.
And the Fenwick timeline corroborates that in a big way:

Take that, stat geeks! The Caps have no use for your “score effect” theories!
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by J.P. on Jan 10, 2012 7:20 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
Going by Fenwick, two years ago, the Caps were mediocre with the score tied but still elite in other situations. Now, they’re strong with the score tied, but bad in other situations.
By no means do I think the score tied Fenwick is representative of the Caps’ score tied play in either case, but I find that interesting nonetheless.
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by red army line on Jan 10, 2012 7:43 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Caps one of the few teams I think that get outshot when trailing by two or more goals. No life. No ooomff. Just, bleh.
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by J.P. on Jan 10, 2012 9:02 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I have to say that these Fenwick timelines are so full of win.
by Dirk Dangler on Jan 10, 2012 9:23 AM EST up reply actions
Or, in this case, loss. But yes.
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I’m thinking that maybe Joe B and Locker need to stop talking about the opposition’s “troubles”. Not that they were the only ones, but everyone kept talking about how the Kings couldn’t score. Somehow, I had the feeling they’d hang four on the Caps last night. Never thought I’d have the under on that.
"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."
I must confess I didn’t watch the game last night (since staying up until 1:00 am and working the next day are not exactly compatible). Given the Caps’ track record against the Kings (and the fact they don’t do well against them) and the fact the Caps were w/o both Backstrom and Green, I didn’t have high expectations for their performance.
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Not too bummed out. We never, ever win out West.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 10, 2012 7:35 AM EST reply actions
If they are to win a Cup, at some point they are going to have to.
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Yup. Unless they play St. Louis or somebody ;) Gotta stay away from the Coast.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 10, 2012 7:38 AM EST up reply actions
The Blues haven’t won a Stanley Cup either so there would be our chance. Vancouver is another team I want the Caps to stay away from as well. Granted they’re not in the Pacific division but they are on the coast.
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Further to that, in between San Jose and LA the last time the Caps won at either place was 12/14/2005. Over all-time, the franchise has an 18-39-7 record at both rinks.
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by Bald Pollack on Jan 10, 2012 7:38 AM EST up reply actions
*check that, 18-41-7.
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by Bald Pollack on Jan 10, 2012 7:40 AM EST up reply actions
Wonder how much of that comes from the early days when the Caps shared the Norris(!) with LA, Pittsburgh, Detroit and Montreal.
That’s my second favorite division from that era. Nothing beats the awesomeness that is the Boston, Buffalo, Toronto, California Golden Seals Adams Division.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 10, 2012 7:41 AM EST up reply actions
2-13-1 during the Norris era (yeesh, I must be bored).
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by Bald Pollack on Jan 10, 2012 8:12 AM EST up reply actions
I say with realignment they should just do the ol’ George Thomas and mix em up. That would be fun. And awful if the Caps ended up with a bunch of teams from out West.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 10, 2012 8:24 AM EST up reply actions
The Caps used to be in a division with Montreal, Pittsburgh, LA and Detroit, back when they first were expanded into the league.
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jan 10, 2012 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
Seems the team shares in your shoulder shrug. If they are going to adapt that attitude, why not just treat threse as preseason games: call up a bunch of Bears, leave anyone injured at home and have a good time?
by Acer Jonesy's Laughker on Jan 10, 2012 7:49 AM EST up reply actions
Seems like they did that, sans Bears.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 10, 2012 7:52 AM EST up reply actions
Not too bummed out. We never, ever win out West.
I definitely expected more effort and that the Caps would come out with more fire than they did. I was hoping the winning streak would give this team an energy boost and hopefully some confidence so they don’t give up when, say, they go down 3-1. But once again, it’s one step forward, one step back with this team. It’s getting old.
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On the bright side, it’s better than two steps forward, and two steps back. Because then you end up with horrifying rapping cartoon cat.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 10, 2012 8:25 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
How's this, better?
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Crap. I forgot they did that bit.
Like most of those, I forget about them 30 seconds after they happen.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 10, 2012 2:57 PM EST up reply actions
You forgetting that reminds me of the time John Lithgow and I took Sarah Michelle Gellar’s kid to the zoo and left her in the reptile house.
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Still their finest hour
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 10, 2012 3:04 PM EST up reply actions
Also, don’t teams tend to get an energy boost initially when playing without top players? “Okay, boys, Backis and Green are out so let’s go out and play hard!” Fail.
by Dirk Dangler on Jan 10, 2012 9:26 AM EST up reply actions
Interesting reading the Wash Times article about how the Caps have faced so many teams’ backup goalies. It’s a depressing commentary.
So here’s the scorecard in that regard.
15 backup goalies faced. 8 wins, with 2 of them in OT. 6 regular losses, and 1 shootout loss. So will the Penguins put Johnson against us as well? They do play Ottawa tonight.
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Cox is such a fuckin’ troll…
@DamoSpin Maybe Leonsis should have stuck to hockey. And maybe he wasn’t so brilliant for locking up Ovechkin forever. . .
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by J.P. on Jan 10, 2012 7:42 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
What’s the opposite of rats fleeing a sinking ship?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 10, 2012 7:45 AM EST up reply actions
The first thing I thought of when I saw that is that Cox should stick to tennis. Then I thought, Imagine this team, right now, without Ovechkin (and with Green and Backstrom injured)…
28-21-20
25-90-42
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…ugh.
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And if anything happened to 28, things would be even worse! Double ugh!
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Clearly he’s the only one who cares about preventing goals – he was +2 last night!
by Twenty Seven Ninety on Jan 10, 2012 9:53 AM EST up reply actions
He’s bitter because no one wants to buy his book. He should be use to people making him look like an ass.
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by capsyoungguns on Jan 10, 2012 7:46 AM EST up reply actions
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by ThePeerless on Jan 10, 2012 8:47 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
In case you’re interested, the audio of me on Overtime with Danny Rouhier from last night.
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On Johnson Tebowing:
“I understand he’s just trying to be funny, but still it’s kind of a stupid celebration," Alzner said. "It’s like those teams in the world junior riding their stick giving high-fives across the bench."
I wonder if Alzner could come up with an idea on how to prevent stupid celebrations.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 10, 2012 8:53 AM EST up reply actions
The Lightning jumped Anisimov when he pulled that stunt after scoring a goal. The Caps complained to the media afterwards.
Did the ’Ning jump Ovechkin after Ye Olde Hot Stick?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 10, 2012 9:04 AM EST up reply actions
Exactly.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 10, 2012 9:06 AM EST up reply actions
They didn’t? Must have been the only ones.
Regardless, don’t like it, don’t let them score. Problem solved.
"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."
I don’t see the difference between Tebowing and any number of other accepted celebrations. People go down on one knee to celebrate goals all the time. Briere always does his move where he dips down and does an uppercut, AO has his drop to a knee, kiss his glove and point to the sky. I don’t see what the big deal is.
Also, Alzner has a problem with high fives across the bench? That’s done after literally every goal in the NHL.
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by Killer_Carlson on Jan 10, 2012 11:34 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Bottom line, finding fault with others’ celebrations is a little more difficult when you’re on the same team as Ovie
by DonnieKnutts on Jan 10, 2012 11:37 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Why should a celebration Ovie did a couple years ago affect this team’s attitude towards being shown up?
by Kolzilla on Jan 10, 2012 11:59 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I disagree. One player on your team acting in a way with which you disagree doesn’t mean you necessarily give up the right to disagree with similar action in the future.
I’m sure if someone followed up with, “What’d you think of Ovi’s ‘hot stick’ (even though you were in Hershey)?” he’d have had a similar feeling about it.
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It’s the “riding the stick” part he has a problem with.
Also, the difference is that Tebowing is a joke – something he thought would give his pals a laugh. And it was at the Caps’ expense.
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So if you don’t want to be Tebowed then don’t let Jack Johnson skate past your whole team and have an open look at the net and score. That was horrible D.
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Which was precisely my implication with “I wonder if Alzner could come up with an idea on how to prevent stupid celebrations.”
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Tell his D partner it’s 2010-11?
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by Rob Parker on Jan 10, 2012 11:42 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
He could Tell Schultzie it’s 2009-10 while he’s at it…
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by iwearstripes on Jan 10, 2012 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
Was the player in question riding the stick while also high fiving the bench? I didn’t see the celebration in question, but I read Alzner’s comment as referencing separate acts. I could be wrong.
And as others have said, I don’t think Tebowing shows up the Caps more than the goal against, or any other celebration really.
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by Killer_Carlson on Jan 10, 2012 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
Was the player in question riding the stick while also high fiving the bench?
Yup.
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That’s a bit different. And now reading Alzner’s quote again that was a reading comprehension fail on my part.
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by Killer_Carlson on Jan 10, 2012 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
Still, Tebowing is nothing like that buffoonery.
My point was simply that if it pisses you off that much (and you’ve already let ’em score), say something to the dude… not the crowd assembled at your stall after the game.
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Agreed on all counts.
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by Killer_Carlson on Jan 10, 2012 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
Related to that, seeing the shot of Sutter talking to him after the goal reminded me of this (:45).
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by Bald Pollack on Jan 10, 2012 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
Easiest way to prevent stupid celebrations is to keep the opponent from scoring goals…
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jan 10, 2012 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
has anyone ever seen a team that gives the puck away behind their own net more?
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by Alz in the family on Jan 10, 2012 8:57 AM EST reply actions
will they take Carlson, then? I cringed every time he weakly hit the puck behind the net.
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by Alz in the family on Jan 10, 2012 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
The “Washington Capitals Scratcher” being advertized on this site is not, as folks would assume, a lottery ticket, but an instrument to scratch various body parts as you sink into your recliner watching another late-night west coast exercise in futility.
If you've read this far...seek help.
Luckily it’s not a scratch-n-sniff…
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by J.P. on Jan 10, 2012 9:09 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
It’d be hilarious if you scratched off the #55 over and over to see if you won a prize.
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by iwearstripes on Jan 10, 2012 12:36 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Some perspective...
Losing two games to LA and SJS on the road by a combined score of 10-4? Sounds about right.
Since 2007-08, the Caps have gone 2-9 on the road against teams in the Western time zone. Against teams not named the Ducks, they’re winless. Over 4 1/2 seasons. For a team that has been a #3, #2, #1 and #1 seed in their conference respectively.
And their performance on the road against the Western Conference as a whole isn’t pretty either: Over the last 4 1/2 seasons, the Caps are 14-22, which comes out to 31 wins stretched over a whole season … which would be good for close to dead last in the NHL in terms of points. And that includes all the GOOD times for the Caps.
Here’s hoping the Caps don’t have to play the Western Conference if they end up in the Stanley Cup Finals.
Oh, right.
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by KNUUUUUUUUUUBLE on Jan 10, 2012 9:12 AM EST reply actions
The Southeast is now the only division in the lig where every single team has a negative goal differential. The closest is the Northwest, where everyone is negative except for Vancouver, who is +35, and the Pacific, where everyone is negative except for the Sharks, who are +23.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 10, 2012 9:30 AM EST reply actions
It’s becoming increasingly clear that Mike Green is unlikely to be fully healthy at any point this season. It’s also increasingly clear that the Caps minus Green are a decidedly mediocre team; possibly good enough to squeeze into the playoffs, but unlikely to do much damage once there.
If you’re GMGM, do you attempt to swing a major trade for a puck-moving defenseman, such as Lubomir Visnovsky? What if that trade costs you one of the Caps’ first-round picks in the upcoming draft? (As that’s likely what teams would be asking for, along with Evgeni Kuznetsov.)
Or do you look at this roster, see an underachieving group that’s less than the sum of its parts and decide not to mortgage the future for a shot this year?
Personally, I’m leaning toward the latter conclusion this year. I don’t think this current Caps team is a legitimate Cup contender this year, barring a miraculous turnaround and the sudden return to health of Mike Green. I think the Caps’ best bet this season is to hope that Mike Green’s injuries mean he’ll take a lowball one-year contract. That, combined with Semin at $7m being replaced by Kuznetsov at around $1m should give the Caps some room to make a major move or two.
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The latter. This team isn’t a contender with or without Lubo, and he’s not exactly having a great year either. Definitely would not be giving up two first round assets to make anything happen.
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Needs to include one of the big three or Etem, I’d say.
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by red army line on Jan 10, 2012 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
The Pierre McGuire fill-ins during the WJC? Is he nowhere near that good?
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by red army line on Jan 10, 2012 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
I dunno, Kuz was the best player at that tournament so I don’t see why you’d move Kuz for a guy that doesn’t look as good. Etem looks like a player but given the depth of the upcoming draft I think similar will be available with both picks (especially if neither the Caps nor Avs turn it on down the stretch).
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He’s a really nice kid, and his work ethic reminds me of Brooks Laich.
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by iwearstripes on Jan 10, 2012 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
Moreover, how would you use the salary cap space freed up my the (presumed) pay cut of Mike Green and the departure of Alex Semin?
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I haven’t really looked at the UFA list yet, but I assume the bidding will be cut throat and inefficient. The new CBA will obviously have a lot of impact on the course of action so I don’t know whether you can really draw up a road map yet but it’s clear a legit top 6 C has to be in the works. I’d hope COL tanks and then talk to them about Statsny.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 10, 2012 9:44 AM EST up reply actions
Hey, Cristobal Huet’s deal is finally up!
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 10, 2012 9:44 AM EST up reply actions
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 10, 2012 9:52 AM EST up reply actions
I would spend a lot of time targeting a top-pairing D to offset Green’s frequent absence/potential departure. I see the Caps building around 8-19 and their blueline moving forward and this current D corps doesn’t cut it.
I agree, and the obvious other hole is a strong 2C. The other change I’d like to see is to jettison our whole 4th line and fill it with Travis Moen/Brandon Prust types. I know putting blame on a 4th line that plays 8 minutes a night is perhaps a little silly, but the Caps need more grit/toughness and it’s hard to see where else to put those kinds of players without trading a softer top 6 forward such as Johannson.
by Dirk Dangler on Jan 10, 2012 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
I actually like the fourth line as it is right now. At least, with Halpern there, they can take hard (though nowhere near Malhotra) zone starts and can come out ahead, with a guy like Perreault providing some offense against easy competition.
This team is much, much closer to a skill, rush team than a gritty team. You can say the former didn’t really work, but I don’t think the former category inherently disadvantages a team in the playoffs (poor neutral zone play does).
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by red army line on Jan 10, 2012 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
The funny thing is that I think even if the Caps were to make some trades that would be perceived as re-tooling for next year, they still would have a decent shot at making the playoffs. I believe the team should be shopping Knuble, Schultz, Ward, and Vokoun. I don’t know if giving up one of the 1st round picks is the best idea in a deep draft, but if it solidifies the 2C spot for the next few years, I’m all for it. The problem is I don’t see a player that could fill that gap being available. At this point, I think they need to re-build the Young Guns. I’d clear as much cap space as possible, and make a run at Parise (if he hits FA) or Suter in the offseason.
by JimCareyFanClub on Jan 10, 2012 9:41 AM EST up reply actions
I would not recommend giving up either of our 1st round picks for your typical over the hill rental center. Only for a “bona fide”, approaching his prime type near star center. But, given that none will probably be available. The Caps have two basic holes, at 2C and in defense, when Green is gone.
I sincerely doubt that Parise will be available to us as a FA.
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The latter. Is there really any reason to believe this team is one piece away?
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It’s more than one piece away. That is clear.
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I agree with you, and here’s why that’s so upsetting:
In previous seasons, we could point to the Caps’ obvious roster holes. In any given year, they were typically: a second-line center, puck-moving defensive depth behind Mike Green, veteran “grinder” forwards with significant playoff experience, and a veteran presence in net.
Each year, the Caps have gone out and largely filled those holes. On paper, the Caps’ defense is as deep as its been since the rebuild began. Johansson and Laich aren’t perfect fits at #2C, but they’re better than anyone else since Fedorov’s departure (save for early 2009-2010 BMo). Vokoun is, on paper, the best goalie the Caps have had since in-his-prime Kolzig. Ward, Halpern, Chimera and Knuble give the Caps forward corps veteran experience and the ability to score some goals.
Given all that. . . what pieces are they missing? Where do you look at this team and say, “well, they obviously need _________.”
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by D'ohboy on Jan 10, 2012 9:57 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I’m just thrilled that “I agree with you, and here’s why that’s so upsetting:” wasn’t followed by “because you’re a fuckin’ idiot.”
I do think they still obviously need a 2C when Jeff Halpern is getting some minutes there. But I don’t think that’d be a silver bullet.
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Looking at the 2C situation, is Kuzy able to fill that void in the next season or two? Or is he destined to replace Semin at wing? In the end, I’d probably still try and acquire another legit option for 2C, as you can never have enough of them.
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Even for a talent like Kuznetsov, being a 2C at 21/22 is asking for quite a bit. I’d guess that only the lotto picks develop into contender 2Cs that fast.
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by red army line on Jan 10, 2012 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
Backstrom wasn’t “Backstrom” his first year. Kuznetsov is not going to be “Kuznetsov” in his first year, either.
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by ThePeerless on Jan 10, 2012 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
no snark, haven’t the Caps needed a 2C for six years now? what’s the holdup?
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by Big Boutros on Jan 10, 2012 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
Pretty much half the league is in need of a 2nd line center.
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by sydtron on Jan 10, 2012 11:16 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
At this point, it’s all mental. I don’t think the problem has been too much skill or too little grit, it’s been a lack of “let’s stop talking and go out there and effing do it”.
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by apk3000 on Jan 10, 2012 9:59 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Even I was down after two periods last night, but I don’t think we can throw the towel in just yet. I don’t know the answer to your question. Is it possible the Caps can make a run? Sure. Just as the Flyers did two years ago. We’re not that far back and haven’t even played half our games.
At the same time, I am not interested in mortgaging the future for a run, that much I agree with. One player will not put this team over the top. This team playing like a team will put it over the top. Show me in the next 20 games that you can pull it together, then we’ll talk about individual trades.
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I think the making a run argument is wishful thinking at this point. It’s not impossible, but highly unlikely, especially if Backstrom’s injury is bad. I don’t think playoffs are out of the question, but there a several glaring issues with this team that make me scratch my head and wonder why many people had the Caps down as a Stanley Cup favorite to start the year. The first is depth at forward. There’s no 2C, and when the top line is 8-19-28, there are no consistent scorers on the 2-4 lines. The 4th line is arguably a collection of 3 guys filling out a roster. I don’t really count Knuble as a 4th liner because I think he’s misused there. But how on earth is a line of 26-85-83 a good checking line? Beagle won’t fight for the rest of the year most likely, Matty P works his tail off, but he’s too small to be that checking center, and Hendricks is Hendricks. This line isn’t going to score you goals and they aren’t particularly good defensively. I know with Hunter they’re only getting a few minutes a night, but a 4th line needs to do more than that. They need to grind opposing teams down and shift the momentum in the Caps’ favor. Neither of which I have seen them do, or foresee them doing.
by JimCareyFanClub on Jan 10, 2012 9:53 AM EST up reply actions
It’s not impossible, but highly unlikely, especially if Backstrom’s injury is bad
All you need is Vokoun to play like he did in the first few games, or the few before this West coast trip. Unlikely, but not “highly” I’d say.
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by red army line on Jan 10, 2012 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
The fact is that we really have no idea until the playoffs start. We all would have said that it was “highly unlikely” that the St. Louis Cardinals would win the World Series.
This team is clearly not showing that it is Stanley Cup material. I would not trade either 1st rounder or mortgage the future in any way to win this year.
I have written multiple times here and in a Fan Post that preceded Boudreau’s firing that replacing a coach mid-season means you’ve written the season off. It is just too hard to put in new systems and remold the team during the season to fit the new coach. You need an off-season to do that. Bylsma and Laviolette were anomalies. I’m getting what I expected, and I look forward to next summer, when DH32 can put his stamp on this team’s make-up.
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It is just too hard to put in new systems and remold the team during the season to fit the new coach.
What about last year? Was the mid-season system change as drastic as this year’s? Was Bruce’s change a sort of neither-here-nor-there situation that left the team a bit in limbo?
by kingbonehead on Jan 10, 2012 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
I stand by my point. You can’t change systems in mid-season and expect them to take. With games often every other or every second day you are putting in new systems while trying to gain points in the standings. Summers and training camps are the times for new systems.
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Which brings us back to “Why didn’t they fire Bruce in the off-season?”
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Yes. Yes. That’s my point. Once they started the season with Boudreau, they had essentially decided his system was going to carry them far or not.
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They will live or die with Hunter and then give him a shot next season. Nothing new.
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Which system though? Did Bruce change again this off season to a “hybrid”?
I guess my point was that they have been in the middle of changing systems since Dec 2010. Probably not the entire issue with the team, but it certainly doesn’t help.
by kingbonehead on Jan 10, 2012 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
Possible? I guess. But look at that Flyers’ roster and compare it to what the Caps have. Other than goaltending (theoretically), that was a much deeper and talented team.
by Dirk Dangler on Jan 10, 2012 9:59 AM EST up reply actions
Was actually thinking about this this morning. I think the Caps shouldn’t give up a higher than a 3rd round pick/middling prospect at the deadline if the want depth to make a run, or if keeps going the way it has, trade assets for picks/players to help next year. If Dale is in this for more than this year, I have to think he and GMGM will spend quite a bit of time figuring out what kind of team Dale wants on the ice and acquire players to make that happen.
by Dirk Dangler on Jan 10, 2012 9:57 AM EST up reply actions
The Caps presumably acquired Dennis Wideman to fill that role when Green was on the shelf last season. If the Caps are going to add a defeseman, I do not think what they need is one of the Green/Poti/Wideman type but a more rugged type with some skill. The Caps just don’t seem to compete very well in front of their own net. They need to get a lot better in that regard. But I don’t think that asset is going to be available, nor make that much of a difference with this team. There is still the matter of that yawning chasm behind Backstrom in terms of center depth that has neither been adequately developed or acquired.
For 2011-2012, this is pretty much the team they’ve got. If they are going anywhere, they are going to have to find it from within. I’m not holding my breath.
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Several other (better) teams have SCARY amounts of cap room available this year, where the Caps do not. This is prolly not the year to try to go all in at the deadline.
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by EmilyB on Jan 10, 2012 10:01 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Can they bring Hannan back? I think his deal with Calgary was only for a year.
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It was, but is it worth it and would he fit this new D system? He didn’t look too good crapping all over himself on Wideman’s goal the other night.
by JimCareyFanClub on Jan 10, 2012 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
He’s got little left in the tank. Pass.
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Understood. I just wondered if the combination of familiarity, low cap hit with no long term commitment and that it probably wouldn’t take much to acquire him would make him an option for finishing out this season.
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Is there really familiarity at this point?
Also, he’s hurt.
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He knows at least half the guys in the room from last season, no? But I didn’t know he was hurt.
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He’s on IR after geting elbowed in the head in the 9-0 Beantown beatdown.
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Speaking of getting elbowed in the head, how concerned should I be that Nicky practiced on Friday, but hasn’t skated since?
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Moderately. But no real reason to get too worried for now.
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My only real issue is that the team (and Nick) was fairly certain it was a migraine triggered by the hit, particularly since he felt better the next morning. Everything pointed to that, up until he stopped skating. I still believe everything’s mostly precautionary, but if someone’s decided it’s a concussion, they need to say so, just for clarity. (And continued justification for Bourque’s suspension doesn’t hurt.)
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I know better than to do that.
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by Alz Well That Ends Well on Jan 10, 2012 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
I’ll be more concerned after tomorrow possibly. I was thinking about the “sent Green and Backstrom home early” so they don’t have to red-eye last night. If you know they are out for week+, that doesn’t get you anything, and maybe you don’t send them home then. If you think one or both might play v Pens, then it makes sense to save them the long night. Of course, that could be the hope that doesn’t pan out too.
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I’m starting to think that what might be best for the team would be a mini-rebuild. Trade TV, 22, 28, 6 for whatever picks and prospects that they can.
I’d rather see the team stronger next year than being buyers at the deadline, eaking into the playoffs and getting waxed by the Ranges or B’s.
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The latter. Unless this team goes on a miraculous run with the pieces in place in the next month, I’d start shopping Semin, Knuble, Schultz and really any other non-core assets. Even Vokoun if the price is right.
I think the Caps can put themselves in a position to reload quickly and change their identity in time for the start of next season and once again be competitive for several years, if they play their cards right.
If this team goes for a “mini-rebuild” or for a “re-load,” someone else should be calling the personnel shots. On paper, it is hard to argue with many of the moves made by George McPhee in the last few years, but sports is a bottom-line enterprise, and on-ice they have underperformed, this year quite badly. There is no one left to be “accountable” for what is going on.
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by ThePeerless on Jan 10, 2012 10:08 AM EST up reply actions
Is it possible that they haven’t underperformed at all (on the team level) and that, really, we’ve all over-estimated the actual talent level and have unrealistic expectations that have been goosed by a couple of big years?
The team’s PDO is a bit low, but Fenwick in close games is pretty good. The PP is actually very good and the PK decent, for the most part. Maybe this team is just… mediocre.
Not that that excuses the architects, of course.
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by J.P. on Jan 10, 2012 10:14 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think fans always overestimate the ability of the team they follow (Redskins Nation might lead the planet in that regard), and we admit to falling into that sinkhole from time to time. Up above I spread out four lines with Ovechkin and Backstrom out, and it does point to a shortfall in talent. The more I see the Caps this season, the more I am reminded of a team like the 06-07 Lightning. That was a team that made the playoffs (they lost in the first round), but once you got past Lecavalier, St. Louis, Richards, and Boyle (sound familiar?), the talent gap widened quickly to the next tier of players.
Alex Ovechkin had caught a lot of flak over the last few years for failures of a team that, once you get past the Young Guns, either simply has not performed or is simply not that good.
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by ThePeerless on Jan 10, 2012 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
It was easy to say this team had a lot of scoring depth when they had Fehr and Flash as depth forwards. And when Knuble wasn’t 40 years old.
They’ve basically replaced the former two with Ward and Johansson. Marcus has been utterly disappointing in all areas of his game given what they were hoping (realistically or not).
Ward has been decent for a defensive-minded F (good for a 4th liner, so-so for a 3rd liner), but it’s pretty hard for fans to accept that he’s having a big impact especially given that the team stuggles as a whole defensively.
Marcus has been utterly disappointing in all areas of his game given what they were hoping (realistically or not).
I think that’s a little harsh.
If either of those guys has been “utterly disappointing,” it’s Ward.
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I guess. But MoJo’s on pace for ~19 goals as a second-year (in NA) player. I’d like to see more in terms of possession and playmaking, but I think we’ve been spoiled by some of the immediate successes of other players on the roster.
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Yeah, his possession stats are underwhelming but he’s on a higher goal scoring pace than most people anticipated. We’ll see if it keeps up but I haven’t been that disappointed with his play.
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I think he’s been disappointing if you are in the camp that hoped he’d be decent at filling the 2C slot this season.
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I guess it depends on what you mean by that. I thought he could hold his own if Semin was holding his own, but never expected him to be the engine of that line. I still think that.
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Exactly. I’ve said it a million times, but when you’re paying a second-line winger $6.7m, you’re expecting him, and not the center, to carry that line. It may be a flawed way to structure a line, but that’s the expectation.
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What’s the max contract you’d offer Semin this offseason, or would you let him walk regardless of price just to change the the vibe of the locker room?
by JimCareyFanClub on Jan 10, 2012 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
I think I’d use that money elsewhere. Obviously there’s a number, though, at which I’d take him back. Maybe $4.5m – I’d have a hard time paying him more than Laich, b/c I don’t think he’s as valuable to the team right now and it’s time to bring some sanity back to the salary structure.
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It’s time to bring some sanity back to the salary structure.
How do you do this with the other-crazy-GMs-throwing-money-at-the-guy factor? Just wait ’til it all dies down and find the Hannans that slip through? Never sign another UFA?
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For a long time, the Sabres were rigid in keeping their salary structure relatively reflective of the players’ values. It cost them a few guys who they let walk, but they were also a damn good team for those years.
Then it all got away from them and they are where they are.
To your point, it’s tough not to “overpay” free agents as things keep escalating, but you’ve gotta ask yourself – is Alex Semin as valuable to this team, annually, as Nick Backstrom? Hard to make that argument (and I know there’s a lot of value in Backstrom’s term vs. Semin’s, but dollars are dollars and guys look at things like that).
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I’m totally on-board with the sentiment that Alexander Semin is overpaid, and I wouldn’t bring him back on an identical 1yr/$6.7M. And on an emotional level, he’s so frustrating that I’m not sure he’s worth it, whatever the pay-cut. (Which, why would he take one if another team is willing to give him his $6.7M? Maybe they aren’t.)
But I’m not sure it’s “overpay Semin” v. “pay two or three other guys something reasonable.” I think it’s more likely to be “overpay Semin” v. “overpay two other guys a la Ward and Hamrlik.”
Either way, GMGM is going to have to hit (and pretty hard, I should think) on next year’s two firsts. I’m not sure that he can just reach outside the organization and fix his problems, at this point.
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It shows that you need to build from within and that the better teams will have their Top 6 forwards under team control. At this point, if another team wants to offer Semin more years and more than 5 million a year, let them. Semin is what he is, and he’s not changing. That being said, he’s so talented, he’s worth taking a chance on for about 4.5 million and playing on the second line. But the days of him being relied on to carry a line are over. If the Caps can continue to build and develop talent, then they won’t be forced to take risks with guys like Semin or overpay in FA. Obviously though, that’s easier said than done, and that’s where the onus falls on GMGM.
by JimCareyFanClub on Jan 10, 2012 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
I imagine a lot of how this offseason shakes out will depend on what the Caps do in net going forward. Do you bring Vokoun back or sign a different veteran goalie to start? Or do you commit to Neuvy and go with Holtby or a lower cost vet as backup?
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Yep. That tandem to start ‘12-’13 is looking a lot less favorable than it was at the end of the ‘10-’11 regular season.
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And if Neuvy/Holtby can’t be relied on to carry the load next season, that’s a major indictment on GMGM.
Why? He continues to draft goalies but generally not burn high picks on them. He has kept the pond stocked with many options. He moved a guy that was injury prone and by all accounts refused to return, and he got a very nice return. Goalies are fickle, how is this an indictment of him?
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Agreed. If these two crap out, grab a free agent. It’s not like the market isn’t flooded with adequate goaltenders.
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He got a great return on Varly, granted. But going 0/2 on Holtby and Neuvirth wouldn’t be problem for the organization? Just ask Columbus how not developing a goalie has worked out.
Not developing a G isn’t what screwed CBJ – hitching their wagon to the wrong guy is.
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by J.P. on Jan 10, 2012 11:40 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
And GMGM didn’t hitch his wagon to one guy. He’s used a mid-round pick almost every year to get a goalie and most of them have shown some promise. Someone will pan out. It’s not like he traded Luongo and drafted DiPietro with the first overall pick in the same draft where Lundqvist went in the 7th round.
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Exactly. It’d be a much bigger indictment for them to sign Holtby and/or Neuvy to longish deals and for them to fail than for them to fail and the Caps to move on from them.
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What if they do end up being as good as we thought they were, but not ‘til ’13-’14? I’m not sure whether it’s “they aren’t ready yet” or “this guy’s not actually good,” so I’m not quite ready to indict him on that count, just yet.
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And Grubauer is lighting it up in the ECHL. Goalies are best done by volume, and the Caps have that.
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With the lack of offense and puck possession time for this Caps team, I’m not sure it really matters who is in net. If you put a good team in front of either Neuvirth or Holtby, I think they’re both adequate enough to take you on a run through the playoffs.
by JimCareyFanClub on Jan 10, 2012 11:21 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It’ll be tough to tell on Neuvy if he doesn’t start getting more games under Hunter.
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Vokoun would cost a lot more than GMGM would want to pay considering how little in comparison he would pay Neuvy and Holtby. Vokoun is looking for a better deal. I don’t think $4 million would cut it considering he made nearly $6 million in Florida. And it depends on whether he’s happy in DC. Can’t let Neuvy be backup forever and can’t keep Holtby in Hershey much longer.
by jopierce on Jan 10, 2012 12:28 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
What makes Laich as valuable as Semin?
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by nogoodtrying on Jan 10, 2012 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
Nearly as many points, more shots, more PP goals, far fewer PIMs, and eating more time on ice for starters. That’s not even going into any fancy stats.
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far fewer PIMs
This is the big one, for me. Spending more time on the right side of the penalty differential is something literally every team needs more of. When Semin is changing the game, you live with it. When he isn’t (and while he’s been better recently, he isn’t), it’s a dagger.
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by Knee high to a duck on Jan 10, 2012 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
Are all of those stats better than Semin’s stats THIS season or cumulatively?
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by nogoodtrying on Jan 10, 2012 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
Definitely not cumulatively.
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by Knee high to a duck on Jan 10, 2012 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
Right. So I’m really not sure I agree that they are equally valuable. I’d trade Laich before Semin any day.
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by nogoodtrying on Jan 10, 2012 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
I’d say Laich is more valuable. For the last 2 seasons, Semin’s production has taken a nosedive, and his penalties have increased. Last season, he had 54 points (his 3rd lowest total) and 71 PIMs (his third highest). He’s on pace for about 40 points and 80 PIMs this season.
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by J.P. on Jan 10, 2012 1:42 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
I agree with you there. He shouldn’t have been expected to be the engine on the 2nd line, but I do think the fact that he’s been bumped to the wing and Halpern is now centering the 2nd line is disappointing, at least to me.
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And that being said, if it doesn’t look like he’s going to be the answer at 2C and you are committed to Brooks at 3C, I think it makes MJ90 a trade candidate.
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Theoretically everyone is a trade candidate, but I wouldn’t have Mackan on the block. It’d have to be a really good player coming back to move him.
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Exactly… He’s 21, has a cheap cap hit, and has the ability to move up in a pinch and play with Ovechkin. He’s not getting moved unless it’s in a package for someone like Bobby Ryan that’ll be part of the new core.
by JimCareyFanClub on Jan 10, 2012 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
Absolutely, I definitely wouldn’t give him away, but you generally have to give up something good to get something good. I wouldn’t hesitate to give him up if it helped bring back a legit 2C or a strong D, Ryan Suter for example.
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Sure, but Ryan Suter is UFA so I wouldn’t do that trade unless the team knew they could lock up Suter to an extension.
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And that being said, if it doesn’t look like he’s going to be the answer at 2C and you are committed to Brooks at 3C
I wonder if it may be better to put Laich back at wing and find a Jay McClement-type cheap, defensively-responsible 3C. I think he’s better at wing, unfortunately.
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by red army line on Jan 10, 2012 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
Also, Laich has been the 2C all season. I think that’s what really distresses me – Mackan and Semin have faced noticeably easier circumstances this year than last and neither one of them is taking advantage of that.
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by Knee high to a duck on Jan 10, 2012 12:28 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This is the killer right here. When fed easy minutes with soft zone starts, Mackan and Semin have been decidedly mediocre.
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by D'ohboy on Jan 10, 2012 12:47 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I’d say only one person has been decidedly mediocre of that pair.
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I’m willing to give Mackan a pass, since he’s 20 and in his second season. On the other hand, his possession numbers have been BRUTAL for two straight years, despite getting fed juicy minutes.
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Well, I can excuse him for last year; he got thrown in the deep end in terms of who he had to play against and he got better as the year went on.
I’m lost for answers on this year.
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by Knee high to a duck on Jan 10, 2012 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
Another thing about MoJo is that he was basically thrust into being the 2C for this team. He didn’t have the luxury of someone like Tyler Seguin to get his feet wet by playing on the wing. I thought he had a decent game last night, and that’s looking at other things besides the two goals. He won some key faceoffs against Stoll, and I thought he did a solid job of backchecking.
by JimCareyFanClub on Jan 10, 2012 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
He’s on pace for some decent offensive numbers but his strength on the puck has left a lot to be desired and his defense hasn’t improved. I think he’s doing well considering his age/lack of big league experience but relative to what GMGM seemed to be hoping for, I’d say he’s been a let down.
MJ is also going to benefit from playing his formative NHL years in a more rigid system than AO, AS. His NHL career will not be built on a foundation of creative fast-break play-making fluff.
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Agreed. I viewed the Ward acquisition as the Caps are pay 3 million a year just for his impact April through June. But that point is moot if the team can’t even get there. I’d really think about moving him if someone is willing to take on that contract, then using his salary in a different place.
by JimCareyFanClub on Jan 10, 2012 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
Ward’s role under Hunter has been puzzling. He’s not killing penalties, he’s not generating anything offensively, he hasn’t looked particularly difficult to play against… he’s the black Jeff Schultz!
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by J.P. on Jan 10, 2012 10:35 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I always had a problem with the notion that GMGM got Ward specifically for the postseason. What about the regular season? He hasn’t been too helpful in that regard.
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No one gets anyone solely for the playoffs. Ward has underperformed. Period.
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This is the conclusion that I’m increasingly coming to.
Still, I know I’ve been beating this drum all season, but the “fault” lies with the young guns in my opinion. This team is built around them and their offensive abilities. All the ancillary moves in the world don’t replace the production lost from Ovechkin, Semin and Green.
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Yep. Team looks a lot worse when Ovechkin scores 30something than 65. (Not that 65 from Ovi should be necessary.)
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Yeah, but 45 from Ovie, 30 from Semin and 20 from Green would make an enormous difference in this team’s performance to date.
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Do they play a system that’s really capable of producing those numbers? The shot generation under Hunter is woeful.
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Is it the system, or the fact that the Young Guns seem to (largely) be playing like shit?
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Ovechkin is getting hemmed in as soon as a decent puck-possession line gets out against him. I think you could look at that as costing the team a few shots right there, to start.
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by red army line on Jan 10, 2012 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
I’m not sure. This system shouldn’t necessarily be as bad as it has looked. In theory, the system isn’t all that different from what the Caps were playing in the latter half of last year, and their Fenwick/Corsi scores at that time weren’t this bad. Moreover, the change from a more passive zone to a pressure man-to-man system in the defensive zone ought to decrease shots against. In theory.
This team is just a mess all over right now. It’s hard to point at one or two things and say “fix that and the problems are solved.”
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by D'ohboy on Jan 10, 2012 11:16 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
The 5 on 5 play has been the most frustrating thing thus far. Very little offensive zone time, and when the players cycle the puck down low, they rag about 10-15 seconds off the clock, then turn the puck over. In transition, players look for a shot from the wing at the top of the circles, and auto clear the puck, then defensemen are content with just dumping the puck back in deep and relinquishing possession. GMGM was tasked with making this team grittier and I think he did the best he could. He brought in Brouwer and Ward, resigned Laich, yet it seems like this team constantly loses battles around the boards.
When the Caps aren’t playing, I try to watch the Blackhawks on GameCenter. They’re a team that thrives on puck possession, and man for man, I think the Caps are just about equal in talent as they are when healthy. Instead of their D-men giving up possession, and dumping the puck in they’ll pull the puck back out to get a line change, then make their move offensively with fresh players on the ice. The Caps have d-men capable of handling and moving the puck, and I don’t think it’s unreasonable for the team to employ a strategy similar to the Blackhawks.
by JimCareyFanClub on Jan 10, 2012 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
Bingo. You live with 9.5m in a wing if he’s putting up 45/55/100 and you’re happy with it if he’s putting up 55/55/110, all while driving shot differential. You’re getting pulled to the bottom of the Volga by him if he’s putting up 35/45/70 and not pulling his weight in possession. It looks like the Lecavalier contract, except worse.
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by Knee high to a duck on Jan 10, 2012 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
I meant to type 35/35/70, but yes.
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by Knee high to a duck on Jan 10, 2012 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
If we’re overestimating anything, it’s the mental talent of the players. That being said, after seeing Bylsma turn the Pens from a mediocre into an elite possession team, Laviolette turn the Flyers from mediocre to very good, Lemaire turn NJ from above average to elite, Hitch improve the Blues from elite to eliter, and Sutter having improved the Kings’ possession numbers in the few games so far, I think the right coach goes a long way.
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by red army line on Jan 10, 2012 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
I, for one, have never overestimated this team’s mental fortitude.
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by J.P. on Jan 10, 2012 12:18 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
What about it’s mental verisimilitude?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 10, 2012 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
They lost me on that measure when they coughed up a series to Montreal. This team does not do “adversity.”
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by ThePeerless on Jan 10, 2012 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
It’s strange that, in the span of two years, the Caps went from the insane “lose a game and you’re out” run of 07-08 to the seven-game slugfests of 08-09, both of which required at least a modicum of intestinal fortitude, to the utter collapses of 09-10 and 10-11.
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MAF stoning AO on a breakaway: the defining moment/turning point of the modern Caps?
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I’d actually point to the first 10 minutes of Game 5 vs. MTL as the defining moment(s) of the modern Caps.
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Defining moment? I buy that. Turning point? Corvo’s slapper, Green hitting the post, the MAF save on Ovechkin could all be looked at as turning points.
Yep. If 8 buries that breakaway… who knows?
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Even if he does, they could still end up losing that game. And I think that was a strong possibility. Pens beat the holy living hell out of them for the entire series.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 10, 2012 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
And Varly’s glove hand was in full on meltdown mode. I think they lose anyway if he buries that.
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Well, yeah, with that attitude.
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He is a one-trick pony, mind you.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 10, 2012 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
The Knuble borderline interference call that wiped out the tying goal in Game 7 against the Canadiens? That game is tied, the crowd behind us, maybe we survive?
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No need for that if Semin doesn’t hit the crossbar on an open net early on.
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by red army line on Jan 10, 2012 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
That’s definitely up there on the turning point scale.
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I just looked at the box score of that game and am really depressed. Bad memories:
- MTL goal with 30 seconds left in 1P (on the PP after a Mike Green cross check)
- We outshot them 42-16, including 18 shots in 3P.
- We had a power play for the last 1:44 of the game.
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Moreover, how does a team comprised in large part of former Hershey Bears players – a team with a winning mindset if ever there were such a thing – display so little of that attitude once they reach the NHL?
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Those guys aren’t in leadership positions? Aren’t vocal enough? Aren’t numerous enough any more?
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Laich, Green, Carlson, Alzner, Schultz, Neuvirth, Perreault, Beagle. (Hendricks if you count that.)
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No letter-wearers (though Laich and Alzner presumably do some leading), not necessarily a vocal group (save Laich), and with Gordon, Steckel, Fleischmann (and Boudreau and Woods) gone, they’re less numerous.
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I referred specifically to leadership positions. Is every position on the roster a leadership position? Maybe to a certain extent. But I don’t think the same level of leadership is expected of, say, Matthieu Perreault as of Mike Knuble.
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Of course not. It’s because of experience, contract situation, the letter… any number of things that put him in “a leadership position” that Perreault isn’t in.
Whom of Laich, Green, Carlson, Alzner, Schultz, Neuvirth, Perreault and Beagle is in “a leadership position”?
Laich. Green, I suppose. Alzner probably. Anyone else?
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Nope. And I’m not even sure Alzner has the cache to lead the core of this team yet.
I’m also afraid if Green’s leading, whose following?
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Recently? Backstrom. Semin gave it a try over the weekend too.
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by iwearstripes on Jan 10, 2012 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
Not “mental fortitude”…more like “ability to learn a system and not play it terribly”
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by red army line on Jan 10, 2012 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
That being said, after seeing Bylsma turn the Pens from a mediocre into an elite possession team, Laviolette turn the Flyers from mediocre to very good, Lemaire turn NJ from above average to elite, Hitch improve the Blues from elite to eliter, and Sutter having improved the Kings’ possession numbers in the few games so far, I think the right coach goes a long way.
For the Kings, it’s not entirely a Sutter phenomenon, since they turned those numbers around under the interim coach; but I agree with your assessment. The wrong type of coach (like Murray) won’t get the most out of the talent he is given.
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by Alz in the family on Jan 10, 2012 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
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by Killer_Carlson on Jan 10, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
From Craig Custance insider blog:
I was curious as to how dealing with Getzlaf as his captain was different than dealing with Alex Ovechkin, and Bruce Boudreau pointed out a key difference in their leadership styles. “Ovi is a leader by just his play,” Boudreau said. “Where Ryan has been a leader by his play plus his ability to communicate.”
Boudreau said that there have been moments during the Ducks’ struggles that Getzlaf has approached Boudreau with an offer to address the team. “The other day he said ‘Do you want me to talk to them?’ Alex wouldn’t say that. He wouldn’t feel comfortable,’” Boudreau said.
I don’t think that one style versus the other is inherently better or worse… if the leading by example is actually being done.
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by J.P. on Jan 10, 2012 11:11 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
agreed. It’s a language barrier more than anything, too. Just thought it was of interest.
by DonnieKnutts on Jan 10, 2012 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
To be fair, Ovechkin is doing a better job of that lately but if he’s really not being vocal in the locker room then his performance as Captain to date looks bad.
Not sure how that’s the case. If he’s not a vocal leader, he’s not a vocal leader. Not all captains are.
But if he’s a lead-by-example guy who isn’t leading-by-example, then his performance as captain looks bad.
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I feel like judging the effectiveness or ability of a captaincy is very difficult for fans.
We can only look at W/L and goals scored.
As you say, if Ovie’s scoring goals, we’re inclined to say he’s a good captain. If not, we question it.
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But it’s actually easier when the guy’s a reputed “lead-by-example” captain – you can see the example right in front of you and don’t have to guess at what’s being said behind closed doors (though, to be fair, there’s a lot of example-setting that goes on off-ice).
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But who knows about the psychology of his teammates.
Ovi might not be scoring but the effort is there almost every night.
Is it goals that inspires your teammates? Effort? Hits? How upset you get after losses.
I don’t know. Seems extremely nebulous unless you’re in the locker room.
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Ovi might not be scoring but the effort is there almost every night.
Yeah, I think you’ll find some disagreement with that statement.
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I mean, when is he not flying around and cracking skulls?
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Related to today’s read-worthy discussion on whether the Caps should rebuild, do you think Dale Hunter should be part of the Caps’ plans moving forward?
I have to say I’m not all that impressed with what I’ve seen so far. It seems he’s failed to get through to the team insofar as changing their mindset and approach to games. It seems he’s installed a defensive scheme that may take years to adjust the personnel to, like when the Redskins installed the 3-4.
That said, let’s see what he does through April.
If the Caps miss the playoffs, or the team flails in the postseason (i.e. loses 4-1 in the first round), I suspect you’ll see a coaching change. And I half-suspect that Randy Carlyle might end up behind the bench.
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Zero chance this regime fires a coach after a partial season.
Zero.
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There is the matter of whether Hunter would want to come back if his contract is expiring after this season and next season is up in the air, either for lack of a CBA for the league, or just where this team is going.
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by ThePeerless on Jan 10, 2012 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
While it’s still too early to definitively judge his tenure, the early returns haven’t been good. He looks like he’s shoving square pegs into round holes. Improving the team defensively is one thing, but this team has all but abandoned its ability to control the puck.
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But he inherited a bunch of pegs meant for someone else to play with. Shouldn’t there be at least one off-season to get his type of player in the lineup?
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In theory, yeah. In reality, if this team shits the bed and misses the playoffs, I’m not sure he or GMGM get that chance.
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Somewhat related, the Wiz are almost definitely going to fire their head coach and most likely their GM. Can Ted fire three coaches and two GMs in ~5 months?
Theoretically, they should all be independent decisions. But in reality, do you think he wants to be “Crazy Ted who fires everyone”?
I also think GMGM is safe through the summer anyway, but that’s because I assume that then Bruce was fired, GMGM said to Ted, “Look, we can do this what I believe to be the right way (Hunter) or hope for some magical quick fix (some retread). But if we go the former route, it ain’t happening overnight.” So if Ted greenlit Dale, part of the assumption had to be a longer leash for him and GMGM than if they’d hired, say, Mike Keenan.
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by J.P. on Jan 10, 2012 11:35 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
To be fair to Ted in firing the Wiz GM, I haven’t seen a contract in hockey as bad as the one Grunfeld signed Arenas to. The only thing that really comes to mind is the Yashin deal, but he wasn’t dealing with rehabbing a reconstructed knee at the time.
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by Knee high to a duck on Jan 10, 2012 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
But didn’t the team strategies need to be completely rebuilt?
They weren’t going anywhere with puck possession, fast break goals, and little else.
Hunter is seeing if these guys can learn something new. A hybrid of the old & new regimes.
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For sure, but they’re learning a new way to build puck possession, IMO.
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are they? some of the public comments by hunter and the players indicate they are being taught to give up possession by dumping and chasing.
I don’t think the goal of dumping and chasing is to not get the puck.
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well that’s exactly what happens. you give up possession with the hope of recovering it. sometimes it is the best option, but usually not. and i’m not sure that either hunter is capable of teaching the difference or that the players are capable of learning. i’d much rather see the system taught as, if you can’t enter the zone with possession, then regroup and try again.
Possession of lining up the off-wing with a lot of speed so he can crush the D on a cross-corner dump-in. The Pens do that beautifully.
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by Knee high to a duck on Jan 10, 2012 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
If you can’t enter with possession, dumping it in hard and forcing the defense to turn their back to the play to retrieve, attacking with pressure and hoping to cause a turnover in a prime scoring area is a MUCH better play than trying to loop back through a crowded neutral zone to “regroup” when in fact it is very likely the puck will be stripped or knocked away. The only time you would peel back and regroup is on a power play.
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by Alz Well That Ends Well on Jan 10, 2012 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
Not necessarily. It really depends on where your D are positioned in the neutral zone to receive a pass coming backwards. Nothing wrong with dropping into your own zone again if you can maintain control and start moving back in.
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by Knee high to a duck on Jan 10, 2012 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
I agree with this; I didn’t explain well enough that too frequently, our D are joining the rush and then we get bogged down in the neutral zone, so a pass back to our D is still higher than the blue line. With 3 opposing forwards clogging the lanes, the puck isn’t getting through.
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by Alz Well That Ends Well on Jan 10, 2012 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
right, there are times it is better. do you see the caps doing this? because i don’t. i see some players constantly dumping when they shouldn’t, and some players constantly trying to dangle into the zone when they shouldn’t. there doesn’t seem to be any situational awareness, and i don’t know if it’s the teacher or the students. the quotes from gormley’s article last week certainly indicate that there is some confusion amongst the players, although i guess it could have been gormley asking confusing questions. either way, either the current system is bad, or it’s not being implemented well.
The whole thing shouldn’t be binary – it’s part of a chess match of move/counter-move.
If the opponent wants to keep tight gaps and stand you up at the blue line, you dump the puck over his head and force him to go get it. Keep doing that often enough and their defense will start to creep back off the blue line, which should allow you to start gaining the zone with possession.
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Guess I’m not as pessemistic as a lot of the comments in this thread and last night’s gamer.
I see flashes of where this team could be. Of doing the things it needs to do to take the talent that’s there and convert it into a playoff winner.
yes there are roster holes, and like every other team in the league is dependent on good goalie play, but I feel like Hunter gets it.
He sees this roster’s flaws and its assets and is trying to make up for the former.
I think he’s starting with the defense-outward. Installing a new system. A new way of building an attack. It’s unlike anything most of these players have done in the pros.
I don’t know. The losses hurt, but I’m still very interested to see if/how the team develops going forward.
Hunter seems to be concerned with the same criticisms that a lot of us fans have had the last few years:
- defensive responsibility
- physicality
- playing and winning ‘playoff hockey’.
I read a quote recently, don’t remember from who. Maybe Chimera or Laich, who said Hunter keeps telling them not to go for quick rush goals b/c those aren’t the goals that are going to be there in the playoffs.
Honestly after the last two years, that one idea is complete music to my ears and ameliorates a lot of my concerns for the time being.
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The losses hurt, but I’m still very interested to see if/how the team develops going forward.
The losses don’t necessarily bother me. What bothers me is that the Caps don’t seem to be playing better under Hunter than they were playing under Boudreau. Their possession numbers are worse, they’ve just been buoyed by some good goaltending. And even with that, they’re barely .500.
The trend lines for this team are terrible, regardless of the win/loss record.
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I’m wary of judging the team this early into Hunter’s tenure.
It is almost inarguable that Boudreau’s system and abilities had been completely maxed out. with this franchise.
I feel like Hunter’s feet have barely hit the ground.
Whether I’m giving too much leeway or too much benefit of the doubt, who knows.
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That post would’ve seemed appropriate maybe a week ago, but if you watched the last two games—or maybe you did and saw something I didn’t—you’d probably feel a little worse. The team looks like it has regressed.
by DonnieKnutts on Jan 10, 2012 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
Seems like too small of a sample size (both the two games, and Hunter’s tenure) to judge.
I watched most of the SJ game, and the first half of yesterday’s game.
I feel like Hunter was brought in to teach these guys new hockey ideas, so it might take a while.
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“It might take a while” might fly in Columbus, but not here.
by DonnieKnutts on Jan 10, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
what are you going to do – fire him if they miss the playoffs?
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Either that or wholesale changes to the roster.
by DonnieKnutts on Jan 10, 2012 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
How long is a while? I guess we’re stuck with this through the end of the season. . . so . . . April?
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at least one off-season and part of next season?
are people really ready to move Hunter towards chopping block? or blowing up the roster outside of 8-19?
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Like I said above. . . there’s no single thing you can point to right now and say “fix this and all your problems go away.”
The Caps are going to be staring at some very hard decisions come May if this season keeps going this way.
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But I don’t think the coach is one of those decisions. I think Hunter has a pass on this season, for the most part.
Nice guys finish first, but sometimes the season is awfully long.
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So James Neal only has a bone bruise. Playing tonight against Ottawa.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 10, 2012 12:02 PM EST reply actions
Damn, those Penguins catch all the breaks on injury luck!
Also, I hadn’t realized that the Caps get them tomorrow night on the back-end of a b2b.
No. Excuses.
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Adams is playing tonight too. There was concern about his knee.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 10, 2012 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
that team has gone from “EVERYTHING IS FINE! NOTHING TO SEE HERE!” with injuries to “ZOMG! THE SKY IS FALLING!” I’ve got whiplash.
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Between this broken foot/not a broken foot thing, and letting Sid play with a concussion against TBL, Pittsburgh’s medical and training staff is not making a good name for itself.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 10, 2012 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, how do you let a star player get elbowed in the face, return him to the game, practice him the next day, fly him across the country, and then realize he’s hurt and send him back home?
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by Rob Parker on Jan 10, 2012 12:48 PM EST up reply actions 8 recs
Hey, made me laugh.
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Glad I dropped him when he was going to be out “4-6 weeks”. Need to vulture him back once the waiver period expires.
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by Alz Well That Ends Well on Jan 10, 2012 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
Ron Caron 1929-2012
Former STL GM Ron Caron, whose nickname was “The Old Professor”, has passed away at age 82.
He was the ass’t GM in MTL during their 70s heyday. And he took over the Blues GM spot in 1983 and held that spot for 10 years. Caron was instrumental in bringing such players to St Louis as Doug Gilmour, Brett Hull and Adam Oates.
Bob McKenzie tells a story about Caron and how during draft day, TSN’s Gord Miller asked Caron how he got a certain player in the third round. In a gravelly, french accented voice Caron replied “Well, Gord, that’s because no one took him in the first or second round.” Then he cackled.
A small story the Globe and Mail’s Eric Duhatschek wrote on Caron in 2007
On the whole concussions getting worse from flying topic, I saw my neurologist today for migraines and asked him about concussions and flying. This is Dr. David Katz in Bethesda. He said flying can make a concussion worse but only for a day, maybe two. It won’t cause long term or permanent damage in someone with a concussion. But flying can also cause migraines, really anything with a change in air pressure (flying, going to high altitude, weather changes due to storms). The air pressure change leading to migraines is not a trigger for all patients with migraines though. If your migraines are in a better phase, less triggers will affect you, but in a worse phase, you can have more migraine triggers.
2011-12 Carlzner 5v5 scoring chance%, 10-game moving average

Red dot is the first 10-game set that is soley under Hunter.
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by NGreenberg on Jan 10, 2012 12:40 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
How does the team as a whole look under Hunter?
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And on Pekka Rinne's PK SV% dropping under .920 by the end of the '12 season
by Knee high to a duck on Jan 10, 2012 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
added Corsi QoC

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I am not sure. After seeing this I am going to look a bit deeper and post on WaPo.
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Systems analysis post from Bourne
Love this kinda stuff
by kovachs on Jan 10, 2012 12:41 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
God what a disaster by Wideman. Nice man-to-man…
And per the discussion just above, I’m afraid we’ll see that Wideman is getting a lot of tough minutes from DH, but I hope not.
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That is some brilliant stuff right there. It shows how the Caps went from great coverage to a goal against in under 5 seconds.
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I personally tend to doubt it. Even before the goal was scored, I bet Wideman knew he’d fucked up. And without 100% attention to detail 100% of the time, those moments are going to happen. Is that level of focus realistic with this group?
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Of course it is. Here we have, as any competent person would conclude, a team that…
..oh, look at the kitty.
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by ThePeerless on Jan 10, 2012 1:09 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Sure does. Which is part of the risk with a man-to-man scheme, no? If they weren’t as aggressively marking opponents, there might be a bit more margin for error, no?
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Maybe, but if you blow your assignment in a zone it can get ugly as well. It’s not like they weren’t letting mental gaffes kill them when they were playing the zone.
And that line that scored wasn’t exactly a line that strikes fear into the opposition. Just brutal stuff.
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Sure. But in a zone, you’re not going to have two D on the half-boards together – wouldn’t at least one of the D let his man go and stop around the top of the crease rather than both of them chasing their guys all the way? What a goat rodeo.
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I love the Beagle shoutout – I noted at the end of last year that Beagle seemed to have an ability to suppress shots-against and this piece shows exactly why that is. It is only Colin Fraser, but that’s a lot of stuff done right in the D-zone.
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by Knee high to a duck on Jan 10, 2012 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
Nick Lowe, awsome cover of the Weight and UofAk hockey player?
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by Alz in the family on Jan 10, 2012 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
I didn’t notice it last night, but hell of a shift on his man by Beagle.
Once you take the fisting element out, it's not romantic anymore.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Jan 10, 2012 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
The D-men misplayed this a bit, but let’s not let Vokoun off the hook. That’s a HUGE rebound on a soft, prayer of a shot. Gotta control that rebound way better.
by DonnieKnutts on Jan 10, 2012 3:03 PM EST up reply actions
Leading scorer in NCAA hockey is Austin Smith. He’s up for the Hobey Baker. You should probably vote for him because he’s so good at hockey and smart.
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by Rob Parker on Jan 10, 2012 2:35 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Austin Bourque?
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by J.P. on Jan 10, 2012 2:36 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
He’s a Stars prospect… so he might be playing in Austin soon? That’s… something.
Also, do they refer to his upside as “Austin Smitty’s limits”?
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by J.P. on Jan 10, 2012 2:39 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Named Austin, from Dallas, drafted by Dallas. That’s gotta be cool (being drafted by the home team).
They should. I’ll put out the word.
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There was Dallas, from Phoenix; Cleveland – he was from Detroit; and Tex… well, I don’t remember where Tex come from.
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I always wondered what it would be like to grow up and get drafted by your rooting interest’s rival. You’d probably get over it pretty quick, what with the playing professional sports and all, but I wonder if any of the Oilers born in Quebec (if there are such things) weren’t momentarily disappointed.
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Patrick Wey’s rooting interest doesn’t care about they team that drafted him; they’re just obsessed with Wey’s team – it’s a one-way street, yo.
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Sounds like that’s the bottom line on Austin.
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by Bald Pollack on Jan 10, 2012 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
God help us if he wins the Stanley Cup. It’ll be a stunner.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 10, 2012 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
It’d be stone cold awesome if he signed a 3-year deal at $2m per and became the six-million dollar man.
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Only if he brings around 1974-Era Farrah Fawcett.
Meow.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 10, 2012 3:17 PM EST up reply actions
Hell of a long list – is that everyone playing college hockey? ;)
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Leads the nation in goals and SHG as well. Very smart two-way player.
Release the Mackan!
by Killer_Carlson on Jan 10, 2012 2:56 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
FYI:
@coreypronman Certainly a top 6 player, has enough to push beyond that possibly. RT @JapersRink: @coreypronman [Galiev’s] NHL upside.
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I guess that’s preferable to Rocky Road.
by Rather Bengt on Jan 10, 2012 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
His recent tweets sure sound positive.
In other prospect news:
Garrett Haar, concussion… This story after yesterday’s practice; Haar participated.
but Haar’s tweet today:
Welp another day of watching practice from the stands this is getting really old #concussionconcussiongoawaydontcomebackanotherday
and on Jan 2nd as has been posted here before:
Watching the boys practice is no fun I want to be out there with them #gotsomethinlikeaconcussion #hereforsupport
Stas update
This from (my buddies in Saint John and) the Telegraph-Journal which is behind a paywall now…
The talented Russian no longer has a cast on his wrist. He’s wearing a splint and is skating regularly. His next doctor’s appointment is early February and the team hopes to have him back in the lineup by the middle of next month.
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That’s pretty much a lost season for him, isn’t it. What a shame.
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The Sea Dogs were tying hard to get another top-pair D in the Q trade period. They tried real hard to get Brandon Gormely but Moncton wanted too much and Shawinigan was willing to pay more. What made me perk up though was the other defenseman they were looking at – Sam Carrier. Dunno if his price was too dear, but the Dogs ended up making no last minute trades, though they got a couple of good forwards earlier including Charlie Coyle. Stas will have to play his way back onto the team.
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I was just about to type/swype the same thing. These last 2 games would’ve shown what the caps were made of and put them into a better playoff position. Instead they looked out of sorts and let their chance get away.
Sad thing is, watching fla play van, I noticed they were physical and always around the net. Shouldn’t be looking to florida for lessons on how to play, but…
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OT: Bears update – not surprised to see suspensions for what happened in Hershey Saturday night.
source: PSPhantoms
Tom Sestito, Oliver Lauridsen, and Joel Rechlicz all suspended 1 game for incident near Phantoms bench Saturday.
Did Recker already serve his suspension on Sunday or did he just sit out as a more-or-less healthy scratch?
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Per Tim Leone:
Recker, who already sat out Sunday due to accumulated game misconducts, will now also be out Wednesday at Charlotte.
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