Sunday Caps Clips
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Your savory Sunday brunch links:
- Yesterday was Day Two of the 2011 free agent season. The day held its share of surprises.
- Surprise! The Caps sign prodigal son Chris Bourque. [JR, Patriot-News (Leone)]
- Surprise! The Caps sign Tomas Vokoun. [JR, NHL.com, CI (Carrera), CW (Whyno), PHT, TSN (Cullen), Puck Daddy, Ed Frankovic, Goalie Guild (Audio), Peerless, DC Pro Sports Report, CapsNewsNetwork]
- More surprises:
- The Anaheim Ducks sign Andrew Gordon. [Patriot-News (Leone)]
- The Florida Panthers sign Matt Bradley... [PHT]
- ...and he will be missed. [Clydeorama, Caps Outsider]
- Olie Kolzig must really be coming to DC (and Hershey, and North Charleston). His beautiful home in Washington State is on the market. [Seattle Times]
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Holy crap, that’s a hell of a house. More pics here.
That'll make your weagle wink!
The pants that bind us should be left behind us.
I think he overbuilt for the neighborhood. Who in Kennewick is shopping in that range?
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by bilspacecadet on Jul 3, 2011 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions
That rec room/bar area is awesome, did you guys see all the jerseys? He’s got a framed Lemieux, which I thought was funny, as well as a Crosby and an Ovechkin (hung on the same wall, naturally)…and a framed Halpy :P
The definition of being a Caps fan is watching the same team over and over and expecting different results.
D’ya think Mario has a framed Kolzig?
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True. I also kind of loved that Halpy’s jersey shares a wall with a framed Chiefs jersey :P Olie’s hilarious.
The definition of being a Caps fan is watching the same team over and over and expecting different results.
Farewell Brads. You wil be missed. #needsmorebradley.
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by Knubles and Bits on Jul 3, 2011 9:47 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I know what you mean. I’m still pinching myself over the Vokoun coup. More surprises are coming.
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by capsyoungguns on Jul 3, 2011 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions
To sum up everyone's reaction on deals so far:
(Also, note the jersey #s)
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by Dimagus on Jul 3, 2011 9:56 AM EDT reply actions 17 recs
Rec’d. Ovi dancing goal celebration is an inspired choice.
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by capsyoungguns on Jul 3, 2011 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions
I note only one of those players aren’t under a long term contract.
Bruce Boudreau when asked about Brooks Laich's return to the lineup, he said: "He just adds another dimension to our team. If it was puzzle, he just fits that thing. He completes us."
Brooks Laich completing everything from teams to tires and everything in between.
For the great George “Magic” McPhee’s next trick, he will re-sign Troy Brouwer and Karl Alzner as well as clear cap space without giving up any essential components…
Please?
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by thebreakawaygoal on Jul 3, 2011 9:59 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
That would be great, and probably what happens!
Who do you consider to be an "inessential"component?
Chimera and probably Fehr.
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by Knubles and Bits on Jul 3, 2011 10:23 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Also Poti and King, although I’m not sure you can call them components right now.
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by Flash in the Pan on Jul 3, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
I still don’t understand why Vokoun signed for so cheap? Does anyone have an explanation as to why we got him for so little, and what Vokoun might have been thinking?
So as much as we want to praise McPhee for the Vokoun deal, more praise should go around.
Other reasons he came here for cheap
Chance to win, Ovie, Ted L, Fan Base, Kettler,
This has been discussed in the past, DC was never a place that people wanted to play. That is a thing of the past. This is a result of hockeytown folks. Our goalie situation is nothing less then salary cap happy hour.
That’s exactly right—George gets a lot of credit, when almost every GM would have happily made the same deal. But Vokoun just wanted to play here.
God that seems weird to write. It wasn’t that long ago we had to overpay Brian Pothier to come here.
Here’s the bigger question: Is GMGM really smart enough to have planned for this with the Varly trade? Eliminate the competition for Vokoun so that he’d have to drop his price and come here? Is he that crafty?
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by bilspacecadet on Jul 3, 2011 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions
We know for a fact that COL was in contact with Voukon prior to the trade. Read into that as you will.
The results – Capitals move a piece who had no desire to be here for a potential (and likely) lottery pick, and a 2nd.
The Capitals sign arguably the best FA goaltender available for 100k less of what Michael Leighton is making in the AHL.
Did McPhee at the very least have an epic f’ing win? Absolutely. Did he plan it that way? I don’t know if he could foresee Voukon coming at so cheap, but Voukon clearly really wanted to come here. Even though he priced himself out at what he probably wanted (~5.0 million), he came here for nothing because McPhee basically said “That’s all we can give you right now.”
by Charlie Foxtrot on Jul 3, 2011 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
You make your own luck…
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Jul 3, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
#Caps GMGM says that Vokoun’s agent said he wanted to win right now, says his agent said he wanted to come here the last couple of seasons
GMGM is having a phone presser, stories should be posted (by other bloggers) this afternoon/tonight.
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I thought this summed up McPhee’s work perfectly:
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Wash dealt a possible KHL-bound G for a likely top 10 pick, got an elite G for pennies, and have one of the leagues top G prospects.
by b.orr4 on Jul 3, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
The pick will be better than where the Caps end up picking, but I don’t think Colorado will be in the lottery next year. That team was decimated by injuries and bad goaltending last year. Don’t forget, they were challenging Vancouver for first in the division until nearly the all-star break.
Armareddon.
Still gives Caps two first round picks in a better draft. Those have value.
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No doubt. It’s still a fleecing, but I’m not seeing Colorado being a lottery team again – particularly in a year when they don’t hold their own pick.
Edmonton is still rebuilding, Calgary and Minnesota will still be mediocre – I could easily see Colorado being second in the division and a fringe playoff team if they stay healthy.
Armareddon.
Colorado might be more healthy, but they still have a ton of questions. Varly is an awkward save attempt away from the LTIR, and Gigure is probably average at best. There defense is fairly young, and while they have a great young foundation, not a lot of complimentary players to go around.
I honestly don’t think it’s out of the question to expect a pretty poor season from them.
by Charlie Foxtrot on Jul 3, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
They lost more man-games to injury last year than any other team in the league, hands-down.
Varly may be injury-prone, and Giguere may be mediocre, but I think you’re massively underestimating just how bad Anderson/Budaj/Elliot were last year.
Colorado still has Stastny, Duchene, O’Reilly and McClement down the middle. If Mueller is healthy, he’ll join Landeskog, Jones, Galiardi and possibly Joey Hishon on the wing.
With the Hejda signing, they shored up their defense (which isn’t really all that young anymore), and they’ve got depth down in Lake Erie in the event of injury.
The pick will be higher than where the Caps draft, but like I said, I’ll be surprised if the Caps get a pick in the top-10. I’d guess something around 12-18.
Armareddon.
Craig Anderson must have been great last year. Ottawa signed him to a four iyear contract, and that organization wouldn’t do that for just any average goalie…
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Jul 3, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Well in fairness, he was phenomenal two years ago, and there was some talk that he didn’t exactly put forth his best efforts after feeling insulted by the Avs’ contract extension offer. He did suddenly play quite well in Ottawa…
Armareddon.
Let’s just say my respect for Anderson was a lot higher this time last year.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Jul 3, 2011 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
You know better than to count on Mueller and you should know better than to count on Hishon. Even expecting more than 60 points from Landeskog is pretty optimistic.
Obviously, this is all speculation.
Hoping Hishon’s melon isnt too mushy.
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Even without them in the lineup, Colorado will be better than last year. I’m not going to say they’re a playoff team by any means, but they likely won’t be in the top-10 picks next year.
Armareddon.
If you aren’t a playoff team, you’re most likely a top 10. We’ll see, I think COL could go a lot of ways, but for the last 3 years they’ve basically been a top 10 pick caliber team. Some luck might get them in to the playoffs again, and some bad luck could have the Caps picking 1 overall. We’ll see.
Obviously, this is all speculation.
They have a pretty good goalie now*.
- yes, i know
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I’m now picturing defenders magnetically unable to collapse on the goal crease together. Ha.
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Wild and Baseless Prediction of the Pick
It’ll be #6, Nail Yakupov.
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Doubt Nail even makes it past the top 3.
by Charlie Foxtrot on Jul 3, 2011 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Surely you make your own luck to a degree, but it sounds like Voukon is genuinely very happy to play for a contender. Any elite player who takes such a pay cut and has a smile on his face is probably very okay with his situation.
The best news? Voukon could be extremely hungry this year. One, it’s the first time really ever he played for a contender and he’s basically playing for his final payday for ‘12 UFA class. He’s going to come to play.
by Charlie Foxtrot on Jul 3, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think GMGM could have planned for Vokoun to come down this far. I’m sure he could read some of the goalie market contours, like PHI taking out Bryz and thus filling the largest G need for a contender. But even trading Varly to COL, they still made Vokoun an offer. I’m not sure how GMGM could have planned for Vokoun to turn down higher offers to come here.
Obviously, this is all speculation.
yeah…unlikely he pulled off the Varly deal with this in mind, closing any obvious spot for Vokoun to land and offering him a chance to win here next year. But when you make a good move, sometimes dominoes fall your way as well.
Everything ends badly...otherwise it wouldn't end.
by Davethecapsfan on Jul 3, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
I actually asked that last night, I was thinking this had to be a situation where Vokoun’s people approached the Caps.
Yes, essentially what happened, as far as I can tell, was Vokoun’s agent called the Caps and asked if they were interested, the Caps said “Sure, but don’t have much cap space” and Vokoun’s camp came back and said “That’s okay, he wants to play for a winner.”
Tears are welling up in my eyes right now.
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by bilspacecadet on Jul 3, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m so happy. They like us…they really like us.
by Goaliemama on Jul 3, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions 9 recs
You have to like the fact Vokoun wanted to come here so much.
Everything ends badly...otherwise it wouldn't end.
by Davethecapsfan on Jul 3, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
a Czceh understudy..
do you think that had anything to do with it?
by shotfromthepoint on Jul 3, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
No, i think he’s played against the Caps enough to know he’d want to play for them. His press conference said he was looking forward to having fun playing hockey.
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He seemed genuinely happy. McPhee said that Tomas’ reps told him that Voukon had wanted to play for the Capitals for a few years, and that he himself wasn’t ever made aware of that.
by Charlie Foxtrot on Jul 3, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Um….sure. GMs never know when elite goalies want to waive their NMCs.
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Just repeating what he said. Didn’t say it was necessarily true…
by Charlie Foxtrot on Jul 3, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I hadn’t heard that, but it’s awesome. So he wasn’t even planning on getting in on the Vokoun bidding war?
Obviously, this is all speculation.
Probably never thought they’d have room for him unless they made even more moves than he was already planning to get Alzner and Brouwer in under the cap
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by Davethecapsfan on Jul 3, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
So, when GMGM said we don’t have much cap room…this is what we can do…he probably already had a “clear some $ room” plan
Probably, or he at least had been thinking about it enough that he knew what his options were.
Obviously, this is all speculation.
Don Fishman works quickly
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Jul 3, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Still cannot believe that a goalie that still has some good years left took that much of a pay cut. I understand players want to win, but for a 35 year old premier netminder you would think he’d want at least three years at close to what he was making last year.
I guess he just really wants a chance to win. If that’s the case then I love the guy. Not many players would take a 1/3 pay-cut just to play for a contender.
Habs Eyes on the Prize is plotting to poach Karl Alzner via offer sheet. Two words: Hell. No.
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Pretty clever idea, though. But I think they’d match Alzner at that price, and maybe Brouwer as well. He’d have to, immediately, sell Semin to the highest bidder.
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by bilspacecadet on Jul 3, 2011 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
He’d have to, immediately, sell Semin to thehighestlowest bidder.
Don’t try to figure Sasha out. Just ride the wave.
How? He’d be selling Semin to….himself.
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by bilspacecadet on Jul 3, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
I think I’d take the picks for Brouwer and then go throw up about the Alzner contract that I’d just signed.
"...what're you gonna do?"
by Rainbow, Kitty, Beer on Jul 3, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
The pick for Brouwer would just be a 2nd. Not a great way to turn a 1st into a 2nd in short order.
Obviously, this is all speculation.
Still a waste. We need a guy like Brouwer.
Everything ends badly...otherwise it wouldn't end.
by Davethecapsfan on Jul 3, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree, and maybe you can use the 2nd to package for a better pick (either two 2nds for a late first or maybe use the 2nd to move up… as long as you move up more than 2 spots and don’t pick Angus).
Obviously, this is all speculation.
Oh brutal. I was looking at old figures and thought that was first and third territory.
"...what're you gonna do?"
by Rainbow, Kitty, Beer on Jul 3, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
No, they strategically put each guy in the high end of their salary group.
Obviously, this is all speculation.
Sure, that would make the most sense. I need coffee. I do think a 2nd-3rd line guy is expendable if we have to start giving up toys.
"...what're you gonna do?"
by Rainbow, Kitty, Beer on Jul 3, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
$7.1 Million for Alzner and Brouwer combined would really hurt, but the Caps could then start the season minus Poti, Fehr, and Chimera and with 12 forwards if they add two guys who are at or near the minimum (say, Aucoin and Beagle). It wouldn’t take very long for them to be able to afford a third forward, say Cody Eakin. (I say Eakin because he doesn’t have to pass through waivers. You can send him up and down as needed). Later in the season, they can upgrade someone to Sjogren.
Not ideal, but possible.
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by Gould Old Days on Jul 3, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
There’s no way that 7.1 million goes to Alzner and Brouwer. There just simply isn’t.
by Charlie Foxtrot on Jul 3, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
They’re living in a fantasy world Kramer voice
Seriously, 6.0 tops. TOPS. Brouwer isn’t getting more than 2-2.25, Alzner no more than 3-3.25.
by Charlie Foxtrot on Jul 3, 2011 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Did I add wrong? $7.8 makes life quite a lot harder than $7.1.
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by Gould Old Days on Jul 3, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Using the figures provided in the Copper and Blue article linked to above, offer the following contracts:
Karl Alzner, 1-4 years, $4.7m per season
Troy Brouwer, 1-3 years, $3.1m
Obviously, this is all speculation.
Alzner’s 4.7 offer would net a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd.
Brouwer’s 3.1 offer would net a 1st and 3rd.
You simply can’t let Alzner go, but for an Edmonton 1st and 3rd, would you accept Brouwer’s departure? We’d recoup the first lost in acquiring him, and in theory, it’d be a higher pick in a better draft?
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If we get a First for Brouwer I’d be fine. I don’t see that happening though.
Obviously, this is all speculation.
It’s kind of hilarious that you’re all doing all of these financial analyses when yesterday should have already taught you that it’s going to be much less predictable and much more insane than anything your logic could possibly lend itself to. Just give it up and watch…and wait.
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Not really a commentary on your analyses…it’s fun to work that stuff out…more a commentary on the craziness of it all. It kind of defies any analyses I’ve read. Hell, some at NHL.com even went as far as to say the “The Caps are pretty much done and will have a nice core group in Neuvy and Holtby in net”. WRONG!
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No, those are for the old levels. They revised the cutoffs before this past season.
$1,034,249 annual cap hit or less: No compensation
$1,034,249 — $1,567,043: Third-round pick
$1,567,043 — $3,134,088: Second-round pick
$3,134,088 — $4,701,131: First and third-round pick
$4,701,131 — $6,268,175: First, second and third-round pick
$6,268,175 — $7,835,219: Two first-round picks, a second and third
$7,835,219 and higher: Four first-round picks
"...what're you gonna do?"
by Rainbow, Kitty, Beer on Jul 3, 2011 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
And 4.7 for a D-only player on his second contract with only one full NHL season? Ridiculous. If they want to pay Hot Karl 4.7 they had damn well better be prepared to pay Subban 6+. Nice vindictive pipe dream, dicks.
Obviously, this is all speculation.
Bah humbug. Go sign your own douche bag players. It’s not like they don’t have shit to attend to in their own house.
Obviously, this is all speculation.
I guess every team could use a guy like Brouwer. You can’t have too many guys like that. The better questions is how many teams can afford to overpay a guy like Brouwer, and overpay Alzner (by a lot), and have Scott Gomez on their roster.
Obviously, this is all speculation.
Right. But they can definitely afford to over pay for one or the other…especially the lower of the two.
Sure they can. It’s just short sighted, unrealistic, and pretty much stupid.
Obviously, this is all speculation.
If they sign Alzner and Brouwer to those deals they have 500K in cap space and need a depth forward and Gorges is gone or they are in the same spot as us. An RFA exposed and a need to move salary without leverage.
They also have Price and Subban RFA next year.
Obviously, this is all speculation.
Realistically though, only Brouwer is available. Every GM in the League knows that GMGM matches anything that’s not ludicrous.
Right, and what is the point of paying a ludicrous contract when you also lose at least one very valuable asset in the process of doing so?
Obviously, this is all speculation.
But what’s that very valuable asset? Caps gave up a first for him…is a second that much more valuable in a deep draft?
Oh, I thought we were talking about Alzner in the “GMGM matches anything that’s not ludicrous.”
No, the 2 isn’t incredibly valuable, but 2nd round picks are the currency of the trade deadline, so it at least helps us there.
Obviously, this is all speculation.
Hah. Indeed we were. Going back to my hole now. In my mind I’ve completely dismissed anyone getting an offer sheet to Alzner…so I naturally transitioned to Brouwer there.
Risk for the team that makes the offer too – 7 day period to match.
Caps could wait all 7 days, then match, which reduces the signing team’s opportunities to sign other players while all the remaining quality free agents get snapped up.
Actually we’re talking about one select group of fans of a Canadian team.
The definition of being a Caps fan is watching the same team over and over and expecting different results.
Sheesh…it’s Sunday and the day before a holiday…can’t I try to poke F&B without being held to the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth :)?
Actually I was taking F&B to task, who seemed to be getting ultra-pissy about the proposal, thus making it appear like he thought the team was actually going to do that and it wasn’t just a fan’s suggestion.
F&B gets confused a lot, I like to help him out in his misguided jackassery.
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Scary…and actually a good Idea for Montreal. No way we could match those numbers. $4+ mil for Alzner is rediculous. Just because a team tenders an offer sheet does not mean a player must accept it…can’t he decline it and still sign with the original team for less?
Yeah, he can decline. It’s happened before. You just take the deal to the GM, show them what you have in front of you, and then hammer something out that makes sense for both sides. Jeff Carter did that for PHI earlier in his career. He should have taken the money.
Obviously, this is all speculation.
Troof.
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Just skimmed that proposal…It’s too late for a team to select club-elected arb.
And Jeff Carter isn’t the only one to choose to not sign an offer sheet earlier in his career; definitely depends on the interests of the player as well as the relationship and communication between the team/player/agent.
Laich told him it’s not about the money, it’s just about someone giving you the chance to play the game you love.
by bigeugene on Jul 3, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
There were, at most, 3 suitors including us, by my count. I could see DET and CHI be in the running, but I guess they didn’t want to match or Vokoun had a problem with them.
Obviously, this is all speculation.
I think TV having played in the Southeast and lit up by the Caps on several occasions must have helped. That and being used to the Eastern Conference generally.
by Dirk Dangler on Jul 3, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
I wonder if Neuvirth being Czech also helped on some level. They have to have crossed paths at some point during Neuvrith’s development and TVo knows he’s not getting any younger. A little nationalistic pride perhaps making him want to help mentor/develop a fellow countryman?
Well besides that…I mean it’s not that big of a country and hockey only makes up a small part of the country. NHL-caliber keepers is about as small of a community/group that one gets. I know he’s never played for the national team, but to never have crossed paths?
They are over a decade apart in age. Vokoun has been in the NHL since Neuvirth had pubes. When would they have crossed paths, prior to the NHL arrival of Neuvirth?
Obviously, this is all speculation.
This may be a stupid question, but is it unlikely for any moves to happen today because it’s a Sunday? Or would it probably be a day off and a slow news day?
What's the liklihood...
I’m kind of oblivious when it comes to much of the trade/cap kinda options out there, but am finding myself hooked on all this off season action by GMGM… admittedly I’m not much up on the stats of who trumps who on paper, and thus may be way off base on this… but the last few days of chatter re: fitting Alzner and Bower under the cap got me thinking- how possible is it that GMGM works a trade for Schultz, Fehr, maybe Chimmera (tho I’m a bit of a fan of his speed and how it seems to keep D’s honest) for picks and prospects then dumps Poti’s/King’s salary in LTIR/Hersey…
Question 1- Could we possibly find away to fit Hannon, Brower and Alzner in under the cap?
Question 2- Any thoughts on whether Hannon might make this work by taking a cut in $$ in lieu of Yrs?
Question 3- If we could ink Hannon over Schult- are we that much stronger a roster?
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Hannan’s gone. Hamrlik took his roster space. Caps have 7 NHL D, and I don’t expect to see any changes to that part of the team anymore, other than moving Poti. Whatever machinations McPhee does will have to come among the forwards.
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by Gould Old Days on Jul 3, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
I think GMGM watched as Wideman, Poti, Green and Carlson were all lost to injury or nicked up and decided that a team really cannot have too many puck-movers. Hamrlik may not be Hannan’s equal defensively, but he’s much better at moving the puck up-ice.
Moreover, I think Hannan will end up moving back west.
Armareddon.
Question 1- Could we possibly find away to fit Hannon, Brower and Alzner in under the cap?
It would probably take $7.5 million or so to sign them all ($3.0 for Hannan, $2.5 for Alzner, $2.0 for Brouwer). The Caps would have to move Alexander Semin (and get no roster player back) to make that happen, and it assumes Tom Poti’s contract comes off the cap.
Question 2- Any thoughts on whether Hannon might make this work by taking a cut in $$ in lieu of Yrs?
His cap hit was $4.5 million. I don’t know that taking more than a one-third hair cut on his next contract is reasonable. Don’t even know if that much is, considering that other teams have to spend big just to hit the payroll floor for next season. And, the Caps have six solid defensemen — Green, Carlson, Wideman, Schultz, Hamrlik, and (assuming he is signed) Alzner. If Hannan was to be signed, who sits or gets moved?
Question 3- If we could ink Hannon over Schult- are we that much stronger a roster.
Schultz is signed through 2014. That isn’t an issue.
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by thebreakawaygoal on Jul 3, 2011 10:35 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Hannan has plenty of cash in the bank. He should play for the minimum. Step up Hanner…for the love of the game damn it!
Based on GMGM’s agressiveness I could see him goading players into signing for less like Vokoun did. He is clearly building a championship roster. Take a pay cut and youre on it
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Yeah, why not? It works for Ken Holland. No GM is more proficient in wringing out a team-first deal than him.
I root harder for the doomed.
This is why I was surprised Detroit was mentioned as a potential suitor for Dagr.
"You just have a sense," Holland says. "The type of player you want, the type of situation you reference for your next game, you see it."
by Acer Jonesy's Laughker on Jul 3, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Gorgeous. Heck of an electric bill but gorgeous.
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by capsyoungguns on Jul 3, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Great skit.
Everything ends badly...otherwise it wouldn't end.
by Davethecapsfan on Jul 3, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Adrian Dater hopes all of the bad things in life happen to you and nobody else but you.
"...what're you gonna do?"
by Rainbow, Kitty, Beer on Jul 3, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Kerstein is tweeting GMGM’s conference call on Vokoun. Hasn’t talked to Holtby yet, says Prior will. Oof.
Don’t try to figure Sasha out. Just ride the wave.
Not sure how I feel about that. On one hand, it’d be nice to get a call from the boss, but on the other Prior has probably spent more time with Holtby than anyone else currently with the organization.
Probably. I was looking at more from all of what was said in the press and what ended up happening. He’ll be fine. In the course of a little over 24 hours his world went a little topsy turvey.
Don’t try to figure Sasha out. Just ride the wave.
Once again we agree….taking it a step further, Holtby is probably disappointed, but deep down probably realizes that another year in the AHL will help his long term development.
He also seems to have a pretty good head on his shoulders – based on comments he’s made in the past, he seems to understand that it’s the nature of the business, and if he keeps working hard and trying to improve his game, he’ll get his shot. I’m sure he’s disappointed, but I can’t see him letting it affect his performance (or threatening to take his toys and go home).
You had me at "no problem"!
by mosaicist on Jul 3, 2011 12:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Shall we dub him the anti-Varlamov? A kid who is willing to work for his shot, what a concept…
The definition of being a Caps fan is watching the same team over and over and expecting different results.
He’s a good Canadian farmboy!
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by mosaicist on Jul 3, 2011 1:41 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
87! Aieee.
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I never got to it yesterday and was going to let it drop, but was he still a Caps RFA? I’m a little fuzzy on the age/years thing with him because of when he signed (age 19).
Don’t try to figure Sasha out. Just ride the wave.
Matt Bradley, Badass Sheriff.
That article about Bradley is hilarious. Headline:
Panthers add toughness, sign former Capitals bruiser Matt Bradley to two-year contract to a two-year contract
Then:
the Panthers couldn’t stay completely silent as they inked former Capitals tough guy and crowd favorite Matt Bradley to a two-year contract to keep the peace in Sunrise.
They forgot to add the “and bleed all over” line.
Imma worried he fights too much and gets concussed.
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Yeah…and he’s going to have his work cut out for him…on paper Florida looks like a team that’s gonna need some protecting.
On a different note…the Panther’s site has Nolan Yonkman listed as what appears to be their 7th D.
Hmm, maybe the Panthers need DJ King.
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by Bman21212 on Jul 3, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
per Darren Dreger
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Interesting leafs trade with Nash. Lebda and Slaney for Lombardi and Franson.
CB has to be livid
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I really hope it isnt. That makes Greg Sherman’s mess up look like spilt milk.
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Poile off his meds this month? Good lord
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by Davethecapsfan on Jul 3, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
The folks over at PPP love this trade.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Jul 3, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Is Lombardi’s health issue worse than people know or something? At PPP they are saying there is a 4th round pick in the trade as well but that’s peanuts.
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by Davethecapsfan on Jul 3, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
They still have Komisarek, so there’s that.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Jul 3, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
uh...?
@mirtle
James Mirtle
That deal includes a conditional pick: If Lombardi plays 60 games, Preds get a fourth-rounder in 2013. If he doesn’t, Leafs get one.
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by Davethecapsfan on Jul 3, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Chris Burton
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by Davethecapsfan on Jul 3, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmmm….
@EdFrankovic: GMGM felt that bringing in some of these new veterans can help his younger, highly skilled players learn “how to train”
"The ice will show everything."
Pathetic, was my thought. Shouldn’t the team have trainers that can teach the players what they’re supposed to be doing to be in condition?
"...what're you gonna do?"
by Rainbow, Kitty, Beer on Jul 3, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Absolutey. I’ll take what Frankovic said with a grain of salt because we don’t have the complete context and it is a bit of a sweeping generalization; but, it pains me to even hear that professional atheletes that are on the cusp of a championship have trouble finding motiviation to train hard
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Absolutey. I’ll take what Frankovic said with a grain of salt because we don’t have the complete context
Yup. Controversy drives web trafffic.
I listened to that conference call, and GMGM was talking about how young guys out of Juniors and College think they train hard and are in good shape, but have no idea just how hard you have to train at the pro level. What Mr. Frankovic tweeted was a bit of a stretch.
Yeah, his tweet completely misses the context.
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by Davethecapsfan on Jul 3, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I suppose.
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by Davethecapsfan on Jul 3, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
No problem. Here’s the link to the audio if anyone is interested: http://washington.cbslocal.com/2011/07/03/caps-sign-goalie-tomas-vokoun/
To clarify, I asked GMGM if bringing in guys like Ward, Halpern, etc is going to help the team’s work ethic. And I also pointed out how hard Laich practices. GMGM went into a rather lengthy answer.
But isn’t “have no idea just how hard you have to train at the pro level” equivalent to not knowing “how to train?” You either train right at the pro level or you don’t. He basically agreed that some guys don’t otherwise he would’ve dismissed my question. So I fail to see how the tweet was incorrect or even a stretch. Guys like Ward, Halpern, etc will help these younger guys learn what it takes to succeed at the pro level in regards to training and practicing.
And the question was not directed at Ovechkin at all.
by Ed F - WNST on Jul 3, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
It was the “younger, highly skilled players” that I think people were questioning. That phrase seems directed at the core players. It certainly didn’t sound like it was referring to prospects making the jump from the juniors.
by Ginga on Jul 3, 2011 2:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think there just might have been a disconnect with the phrase, “how to train”.
In one sense it could mean that these older players will use their experience to help modify the younger guys’ workouts and help them better prepare for an NHL season/post-season, something that these older players have done for many years.
In another, almost connotatively, it comes across like they’re training is far too ineffective. This, then, taken to the next level as almost calling out the players for being out of shape.
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Thanks for the context, Ed. Definitely something to watch this coming year.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Jul 3, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
The interviews today confirm what most expected with Vokoun…once the big contract payday/term was gone, a winner was the choice; makes sense. Interesting that Florida was still seeking his return even after signing Theodore based on what was reported by Whyno from the Vokoun interview. As I posted yesterday, I thought once the starting goalie, big contract slots were gone that Chicago, Detroit or Washington were 3 likely destinations. Glad it was the Caps.
From Whyno’s blog entry:
General manager George McPhee did not guarantee Vokoun he would be the starter – "I wouldn’t expect it if I was signing for 5 million," the goalie said. He’ll split duties in some way with Michal Neuvirth but could very well be counted on as the No. 1 guy.
Regardless of which 2 are playing (Neuvirth, Vokoun, Holtby) I suspect BB will stick by the ‘hot glove’ streak.
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Suck it, Varly.
Obviously, this is all speculation.
by Rob Parker on Jul 3, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions 9 recs
I really love this guy just on that one response:
“I wouldn’t expect it if I was signing for 5 million.”
Learn from that Varlamov. Take that to heart.
by Charlie Foxtrot on Jul 3, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
If he wasn’t signing in Florida with a three year offer that was obviously for more than he’s getting here, he clearly didn’t have much faith in the team/management there. Even with the crazy signings on Friday. Unless more money meant $3 million or something, so he turned it down expecting a better deal.
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would Columbus consider moving Tyutin for Poti/Erskine/Fehr/Chimera & a pick? It would mainly be a salary dump AND we’d upgrade our defense too.
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by thebreakawaygoal on Jul 3, 2011 1:27 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I think they’d want Schultz instead. Tyutin is a good defensemen. Erskine is a 6D, Fehr is good but constantly hurt, Chimera is a borderline 4th liner making a great deal of money for what he does.
Remember, Columbis is already in the market for d-men. HIGHLY doubtful they move Tyutin.
by Charlie Foxtrot on Jul 3, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
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Gif not posted here because of possible unintentional subtext people will read into it.
Bruce Boudreau when asked about Brooks Laich's return to the lineup, he said: "He just adds another dimension to our team. If it was puzzle, he just fits that thing. He completes us."
Brooks Laich completing everything from teams to tires and everything in between.
I’m listening to GMGM on the Voukon conference call, and I’m strongly convinced that more moves are coming. If it’s for Semin for cap relief and another roster player, if it’s Chimera for simple dump. More moves are coming. He is basically saying that they were done a few days ago, and that the chance forced their hand. I’m wondering if they get a great deal for a guy like Semin, for a guy like Schultz, do they make that move to help with some relief and maybe for something that can help them now.
My major concern with the next moves coming is how it could hurt the team next season where we currently have 11 players signed accounting for 53% of the current salary cap. Where we’ll have major players like Mike Green, Dennis Wideman, and John Carlson who would be up for a major salary raise. Raising JC to 4.5 and resigning MG52 and Wideman would give the caps 75% of their salary cap for 14 players. Not counting the multi year signings for Brouwer and Alzner.
Bruce Boudreau when asked about Brooks Laich's return to the lineup, he said: "He just adds another dimension to our team. If it was puzzle, he just fits that thing. He completes us."
Brooks Laich completing everything from teams to tires and everything in between.
Hope Orlov is ready and say bye bye to Wideman.
"...what're you gonna do?"
by Rainbow, Kitty, Beer on Jul 3, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Wideman is most likely gone, so I’d scratch him out. Just too much salary (~4 million, and I don’t think he’d want to take much of a haircut). Remember that Orlov is eventually going to want to be brought along so he can compete for a spot.
Mike, as much as I like him as a player and how rare he is, might not necessarily be in the teams’ long future plans if he wants a decent raise. Carlson and Alzner are quickly turning into the core of this team, and will be made priority IMO.
Remember a lot of guys are coming off the books, too. Knuble, Wideman, Chimera, Fehr, and Semin are coming off the books if no moves are done. If Semin is moved for a lesser contract, it can still work. The Capitals are in a very lucky position where they’re getting good, perhaps fantastic, goaltending for a cheap amount. Lot of flexibility because of that.
by Charlie Foxtrot on Jul 3, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope that after the dust settles, Sjogren gets a chance to play on the 4th line. Based on his interviews it seems like he’s a physical player and a hard worker. This team could use that young energy and hunger to push some of the veterans.
The competition for the bottom six I think could be brutal. Eakin was possibly inches from making the team last season. Chimera is quickly looking like an overpaid cog that doesn’t really have a spot – if he’s still here, I’m sure he’s going to be hungry. Hendricks has spent his short NHL career fighting for a spot, so I’m betting he’ll be game. Halpern is the only lock on the fourth line. A guy like Sjogren is going to have to fight anyway, but it’s going to be very hard to learn the NA game that quickly.
by Charlie Foxtrot on Jul 3, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Eakin will keep a bunch of Caps players honest this preseason.
The Duchesne Cup games will be “must see” hockey, methinks.
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Yeah, I’m more excited for it than I have ever (even if it’s been around short time :D).
by Charlie Foxtrot on Jul 3, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I know it’s Garrioch but if this is true, no wonder he didn’t re-sign with Florida once July 1 hit…
SunGarrioch Bruce Garrioch
“I’m told Panthers last offer to Vokoun was four-years, $10 million. Wow.”
That works out to 2.5M per year on average; why would he re-sign with Florida for that amount, especially with the money they were handing out?
Yeah, that’s not even a lot of money or term. They were handing out dollars like hot cakes the last two days, and they wouldn’t offer Vokoun anything credible?
Obviously, this is all speculation.
Is there something going on with Voukon that isn’t being made public? That’s an absolutely insulting offer consider what FLA was handing out on July 1st.
by Charlie Foxtrot on Jul 3, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Potulny article with quotes…I’d love to be on the phone listening to Fishman/Yingst or McPhee selling one of these guys on a deal like this…they seem to have success with these guys every off-season.
A one-way contract next year? Well done Ryan!
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Katie has her report from he presser up:
"This is quite a move for our organization," McPhee said. "No one was anticipating that a player of this caliber would be available. We were certainly willing to go with the two young guys. The concern would be if we had an injury to one of those two, how deep would we be after that? Those were our initial thoughts [after trading Varlamov] and we were working on adding another top minor league goaltender when this opportunity presented itself."
Sweet.
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I think when Tomas’ agent basically said “money isn’t really an issue, he’d like to play for a team he’s wanted to come to for a while”, George and his staff knew they simply had to do it.
George also said he didn’t know that Voukon had wanted to come to the Capitals for a little while now.
by Charlie Foxtrot on Jul 3, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Or do you think his first thought when he heard “Money isn’t really an issue…” was “Shit, last time I heard that I ended up paying Laich $4.5 million”
by Eggseronius on Jul 3, 2011 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
Gold
DownGoesBrownDown Goes Brown
Been offline all day; just saw “Lebda” trending worldwide. Assuming there was an international discussion over the most untradable athlete?
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by kingzman264 on Jul 3, 2011 2:07 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
The trade in a vaccum makes absolutely zero sense. NSH has to be making some moves AND anticipating Weber wanting a lot.
by Charlie Foxtrot on Jul 3, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Ranger fan here. McPhee has absolutely killed this free agency period. Congrats on Vokoun. Once again, you guys are prohibitive favorites to take #1 in the East. Joel Ward is a beast too.
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Thanks, and congrats on landing Richards. I’m certain we’re not looking forward to playing against him.
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Thanks. Hopefully he wakes Gabby out of his deep sleep. Should be a fun season.
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Here’s hoping he’s not the only Gabby that comes around this year.
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by Bald Pollack on Jul 3, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I like the Fedotenko re-signing, too. (Also helps that he was a long time teammate of Richards in TB.)
One team I can’t figure out is the Flyers. Can’t tell if they’ll be real tough or just a handful of different type players with no chemistry.
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They will need a bit to regroup, I think.
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Not entirely sure how adding Jagr to Pronger will improve the leadership questions.
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but it’ll make for excellent TV
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by RedBirdie on Jul 3, 2011 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
More like HB-Elb-O-w
AMIRITE?!
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by Steck It Out on Jul 3, 2011 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions
anyone heard from Ovechkin
…since the series of acquistions have been made? Just wondering what he’s feeling.
by shotfromthepoint on Jul 3, 2011 3:25 PM EDT reply actions
He hasn’t called or email me.
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I don’t. But he has me on speed dial. That’s what makes the lack of contact so odd. :-)
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The captain is having the quietest summer in memory. Not a word about him in teh Russian press for about two weeks. I think this represents progress.
He’ll be a celebrity guest at a boxing match in Moscow next week though.
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hasn’t he made it a practice to reach out to new teammates in the past?
It appears that management is doing/has done everything it can possibly do to put this group in a position to succeed, and as captain, being the leader of the group, I’m curious as to his disposition around all of this. If he reports in the same condition he reported in last year, it’ll reflect poorly on his ability to be a leader, particularly in light of the strides management has made.
by shotfromthepoint on Jul 3, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
DobberHockey
Of course vokoun is move of the summer, duh. That one was so good I can’t count it cause nothing will ever beat it #unfairtoothermoves
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by EmilyB on Jul 3, 2011 3:35 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
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Anyone who believes I felt franson move beat vokoun move – automatic dummy. I say beer is the best, doesn’t mean it beats oxygen lol
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by EmilyB on Jul 3, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
for his next trick, GMGM will hypnotise alzner and brouwer into signing sub-million contracts while simultaneously rescuing a kitten in a high tree without a ladder. His wink will also bring a terminally-ill child back to health.
No kidding? The digital version didn’t work. I’m still fighting something sinusitis-y. =(
I do hope he’s able to maneuver the cap only using Fehr, Chimera, and Poti. Unless a high-quality center is coming back, I wouldn’t be thrilled to see 28 depart, especially if it’s just a cap remedy.
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Eh, I think he probably trades the rights to the kitten for picks and tosses the kid on LTIR.
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by Rainbow, Kitty, Beer on Jul 3, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 10 recs
Doubt it. NJ had some coaching issues that Philly ought to avoid.
That being said, I’d be shocked if Philly didn’t stumble a bit out of the gate before picking it up post-New Year’s. They’re still a playoff team though.
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This is so f***ing great I cannot even speak. Tomas Vokun!!!! Best goalie in the league…for 1.5mill!!!!
Stanley Cup…SHIP IT!!!
They hand-deliver that thing, dude. White gloves and all. At home, if you’re extra-lucky.
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But Amazon Prime is 2-day. You have to pay extra to get it overnight.
Nice guys finish first, but sometimes the season is awfully long.
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However long it takes to get to you, you still only keep it for 24 hours. (Also, as irrationally exuberant as we all are right now, let’s not go crazy with this Cup talk. It’s gonna be a long, amazing season ahead, but in the NHL, there’s never any guarantees, or free shipping, unless it’s JP carrying Hejda on his back.)
by brooksengr on Jul 3, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Fondly!
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by winterion on Jul 3, 2011 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Heard that Brads signed...
with FLA, just haven’t seen it reported anywhere other than here…any word on what kind of deal he got?
by shotfromthepoint on Jul 3, 2011 4:24 PM EDT reply actions
Two years, terms not out yet? I’d guess in the 1M/yr range.
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curious as to why TSN hasn’t reported it yet, and it hasn’t made it to capgeek…
by shotfromthepoint on Jul 3, 2011 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Capgeek is running behind. No numbers on Bourque’s K either.
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Embarrassing. What are we paying those guys?
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They haven’t updated that either. Slackers.
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by EmilyB on Jul 3, 2011 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Preds sign Bergfors, 1yr / 575k. Good pickup, low-risk.
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There must be some rumors of a completely toxic attitude around the league.
Obviously, this is all speculation.
Gotta be something like that, because his underlying numbers are way better than 575k.
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by Knee high to a duck on Jul 3, 2011 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Given the intangibles of age and wanting to play for a winner with limited cap space it makes a little sense at least. 575k for Bergfors shouts some sort of red flag.
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by Davethecapsfan on Jul 3, 2011 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Lines in 11-12
I saw somewhere and I think it was Whyno or CSN had an attempt at predicting the lines for this coming season.. I know they had this.
Ovie-Nick-Semin
Brouwer-MarJo-Knuble
Chimmer-Liach-Ward
Fehr-Halpern-Hendricks
Green-Hamerlik
Alzner-Carlson
Wideman-Schultz
Intresting to see a guess that Semin would be on the top line, I know those 3 have defensive brain cramps, But I wonder if getting Brouwer and Ward allow the Caps to have those 3 as a top line.
Of course this is a radical guess with what we know is on the roster now. What happens down the road will change and it’s back to the drawing board. :)
Semin's not a bad defensive player...
if he could rid himself of the unnecessary stick fouls that have plagued him throughout his career, he’d be a good defensive player – not Selke good…but certainly above average.
by shotfromthepoint on Jul 3, 2011 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I would love to see that line, I dont think Knuble can keep up anymore as a first line winger.
And it looks like we have more depth now and hopefully we can rid of that tag of being a one line team.
I don’t get this “Knuble can’t keep up on the first line anymore”. Does anyone even watch Capitals hockey past January? Yes, he is a very slow starter for the first half of the season, but the guy is just fine when the season starts to heat up.
by Charlie Foxtrot on Jul 3, 2011 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I love how people are like “Knuble is getting slow.”
Knuble is about the same speed he’s always been – fast enough.
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If only we could pop gramps body onto Chimera’s legs. Now that would be a player.
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So he could stand in front of the net faster?
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by EmilyB on Jul 3, 2011 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I know the hype has been Chimera-Laich-Ward as a checking line, but I just don’t see it. Laich’s lived on our second line and we’re deep enough to have Chimera on our fourth.
Also, I’m not sold on the Care Bears Don’t Play Defense™ narrative.
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Ovie is the only subpar defender on that top line. I’d like to see Semin with JoJo for an extended period to see if they can develop some chemistry. That won’t happen, of course. And really, any debate about what the lines should be is moot since BB will continually scramble them.
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by Rainbow, Kitty, Beer on Jul 3, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
This concerns me. 1st line should bounce back and be good. 3rd and 4th lines are also projected to do a very good job. But the second line is a big question mark. I don’t see them starting the year very well (unless sasha-meter is high) and BB will keep changing lines, not letting x-90-28 develop chemistry.
The 2nd line doesn’t have to be great if you have a really strong third line and a good checking fourth line. Obviously the first line is very strong.
The problem in years past is that the third line has basically been 2nd line castoffs. There was never a shutdown line. A combination of Ward, Laich, Brouwer, Halpern, Chimera, Sjogren, Hendricks allows you to have some very tough bottom six lines. That will elevate the pressure put on the top lines.
by Charlie Foxtrot on Jul 3, 2011 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
PHT wrote a story on who the Caps and Sabres will have to LTIR/get rid of to get under the cap:
http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/03/with-capitals-and-sabres-in-cap-crunch-who-gets-moved-to-sign-restricted-free-agents/
Synopsis:
Caps could rid of Semin, and otherwise send Fehr out, or put Poti on LTIR.
Sabres will most likely send out Kotalik or an established D-man. Of the D-men, Leopold and ShaMo are the best candidates, but it appears ShaMo is the most likely to be moved.
I don’t think Fehr will be ready to start the season either…so…
If you could find someone to take Erskine’s contract for a 6th or 7th round pick, with the money saved from Fehr and Poti, the Caps will be in good shape – real good shape I’d think. And when Fehr gets healthy, perhaps move him as well. I like what I see from him(Fehr), I just see it too infrequently.
by shotfromthepoint on Jul 3, 2011 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Erskine for a 6 or 7? Any GM in the league would do that.
He’s a solid 6D, IMO. On the Caps, he’ll be 7D and, we’ve seen a need to go 8 and 9 deep in the past. (Remember Brian Fahey?).
No way he’s going anywhere.
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Erskine doesn’t free up enough cap space to really justify the move, either, does he? I mean, at least we’d be selling high, insofar as his recent performance, but it feels like the wrong guy to move, if we’ve got the choice.
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Erskine has kind of a bad contract. But the Capitals need to be losing contracts like Chimera or Fehr first, as there at least viable replacements for them. Who replaces Erskine? McNeil? Some other, unknown d-man who comes in around 800k-1.0 million?
Nah, I don’t love Erskine’s contract, but he isn’t a guy I move.
by Charlie Foxtrot on Jul 3, 2011 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Funny how perspectives have changed on Erskine in the last year.
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by Rainbow, Kitty, Beer on Jul 3, 2011 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, it is. I’d love to see him continue up the improvement curve this year.
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Not in any hurry to move Lumberjack. We need his bigness and physicality still, I think. even with all the guys who can hit that we just hired.
Can’t have Hendy as the only guy able to drop the gloves.
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Brouwer will drop them too (just not nearly as often). But I see your point.
by Charlie Foxtrot on Jul 3, 2011 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Erskine is our heaviest fighter. I’d fear for Brouwer’s, Knuble’s, or Hendricks’ safety if he had to answer the bell with a legit fighter like McQuaid or Orr. Erskine I would expect to lose, but not come out with a concussion.
That, and he serves as someone on this team whose fists are worth fearing.
I bet a good number of players around the league have watched his fight of the year scrap. He is a solid player, a good character, a modest cap hit, and the Caps’ heaviest fighter. He is not someone we should lose without serious, serious consideration
that, and we all know how this team goes through defencemen. To have a solid player with grit and experience to fall back upon before turning to the AHL is a benefit which I think the Caps should hold very close
Not to mention the fact that Erskine seems to have the right attitude. He will sit on the bench and not complain, but he will work his tail off to play well enough to stay in the line-up, whether that means he has to fight, block shots, or move his tree trunk legs fast enough that he is absolutely gassed at the end of every shift. It was pretty clear from his comments that he wants a regular 3rd pairing slot. This should push the other D to be sure they are playing well enough to keep him on the bench.
The Erskine love is flowing. Love it.
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I was never an Erskine hater. Sure, his contract is a bit high, but I don’t think you send him off before the season starts, and especially not for a 6th or 7th Rd pick. If you get stuck in terms of salary later in the season, then maybe, but not while other D are on IR, and the Hershey D are barely seasoned to start the season.
Despite a good year, Erskine is still a fringe 6D, as evidenced by the Wideman and Hannan moves last year. GMGM hoped to have a top-6 of Green-Hannan, WIdeman-Schultz, Alzner-Carlson.
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Yeah, hometown favorite as he’s definitely become, he’s not an everyday starter. Love him as 7D, though.
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I don’t mind him as a 7D who can be put in the lineup when the Caps might need a little more toughness. He seems like a good character guy as well.
Armareddon.
I don’t think he’ll ever play because “the Caps might need a little more toughness.” He’ll play due to injury and have an ample opportunity, but against which team would you sacrifice talent for toughness? Who sits? I’d image Schultz because he’s the only guy that you don’t lose a lot of puck handling talent, but he’s still much better than Erskine. I don’t see BB sitting any of his best 6 healthy D for the sake of toughness.
Obviously, this is all speculation.
Meh – if the Caps were in a grudge-match game (think a TB rematch after Downie has done something Downie-ish), I could see BB throwing Erskine in the lineup instead of Schultz.
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GMGM is not going to get rid of semin now
He made this clear when he chose to re-sign Semin during the season.
If Semin’s status this year was going to be in doubt, McPhee would have waited until after the post-season to sign him. He did not. He gave Sasha a deal, and is sticking to him at least until October.
"@twolinepass: doing some vokoun research: his PP sv% was .925, tops among goaltenders who played more than 50 games last year. rinne was 2nd, at .912!!!"
Add this to our fantastic PK from last season…… should be awesome.
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It’ll be nice if we get it, but PKSV% is much more related to luck than ESSV% is.
Obviously, this is all speculation.
Where can you get ESSV% data? From what I’ve gleamed, Vokoun has been at the top of the league in that stat for several years prior to this last season.
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by Rainbow, Kitty, Beer on Jul 3, 2011 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s here for the past season. Vokoun at #44 (on page 2); Neuvirth at #38.
The previous year, Vokoun was #1 among all goalies with 500 or more saves. Varlamov was at #17, smack between Henrik Lundqvist and Vezina-winner Ryan Miller.
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by Gould Old Days on Jul 3, 2011 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Ah, thanks. Well that’s… that’s not very good. He’s 3rd in shorthanded SV% and 5th in powerplay SV% among goalies with more than a couple starts.
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by Rainbow, Kitty, Beer on Jul 3, 2011 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I (heart) Montreal writers. From a piece that should be in Clips tomorrow:
The ink was still wet on Hamrlik’s new contract when GM McPhee and head coach Bruce Boudreau were speaking about pairing him with rushing defenceman Mike Green. Hamrlik said he’ll know more about that come training camp, but for now he’s pleased to no longer have to challenge Alex Ovechkin, the new teammate who’s undressed more defencemen than a pretty puck bunny.
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by EmilyB on Jul 3, 2011 5:25 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
I do not doubt GMGM this offseason, not after the aggressive and crafty moves. BUT it would be really nice to have Alzner & Bowman signed too. I think he has to accept he will have no wiggle room at all at the trade deadline this season. Is there any incentive to moving Poti to LTIR now and accepting the lack of flexibility for whatever cap relief it provides?
What are peoples’ thoughts now on the Laich contract, after seeing the insanity of this Free Agent Frenzy?
Vokoun for $1.5M still staggers me.
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by skyywise on Jul 3, 2011 5:30 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I think Laich’s is still a bit high, but I have no problem with him being here.
by Charlie Foxtrot on Jul 3, 2011 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d take Laich at $4.5 million easily over Leino at $4.5 million or Fleischmann at $4.5 million, or Connolly at more than that.
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by thebreakawaygoal on Jul 3, 2011 5:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah I forgot about Flash. Connolly has more offensive talent than Laich but I’d much rather have Laich on the Caps.
Obviously, this is all speculation.
Laich’s strong words about wanting to stay with the Caps sold me. I know he talks a good game, but he sounded pretty sincere. I thought he had wearied of the DC scene a bit, and was upset by the playoff flameouts, but he knew he’d have options and still chose here. On his terms of course, but he’s a guy who knows what he wants.
However, now that he’s earning a big-boy slalry, I don’t know if I can call him “Brooksie” any more. Brooks it is.
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I’d like to know what concerns he had about the direction of the team.
Obviously, this is all speculation.
Perhaps addressed (or acknowleged) by the new acquisitions.
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Player/coach Brooks Laich.
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is he going to get a bitchin’ suit, like Reggie Dunlop?
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Is there any incentive to moving Poti to LTIR now
No. Our cap is effectively 470M until Opening Night. Lots of stuff to do between now and then, and for all we know, LTIR only applies in-season anyway.
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Thx. I suppose at some point I ought to read the CBA and know this stuff w/o having to only rely on this forum.
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by skyywise on Jul 3, 2011 5:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
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Media Release: #Canucks sign Steven Pinizzotto. #NHL
Sadness!
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I’m not.
>:-(
Okay, maybe a little.
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Gordon – 2 year contract with the Ducks and now being confirmed by capgeek that the second year is a one-way contract.
Good for him
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by Davethecapsfan on Jul 3, 2011 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions
He’ll fit right in.
Obviously, this is all speculation.
by Rob Parker on Jul 3, 2011 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
As expected, another player moving on. I was glad when he re-upped last time on the 2 year contract, but these guys want an opportunity and they see it’s limited with Washington.
And as usual for Leone, Tim Leone already has a piece with quotes from Pinizzotto and this information:
Pinizzotto said he got a contract offer to re-sign with the Washington Capitals and personal appeals from Caps head coach Bruce Boudreau and assistant coach Bob Woods to remain in the organization.
"They reached out to me," Pinizzotto said. "I felt it was time to move on. It was a tough decision. Hopefully, it turns out to be the right one."
Though Pinizzotto got one NHL recall from the Caps, he never played a game for them.
silly question
if poti is capable of playing on opening night, or at some point during the season, are we allowed to have him on LTIR?
Here’s what I could find on the CBA from Fear the Fin:
(d) Bona-Fide Long-Term Injury/Illness Exception to the Upper Limit. In the event that a Player on a Club becomes unfit to play (i.e., is injured, ill or disabled and unable to perform his duties as a hockey Player) such that the Club’s physician believes, in his or her opinion, that the Player, owing to either an injury or an illness, will be unfit to play for at least (i) twenty-four (24) calendar days and (ii) ten (10) NHL Regular Season games, and such Club desires to replace such Player, the Club may add an additional Player or Players to its Active Roster, and the replacement Player Salary and Bonuses of such additional Player(s) may increase the Club’s Averaged Club Salary to an amount up to and exceeding the Upper Limit, solely as, and to the extent and for the duration, set forth below.
Source:
http://www.fearthefin.com/2010/9/18/1697231/hockey-101-long-term-injury
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#bluejackets
Alexandre Giroux 1 an (year) 825 000 AHL 625 000
Good luck Roo.
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He only saw 8 games for the Oilers last year. Here’s hoping he gets more time with the Blue Jackets.
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That’s real serious money for the A. Highest paid?
Don’t try to figure Sasha out. Just ride the wave.
Gotta be right up there. Though of course we haven’t seen CBo’s numbers yet.
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Highest paid on what is technically a 2-way contract, very likely, but there are a handful of big AHL only contracts, do not think they are quite that big but because actual salaries for AHL aren’t released if it’s an AHL only contract, no way to know for sure. And of course, since the cap, we have seen guys playing on one-way NHL contracts making more than that in the AHL…even guys like Sean Collins last season; not just the big names like Redden, Nylander Commodore and Souray, etc.
renhockey:
#capitals Danny Richmond 1 year / 525 000 AHL 175 000
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He’s got Boyd Gordon brows.
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The Baby Pens fans on twitter sound entirely too chipper about this signing.
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Which makes 5 AHL vets and 1 tweener per the AHL rules…the max allowed to dress in any game; can add more to the roster, but when all are healthy just makes things complicated. Never thought much of him when he played in the Carolina and Chicago (Norfolk was affiliate before Rockford) organizations, seemed to have more than what he showed, but lost track of him these last few years when he was in the other conference.
Can you explain that rule?
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It’s an AHL level rule. Does not apply to the goalies. Only relates to roster dressed for a specific game, but most teams try not to carry more than the max on the roster. Again, there is no roster limit, just for game roster game by game.
So there have been times during the season when Hershey has carried more than the 6 based on circumstances, especially if one is injured for awhile or Caps send someone down that was not planned for before the season started.
Of the 18 skaters:
12 have to have played fewer than 260 professional games in the NHL, AHL and elite leagues in Europe (not clear where the cut-off is with the definition of the European leagues to be honest)
1 can have played between 260 and 320
5 can have played more than 320.
Only regular season games played count for this rule.
A team can dress fewer vets, just can’t go over. It’s a development rule, in theory, to give younger players more of an opportunity to dress for games.
Wonder if they’ll adjust those numbers with fewer games in the AHL season.
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They’ve changed the games played number and the number of vets over the years. Doubt they’ll change it, but it’s possible.
Grrr, Why did I type that…here’s the wording from the AHL site under FAQs.
What is the AHL’s development rule?
In the AHL, player development is a top priority. The American Hockey League and the Professional Hockey Players’ Association have the following development rule in place for the 2010-11 season:
Of the 18 skaters (not counting two goaltenders) that teams may dress for a regular-season game, at least 13 must be qualified as “development players.” Of those 13, 12 must have played in 260 or fewer professional games (including AHL, NHL, IHL and European elite leagues), and one must have played in 320 or fewer professional games. All calculations for development status are based on regular-season totals as of the start of the season.
It’d make sense for that rule to change, with the numbers dropping starting next year. But I hope it doesn’t — it’s a rule that doesn’t help an org like Hershey win Calder Cups.
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by Gould Old Days on Jul 4, 2011 8:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Got it. Thanks. You’re right in that it forces this to be a developmental league.
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Would anybody be terribly opposed to locking Alzner up for a mega-length deal (say until he’s 35 or something) for a cap hit of $2 million or something, on sort of a bell-curve salary structure?
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by thebreakawaygoal on Jul 3, 2011 8:12 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Probably Karl Alzner.
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by Knee high to a duck on Jul 3, 2011 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Bad strategy, I think. Alzner may outperform, and be unhappy not being able to capitalize with a new contract. Alzner may underperform and the team would be unhappy with the long-term contract. Other players would be weirded out by a long term contract to a relatively unproven young gun.
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by skyywise on Jul 3, 2011 8:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah. Long contracts make sense for proven elites like Ovechkin or Backstrom, but I could see some eyebrows raised among the team if Alzner gets a 10 year deal.
by Charlie Foxtrot on Jul 3, 2011 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions
We’ll keep him. We just have to be patient. Thank god you’re not a TBL fan freaking out over Stamkos.
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The funniest thing to me this whole offseason has been the transformation of the Flyers. In the past you’ve kind of had a certain air of caution when playing them cause they were known to take your head off when you weren’t aware, but looking at their roster now they are more like the Philly Cream Cheese than the Broad Street Bullies.
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by Area 51 Forever on Jul 3, 2011 10:20 PM EDT reply actions
You’re going to be disappointed when they’re actually a pretty good team
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by Gould Old Days on Jul 4, 2011 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Was getting ready to sign off the computer and this shows up
TSNBobMcKenzie Bob McKenzie
On vacation, but this is big: MIN trades Havlat to SJ for Heatley
Woah, Wow, talk about out of nowhere on a Sunday night
Thought they’ve done pretty good personally. This ain’t ’05 Heatley anymore…
by Charlie Foxtrot on Jul 4, 2011 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Fracking awesome deal for the Sharks
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by Steck It Out on Jul 3, 2011 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Save $2.5M in salary anyway.
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by Rainbow, Kitty, Beer on Jul 3, 2011 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions
So Heatley and Setoguchi for Burns and Havlat – give or take some draft picks.
Interesting.
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the fuck
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by Davethecapsfan on Jul 3, 2011 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Go Sharks! Wild are now my most hated team in hockey. Flyers play the Wild? Go Flyers! Pens play the Wild? Go Pens!
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I hate Heatley so much I’d rather see Jagr and Briere win a Stanley Cup ten thousand times before he wins one.
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Sorry, I misread. I thought the Wild already were your least favorite team, before the trade. I was like jeez…
Nah Heatley is a freaking virus.
by Charlie Foxtrot on Jul 4, 2011 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Really going to miss #needsmorebradley
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by skyywise on Jul 4, 2011 1:04 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
I will too, but Littler Box Cats seems to appreciate him — they’ve posted the video of his “wild ride”
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