2010-11 Rink Wrap: Boyd Gordon
From Alzner to Wideman, we're taking a look at and grading (please read the criteria below) the 2010-11 season for every player who laced 'em up for the Caps for a significant number of games during the campaign, with an eye towards 2011-12. Next up, Boyd Gordon.
Key Stat: Gordon continued to prove himself as an elite faceoff man, winning 58% (417-for-719) of the draws he took in the regular season.
Interesting Stat: Over the course of the season Gordon took 173 faceoffs on the penalty kill. He won 102 of those, which was more than the total number of shorthanded faceoffs taken by any other Cap, Nicklas Backstrom coming in at a distant second with 78 faceoffs taken (and 44 won).
The Good: Always a defensive specialist first, Gordon continued his trend of doing the little things well and focusing on his work on the penalty kill and in his own end. During the regular season he averaged over two minutes a night on the penalty kill, second-highest among all forwards behind only Brooks Laich, and in the postseason that number rose to over three minutes a night (while being on the ice for just one power play goal by the opposition in nine playoff games). Of the 24 goals surrendered by the Caps in the playoffs, Gordon was on the ice for just three, and his 0.70 GAON/60 at even strength was the second-lowest on the team behind only Mike Knuble.
Not surprising considering his shorthanded ice time and defensive sensibility, Gordon started more than half of his shifts in the defensive zone, getting just over 42% of his starts on offense. During the playoffs his offensive-zone starts at even strength dropped to just over 15% (although he finished 36% of his shifts here).
But it was on faceoffs that he truly excelled, something which became all the more important as the Caps shipped David Steckel to New Jersey at the trade deadline. With Steckel's departure Gordon became the designated fourth-line center and faceoff specialist, and by the end of the season Gordon's 719 draws were second only to Nicklas Backstrom's 1300-plus. And while his 58% win percentage during the regular season was impressive (and would put him among the top centermen in the League) he stepped it up in the playoffs, winning an incredible 68.8% of the 112 faceoffs he took during the first two rounds - a mark that still stands as the best in the postseason.
The Bad: While his defensive abilities are notable, it's also worth noting that he had the second-highest GAON/60 on the penalty kill among forwards who averaged at least a minute of shorthanded ice time, and was on the ice for fourteen of the forty-three power play goals given up by the Caps during the season.
With Gordon, however, the big issue is and continues to be health, something which once again put a damper on his regular season performance. Assorted ailments (and a few healthy scratches) caused him to miss 22 games, marking the fourth straight season in which he's failed to crack at least 70 games.
For someone who takes as much abuse as he does, of course, it's not that surprising; what was surprising was the fact that his offense, never his strong suit to begin with, managed to decline further from a year ago. Last season he picked up ten points (4G, 6A), his lowest since earning a regular gig in the NHL but a total that came during a 36-game campaign. This year? Just nine points (3G, 6A) in 60 games...and none in the playoffs.
The Vote: Rate Gordon below on a scale of 1-10 (10 being the best) based on his performance relative to his potential and your expectations for the season - if he had the best season that you could have imagined him having, give him a 10; if he more or less played as you expected he would, give him a 5 or a 6; if he had the worst season you could have imagined him having, give him a 1.
The Discussion: Does the fact that he's been a bargain signing year after year somewhat temper the fact that injuries are a recurring issue for Boyd Gordon? With Steckel's departure, has Gordon solidified himself as the team's fourth-line center for the foreseeable future - and would that be accompanied by a slightly lengthier contract this summer? Or does the team's slew of young, up-and-coming centers in the pipeline mean that Gordon's time with the organization is coming to an end? Finally, what would it take for Gordon to get a '10' from you in 2011-12?
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I was going to vote 4 because even though I didn’t expect much offense out of him I expected more than 9 points.
That said, I didn’t expect to get 60 games out of him (which is saying something), and I was impressed at how he really stepped it up on faceoffs once Steckel was gone. To get a higher rating from me he has to play in the same number of games, or higher, keep up his good work on the draw, and do SOMETHING on offense. I don’t think 15 points is too much to ask for from Gordo.
I am definitely in favor for bringing him back if the price is right – and I believe it will be.
by BradleyFightingVehicle on May 20, 2011 11:14 AM EDT reply actions
Faceoffs and PK alone have him >7. Add what we got for the value. I gave him a 9.
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You didn’t expect Boyd Gordon to be excellent at faceoffs and on the penalty kill?
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by The Ghost of Bebop on May 20, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Not too sure how you gather that from what I said, but…um…I did expect success. I didn’t expect the level of success he did have.
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by nogoodtrying on May 20, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, the instructions are to:
rate Gordon below on a scale of 1-10 (10 being the best) based on his performance relative to his potential and your expectations for the season
If you expected him to do well on the PK and on faceoffs, then I don’t understand why you’re giving him a 9. Was this season really one of the best seasons you could imagine Gordon having? I’d give this season a 6, maybe even a 7 if I’m generous. For me, a 9 or a 10 would be significantly increased offensive contributions from the 4th line, 60%+ on faceoffs, and continued PK success.
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by The Ghost of Bebop on May 20, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
AND not missing significant time due to injury.
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by The Ghost of Bebop on May 20, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
I believe I just said:
“I did expect success. I didn’t expect the level of success he did have.”
That was a change of expectations. So I rated him accordingly.
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by nogoodtrying on May 20, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
And yes, it is one of the best I could imagine him having. Maybe your expectations for a grinder are too high.
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by nogoodtrying on May 20, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Finally, and sorry to lay this on but I should have thought it through…he almost exactly meets your criteria for having had a “significantly increased offensive” contribution:
And while his 58% win percentage during the regular season was impressive (and would put him among the top centermen in the League) he stepped it up in the playoffs, winning an incredible 68.8% of the 112 faceoffs he took during the first two rounds – a mark that still stands as the best in the postseason.
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by nogoodtrying on May 20, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t see how anything you quoted is related to offensive production.
Yes, I think Boyd Gordon’s potential is higher than what he exhibited this season. I can’t say that any player who only played 60 games has had one of the best seasons he could possible have.
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by The Ghost of Bebop on May 20, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
I can. Maybe it’s because I was lower on Gordon before, but I didn’t expect him to suppress shots so well despite playing against 1st/2nd line competition. Even though he got hurt during the regular season, he didn’t after the team traded Steckel, IIRC, or at least not in the postseason. I voted 7.
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by red army line on May 20, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s fair. I’m waffling between a 6 and 7, personally, but I’m leaning toward 6. I’d really like to see him play more than 3/4 of the season.
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by The Ghost of Bebop on May 20, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Somewhere between a 5 and a 6
He met my expectations; killed penalties well, did great on face-offs and was solid as a fourth-liner. I’m leaning towards raising his score a bit because of how much he improved once Steckel was traded. He got even better at face-offs, took a somewhat bigger PKing role and he was pinned with so many defensive zone draws in the playoffs. However, his offensive production was lower than I thought it would be, not that I expected it to be that high anyway. I also remember him having a rough February so that’s bringing my vote down a little bit.
I’d like to have him back at the same cost although $800 might be a little too high for someone who kills penalties but his face-off abilities make him somewhat valuable. Guess it depends if we can find another fourth liner with the same assets as him for the league minimum.
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The offensive drop-off doesn’t bother me a lot, because that is mainly extra to me. I think Gordo was a huge help on the PK – which is where he needs to shine. His faceoff ability is still worth keeping him for, IMO. I don’t think I’d go much over $800K, because all he really brings is a 4th line center with excellent faceoff ability and good defense.
I could see him being replaced in the near future, but only if Beagle can step his game up. Until then, $800K is a good price for someone who brings what he does.
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I’m either going 6 or 7. I’m surprised his back held up so well, I thought he played pretty well all year. But I can’t say it was too much more than what I expected. The health is the biggest thing pushing him above the 5/6.
I think he can be the 4C for another year or two, but unless he wants to take a bargain deal I doubt he gets more than 2 years. We have Cs coming, but none of his variety. Beagle isn’t ready to be that guy, and Kuz/Eakin aren’t going to be the shut down variety. To get a ten he has to put together a year that looks like he’s Manny Malhotra.
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Just asking the group because the health thing got me thinking: is that the reason for so many 6s and 7s? I mean coming from 36 to 60 GP is nice, but isn’t 60 GP a little unsatisfactory if/when your 4C gets reupped?
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by Bald Pollack on May 20, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
I think it probably is. And usually I don’t want to let injuries impact my scores too much, but I really didn’t expect Gordon to play 60.
And yeah, that 60 is impressive is definitely a sign of a problem. We’re going to need someone else to rely on for Boyd. And that means that even on a bargain contract, you have to consider the contract that we’ll need to carry to replace him for 1/4 or more of the season.
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Fair enough. I think my Fehr grade was in part due to his health, so there’s that.
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by Bald Pollack on May 20, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
The health was a pleasant surprise for me as well. I am hoping that the fact that he missed most of his games this season for a staph infection in his foot, rather than the typical back issues, bodes well for the future – but I’m not holding my breath.
For me Gordo did exactly what I expected him to do, with the one exception that he scored even less than the marginal expectations I had for that. He made up for that by actually appearing in 60 games, however.
by BradleyFightingVehicle on May 20, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
For me, yes. I know which players are prone to injury, and like I said in the Fehr post yesterday, I expected Fehr to stay healthier…it didn’t happen, though. With Gordon, I also expected him to stay healthier, and for the most part he did.
by redpezrocket on May 20, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Eakin might evolve into a shut down center, actually. His defensive play has been getting a lot of notice in the Dub playoffs. His first game in the Memorial Cup is tomorrow at seven, and will be broadcast live on NHL Network, so y’allz can look for yourselves.
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I gave him a 7. He took on a bigger role this year with tougher competition and less ozone starts, but was able to improve his dzone faceoff percentage and generally play even hockey while out there. The fact that he did it consistently for 60 games was great to see.
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4, maybe too low
Perhaps a 5, the low side of expectations, might have been more appropriate. On the one hand, his offensive contributions were downright putrid. But his defensive play and faceoffs, particularly down the stretch, were very good. Of course, I expect that from BG, so I can’t really say he was much above expectations in that regard. So I have convinced myself while typing this, 4 was the correct vote :-)
The Discussion: Does the fact that he’s been a bargain signing year after year somewhat temper the fact that injuries are a recurring issue for Boyd Gordon? With Steckel’s departure, has Gordon solidified himself as the team’s fourth-line center for the foreseeable future – and would that be accompanied by a slightly lengthier contract this summer? Or does the team’s slew of young, up-and-coming centers in the pipeline mean that Gordon’s time with the organization is coming to an end? Finally, what would it take for Gordon to get a ‘10’ from you in 2011-12?
I think he is defintely pretty solidly locked in as the 4C, mainly because his faceoffs are so strong. But I doubt the caps will go long term on his contract, nor do I think they should. They can find another strong faceoff guy who is probably better at staying in the lineup and chipping in a bit more offense without much trouble in free-agency.
To earn a 10 next year, he needs to add offense and health to his strong D play and faceoffs. Say, 8+ goals, 20+ pts, and 70+ games.
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I expected the injuries and good defense. He outdid my expectations for faceoffs, but fell short offensively.
For a 5.5 next year: this year, repeated.
For a 10: 63% or better on faceoffs, GAON/60 under 4 for the PK, and 18+ points
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I feel I got what I expected. If he is back next year and takes a lion’s share of the def zone faceoffs I will give him a 20.
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I had him at 61 games, 5-13-18, +8
He finished at 60 games, 3-6-9, minus-5
The offense projection was perhaps more hope than expectation, but still…nine points from a former first round pick in his seventh year with the club. But he is among the better defensive forwards in the league, and that’s a way he has, if not remade his game, then at least used that ability to stick around. He is what he is, an offense-challenged forward who does a lot of little things pretty well that do not show up in the score sheet. The Caps were 38-22 in games he played, 10-12 in games he didn’t. But if the Caps really do need to get a little more from the last two forward lines to carry a player with this skill set, who does not contribute much on offense.
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But if the Caps really do need to get a little more from the last two forward lines to carry a player with this skill set, who does not contribute much on offense
Agree completely. The lack of pretty much any offense from the third and fourth lines is killer and certainly played a part in the early playoff exit.
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About what I expected. Solid defensive play, good on the dot, not much offense, injuries costing him a bunch of games.
A solid player and has a role on the 4th line/PK/face off must-win situation. I hope the Caps can find some room to bring him back. I can’t imagine after this season he’s going to suddenly jump to something over $3M.
To get a 10, well, he’d have to keep doing what he does defensively and get the goal total to 10 as well. Not a likely story, but he’s got a good shot, he just needs to bring it out more.
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4. The problem Boyd Gordon points to is the lack of offensive depth on what is still regarded by many as a very offensively gifted team. Whether you look at box cars or offensive GVT, this team does not have enough depth of firepower on it’s roster, and so marginal NHLers like Gordon, Brads, Chimmer, MP, Hendricks, Stecks before the trade all end up getting meaningful minutes and contributing almost nothing. For the overwhelming majority of the season, MarJo contributed no offense either. I’m down with the TOI investment in MarJo for development and lack of better options reasons, but you simply can’t carry that many pop guns and expect good odds to win it all. What this year exposed was just how top heavy our roster is, and while you can win in the NBA with a couple stars and bunch of guys one step removed from the D league, in hockey you need a lot more depth than that b/c no 5 guys can skate 45 minutes a night.
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Got what was expected from him in terms of offensive production (~10 pts) and penalty killing. Above-expected performance in the faceoff dot, particularly with the departure of Steckel, gets him the bump from five to six.
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Despite the lack of offense (and consistent health), Boyd acquitted himself well in his role. He’s a good 4C and I can see him getting a slight raise to stay on with us. I’m not sure what sort of offers he will field from other teams, but I expect that at least one team to come knocking. Beagle offers similar skills, at a discount, so we’ll see.
As with F-16, I’d love to see this guy stay healthy and out of the doghouse for a full year should he re-sign with us. As with F-16, I don’t expect either to happen.
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Why do you think he’s a good 4C?
If you look at good teams around the league, I don’t think he makes the cut as a “good 4C.”
I expect a 4C to be win a majority of his faceoffs, be good on defense, good on the PK. All these qualities Boyd possesses.
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He certainly does make the cut as a good 4C. He wins a solid majority of his faceoffs, he plays defense well, and he generally does all the little stuff right. The only thing holding him back is health issues.
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eh, you guys either massively over-rate faceoffs or underrate the quality of 4Cs around the league.
Just looking at some of the teams that played deep in the playoffs:
Boston has at least 5 better Cs.
TB and Det have at least 4 better, and a fifths who are debatable
SJ has 3 better and then it’s debatable.
Vancouver only plays 3 centers, so maybe he’d be good enough for 4th for them.
He’s not a “good 4C.” He’s a guy with one true skill that keeps him out of the minors. We should stop settling for such non production from the bottom 6.
I’m probably talking to myself at this point, but I’m getting something out of this exercise. Other teams:
Pit – I’d take their top 5, maybe 6 centers over Boyd (Sid, Geno, Jordan, Kennedy, Letestu for sure)
Rags – Again, at least 5 centers better than Boyd
Kings – 4 better than Boyd.
Hawks – only play 3, but I’ll take Ryan Johnson as a FO specialist over Boyd
Anyway, time for bed, but Boyd’s really not a good 4C. He’s roster filler.
You forgot Philly’s pivots, all of whom are better than Boyd. But you’re also skewing the conversation by including guys who are 1C’s and 2C’s. Not a fair comparison, imo. And you fail to account for salary: Perhaps Chris Drury’s a better 4C than Boyd, but are you willing to shell out 7M for that production?
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by bigonetimer on May 21, 2011 8:29 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I’m not sure what you mean by “skewing.” If someone’s a good 4C, then I’d want him ahead of someone else’s 4 or better 3C. I’m just counting up how many centers other teams have that I’d want ahead of gordo.
btw, the 5 rags I had didn’t include Drury, whom I wouldn’t want. Dubinsky, Stepan, AA, BB, and Christensen. That’s 5. They also have Prospal and Drury, but I wasn’t counting them ahead of Gordo.
Re PHI, I think gordo’s better than Betts, so there’s one in the W column for him.
Christensen is totally unreliable and Dubinsky isn’t really a C under Torts.
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by Rob Parker on May 21, 2011 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
So, Boyd is good enough to be a 4C on the top two teams in the eastern conference, and apparently, the two remaining teams in this year’s West.
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by bigonetimer on May 22, 2011 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
More fun with how bad Boyd’s season was:
Last 2 seasons, # of Centers with a season of 60+ GP, 750 TOI, and </= 3 Goals: 12. 3 played on playoff teams (Gordo, Laperriere on last yrs PHI, Trevor Lewis on this years LAK).
Last 2 seasons, # of centers with a season > 3 goals: 315 (counting player-seasons)
I can’t another center who’s got < 28 goals and 5000 minutes like Gordo
Much more likely is that you are underrating Gordon. He wouldn’t be the best 4C for every team, but he fits the niche the Caps need very well. He is a faceoff/defensive/PK specialist who can take the defensive zone time for the Caps in order to free up the more skilled lines. The way the Caps use their 4th line is more like how many teams use their 3rd line – as an energy/defensive line. Gordon is a major part of the reason they can do that.
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by timmyv38 on May 20, 2011 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That’s just hometown fanboyism. “He fits a niche.” To pick a couple examples, Kennedy and Letestu are better than anyone we played at 2C all season until Arnott arrived.
Gordo is part of the problem, not part of the solution. I’d prefer my defensive specialists be, you know, great defenders, not just former #1s with no O.
No, it’s called using facts and stats. All the stats show Gordon as a solid defensive center – and that’s what the Caps need on their 4th line. In the Caps scheme, he is a much better 4C than either Kennedy or Letestu. He is also a better PK center than either of them, in any scheme. He fits the need the Caps have. Personally, I think the Caps should get a 3C who has a similar defensive and faceoff ability to Gordon – but with a better offense, like 10-15 goals/year.
When you look at the problems the 1st line was having this season, a significant factor was all the d-zone draws they were getting. That was due to the lack of a good faceoff center on the 2nd or 3rd. Without a faceoff specialist like Gordon or Steckel on the 4th, that problem would have been even worse. That’s the value Gordon brings – and all for $800K. Perfect? No. Worth the cost and roster slot? Absolutely.
As for Letestu and Kennedy being better than any of the Caps 2C’s prior to Arnott – that means nothing. The Caps had a winger and an AHLer there.
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by TheMattyHatty on May 21, 2011 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hilarity ensued. “In the Caps scheme, he’s a much better 4C than either Kennedy or Letestu.” Let’s look at some stats!
Take GVT as one measure. The difference b/t Letestu and Boyd Gordon is larger than the difference between Gordo and the second least valuable F in all of hockey last year. And Kennedy was 70% better than Letestu. The difference b/t Kennedy and Gordo is the difference between Gordo and a 3rd liner in the AHL.
Ah, but you say “all the stats” point to defensive prowess and PK ability.
So let’s check that. Well, the recap above points out the GAON/60 4v5. How about another stat. I dunno, CorsiRelQoC. For all C’s playing at least 1:30 4v5, and 40+ GP, Gordo ranks 74 out of 90. That’s awful. Now that’s not a perfect stat, but the top 12 on that list is chock full of no bullshit great defenders.
Just b/c BB plays him a ton 4v5 doesn’t mean he’s actually any good at it. Look no further than Tom Poti a year ago for confirmation that Boudreau has some strange ideas of effective penalty killers.
Nice work. Like usual, you conveniently ignore all the other stats that show how good he is defensively. Stuff like:
Of the 24 goals surrendered by the Caps in the playoffs, Gordon was on the ice for just three, and his 0.70 GAON/60 at even strength was the second-lowest on the team behind only Mike Knuble.
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in the postseason that number rose to over three minutes a night (while being on the ice for just one power play goal by the opposition in nine playoff games)
and that was while
During the playoffs his offensive-zone starts at even strength dropped to just over 15% (although he finished 36% of his shifts here).
Gordon is never going to have great stats due to how he is used. He does what he needs to, which is win faceoffs, play defense, and PK well. You can cherry pick stats all you want, but the facts are obvious.
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Is that in 4v5 Corsi Rel QoC? Or is that cross-indexed to 5v5 Corsi Rel QoC?
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by Knee high to a duck on May 23, 2011 2:13 AM EDT up reply actions
I’d say that’s more a function of how Bruce rolls than Boyd’s defense, even setting aside the SSS issues.
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by Knee high to a duck on May 23, 2011 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions
All the 4v5 numbers are calculated using only 4v5 data, so the sample size is much smaller than the ES data. Further, Likens and Awad have found that shot quality matters more than it does at ES, so Corsi Rel and the qcomp measures that are based on it are even less powerful than their sample size suggests.
Anyway, to a great degree, Bruce gets to pick who goes out on the ice during 4v5 – his Qualcomp has has much to do with how Bruce choses to deploy him as anything else. I can get down with the idea that he’s not a great PKer, but that’s not where I’d build my case.
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by Knee high to a duck on May 24, 2011 6:06 AM EDT up reply actions
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Honestly, I expected him to miss way more games. And his PK was great.
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After the previous season I was concerned he would totally throw his back out and be sidelined a lot. He didn’t and he wasn’t, and when he played I thought he performed his role very well. I feel confident when he’s out there on the PK. There were times when he took or delivered a hit and I wondered if that would be the reinjury to the back. He’s pretty cheap, too.
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Regular season score: 5
Playoff score: 7 (I thought he was really great in the playoffs this year)
Regular season may mean Nixon, but I’m going to average them and give him a 6.
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by Gould Old Days on May 20, 2011 10:09 PM EDT reply actions
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I expected him to be a solid 4th line center and do well at faceoffs. A little more offensive contribution would push him up a slot or two, a little better on the PK performance would also help. Next year, for about $800 K, with a point total in the teens-20 range while retaining the faceoff prowess and solidifying the play on the PK even more would get him up in the 10 range.



































