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Since the Caps joined the NHL in 1974, fifty-one former Caps have also played for the Flyers; forty-four have appeared in games as both a Capital and a Ranger. And a whopping sixty-one NHLers have skated for both the Caps and Penguins.

When Jaromir Jagr pulls on the Flyers jersey on October 6, however, he'll be making history as the first person to ever suit up for all four.

It's perhaps a bit of a dubious distinction, to write oneself into the history books as the guy who has pissed off fans up and down the east coast (and continues to do so). And yet while he may go on record as the most traitorous of them all, he's hardly alone. After the jump, check out some of his fellow "traitors" and where they rank on a scale of 1-5 (1 being mildly traitorous, 5 being a blackhearted turncoat with no soul).

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Adam Oates - Now the assistant coach with another former Patrick Division rival, the New Jersey Devils, Oates was acquired by the Caps from Boston (the infamous swap that sent Jim Carey to the Bruins) in March of 1997 and went on to play five more seasons in DC. In 387 games with the Caps, Oates scored 63 goals and added an incredible 290 assists before being traded to Philadelphia in 2002 for Maxime Ouellet and three picks in that summer's draft. He would play just 14 games with the Flyers and retire two years later.
Traitor Scale: 1

Donald Brashear - He was the tough guy everyone loved to hate while with the Flyers, and the enforcer with a soft side who developed a devoted following once he arrived in DC to protect his young Russian teammates. Brashear would score just 10 goals in his three-year tenure with the Caps but would rack up 396 of his 2634 career penalty minutes during that time (and another 18 PIMs - and a six-game suspension - in the playoffs). After the 2008-09 season he was not re-signed by the Caps and instead moved back up I-95 to join the Rangers for the final leg of his NHL career. 
Traitor Scale: 2

Dainius Zubrus - Long before he was Alex Ovechkin's Russian-speaking support system, Zubrus was a first-round pick of the Philadelphia Flyers, a team for whom he would play parts of three seasons before moving on to Montreal and then being traded to Washington in 2001. His six seasons as a member of the Capitals spanned the fire sale, the lockout and the rebuild, during which he drew the enviable slot alongside Ovechkin and went on to register his only two twenty-goal seasons to date. 
Traitor Scale: 2

Pete Peeters - Another draftee into the Flyers organization, Peeters played four seasons for the Broad Street Bullies before being traded to Boston in 1982. Four years later he would once again find himself shipped out, this time to the Caps in exchange for fellow goaltender Pat Riggin. During his time with the Caps, Peeters would put up his second- and third-best seasons, compiling an overall record of 70-41-15 with a GAA of 3.05, a save percentage of .887 and seven shutouts. Decent numbers for the time, but he undid any goodwill by re-signing with the Flyers as a free agent in the summer of 1990 and would retire shortly after.
Traitor Scale: 3

John Druce - Druce is perhaps best known by Caps fans - and hockey fans everywhere - as the model of a playoff one-hit wonder. It was the spring of 1990 that made his name legend, as he followed up his eight-goal regular season with fourteen goals and three assists in fifteen playoff games en route to the franchise's first Conference Final berth. The Caps would ultimately lose to the Bruins, and Druce would move on to Winnipeg in 1992 before finishing out his career with three years in Philadelphia - where he managed just a single playoff goal.
Traitor Scale: 2

Keith Jones - A seventh-round draft pick by the Caps in 1988, Jones was a feisty and fairly reliable role-player, spending five years with the Caps in the mid-90s before ultimately being traded to Colorado. A trade from the Avs to Philadelphia in 1999 would mark the final move of his playing career, but the beginning of a new one - as the man simply known as "Jonesy", color commentator (and often shamefully-biased cheerleader) for the Flyers on Comcast and a member of the Versus panel of stars.
Traitor Scale: 4

Craig Berube - Berube, or "Chief", was a free-agent signing by the Flyers in 1986, and he honed his combat skills over the course of five seasons with Philly. After brief stops in Calgary and Toronto, Berube finally arrived in Washington and established himself as a fan favorite during his six-year tenure with the Caps, providing a pugilistic spark en route to the team's first Stanley Cup Final appearance. A trade the following season would send him back to Philadelphia, but he would grace DC with his presence one more time for a brief 22-game stint in 2000. Following his retirement two years later, Berube has gone on to coach Philly's AHL team, the Phantoms, before becoming an assistant coach with the Flyers.
Traitor Scale: 4

Mike Knuble - It's no surprise that Knuble's special skillset has been honed to perfection; after all, over the course of his 14-year career he has played alongside some of the game's greats, using his abilities to make his often more talented linemates even better. Knuble turned a two-year run with Detroit that included a Stanley Cup (yes, that Detroit team) into extended stretches with Boston and, most recently, the Flyers. After four years in Philadelphia, however, Knuble packed up his Penguin-killing skills and moved down I-95 to sign with the Caps. Smart man.
Traitor Scale: 4

Kevin Hatcher - Hatcher remains one of the better defensemen in Caps' franchise history, forming part of a once-terrifying defense that included Scott Stevens, Calle Johansson, and the Secretary of Defense himself, Rod Langway. The 17th pick in the 1984 Draft, Hatcher would go on to spend parts of ten seasons with the Caps before ultimately being traded to Dallas for another bruising defenseman, Mark Tinordi. A year later Caps fans would be forced to see him don the black and gold with Pittsburgh, playing for the Penguins for three years before another trade turned him into a Ranger.
Traitor Scale: 3

Larry Murphy - After starting his career with the Kings, Murphy would play parts of six seasons in Washington. Although a decent finesse defenseman, his time with the Caps is most frequently remembered as the moment the "Whoop Whoop" chant was born. After departing the District via trade to Minnesota, Murphy would go on to win two Stanley Cups with the Penguins and two with the Wings - including one against his former team - and was inducted into the Hockey Hall of Fame in 2004.
Traitor Scale: 3

Steve Eminger - A first-round draft pick in 2002, Eminger had the great misfortune to be a young defenseman on a team that needed every warm body it could get. Over the course of his five-year career with the Caps, Eminger would bounce between the NHL, the AHL and the press box before parlaying a standout playoff series against the Flyers into a trade to the Flyers (thanks again for Carlson, Steve). His time with Philadelphia was short-lived, as he found himself traded not once but twice the following season. After a stop in Anaheim, he signed with the Rangers where he continues to warm the pressbox play.
Traitor Scale: 2

Brent Johnson - A product of the St. Louis organization, Johnson spent five seasons with the Blues that included a remarkable playoff run in 2002. He signed with the Caps as a backup to Olie Kolzig right after the lockout and would continue to fill that role for the next four years, until the acquisition of Cristobal Huet created an overcrowded crease and sent Johnson to the press box for the remainder of the 2008-09 season. It's okay, though, he landed on his feet...in Pittsburgh...and became one of just five four a few players to play with both Alex Ovechkin and Sidney Crosby.
Traitor Scale: 4

Sergei Gonchar - Another home-grown defenseman, Gonchar was drafted by the Caps in the first round of the 1992 Entry Draft and went on to play almost ten seasons in Washington, where he scored 144 of his career-to-date 209 goals. When the team was busy shipping out salary and bringing in prospects in ’03, Gonchar asked to be traded as well rather than stay and be part of a rebuild. The Caps granted his wish, sending him to Boston for Shaone Morrisonn and the pick that would ultimately become Jeff Schultz, while Gonchar would appear in just fifteen games for Boston. The following season he signed with Pittsburgh, earning a Stanley Cup and the derision of many a Caps fan.
Traitor Scale: 4

Tom Poti - The Boston University standout-turned-NHLer established himself as a reliable puck-moving defenseman with the Edmonton Oilers, playing in Alberta for four seasons before being traded to the New York Rangers. From there, he began to take part in a fun ritual known as "annoy the crap out of Rangers fans", first by signing - and excelling with - the rival New York Islanders and then by not only signing with Washington but also lighting up his former team, in New York, in the playoffs, in a pivotal Game 6.
Traitor Scale: 4

Matt Cooke - Just in case you blocked out the memory forever, Matt Cooke was in fact a Capital at one time, acquired by the Caps at the 2008 trade deadline and appearing in seventeen regular season games, with another seven in the playoffs. Surprisingly enough (and most likely due to the brevity of his time here) he kept himself in check while wearing the red, white and blue, earning himself only a (highly questionable) fine for having the gall to knock Vincent Lecavalier over. He may have been relatively well-behaved in DC, but none of that mattered when his next move was to sign with the Penguins. And of course we all know how he behaved after that...
Traitor Scale: 4

Jaromir Jagr - What is there to say about ol’ JJ that hasn’t already been said a million times (and that doesn’t involve select four-letter words)? After tormenting Caps fans for years, establishing himself as a premier scorer and winning two Cups, he claimed to be "dying alive" in Pittsburgh and even talked about retirement rather than continue on. Instead the Pens called his bluff and moved him to Washington in exchange for a couple of no-name prospects and $5 million.

Ah, and all was good in the world. Jagr arrived in DC to a hero’s welcome and, albeit briefly, performed well for the Caps – just long enough to get that seven-year, $77 million contract. Soon his numbers slipped, his attitude devolved and his on-ice troubles were augmented by off-ice issues, leading the Caps to basically pay the Rangers to take him off their hands during that now infamous firesale of 2003.

But he wasn’t done yet. After four fairly successful years with New York he flew the coop, signing with the KHL's Avangard Omsk where he played for three seasons before ultimately deciding he missed the NHL far too much and wanted to make a comeback. As summer got underway, so too did "JagrWatch", and all signs pointed to a return to his roots with the Penguins - the team that drafted him led by the man who he claimed was his idol.

...so naturally he signed with their bitter cross-state rivals, the Philadelphia Flyers. Yeah, his heart may be in Pittsburgh, but his soul is long-gone.
Traitor Scale: 6. Because when you're all the way up, all the way up, all the way up, you're on five on your scale... Where can you go from there? Where? Nowhere. Exactly. What we do is, if we need that extra push over the cliff, you know what we do? Six. Exactly. One more treasonous.

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For a complete look at the intertwined history among the Caps, Flyers, Rangers and Penguins, check out the entire list here.

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by J.P. on Aug 9, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions   3 recs

I might bump Murphy up to a 4. Dirty traitor.

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by RedBirdie on Aug 9, 2011 11:07 AM EDT reply actions  

Was it his fault he left? I have a problem knocking guys that were run out of town.

Obviously, this is all speculation.

by Rob Parker on Aug 9, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

No one ever whooped Scott Stevens.

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by Carl Putnam on Aug 9, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions   4 recs

That’d be an awesome t-shirt.

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by J.P. on Aug 9, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

that’s because Scott Stevens would knock the whoop right out of you.

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by RedBirdie on Aug 9, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

“I Whooped Larry Murphy Before it was Cool”

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Aug 9, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

I used to whoop Gonchar, but then it became too mainstream.

by SethB on Aug 9, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

How many of these guys have been "whoop"d? How many have truly deserved it?

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by J.P. on Aug 9, 2011 11:09 AM EDT reply actions  

I can’t recall Johnson being "whoop"d, but moreover I can’t really think that his “betrayal” is on the same level as Matt Cooke. Not his fault he got squeezed out here and wanted to keep playing elsewhere, whether it’s several hour drive up the road or a 4 hour flight.

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by Bald Pollack on Aug 9, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

I would’ve put Johnny at maybe a 2 or 3 (secret double agent!). Poor Islanders don’t even get mentioned as a fellow division rival on the traitor scale…

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by apk3000 on Aug 9, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

that’s quite the first post. I’d take it more seriously if you had an avatar.

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by RedBirdie on Aug 9, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

It’s worth noting that not everyone (especially newer folks) will get that running joke…

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by J.P. on Aug 9, 2011 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess it has been a while since Bald was cracking the whip on avatar enforcement.

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by RedBirdie on Aug 9, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hear, hear!! Preach it brother!

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by OldPhil on Aug 9, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Welcome aboard. Excellent first comment.

Extra points for the old school O’s mentions. I miss the old Gray Lady.

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by Carl Putnam on Aug 9, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was an avid O’s fan as a teen – so I am well aware of the “O” tradition at memorial stadium, but….. obviously fans are chanting “O” because of Ovechkin. Whether it was “stolen” from Baltimore (or whether people just don’t know the history) really matters not. Why does this bother so many people? (I’ve read the complaint numerous other times form others). If you don’t like it, don’t take part!

by MikeBrady on Aug 9, 2011 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

because complaining is so much fun!

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by RedBirdie on Aug 9, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Caps fans have been doing “O” during the anthem since the Capital Centre days, so it’s hardly because of “Ovechkin.”

by CamaroWRX on Aug 9, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

So do excuses. Always cringe with the “O” and the Red (which Carolina fans did long before Capitals fans).

by Forsch31 on Aug 10, 2011 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

not buying that....

The “O” followed down I-95 to the Cap Centre when the Caps initially got good in the early 80s. It’s never really gone away, that I know of, anyway. Agreed, it is not nearly as boorish as the Canadiens’ fans booing the Star Spangled Banner, but it is uncouth at least. The anthem before important sports events is a reasonable, and important tradition in our country that says, at least for one minute, that we are all citizens come together to enjoy one of the fruits of our democracy (even Flyer fans). Especially in DC, with wounded service members from Bethesda at most games, we can stand up, sing with simple pride, and start the game. If for some reason you don’t care for the anthem, then just sit down and don’t bother anyone else.

by Meloapa on Aug 9, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

sitting down during the anthem is NOT going to go over well.

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by RedBirdie on Aug 9, 2011 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I really don’t want to have this discussion here, but I will note that anyone who’s ever fought for this country and what it stands for fought for your right to sit down during the national anthem.

I disagree with it and wouldn’t do it myself. But I’d defend someone else’s right to do it.

The rest of this should probably head over to the OTOT…

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by J.P. on Aug 9, 2011 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I’ve been yelling “O” since the early 90’s

Back when Ovechkin was just done wetting the bed

by Brainumbc on Aug 9, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

People’s biggest beef with yelling “O” is that is is disrespectful to veterans.

I’d like to hear veterans actually complain about it

I bet plenty of them do it too

by Brainumbc on Aug 9, 2011 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

growing up in baltimore, i honestly didn’t know that everyone, everywhere didn’t say “O”. I thought that was an American thing.

by 718CapsFan on Aug 9, 2011 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Back in the 90’s as a kid, hearing it: I thought it was just the crowd wanting to be interactive somehow. I never know about the Orioles relation until probably just 2-3 years ago

by Brainumbc on Aug 10, 2011 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

My dad did when he first heard it. Something along the lines of “what the bleep was that?!”

by Forsch31 on Aug 10, 2011 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

I complain about the O, and the Red. My feelings are that it is disrespectful, but that’s me.

My mind is all twtisted like a peanut.

by timmyv38 on Aug 10, 2011 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm a veteran

I neither yell “O”, nor “Red” during the Nat’l Anthem because I do, in fact, find it disrespectful. I also don’t berate, confront, give dirty looks to, or do anything else to someone who wants to do that. It’s not my thing, that’s my opinion, and the only person who I’ve asked not to do it is my wife.

by wittcap79 on Aug 10, 2011 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed. A whooper I am not…

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by J.P. on Aug 9, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Listen to your elders on this, folks. I have been going to Caps games since before Roger Crozier and Ron Low shut out the Colorado Rockies (look it up).

Would have rec’d the post except for this condescension.

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by Bald Pollack on Aug 9, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions   3 recs

What? Because he admits he’s an old fart, like me?

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by OldPhil on Aug 9, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

This old fart used to whoop Larry Murphy and Kevin Hatcher. Loudly. I ain’t proud, and probably wouldn’t do anything similar today, but I am under no illusions about why I did it.

Man, were those guys frustrating when they wore the Caps’ sweater. Misused by the coaching staff perhaps, but no matter how you slice it, it was painful to watch those guys back then. Murphy was never a good defender — not in any of his stops. And Hatcher, well, the gap between his accomplishments and his potential was pretty big. You just knew that those guys could be better in their own end. If only the decided it was important to them.

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by Gould Old Days on Aug 9, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

no, it’s one thing to be an old fart, it’s another thing to smack down other fans because they haven’t been at Caps games “since before Roger Crozier and Ron Low shut out the Colorado Rockies (look it up).”

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by RedBirdie on Aug 9, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I seriously question the judgment of anyone who’s been a fan of the Washington Friggin’ Capitals for that long.

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by Gould Old Days on Aug 9, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Guess you question my judgement, in that case. I followed the Caps even before the Colorado Rockies existed, the hockey version, that is, not the “newer” baseball version.

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by CapsFan75 on Aug 9, 2011 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Reasonable explanation which provides a good endpoint to this line of discussion.

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by J.P. on Aug 9, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep.

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by Bald Pollack on Aug 9, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Boooo

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by OldPhil on Aug 9, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Happy to discuss further if you’d like to email me or any of the mods…

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by J.P. on Aug 9, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

C’mon, just trying to be funny…like the OP. So I’ll shut up.

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by OldPhil on Aug 9, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, on second thought....

You’re right. That was a bit overboard. I am sorry.

I will now sentence myself to remembering the night in Chicago Stadium when Paul Mulvey sent an errant pass back to the point, the puck went the length of the ice and hopped over the stick of a sleep-walking Mike Palmateer and in to the net. Quite possibly the worst own-goal in NHL history. One of many dark nights for the Caps in that era.

by Meloapa on Aug 9, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

But what about Backstrom’s end to end rush in OT!

Obviously, this is all speculation.

by Rob Parker on Aug 9, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Caps fans yelling "O’ and “Red” at the Winter Classic was a pretty amazing experience. Fan solidarity! In another team’s “borrowed” barn no less.

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by capsyoungguns on Aug 9, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that was pretty freakin’ awesome. It was the only time I liked either of those – got chills hearing them (and then again on TV), very cool :)

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by Becca H on Aug 9, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Same for me. I got the chills too. Plus I loved how Ovi and the rest of the team looked both surprised and pleased hearing the Caps fans during the anthem.

I enjoyed your piece. Perfect August fare. I’ve never whooped a former player. I guess I’ve thought that it was out of the player’s control so why be disrespectful. Although Jagr may be a special case. In fact the Pens may develop a need for whooping this upcoming season.

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by capsyoungguns on Aug 9, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

The only time I whooped somebody is the night Emmy came back to town and was -4 (with Tampa I think). He was a special kind of suck that night.

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by Steve-R on Aug 9, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Murphy (obv)., Gonchar, and Hatcher come to mind. Seems to be a trend here that people really don’t like Offensive-minded defensemen.

Strangest “whoop” for me was still Glen Metropolit. Granted, it was light, but still, WTF?

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Aug 9, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Strangest one I’ve ever heard was for Sylvain Cote in the late 90s when he was with the Lightning (I think?). Truly odd. The guy was a bad-ass in his days in DC and didn’t deserve any whooping.

by Kareem E. on Aug 9, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

(Likely Toronto… maybe DAL or CHI, but he never played for TBL.)

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by J.P. on Aug 9, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

We do have a pattern in that regard. Although somehow I think that when Schultz leaves the team, one way or another, he’ll get whooped. Any guy who spends time here as a whipping boys, unfortunately, becomes a great whooping targets later, when he’s gone.

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by CapsFan75 on Aug 10, 2011 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

None

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by OldPhil on Aug 9, 2011 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hell, Kolzig was cajoled with some whoop when he was in his one start for Tampa.

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by Whiter Mage on Aug 9, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

…see, that one I don’t get. It shows a lack of understanding about why the taunting even came into existence. But again, fans =/= logic. As fan-related taunts go, this one doesn’t bother me that much.

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by Becca H on Aug 9, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

and I think those 7 people who whooped were taken out back and beaten.

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by RedBirdie on Aug 9, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m sorry. But if anyone “whooped” Kolzig, they’re an incurable asshole.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Aug 9, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hell, Kolzig was cajoled with some whoop when he was in his one start for Tampa.

By like… 1 person.

And given a standing ovation by the other 18000 people

by Brainumbc on Aug 9, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jagr will have played for all 4 teams, and when all is said and done he’ll be despised by all 4 fan bases

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by Fauxrumors on Aug 9, 2011 11:09 AM EDT reply actions   3 recs

Nah, Rags fans loved Jagr when he was there. I don’t think they’ll ever despise him in large numbers.

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by Killer_Carlson on Aug 9, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well done Becca. I’d have put Peeters at 4, but that is my only minor quibble.

It’s funny because I think Brashear is much more hated by Rangers fans than by Flyers or Caps fans. They didn’t want him in the first place and he did nothing during his brief stint there.

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by Carl Putnam on Aug 9, 2011 11:15 AM EDT reply actions  

Further to that last point, he fought Shanahan and KO’d Betts, so yeah, they were predisposed to hate him long before he actually played for them.

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by J.P. on Aug 9, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

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And further to that, Scotty Hockey, when the Rags signed Brash:

Disgraceful

All of the massive goodwill that Glen earned by dealing away the MexiCan’t is now gone as Sather has signed Donald Brashear.

Brashear is the worse kind of criminal in hockey and has no place on a NHL roster, much less ours.

The Washington Press tried to spin Brashear’s idiotic actions as a product of his hard luck story but the fact is this – Brashear is an animal. Tortorella at times would give Andre Roy one shift per game, Brashear doesn’t even deserve that.

If this is some kind of nonsensical PR trick to appeal to the Ice Hockey in Harlem kids, it won’t work (Al Montoya anyone?). Color and creed doesn’t matter, what is done on the ice does and what Brashear has done is inexcusable and has no place in New York.

I feel sick to my stomach. It is a good thing that the Rangers forced us to pay up front for our season tickets because I wouldn’t have renewed.

So yeah, Brash is much more hated by Rangers fans than by… anyone.

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by J.P. on Aug 9, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

but Rangers fans hate everyone.

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by RedBirdie on Aug 9, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

I must confess I didn’t understand why the Rangers even signed him to begin with. After the playoffs that year, I figured he’d be one of the last guys the Rangers would want.

I personally considered him the “enforcer with the good heart”, similar to most of the fan base here. I enjoyed meeting him at an autograph signing and could probably think of a million things to talk to him about. BTW, the movie “Men of Honor” starring Cuba Gooding was about one of Brash’s relatives.

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by CapsFan75 on Aug 10, 2011 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Pete Peeters once tussled with Ron Hextall (what a game that was… refs wandering around with yellow legal pads as if it was the final sequence in Youngblood), so I don’t think a “4” is warranted.

by CamaroWRX on Aug 9, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

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by WordsOnIce on Aug 9, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, well, I would have said “played” but that seemed too strong a word.

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by Becca H on Aug 9, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

…also, I think you’ll use ANY excuse to post that picture :P Not that I blame you, of course.

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by Becca H on Aug 9, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

that chick is checking out his ass

by Brainumbc on Aug 9, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

just a haunch?

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by Icebat on Aug 9, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I remember a lot of people saying “Johnny is dead to me” when he signed with Pittsburgh. And then they said it again when he re-signed there.

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by MyFriendCorey on Aug 9, 2011 11:27 AM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, I certainly said that.

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by J.P. on Aug 9, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

I hated it, but saw it coming a mile away. Yet I find I can’t really hate him. Yet, anyway.

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by gfcaps fan on Aug 9, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Johnson’s simply a guy who’s hard to hate. Still remember him being pressed into play during the Miracle on 34th Street game, despite being sick.

by Forsch31 on Aug 10, 2011 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

I recall that, as well.

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by CapsFan75 on Aug 10, 2011 8:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

That’s on par with Matt Cooke?

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by Bald Pollack on Aug 9, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

A four year team member and an end of season rental really aren’t the same thing, are they?

by SethB on Aug 9, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

What’s he done that’s made him a traitor other than signing a deal? Cooke’s done the same thing and tried injuring a former teammate (who happens to be the franchise cornerstone).l

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by Bald Pollack on Aug 9, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

I have no problem with Johnny getting a job at all, I was just pointing out the apples to oranges comparison.

by SethB on Aug 9, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Don’t stop my ranting!!1

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by Bald Pollack on Aug 9, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Where’s Chris Bourque?

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by Gould Old Days on Aug 9, 2011 11:30 AM EDT reply actions  

Wasn’t he just a waiver claim?

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by MyFriendCorey on Aug 9, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yup. That’s reason 1 of about 25 why he doesn’t belong on this list.

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by Gould Old Days on Aug 9, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I think when a guy is picked off of waivers – twice – and fans of both teams mock the other for the move, you lose the right to be known as a traitor.

…besides which, he’s not an NHLer so I don’t care enough to include him :P

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by Becca H on Aug 9, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Then there’s Kris Beech…

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by winterion on Aug 9, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Some baseball trivia (which relates to this a bit):

The only player to suit up for the Yankees, Mets, Dodgers, and Giants is Darryl Strawberry.

by RCheli on Aug 9, 2011 11:37 AM EDT reply actions  

Cocaine’s a hell of a drug.

by SethB on Aug 9, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

But for an example of a non drug induced traitor in modern baseball, here’s Johnny Damon. He started with the Red Sox. Then, signed a contract as a free agent with their most hated rival, the New York Yankees. When his contract with the Yankees expired, guess who he signed with. None other than the Tampa Bay Rays, the one team that both Yankee fans and Red Sox fans can agree to hate. Granted, the Rays are the “lesser of two evils” by comparison but certainly the #2 arch-rival.

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by CapsFan75 on Aug 10, 2011 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

OT comment is OT.

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by Bald Pollack on Aug 10, 2011 7:32 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Maybe I’m not in the spirit of this thing, but changing teams is a fact of life in sports and I can find something to like about everyone on this list. Except Jagr, of course.

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by Acer Jonesy's Laughker on Aug 9, 2011 11:47 AM EDT reply actions  

It’s just some fluffy August reading… try not to take it too seriously.

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by J.P. on Aug 9, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

If that came across as serious, I need to work on my delivery.

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by Acer Jonesy's Laughker on Aug 9, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, I know. Something of a general preemptive strike…

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by J.P. on Aug 9, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Keith Jones has gone on quite a few anti-caps rants on Versus. I wonder if there is bad blood there.

by Stormblue on Aug 9, 2011 12:08 PM EDT reply actions  

He and Bill Clement…sounds like a pattern.

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by OldPhil on Aug 9, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

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by oldemystix on Aug 9, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I’ll give KJ a pass seeing as how I liked him as a Cap and he supposedly saved Lindros’ life.

by Brainumbc on Aug 9, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can’t find the exact quote, but I always remembered Jones saying something about how glad he was to get out of the Caps organization right after he was traded that has always made me consider him one of the biggest traitors.

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by Baildog on Aug 10, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Knuble also had a brief stint as a member of the Rangers. Detroit traded him to New York just prior to the 1998-1999 season, and the Rangers shipped him to the Bruins at the deadline in 1999-2000.

by HockeyWeasel on Aug 9, 2011 12:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Indeed. I left that part out because it was clunky to write, but yes, just under 2 seasons as a Blueshirt.

Poor Knoobs has quite a history of evil to overcome…

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by Becca H on Aug 9, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

His Penguin-slaying ways more than make up for it.

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by RedBirdie on Aug 9, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

What would be the biggest traitorous moves that don’t involve Caps?

Didn’t Edmonton nearly implode when Gretzky went to LA.

I’m sure people in Atlanta (despite no longer having a team) are still pissed at Kovalchuck for abandoning them after being the only glimmer of hope for years and years.

There’s the Heatley hate, but I don’t get into that.

What other players have been demonized in the past 20-30 years for their movement?

by Brainumbc on Aug 9, 2011 12:49 PM EDT reply actions  

but I don’t won’t get into that.

by Brainumbc on Aug 9, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

In clear violation of your time limit, I see Phil Esposito in a Rangers uni. Park and Ratelle bore the stamp of treason in that trade, but Espo in Rags was blasphemy.

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by redlineblue on Aug 9, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

What would be the biggest traitorous moves that don’t involve Caps?

Roberto Duran’s bowel
…but that was 31 years ago

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by Icebat on Aug 9, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

A lot of Rags fans were not happy with Messier going to Vancouver.

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by Killer_Carlson on Aug 9, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Most Canuck fans didn’t like it either! LOL

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by Fauxrumors on Aug 9, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m amazed to see no mention of Bobby Carpenter. I’m not sure anyone has ever gotten as vitriolic a response in their first game returning.

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by AMusingFool on Aug 9, 2011 1:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Who’s that?

/Had to Look Him Up
//Not Really

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by Bald Pollack on Aug 9, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

To be fair, I didn’t see much about Carpenter that warranted being included since he was traded to the Rangers and was there for less than 30 games before being traded again. Being 4 at the time, I wasn’t aware that he received such a response (and didn’t think to look).

But the fact is that, looking at the list I provide at the end of the post, there are a number of guys you could add. There were bound to be some who got left out. I’m actually surprised I haven’t seen any “What, no Gartner???” responses. So feel free to include your own and what score they deserve on the Traitor Scale :)

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by Becca H on Aug 9, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

What, no Nylander?

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by J.P. on Aug 9, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

For what it’s worth, I’m saving my whooping for when Columbus comes to town 9/26, as it’s likely the only time I’ll see Giroux.

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by Bald Pollack on Aug 9, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was pretty young at the time as well (not quite that young, though); I just remember the chants of Bahhhhhbbeeeee that seemed to go on for the whole game.

I’m trying to remember all the details of why; certainly had something to do with how high a pick he was (3rd), and how it looked like he would be a huge star. Wikipedia says he was traded because he didn’t get along with Bryan Murray (I remembered there being something about why he got traded, but couldn’t remember the details), perhaps the press made more of that.

Just looked it up, and hadn’t noticed (or, at least, don’t remember noticing) that he was on the Bruins team that swept the Caps in their first postseason trip out of the Patrick Division.

Perhaps the vitriol died more quickly because he just wasn’t as good a player after leaving. And, heck, the Caps did hire him back for a season a bit later.

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by AMusingFool on Aug 9, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

How does a Caps fan classify Roenick?

He snubs the Caps and their fans, refusing to play in Washington despite the organization throwing the most money at him
(Where was the “in keeping with club policy, terms are not discussed” ?) Certainly not the first and won’t be the last to turn down money to play for a Vontenderkoun. Still, rather frustrating for a management/ownership trying to build something.

But now as a TV analyst, he’s become the biggest Caps homer since Craig Laughlin, keeping Mike Milbury honest and identifying Ovi as nothing short of Gretzky reincarnate.

I gotta say his guilty conscience now is probably more useful to the organization than his skills on the ice were then.

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by Icebat on Aug 9, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

he was forgotten before he was gone

No one cared about Carpenter for long because the trade that unloaded him brought Kelly Miller, who only gave the Caps what, 12 productive years, and Mike Ridley who was good for 8 or 9 productive years. Sometimes a player quitting on his team can work out for you.

Not allowed to hate on a former Cap if the team that picks him up gets completely ripped off by David Poile in the trade. Carpenter was in NY for about an hour before they unloaded him too.

by Meloapa on Aug 9, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thank you, Becca H! This is exactly what blogging was created for. What a great read – entertaining, memorable, and informative. Thanks for reinstilling my confidence that not all is lost in off-season reading ;o)

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by Scoops on Aug 9, 2011 4:13 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

Ok so Caps fan wise I’m quite the youngin so can someone please explain to me in detail the origins behind the “Whoop” catcalls and what/who it is used for and any other pertinent information regarding it? I know it is a taunt for defectors and I’ve kinda gone along with the chant for guys like Gonchar but I’ve never fully understood the history/pomp/circumstance/whatever behind the chant. If somone could just explain it to me in great deatil so I’m a better Caps fan for it I’d really appreciate it.

If con is the opposite of pro, then what is the opposite of progress?

by Area 51 Forever on Aug 10, 2011 5:53 AM EDT reply actions  

The short version is that it started as a means for expressing frustration at one of our own. Larry Murphy was the first to get it, and there is speculation that it was originally “Wuss” or “Wimp.” Murphy’s a pretty big guy, but wouldn’t hit anyone or play body position, and was frequently known to pull the “matador defense” or try to pick a guy’s pocket and go for a rush (often with disastrous results for the Caps). So there was a lot of frustration with him, and he got whooped while wearing a Caps sweater.

Murphy left, but folks still whooped him whenever he returned, which was pretty frequently. I think that’s when people got it in their head that this is something you do with former Caps who return, but really it was originally just about him. Meanwhile, frustration built with Kevin Hatcher for similar reasons, and he started getting the whoop. When he left, folks kept whooping him.

Gonchar got the whoop both as a Cap and after, but to a much lesser degree than Murphy or Hatcher. And some people started whooping any ex-Cap upon his return.

If it’s going to survive at all (and it probably shouldn’t), I think it’s best as a protest against any player who just doesn’t even try to play defense.

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by Gould Old Days on Aug 10, 2011 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Why shouldn't it survive?

I think it’s a pretty cool tradition to do to former Caps it doesn’t have to necessarily be malicious.

If con is the opposite of pro, then what is the opposite of progress?

by Area 51 Forever on Sep 2, 2011 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

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