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Do Coaching Changes Really Make a Difference?


At the end of last Saturday’s Japer’s Rink Radio, Pepper said that he hoped Bruce would be fired if for no other reason than it would give him hope for next season. And that got me to wondering, how much hope does a coaching change really offer?

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Like many, my first reaction after the sweep was that Boudreau had to go. Then I began to waffle when I considered the alternatives to Bruce. My primary question was whether a new coach would be able to push the Caps to the next level. Since there’s no way to actually know the answer to that question, I decided to look back at coaching changes throughout the league and see what kind of success new coaches actually brought to the club hiring them. Before I get into the results, a couple of explanations are in order. First, I only looked back ten seasons starting with the 2000-01 seasons. It seemed like a nice round number and it was pre and post-lockout. Secondly, I only looked at coaches hired during that period, so a coach like Curt Fraser in Atlanta who was hired in 1999 and coached to 2002 wouldn’t count in my data base (although I included him in the chart as a point of reference), but Don Hay in Calgary who was hired in 2000 for the ’00-’01 season would. Finally, since any replacement for Boudreau would start at the beginning of the season, I only counted the first full season of a new coach. For example, when you see Dan Bylsma’s  listing, those numbers don’t apply to his Stanley Cup winning year but to the following season. I know it’s not perfect, but it was getting too complicated otherwise. One other note, there were a lot of numbers I had to crunch, so there are probably going to be some mistakes. I tried to double and triple-check everything, but if you find a mistake, I apologize in advance. Other than that, everything else is pretty straight forward.

 

So let’s get to the results. The chart below shows the listing of every coach hired starting from the 2000-01 season. Here are the key points that the numbers reveal:

 

·         For the ten seasons starting in 2000-01, there have been 95 new coaches hired in the NHL.

·         Of those 95 coaches, 52 teams they coached DID NOT make the playoffs in their first full year on the job.

·         23 of the teams with a new coach lost in the first round.

·         10 teams lost in the second round.

·         6 out of the 95 teams with first year coaches made it to the Conference Finals before losing.

·         3 teams made it to the Stanley Cup Finals before losing. (Remember, this wouldn’t include Peter Laviolette when the Flyers made it to the Finals last year because it wasn’t his first full season)

·         Only 1 team under a first-year coach actually won the Cup, Pat Burns with the Devils in 2003.

 

So basically, based on the historical numbers, if you’re the Caps and you’re making a change because you want to at least get to the Finals, you have about a 4% chance of achieving that goal with a new coach. More to the point, the numbers suggest that if you’re an elite team (a team with 100 or more points in the standings) and you make a coaching change, be prepared for disappointment:

 

·         Of the 15 teams with 100 or more points that made a change, only four actually earned more standing points the following season under the new coach.

·         2 of those 15 teams didn’t make the playoffs under their new coach.

·         12 of the 15 lost in the first or second round.

·         1 made it to the Stanley Cup Finals

·         No team that had 100 or more points won a Cup the season after they made a coaching change.

 

So what does this all mean? Well, you can still catch lightning in a bottle like Darryl Sutter did in Calgary in ’04 or Guy Boucher has done In Tampa this season. Or you could hit the jackpot like Pat Burns did in NJ. And again, these numbers don’t include Bylsma’s win in Pittsburgh. But, by and large, the data indicates that changing coaches isn’t the panacea that many fans believe it will be. In fact, if you believe the numbers, more often than not, teams show little if any progress under a new coach, at least not in their first season. And really, at least here in Washington, isn’t winning next year what we’re really after? I know many still want Boudreau gone, but if he isn’t fired, the numbers show that it may not be the worst decision McPhee has made.

 

 

Team

New Coach

(First Season)

Point Total End of Preceding Year

Point Total End of First Full Year

Anaheim

Guy Charron (00-01)

83

66 (no playoffs)

 

Bryan Murray (01-02)

66

69 (no playoffs)

 

Mike Babcock (02-04)

69

95 (SC Finals)

 

Randy Carlyle (05-present)

76

98 (Conference Finals)

Atlanta

Curt Fraser (99-02)

n/a

n/a

 

Bob Hartley (02-03)

54

74 (no playoffs)

 

John Anderson (08-10)

76

76 (no playoffs)

 

Craig Ramsey (10-present)

76

83 (no playoffs)

Boston

Mike Keenan (00-01)

73

88 (no playoffs)

 

Robbie Ftorek (01-03)

88

101 (first round)

 

Mike Sullivan (03-06)

87

104 (first round)

 

Dave Lewis (06-07)

74

76 (no playoffs)

 

Claude Julien (07-present)

76

94 (first round)

Buffalo

Lindy Ruff ('97-present)    

 

Calgary

Don Hay (00-01)

77

73 (no playoffs)

 

Greg Gilbert (01-03)

73

79 (no playoffs)

 

Darryl Sutter (03-06)

75

94 (SC Finals)

 

Jim Playfair (06-07)

103

96 (first round)

 

Mike Keenan (07-09)

96

94 (first round)

 

Brent Sutter (09-Present)

98

90 (no playoffs)

Carolina

Paul Maurice (97-03)

n/a

n/a

 

Peter Laviolette (03-08)

61

76 (no playoffs)

 

Paul Maurice (08-present)

88

97 (conference finals)

Columbus

Dave King (00-03)

n/a

n/a

 

Doug MacLean (03-04)

69

62 (no playoffs)

 

Gerard Gallant (05-06)

62

74 (no playoffs)

 

Ken Hitchcock (06-10)

74

73 (no playoffs)

 

Claude Noel (10-fired)

79

81 (no playoffs)

Chicago

Alpho Shonen (00-01 fired mid-season)

78

71 (no playoffs)

 

Brian Sutter (01-04)

71

96 (first round)

 

Trent Yawney ((05-06)

59

65 (no playoffs)

 

Denis Savard (06-08)

65

71 (no playoffs)

 

Joel Quennville (08-present)

88

104 (Conference Finals)

Colorado

Bob Hartley (98-02)

n/a

n/a

 

Tony Granato (02-04)

99

105 (first round)

 

Joel Quennville (05-08)

100

95 (second round)

 

Tony Granato (08-09)

95

69 (no playoffs)

 

Joe Sacco (09-10)

69

95 (first round)

Dallas

Ken Hitchcock(96-02)

n/a

n/a

 

Dave Tippet (02-09

90

111 (second round)

 

Marc Crawford (09-11)

83

88 (no playoffs)

Detroit

Scotty Bowman (98-02)

n/a

n/a

 

Dave Lewis (02-04)

116

110 (first round)

 

Mike Babcock (05-

109

124 (first round)

Edmonton

Craig MacTavish (00-09)

88

93 (first round)

 

Pat Quinn (09-10)

85

62 (no playoffs)

 

Tom Renney (10-11)

62

62 (no playoffs)

Florida

Duane Sutter (00-01)

98

66 (no playoffs)

 

Mike Keenan (01-03)

66

60 (no playoffs)

 

Rick Dudley (03-04)

70

75 (no playoffs)

 

Jacques Martin (05-08)

75

85 (no playoffs)

 

Peter DeBoer (08-11)

85

93 (no playoffs)

Los Angeles

Andy Murray (99-06)

n/a

n/a

 

Marc Crawford (06-08)

89

68 (no playoffs)

 

Terry Murray (08-Present)

71

79 (no playoffs)

Minnesota

Jacques Lemaire (00-09)

n/a

n/a

 

Todd Richards (09-11)

89

84 (no playoffs)

Montreal

Michel Therrien (00-03)

83

70 (no playoffs)

 

Claude Julien (03-06)

77

93 (second round)

 

Guy Cabonneau (06-09)

93

90 (no playoffs)

 

Jacques Martin (09-present)

93

88 (Conference Finals)

Nashville

Barry Trotz (98-present)

n/a

n/a

New Jersey

Larry Robinson (00-02)

103

111 (SC Finals)

 

Pat Burns (02-05

95

108 (won SC Finals)

 

Claude Julien (06-07)

101

107 (second round)

 

Brent Sutter (07-09)

107

99 (first round)

 

Jacques Lemaire (09-10)

106

103 (first round)

 

John MacLean (10-11)

103

81 (no playoffs)

NY Islanders

Burch Goring (99-01)

n/a

n/a

 

Peter Laviolette (01-03)

52

96 (first round)

 

Steve Stirling (03-06)

83

91 (first round)

 

Ted Nolan (06-07)

78

92 (first round)

 

Scott Gordon (08-10)

79

61 (no playoffs)

NY Rangers

Ron Low (00-02)

73

72 (no playoffs)

 

Bryan Trottier (02-03)

80

78 (no playoffs)

 

Glen Sather (03-04)

78

69 (no playoffs)

 

Tom Renney (04-09)

69

100 (first round)

 

John Tortorella (09-present)

95

87 (no playoffs)

Ottawa

Jacques Martin (96-04)

n/a

n/a

 

Bryan Murray (05-07)

102

113 (second round)

 

John  Paddock (07-08)

105

94 (first round)

 

Craig Hartsburg (08-09)

94

83 (no playoffs)

 

Cory Clouston (09-11)

83

94 (first round)

Philadelphia

Bill Barber (00-02)

105

100 (first round)

 

Ken Hitchcock (02-06)

97

107 (second round)

 

John Stevens (06-09)

101

56 (no playoffs)

 

Peter Laviolette (09-present)

99

88 (second round)

Pittsburgh

Ivan Hlinka (00-01)

88

96 (conference finals)

 

Rick Kehoe (01-03)

96

69 (no playoffs)

 

Ed Olczyk (03-05)

65

58 (no playoffs)

 

Michel Therrien (05-09)

58

58 (no playoffs)

 

Dan Bylsma (09-present)

102

101 (second round)

Phoenix

Bob Francis (99-04)

n/a

n/a

 

Wayne Gretzky (05-09)

68

81 (no playoffs)

 

Dave Tippett (09-present)

79

107 (first round)

San Jose

Darryl Sutter (97-02)

n/a

n/a

 

Ron Wilson (02-08)

99

73 (no playoffs)

 

Todd McLellan (08-present)

108

117 (first round)

St. Louis

Joel Quennville (97-04)

n/a

n/a

 

Mike Kitchen (05-06)

91

57 (no playoffs)

 

Andy Murray (06-10)

57

81 (no playoffs)

 

Davis Payne (10-present)

90

87 (no playoffs)

Tampa

Steve Ludzik (99-01)

n/a

n/a

 

John Tortorella (01-08)

59

69 (no playoffs)

 

Rich Tocchet (08-10)

71

66 (no playoffs)

 

Guy Boucher (10-present)

80

103 (Conference Finals*)

Toronto

Pat Quinn (98-06)

n/a

n/a

 

Paul Maurice (06-08)

90

91 (no playoffs)

 

Ron Wilson (08-present)

83

81 (no playoffs)

Vancouver

Marc Crawford (99-06)

n/a

n/a

 

Alain Vigneault (06-present)

92

105 (second round)

Washington

Ron Wilson (97-02)

n/a

n/a

 

Bruce Cassidy (02-03)

85

92 (first round)

 

Glen Hanlon (03-07)

92

59 (no playoffs)

 

Bruce Boudreau (07-present)

70

108 (second round))

 

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Well another great post. I too was thinking BB should go, just for the PP. But when I thought about a replacement, no one pops up other than Ted Nolan. I do think BB gets the most out of the players and Nolan would as well, but neither of them can CHANGE the players.

Winning is everything. The only ones who remember you when you come second are your wife and your dog.

by Racin23 on May 11, 2011 12:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Didn’t bylsma win the cup his first year? Oh first FULL year? I guess he only coached for less than a third of the season, but that was a really remarkable turnaround, those 25 games.

Suspend Colin Campbell!

by snowburnt on May 11, 2011 12:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Here’s a flipside factoid:

Only three coaches in the past 75 years (Adams, Arbour, Sather) have gone on to eventually win a Cup after being with a team as long as Boudreau heading into next post-season. Each of them had progressed further in the playoffs earlier on.

I cut him slack on his first few teams because the D was insufficient but judging from the past two seasons I can’t argue that this team is progressing significantly enough. The December system change didn’t go far enough and seemed to lack sufficient comprehensiveness. Not an easy thing to do mid-season but, then again, maybe such changes were due in the pre-season after the Montreal loss.

The front office must formulate a concept of what’s currently lacking or else there’s a decent chance any changes are just for the sake of it.

by Langway on May 11, 2011 12:35 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Meh

gonna go with the stats and trends can lie. Relative rookie hockey fan but were those guys pre-lockout?

I’d like to think that some Coaches are a tweak away from winning the cup, but Boudreau’s issues seem to lie with his personality and style rather than a system tweak. Guys don’t seem driven by him and some seem to be absolutely turned off by him

Suspend Colin Campbell!

by snowburnt on May 11, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yup:

- Glen Sather (1984)
- Al Arbour (1980)
- Jack Adams (1936)

by Langway on May 11, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

All three were significantly younger as well (40, 47 & 40 respectively) when finally breaking through.

by Langway on May 11, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Al Arbour won 4 of the next 5 though, but that’s not saying the GM didn’t make other tough decisions. He traded two popular players for Goring and his hilarious helmet, so maybe what’s necessary is moving someone for some jerk like Jeff Carter, I dunno. Completely hypothetical, but if keeping Boudreau and trading Brads/Backs meant winning 4 cups, I’d take it in a heartbeat.

"Don't mind WM...he's an all-around jerk."

by Whiter Mage on May 14, 2011 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

If you want post-lockout guys, Babcock was the only guy to win a Cup past his second year of service with the team, doing it in his 3rd with the Wings. The other guys (Laviolette, Bylsma, Quenneville) won it by the end of their first full season at the latest.

"My favorite fan base in D.C. Is United's. Period. The end." - Steinberg

by Bald Pollack on May 11, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

So you’re saying we should bet on Tampa Bay?

by Langway on May 11, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry BB

This is an impressive arrangement of facts. I’m sorry, but as a GM, I would not consider statistics like that if I were considering a coaching change.
I would take a hard look at the players, and if they lost respect for the coach for any reason. Do the players respond to the coach or listen.
I would study the coaches X’s and 0’s to see if they make sense.
Do I feel like my coach was out-coached by the opponent.
I would take a real honest look at my players and determine if the talent is capable of winning any more games with a different coach. In other words, are the players underachieving.
Is my communication as a GM impeccable with the coach.
Do we share the same idea of a "system".
Has the coach been given a fair opportunity
Of the seven criteria I came up with, I would say that our coach fails five of the six.
Respect – I don’t think the players respond very well or listen to the coach. That’s a hard one, but it’s just my perception.
X’s and 0’s – we had trouble overcoming opposing teams systems, our power play was bad, and our breakouts were not great.
Out-coached – I think we were out coached badly in the playoffs.
Underachieving – I think we underachieved in the playoffs.
Communication between the coach and GM appears good to me
I would think the coach and the GM works out the system well before it’s implemented (I hope)
BB has had a good opportunity
Yes, I think it’s time for a change…. Sorry coach

"Statistics are like a drunk with a lamppost: used more for support than illumination" Sir Winston Churchill

by GOTEAM on May 11, 2011 3:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Lots of fair things here…but hockey is a sport defined by statistics, and this is a collection of them. Baseball is almost entirely played by percentages, if you watch that. I’m not entirely a stat guy, because I’m in favor of letting BB go* based on what I saw and the stats I see, specifically in terms of coaches post-lockout.

  • I’m interested in letting him go if there’s an interesting coach that hits market. Nolan has a slightly better track record than Glen Hanlon, so he’s out. If someone like Quenneville or Lavs/Torts hit market(and they won’t) I’d be more in favor of it, but I’d rather not make a downgrade just to make a change, even if a change is needed. In other words, I’m not going to trade Semin for Havelid just because Semin is struggling.

"Don't mind WM...he's an all-around jerk."

by Whiter Mage on May 14, 2011 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m probably gonna take a not very popular stance here on BB. I really don’t want to see him go.

I still remember when the Caps were terrible. They were boring, and it was painful to watch them lose 80% of their games. Even though they worked terribly hard, they just weren’t any good, and that took a lot of the fun out of watching.

While I would love to see the Caps hoist a Cup, and I know that that is the ultimate goal, I happen to enjoy watching hockey. And I enjoy watching my team win. To me, enjoying 5 months of regular season winning hockey is actually more important to me than that Cup.

For me, hockey is entertainment, an escape from the humdrum and frustrations of life. The last couple of hockey seasons have been a joy to watch, even if they haven’t had the best of endings, and I really wouldn’t like to see BB fired and take a chance that they would step backwards in their winning ways.

by HateOffSeason on May 11, 2011 9:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Great work, b.orr4. I’m still in favor of firing BB, but this is certainly something to consider. Between the two stats cited in this FP and the comments, how do we have any hope for next year? If we fire the coach we don’t have a good shot. If we don’t fire the coach we don’t have a good shot.

At the end of the day I see persistent problems that are the coach’s responsibilities and they haven’t been addressed. Maybe next year we won’t win (probably won’t), but a new coach could start breaking bad habits and lay the foundation to go forward. I’m afraid that every year with BB from here on out is going to be spinning our wheels.

A kitten on fire, a baby in a blender, both sound as sweet as Caps playoff surrender.

by Rob Parker on May 11, 2011 10:09 PM EDT reply actions  

I understand your point and it is a bit of a conundrum. The stat that really caught me by surprise was how badly elite teams do the year after they fire a coach. If you’re in favor of letting Boudreau go, then you have to be prepared to bite the bullet next season and hope that the new coach can help the team make the leap the year after that. The problem then is that in a salary-capped world, how much of this current roster will still be around two seasons from now? It really is a case of the devil known vs the devil unknown.

by b.orr4 on May 11, 2011 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m in agreement with K_C. A new coach may not be a quick fix for the Caps flaws, but since BB has been with this team for three plus seasons, including four playoff runs, his body of work doesn’t indicate that he would fix them, either. To my mind, it’s conceivable that his coaching style has permitted this team to develop this identity, including this (well discussed) list of flaws.

I’m hearing the voice of my high school football coach. His line was “don’t repeat a mistake, learn to make some new ones.”

Don’t make fun of my obsession over ketchup dispensers ever again! ;) Ted Leonsis

by miseenjeu on May 13, 2011 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really surprising (tiny sample) stat from this: every team that had 107 points or more and made a coaching change had a better regular season the next year… and lost in the first round.

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by J.P. on May 12, 2011 6:48 AM EDT reply actions  

Coaches have three primary responsibilites in hockey:

Teaching – getting the players to learn what they want them to do, explaining the system so that the players know their responsibilites on the ice and what is expected in situations. Not just teaching the players what their responsibilities are, but what the other players’ responsibilities are, so players know what to expect of their teammates.

Strategy – Managing the game, the situation, the players during a game. Do I need to make a goalie change, who sits tomorrow night in game 2 of a back to back, what are the line combinations, who starts the game, who’s on the power play…

Motivation – Getting the team emotionally and psychologically ready for battle. Ideally you want players who will run through walls, but you can’t have that every game or they burn out by November…

Every coach has to be good at doing these things to some degree, but each coach has their talents in different levels for each of these:

Bruce Boudreau is very strong in the teaching area to be sure. Players come up, they learn, and they contribute. The guy knows how to let each guy know what to do, and let each guy know what is expected of their teammates. His game strategy is not bad… he’s not great since sometimes situations get the better of him, but still and all, for the most part he manages the game pretty well. As far as motivation goes, I don’t know if Bruce is all that good at motivation at the NHL level. It is a lot easier to motivate someone in the AHL, especially if they have a 2-way contract which is probably worth 2-3 times the money at the NHL level. That’s motivation. In the NHL, money isn’t as big a motivator since most everyone is making a good living. I live comfortably enough to have season tickets, yet I don’t even make a third of the NHL minimum salary.

What I’m going to do is offer up my thoughts on who the best and worst Caps coach is in each aspect as well as the best coach in my lifetime in each aspect.

Teaching:
Best Caps coach: Bruce Boudreau (clearly ahead of everyone)
Worst Caps coach: Bryan Murray.
Best I’ve seen: Glen Sather. Everyone on his Oiler teams knew exactly what to do all the time. Of course, having Gretzky, Messier, Kurri, Coffey, Anderson, etc. helped, but he taught them to be Hall of Fame players.

Strategy:
Best Caps coach: Terry Murray/Jim Schoenfeld
Worst Caps coach: Gary Green
Best I’ve Seen: Mike Keenan. If I have to win one game, he’s the guy I want behind the bench. Keenan had a great tactical mind for the game and there are probably less than five people on the planet who know more than Keenan about hockey and how a game should be managed and played. Also right up there are Fred Shero and Scotty Bowman

Motivation:
Best Caps Coach: Ron Wilson
Worst Caps Coach: Bruce Cassidy – maybe the worst coach in terms of motivation that I’ve seen period, Caps or otherwise
Best I’ve Seen: Bob Johnson – It’s a great day for hockey. Yeah he won a Cup with a team of Hall-of-Fame players, but the Penguins were always up for games, and they all loved playing for Johnson.

Dammit...now I need a new signature...

by MikeL-Pivonka on May 12, 2011 9:31 AM EDT reply actions   2 recs

Cool data collection!
Looks like with a new coach:

55 teams improved their point production
41 fell off on point production
3 ended up with the same number of points

I’d be curious to see the playoff performance in the preceding year (just prior to the coaching change) – Did they even make the playoffs?
If a team with a new coach got knocked out in the first round that could be a significant improvement if they’d failed to make the playoffs in the previous 4 years in a row or something.

low-scoring = golf = win

by Icebat on May 12, 2011 2:13 PM EDT reply actions  

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