Caps Looking to Dump Salary?
I wrote an article today talking about the Capitals need to re-sign Alzner and get under the cap ceiling. It's from a Flames perspective given Calgary's various needs. What would it take to acquire Semin or Alzner from WAS you think?
11 months ago
Kent Wilson
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I really doubt Alzner would be traded. Semin, maybe. Fehr and Chimera have been the ones chosen by a lot of people here to be a part of a salary dump trade. A Semin trade would have to have an NHL player on a cheap contract, and good picks or prospects. Semin is an impact player and i’ve read a few places that a lot of teams are interested, so GMGM certainly won’t be selling low on him.
That sounds about right, although Chimera+Fehr may not be enough in terms of cap space (4.05M total) depending on what Alzner costs to re-sign.
I fully expect Semin to not come cheap if he is indeed dealt.
Poti is probably gonna be on LTIR too, giving the Caps $2.875M more space against the cap. I’m thinking the Alzner gets somewhere around $3.5M. I’m guessing GMGM started the talk at around $2.75M, which is what Schultz makes, but the fact that its taken this long makes me think Alzner wants a lot more than that. The Caps could run with something like this, but there’s no room for an injury call-up here, until that space banks up.
CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR
FORWARDS
Alexander Ovechkin ($9.538m) / Nicklas Backstrom ($6.700m) / Mike Knuble ($2.000m)
Alexander Semin ($6.700m) / Marcus Johansson ($0.900m) / Troy Brouwer ($2.350m)
Joel Ward ($3.000m) / Brooks Laich ($4.500m) / Jason Chimera ($1.875m)
Jay Beagle ($0.512m) / Jeff Halpern ($0.825m) / Matt Hendricks ($0.825m)
DEFENSEMEN
John Carlson ($0.845m) / Karl Alzner ($3.500m)
Roman Hamrlik ($3.500m) / Mike Green ($5.250m)
Jeff Schultz ($2.750m) / Dennis Wideman ($3.937m)
/ John Erskine ($1.500m)
GOALTENDERS
Tomas Vokoun ($1.500m) / Michal Neuvirth ($1.150m)
BUYOUTS: Tyler Sloan ($0.233m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $63,892,628; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (21-man roster): $407,372
I’m really not liking that Sloan buy-out now.
BTW our cap space is zero as long as Poti is on IR. Might as well include Fehr too, so our effective cap is 64.3M plus Poti’s 2.875M plus Fehr’s 2.2M for a total of 69.375M. But there’s no banking at this juncture. Based on those numbers we’re at 68,967,628. Without anyone else going on LTIR, we’re tapped, can’t even bring up a guy making minimum. And this is assuming King is in Hershey when the season starts. McPhee has to be cooking up something.
It isn’t even anger-inducing. It does not seem to be worth that kind of emotional investment. It might not even be disappointing any more. It is expected.
-Peerless 5.6.2011
Forgot about the Poti, although LTIR space is a tricky thing to deal with. I think the team has to be compliant when the season starts and then can place him on LTIR as well.
You can place guys who are legit injured on LTIR to be cap compliant. Rathje spent the entire season on it a couple years ago for the Flyers.
How about that guy? 17.5M for 3 goals and 22 assists. Makes Poti’s deal seem almost palatable. Almost…
It isn’t even anger-inducing. It does not seem to be worth that kind of emotional investment. It might not even be disappointing any more. It is expected.
-Peerless 5.6.2011
Here’s the thing – Semin is carrying the luggage on the second line. Absent him, is there anyone else on the roster you’d stick down there to create a legitimate threat on that line? Not really, right?
With Vokoun on the team for a song, this would be the year to load up – I can’t picture a loaded up year that involved trading Alex Semin and getting anything like fair value back for him and less money.
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by Knee high to a duck on Jul 7, 2011 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions
For more on Alzner, check out the excellent WoWY here at Red Line Station. I tried to put a link to that article in the comments over at Flames Nation, but the system ate my html.
"Essentially, all models are wrong, but some are useful" George E.P. Box
by Knee high to a duck on Jul 7, 2011 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
How about Phaneuf?
Oh wait, you guys already got rid of him for nothing. Bad Sutter.
It isn’t even anger-inducing. It does not seem to be worth that kind of emotional investment. It might not even be disappointing any more. It is expected.
-Peerless 5.6.2011
That’s not quite accurate. We got Stajan and Hagman, both of whom I would gladly drop for a bag of pucks. So the return was actually negative rather than nothing.
by Kent Wilson on Jul 7, 2011 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Alzner, never going to happen. Semin is almost as unlikely. In order to get value back for him, there would have to be at leats one roster player – and that would negate the whole salary dump idea. Much more likely, as hockeyman said, is Fehr/Chimera. They are expendable for the Caps but can fill roles on other teams.
My mind is all twtisted like a peanut.
Guess my question on that front is would Fehr and Chimera have to be replaced in the line-up? If so, how much would it cost to do so?
If their spots are taken by a couple of replacement level, minimum wage guys (let’s say 550k each), the cap savings drop from $4.05M to $2.95M. Would that enough?
They would have to be, but we already have a replacement for the slot one of them had last season – Joel Ward. The type of lineup we’re likely looking at is Ovechkin-Backstrom-Knuble, Semin-Johansson-Brouwer, Ward-Laich-?, Hendricks-Halpern-Beagle. The ? would be a minimum wage type, or maybe Sjogren, who is on a $900K ELC. When I’ve done a roster on Capgeek with this, Alzner could be fitted in with a $3.5M salary.
My mind is all twtisted like a peanut.
No offense, man, but I can’t find any way to make a sensible deal with Calgary work because I don’t see anything on that roster that the Caps would want. First of all, Alzner ain’t going anywhere. Caps would match anything up to 5 Million and probably more for him. So we’re talking about moving Caps forwards, which means the Caps need a roster forward in return.
Iginla is of course amazing, and I think he’d be a great fit on the Caps, but even if he were willing to waive his NMC, he costs 7 Million. That’s going backwards from a guy who costs 6.7 Million (Semin).
Curtis Glencross is the best asset Calgary can offer. He kills penalties, has great defensive stats, and put up 24 goals last year. At $2.55 Million, I’d take him in a heartbeat. But I don’t imagine he’s and his below-market 4-year contract are available for the likes of Alex Semin in a walk year. If they are, I’d do Semin for Glencross. Hell, I’d give up some other assets along with Semin. Glencross is a stud. But even if Calgary were to agree to anything, I’d be surprised if Glencross waived his NMC. He seems pretty established in the community, and took a hometown discount to stay.
{Pours a little out for Daymond Langkow}
Y’all didn’t just extend Tanguay to trade him.
Stajan and Hagman — you said it better than I could above. Pass.
Rene Bourque’s defensive numbers are pretty terrible, and his offensive upside is much less than Semin’s. Their actual points contributions last year weren’t all that different, but Bourque was above his average and Semin was below his. And Semin’s younger. I don’t see the Caps taking on Bourque’s long term contract, not with a lot of commitments for next year in Green, Carlson, etc.
Olli Jokinen is not a Caps-type player. Lousy defense, moderate contribution on offense, mediocre on faceoffs — I just don’t see him coming to Washington.
Of the rest, Moss and Backlund are nice players, but not the kinds of guys who get traded in this kind of deal. I mean, there’s a certain logic to trading Eric Fehr for one of them, but beyond that I’m not sure how they might be part of the deal. I won’t bore anyone with Kostopoulos, Ivanans or Jackman.
Sorry to rain on the parade, but the truth is that the Caps can keep both Semin and Alzner right now, as long as Alzner doesn’t sign some crazy offer sheet. To deal with Calgary, the Caps would have to get better, either now or in the future. And I don’t see how that would happen with any trade for any of the Flames’ forwards.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Jul 8, 2011 12:27 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Have to say...
… the photo for your linked article is a scream.
I am sure the Caps have a move or two to make between now and opening night to dump some salary and get in under the cap. No doubt they will look to move enough off the books to get there, and I am sure they will be spending current talent to get some sort of futures (although having the Avs’ first round pick next year will be a big help for restocking the team… a good draft class and a potential lottery pick).
No offense, but there aren’t many assets in the Flames’ line up that would fit in with the Caps in their current situation. Obviously Iginla fits in, but just as obviously he’s not going anywhere, he’ll be playing for the Flames for the forseeable future. The problem the Flames and Caps have is that where the Flames may have excess talent is where the Caps are strongest (up front). I don’t see a deal between the teams as likely. There’s been a lot of talk because of several of the Caps being up in Calgary for a charity golf event, but I don’t see a deal here…
Winnipeg? Winnipeg??? Oy! (And now it's official...)
Pfft, the Flames. How about the Preds? We have the cap-room even post-Weber for Semin. I still wonder what the trade would be though? I know everyone wants Weber – but you’d just be getting a high-priced defenseman back and have the same cap-room issue.
What the Preds do have is an abundance of D and I would be trying to trade Klein, Bouillon, and of course Lebda. A goalie prospect may also be possible. I’m sure picks would also have to be included.
Any ideas what would work on your end to get this done?
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I guess nevermind. Clearing Fehr fixes your problem.
Regarding going 0-4 in the NHL Awards, I quote the great Hornqvist: "S**t's gonna happen."
Getting a dman wouldn’t really have helped anyways. Picks/prospects are what would be best – like we got back for Fehr.
My mind is all twtisted like a peanut.
Ryan Ellis would be nice.
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