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Protecting Mike Green the Red Wings Way

November 13, 2010: Patrick Kaleta attempts to "play his game" by administering a flying elbow to Mike Green's skull.  Green narrowly escaped this hit, but wouldn't be so lucky later in the season.

Last December I was reading Elliotte Friedman's "30 Thoughts," a weekly ritual, when something caught my eye. It wasn't specifically Capitals-related (though there are some Caps nuggets in there), but I haven't been able to get it out of my mind since. On December 13 Friedman wrote:

27) Brian Rafalski got hit twice going back for pucks against Nashville last Wednesday.  If Jonathan Ericsson doesn't get it no matter what side it goes to, Mike Babcock is displeased.  Same goes for Brad Stuart and [Nicklas] Lidstrom.

I went back and looked at that game, as well as some other Detroit games, and saw the strategy in action.  Let's take a look at how Babcock wants the system to be executed, and then we'll see the breakdown that led to the comment in 30 Thoughts.

In this first example, we'll see that the puck gets dumped into Lidstrom's corner, but Kronwall skates cross-ice to retrieve the puck, while Lidstrom provides support:


Rather than adhering to traditional "left/right" distinctions to determine defensive assignments, Babcock has instructed his defensemen to perform specific roles, irrespective of position on the ice. Here is another example, which makes the point even more clearly:


When the puck is dumped in Lidstrom is actually in better position to retrieve the puck. The puck is clearly going to wrap around the boards behind the net, and Lidstrom is already in the slot with no man to cover. On the contrary, Stuart has pressure on him, and he needs to pivot and chase a further distance to retrieve the puck. But because of Babcock's demands, Stuart chases down the puck and eats a bodycheck. Now let's take a look at the breakdown that inspired Friedman's note in 30 Thoughts.


This looks a lot like the first example posted. Rafalski ends up chasing to retrieve the puck in the far side corner, and takes a hit for his troubles. I'm sympathetic to Ericsson in this example, but clearly Babcock was not. Nashville had pressure coming down the near boards, and Ericsson had to step up to prevent an easy entry into the zone. But based on Friedman's comment, that's not an excuse; Babcock expected Ericsson to turn tail and retrieve that puck to save Rafalski from taking that hit.

That's great, but what does it have to do with the Capitals? Click through to find out after the jump.

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Mike Green is the Capitals' best offensive defenseman; this is no secret. It's also no secret that he's targeted physically every time he takes the ice. Whether it's the Flyers openly discussing how they need to put more bodies on him during the first-round series in 2008, the shoulder injury and subsequent targeting in 2009, Dan Bylsma talking about being physical with him on 24/7, or the concussion he received in 2011, Green has been the subject of physical punishment ever since his emergence as the premier offensive defenseman in the NHL.

Detroit has obviously made it a priority to protect their best defensemen from being on the receiving end of heavy hits from physical forecheckers. Given the fact that Green has missed significant time due to injuries to his head and shoulders, it may be time for Bruce Boudreau to consider trying a similar tactic with Green. Add in the fact that GM George McPhee claimed that the banged up nature of his puck-moving defensemen, including Green, was a significant factor in the Caps' loss to Tampa Bay in the playoffs, and it seems even clearer that the Caps should do something to preserve their most valuable assets.

But that the Caps have not attempted to protect Green in the way Detroit protected Rafalski and Lidstrom last year can be attributed, in part, to the fact that they haven't really had the personnel to protect him. One of the keys to Detroit's protection scheme is that Stuart, Ericsson, and Kronwall all can skate well and are all capable passers. They need to be able to skate in order to track pucks down all over the zone, and they need to be able to pass so that they can move the puck out of danger when they do get to the loose puck.

The Caps simply haven't had enough blueliners that could skate and move the puck in recent years. Dennis Wideman and Green didn't play together, and John Carlson was paired with Karl Alzner last season. There have been times when some might have thought that Tom Poti could have been the guy to play the left side with Green, but that pair never saw much time together, and Poti was out all last season. Instead, Mike Green has gotten a steady diet of Jeff Schultz and Shaone Morrisonn on his left side. Neither of these players can be described by the terms "mobile" or "puck-mover." And this has meant that, more often than not, Mike Green has had to chase down the loose pucks, and take the physical beating that comes with such a job. Let's take a look at how this plays out.

This first example looks a lot like the hit on Rafalski that prompted the Friedman comment. The camera angle doesn't do any favors, but the puck gets dumped in on Schultz' side of the ice, and Green has to retrieve the puck, taking a hit in the process. The Caps can't get the puck out of the zone and Green takes a second hit trying to help get the clear.


As noted above, it's a difficult position for Schultz to be in. He has to hold the blueline so he can't cheat to retrieve the puck, but it's not unfair to expect a rearguard to hold the blueline and then retrieve the puck. That's exactly what Stuart did on the hit above where Lidstrom maintains position in the slot. However, Schultz simply doesn't have the mobility to hold the line, pivot, and then chase down the puck. Green is left to chase the puck and (with the help of a half-hearted backcheck) he takes a solid hit into the end boards.

Now let's take a look at why puck skills are so important. Even if Green's partner can get to the puck, he'll still need to be able to do something with it if this strategy is to be viable. But again, Green hasn't had the luxury of a partner with much in the way of puck skills.


The clip above starts off looking great - the puck goes in to Green's corner, but Schultz reads the play well and chases down the loose puck. Babcock would be happy. However, instead of passing the puck around the back of the net to Alex Ovechkin, wide open on the far wing, Schultz puts the puck back in to the corner. Green has to get the puck in a vulnerable position, and (former) Cap-killer Jon Sim punishes Green. Schultz really needs to take a look and realize where he has the help. The Caps get out of the zone without much problem, but that's another punishing hit that Green never should have taken.

The risk to Green isn't just in the form of chasing and passing pucks; the lack of speed (raw or relative) among fellow blueliners can leave Green alone without support:


Green covers his man as the puck enters the Caps' defensive zone, but when the puck goes into the corner Green has nowhere to go with it. Scott Hannan is too slow getting to an area where he can provide some support, so Green ends up having to eat the puck and take a serious hit from Mike Rupp. The net is blocking out the potential passing lane, so Green would have to throw the puck to no man's land in order to get rid of it. That's not a particularly wise move in the defensive zone, and the result is pain. A quicker partner may have gotten to the far corner and provided Green with an outlet before the pressure could get on top of him.  

[Bonus commentary: What is David Steckel doing in this play? He absolutely has to get that puck in deep, but he must have gotten confused into thinking that he had some offensive flair. He's the last guy that should be stick-handling at the blueline, and the turnover results in Mike Green being smeared on the glass.]

Here's one last clip to demonstrate how the lack of D-speed has put Green in trouble (and how he's good enough to get out of it):


Again, Schultz takes too long to get to the puck and that allows Boston to set up the forecheck. Green eventually ends up with the puck in the corner, and he takes the time to set up a crisp breakout pass. Unfortunately, after the time he took to corral the puck and set up his pass, Brad Marchand is on him and all too willing to finish his check. Smile though, Caps fans, because Green stays on his feet and reminds everyone why he's the best offensive defenseman playing in the game today.

This post isn't meant to be fodder for the Anti-Schultz crowd - Schultz has his virtues. He's very good at what he does. He's still a player that can play solid penalty-killing minutes and play against tough competition; for example, he may be the best Capital defender against Evgeni Malkin. But he's not very mobile, and he's not the greatest puck-handler (or the quickest decision-maker). If the Caps want to think about protecting Green by giving him a partner that can skate to loose pucks and take that pressure off of him, Schultz is not well-suited for that role.  

Someone who could fit that role very nicely is the newest member of the Caps' blue line, Roman Hamrlik. Hamrlik is both mobile and a smart passer. He could be the guy to help take pressure off of Green, and the Caps' Brass has already discussed the potential of those two playing together. That might help keep Green healthier throughout the season, which can only help the team when the Caps will need his services most. Now that the Caps have the personnel... will Bruce Boudreau use it to protect his best blueline asset?

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Last vid doesn’t seem to be working for me, but it doesn’t make this any less awesome, great work man.

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Works for me – try reloading.

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by J.P. on Sep 27, 2011 11:11 AM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions  

There we go.

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by Bald Pollack on Sep 27, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Great post, and I concur. Green’s been getting the Bobby Orr treatment for some time, so just for his own wellbeing I hope to hell Bruce does consider pairing him with Hammer, and last night’s duet was just a hey-how’rya-doin preseason anomaly.

by bigonetimer on Sep 27, 2011 11:08 AM EDT reply actions  

This is excellent, excellent stuff.

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by NGreenberg on Sep 27, 2011 11:08 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Great analysis. Can someone send this to BB?

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by timmyv38 on Sep 27, 2011 11:09 AM EDT reply actions  

Interesting idea to protect Green with Hamrlik. I sit in the section behind the Caps bench and I noticed during the game last night that Hamrlik was talking to Neuvy during a break when Neuvy came up to the bench for a drink (Hamrlik was on the ice). He was pointing and gesturing as they talked. Then he talked to Ovi and some other players and looked like he was explaining something to them.

by vtcapsfan99 on Sep 27, 2011 11:20 AM EDT reply actions  

and this is relevant how?

by RossingtonCollins on Sep 27, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Come on man, we’re all grownups here. If you can’t find a better way to say that without sounding like a troll, you really shouldn’t be here.

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by Bald Pollack on Sep 27, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions   4 recs

Sorry my point was it seems like Hamrlik could be a good veteran leader, besides protecting Green by drawing upon his veteran experience. Sorry to waste your time posting about what I noticed he was doing. Coaching Neuvy on his passing could potentially help the D with puck retrieval.

by vtcapsfan99 on Sep 27, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Yeah, I could see that. Given Hamrlik’s ability to stay healthy and his past as a very offensive D man, maybe he has some tips on self-preservation.

Obviously, this is all speculation.

by Rob Parker on Sep 27, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

This was actually one of my first thoughts when GMGM mentioned after the Hamerlik aquisition that he could be paired with Greenie. Someone more mobile who is willing to get dirty in the corners and take some of those hits so green doesn’t have to spend as much timesplatter against the boards. Also, I think the Caps hope to open Green’s offense up a bit more this year, and Hamerlik is mobile enough to get back if things go awry. Too often last year, if Green activated and things went bad, some defender ended up blowing by Schultz like Sarge was skating in tar.

Now, we just need BB to realize Green-Hamerlik and Wideman-Schultz is better than the reverse.

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by Jalabar on Sep 27, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s a good point. Last night I got a little worried when Neuvy was passing the puck. He was in a stick handling mood, that’s for sure.

I believe the defense, especially Carlson and Alzner, learned a lot from Hannan last season, and I’m hoping for more on ice coaching from Hamrlik.

by capsyoungguns on Sep 27, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Love it. Good work. Now let’s send this to Gabby

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by sami426 on Sep 27, 2011 11:26 AM EDT reply actions  

And this is why I come to the rink. Outstanding analysis.

by RED503 on Sep 27, 2011 11:29 AM EDT reply actions   2 recs

Well done. I hadn’t even thought much on this, but there’s a lot of sense to it. It’s a lot to digest in a relatively short post.

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by Whiter Mage on Sep 27, 2011 11:32 AM EDT reply actions  

Awesome analysis F&B. It’s really eye opening to see how little defensive plays like this do chew up a player over 82 games. I’ll have to start paying more attention to situations like this over this season and see if BB does anything to address this issue.

Analyses like these are why I love coming to this blog! Well done, excellent, JP & the staff here are amazing at the quality hockey content that has been generated over the past 5 seasons for the Caps. Keep up the great work everyone!

by migz on Sep 27, 2011 11:52 AM EDT reply actions  

Great work, F&B. Are you also secretly working with Shanahan to do the clips for his suspension explanation videos?

by cainoo7x on Sep 27, 2011 11:53 AM EDT reply actions  

I’d love to be working not-so-secretly with Shanny! But no, I can’t claim any credit for the new sheriff in town.

Obviously, this is all speculation.

by Rob Parker on Sep 27, 2011 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great job. You have to believe that if every opposing coach knows the importance of targeting Green, so does the Caps coaching staff. The key, as F&B points out, is finding the right guy to be his partner. My concern with Hamrlik is that at his age, you have to wonder how many heavy hits he can absorb. But aside from breaking up Carlson and Alzner and putting one of them with Mike, Hamrlik really is the only option.

by b.orr4 on Sep 27, 2011 12:01 PM EDT reply actions  

I thought about that, but Hamrlik has survived blocking a ton of shots. Different punishment, for sure, but it still makes me optimistic that he can do the job.

Obviously, this is all speculation.

by Rob Parker on Sep 27, 2011 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hamrlik has also been durable throughout his career. He’s played 75+ games 12 out of his last 15 years, and has played 70+ games 14 out of those 15 years.

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by Wheeler on Sep 27, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hope Hammer stays durable for us. But, then again, Wideman was a very durable defenseman for most of his career and look what happened last year. Granted, it was a fluky injury that should not be repeated.

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by CapsFan75 on Sep 27, 2011 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right, but flukes happen, and a team needs to be prepared for them. Caps haven’t had luck on their side, either.

Obviously, this is all speculation.

by Rob Parker on Sep 27, 2011 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Needs more MS Paint.

Seriously, awesome stuff.

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by EmilyB on Sep 27, 2011 12:04 PM EDT reply actions  

As soon as I saw the vids I knew it was an F&B post. I love visual breakdowns like this. My understanding is so much deeper. Great work.

by capsyoungguns on Sep 27, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well J.P. didn’t steal byline credit this time so that could have tipped you off…

Obviously, this is all speculation.

by Rob Parker on Sep 27, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh snap. You mean I’m suppose to check the bylines.

by capsyoungguns on Sep 27, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

As with all things on this site, it’s optional.

Obviously, this is all speculation.

by Rob Parker on Sep 27, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

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by capsyoungguns on Sep 27, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Awesome post.

Have to wonder if Green’s “pride” would make him object to any scheme designed to protect him. I think in the end you are completely correct that giving him a better skating/decision making partner will greatly improve Green’s outcomes regardless of any specific scheme.

by jblonz on Sep 27, 2011 12:11 PM EDT reply actions  

I was thinking about the psychological aspect as well. It makes sense that Ericsson (27) and Stuart (31) would buy in to protecting proven vets Rafalski (37) and Lidstrom (41) respectively. But how does proven veteran Hamrlik (37) feel about having to protect a much younger Green (25) who should in theory be more durable. I’m sure most players will do anything that’s best for the team, but its gotta be in the back of your mind.

by JSeagull1 on Sep 27, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Terrific piece. Thank you.

by Wilderthing on Sep 27, 2011 12:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Green-Hamrlik makes a lot of sense, but Green-Alzner makes a lot of sense too. It might actually make more sense, in that Alzner is a fair bit more mobile than Hamrlik is these days. While it does deprive you of the synergy of the Alzner-Carlson pairing, it might be interesting to see a few games.

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by Wheeler on Sep 27, 2011 12:30 PM EDT reply actions  

I would never break up Carlznerson. That should be the tough minutes pair.

Obviously, this is all speculation.

by Rob Parker on Sep 27, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Speaking of Carlzerson

Have you noticed similar distribution of retrieval duties from them? That is to say, is one of them the designated retreiver, or do they play it by ear, so to speak?

If a system like Babcock’s was implemented, how long do you think it would take the Caps D to adjust? Do you see any opportunity cost if they have to ice a lineup with both Schultz and Erskine, who are bad and worse at the duties described?

by Knee high to a duck on Sep 27, 2011 12:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I haven’t paid attention to Carlznerson, but I may start doing that.

I think 4/55 is a horrible idea, regardless of the retrieval aspect. If one of the top 5 goes down, then you probably have to break up Green/Hamrlik just so you can maintain some semblance of D balance. Or you end up hiding the third pair, a lot.

I would think the adjustment could be fairly quick. The Ws don’t need to be on board, but the C would have some backcheck changes in terms of responsibilities. They should ideally come back harder on the puck carrier on the boards so that they can cut off the move to the inside and allow the D to cheat a bit on the retrieval (if it’s on the side of the puck-retriever). If the puck retriever is in the middle of the ice, then the C needs to bust ass back to the slot to cover that area, or make sure they provide the outlet if there is already some help in the slot. But I don’t know how the system currently works, so it may be more complex than that.

Obviously, this is all speculation.

by Rob Parker on Sep 27, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t like the idea of 4/55 as a pair, but in the case that they both have to be in the lineup at the same time, neither one can skate well enough to do retrieval.

by Knee high to a duck on Sep 28, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed, which is why they’d end up being hidden.

Obviously, this is all speculation.

by Rob Parker on Sep 28, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I recall that during the playoffs and Carlson’s injury, Alzner said he had to go back and retrieve a lot more pucks because he knew that Carlson couldn’t make it. It would be interesting to see a breakdown on how they split up the puck retrieval duties.

by vtcapsfan99 on Sep 27, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Shamelessly ripped from J.P.:

Carlznerson don’t need a dedicated retriever because both of them are mobile and have puck skills. (I’d add that both are so valuable, being the tough minutes pair, that it’s not immediately obvious that you’d want to sacrifice Alzner.)

And Lidstrom gets away with a ton of interference, be it through veteran savvy or reputation. Maybe forecheckers should start running into him to draw attention to it.

Obviously, this is all speculation.

by Rob Parker on Sep 27, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, just look at that very first clip – major interference by Lidstrom, albeit subtle.

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Hey, I can do that in EA NHL 12. That must be legal, right?

Excellent work F&B!

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by _Skullduggery_ on Sep 27, 2011 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hear you on Green/Hamrlik. Maybe they should be together. If memory serves me correctly, wasn’t Schultz Wideman’s main partner last year after he was acquired? If that is the case, then we could possibly go with that pairing and Green/Hamrlik and leave Carlnerson intact.

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by CapsFan75 on Sep 27, 2011 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’d be my preference, but Green wasn’t playing then so maybe that’s why 55 was with 6.

Obviously, this is all speculation.

by Rob Parker on Sep 27, 2011 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Does Babcock go with the same instructions in the playoffs? Would it be better to have Hamrlik go back and retrieve instead of Green every time, even then?

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by red army line on Sep 27, 2011 12:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Without watching the Wings religiously, I’d wager to say he probably does. Why would you protect your players all season long, then leave them open to a pounding then the game is at its most physical?

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by D'ohboy on Sep 27, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s my sense, but I didn’t look at the playoffs for this post. Maybe I’ll take a look when I get a chance.

Obviously, this is all speculation.

by Rob Parker on Sep 27, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because then you don’t sacrifice that extra second or so of time against a speedy forecheck.

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by red army line on Sep 27, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

At that point, reversing the trend would probably cause hesitation, which would offset much of the gains.

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by D'ohboy on Sep 27, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

How so?

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by red army line on Sep 27, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

If I’m understanding his point (and please correct me if I’m wrong, D’ohboy), it’s because suddenly the dmen would be playing a different system than what they’d gotten used to. Therefore, they’d have to stop and think about what to do in the new system, rather than what they’d been training on. That second to stop and think would offset the second they’d save by changing the system.

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by timmyv38 on Sep 27, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Isn’t that what “getting into playoff mode” is all about? I’m not sure it’s such a drastic change—it’s only affecting the top pair D next to Green (operative words there, “top pair”). I really doubt Hamrlik would not be able to adapt.

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by red army line on Sep 27, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

See below, it also effects the Cs. For the Caps it’s just one pair, for the Wings it would be at least 5 of the 6 D (last year). Even with just one protected D, it likely affects all of them, since you have to be prepared to play any combination of D.

Obviously, this is all speculation.

by Rob Parker on Sep 27, 2011 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s how I understand it, and it applies to the C as well. His role in the breakout and D zone coverage would change, and they’d have to think about it. Thinking is bad if you have to consciously do it on the ice.

Obviously, this is all speculation.

by Rob Parker on Sep 27, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pretty much this and what timmyv said, exactly.

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by D'ohboy on Sep 27, 2011 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Off the bat, awesome pull on the videos. I can’t imagine how much you must have watched to pull all of those out.

From an analytical perspective, I’m not quite sure how to apportion blame for this. If I had to take a WAG, I’d go with 60% Boudreau, 10% McPhee (for not acquiring better defensemen until recently), 15% to Green’s partners and 15% to Green.

First, I’d blame Boudreau in part because his old, pre-trap system did NOTHING to slow down the opponent through the neutral zone. The result was what we see in the first set of videos – Schultz left flat-footed, holding back a tide of several on-rushing forecheckers, followed by Green chasing down the dump-in. Schultz can’t really concede the line in those situations, or else the dump-in will just become a controlled zone entry. Even once he changed into the trap, he didn’t direct guys to protect Green, Carlson and Wideman.

Second, I’d blame McPhee for not acquiring players who could help keep Green (and Carlson and Wideman) healthy. He tried with Corvo and Hannan, so I’ll give him some credit. But there were several years when Boudreau had to pair Green up with guys like ShaMo, Jurcina and Erskine.

Third, I’d blame Green’s partners for not doing a better job of recognizing when he’s in a vulnerable position. Guys like Schultz, Erskine and ShaMo have one move in the D-Zone – “get the puck off my stick as fast as possible, preferably D-to-D.” This frequently leaves Green vulnerable.

Finally, I place some of the blame on Green. He’s constantly putting himself in vulnerable positions.

Hopefully the arrival of Hamrlik, some more defensively responsible forwards and modifications to Boudreau’s system can help Green stay out of trouble.

Armareddon.

by D'ohboy on Sep 27, 2011 1:06 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree with this. I’d also note that Green takes a ton of hits in the O zone, which obviously can’t be protected by his partner. That’s 100% on him. That’s also how Pronger hurt him in ’09.

Obviously, this is all speculation.

by Rob Parker on Sep 27, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

This post WAS my 1pm. Thank you.

How does a dedicated retriever alter the breakout? I’m only really familiar with what I’ve learned.. basics.. curling at points in the defensive zone and getting open for transitional passes. Crossing, or not. Does having the D cross require the forwards to delay the anticipated turn, or do you have different breakout methods altogether? Is this just an offensive awareness issue with the forwards, practicing breakouts timed a second or two slower than the ones they normally have?

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by winterion on Sep 27, 2011 1:38 PM EDT reply actions  

The Fs definitely need to read the play and alter their support and curls. Most of that seems to be on the C, but I’m sure there are some reads for the weak-side W. As RAL alludes to above, it can alter the timing, and seems to frequently add a pass to get the puck out of danger.

Obviously, this is all speculation.

by Rob Parker on Sep 27, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Awesome pull on all these clips F & B. You don’t get this kind of analysis about the Caps anywhere else.

The take-home lesson seems to be not pairing Schultz with Green. That worked fine two years ago because frankly the Caps had no other options. Fortunately, Schultz’ regression and the emergence of Alznerson last year makes it a lot easier to justify Schultz as a third pairing D, which is where he belongs on a cup contender.

Green-Hamrlik is ideal, and I would actually try Green-Wideman if Hamrlik was hurt before using Schultz-Green again.

by Kolzilla on Sep 27, 2011 1:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Using Green-Wideman with Hammer hurt would leave a third pairing of Schultz-Erskine… no one wants to see that.

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by Jalabar on Sep 27, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m a little concerned with Green/Wideman. They are both aggressive and neither are extremely disciplined or exceptional positionally in their own end. They are both also righties, and like it or not that is important to BB (or has been historically).

Obviously, this is all speculation.

by Rob Parker on Sep 27, 2011 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great article but I think the biggest issue right now is that the Caps don’t have anyone with the speed to do what the Wings do. Hamrlik and Schultz are not fast enough to have to go cross ice. So unless Alzner is moved to Green’s pairing I just don’t see how it would work and if that does happen I see Carlson getting all the Green treatment in return. I also think a small part of the issue, and this is clearest to me in the last video is that Green likes having the puck on his stick. Green had plenty of time to get rid of the puck before the hit but instead carried the puck until he was being hit. I think if Green started thinking that he has to get rid of the puck a little quicker he would get hit much less as well.

by icehammer97 on Sep 27, 2011 2:04 PM EDT reply actions  

I think Hamrlik has the mobility to do this job. He won’t be a fastest skater, but he is very efficient and can cover ice well.

I also think that Green could have rushed the puck in the last clip, but it’s not clear that he wouldn’t have gotten hit anyway, and it likely wouldn’t have been a crisp enough breakout pass to send the rush going the other way. That pass was a key to that goal being scored. Maybe he dumps it up the boards and Semin handles it cleanly, or maybe it hops Semin’s stick. A tape to tape pass is always better, IMO.

Obviously, this is all speculation.

by Rob Parker on Sep 27, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

excellent analysis. A tip of the hat to you, Fehr and Balanced.

by cameronMD on Sep 27, 2011 2:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Thanks for jumping in. So did I get the mechanics basically right? I was basically just going off what Friedman said and what I could glean from watching DET games (and you’d be surprised how hard it is to find the exact kind of play you need to make the point).

Obviously I agree that the Caps need to protect Green, if only for the playoffs this year. We’ll see what his next contract looks like, but I think this is going to be a huge year for him on this front. We’ll see if he bounces back to his Norris-finalist form, or if he continues to get hurt or doesn’t put up that kind of scoring again. I wouldn’t say he’s expendable, but I don’t think he’s a lock to stick around, especially if he really tries to push GMGM in the salary department.

Obviously, this is all speculation.

by Rob Parker on Sep 27, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love the insight. Now looking back I wish I had done something on the breakout, but it was a ton of work as it is. Adding that layer would have made it a beast. I don’t know the DET break out enough to really say how the different scenarios change, and without seeing the Caps in action with this it’d be speculation, but it did seem clear that there’s a lot of responsibility on the Cs.

I realized that Lidstrom/Kronwall wasn’t a normal pairing, but I figured that the goal would still be to protect Lidstrom so the point would remain the same. I didn’t realize that Kronwall was also protected, and that Babcock used the same scheme for all three pairs. That would have expanded the search, but it’s definitely interesting that it is a uniform system for the whole team.

Obviously, this is all speculation.

by Rob Parker on Sep 27, 2011 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Would be interesting to look back at the Vancouver Olympics (coached by M. Babcock) to see if Team Canada used that system.

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by EmilyB on Sep 27, 2011 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

The big difference is that basically all of their D were elite caliber so which guy gets protected?

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by Rob Parker on Sep 27, 2011 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mike Green, silly!

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by EmilyB on Sep 27, 2011 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pronger and Niedermayer, maybe.

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by red army line on Sep 27, 2011 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right, but didn’t they play together? And I’m not sure Pronger needs protection.

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by Rob Parker on Sep 27, 2011 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

My best guess is Dan Boyle.

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by Kevin Sellathamby on Sep 27, 2011 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good call. Do you remember who he played with?

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by Rob Parker on Sep 27, 2011 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

The defence pairings saw Duncan Keith with Brent Seabrook, Chris Pronger alongside Dan Boyle and captain Scott Niedermayer beside Shea Weber. Twenty-year-old Drew Doughty was the seventh blue liner, but don’t be surprised if the whiz kid works his way up into the top six. [Link]

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by J.P. on Sep 27, 2011 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

And I’d say of that pair, Pronger is least suited to be a retrieval guy. His age really showed, especially early in that tournament. Maybe I’ll go back and see how they handled it, stay tuned in 9 months!

Obviously, this is all speculation.

by Rob Parker on Sep 27, 2011 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

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Those pairs.

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by Rob Parker on Sep 27, 2011 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

what JP said.

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by Kevin Sellathamby on Sep 28, 2011 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

He really didn’t need to. The IOC pretty much forbids physical plays of any kind. Anything beyond a light tap in the back could lead to a player being disqualified from the tournament. My guess is he played it entirely different in order to get his guys the win.

by Apocalyptic0n3 on Sep 27, 2011 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

You did a fairly good job of explaining how we work it. JJ mentioned the one thing that you didn’t really hit on.

And never think about contracts. Mike Green is a Capital. Period. If you are protecting him for the next team… so be it. But protect your players regardless of what is going on with their contract. It’s a shame that some coaches are not very protective.

by Apocalyptic0n3 on Sep 27, 2011 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Getting some love on PuckDaddy…good man.

by bigonetimer on Sep 27, 2011 4:36 PM EDT reply actions  

From PD comments:

Good work on the Caps’ fan board, but still think the best way to protect Green is to trade him to the Wings.

Heh.

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by EmilyB on Sep 27, 2011 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Boudreau doesn’t want to protect him, we could save you the trouble and just give you Ericsson now (see my previous comment).

by Apocalyptic0n3 on Sep 27, 2011 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

As for the “best way to protect Green is to trade him to the Wings”, I have one comment — only if the Wings give us Datsyuk in return. If we’re to give up Green, why not fill our 2nd center hole once and for all.

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by CapsFan75 on Sep 27, 2011 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks. Great work. This really helped me understand D pairings better.

by Goaliemama on Sep 27, 2011 5:28 PM EDT reply actions  

I’ve been watching hockey religiously for 30 years, but I think I learned more about it from this post than any other moment in my life. Great work.

by katzistan on Sep 28, 2011 3:27 AM EDT reply actions  

Dynamite work like this is one of the reasons I read here. Go to the head of the class.

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by Acer Jonesy's Laughker on Sep 28, 2011 6:12 AM EDT reply actions  

Great analysis, something i’ve never thought about. I feel a little bit smarter about hockey today than yesterday.

by AronV on Sep 28, 2011 11:49 AM EDT reply actions  

Thanks to everyone for the kind words, I’m glad people got something out of this. Feel free to drop suggestions if there is something else you’d be interested in seeing.

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