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  • The Hockey News whips out the crystal ball and picks as its 2010-11 Stanley Cup Champs... guess who. [Capitals Overtime, All Things Avalanche]
  • The seat under Alex Ovechkin, it is hot... [NHL.com (Kreiser)]
  • ... as it is for Messrs. Green and Semin as well. [PHT]
  • Should the Caps pay particular mind to resting Tomas Vokoun during the regular season? [Left Wing Lock, NHL.com (Hradek)]
  • On Erev Caps Convention, there will be an alumni game out at Kettler featuring Peter Bondra and Calle Johansson, plenty of other Caps legends, and disappointment that Olie Kolzig's hip prevents him from taking part. [Capitals, Kukla's Korner]
  • The Caps are scoring big with the ladies. Awww yeah. [KOL]
  • Former Redskin Andre Carter's son has great taste in athletes. [NESN (h/t @nateewell)]
  • AO continues to be haunted by the Bolts. Sorta. [The Hopeful Chase]
  • It's just about back-to-school time, so it's never too early to plan for higher education. [Capitals Outsider]
  • Happy 26th birthday to Troy Brouwer and happy 54th birthday to Pete Peeters.
  • Finally, from the Department of Shameless Self-Promotion, we're honored to be nominated for one of CBS Washington's "Most Valuable Blogger" awards... but would be even more honored to win, so go and vote for us (early and often), won't you? [CBS Washington]

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From NHL.com (Kreiser):

Ovechkin often seemed to lack the little something extra that made him a megastar

Like PPGs?

"Shots aren't the important thing. Scoring chances are way more important than shots." - Bruce Boudreau

See my work on WaPo's Capitals Insider, ESPN Insider and Russian Machine Never Breaks (RMNB) Insider. I also log the Caps scoring chances. The 2010-11 summary spreadsheet is posted on Google Docs.

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by NGreenberg on Aug 17, 2011 7:10 AM EDT reply actions  

Side note:

Maybe I am reading too deep into this, but doesn’t this read like Stamkos was a bit of a let down?

Stamkos’ hot start (21 goals in 22 games) sparked talk that he could score 50 goals in 50 games; instead, he finished with 45 in 82 games.

"Shots aren't the important thing. Scoring chances are way more important than shots." - Bruce Boudreau

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by NGreenberg on Aug 17, 2011 7:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, 24 goals in 60 games pro-rates to ~32 goals over an 82 game season… which would be disappointing for Stamkos, no?

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by J.P. on Aug 17, 2011 7:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

But it was still a 45 goal season.

"Shots aren't the important thing. Scoring chances are way more important than shots." - Bruce Boudreau

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by NGreenberg on Aug 17, 2011 7:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Indeed. And the playoffs went very well, too. But I still think it’s fair and natural to be a bit let down when your guy has 21 through 22 and ends up with 45 – you’ve gone from the brink of “historic” to a 10% decline from the year before.

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by J.P. on Aug 17, 2011 7:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

(That said, if I was writing the article, I’d have gone with something like “Stamkos’ hot start (21 goals in 22 games) sparked talk that he could score 50 goals in 50 games; instead, he finished with a still-impressive 45 in 82 games.”)

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by J.P. on Aug 17, 2011 7:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

still-impressive

Yes, exactly.

"Shots aren't the important thing. Scoring chances are way more important than shots." - Bruce Boudreau

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by NGreenberg on Aug 17, 2011 7:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

The word out of Tampa was that Stamkos was battling a nagging wrist or shoulder injury for most of the second half of the season which probably was a major factor in his downturn from January on.

by b.orr4 on Aug 17, 2011 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

From KK

Even the alumni game prior to the Winter Classic had to be viewed by Caps fans online, as it was not broadcast in the area.

Ahem. It wasn’t particularly broadcast anywhere other than NHLN, was it? And not well, as they used much of the time to interview people. This was not something the Caps could control, it was a Penguins WC host event.

I’m thinking we’re not really going to want to link to this guy, remembering his introductory post.

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by gfcaps fan on Aug 17, 2011 7:27 AM EDT reply actions  

and most of the time was a Mario Lovefest.

that guy….reminds me, I need to make that Schultz graphic…..

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by RedBirdie on Aug 17, 2011 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Summary of bullet points 2 & 3: Caps “Young Guns” are on the on the hot seat. (I can just picture a photo shop image of them.)

Rocking the Red for teams on the banks of the Potomac and at the Gateway Arch and Singing the Blues about Hockey.

by CapsFan75 on Aug 17, 2011 7:32 AM EDT reply actions  

___

And the one not mentioned is certainly not immune from that tag.

Btw, when we ran a similar, Caps-specific post a year ago, we had AO at three (out of five) hot sticks and Green at two. We’ll see where they end up this year.

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by J.P. on Aug 17, 2011 7:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

From that post:

Bruce Boudreau. No, he’s not on the verge of being fired. But in nearly three full seasons with the Caps, Gabby has followed up a 113-point average regular season point pace with one playoff series win and three series losses… to lower-ranked teams… on home ice. With payroll and expectations being what they are, this is an important year for Boudreau’s boys to show what they’ve got. If that ain’t much, someone’s going to have to be held responsible for another disappointing spring.

… and that someone was Boyd Gordon. Second round exit… it’s all your fault!

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by J.P. on Aug 17, 2011 7:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

There he is, ‘whoop’ him!

"My favorite fan base in D.C. Is United's. Period. The end." - Steinberg

by Bald Pollack on Aug 17, 2011 7:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

And Bradley and Fehr as well!

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by CapsFan75 on Aug 17, 2011 7:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Cue — that chant.

(No, it was Varly’s fault! Wait, he didn’t play in the playoffs!)

Rocking the Red for teams on the banks of the Potomac and at the Gateway Arch and Singing the Blues about Hockey.

by CapsFan75 on Aug 17, 2011 7:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Losses to the Flyers, Penguins, Canadiens and Lightning. Wins over the Rangers and Rangers. Isn’t that two playoff series wins and four series losses?

"Fais gros comme moi!" - Alex Ovechkin

by Gould Old Days on Aug 17, 2011 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

The blockquote was from a year ago.

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by J.P. on Aug 17, 2011 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

an objective view of this

Well since I am not a Capitals fan….

When Ovie did this … “Were not worthy ! All hail the holy hockey stick” Trick after scoring the goal…

Some people were upset

Some saw it was great and great enthusiasm

I thought it was great and great enthusiasm… Man .. GOD forbid someone brings some excitement into the game or the NHL.

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by FLYERROB on Aug 17, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I read the “How to Get the Capitalsology” piece in Capitals Outsider. There was the remark that you don’t need to know about sine, cosine, and tangents in “real life”. But trigonometric functions would be used in “The Physics of Hockey” since it would make use of concepts like angular velocity and angular momentum and “Capitals Architecture” would make use of trigonometry. (And I have made use of the Pythagorean Theorem on the job.)

 —- Shameless math plug here

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by CapsFan75 on Aug 17, 2011 7:51 AM EDT reply actions  

as to resting Vokun, I suggest they aim for a 60/40 split because as evidenced by this wonderful bit of research high goalie minutes != Stanley Cup win

by Beakers Lab on Aug 17, 2011 8:14 AM EDT reply actions  

On Erev Caps Convention

You’re funny, J.P.

Lacking specific evidence to the contrary, I shall blame this on Chemmy and Two Line Pass.

by CapitalCentre on Aug 17, 2011 8:50 AM EDT reply actions  

Haven’t actually listened to it but:

Steve_Lloyd

Matt Bradley interview where he calls out Alex Semin can be found here. Great, honest stuff: http://t.co/EBn2omy #Team1200

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by EmilyB on Aug 17, 2011 8:55 AM EDT reply actions  

QnD:

On staying: Some talks happened, though nothing came of it.

On the lack of Caps postseason success: Some guys didn’t show up, though he doesn’t name names, thinks the room was too nonchalant and undisciplined.

Thinks the guys that didn’t play well were the ones getting more ice time and the best guys would play “no matter what.”

Were guys who missed practice with “questionable” injuries

On Semin (the one guy he names): “just doesn’t care…almost get the sense he wants to be back in Russia.”

Thinks Bruce was(is?) in a tough position because the stars get the money and people come to see them, but sometimes they maybe should sit/not see as much time when they’re not playing well to send a message to the room.

Thinks AO “has some growing up to do” vis a vis “taking care of himself,” but he’s all in for winning a Cup here.

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by Bald Pollack on Aug 17, 2011 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions   4 recs

Pretty tough talk from a guy who played all nine playoff games and went 0-0-0, -3.

"I remembered when he said that and I kind of looked at him during the warm up and told myself that I got to shut these guys out tonight." - Michal Neuvirth, 02.06.11.

by bagace on Aug 17, 2011 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Which apparently makes all of his observations false? OK.

"My favorite fan base in D.C. Is United's. Period. The end." - Steinberg

by Bald Pollack on Aug 17, 2011 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

No, but think looking in the mirror would also help.

"I remembered when he said that and I kind of looked at him during the warm up and told myself that I got to shut these guys out tonight." - Michal Neuvirth, 02.06.11.

by bagace on Aug 17, 2011 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m guessing plenty of that occurs already when you’re a career 4th liner.

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by Bald Pollack on Aug 17, 2011 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not sure his playoff line in any way detracts from his ability to assess what’s gone on in the room.

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by J.P. on Aug 17, 2011 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions   4 recs

The question was directly about why the Caps can’t go far in the playoffs, so I saw his answer as addressing that timeframe. His solution was to replace Semin with Chimera. Would anyone here agree with that?

"I remembered when he said that and I kind of looked at him during the warm up and told myself that I got to shut these guys out tonight." - Michal Neuvirth, 02.06.11.

by bagace on Aug 17, 2011 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Of course not.

BP gave a great, wide-ranging rundown of what was said. You implied that because he was pointless and minus-3 in the playoffs that it lacked validity and/or that he shouldn’t have answered questions that were asked of him (or been so forthcoming). I disagreed with those implications.

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by J.P. on Aug 17, 2011 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

I clicked on Em’s link, so I guess my comment should have gone under that, not BP’s synopsis. If he had taken some of the blame for the 4th line not performing well in the playoffs, rather than just pointing the finger at the top 6 (and Semin in particular) then it wouldn’t have just come across to me like sour grapes.

"I remembered when he said that and I kind of looked at him during the warm up and told myself that I got to shut these guys out tonight." - Michal Neuvirth, 02.06.11.

by bagace on Aug 17, 2011 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

I kind of agree that it came across as a bottom-6 forward taking shots at the top-6 forwards. But it was also pretty accurate.

by _Skullduggery_ on Aug 17, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’d even add that his Chimera for Semin solution was less “here’s what we should do” and more towards his overall observation of top guys still seeing a ton of time regardless of form (which we’ve talked about before).

Besides, he even alludes to him not being a part of said solution as is.

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by Bald Pollack on Aug 17, 2011 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

His solution was to give the guys who were playing well in the playoffs more ice time. That sounds sensible.

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by oldemystix on Aug 17, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Can’t bench your stars.

by reesem37 on Aug 17, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was responding specifically to bagace’s misinterpretation of Bradley’s comments.

Benching stars might be difficult of impossible, but limiting their minutes when they aren’t being effective has some merit. The playoffs are a different animal, but even people on this board have called for benching of stars to send a message.

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by oldemystix on Aug 17, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whyno transcribed portions of the interview, including this:

The way I look at it, in the playoffs you’re gonna have guys who play well in the playoffs and guys who don’t, so in my opinion you should kinda run with the guys that are playing well, and I don’t think we always did that there, which for whatever reason I don’t know. If it’s a guy like Jason Chimera who’s maybe your third-line guy playing well, I think you should play him more if one of the top two-line guys aren’t playing well."
He praised Ovi and called out Semin in other parts of the interview. Is it that far-reaching for me to assume when he talks of benching “one of top two-line guys” that he’s speaking about Semin? Do you think he means Knuble or Laich?

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by bagace on Aug 17, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or Backstrom, even?

by SethB on Aug 17, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hard to envision a suggestion to sit Backstrom, given the team’s options at that position (which I think is your point). So yeah, by process of elimination…

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by J.P. on Aug 17, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Without trying to bash Bradley here, am I seeing a coaching philosophy from him? It doesn’t seem to me that it strays far from what a lot of people will say/whine when some players aren’t playing well.

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by gfcaps fan on Aug 17, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t need a transcription. I listened to the actual interview several times.

And the top two lines are made up of six guys.

Brads was saying that if the players on the top two lines weren’t playing well then players who are playing well should probably be given more minutes.

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by oldemystix on Aug 17, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

You said:

His solution was to replace Semin with Chimera.

So yes, your statement is far-reaching.

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by oldemystix on Aug 17, 2011 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

First of all, his role has never been to score. Second he played less than 9 minutes a game, with virtually no PPTOI (:12/gm). From my memory of Bradley in the playoffs, he didn’t make any huge mistakes and never seemed to be dogging it. I wish the same could be said for some other players.

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by Steckel Me Elmo on Aug 17, 2011 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

However, in the span of nine games you do expect the 4th line to combine for about 2 goals. Hendricks, Gordon, Bradley all went 0-0-0 (Hendricks played only 7 games). Almost everyone played badly against Tampa including the 4th line. They share the blame with the rest of the team, relative to their role but still.

by Sjomin on Aug 17, 2011 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Out of those three, I felt Hendricks was the one with a disappointing playoffs compared to the expectations he generated in the regular season. He is the only one on that line with anything resembling a “scoring touch.”

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by oldemystix on Aug 17, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Calling out performance to validate/contradict opinion only works on bloggers and Barry Melrose.

Bruce Boudreau when asked about Brooks Laich's return to the lineup, he said: "He just adds another dimension to our team. If it was puzzle, he just fits that thing. He completes us."

Brooks Laich completing everything from teams to tires and everything in between.

by breaklance on Aug 17, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

A lot of this, unfortunately, doesn’t surprise me.

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by Steckel Me Elmo on Aug 17, 2011 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

He said about being undisciplined that he didn’t mean guys going out the night before the game, it was things like being unprepared for practice or not practicing due to questionable injuries, or being unfocused.

He said Semin was extremely talented and could be the best player in the league if he wanted but he just didn’t care and he didn’t show up sometimes and that hurt them.

He said that BB should play someone like Chimera in the playoffs if he was playing well and someone on the the top two lines wasn’t.

by vtcapsfan99 on Aug 17, 2011 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Chances of Bradley’s comments lighting a fire under Sasha? Cloudy with a chance of meaballs?

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by gfcaps fan on Aug 17, 2011 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

If it was Patrick Kane talking…

by RCheli on Aug 17, 2011 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Semin likely never even hears about Brads comments as he hibernates in Siberia. I doubt he cares at all about getting called out. If he cared, he would also care about not performing to his best all the time.

I recall a radio interview where Slava Malamud said Semin doesn’t care about his image in North America, that he wanted American journalists to think he was a jerk so they would leave him alone, but he really wasn’t a jerk, it just benefited him to have that appearance.

by vtcapsfan99 on Aug 17, 2011 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

I wish he would think about how he comes across to his teammates and how that impacts the room.

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by oldemystix on Aug 17, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I like Brads, but I’ve never been a fan of guys who leave an organization and then speak badly about them when they hit their new city. It’s certainly his right, but I’ve always felt “no comment” is the best way to go when being asked about your past team, particularly one that treated you well when you were there.

by b.orr4 on Aug 17, 2011 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

It’s not like he’s saying anything new. Pretty much everything there has been said here, at some point.

My mind is all twtisted like a peanut.

by timmyv38 on Aug 17, 2011 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry, I just don’t like the optics when an ex-player decides to go public on his old teammates after his former team doesn’t re-sign him. If he had voiced those kind of concerns while he was here and then was just repeating it, that’s different. But Brads was Mr. Positive when he wore a Caps jersey. Now that Florida is signing his paycheck, it’s OK to air the dirty laundry. I orginally felt kind of bad about him leaving, but not any more.

by b.orr4 on Aug 17, 2011 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m feeling that kind of vibe, too. But I also haven’t listened to how he said it.

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by gfcaps fan on Aug 17, 2011 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

I haven’t listened to it but others have implied that the hosts were trying to get him to say even more and he actually was fairly diplomatic.

Also I’m more concerned with whether he said those things to his teammates while he was here (not that we’ll ever know) – had he said this kind of stuff publicly while wearing a Caps jersey I would have been both shocked and a bit upset. Deal with stuff like this in the room, not through the media.

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by Becca H on Aug 17, 2011 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

First guy to fight Brads: Hendricks?

by reesem37 on Aug 17, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe, but it’s got nothing to do with this quote. I’d be willing to bet Hendricks (and almost everyone else on the team) are in full agreement RE: Alex Semin.

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by D'ohboy on Aug 17, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

And I’d bet a few guys smiled at seeing it aired publicly.

Obviously, this is all speculation.

by Rob Parker on Aug 17, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

And Alex Semin gave not even the slightest of fucks. He’s like a cat, that one.

by DrinkingPartner on Aug 17, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Go Flyerz!

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by EmilyB on Aug 17, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m willing to bet that Brads and others in the locker room have had several conversations with Semin about this privately. It’s hard to call out a teammate mid-season when you’re in a playoff battle.

by Kolzilla on Aug 17, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are any of the posters that wanted veterans to be more open the same as the ones that are upset now?

Obviously, this is all speculation.

by Rob Parker on Aug 17, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was trying to remember, but felt searching the archives would be too time consuming. If anyone has time one their hands, another thing to look at would be whether any of those speaking out now also spoke out when others said they wanted veterans to be more open.

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by oldemystix on Aug 17, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rec’d for reason.

Armareddon.

by D'ohboy on Aug 17, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Green said something similar in a radio interview about Semin earlier this summer, but it wasn’t quite as harsh. He said that Semin was one of the most skilled guys in the league and anytime he’s on the ice he’s a threat and can score goals, it’s just a matter if Semin wants to push through and score.

by vtcapsfan99 on Aug 17, 2011 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Also – Brads was asked about the “hit” on Crosby in the Winter Classic. Mentioned Steckel was his roommate on the road, called him a gentle giant, and said Steckel wasn’t looking at Crosby, and it was completely unintentional.

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by Sombrero Guy on Aug 17, 2011 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions   3 recs

Good look, I bailed once they switched to talking about the Sens.

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by Bald Pollack on Aug 17, 2011 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oddly enough, THAT little snippet hasn’t really made the rounds…it should.

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by Becca H on Aug 17, 2011 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

I fear certain segments of the Canadian hockey media establishment will crucify Brads for sticking to the facts and they’ll attempt to strip him of his citizenship.

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by RedBirdie on Aug 17, 2011 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good luck with that one getting traction.

The other snippet that hasn’t is the one on Tallon. I really wished they had asked a follow up on his comments in terms of if he meant what he said in relation to GMGM or just in general.

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by Carl Putnam on Aug 17, 2011 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

what did Brads say?

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by RedBirdie on Aug 17, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Going from memory, I think it was with Tallon you could have a direct conversation, know where you stood more (or words to that effect).

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by Bald Pollack on Aug 17, 2011 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

interesting. of course, they’re still in a bit of a honeymoon period in Florida.

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by RedBirdie on Aug 17, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes.

Not surprising as players seem to love Tallon. Of course, the way he uses his owner’s checkbooks might also have something to do with that.

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by Carl Putnam on Aug 17, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

You get millions of dollars! You get millions of dollars! EVERYONE GETS MILLIONS OF DOLLARS!

/Oprah

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by RedBirdie on Aug 17, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

One of my favorite gifs of all time.

"Now wait a minute. This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man."

by The Ghost of Bebop on Aug 17, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Called dealing with him (Tallon) “a breath of fresh air.”

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by bagace on Aug 17, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

In direct contrast to his last GM or in general?

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by J.P. on Aug 17, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

That was the problem. It was unclear, at least to me, which he meant. The hosts never followed up to clarify.

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by Carl Putnam on Aug 17, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Never named GMGM (or any others), but I always assumed that expression implied that he’d been dealing with a foul stench before.

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by bagace on Aug 17, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not sure a GM who players find wonderful is a great thing.
I’m sure Fleishman thinks his $4.5 mil is wonderful but are contracts like that really going to lead to a winning team?

by Stormblue on Aug 17, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was in the context of talking about all the new players getting together with Tallon and others from the FL organization. As CP said, there was no follow-up question, so it is difficult to read more into his comment.

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by oldemystix on Aug 17, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

gentle giant…..right until you get in his way. right, Eric Fehr?

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by RedBirdie on Aug 17, 2011 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

I mean just looking at Semin it almost looks like he doesn’t care. He always seems like a guy, when viewed from afar, that looks disinterested and wouldn’t mind playing in Russia.

Funny though, because when you hear quotes from him and interviews he always seems upbeat and reaffirms that this is where he wants to be.

by reesem37 on Aug 17, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

“I hef say what for $6.7 million dollars? Ho-k. I love NHL and DC and do not want to go to Russia. Crosby is dead wood. Kane is awesome. Moneez please. "

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by Alz Well That Ends Well on Aug 17, 2011 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Hey come on, his English is better than that!

by reesem37 on Aug 17, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think it is a little dangerous to judge someone as not caring because they kept their feelings in. This is classic introvert behavior, an introvert don’t reveal how they feel about things when they are not in a situation where they feel comfortable. According to Chesnokov on twitter, Semin does care, his problem is motivation. I understand this because I would love to lose 10 lbs, I care about gaining weight, but do I do anything about it? Nope because I lack motivation.

by vtcapsfan99 on Aug 17, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sounds like he needs a sports psychologist.

by reesem37 on Aug 17, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I believe Green can make a referral there.

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by gfcaps fan on Aug 17, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are you saying he lacks motivation to share his feelings more openly or to perform at a higher level? $6.7MM and a chance for the Stanley Cup should be all the motivation he needs for the latter.

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by Alz Well That Ends Well on Aug 17, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

After 6(?) years on the team, introvert or not, Semin should at least be comfortable with his teammates and they should have an idea that he cares. That doesn’t seem to be the case.

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by oldemystix on Aug 17, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m sure he cares, it just doesn’t seem to bother him afterwards or cause him to make “I’ve gotta change this” statements. That could be taken as uncaring.

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by apk3000 on Aug 17, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with you on that. Brads says that Sasha doesn’t care. How does he know? How much did Brads engage Semin? Did he ever talk to him, have him over for dinner? Talk to him at the time about anything? Brads states it as a fact without evidence, and I mean real evidence, not just feelings.

I remember this year Knuble admitted he’d never really talked to Semin, had never had dinner with him. Why not? I would have expected Knuble to reach out and try to engage all of the younger players, particularly one so important to the success of the team. I think it says as much about some of the other players on the team as it does about Semin that they really don’t seem to know him after all of these years.

I don’t doubt that Brads feels this way, and I still like him. But, I also think there is a huge disconnect here between people like Semin and many others. I think that disconnect is a combination of culture (nationality), personality, and role on the team.

One reason I’ve always been sympathetic toward Semin is I recognize him. At time in my life I’ve been called the ice queen and it wasn’t because of my skating ability. Some people cultivate a stoic or cold outward appearance and it’s mistaken for indifference at best or a lack of caring at the worst. I know how much I care about things, but don’t show it outwardly, so I recognize that in Semin. I also think he is a perfectionist. It does not mean he always performs perfectly, but wants to so badly that he’d rather do nothing than do it badly. It’s a constant tension and struggle. I think it’s one reason he goes it alone at times because he can’t see that he can make the perfect play (and I don’t mean necessarily “pretty,” but efficiently effective) by passing to a linemate who is not nearly as capable. It may not be right for him to do that, but I think it stems from him caring a lot. He just sees how to effect that differently from the type of person who’s MO is just get it done somehow, even if it’s not very good or has to be done again.

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by Seminrocks on Aug 17, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions   4 recs

I think we’ve heard enough to infer that Semin could be more engaged than he is, Don’t you? I mean, Arnott basically said the same thing last year, then Green this offseason before Brads.

And frankly I don’t blame Brads at all. If there were someone on my team who wasn’t engaged, got tons of ice time and didn’t do shit with it in the playoffs I’d be pissed too.

by Kolzilla on Aug 17, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wouldn’t the possibility that over 5+ years as teammates they never talked, had dinner, whatever make the point pretty clearly that the guy didn’t care to an acceptable degree about being a part of a team?

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by J.P. on Aug 17, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

How much of that is on Brads or the others on the team who didn’t ask?

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by Seminrocks on Aug 17, 2011 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

At some point it’s a two-way street. If every player who leaves seems to be saying the same things, maybe Semin should start offering to take people to dinner.

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by Alz Well That Ends Well on Aug 17, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I think we’ve gone a speculation too far – to assume they’ve never talked or had dinner and then to assume one party never asked the other is more than a little silly.

Bottom line: Alex Semin has not integrated himself into the team. Do you ever see him “out with the guys” when they’re doing whatever it is that they do? Do you see him frequently joking around at practice (cue the “sitting on Neuvy’s knee” photo, but even then… ever with a non-Euro)?

The guys don’t necessarily all have to be BFFs or anything, but when you combine the self-imposed isolationism with what goes on on and around the ice, I don’t think there’s any valid reason to question Bradley’s assessment.

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by J.P. on Aug 17, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

There’s a picture somewhere of him sitting on Johnny’s knee… /hides

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by Becca H on Aug 17, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

So he’s into giving goalies lap dances…

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by J.P. on Aug 17, 2011 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Hey, you can’t say he didn’t try to carve out a niche for himself on the team… :)

But in all seriousness, I’m with you on this point. We don’t know much about what goes on with these guys and how much they socialize, but based on what we DO know he doesn’t seem like part of the team to the extent that he includes them – or is included by them – in the personal side (unless Ovechkin is in charge).

I will say that I’ve seen him goofing around with lots of different guys, North Americans and Euros alike, in practices and on the bench, so my sense isn’t that the guys don’t like him – just that they don’t get him. Or maybe he doesn’t get them. Whatever it is, neither side seems to have been successful in figuring the other out.

…but again, who the hell knows?

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by Becca H on Aug 17, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

More importantly, how does any of that discredit what Matt Bradley said?

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by J.P. on Aug 17, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ah, even more important point – it doesn’t. Whether the two hang out or not doesn’t impact the things Brads sees (or doesn’t see) in the room, on the ice, in practice, etc.

I think after the amount of time they’ve played together they probably have a pretty good read on one another, whether or not they’ve had lengthy conversations about their hopes and dreams during that span.

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by Becca H on Aug 17, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

No it doesn’t, but when a statement like that is made, it needs a follow-up: why do you say that? What has happened to make you say and feel that? How do you know? I always want to know the why for things.

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by Seminrocks on Aug 17, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Question: if Bradley had said “it seems as if he just doesn’t care” instead of “he just doesn’t care,” would all be ok with you? Arguendo, instead of stating as fact that the player didn’t care (how would he know? he’s not in his head), if he couched it as his impression, would it have been better?

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by J.P. on Aug 17, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d still want to know why he says that.

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by Seminrocks on Aug 17, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Specific examples would of course be great. But with his tenure and track record, there’s more than enough credibility to put stock in that assessment.

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by J.P. on Aug 17, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Then you’d do a better job than an Ottawa DJ.

It doesn’t change the fact that this guy spent more time on Caps ice than anyone not named Ovechkin over the last 6 years and some deference should be paid.

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by Bald Pollack on Aug 17, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Although, given what we know about the core of this team and going out, maybe it’s better that Semin isn’t part of that…

Obviously, this is all speculation.

by Rob Parker on Aug 17, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

True. By shunning negative influences, Alex Semin has proven himself to be the consummate team player.

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by J.P. on Aug 17, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right, I’m sure the Flyers will be trading for him shortly as part of their efforts to overhaul the clubhouse.

by Kolzilla on Aug 17, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Alex Semin is a one-man Dry Island.

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by J.P. on Aug 17, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

00000000

Only because none of the other islands made an effort to talk to him!

I would actually say he’s more of a…

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by Alz Well That Ends Well on Aug 17, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Semin all over the Dry Ice?

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by oldemystix on Aug 17, 2011 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I also share qualities with Semin, so I know where he’s coming from 80% of the time, but boy does he piss me off. He gives other talented, awkward introverts a bad name. To fit in, at some point the introvert has to show some glimmer of reciprocity, otherwise you’re always the stranger in the room. From what others have said (and from recognizing the type of people they are), they have made overtures, but Sasha hasn’t kept up his end of things. Most people get tired and give up after a while. I’ve seen it play out in my own life. They have done their part; Sasha needs to step up.

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by oldemystix on Aug 17, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

LTNS. Perhaps, just that notion still is based on all of the usual ways we know people care, outward signs. I still would like to know specifically, exactly why Brads says that. You may think you don’t have to have a conversation with someone or go to dinner with them to know, but do you think it’s good NOT to do those things? My point is that IF you do those things, perhaps you learn more than you knew. It’s the whole reason we have social interaction, not just workplace interaction. It’s opportunity to find out more about people you spend time with, what makes them tick. We all know Sasha’s a different kind of cat, as Arnott said, which is all the more reason to try to get to know him better. I like factual details to back up statements like Brads’.

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by Seminrocks on Aug 17, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

or, you know, teammates made attempts to connect and Semin pushed them away. You have as much clue as the rest of us to the inner workings of the Caps: none. So, please, stop trying to imply that Matt Bradley or anyone else went all Mean Girls on poor, precious Sasha and his delicate feelings.

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by RedBirdie on Aug 17, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions   4 recs

So please, that’s a mischaracterization of what I said. It’s just as valid to be the devil’s advocate on one side as the other. Brads took a big dump on Sasha. I’d just like to know exactly why he said that. I’d really like to know what he’s actually experienced. But, I won’t get to. So we all speculate.

FWIW from twitterverse:

priscillamay1 Priscilla Villanueva
@VogsCaps that’s a very tough personality in a team environment, but he’s definitely not malicious. I just don’t think he can help it.

priscillamay1 Priscilla Villanueva
@VogsCaps my impression: he is PAINFULLY shy, has a lot of pride, & he’s afraid 2 belong to anything because he doesn’t want to get hurt.

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@priscillamay1 I don’t disagree with those assessments.

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by Seminrocks on Aug 17, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

But no one is calling Semin malicious. We’re saying that Brads was not being malicious when he said Semin doesn’t care. He may be wrong, but it is the impression that teammate after teammate has taken away from the situation. If they all get that and your response is that it is because Semin is a delicate flower who they never make an attempt to spend time with, well, maybe all those things are true, but they aren’t conducive to a successful team chemistry.

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by Alz Well That Ends Well on Aug 17, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just showing a conversation there. I did not use that term. It was more about Vogs seeming to agree that a lot of it is just Semin’s shy personality. That’s all.

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by Seminrocks on Aug 17, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ok and let’s say that’s a legit read. Maybe that kind of person, despite their physical skill, isn’t going to be ultimately successful in a team sport like hockey. Or maybe they will achieve individual success, but not team success.

Overall point is that Brads is not a sports psychologist. He is a hockey player. And his read, after 5 years, is that Semin doesn’t care. So who can change that? Brads or Semin?

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by Alz Well That Ends Well on Aug 17, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I actually find it interesting that after 5 years Brads thinks Semin doesn’t care, if in fact he really does care a lot. How does Semin act that he doesn’t show that to his teammates? There must be a big disconnect in the locker room. I was also surprised that apparently Knuble hadn’t really talked to Semin. It seemed that Arnott made a lot of efforts to get to know him that others maybe hadn’t. I’m not blaming either side. It’s just curious that Bradley didn’t really know Semin and what he wants after all their time together. Semin does seem friendlier with some guys, like Mike, Nicky, Carlson judging by the way he hangs on them and smiles. But didn’t Nicky in that same article where Knuble said he didn’t really know Semin also say he didn’t know Semin all that well? Maybe Ovie and Varly were the only ones that really did know Semin. Slava thought it was best for Ovie and Semin to be separated. He thought their close friendship would be divisive to the rest the team and make other feel excluded.

by vtcapsfan99 on Aug 17, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sounds like the plot for that hockey musical movie Battle of California was talking about the other day.

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by Alz Well That Ends Well on Aug 17, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, pull it out of context. It’s about the bigger idea of his shy personality making him hard to read and Vogs not disagreeing or seeming to agree, whichever.

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by Seminrocks on Aug 17, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

So Vogs is now a better source on things Semin than a guy he played with for years?

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by Bald Pollack on Aug 17, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s our delicate little flower. Wouldn’t want to see his feelings get hurt.

by reesem37 on Aug 17, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Fun fact: in the history of this blog, I’ve never used the phrase “give me a fucking break” before, so kudos to @priscillamay1 for eliciting it from me.

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by J.P. on Aug 17, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions   3 recs

Shocking that a team employee is trying to deny that Semin’s attitude is hurtful to the clubhouse.

by Kolzilla on Aug 17, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Vogs also, it should be noted, wasn’t ardently defending Semin:

@VogsCaps I know he is. Doesn’t mean Brads is wrong, tho. @dchesnokov: Sasha is a good kid. And I am saying it not because I am Russian

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by J.P. on Aug 17, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s good to know, my bad for commenting on it before reading all of Vogs’ tweets.

by Kolzilla on Aug 17, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

When a guy is 27, and you’re defending him by saying he’s a “good kid”, then he needs to grow the fuck up.

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by Gould Old Days on Aug 17, 2011 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions   4 recs

ok so if you are critical of the word choice of Chesnokov, which probably means nothing, what do you say about John Carlson, quoted by TEB on twitter:

Caps John Carlson defended Alex Semin, calling him a good person and the “most exiting player in the NHL.”

by vtcapsfan99 on Aug 17, 2011 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Which also doesn’t refute Bradley.

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by oldemystix on Aug 17, 2011 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you’re being paid to play a game, you’re still a kid.

Or put another way, they’re all kids to me. Well, almost all (Knuble’s not, for one).

Don’t try to figure Sasha out. Just ride the wave.

by gfcaps fan on Aug 17, 2011 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mike Knuble’s not a kid.

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by Gould Old Days on Aug 17, 2011 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I said that, right?

Besides, it was all said with a smile, anyway.

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by gfcaps fan on Aug 17, 2011 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

yup

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by Gould Old Days on Aug 17, 2011 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

It is beyond unfathomable that two guys could play on the same team for 5 seasons and not really know each other. Considering how much time these guys spend in the locker room together there is no way they could remain complete strangers.

Obviously, this is all speculation.

by Rob Parker on Aug 17, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I’d bet less than Bradley or Knuble…

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by Rob Parker on Aug 17, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hockey News’ projected stat line for Ovechkin in 2011-12: 77, 50-48-98

Is it October yet?

by Lindas1st on Aug 18, 2011 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

BTW, they got Semin’s at: 70, 34-36-70

Backstrom: 80, 28-63-91
Green: 78, 23-50-73 (1st among NHL d-men)

Is it October yet?

by Lindas1st on Aug 18, 2011 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is such a scathing indictment of last year’s Caps and really confirms everything many of us suspected. The thing is, what’s to change Semin’s motivation and ice time this year? Same coach, same player.

by Kolzilla on Aug 17, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right. And everyone’s in a lather over the Semin comment, but they’re missing the forest for the trees on accountability, preparedness, etc.

One year from now, Alex Semin likely won’t be here. Are we as sure those other, bigger problems won’t be?

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by J.P. on Aug 17, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

So you want to stop discussing Semin and instead discuss how guys weren’t prepared for practice, didn’t practice because of minor injuries, and weren’t focused enough. Ok, so what can they do about these things? It seems that GMGM/Boudreau have made the rounds and told guys to be more serious and have a different attitude. Not sure what to say about not practicing because of minor injuries. As far as not being prepared for practice, what is that exactly? Not playing attention in meetings and video sessions so they don’t know how to implement the things Boudreau wants to implement? This team confuses me. On one hand, they successfully managed to change the system to a more defensive style. But apparently they still had many issues implementing what they were taught as on ice results suggested. This is assuming Boudreau taught them the proper way to play against Tampa in the playoffs and how to execute the PP.

by vtcapsfan99 on Aug 17, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think those are the bigger issues, don’t you? And no, there aren’t easy or obvious answers, but I think those questions are more important than “Does Alex Semin give a shit?”

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by J.P. on Aug 17, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, they have a longer term impact. So what would you say about those issues, since you feel they are more important to discuss.

by vtcapsfan99 on Aug 17, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nothing I haven’t said before, other than that it’s disappointing that they persist and it’s significant that a player mentioned them (as opposed to fans and/or media speculating).

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by J.P. on Aug 17, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s taking a long time, or does it just seem that way?, for this talented team to learn, and absorb the lessons, that the road to the Cup isn’t a cake walk. Although in some ways that isn’t surprsing. Despite working hard, if you haven’t had adversity because your talent has been great enough to carry you through, then figuring out how to overcome something can be the biggest challenge. A team situation can compound efforts because success doesn’t depend on one person.

This team clears one hurdle, thinks their problems are behind them only to be brought back to earth after falling at the next hurdle.

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by oldemystix on Aug 17, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Starting at 9:40 mark. Also mentions players missing practices because of “questionable injuries.”

by Sjomin on Aug 17, 2011 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

I get that its a big deal that a player finally said this stuff out in the open, but nothing he actually said is exactly breaking news around these parts. All of the following topics he brought up have been discussed by Caps fans for several years.

1. Semin is disinterested play at times.
2. Ovi needing to care of himself better
3. BB needing to hold guys accountable
4. The team needing to show more desire (not sure if this is the appropriate word) in postseason.

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by Carl Putnam on Aug 17, 2011 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah but this is the first time we’ve heard it so directly expressed by a teammate (or former teammate) who was a starter on the team several years. Prior to this, all we had to go on was circumstantial evidence. This is a pretty brutal indictment IMO.

And frankly, it concerns me heading into this season too. I’m not sure that Ward and Brouwer will make enough of an impact on the locker room to change things. That may have to come from the coach.

We just have to hope that GMGM’s conversations with his stars this offseason got through,

by Kolzilla on Aug 17, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Honestly, the only difference between this and Arnott’s diatribe upon his arrival last year is that Brads is naming names. Anyone with a scintilla of a clue knew exactly who Arnott was talking about, as it was no coincidence that he suddenly attempted to befriend Semin.

Armareddon.

by D'ohboy on Aug 17, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think there’s another important difference here in that a tenured guy is saying it as opposed to a fresh face who might just be used to doing things a different way.

Anything new? Surprising? No, not at all. But the speaker here, IMO, has more credibility (which isn’t to say that Arnott lacked credibility).

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by J.P. on Aug 17, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think I gave Arnott more credibility because he’s been on teams that “got it,” and clearly didn’t think the Caps “got it.”

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by D'ohboy on Aug 17, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s fair, of course, though I don’t think there’s necessarily only one way to “get it.” But yeah, Arnott certainly has tons of cred because of the teams he’s been on. Maybe it’s not “more” cred that Brads had so much as different cred.

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by J.P. on Aug 17, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah. I shouldn’t have said more; different is more appropriate.

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by D'ohboy on Aug 17, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s so good to hear from Brads.

Semin #needsmorebradley

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by oldemystix on Aug 17, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

My first reaction to Brads’ comments was to think of Laich saying, in essence, that he told management that one condition on him agreeing to sign his contract this offseason is that things are going to have to change. Laich was not specific about what needs to change. This gives a little more insight into what he probably had in mind.

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by Gould Old Days on Aug 17, 2011 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

THN Article...

Have to say I love the photo. Alex in his road whites celebrating and a crowd of fans all in Penguins regalia watching.

Heh.

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by MikeL-Pivonka on Aug 17, 2011 8:57 AM EDT reply actions  

Blog Voting... Your Minions are At The Ready!

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by MikeL-Pivonka on Aug 17, 2011 8:58 AM EDT reply actions  

The eyes, err, ayes have it!

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by J.P. on Aug 17, 2011 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Last season, Carter’s wife met Jeff Schultz’s fiancée, and the couples have since grown to be close friends.

Jeff Schultz and Andre Carter. Now that’s two guys I never envisioned as being close friends.

by b.orr4 on Aug 17, 2011 9:39 AM EDT reply actions  

___

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by J.P. on Aug 17, 2011 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Too funny. Carter looks like a man’s man and Sarge looks like a ten-year old playing dress-up.

by b.orr4 on Aug 17, 2011 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Wasn’t that article the first sighting of his thumb in a cast too?

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by bagace on Aug 17, 2011 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

If you saw them shooting that picture in person, you might disagree… no way a ten-year old is 6’7".

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by Wheeler on Aug 17, 2011 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, there’s no way a 6’7 defender doesn’t hit but ol’ Schultzie doesn’t.

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by sydtron on Aug 17, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hail! is a good magazine. Any of you Redskins fans should sign up, its free.

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by Sombrero Guy on Aug 17, 2011 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

there’s no such thing as a Redskin fan, just addicts who haven’t sought out treatment for their terrible affliction.

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by RedBirdie on Aug 17, 2011 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Did we know that Sarge was engaged? I’m not surprised ‘cos they’ve been a couple for quite a while now, but I don’t remember hearing reading that he proposed. Mazel Tov!

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by EmilyB on Aug 17, 2011 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

It’s from a NE blog, are we even sure they’re engaged? I mean, sometimes people use terms just because, especially when it’s a long-term relationship.

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by gfcaps fan on Aug 17, 2011 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

So I posted the All Things Avs/THN article as a FanShot and now it’s gone. Is that normal since it’s part of the Caps clips? Or did I do something wrong?

by superjuan on Aug 17, 2011 10:03 AM EDT reply actions  

You didn’t do anything wrong at all. As we note in our Community Guidelines:

We reserve the right to delete any FanPost or FanShot for any reason, and are likely to do so in the following instances: …

A FanPost or FanShot that is the subject or part of the subject of a post that one of the site’s writers is soon to publish or has published may be deleted so as not to have redundant content on the site (it is extremely rare that a FanPost will be deleted for this reason, but a FanShot that contains a link that is going to be part of the upcoming Caps Clips post, for example, may fall prey to such a deletion).

But I just gave it a second thought and figure that it’s fine to be out there as a FanShot as well, so I unhid it.

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by J.P. on Aug 17, 2011 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well… my fault, since I clearly never read the community guidelines. I thought I did when I signed up,but I guess not. Also, no need to unhide it, I just wanted to make sure I hadn’t broken a rule.

by superjuan on Aug 17, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

So did the The Hockey News

pick the Capitals to win the Stanley cup the previous two seasons? Yikes.

by _Skullduggery_ on Aug 17, 2011 10:19 AM EDT reply actions  

I thought they picked Vancouver last year and Philly the year before…anyone remember?

Runners-up!!1

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by Becca H on Aug 17, 2011 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

That’s what i heard too. I think someone said that yesterday in the Clips.

My mind is all twtisted like a peanut.

by timmyv38 on Aug 17, 2011 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

“Someone” being JP.

My mind is all twtisted like a peanut.

by timmyv38 on Aug 17, 2011 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

…ha. Should probably check the Clips comments more frequently considering I work here and all. :D

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by Becca H on Aug 17, 2011 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

It was late yesterday. At the VERY bottom of Clips.

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by timmyv38 on Aug 17, 2011 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Whoops, I’m glad I asked, because it seemed like their article implied they had been fooled before — but I guess that could be referring to their prediction on where they end up in the Eastern Conference.

by _Skullduggery_ on Aug 17, 2011 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t know about last year, but they definitely picked Philly the year before.

by Capcrazy77 on Aug 17, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

This makes sense:

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Flyers rookies to host Caps rookies at Wells Fargo Center on Sept. 15. Face off is 5 p.m., team says.
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by bagace on Aug 17, 2011 10:21 AM EDT reply actions  

When the Caps host (in even years) it’s also on a weekday.

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by RedBirdie on Aug 17, 2011 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

They might have to have tickets to FlyersCon to be part of it, you never know.

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by Bald Pollack on Aug 17, 2011 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Steve Kolbe

Not directly related to today’s clips…but it does seem like there’s a lack of love for Steve Kolbe just in general. John Walton seems great – don’t get me wrong – but I always liked Kolbe. He was fun to listen to. But I haven’t seen any nostalgic pieces about him, and it just seems like everyone has moved on just so quickly from him. It’s a shame and I’ve found it a little odd, and I’m sort of wondering why he was just sort of cast off the way he was.

by jcoral128 on Aug 17, 2011 11:20 AM EDT reply actions  

I didn’t really have a problem with Kolbe. He wasn’t the easiest radio guy to listen to but he was fun. But I think a lot of people didn’t like his broadcasting, thus why he was kinda forced out of his job and why there aren’t a lot of peices about him.

by hockeyman33 on Aug 17, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

We don’t know why he “was kinda forced out of his job.”

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by cuqui on Aug 17, 2011 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn’t mind Kolbe at all, but from what I’ve heard of Walton, it does seem like this is an upgrade. Until we get an FM simulcast, though, they both sound like this to me in NoVA:

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by winterion on Aug 17, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Two birthdays in one month! Way to go, Pete.

/Detail oriented and keeding.

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by Acer Jonesy's Laughker on Aug 17, 2011 11:23 AM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, today’s his real one. Google him and you’ll see it’s Aug. 1 in a number of places, Aug. 17 in others.

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by J.P. on Aug 17, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Only a hockey player would be man enough to be born and think it was fun enough to do it again…in the same month. He’s his own irish twin.

Bruce Boudreau when asked about Brooks Laich's return to the lineup, he said: "He just adds another dimension to our team. If it was puzzle, he just fits that thing. He completes us."

Brooks Laich completing everything from teams to tires and everything in between.

by breaklance on Aug 17, 2011 12:44 PM EDT reply actions  

grr reply fail. @JP Pete Peeter’s b-day.

Bruce Boudreau when asked about Brooks Laich's return to the lineup, he said: "He just adds another dimension to our team. If it was puzzle, he just fits that thing. He completes us."

Brooks Laich completing everything from teams to tires and everything in between.

by breaklance on Aug 17, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re THN: I noted that they picked Avs to finish ninth. If this proves out, what place would their #1 be? (Thinking about Varlamov trade).

"You just have a sense," Holland says. "The type of player you want, the type of situation you reference for your next game, you see it."

by Acer Jonesy's Laughker on Aug 17, 2011 12:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Well, you figure spots 16-30 go to the playoff-bound teams, so…14 or 15? Someone correct me if that doesn’t sound right.

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by Becca H on Aug 17, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

sounds about right depending on the eastern bubble teams. Call my bad-spirited, but i’m just hoping the Avs health woes continue and they slide ride down to the basement of the standings.

by aaw6848 on Aug 17, 2011 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right on. Here’s to a lottery pick (I hope)!

"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro"

by Steve-R on Aug 17, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m cool with the basement part, but I’m not gonna wish injuries on anyone. Yes, even Cooke. Well, perhaps a bruised ego or a torn contract…

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by winterion on Aug 17, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Health woes as in 15 strains of flu work their way through the Av’s, not hoping for Varly’s glass groin to blow up.

"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro"

by Steve-R on Aug 17, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tim Leone’s already joking about wondering if Varly will be with Lake Erie for a rehab assignment when they play the Bears.

Don’t try to figure Sasha out. Just ride the wave.

by gfcaps fan on Aug 17, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

now that he’s not on the caps, he’ll never have another injury problem for the rest of his career and go on to set records.

/jinxed

by aaw6848 on Aug 17, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just looked at the image at the top of the page again. Seeing the old guys in the current unis is fuckin’ weird. I hope at the alumni game they wear throwbacks, but I highly doubt they will.

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by J.P. on Aug 17, 2011 1:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Would be cool if they could each dig out an old game-worn. As it is, Bondra looks like somebody’s uncle in that sweater.

"You just have a sense," Holland says. "The type of player you want, the type of situation you reference for your next game, you see it."

by Acer Jonesy's Laughker on Aug 17, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

But it totally legitimatizes you putting “Langway 5” or “Bondra 12” on a current sweater!
/snark

But I guess we do have white throwbacks now, maybe Ted wants to wait until the DC Winter Classic when we’ll get the red ones.

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by apk3000 on Aug 17, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Before reading the caption, I was trying to figure out why I didn’t recognize any of those guys from Development Camp.

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by oldemystix on Aug 17, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

talking about uniforms, is it time for a new caps uniform?

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by BetterOffWith28 on Aug 17, 2011 1:56 PM EDT reply actions  

I like our jerseys, a lot actually. I do wish they would make an alternate instead of the W.C. jersey, because it looks too similar to the regular ones, I think at least.

by aaw6848 on Aug 17, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

no way. I love the current set. why mess with something that doesn’t need to be messed with?

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by RedBirdie on Aug 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cripes… they changed only 4 years ago…. this isn’t the NBA!

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by MikeL-Pivonka on Aug 17, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

No. The current ones are fine, the Caps shouldn’t be constantly changing jerseys. Unless you want to put the current logo on the retro style…

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by apk3000 on Aug 17, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Detroit looks like they’ve never changed theirs. That’s probably what they’re trying to go for.

by oates_meal on Aug 17, 2011 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jason Reid sure loves to make a total ass of himself. It’s like he just can’t help it. “I like baseball better than hockey, therefore I refuse to acknowledge that Ovechkin can be a bigger star than Strasburg.”

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by RedBirdie on Aug 17, 2011 2:36 PM EDT reply actions  

The Capitals haven’t gotten deep in the playoffs. Therefore, a starting pitcher who has played in 12 games and whose team has NEVER BEEN IN THE PLAYOFFS will be a bigger star. Q.E.D. bitches.

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by Alz Well That Ends Well on Aug 17, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

in an column full of idiotic shit, that was the smelliest pile of shit in the whole thing.

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by RedBirdie on Aug 17, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

The shittingest shit that ever was shat?

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by oldemystix on Aug 17, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

no, that would be Crosby’s mustached face

by j762 on Aug 17, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yea, I think something like that will always be a matter of opinion. Because even if Ovechkin drags the entire capitals roster to a stanley cup this year, the argument can still be made that more people like baseball and like/relate more to Strasburg so he is the bigger “Star”. It’s a dumb argument, and not only because Ovi is on a different level than Strasburg – but because the nuts and bolts of it actually have very little to do with who the better “star” is.

by aaw6848 on Aug 17, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haven’t read it yet, but is this the piece that’s being advertised with “After siding with Strasburg over Ovechkin as DC’s top athlete, Jason Reid is ready to give Ovie his due”?

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by J.P. on Aug 17, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

yep. And the answer is “NO”

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by RedBirdie on Aug 17, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

The whole argument became moot the second the clock ticked down on the Redskins’ first preseason game/victory any way.

Capitals who?

Nationals who?

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by EmilyB on Aug 17, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Nats have a beast on the team that could very well win the NL batting title this year, though I doubt many people on the street know his name. DC’s got a long way to go to being a baseball town again.

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by bagace on Aug 17, 2011 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

if anything, I think that the most compelling argument for OV over SS is that pitchers very rarely show up on the ESPN Top 10.

by j762 on Aug 17, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Chicks (and ESPN) dig the long ball…

"I remembered when he said that and I kind of looked at him during the warm up and told myself that I got to shut these guys out tonight." - Michal Neuvirth, 02.06.11.

by bagace on Aug 17, 2011 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

and not as much as they used to. Jim Thome got shockingly little coverage for 600 :(

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by RedBirdie on Aug 17, 2011 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

when do pitchers show up with long balls?

by j762 on Aug 17, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

PD says Bradley “slams” BB. Funny, Brads said this:

I love Bruce and Bruce is a great coach, and he was in a very tough position there because in Washington our top guys are definitely the stars and the guys that people want to see on the ice, so I totally understand.

yeah, quite the slam.

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by RedBirdie on Aug 17, 2011 3:03 PM EDT reply actions  

" think, you know, our locker room was maybe a little bit too nonchalant, and guys weren’t disciplined the way they should have been. Those two things are big things, and I’d say that’s about it,"

BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRNNNNN

by j762 on Aug 17, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

TeB
Hendricks declined to respond to Bradley’s comments, but did say, “When it comes down to brass tacks, and being 100-percent committed and being 100-percent focused, I think we can improve on that a little bit.”

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by Bald Pollack on Aug 17, 2011 3:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Wysh quotes BB as saying his phone essentially blew up with text messages. Would be interesting to know from whom. Media looking for comment? Can’t imagine it was players, but who knows?

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by gfcaps fan on Aug 17, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

probably media.

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by RedBirdie on Aug 17, 2011 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sasha with a lunch invitation.

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by Alz Well That Ends Well on Aug 17, 2011 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Awards don't validate me!

I can easily see Alex Semin winning the Conn Smythe and throwing it on the ground.

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by Alz Well That Ends Well on Aug 17, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Favorite part about Hendrick’s quote? His use of the word “we”.

"I remembered when he said that and I kind of looked at him during the warm up and told myself that I got to shut these guys out tonight." - Michal Neuvirth, 02.06.11.

by bagace on Aug 17, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Help me out – can someone dig up the article in which a former player anonymously said something to the effect of the team needs to do some growing up?

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by J.P. on Aug 17, 2011 3:42 PM EDT reply actions  

There were some comments about it last month, but it doesn’t look like there’s a link there.

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by Alz Well That Ends Well on Aug 17, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Damned annoying that I know who the player is but can’t remember the author of the effin’ article…

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by J.P. on Aug 17, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

But that would imply your googling would be a bit more productive than us in-the-darkers.

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by Alz Well That Ends Well on Aug 17, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nope, because the player’s not named in the article.

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by J.P. on Aug 17, 2011 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ah, so you planned to tease us by linking to the article, only for us to click and still be disappointed?

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by Alz Well That Ends Well on Aug 17, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey, I said “anonymously” in my request above.

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by J.P. on Aug 17, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Having us all go searching? A blatant attempt for page-views.

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by bagace on Aug 17, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wasn’t that by Corey?

Armareddon.

by D'ohboy on Aug 17, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, article, sorry. No help, there.

by DrinkingPartner on Aug 17, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

This article had some good quotes after the Montreal playoff series:

Scott Walker: “We could play a little harder and compete a little bit better. That’s the most disappointing thing. I don’t think they’ve seen our ‘A’ game.”

Joe Corvo: “We just didn’t play, I guess, playoff hockey. Maybe we overlooked some of the small details as team.”

Matt Bradley: “To not be ready for a playoff game shouldn’t happen. We didn’t work hard enough.”

Then there was Brads after the Tampa series:

"I thought we played well, but I think throughout the whole series they were the hungrier team," veteran Matt Bradley said. "

by Kolzilla on Aug 17, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dear Joe Corvo,

and what was your excuse? Because you missed a huge detail as an individual: looking like you gave a flying fuck.

Still bitter about that trade.

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by RedBirdie on Aug 17, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nevermind – found it:

as one former player said upon exiting the team, there are a lot of players who have a lot of growing up to do in that room. Ovechkin needs to grow into a leadership role if the Caps are going to shake the doubters. It sounds like he understands that; he tells ESPN.com he doesn’t care about his own game, only the success of the Capitals.

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by J.P. on Aug 17, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

From the same article:

Still, Semin seems to lack what several Caps observers have called “the compete gene.” People can point the finger at Ovechkin for the Caps’ playoff missteps all they want, but Semin’s inability to come through in the clutch has been a major drag.

After potting 40 regular-season goals last season, he failed to score at all in the playoffs despite his 44 shots on goal.

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by Alz Well That Ends Well on Aug 17, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

And followed it up being the 2nd highest goal scorer on the team in the playoffs this year. I’d agree that he has his feast or famine periods, but I don’t think regular season v. playoffs has anything to do with it regarding Semin. ALL the time…he’s either hot, or absolutely not. The 44 shots with 0 goals in a huge 1st round upset just ticked all the right boxes for the media to hound on it when in effect it was nothing new.

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by Davethecapsfan on Aug 17, 2011 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not on the “Semin doesn’t produce” bandwagon, but I think the “lacks the compete gene” label is somewhat validated. I think he is far more talented than his production demonstrates, hence the flashes of brilliance with long periods of disappointment. Everyone goes through slumps, but the ones who have the internal motivation are more consistent over all.

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by Alz Well That Ends Well on Aug 17, 2011 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree 100% with you there, I just think the little blip in the quote stating the Montreal series wasn’t any standout case of his streaky nature…just more of the same. The article trying to point that out as proof isn’t representing the whole issue in my mind. He’s always streaky, regular season or playoffs…and in the playoffs it seems to show itself by having good series v. bad ones.

Everything ends badly...otherwise it wouldn't end.

by Davethecapsfan on Aug 17, 2011 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Semin: “Hey guys, I shot 44 times! Doesn’t mean I’m not trying!”

That’s what it seemed like to me. Maybe he was content just putting up shots, to make it feel like he was at least giving an effort. The “compete gene” would be like cursing every shot that doesn’t go in.

by oates_meal on Aug 17, 2011 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cue the refrain about the difference between people who love to win and people who hate to lose. I know who I’m taking every time.

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by Alz Well That Ends Well on Aug 17, 2011 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Totally missing the point of what I was saying…I was pointing out that singling out the Montreal series as some sort of epiphany of him lacking the compete gene 100% of the time is silly as we have had examples before and since it. He tends to either be on for a series or off for a series, just like his play comes in spurts of brilliance an apathy during the regular season. The Montreal series was just a smaller picture of the larger example.

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by Davethecapsfan on Aug 17, 2011 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

iirc, it was suggested that the comments were made by someone who left prior to the 2010 playoff collapse, yes?

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by RedBirdie on Aug 17, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Per the Flyers official Twitter:

Flyers announced that NHL veteran center Michael Nylander will attend this year’s #FlyersTrainingCamp on a Pro Try-Out.

…that’s a big wow. Or HAHAHAHA, not sure which.

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by Becca H on Aug 17, 2011 3:44 PM EDT reply actions  

He did have good chemistry with 68 in NYR… years ago.

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by J.P. on Aug 17, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, man. I forgot Jagr was there.

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by Becca H on Aug 17, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

No you didn’t. You chose to ignore it.

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by gfcaps fan on Aug 17, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ha, I wish I could find a way to shut him out of my mind on purpose :P but no, really, I had a very “oh, that’s RIGHT..he’s in philly now!” moment. Not the first time this summer, either…so surreal.

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by Becca H on Aug 17, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I saw JP tweet about Nyls and somehow I immediately made the Jagr connection. But as he also points out above, that was five years ago. Good luck, Philly (NOT!).

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by gfcaps fan on Aug 17, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s like putting the pizza line together once again… 9 years from now. Great plan!!

by Sjomin on Aug 17, 2011 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

duhhh..whaaaaaaaaaaaa?

by j762 on Aug 17, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

HAHAHAHA, I think. Is he healthy enough to play after his injury last season?

My mind is all twtisted like a peanut.

by timmyv38 on Aug 17, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

good for him. Happy to see that an NHL team is giving him a shot after it didn’t work out here and the broken neck.

I just wish it wasn’t the Flyers, fer cryin’ out loud!

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by RedBirdie on Aug 17, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Feels like the Flyers are just going to go in circles with Nylander.

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by Bonzai!!! on Aug 17, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

More on it from ESPN

http://espn.go.com/nhl/story/_/id/6871460/philadelphia-flyers-invite-michael-nylander-camp-tryout

I have only one thing to say about this….

hahahahahahahahahaHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

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by MikeL-Pivonka on Aug 17, 2011 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have never been a big fan of Brads, although I do appreciate his tenure and willingness to bleed (albeit well compensated for it). Likewise, he has a right to way whatever he wants. However, I find his comments a bit unseemly and, most relevantly, unnecessary. If he was trying to help the team, it doesn’t make sense because he is a competitor now. If he was trying to criticize the team, there are ways to do it non-publicly. Regardless, it was time for him to go, and his comments underscore that point.

by Wilderthing on Aug 17, 2011 3:49 PM EDT reply actions  

there’s a difference between mild-mannered criticism and airing dirty laundry. Bradley’s remarks are much more the former than the latter

by j762 on Aug 17, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mild-mannered? I guess you haven’t seen the twitter explosion regarding his comments, the Puck Daddy reports, the Post articles, the ESPN coverage, etc., etc. He may have made his comments in a quiet voice, but when he called one of the stars of his former team a lazy dog, he knew the shit-storm that would follow. There’s nothing mild-mannered about what he said.

by b.orr4 on Aug 17, 2011 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

There’s a difference between the reaction and the comments. Give me a break.

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by Bald Pollack on Aug 17, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Sorry to offend your sensibilities, but there isn’t a difference. At least not in this instance. Brads knows that ripping ex-teammates is going to make headlines and that what he was saying was going to cause a huge reaction in DC and that’s why he said it. Obviously, he’s got a grudge against Semin and this was his way of paying it back. I bet he’s got a grin on his face down in South Florida.

by b.orr4 on Aug 17, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually there is a difference. And in more cases than you think of. If you honestly think that he’s being this calculating, then I don’t know what to tell you.

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by Bald Pollack on Aug 17, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

For the better part of three decades, my job has been to get people in the news. What to say, how to say it, when to say it. And yeah, this was calculated. Brads has probably been wanting to say this for a while. That’s why he couldn’t shut up when the guy asked him the question. You disagree. That’s cool. But if the goal was to further destroy’s Semin’s rep, I couldn’t have coached Brads to do it any better than he did.

by b.orr4 on Aug 17, 2011 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

How did he “further destroy” a rep that’s been virtually earned and justifiable?

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by Bald Pollack on Aug 17, 2011 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I do think that a longtime teammate saying point-blank that he “just doesn’t care” further destroys Semin’s reputation because it’s a credible voice saying it without pussyfooting around. Whereas before you had innuendo and wink-wink-nudge-nudge allusions, here you have a guy saying it point blank, essentially etching it in stone.

That said, I don’t think Brads was off base in his comments, though I do think that he picked an easy target to go after – I bet my last dollar that he’d have some pretty unfavorable things to say about other guys on the team about whom he wouldn’t verbalize such things publicly.

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by J.P. on Aug 17, 2011 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Damn, J.P.. I hope that bet comes through for you.

by Knee high to a duck on Aug 17, 2011 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I mean, you can see it in his more veiled comments in the same interview (and the comment on AO taking care of himself). Hard not to think he’s biting his tongue somewhat everywhere other than in the Semin portion of the interview.

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by J.P. on Aug 17, 2011 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, I was just busting your grammatical balls.

But yes, you’re spot on.

by Knee high to a duck on Aug 17, 2011 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

JP— I’m wondering who you think specifically? He praised OV’s compete level, but with the personal care comment… but who else? Backstrom and Green? Can’t really think of any other candidates…

by Tommy Williams on Aug 17, 2011 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yea, the “further destroy” is beyond the point as well. It seems the intent is what you’re arguing – and without asking Brads, there’s really no way of knowing.

All we do know is that a long time teammate of Semin came out and stated an opinion (albeit one that has been assumed for quite some time). Any player in the league who does something like that is going to be scrutinized in the media heavily. IN particular when it’s an interview with Canada’s media.

by aaw6848 on Aug 17, 2011 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

And that’s cool, but I’d doubt he woke up and thought “How can I make myself the talk of the League today?”

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by Bald Pollack on Aug 17, 2011 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right. But he did HAVE to know, even if it was just before the words came out of his mouth, the weight of what he was going to say and how far it would reach.

by aaw6848 on Aug 17, 2011 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

And you know who deserves to be angry about Bradley executing such a perfect bit of PR spin-shifting? His current employer. Because there’s a real (though low) chance that this quote will cause the Capitals to improve, either by creating real motivation for Semin or by giving the team the freedom to finally deal with his unacceptable behavior. And no matter what happens, anything that is good for the Caps is bad for the Cats.

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by Gould Old Days on Aug 17, 2011 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Grudge!!!1

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by Bald Pollack on Aug 17, 2011 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or maybe it was a calculated way to drum up interest in Caps-Panthers games in order to sell more tickets at three more home games..
   /company man.

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by bagace on Aug 17, 2011 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I see what you did there.

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by Carl Putnam on Aug 17, 2011 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

There is still no clarity of intent yet, as far as I am concerned. To repeat, he had a right to say it and he is probably correct.. The previous comments worry me even more. That is, IF his intention was to rip Semin….I ask, again, WHY? Why now? Why in public? If he cares about the CAPS, then he should have picked up the phone and called Ovi and told him to kick Semin’s lazy-ass puck up and down the rink this year. If it was a ‘grudge,’ well then that just points out the fact that, well, he was a dispensable 4th liner as depressing a fact that might be to him. In any case, he doesn’t have to talk to the papers about any of this.

by Wilderthing on Aug 17, 2011 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think this is causing infinitely more concern to people who choose to wear a Caps jersey than it is to anyone who gets paid to wear a Caps jersey.

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by Alz Well That Ends Well on Aug 17, 2011 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I see no reason to think Bradley didn’t take his sentiment about “lazy-ass”ness directly to Semin in the past

Perhaps the opposite. Every day. 5 times a day.
For all we know.

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by Icebat on Aug 17, 2011 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Brads: You lazy ass.
Semin: I Don’t speak english.

by oates_meal on Aug 17, 2011 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m beginning to think some people are basing their reactions off of the transcript excerpts and people’s comments on the them because some have read more into his interview than what is actually there. There isn’t much to get excited over when listening to the interview in its entirety. He isn’t venting or getting revenge or showing a grudge. He is answering a variety of questions thoughtfully. He names Semin as a guy with amazing talent whose efforts don’t match it. Wow! Big news! Stop the presses! He’s said something…that others have said before. Oh, my. For shame.

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by oldemystix on Aug 17, 2011 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

The larger concern is why didn’t he step up and do it before, maybe? While he was still on the team?

by aaw6848 on Aug 17, 2011 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Precisely. Well said.

by Wilderthing on Aug 17, 2011 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I see YOU actually said it better 5 posts up!

by aaw6848 on Aug 17, 2011 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who’s to say he didn’t?

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by Bald Pollack on Aug 17, 2011 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right. If he did everything he could do behind closed doors and decided that shit-talking his teammates publicly would do more harm than good, bully on him.

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by J.P. on Aug 17, 2011 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

You’ve made another assumption. As BP says below, “Who’s to say he didn’t?”

Brads has been mentioned as one of the guys who contributed positive intangibles to the locker room. Trying to draw Semin out could have been something he tried.

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by oldemystix on Aug 17, 2011 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

In tomorrow’s Clips tonight, Tarik writes about the Bradley interview and reaction, all pretty much what’s been said here, but he finishes with a bit of a zinger.

The question is whether any current Capitals will demand such accountability in the locker room where it matters, instead of on the radio after they’ve left town.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/capitals/on-hockey-matt-bradley-is-spot-on-with-critical-comments-about-capitals-alexander-semin/2011/08/17/gIQA6sw5LJ_story.html

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by gfcaps fan on Aug 17, 2011 8:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Let’s hope the coach, players and organization has learned from the past and start holding players accountable.

by d3n1x on Aug 17, 2011 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

shocking statements

I was very confident for this season. But man, some of these problems won’t disappear as fast as they should.
If McPhee sees what’s happening and has let his locker room reach this point, he should be held accountable too. That’s bad GM’ing if you can’t keep your locker room focused to reach the main objective.

by brazilianbeast on Aug 18, 2011 1:48 AM EDT reply actions  

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