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For anyone wondering about the mysterious circumstances surrounding the Varlamov deal this past summer, I got a chance to ask GM GM personally about our off-season acquisitions at the Acela Club VIP event this morning at Verizon. As It turns out, he shared in a rather jovial and unabashed mood, #1 and the Caps were in agreement on terms and "only $50,000 apart in salary when everything just stopped." Apparently after a few days they had his US agent look into why he hadn't responded to their offer, and he found out that "Varlamov's father had accepted money from the KHL club to help sway him" to sign there. Once it became apparent he was going to go to Russia or be claimed on waivers if they attempted to move him/were forced to match an offer sheet, it was just a matter of time before he got traded. Money quote of the day: "I'm hoping we win the Stanley Cup and Colorado does poorly, so we get both the 1st and 30th picks in the first round."

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Gotta respect the cajones on that one to say publicly.

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by Scoops on Sep 30, 2011 3:42 PM EDT reply actions  

damn, George, tell us how you really feel!

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by RedBirdie on Sep 30, 2011 3:56 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

LoL

"Baseball was my first love... hockey is a sultry temptress and stole my heart." - Corey Masisak

by Scoops on Sep 30, 2011 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Every time he tells the story of the Varly trade, more details emerge. He was in a chatty mood this morning. And yes that was the money quote for me too.

by capsyoungguns on Sep 30, 2011 4:05 PM EDT reply actions  

I know right – you know everyone is thinking it back in July, but to come out straight baller like and tell everyone… that cracked me up!

"Baseball was my first love... hockey is a sultry temptress and stole my heart." - Corey Masisak

by Scoops on Sep 30, 2011 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

PS

I was trying to remember any other potent potables – it was tough to recall because he talked for nearly an hour. Can you think of anything else that was money/insider info we haven’t heard before?

The only other thing I can think of is the Vokhoun story and how we passed initially, then he called them back on his way home, and then got in a bidding war with the Red Wings.

"Baseball was my first love... hockey is a sultry temptress and stole my heart." - Corey Masisak

by Scoops on Sep 30, 2011 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

The timing of it all was clearer. GMGM said he had a deal in place with a three year term a week before free agency. But nothing was signed by that Monday. They were baffled. So they called the NA agent who was also surprised and annoyed, and he said he would find out what’s going on. Turns out, as you noted, that Varly’s dad had accepted money from the club to persuade Varly to return to the KHL. There must have been some kind of back and forth late that week because at the convention GMGM said that he was not told definitively that Varly was signing with the KHL until the morning of July first. He fleshed out in greater detail why he was worried about losing Varly to a waiver claim as well as an offer sheet plus waivers if he tried to come back early.

Also the phone calls between the Caps and Vokoun’s agent was clarified. Vokoun’s agent made the first call to the Caps but was told they only had about a million, not enough. But later when GMGM made his round of phone calls to find out who was signed, that’s when realized that Vokoun was still left standing—his musical chairs reference. And that’s when they called Vokoun’s agent back to negotiate. The Wings were also negotiating, and GMGM seemed like a cat who ate a canary that Vokoun chose to come here. The money was roughly the same.

You’re right, this was only a small portion of the talk. When asked about the talk with Ovi about leadership he made a point of saying that they talked to every player about their strengths and weaknesses and hoped for improvements. So Ovi wasn’t being singled out but of course the captaincy, how he could go from a good to a great captain, was a part of his exit interview. And that being a great captain was important to Ovi.

In general I think part of GMGM’s openness is a result of nervous happiness. He got exactly who he wanted in the FA market, he has made strategic visits with the core players to discuss expectations, and he’s iced—on paper as he likes to caution—a really strong team. I think this is GMGM being really excited. I loved how he wanted more questions when Walton tried to wrap it up. GMGM was having fun.

by capsyoungguns on Oct 1, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the further details on everything. Sounds like an interesting talk.

by vtcapsfan99 on Oct 1, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

One more question. Did GMGM indicate whether it was SKA or Lokomotiv that paid Varly’s dad?

by vtcapsfan99 on Oct 1, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

He didn’t say. But at the convention he confirmed that Varly was returning to his old club, Loko. Yesterday I wondered if it was Loko who paid his dad or if the KHL general management was behind it just to get Varly back into the system. I find the KHL politics confusing. And I didn’t ask GMGM. He had already moved on to another question.

by capsyoungguns on Oct 1, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is why I was curious, because Slava said Lokomotiv didn’t have the money to pay Varly and that Varly hadn’t considered them a serious option. By the rules Varly would have had to return to Lokomotiv but maybe their GM would have unbent enough and overcame his hatred eventually to trade Varly’s rights to SKA for enough money. It was an interesting drama to watch. If it was Lokomotiv paying Varly’s dad, that would throw another wrinkle into the situation.

The KHL president used to be part owner or something for SKA, I think he has their best interests in mind with actions he takes. It was interesting how SKA was trying to force the trade and go against the rules and the KHL president was talking about how the KHL had to bend their rules to get Russian players to come back. A whole other kind of world there that I think would frustrate many Americans with how they operate.

by vtcapsfan99 on Oct 1, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think it could have/would have been Loko that paid his dad. They’re so dirt poor it wouldn’t have made sense. Besides, they weren’t really going down the wooing angle to begin with – their argument was basically that they retained Varlamov’s rights and therefore if he came back to Russia, he would have to play for them.

There was zero chance Varly was going to play for Loko this season, so I don’t think we would be reading his name in the paper had things gone awry and he got shipped off to the Motherland. In all likelihood if that’s the way things went down, he would have pulled a Nabokov.

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by Scoops on Oct 3, 2011 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

GMGM only stated what he was told as of July 1st. Varly was going to Loko. Obviously we will never know if the KHL would have managed to effect an agreement between Loko or SKA by the time the season started, but Loko was standing their ground on keeping his rights at that time. The behind-the-door politics of it all are murky at best. And GMGM clearly believed that Varly would have been at Loko and therefore on that plane. His emotional aside in his talk at the convention seemed genuine.

by capsyoungguns on Oct 3, 2011 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Varly still doesn’t come out looking good and his father seems like a manipulative snake.

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by oldemystix on Sep 30, 2011 4:11 PM EDT reply actions  

I think for me...

… this helps me gain a little more respect for Varly. I truly believe, after everything I’ve heard, that he was heavily manipulated by his Russian agent and inadvertently father. Still can’t say I blame his dad, though – he was probably just taking a little kick-back to encourage him to do what he felt was best for both his son’s career and his relationship with his boy. Don’ know if I would have done anything differently in that situation (except of course not take the money).

"Baseball was my first love... hockey is a sultry temptress and stole my heart." - Corey Masisak

by Scoops on Sep 30, 2011 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Varly is an adult and responsible for his own actions.

Obviously, this is all speculation.

by Rob Parker on Sep 30, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions   3 recs

I said for me

You may feel differently. I’m sure you would be more empathetic if you were only 23, thousands of miles away from family, working in a country that speaks a foreign language, and had two sets of representation telling you opposing things.

"Baseball was my first love... hockey is a sultry temptress and stole my heart." - Corey Masisak

by Scoops on Sep 30, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Business agreements in Russia operate on a different set of rules that we’re used to on this side of the ocean. For an interesting look into how businesses are often run in Russia, check into some of the creative accounting that governs the botnet industry – whoa! (I’d refer you to www.krebsonsecurity.com for that – the bribes and political payoff info was highly educational ).

Varly is ultimately responsible for his actions, but he’s not responsible for those of his father – who was probably playing by the rules he best knows. Sounds like a couple teams had some scrambling to do because of the actions of the father.

by creasemonkey on Sep 30, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Good call – it’s important to keep in mind the cultural proclivities of our international players at all times.

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by Scoops on Sep 30, 2011 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is pretty much the same as what he said at the Con, except for the bit about having an "agreement on terms and “only $50,000 apart in salary when everything just stopped.” It shocks me that they got that close, especially given Varlamov’s comments after the trade that he didn’t want to continue his career here.

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by Wheeler on Sep 30, 2011 4:43 PM EDT reply actions  

It still amazes me that GMGM found a trade partner when Varly was this close to returning to Russia.

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by CapitalCentre on Sep 30, 2011 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

With what amounted to a fax broadcast.

FOR SALE: One goaltender, Russian. Slightly oversized, some groin damage, but has potential to be #1 puckstopper. If interested, call George at 703-xxx-xxxx.

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by Wheeler on Sep 30, 2011 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree – somehow GM GM and his staff have completely rewritten the book on general management. Reminds me of that Air Supply song… “Making trades… out of nothing at all.”

"Baseball was my first love... hockey is a sultry temptress and stole my heart." - Corey Masisak

by Scoops on Sep 30, 2011 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pretty sure he said the $50K/terms stuff too.

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by boutros23 on Sep 30, 2011 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really?

How come I didn’t read about it anywhere? Seems like that should have been covered.

Speaking of which, how was Caps Con this year, Nicki? I abstained to play in a 3 hour hockey marathon, which was delicious.

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by Scoops on Sep 30, 2011 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think a lot of their post-event comments are BS to try and reframe what really went down. I think OldeMyStix is right in that if not properly mitigated, this could have looked very bad on him. The whole “Colorado’s always been my favorite team” load was a part of that effort, I believe.

"Baseball was my first love... hockey is a sultry temptress and stole my heart." - Corey Masisak

by Scoops on Sep 30, 2011 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was reading old translated interviews on Alex Ovetjkin blog this summer and came across one from his first season in the US, Varly was quoted talking about Roy being his favorite goaltender as a kid. He didn’t make that part up.

This is interesting info, thanks for sharing it. My question is about timing though. When were they so close to signing a contract and then Varly stopped responding? After he was back in Russia and was subject to his father’s and Russian agent’s influence? Varly at exit day told Slava that he wanted to re-sign with the Caps, plus the part not being happy about sitting on the bench. There was another interview on 6/20 where he said he wanted to play in the NHL with no mention of the Caps though. This update you shared gives credence to what Slava said on his twitter before the trade went down that if Varly had a competent agent he would have already signed with the Caps.

by vtcapsfan99 on Sep 30, 2011 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here is the interview link on Alex Ovetjkin blog, apparently it’s from an interview by Vogel where Varly said he idolized Roy.

by vtcapsfan99 on Sep 30, 2011 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah – I agree with Roy… that part wasn’t made up. But Roy played for more storied franchises (i.e., the Canadiens), and at that point in his career he would have been closer to Varlamov’s situation anyway, so I think the Colorado part was a stretch. Still, it helped him save face so good on him in the long run.

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by Scoops on Sep 30, 2011 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think you’re forgetting just how young Varly is. He probably has little recollection of Ray playing for the Habs. When Roy got traded to the Avs at the end of 1995, Varly was only 7.

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by RedBirdie on Oct 1, 2011 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Roy is Holtby’s idol as well. And Hasek for Vokoun and a young Neuvy. No surprises with either choice of idols.

by capsyoungguns on Oct 1, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I agree – but I think “competent” would bee to strong of a diminutive towards his US agent. I think if he would have had an exclusive agent he would have been signed by the Caps some time before. McPhee referenced today the Russian agent’s “leaking” of Varly’s intent to sign in Russia if his demands weren’t met (which we found out later were more to do with being #1 then price/term) and how that created a stalemate between the two parties. If that Russian agent had kept his mouth shut, or, as is the case in most commonplace situations, not existed altogether and Varly been represented by one agent/agency with non-competing interests, we probably wouldn’t be blogging about this right now.

"Baseball was my first love... hockey is a sultry temptress and stole my heart." - Corey Masisak

by Scoops on Sep 30, 2011 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Slava might have been directing the incompetent charge towards the Russian agent, he had other negative things to say about Russian agents during in the whole process. I thought the Russian agent giving that interview that was translated in Puck Daddy that trashed the Caps was just an attempt to keep Varly from signing with the Caps.

Slava also said that Varly had never demanded the #1 guarantee and it wasn’t about money. So I don’t know what else is left other than something about how Boudreau handled the goalies or the fact the Caps had 3 good young goalies. Ovie has said a few times in interviews that Varly would be better off in Colorado, it would be a better situation for him. I am wondering about that though with the lack of a goalie coach and the worse defense. Varly must have really disliked something about the Caps to want to leave. Either that or his Russian agent/dad screwed up things too much. Fortunately they didn’t screw things up so much that Varly had to go to the KHL and Lokomotiv

Personally I had thought the whole KHL thing was just some bargaining chip used by Varly’s side to convince GMGM he was serious about not playing for the Caps to get him traded like he wanted. I think Varly always wanted to stay in the NHL, he had consistently said that for years about his goals.

by vtcapsfan99 on Sep 30, 2011 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

[Posting fail. See response below.]

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by Scoops on Sep 30, 2011 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

GMGM also said in response to a later question that Varly and his dad’s pride was hurt when he didn’t get to start in the playoffs. He said that Varly was told that he wasn’t pulled in his playoff runs and they weren’t going to pull Neuvy in his. That he needed to be patient.

The situation doesn’t have to be anymore complicated than this. Hurt pride. Plus a bevy of goalie talent pushing at his backside. So that every time he had an injury he would be afraid of losing the starter position. And a chance to play.

by capsyoungguns on Oct 1, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well giving Neuvy a chance and not pulling him doesn’t make total sense. Neuvy wasn’t that great against Tampa. It’s fine and all to want to build the goalie’s confidence but winning is important too. If I was Varly I could see myself being upset in that situation. It’s easy to just tell someone to get over it but it’s not so easy for that person to just do it. I suppose that would have gone a little smoother if Varly didn’t have other voices in his ear.

by vtcapsfan99 on Oct 1, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

TB series was not lost as a result of goaltending. Just like the Habs series wasn’t.

Learning how to be patient is a part of the maturation process. Theo was a consummate professional through two painful playoff seasons and Varly benefitted. This time the shoe was on the other foot and Varly’s reaction—hurt pride even if fueled by his dad—shows his immaturity. Like most 23 year olds, he needs to grow up a bit.

by capsyoungguns on Oct 1, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Didn’t say it was only goaltending but that is just another piece of the puzzle. I can understand why Varly felt how he did in that situation. It’d be easy for me to sit and say I wouldn’t act a certain way but I’m 32. I wasn’t nearly as wise at 23. Obviously he needs to work on that issue a bit. One of the things he did say to Slava on exit day was that it was a learning experience. While he was being somewhat sarcastic, hopefully he did learn something from it.

Neuvy seems to have a very good attitude about things or maybe it’s just that he shows things less. I did admire how Theo was so supportive of the younger guys. Many other goalies his age and in his position don’t always act that way.

I didn’t pay any attention to Giggy before he signed with the Avs, but he seems to have a great attitude and wants to help Varly. Hopefully Varly can learn a lot from him since he doesn’t have a coach around most of the time.

by vtcapsfan99 on Oct 1, 2011 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh and I recognize that Theo was a veteran. But I still am disappointed in Varly, even if I am still a fan. There are life lessons I hope he absorbs from this situation. And franky his dad must be so grateful that Varly didn’t return given the tragedy.

You would have enjoyed the discussion. And had questions for GMGM for sure.

Neuvy is quiet but I didn’t realize until the goalie panel what a smart-ass he is, with quick, funny rejoinders and quips. Especially considering how recently he learned English.

He said that when he was young Hasek was his idol but that once he got older Vokoun became his idol. Neuvy is savvy enough that I wondered how much was 100% accurate and how much was a recognition that this was a smart media route to go when asked about how he feels about Vokoun for about the 100 millionth time. That he has admired and still admires Vokoun I have no doubt, but giving up Hasek as an idol, now that’s hard.

I do believe that Vokoun will be a good mentor for Neuvy. And will take his time with him. Vokoun has so far come across as a deep thinking and thoughtful athlete. He doesn’t seem to give the stock answers, no quips, but paragraphs outlining his feelings.

by capsyoungguns on Oct 1, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think his Dad needs to learn a thing or two as well, but if he was only acting in an acceptable way in their culture, who knows. I am sure he is very glad that Varly made his own decision about the trade and went to CO instead of going to Lokomotiv.

Vokoun seems like an intelligent guy, I enjoy his responses to questions.

How do you like the Acela club package? I am not a STH but my relative is and I go to most games. She doesn’t have the Acela club package but the other people surrounding us in our row do. They have given us their extra tickets to go up and get food sometimes but I like to watch the game from our seats better, I think the view is better.

by vtcapsfan99 on Oct 1, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pure speculation, but I wouldn’t be surprised if the KHL itself was involved in paying Varly’s dad. The goal was to get him back. It’s true that by the time the season started something else could have been worked out between SKA and Loko. Or Loko could have raised a gigantic stink and not let go of Varly’s rights.

All I can say for certain is what GMGM said: that on July 1st he was told by Varly’s NA agent that Varly was going to Loko.

Good relative to have. We have two sets of tickets, our original nosebleeds in the corner, 404, but they offer a fabulous bird’s eye view. We kept them in case we decided not to keep the club seats after the contract was up, and we sell them through the office and through the Caps website, although that may change (I’m thinking of putting them on the Japers’ Rink Exchange). If we decided not to sign another contract next year for the club seats it will solely be because of the cost. I love the view. Still bird’s eye but so much closer and in the center.

The package has changed since Ted took over Verizon. They are run more like the seats in the 100s. I think they are getting rid of the “club” extras. We switched to the lower price and gave up the extras, the parking tickets and the use of the Acela bar etc. With a child we never went into the bar anyway.

by capsyoungguns on Oct 1, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yea VTCapsFan, there’s been a lot of changes since Ted acquired the whole arena. While many of them are good, the Acela Club a lot of the changes are terrible and not very indicative of what I’ve come to respect and appreciate the most about him – his attentiveness to his long-term fans.

You’ll quickly see why the “Club” level is a perfect example of this. While most people won’t/didn’t take advantage of ALL the Acela Club amenities, such as the free game programs, access to the Acela Club restaurant, free parking, and higher quality food, a lot of us took advantage of some of these and not others, which still represented a good costs savings since they offered a lot of extras. Since Ted took over these have been altogether eliminated. The worst part is that the Caps have been very tight-lipped and non-communicative about these changes. For our 200-level Center Ice seats, for example, once our contract expired with Verizon and MSE took over, they never informed us about the removal of these amenities until they tried to sell them back to us the next season, a full 5 months after the new contracts had been signed, sealed, and delivered. If you compare the two contracts, they’re very similar with exception to key incentives being omitted without metion.

A lot of people up there were quite shocked and surprised, because after paying a slightly steeper price (to the affect of $126+ per ticket per game), the prices only went down marginally for the loss of every aspect of the seats that make it the “Club” experience. In fact, if you add up the individual costs of all the perks they previously provided at the price they’re now selling them back to us, you would get the following reduction in price:

  • $25/game for parking
  • $15.85/game for Acela Club Restaurant access
  • $2/game for game program
  • etc.
    = $42.85+ reduction in benefits (or 34%+ of the season ticket price)

HOWEVER, they only reduced the prices by $21/game, (or 16.7% of season ticket price). Where did the other 17.3% of the ticket costs go? Unfortunately, to lining good old Uncle Ted’s pockets. So now what’ you’re left with is season tickets in a worse viewing distance than the 100-level that are quite a bit more costly. And for what… prestige? Who cares if you can’t treat your family, friends, and business partners to any of the signature Acela Club amenities!

At least they still haven’t removed the lavish 1/8" carpeting from the Acela Club level, though I’m sure they’ll find a way to charge us for that next season by installing two foot traffic levels up there and making us pay extra to use the carpeted portions. So, in the meantime I guess that carpet is all that makes the tickets still worth keeping.

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by Scoops on Oct 3, 2011 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wow. You definitely know all of the details. The only thing we enjoyed was the parking ticket, but we still quickly switched to get the lower ticket price. Cheaper to take the metro.

Our getting club seats had nothing to do with prestige. I just wanted to be closer to the game. And the seats in the 100s were sold out. The 200s are expensive so we go back and forth on whether we would sign another contract next season. But I love the view.

by capsyoungguns on Oct 3, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed – I couldn’t give two farts about prestige either. Our Acela Club tickets were a calculated plan to move down to 100 level Center Ice, which Richard Gerrand (former Verizon Center Exec) told us would be easier if we got Club tickets and then tried to “Move Our Seat.” What a load. View’s nice though, as you pointed out, so we’ve kept them so far.

And that carpet sure is nice between the toes ;o)

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by Scoops on Oct 3, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Heh. True. And the wide seats are nice. And the women’s bathroom never has an endless line. We do need to time the beer line though. That’s always crowded.

by capsyoungguns on Oct 3, 2011 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sounds like you got a raw deal from the Caps, to change and not even inform you of the changes doesn’t seem fair. I sit in the 100’s, the seats to our left used to be owned by the Caps (got the pleasure of sitting next to Bettman, Shanahan and Bill Daly for the failure of Game 7 against Montreal) and the seats to our right I think were corporate owned. But last year they sold them as part of the Acela club package, so we’ve at least got stable people to our left, right is still a crap shoot but they tend to be better behaved now that the price of the seats went up with the package. So I know they were at least offering some seats in the 100’s as part of that package, we’re not on center ice though, instead behind Caps bench.

by vtcapsfan99 on Oct 3, 2011 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry VTCapsFan… answered your question in the posting below this one. Enjoy!

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by Scoops on Oct 3, 2011 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

3rd paragraph = RIGHT ON THE MONEY. That was the very same waiting game McPhee mentioned he was more than happy to participate in (and successfully completed, might I add).

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by Scoops on Sep 30, 2011 6:53 PM EDT reply actions  

I think McPhee got somewhat lucky, it’s not all skill. He’s said that Varly forced his hand to trade him a year before he wanted to. I wouldn’t give McPhee all the credit for getting back such a great return, if it was up to him, he would have re-signed Varly, and not gotten the draft picks at this point. Varly forced him into the move and then McPhee got lucky that another team was willing to pay so much for him. McPhee didn’t go into the situation with a plan to get back a potentially very high draft pick, it just worked out that way, because his plan was to have Varly on the roster next season. I am not so sure that McPhee would have signed Vokoun if Varly had re-signed, what do you do with all those goalies? Maybe he would have decided to trade Varly at that point, who knows.

I find it odd that the Avs gave up so much for Varly but won’t hire a full time goalie coach. Very bizarre. Apparently they are not overly concerned about getting the best return on their investment.

by vtcapsfan99 on Oct 1, 2011 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Why wouldn’t you give credit to GMGM for getting the Avs deal done? He said at the convention that there were other teams interested but that after negotiations the Avs gave the best deal. I’m sure he has had for some time a short list of team’s that have expressed interest in the Caps goalies over the past several years. I’m sure he knew exactly which GM’s to zero in on when he made the decision to trade Varly. Until that morning all three of the goalies were on his untouchable list.

Being a successful GM is knowing when to jump and when to wait. To recognize the opportunity and the timing for making a play. The Vokoun opportunity would not have happened had Varly not been traded. But once the Avs chose Varly and dropped out of the Vokoun “race” (they were one of the teams that expressed interest in him), then GMGM must have had Vokoun on his radar.

by capsyoungguns on Oct 1, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Saying I wouldn’t give him all the credit isn’t the same as saying I’d give him no credit. I just don’t think it was all up to his skills, they were other things going on. He said at one point there were four other teams interested besides CO, so obviously he worked those 5 teams and got the most he could out of them. That requires negotiating talent.

I actually don’t think Vokoun was seriously considering going to CO. Considering all he has said recently about wanting to win, why would he go there? I know some people think part of the reason GM traded Varly to CO was to make Vokoun still available but I don’t think that is what happened. I think Vokoun on his own decided he didn’t want to go there, which is why CO never even made an offer.

by vtcapsfan99 on Oct 1, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

For me the skill is taking a bad situation and turning it into a good one. Yeah I think GMGM did an amazing job. There is good and bad luck in every situation. But figuring out how to use that situation to one’s advantage is the key.

I believe GMGM an excellent negotiator. But I also don’t think the Avs got hosed. They got a potentially great goaltending with issues. And GMGM got his first round pick back (plus a second with options) that he can use in a draft for which he was stockpiling picks. It was a trade that had benefit for both teams.

Vokoun was left standing without a team. Only Vokoun and the Avs GM know the status of the negotiations between them, but within the media the information was that Vokoun and the Avs were still having conversations and the trade took everyone by surprise. No I don’t think GMGM traded Varly to the Avs in order to get Vokoun. But the trade opened up the possibility of getting Vokoun.

Also I cannot imagine that Vokoun went into free agency planning on negotiating between two contending teams that had very little cap room. Extrapolating from his interviews just after the signing, he seemed genuinely surprised that there were not more teams with more dollars interested. But once he was faced with not having a team he made a strategic decision to not go the Nabby route and return to Europe, but to sign for less with a strong contending team. He also said back then that he has always been interested in the Capitals.

by capsyoungguns on Oct 1, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

if it was up to him, he would have re-signed Varly, and not gotten the draft picks at this point. Varly forced him into the move

That’s exactly why GMGM deserves a ton of credit. He had no leverage since Varlamov publicly forced his hand, and yet he still got an awesome return. I’m positive that he had to talk COL up to the final return. They didn’t just call up GMGM offering a 1st and 2nd.

Release the Mackan!

by Killer_Carlson on Oct 1, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think GM was able to talk them into offering more because there were 4 other teams interested. Clearly he had the leverage. He obviously deserves some credit and I acknowledge that. He reacted well to events outside of his control.

I actually think Varly must be a good negotiator as well. He managed to force GMGM into giving him what he wanted. I don’t think he was really wanting to go to the KHL, so if you believe that, perhaps you have a different opinion of Varly, but not too many people go against GMGM and win. Look at what happened to Alzner because he lacked the leverage that Varly had. In this situation both sides won and got what they wanted. I do think that at some point Varly might wish that he was traded to another team, perhaps one with a full time goalie coach and one willing to spend more on players to have a better roster.

by vtcapsfan99 on Oct 1, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Varly must be a good negotiator

Just because he got what he wanted doesn’t make him a good negotiator. There was little negotiating on his side once GMGM didn’t hear back after the last contract offer. His and his father’s actions were manipulations, not negotiations.

(Yes, I know about the avatar hounding - just pretend mine is invisible.)

by oldemystix on Oct 2, 2011 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

I both agree and disagree at the same time. While not alp skill, to hear George tell the store on how he waw working the phones all hours if the night, and even calling all the other GM’s on his way home and piecing together the fact that ho one was going to pick Vokhoun up first… that takes some time and dedication that just shows how well he has honed in his skills in his craft.

"Baseball was my first love... hockey is a sultry temptress and stole my heart." - Corey Masisak

by Scoops on Oct 2, 2011 3:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

[Mobile post fail.]

"Baseball was my first love... hockey is a sultry temptress and stole my heart." - Corey Masisak

by Scoops on Oct 2, 2011 3:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I both agree and disagree at the same time. While not all skill, to hear George tell the store on how he was working the phones all hours of the night, and even calling all the other GM’s on his way home and piecing together hhe fact that ho one was going to pick Vokhoun up…. that takes intuition, time, and dedication that just shows how well he has honed in his skills in the craft of general management.

"Baseball was my first love... hockey is a sultry temptress and stole my heart." - Corey Masisak

by Scoops on Oct 2, 2011 3:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

50k, not 500k???

If you’re 50k away you basically have an agreement in principle. 50k on a $2M a year deal?

I’m happy with the way it worked out.

It isn’t even anger-inducing. It does not seem to be worth that kind of emotional investment. It might not even be disappointing any more. It is expected.

-Peerless 5.6.2011

by macvechkin on Oct 1, 2011 12:28 AM EDT reply actions  

Me too! Considering it was a total cluster, the Caps ended up coming out on top in every way imaginable… which simply never happens in this competitive salary cap market. For whatever reason, the good Lord was smiling on us, in what I believe was an amazing mix of skill, fortune, and more skill on GM GM’s behalf.

"Baseball was my first love... hockey is a sultry temptress and stole my heart." - Corey Masisak

by Scoops on Oct 2, 2011 3:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I checked back through my postings and found this interview with Varly’s dad from August 2010. You may also recall that (very briefly) Varly was keeping a Russian-language blog at Championat.ru. The word on the street it was his dad writing the entries.

You perhaps knew me better as "Your Nation's Capital." Same great commentary, now with 100% more transparency!

by EmilyB on Oct 2, 2011 1:08 AM EDT reply actions  

Great catch super slueth EmilyB! I wonder if it would have been conceivable to piece this together beforehand….?

"Baseball was my first love... hockey is a sultry temptress and stole my heart." - Corey Masisak

by Scoops on Oct 2, 2011 3:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Да, komrade.

You perhaps knew me better as "Your Nation's Capital." Same great commentary, now with 100% more transparency!

by EmilyB on Oct 2, 2011 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Heh heh heh…

"Baseball was my first love... hockey is a sultry temptress and stole my heart." - Corey Masisak

by Scoops on Oct 2, 2011 10:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

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