I propose a Mutually Beneficial Trade ....
by FLYERROB on May 10, 2011 9:13 AM EDT
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PrintAs you can guess by my Name I am a FLYERS fan. I do like Ovechkin and quite a few other players on Washington Capitals (Laich, Chimera, Green, Semin, Backstrom, Knuble, Carlson, Holtby, Neuvirth, & Varlamov just to name a few talented players.) I also enjoy a Capitals vs FLYERS matchup.
I even spent about 500 bucks for a pair of club box seat tickets for my birthday (December 04th) to go to the FLYERS vs Capitals game only to see the Capitals crush the FLYERS 8-2. I bought the tickets in October hoping to see Ovechkin vs Richards in a dang good matchup. Only to find out that Ovechkin was out due to an Injury and John Stevens was fired. That layed the bed for a bad game for Philadelphia. Anytime a coach is fired, most of the time the team loses a few before they get the ship back on course. A few times there is instant wins with the new head coach but most of the time its a few loses before the new coach gets any wins. So I felt that this was a setup game for a collapse... and boy was I right with that prediction. I saw the referee give Dan Carcillo 9 minutes of penalty time and a 9 minute power play to Washington. I have NEVER EVER in the history of hockey EVER seen a 9 minute power play and I doubt I ever will and I hope that I never ever will either. Thats just stupid ref ! Now I don't want to debate if the Carcillo punch on Matt Bradley was clean or dirty or not. Thats another topic for another day.
anyways... back on the main topic ..
Its clear that both our teams (Washington and Philadelphia) after leading the East for most of the season suffered an Embarrassing 2nd round exit. Philly swept by Boston and Washington swept by Tampa Bay.
While its embarrasing that the FLYERS thought that they had addressed the goaltending situation with veteran Boucher and Bobrovsky appearing out of nowhere's land. It appeared that all season with the FLYERS leading the Eastern Conference for most of the season that the goaltending was fine even though we had no shutouts all season long. (post season as well included) FLYERS get to April and the wheels started falling of the proverbial wagon.
Washington it appeared had survived all season long in the Eastern Conference with Ovechkin having a career low scoring wise due to some injuries. They were pretty much second in the East till they made a strong playoff push in the end of March to pass the FLYERS and yank the #1 Seed out from under the FLYERS hands. Good job on that guys, I bid .. Adeu on that ! But they got to the playoffs and struggled with scoring.
Ok .. So I think I have a fix....
Now I am just a Hockey Fan and just a FLYERS fan so I am no General Manager. I am no George McPhee or Paul Holmgren so I dont know the ins and outs of trades.
But here is a trade option that I think could be considered that would be mutually beneficial to both teams.
Jeff Carter goes to Washington for Semyon Varlamov to Philadelphia.
you could use the headlines "Mr Carter goes to Washington" (Spin off of Mr. Smith goes to Washington.. its a classic if you dont know it.)
Ok this is why I say this would be a good trade.
Jeff Carter would give you another solid strong scoring center that is a veteran. I don't know if Arnott or Knuble are coming back but they are absolutely getting older. Jeff Carter is younger than both of them but old enough to have experience in the league.
Semyon Varlamov would work well with Sergei Bobrovsky and it would give the FLYERS two young solid rookie goalies. Both are Russian and can speak the language to each other and have a friendly competitive go at who will be the starter.
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in a heartbeat. call up GMGM and make it happen. part of me doesn’t want to invest in another longterm contract, but carter’s deal is palatable, and the trade allows the caps to move alex semin for a couple of lesser puzzle pieces. we’ve discussed the trade value of young goalies quite a bit around japers’ rink, though, and especially given varly’s injury history i think it would take a lot more than 1 young (RFA) goalie to pry away jeff carter.
by Natty Bumppo on May 10, 2011 9:25 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Varlamov and Alexandre Giroux for Carter.
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You can have all the Girouxs in the league!
A kitten on fire, a baby in a blender, both sound as sweet as Caps playoff surrender.
by Rob Parker on May 10, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This is easier to swallow than Varlamov straight up.
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by Whiter Mage on May 10, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Too bad Alex Giroux is EDM property now…(or is he going UFA?)
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by red army line on May 10, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
IIRC he’s UFA, but still thinks he has better chance with Edmonton.
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by MikeL-Pivonka on May 10, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed, if I were the Caps I’d do this in a heartbeat. Its hard to get good value for goaltenders these days, even young goaltenders. And the Caps need goalscorers who are also “tough to play” against.
I don’t think the Caps would deal one of their three young-uns unless it was a really good value, and to me this qualifies. From the Flyers side, though, I think they would never make this offer. But maybe they’d try something.
dont say never. Flyers will probably move one of the top heavy loaded money wise contracts of the top forwards and rumors have it that its Jeff Carter.
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there were a lot of carter rumors BEFORE his big deal. are there still rumors? doesn’t make sense to me that they’d sign him for so long and then look to move him the very next season.
by Natty Bumppo on May 10, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes, please! IMO there is little to lose by trading away Varlamov. I also agree that Holtby is probably the future, but Neuvirth is more than serviceable regardless. Carter would add another dimension to the offense, especially if we lose Laich as is rumored.
I don’t see Philly even contemplating a move like this though, especially to a fellow contender in the East.
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I like it. I have a gut feeling that Holtby is the future here in goal, and Carter would be a good replacement for Laich (who will probably sign elsewhere for a lot more than he is worth).
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I would hate to lose him, but I think that in this year’s weak free agent market someone will offer him 5 mil+ per, and we already have a lot of money locked up in high-priced players. OTOH, if we can get someone to bite on a trade for Semin or Green…
Just say no on Holtby — I ain’t about to give the Flyers another Ron Hextall.
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by Gould Old Days on May 10, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I can’t see Laich getting more than 5 mil per season, but I guess he could be the Rangers #1 center if they don’t get Richards and want to spend a lot of money for the hell of it.
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If there was ever a player to take less to have a shot at the Cup it’s Brooks. That guy would forfeit his salary to win it all. Not only that, you know he loves the Caps, and wants nothing more then to win in this town.
Carter would be more than a replacement for Laich. I think after getting overrated from his 46 goal season, he’s now underrated relative to his contributions in his own zone and his ability to drive offense.
He played the toughest comp on the team, got the hardest zone starts of any forward playing significant minutes who wasn’t named Nodl or Powe and was a +7.8 Corsi Rel, meaning that in spite of much tougher conditions when he was on the ice, his team did better when he was out there as opposed to not, to the tune of 7.8 shots directed at net per 60. You’ll win a lot of games at that differential.
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by Knee high to a duck on May 10, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I hate this trade because I am a Varly fan. At least if he’s in the NHL I can still watch him though instead of finding online feeds in Russian for the KHL.
I think the Caps would have to offer more than just Varly. He has lower value due to his injury history. Personally, I think the Caps should go with the Varly/Neuvy tandem another season and let Holtby continue to improve in the AHL, with call-ups as needed when Varly tweaks something and Neuvy has the flu for the 4th time in a season. But the Caps could use a veteran center to go along with Nicky and MoJo.
Jeff Carter is a bum. We dont need another playoff floater checking his bank account every other friday to make sure the money hits.
Yeah your right.. I forgot.. You already had Backstrom do that this year in the playoffs
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by FLYERROB on May 10, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Carter has 21 points in 47 playoff games and a -14
Backstrom has 32 points in 37 playoff games and a +13
Backstrom wasnt good this playoff for sure, but his numbers are much better overall. I want no part of Jeff Carter when it counts.
He’s also had horrible injury luck in the playoffs. Gotta consider that.
A kitten on fire, a baby in a blender, both sound as sweet as Caps playoff surrender.
If he had bad playoff luck in Philly, he will probably get struck by lightning right before the playoffs as a Cap.
by SA-Town on May 10, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I can see it now. “Jeff Carter struck by lighting in D.C Area storm. McPhee calls it an upper body injury with no timetable to return.”
by SA-Town on May 10, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Carter scares me because his contract is forever. That would give the Capitals, essentially, THREE “forever” contracts. That’s a ton of money tied into three guys for the forceable future.
A move like this would mean that Semin would have to be moved immediately (don’t have a problem with it). It would also mean that Ovechkin, Backstrom, and Carter are going to the be the big three for a long time most likely. I don’t know if that’s what you want to do honesty. 11 years is just a very long time.
by Charlie Foxtrot on May 10, 2011 1:14 PM EDT reply actions
My first thought was
Of course the Carcillo punch was filthy, and he deserved every minute he got..
My Second thought was
Heck yes I’d do this trade
But Carter’s contract ends in 2022. A year after Ovechkin’s. That scares me as well.
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by Sombrero Guy on May 11, 2011 8:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Interesting how he “flips the switch” alternating post-seasons
Playoff years:
1. 0 goals 0 points
2.6 goals 11 points
3. 1 goal 1 point
4. 5 goals 7 points
5. 1 goal 2 points
So, this coming year he should be good for roughly 6 goals and 9 points if he makes it through at least two series…
I would hope if the Caps choose to pick up a big contract at this point it would be with someone who shows some post-season stability. The team should be set for the regular season.
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by Gould Old Days on May 10, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
nice stats on Saberhagen
But what the heck does it have to do with this fanpost ?
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you see how his wins and WAR go up and down and up and down and up and down?
by Natty Bumppo on May 11, 2011 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes I see how they go Up and Down and Up and Down…..
HOWEVER
1. What the heck does Bret Saberhagen’s .. a baseball player… stats have to do with a post about Jeff Carter and Varlamov ?
2. What the heck is WAR ?
3. What if anything do these stats represent ?
4. Why do women pick their favorite hockey player based of how “Handsome” he looks ?
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I think it shows a player having up and down years in an alternating pattern. WAR is wins above replacement, which is the underlying idea behind GVT too.
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by red army line on May 12, 2011 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions
It was a bit of an inside joke to those who remember it. Saberhagen’s tendency to have alternating good and bad years took on, shall we say, some cultural significance in the 1980s. So you either found me referencing that funny or ya didn’t. No big deal.
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by Gould Old Days on May 13, 2011 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Rob, I think you’re selling Carter more than a bit short. I think the Flyers could get more for him than Varlamov, alone, given that in this day and age, goalies are not valued as highly as they were in the past. (I’m going by last year’s down market for goalies.)
Ironically enough, I had proposed a trade involving Carter and the Caps last week on Broad Street Hockey. I had figured that if the Caps were wanting to break up their core and if the Flyers were of like mind, the trade would involve trading Backstrom for Carter and throwing in Varly. Nick B makes about a million more or so than Carter but more workable than any of the other “Young Guns” on the Caps. My trade would end up putting the Flyers over the cap limit. And I probably sold the combination of Nicky and Varly short as well. If that trade were to work, the Flyers would have to throw in another asset of some sort, say Hartnall.
Now I’m not necessarily advocating trading either Nicky, Varly, or both but if Carter were to go, it would probably be for a Nicky caliber player. Semin and Green are roughly the same caliber of player but since Green has one more year and then is RFA and Semin has one more year and then is UFA, that would kill those deals.
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The one thing to consider in Varly’s value is that he’ll be cheap for several more years. That’s a lot more attractive than a goalie tying up $5-7M.
It isn’t even anger-inducing. It does not seem to be worth that kind of emotional investment. It might not even be disappointing any more. It is expected.
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That is certainly a point in favor for any team acquiring his contract. I still doubt that the Flyers would trade Carter straight up for Varly. But Varly going as part of a package and Carter coming as part of a package could happen.
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It’s so tough to judge the value of these long deals since no one has traded a player on one of them (Gretzky personal services contract not included).
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by red army line on May 11, 2011 2:20 AM EDT up reply actions
I tell ya, every time it looks like a team is screwing itself with one of these long term deals, the environment gets more and more favorable. Cap keeps going up despite the fact these guys are paying ~20% escrow. With Carter the latter years of his contract could be stashed in the minors or he could be traded. He will have a NTC but we all know there is no choice between Grand Rapids and being traded.
If the issues are merely financial with little cap repercussions, that should be a green light.
It isn’t even anger-inducing. It does not seem to be worth that kind of emotional investment. It might not even be disappointing any more. It is expected.
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I keep worrying that these uber long term deals are going to bite teams in the a** in the long run. For example, it would be hard for a team to do a rebuild if they’re saddled with really long contracts.
But prices of everything tend to go up in the long run and that includes the cap space in the NHL so $5.5 Million in the future is a lower percentage of the cap space in the future than now.
Good point on the possibility of Carter’s contract being stashed in the minors. Essentially being Nylandered — or should we say Reddened, to update it just a bit.
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The only way I see a team getting royally screwed by a long term contract is if they offer a player years without getting any sort of discount. Good thing we haven’t seen that yet…
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by Steckel Me Elmo on May 14, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
A team with Cap issues like the Flyers might have to take less talent in return for a higher dollar contract that teams KNOW they need to move
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by Sombrero Guy on May 11, 2011 8:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes the FLYERS are always high on salary and close to the Salary Cap Ceiling. This is why I am Offering Jeff Carter (High Contract) and his talents for a Lesser Contracts in Varlamov and Alexandre Giroux.
It benefits both teams if we do this trade.
Washington gets a Center that can score .
Rumors is that philly wants to move a forward for a goalie.
Philly gets a Prospect and a Goalie.
Rumor is that Washington wants Holtby and Neuvirth next year and wants to move Varlamov.
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Do you have links to those rumors?
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by red army line on May 11, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
NO I dont have links to those rumors. Rumors are just that.. … Rumors. Sometimes they are true, (Ray Emery coming to philadelphia from Russia) .. sometimes they are false (Langenbrunner to Philadelphia) ..
only a few times are they big name trades or acquisitions that are shocking like …
Pronger traded to Philadelphia.
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Right, but he didn’t ask for you to give us proof of truth or falsehood. He wants a link as to who is spreading these rumors. We follow the Caps pretty closely hear and we haven’t seen anything from the team, or anyone that covers the team, that they want Neuvy and Holtby and are looking to move Varlamov. Everything we’ve seen is to the contrary: they are not moving a goalie at this point.
A kitten on fire, a baby in a blender, both sound as sweet as Caps playoff surrender.
by Rob Parker on May 11, 2011 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
it was mentioned on Versus and it was mentioned on Philadelphia’s CSN that the People who cover the FLYERS say that they have heard from Sources that the Capitals want to go with Holtby and Neuvirth.
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Well, the FLYERS beat writers are idiots. I don’t trust a word they say, especially not relating to the Caps.
Basically ditto for Versus. They aren’t all idiots but they don’t cover individual teams closely so I doubt they have a reliable source. If the Caps had said anything that tipped their hand on the goalies I’m pretty confident it would have been brought up or linked to on this site.
A kitten on fire, a baby in a blender, both sound as sweet as Caps playoff surrender.
by Rob Parker on May 11, 2011 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
hey…. remember the rules… I have not called the Capitals Beat Writers Idiots….. so … return the favor and show the same respect.
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For the record, Giroux isn’t in the Caps organization. He is with Edmonton.
Matt Bradley: He has sensitive skin, no?
Fudge… ok .. another prospect or a draft pick
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Joe Finley – No Stats whatsoever on this guy. I dont recall anyting about him.. I notice that he is 6’8" and 248 LBS. SO I am going to assume that he is an Enforcer or a Fighter.
We already have Carcillo and (Sigh) Shelley. (What a waist of money on Shelley)
SO …. No thanks on Joe Finley.
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Finley was a wasted 2005 First round pick from North Dakota. Started as D, dabbled as an enforcer on the wing, won’t ever make the NHL.
A kitten on fire, a baby in a blender, both sound as sweet as Caps playoff surrender.
well if he is a bust.. dont push him off on us or anyone else.. Cut your ties and give him a Job Application for Home Depot or Wal Mart or McDonalds
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He’ll bounce in the minors for a while. Also, he seems like a crazy, but likable guy. Also, if you have him he can injure your AHL prospects.
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by Whiter Mage on May 12, 2011 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Didn’t he get in a fight in development camp and injure someone?
Matt Bradley: He has sensitive skin, no?
He hurt Miskovic with a hit in development camp (I’m in the picture of Miskovic laying on the ice, Ovechwin, myself, and another rabbit (Birdie?) were right behind it), though it wasn’t dirty. Pisani I think then stepped into his face to fight him, and Finley obliged, which would have been fine if it wasn’t rookie camp with a teammate on the ice injured. For what it’s worth, my recollection has Miskovic trying to kind of jump out of the way of the hit and with how tall Finley is, they hit knees, and Miskovic’s gave.
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Home Depot would work. He’s an expert on lawn mowers.
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by Steve-R on May 14, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Mentioning Joe Finley was a joke. Huge dman who has played winger, very physical, not anywhere near NHL level. He has had trouble cracking an AHL roster.
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by timmyv38 on May 12, 2011 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Backstrom is worth miles more than Carter. Seriously Backstrom is probably one of the top three centers in the league; at age 22 he had over a hundred points in a season. Just because he had one subpar season doesn’t mean you dump him especially when he has chemistry with the best scoring forward in the game.
Though admittedly Carter is worth significantly more than Varly considering the Caps have 3 potential franchise goalies.
Backstrom isn’t a top-3 C right now. He’s a legit #1 C, and definitely upper-echelon of that, but he’s not a top-3 guy.
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by Knee high to a duck on May 12, 2011 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Backstrom is worth miles more than Carter. Seriously Backstrom is probably one of the top three centers in the league; at age 22 he had over a hundred points in a season. Just because he had one subpar season doesn’t mean you dump him especially when he has chemistry with the best scoring forward in the game.
Though admittedly Carter is worth significantly more than Varly considering the Caps have 3 potential franchise goalies.
I think that Backstrom has a slight edge on Carter ~ and I am a FLYERS fan saying that. Backstrom is more of an MVP to Washington than Carter is to Philadelphia.
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Their value is probably very close. Last year, I would have put Nicky over Carter. Since Nicky had a down year, I was rating Carter a little ahead.
If a trade were to happen (due to the fact that both teams are in the mood to change up the core)
Odds are, the trade won’t happen but if it did, it would be a package and the Caps would get more back than just Carter.
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If we move Backstrom to the Flyers, I don’t want anything less than Richards, and if we’re talking Carter, I want Giroux too. Maybe Leino.
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Leino can stay, they’d better send us Giroux. He’s the only guy that approaches Backstrom’s two-way ability.
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by red army line on May 14, 2011 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions
I would probably consider Richards and Carter about equal in trade value. But given that Richards is their captain, the Flyers would be more likely to part with Carter.
Giroux would be nice to get. And throw in Coburn while they’re at it as well.
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1) why is the original poster writing FLYERS in capital letters? Is it an acronym I’m not aware of? (I could figure out what the F stands for at least)
2) Paul Holmgren would never agree to it
3) Where are all the JP police (official and unofficial) who would complain that this isn’t worthy of a fanpost?
1) Some people just do that
2) Obviously
3) It’s a step up from a paragraph without punctuation, at least. It’s not the 411 on the 3-1-1, but few posts are
4) The debate is to what extent Backstrom > Carter.
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by red army line on May 15, 2011 6:03 AM EDT up reply actions
I’ll admit I proposed that — as a hypothetical. If the Flyers and Caps both felt that their respective teams needed to shake up their cores as a result of the four game sweep, what kind of trade could be made.
Disclaimer: would I seriously advocate it for either team? It’s debatable.
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I don’t see how you do not make the trade if your paul holmgren. the fact that carter has been shopped around means that it would take a lot less than Bactky to get him. And TBH, I wouldn’t even want him on the caps unless it meant giving up a player from one of the 2 bottom fw lines or an FA to be.
Most of the caps core shake-up revolves around the possibility of trading 28 and 52, which even i’m not that keen to unless it’s for equal value in return (and their value is relatively low at the moment). 19 is one of the untouchables.
Seeing how this has morphed from Carter for Varly to the usual trade Semin/Green discussion, I feel compelled to say that Semin’s value is about as high as it is going to get. He is what he is. At least he scored a few playoff goals and is signed for next year. To keep waiting to pull the trigger on moving him is too much like trying to time the market.
It isn’t even anger-inducing. It does not seem to be worth that kind of emotional investment. It might not even be disappointing any more. It is expected.
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I’m assuming that Holmgren would probably want more than just Varly for Carter. Originally, I had put Backstrom in the deal since he & Carter had comparable term contracts. Admittedly, Backstrom & Varly is probably too much to cough up for just Carter. The Caps would have to get other stuff back.
The salary of Green is comparable to Carter’s, except that the question is …. do the Flyers really need a guy with Green’s skill set since defense is already their strong suit. Okay, not the bottom guy but… And Green’s also a restricted FA
Would the Flyers want Semin & Varly for Carter? It would all depend on if the Flyers felt they could sign up Semin or not. Otherwise, it would be a year of renting Semin and acquiring Varly. If I were Semin, would I sign an extension with the Flyers if acquired by them? The Flyers are a contender. Check. The Flyers have plenty of good players approximately the same age. Check. Russian factor. Well, Bob is a Russian and if Varly went in that deal. Check.
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your not getting Richards, Giroux, or Leino. LOL
This was a proposed trade for Carter for Varly and a Prospect or Draft Pick
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You’re right, we won’t be trading for Leino because we can just sign him. Unless you’ve freed up a lot of salary by July 1, you won’t have the room to give him the money he could be getting and still field a full roster. You need a minimum of two more guys and you have $430,000 to do it with. Unless the salary cap gets a major bump or one of Carter, Hartnell, or Versteeg gets dumped, you’ll be bringing up a few AHLers.
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by Flash in the Pan on May 16, 2011 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Salary cap is supposed to go up to $62 million, I think.
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by red army line on May 16, 2011 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Which is probably what they will do. Bring up AHL’ers. They probably will move Carter, Bring Up either Wellwood, Testwuide or Hamel. (Hamel has NHL Experience) Clean shop with dropping the dead wood in Leighton and Walker and not resign Zherdev. This will free up some space to sign Leino (nanny nanny boo boo you cant have him like you said you could. Your not gonna just be able to sign him.) Trust me the FLYERS will sign Leino. I am hoping we can move Carter for a Goalie … Preferably Varly and a Prospect or a draft pick.
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I don’t think they’re going to be able to move that contract.
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by Knee high to a duck on May 17, 2011 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Dropping the “dead wood” and moving Carter is easier said than done. And just because you have some space to sign him doesn’t mean he’ll accept whatever discounted offer the Flyers can scrounge up, when other teams will probably offer him more because of the dearth of talented forwards in this year’s free agent pool. Not saying it’s what he deserves, but I could see a team dishing out 3-4M for a guy who’s performed in the playoffs and is coming off a 19 goal, 53 point season. Good luck finding that kind of space and still filling your roster.
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by Flash in the Pan on May 17, 2011 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I am telling you…. Leino WILL be a FLYER next season. Thats a Guarantee as much as Neuvirth is a Guarantee to be a Capital.
The FLYERS will Sign Ville – he plays well with Briere and Hartnell.
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Well, Neuvirth is already signed, so there has to be a slight edge there. The Caps don’t have to get rid of anyone to accommodate Neuvirth. Maybe Leino stays in PHI, but at what cost?
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I knew the minute I hit post,… someone was going to say,.. well Neuvirth is already under contract. … And yes He is and Yes Leino is not (YET) but my point is that Leino will be a FLYER.
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Yeah, in your opinion. Just like it’s the opinion of Tim Panaccio of CSNPhilly that “”http://www.csnphilly.com/05/15/11/Figuring-out-the-Flyers-Forwards/news_flyers.html?blockID=523156&feedID=733" >if he wants more than $3.2 million, the Flyers won’t re-sign him." Until that signing gets announced, none of our opinions matter.
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by Flash in the Pan on May 18, 2011 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmm… link fail. This is how it’s supposed to look.
Yeah, in your opinion. Just like it’s the opinion of Tim Panaccio of CSNPhilly that if he wants more than $3.2 million, the Flyers won’t re-sign him. Until that signing gets announced, none of our opinions matter.
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by Flash in the Pan on May 18, 2011 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I missed the “prospect or draft pick” part of your proposal.
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