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As I was (finally) going to bed last night, It seemed a lot of folks on twitter were freaking out about having games on back to back days in Tampa for games 3 and 4. Its probably a reaction given the perception that the back to backs in the Pittsburgh series were the turning point against the Caps.

Considering the fact that the Caps will be more fresh heading into the series, and have 3 options in goal all of whom are nearly half the age of Roloson, I can’t help but wonder if this favors the caps.

It does seem out scheduling though. Neither back to back is a national TV game, and from what others have said, there are no conflicts in the St Pete Times Forum. I’d love to see an explanation for the scheduling, but am not holding my breath.

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by Sombrero Guy on Apr 28, 2011 6:31 AM EDT reply actions  

The Caps have played in three playoff back-to-backs in this decade:

2003 (vs. Tampa Bay): April 15/16 (Games 3/4 at Tampa), loss (OT)/loss
2008 (vs. Philadelphia): April 21/22 (Games 6/7 at PHL/at WSH). win/loss (OT)
2009 (vs. Pittsburgh): May 8/9 (Game 4/5 at PIT/at WSH), loss/loss (OT)

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by ThePeerless on Apr 28, 2011 7:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

New decade, new results.

by Berube Doobie Doo on Apr 28, 2011 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

What are the odds that BB does this year what he should’ve done in 2009 – give the starter a day off in one of the back-to-backs? Depending on the tenor of the series of course. It’d be pretty easy, I think, to play Varly in a game 4 if you’re up 3-0 or even up 2-1. A little tougher if you’re down 3-0 or down 2-1.

by STLEdge on Apr 28, 2011 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

i hope so. if anything, Varly in Game 4 with a 3-0 series lead works for me. 2-1 - maaaaybe……. wouldn’t want to end up 2-2.

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by RedskinFan4Life on Apr 28, 2011 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Are you guys serious (guys meaning people, not males, in case you are female)? You are really afraid to play Varly for one game in the playoffs? How quickly people forget about his past playoff experience. If that is too long ago for you, look at his stats this season against Tampa, they are very good. I know he hasn’t been playing recently, but he’s been practicing, including optional practices. The last we heard out of him was the Russian interview where they asked him about being the backup goaltender (this was right before the playoffs started) and he said he’d work harder to be number 1 if he was in that situation. I think he’s probably working pretty hard now in practice to be ready if he’s needed.

by vtcapsfan99 on Apr 28, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

It was his job to lose coming into this season. Unfortunately, he can’t stay healthy.

Varly, Varly...errrrrr.....NEU-VY, NEU-VY! Pp

by alisterio on Apr 28, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, he’s not injured now. I’m not arguing that he should have been the playoff starter. I am questioning why people would be afraid for him to even play one game. It’s not like he is similar to other backup goalies playing, he is talented enough to be the starter.

by vtcapsfan99 on Apr 28, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was agreeing with you about why you shouldn’t be worried about playing him and wondering why people would – sorry if it came across otherwise.

Varly, Varly...errrrrr.....NEU-VY, NEU-VY! Pp

by alisterio on Apr 28, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

doesn’t need to stay healthy to fill in for a back-to-back

Suspend Colin Campbell!

by snowburnt on Apr 28, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think most people agree with you, but it is hard for fans (and apparently BB as well) to sit Nuevy when he is playing very well.

I think the situation is different though than in ‘09. BB had clearly lost faith in Theo and didn’t want to put him back in. Obviously that is not the case with Varly now.

by Karl W on Apr 28, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not afraid to play Varlamov. But Neuvirth is your horse, and you do whatever is best for his continued success. If that means giving him a game off, do that. If it means playing him in back to back games, do that.

Neuvirth’s carried a heavy load before. He can handle it. I think whether to play him in both 3 and 4 is a decision best left for next week

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by Gould Old Days on Apr 28, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree. I said something similar in the thread last night.

Looking at the schedule and noting the back to back aspect makes sense for discussion now and something to pay attention to as the series progresses, but I don’t see how one can decide now that Varlamov should start a game and which one it would be.

by sk84fun_dc on Apr 28, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don’t get me wrong, I love Varly, too.

But you gotta think about the situation first. Sitting on the bench and watching the play is different than actually being in it. Neuvy has been in the action. He has a good sense of the pulse of the action. Varly hasn’t.

Based on the way things are going, I ride Neuvy right now until we’re in a situation that would call for a chance to rest Neuvy (or the other option which is he’s stinking it up, but I hope not!). If we’re up 3-0 and Game 4 is the 2nd of at B-to-B, then I would play Varly no problem. If he finishes it off, great. If not, then Neuvy’s got Game 5 at home 3 days later.

Of course, with the long rest they just had, this may not be a factor for Neuvy.

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by RedskinFan4Life on Apr 28, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it’s likely that Varly plays one or the other of the B2B, regardless of the status of the series.

by Berube Doobie Doo on Apr 28, 2011 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

does that translate over to TB, that Roloson will get one of the back to backs off because I would LOVE to see that.

by Beakers Lab on Apr 28, 2011 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not sure TB has that luxury. Too much dropoff in talent.

by Berube Doobie Doo on Apr 28, 2011 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Even if Roloson plays both b2b’s it’s still advantage Caps

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by sami426 on Apr 28, 2011 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

It’d be pretty easy, I think, to play Varly in a game 4 if you’re up 3-0 or even up 2-1. A little tougher if you’re down 3-0 or down 2-1.

Got to think that Varly will have already made his appearance if either of these scenarios plays out.

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by alisterio on Apr 28, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Definitely if they are down 3-0 unless Neuvirth is losing 1-0/2-1 duels.

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by Rob Parker on Apr 28, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

hard to fathom that with the offenses both teams bring…..but hey, its playoff hockey, right?

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by RedskinFan4Life on Apr 28, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, Tampa did win 1 – 0 just last night.

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by zephyr on Apr 28, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, and I think if the Cap are up 2-1 or 3-0 there is no chance we see Varly. BB will want to stick with what has been working and end the series right then. Plenty of time for Neuvy to rest if the Caps win a quick series. Down 1-2 (or worse) is when I think we’ll see Varly – if he hasn’t played already.

This series is going to be the test for both our defense and BB’s commitment to Neuvy. There are going to be goals scored by TB

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by LucyImHome on Apr 28, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hard to imagine this series being as tight defensively as the last one, but stranger things have happened.

Atta dinnin stick a who!

by Gould Old Days on Apr 28, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

If we don’t see Varly in the playoffs, I’ll be very happy. And I’m team-Varly.

Varly, Varly...errrrrr.....NEU-VY, NEU-VY! Pp

by alisterio on Apr 28, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Me too. And me too.

The first round was an hors d’oeuvres of crow for this Team Varly guy. I’ll be happy to eat an entree if Neuvy keeps it up against a team with some legit offensive weapons.

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by LucyImHome on Apr 28, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Before the first round I thought we would see Brandon between the pipes at some time in the playoffs, given Varly’s injury proneness and Neuvy getting “ill” from time to time. So far so good though.

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by ExPatCapFan on Apr 28, 2011 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I do think the back-to-backs at one arena gives a slight advantage to the home team. I would have liked to see a home-and-home for a back-to-back set where both teams have to travel etc.

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by twistedlogic on Apr 28, 2011 8:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, at least we don’t have to travel between the back-to-backs.

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by IRockTheRed on Apr 28, 2011 8:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

i am in the same boat….i think this favors the Caps. For all the factors you mentioned. I think also with TB coming out of a 7 games series and then having to play potentially critical Games 3/4 back to back will take a lot out of them.

Go Caps!

...duhhh....what's a goal?

by RedskinFan4Life on Apr 28, 2011 8:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Tampa can shove all in and go crazy in one game and obviously showed a lot of guts in games 5, 6 and 7 against the pens. I just go back to earlier in the year when they actually pulled it off against us, and both times rolo went from shutout to showers (yanked in the first in both games, believe it was devils and pens).

We’ll have to stay out of the box, and execute as they have in the past series. It won’t be easy at all, but caps are good enough to bring it. Helps that we can roll four lines.

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by Truculence on Apr 28, 2011 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

and apparently J.P. agrees. via @japersrink on twitter

I tend to think those back-to-backs favor the #Caps – Tampa’s the team with the Crypt Keeper in goal; Caps have two good young options there

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by Sombrero Guy on Apr 28, 2011 6:35 AM EDT reply actions  

Ted Starkey posted late last night the reason is USF is having graduation on Thursday.

"I remembered when he said that and I kind of looked at him during the warm up and told myself that I got to shut these guys out tonight." - Michal Neuvirth, 02.06.11.

by bagace on Apr 28, 2011 6:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Here’s the tweet:

@TedStarkey: @MBog44 USF spring graduation is Thursday. That’s the reason for back to back.

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by bagace on Apr 28, 2011 6:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ah ok, well that makes some sense.

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by Sombrero Guy on Apr 28, 2011 7:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

GWU uses Verizon as a backup for graduation if the weather is bad (a friend’s daughter graduated from there in ‘09, which is why I know). They were sweating out the weather, because it was going to affect them – I believe they would have had to change the time if they needed the arena. I guess USF doesn’t start with an outdoor venue – I just assumed most schools do.

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by gfcaps fan on Apr 28, 2011 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m in the Comcast Center in three weeks… it’s a big damn building, though, bigger than most campuses have.

by cajuncook on Apr 28, 2011 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Football field? It’s a question, not a comment/suggestion. So far, I’ve only been to graduation at smaller schools (my own and my daughter’s) and they used the quad. Won’t be at MSU for a couple of years, but I looked online at it last year and I thought that’s what they were using.

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by gfcaps fan on Apr 28, 2011 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

I remember going to my brother’s graduation at Virginia Tech… six years ago now, which was originally scheduled for Lane Stadium and rained out… don’t really remember the rest of what happened, but I do remember that it was a pain. I think it’s just too much of a hassle to reschedule the whole ordeal in the event of spring weather (which is common enough around here to be a recurring issue).

by cajuncook on Apr 28, 2011 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

the one in Lane is a big ceremony for everyone, but you don’t get your diploma there, you get your diploma in a smaller ceremony held for just your department or your college (engineering, arts, architecture, etc)

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by Elliotte on Apr 28, 2011 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, no, I know. We have a similar thing: university-wide commencement ceremonies are at CC and my college will be at Cole Field House. I’m saying that they could very well do it at Byrd, but the logistics of rescheduling or canceling are too much; my one time experience at Virginia Tech bears this out.

by cajuncook on Apr 28, 2011 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

May want to continue this in the OT thread.

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by Bald Pollack on Apr 28, 2011 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

I never would have anticipated college graduations as possibly impacting playoff schedules. The problem will continue too as graduations continue in May . . .

by Karl W on Apr 28, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Comcast center is the basketball arena.

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by Sombrero Guy on Apr 28, 2011 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

I knew that, the question was poorly worded. What I meant was why not use the football field.

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by gfcaps fan on Apr 28, 2011 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

I liked this line from the Times article:

“The school’s on-ice arena is being refurbished, so this is the first year USF’s graduation is at the Forum.”

I know college hockey is spreading, but I didn’t realize USF had a team now.

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by OldPhil on Apr 28, 2011 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Do I have to do my own sight gags around here, too, or is someone gonna hook me up with a Shopped pic of Rolie?

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by J.P. on Apr 28, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

where’s BrainUMBC when you actually need him?

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by RedBirdie on Apr 28, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Seriously. Self employed slacker. ;-P

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by WordsOnIce on Apr 28, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Been a busy day. Gasp! Actual WORK!

It’s on tommorrow with the photoshop though.

by Brainumbc on Apr 28, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here's an older one from when Rolie was with the Oil

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by Rather Bengt on Apr 28, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Feel bad for the guy, getting hurt in game 1 of the finals after carrying the Oilers and putting up some solid numbers. I didn’t realize this until just now, but he was a deadline deal and the Oilers traded for a first and a third

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by Sombrero Guy on Apr 28, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

A little different than my normal photoshop style

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by zephyr on Apr 28, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

needs a stitched up lombotomy cut on his forehead

by Brainumbc on Apr 28, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ooooh, demon eyes. Love it.

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by bagace on Apr 28, 2011 6:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

he’s trying his voodoo stuff on TB

...duhhh....what's a goal?

by RedskinFan4Life on Apr 28, 2011 8:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Aww.

Okay, anyone else have a problem with the Republic article saying that Archie’s won Hart and Vezina Trohies? Uh, I don’t believe he’s won either of those.

by redpezrocket on Apr 28, 2011 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Caught that too. Pretty huge mistake. Irbe was a nice goalie and all, but I don’t think he was even remotely close to being considered for either of those awards.

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by Killer_Carlson on Apr 28, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I’m not sure where they got that from. The season after the Caps lost in the Cup Finals, his first bin Carolina, I think he may have gotten some award consideration, but that is about it.

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by Carl Putnam on Apr 28, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Based on some quick and dirty research, I think the closest he came was 5th:

1993-94
VEZINA: Dominik Hasek 99 (15-8-0); John Vanbiesbrouck 64 (6-10-4); Patrick Roy 34 (3-3-10); Curtis Joseph 10 (1-1-2); Arturs Irbe 9 (1-1-1); Mike Richter 8 (0-1-5); Ed Belfour 5 (0-1-2); Martin Brodeur 5 (0-1-2)

Atta dinnin stick a who!

by Gould Old Days on Apr 28, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

what’s with the lips? Just finish a cherry popsicle?

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by ThePeerless on Apr 28, 2011 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Does anyone know shar peis? That looks like an adult to me . . . What does Traktor mean in check?

by Karl W on Apr 28, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Shar-Pei’s grow to be the size of small adult Labs, 50-60 pounds. That is definitely still a puppy.

by cajuncook on Apr 28, 2011 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Think that pic is from a couple of years ago. I remember there were pics (or video?) of him bringing his new puppy to a Bears practice back then. Anyone else remember that?

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by bagace on Apr 28, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, but I would love to watch that video. Shar Peis are awesome.

by redpezrocket on Apr 28, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

sorta remember hearing about it. there was a whole lot of ’awww" going on.

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by RedBirdie on Apr 28, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Okay, there’s this article that mentions the puppy. In March 2010 it was 4 months old.

by redpezrocket on Apr 28, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Traktor, according to google translate, means exactly what it sounds like.

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by RedBirdie on Apr 28, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think tractor just means tractor (as in the machine), whether it’s in English or Czech or even Russian. I always wondered why some of the Russian teams were named Traktor.

by redpezrocket on Apr 28, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Varly played for a team named Lokomotiv, which has a picture of a train as their logo.

by vtcapsfan99 on Apr 28, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

But Kuzy plays for Traktor Chelyabinsk, and their logo is a bear.

by redpezrocket on Apr 28, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Chelyabinsk is the site of a famous “Tractor” factory, which seems to have been manufacturing rather more tanks and othe munitions back in the day. Beating the plowshares back into swords, as it were.

theres a museum there and the traktor kids go on tiours from time to time.

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by EmilyB on Apr 28, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

what lovely blue eyes!

Atta dinnin stick a who!

by Gould Old Days on Apr 28, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

there’s a tractor plant in chelyabinsk and probably not many other things to name a team after

by Sjomin on Apr 28, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hahahahahahahah!

What were the odds again? The vaunted probability? The hallowed numbers that said, "oh, we won’t get Tampa – the odds of that are 3,720 to one!

Or was that the odds of successfully navigating an asteroid field?

I maintain that probability, odds, statistics, etc. do not – cannot – tell the whole story. And this just proves it yet again.

The odds we’d face Montreal last season? Worst odds available.

The odds we’d face the Rangers? Worst odds available.

The odds we’d face Tampa Bay? Worst odds available.

Explain THAT.

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by IRockTheRed on Apr 28, 2011 6:48 AM EDT reply actions  

It was about 4% at the moment the Capitals beat the Rangers in Game 5. Do you really think there was a significant chance of: Philly beating Buffalo in two straight, Boston winning two out of three from Montreal, AND Tampa beating Pittsburgh in two straight all occurring at the same time?

What do you mean that the odds we’d face Montreal and the Rangers were the worst available…? That doesn’t make any sense to me.

by cajuncook on Apr 28, 2011 7:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

I remember someone saying there was about a 4% chance we’d draw Montreal; don’t remember what the odds were of getting the Rangers, but they were also on the bottom of the list of who we might get.

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by IRockTheRed on Apr 28, 2011 7:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

As for a "significant chance"

I have learned that the hockey gods are capricious, and those who ride the numbers alone deny the hockey gods and their intervention. To deny the hockey gods is folly.

Just my .02.

And yes, I did think Philadelphia could beat Buffalo two straight. I didn’t think it would be that hard for them. Boston over Montreal? That was tougher to call. But Tampa beating a depleted Pittsburgh lineup? Tampa’s been a solid team this year. It isn’t that big of a stretch to the imagination!

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by IRockTheRed on Apr 28, 2011 7:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

OK, it seems we agree in principle but not mathematically. Would you really have jumped at the opportunity to take WSH-TBL to be the matchup at 25:1 given the plethora of other opportunities available? I’m also not sure where this “tossing out the odds” leads. Should we consider every playoff series to be a tossup? Is pre-game and pre-series analysis useless?

by cajuncook on Apr 28, 2011 7:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

No, it isn’t useless – but statistics by themselves do not account for human factors. Throw numbers at it all day, but what comes will come. My gut said that in round 2 we’d face the Lightning, and it said it from the time of the last horn in game 5.

I don’t pay much attention to statistics. Statistics can be manipulated to say whatever you want them to. Statistically, Varlamov is the better goalie. Yet Michal Neuvirth has carried us through round 1. And I believe in Neuvirth’s ability to continue just that through round 2 and beyond, even though statistically, Varlamov is “better.”

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by IRockTheRed on Apr 28, 2011 7:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Obviously the stats cannot predict the future. If they were perfect predictors, the games wouldn’t need to be played. But nobody was assigning a 100% chance to a specific outcome like you seem to have been. Obviously there is a human-factor that cannot be directly quantified. But isn’t that exactly the meaning of a probabilistic (i.e. not 100% certain) prediction? When I say that Tampa had a 4% chance of advancing to play the Capitals this round, that by itself takes into account the human nature associated with the game — there was a 96% chance of other scenarios occurring, of other human factors coming into play. It certainly does not mean that I thought the most likely outcome (Buffalo taking one of two, 72%) was certain to happen, and Tampa was destined to lose or play Philly or whatever — I assigned the Lightning their “fair human chance” at pulling off the improbable. Are you implying that there was no chance your gut was wrong, that the hockey gods had in it for Pittsburgh and Buffalo? I’m just not following you here.

You’re hitting the nail on the head on the latter, and the statistics back it up: you shouldn’t be so quick to dismiss them, apparently. The discernible statistical difference between the goaltenders is so slim that it “doesn’t matter” which one plays as far as the Capitals’ chances to win a Cup go. In seven-game series, Michael Leighton can look like a Dominik Hasek reincarnate, and then have a .860 save percentage in the next series. It’s just the nature of the modern-day goaltender, and it is perfectly backed up by the nature of the binomial distribution at small sample sizes.

by cajuncook on Apr 28, 2011 7:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not going to argue numbers with you. But you cannot deny that us getting Tampa Bay (at 4% likelihood) was the least likely outcome, and yet somehow – it happened. I don’t get how you get to that 4% anyway, and don’t try and explain it – I won’t be able to wrap my mathematically-challenged head around it. But I’d like to see a statistic that can explain to me how in three playoff series’ running, the Capitals drew their least-likely opponent, when the laws of statistics apply to everyone equally. Statistically, what were the odds that three times in a row, a team with a 4% chance of facing the Caps did exactly that?

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by IRockTheRed on Apr 28, 2011 7:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, (.04)^3 is 1 out of 625. I can tell we’re going nowhere though, so I’ll let this end happily here. I highly recommend “Fooled by Randomness” by Nassim Nicholas Taleb. As long as you can deal with market-talk, it’s a brilliant read for somebody like you, I think.

by cajuncook on Apr 28, 2011 7:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bad math. 5^4 is not 25^3. I meant 1 out of 15,625.

by cajuncook on Apr 28, 2011 7:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

I have no idea WTF you just said.

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by IRockTheRed on Apr 28, 2011 7:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Going forward, we don’t know what will happen. In hindsight, we know what happened. And sometimes, it was an unlikely outcome (think Edmonton beating Chicago in a single, game for example). That’s just how it is.

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by red army line on Apr 28, 2011 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Are you implying that Varlamov would’ve lost that first round series had he started all potential games? I’d just like to continue picking your brain on this.

by cajuncook on Apr 28, 2011 7:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not at all; he didn’t, so we will never know.

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by IRockTheRed on Apr 28, 2011 7:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Statistics can be manipulated to say whatever you want them to.

I know me wading in here is probably the wrong thing to do, but are you saying that “gut feel” is unfettered by any outside influence or agenda?

I maintain that probability, odds, statistics, etc. do not – cannot – tell the whole story. And this just proves it yet again.

Probabilities are just that – probabilities. If something has a 4% chance of happening it doesn’t mean it won’t happen, just that it is not likely to happen. There is a big difference between 4% and 0%.

Statistically, Varlamov is the better goalie. Yet Michal Neuvirth has carried us through round 1.

Explain to me how Neuvirth’s success completely eliminates any potential success Varly would have had.

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by NGreenberg on Apr 28, 2011 7:47 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

1) No, gut feel isn’t unfettered by outside influence or agenda. I never said it was. I just said my personal gut said we’d get Tampa Bay because it was the least likely scenario, and I know what the Caps have had luck-wise that way for the last couple of years.

2) I know there’s a big difference between 4% and 0%, just like there’s a BIGGER difference between 96% and 4%. And if I could play the numbers in Vegas with that kind of odds and win, I sure’s hell wouldn’t be broke.

3) It doesn’t. But we do not know whether Varlamov would have won or lost, and can’t know now, so that is kindof a moot point. Yet it was brought up time and time again before it happened that Varly was our better chance in net. Since he wasn’t in net, and we won despite him being the “better chance” we’ll never know how he might or might not have done. But dismissing Neuvirth because Varlamov is statistically better is something I have never done.

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by IRockTheRed on Apr 28, 2011 7:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

No model accounts for all the variables acting on the item you’re studying.

And THAT is what I’ve been trying to say. Statistics are touted as the be-all and end-all, and sometimes, the statistics are just flat-out not right, because there ARE variables that can’t be accounted for.

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by IRockTheRed on Apr 28, 2011 8:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sometimes you believe in the stats. Sometimes you believe in the players.

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by NGreenberg on Apr 28, 2011 8:18 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Me, I’ll believe in the players. :-)

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by IRockTheRed on Apr 28, 2011 8:36 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

When I took a stats course, the last thing my professor told us was “remember, unusual events do occur”

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by miseenjeu on Apr 28, 2011 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Absoultley! Believing in stats is like believieng in global warming, even when thes tats were doctored.

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by ExPatCapFan on Apr 28, 2011 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also, I am not going to be able to mathematically quantify “gut feeling” and I’m not going to try. To try and put it in solid, mathematical terms is to inhibit its functionality. And don’t ask me to explain how it works, because I won’t be able to. Intuition is not mathematically quantifiable, yet I’ve been saying since the first time it came up that we’d get Tampa Bay, even though the number crunchers pooh-pooed me as that being the least likely scenario. I’m not going to try and explain it any further, except to say that numbers aren’t everything.

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by IRockTheRed on Apr 28, 2011 8:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Really, please read the book I recommended above. If you e-mail me your address I’ll even buy it for you (if you promise to read it cover to cover when it shows up) off Amazon because it’s, for some reason, worth $5 to me.

by cajuncook on Apr 28, 2011 8:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

I will. And some other insight into why I don’t go in for numbers. :-)

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by IRockTheRed on Apr 28, 2011 8:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

I haven’t read his more recent work on the topic of chance, but you can get an overview of The Black Swan from here. From a quick glance-over of his arguments, it might be more applicable, anyway.

by cajuncook on Apr 28, 2011 8:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Could I get one too? My head hurts, and Nate hasn’t even posted yet.

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by stemmer on Apr 28, 2011 8:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Crap, Nate has posted. Apologies sir. Statistics blur.

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by stemmer on Apr 28, 2011 8:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Am I Nate?

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by NGreenberg on Apr 28, 2011 8:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nate You Are. Green eggs and ham for breakfast today, is it?

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by stemmer on Apr 28, 2011 8:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

You’ve referred to me as Nate before, just was never sure it was me. Probably because my first name is Neil. ;-)

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by NGreenberg on Apr 28, 2011 8:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

“Nate” is “great” but “Neil” is “real”…feel free to use this tool.

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by ThePeerless on Apr 28, 2011 8:31 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

omg, what a fail. Have no idea where that came from. Shamed and embarrassed. I swear I remembered clicking on a link of yours and saw Nate. What a buffon I am.

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by stemmer on Apr 28, 2011 8:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

at least you didn’t refer to Neil as a “she.”

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by STLSpidey on Apr 28, 2011 8:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Still time.

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by NGreenberg on Apr 28, 2011 8:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Forgive me

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by stemmer on Apr 28, 2011 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

I blame Nate Silver. I’ve actually called Neil “Nate” in my head more than just a few times.

For what it’s worth, being compared to Nate Silver is pretty high praise, IMO.

by leacha on Apr 28, 2011 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

More likely it’s because my youngest kid loves the Nate the Great books, but your answer makes me looks better, so thanks.

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by stemmer on Apr 28, 2011 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

That’s easy via typo. Neil/Nell.

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by gfcaps fan on Apr 28, 2011 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Probably.

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by redlineblue on Apr 28, 2011 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

But you haven’t challenged my intellectual basis for life yet today.

by cajuncook on Apr 28, 2011 8:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

It’s still early.

What are the odds the Caps play DET in SCF?

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by stemmer on Apr 28, 2011 8:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Are we given that the Caps advance to the Finals? If so, about 28%. If not, about 11%.

by cajuncook on Apr 28, 2011 8:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

I meant not assuming, but thanks for both answers.

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by stemmer on Apr 28, 2011 8:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

If not, about 11%.

If they don’t advance to the finals, how do they have an 11% chance?

...duhhh....what's a goal?

by RedskinFan4Life on Apr 28, 2011 8:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think that was if we don’t assume that the Caps do advance to the finals, and they need to advance before they face the Bruins.

Or something…

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by IRockTheRed on Apr 28, 2011 8:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

so assuming vs not assuming changes the % chance?

okkkkkk……………

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by RedskinFan4Life on Apr 28, 2011 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Actually, yeah, it does.

If I’m getting this right.

If we assume the Caps already make the Finals, that eliminates everything standing between now and the Finals from the calculation…

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by IRockTheRed on Apr 28, 2011 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah. If we assume the Caps make it to the Finals, we assign them a 100% chance of winning their series before then. If not, we assign 50%, or 60%, or whatever is appropriate.

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by red army line on Apr 28, 2011 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

oh i see what is being implied now. thanks for clarifying. i never like to assume anything. i prefer to just win (12 more, 1 at a time)

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by RedskinFan4Life on Apr 28, 2011 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

There is a man after my own heart. :-)

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E-mail sent to the link in your profile. :-)

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by IRockTheRed on Apr 28, 2011 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hey Neil, what’s the Log5 analysis for TBL/WAS?

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by fat_daddyo on Apr 28, 2011 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Basically a coin flip. WSH has 51% chance on neutral ice.

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by NGreenberg on Apr 28, 2011 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wow. Closer than I thought.

Thanks.

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by fat_daddyo on Apr 28, 2011 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yea. Me too. Thought Caps would have ~60% chance to win on neutral ice.

I expect a lot of 2-3, 3-2 games.

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by NGreenberg on Apr 28, 2011 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Same method as last time? Pythag win expectation based on goal differential over last 30 games or so, then run the Log5?

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by fat_daddyo on Apr 28, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I ran it based on the points percentage in the last ~35 games (excluding the last games on the basis that neither team was playing for anything).

That analysis puts the Caps as 61.5% favorite, assuming I did it right.

Comes pretty close to cajuncook’s odds-based analysis.

Just throwing it out there.

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by fat_daddyo on Apr 28, 2011 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Never tell me the odds.

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by alisterio on Apr 28, 2011 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

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by OldPhil on Apr 28, 2011 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

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by MikeL-Pivonka on Apr 28, 2011 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

..

Mike Ricigliano created a cartoon about tonight’s NFL draft. The best part is the bottom box:
cartoon

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by bagace on Apr 28, 2011 7:15 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I understand that people, and I mean a LOT of people like the NFL, but watching the draft???

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by alisterio on Apr 28, 2011 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

During a lockout, no less. Freakin’ insane.

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by stemmer on Apr 28, 2011 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Our friends over at 106.7, Dukes and Arrington, actually had a segment where they asked listeners that if the Caps were playing tonight what would they watch, the draft or the Caps. And when all the callers said the Caps, Dukes and Arrington were actually incredulous that people wouldn’t prefer the draft. In fact, Dukes went as far to say that the callers didn’t represent the real fans. That should tell you all you need to know about where Chad Dukes and LaVar Arrington stand on hockey in DC.

by b.orr4 on Apr 28, 2011 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Of course Dukes and Arrington would say stuff like that. Their bread and butter is football. The Caps fans are making it hard for them to sound intelligent because they know less about hockey.

by redpezrocket on Apr 28, 2011 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, because the NFL draft will have DRAMA! Stuff it.

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by gfcaps fan on Apr 28, 2011 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

As bad as that was, ESPN980 had a poll on their website yesterday asking what would be more watched Thursday night: the NFL draft or the Lakers/New Orleans game.
Those were the only two choices.

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by bagace on Apr 28, 2011 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Someone’s bitter about not getting the TV contract

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by Bman21212 on Apr 28, 2011 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

They should’ve taken more calls

by reesem37 on Apr 28, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

lockout currently called off on account of court order. Of course, this could change again.

Still don’t understand watching the draft (and I played football growing up).

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by AMusingFool on Apr 28, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

I went to a draft party last year at my team’s stadium. Fun chance to see a bunch of fans in gear supporting the team in the middle of the off season. The programming was free and not bad, and you got a voucher for a free beer just for showing up.

Why do people go to Caps Fan Fest?

by discuit on Apr 28, 2011 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not talking about going to a draft party – that actually has some sort of social/fun aspect to it. I probably still wouldn’t go, but that’s just I.

I’m talking about freaking watching it on TV.

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by alisterio on Apr 28, 2011 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

If you’re not a football fan, you’re not going to get it. Watching the draft is actually quite interesting. You get to see the picks as they are made. The top guys are actually there at Radio City Music Hall and will go up on stage when their name is called and get handed a jersey and hat from their team and takes pics with their families and the commissioner and people from their new team.

The analysts have to take about every pick that is made and how that guy will fit into the team and whether or not they think it was a good pick. They show video of the players from college. The analysts also go over top guys still left undrafted.

They show the players at the draft in person waiting to be chosen, which is extremely entertaining if it’s a guy you hate (the courageous Brady Quinn would slipped down to around the 20th pick and suffered in front of America). The also show the tops guys waiting at home and their draft parties.

It might not be your cup of tea, but there is plenty involved in the draft coverage that is very entertaining for an NFL fan.

by vtcapsfan99 on Apr 28, 2011 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Plus, it’s not like hockey or baseball where the draft picks will spend years toiling in the minors/college. The guys drafted will be on the team right away.

by discuit on Apr 28, 2011 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

I guess I’ve spent too much time watching hockey and baseball — I get the impression that American colleges are the de facto farm system for football and basketball, the teams don’t have much of a commitment to player development, and the players have generally been catered to in high school and college.

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by miseenjeu on Apr 28, 2011 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Your impressions are pretty much right. However, the teams do continue the development, mainly in terms of refining skills previously developed.

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by timmyv38 on Apr 28, 2011 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I watched every draft live on tv in college. They were on Saturday mornings and I had nothing to do. It was actually pretty fun.

by leacha on Apr 28, 2011 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

I went to a bunch in the mid to late 80’s when they used to occur starting early on a weekday at the Marriott Marquis in NYC. My dad worked for the league, so I got to walk the floor. Never forget one year; we were a Giants family, but the stands (small) were filled with almost only Jets fans at 7, am cheering for the J-E-T-S. I asked my dad where the Giants fans were and he looked at me and said, “Giants fans actually have jobs, son.”

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by stemmer on Apr 28, 2011 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

I forgot to mention the fans at the draft, they are awesome. Very loud and opinionated and mostly cheering against picks they don’t like or for teams they hate. Although they can be amazing too. I still recall a few years back when there was a player from Army I believe who was there in his uniform and the entire audience chanted Caleb Campbell and USA for him. The guy got picked in the 6th round but he was a superstar that night, it was great.

by vtcapsfan99 on Apr 28, 2011 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Would kill to get a ticket to the draft. I think they still give out some first-come first-serve tickets but you have to get in line the night before (must be all jets fans).

by Karl W on Apr 28, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ugh, I find that between-picks wait interminable and filled with hate for Kiper Jr amping and amping, past the red line and beyond.

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by stemmer on Apr 28, 2011 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

The key is to not watch the draft on ESPN, watch on NFL network. Mike Mayock is 50 times better than Kiper could ever dream of being.

by vtcapsfan99 on Apr 28, 2011 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Mayock is fantastic. His entire life is the draft. He was on a pre-draft show yesterday and you could see him shaking with excitement. The guy has encyclopedic knowledge of every pick — and not in a Pierre McGuire way either.

by Karl W on Apr 28, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

For several years, my friends at the Faceoff Hockey Show have actually gotten press passes for the draft. I went with them to the Columbus (Karl Alzener) and Ottawa (Angus/John Carlson) drafts. It was a blast. I skipped L.A. because i didn’t want to pay for the flight, and will skip Minnesota as well, but I’m hoping its in an East coast city in 2012.

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by Sombrero Guy on Apr 28, 2011 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

er *Alzner. Stupid typos.

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by Sombrero Guy on Apr 28, 2011 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

you’re skipping Minnesota?! I bet it’s going to be a blast. Plus, the snow might have melted by June.

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by RedBirdie on Apr 28, 2011 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

haha yeah, I’m sure it will be. If not for two weekends away for weddings in July I’d have gone. Getting OT so I’ll leave it at that..

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by Sombrero Guy on Apr 28, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

You just gave me a nice idea for a short vacation . . . the NHL draft ought to be fun and no problem getting tickets for that.

by Karl W on Apr 28, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

the Twin Cities are pretty awesome, too. e-mail me or hit me up in OT if you want more info.

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by RedBirdie on Apr 28, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

ahh nice thought to go to the draft, but I have to be in Minneapolis a little earlier in June so the timing doesn’t work out for me.

by vtcapsfan99 on Apr 28, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

And if you an avid NFL fan you probably could care less about the NHL. Anything NFL is automatically of more interest.

by reesem37 on Apr 28, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

my problem with the NFL draft is that it’s so tedious to watch. it just drags on forever and the “analysis” is less than insightful more often than not.

by Beakers Lab on Apr 28, 2011 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

They’ve tried to address that in recent years by shortening the time between picks, but even if they made teams choose rapid-fire 1-minute-on-the-clock, it wouldn’t be for everybody, to be sure. If you really, really like the NFL or college football (and I stress that you have to like the leagues, or at least passionately follow one team, and not necessarily just the game of football itself), it’s good entertainment. Otherwise I understand why it can seem kind of inane.

by cajuncook on Apr 28, 2011 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

I love football and I get incredibly bored! The most fun I had last draft was calling my buddy, who is a Jaguars fan, and making fun of him for drafting Alualu from Cal. Plus, I hate the “experts”, cuz for the most part, they dont know shit! They can pick a top 3 easy, but get too deep and its all guess work. Their like Ernie Grunfeld, its easy to pick John Wall but who can you get at 23?

by LoveThatJoker on Apr 28, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

you can’t understand watching the NFL draft, but you come to this blog and participate

That is 100% correct. Nice to know when someone understands exactly what you say.

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by alisterio on Apr 28, 2011 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

i’m sorry, i don’t understand. japers’ rink is participatory and thus different than watching the NFL draft?

by Natty Bumppo on Apr 28, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t understand why people want to watch the draft.

I like coming here and discussing Caps minutae.

I don’t find those two scenarios at odds with each other.

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by alisterio on Apr 28, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

so you wouldn’t come here if you couldn’t comment?

by Natty Bumppo on Apr 28, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not sure.

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by alisterio on Apr 28, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ya, I would probably because of all the links to Caps news.

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by alisterio on Apr 28, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

me too. to be clear, i think of both japers’ rink and the NFL draft as forms of information overload. in both hockey and football, i crave news and information. spending two plus days analyzing picks even in the latest rounds is the exact type of thing that we do here (e.g. trying to find NHL comparables for cody eakin). i can’t call up my friends and bitch about percy harvin falling to the 22nd pick unless i actually watch the thing, and of course because i’m a fan of the NFL i do enjoy the analysis whether i agree with it or not…ditto for everything put out by the editors of this site.

by Natty Bumppo on Apr 28, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Do you feel the same way about people that watch the NHL draft?

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by Rob Parker on Apr 28, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

How do you think I “feel” about people who watch the NFL draft?

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by alisterio on Apr 28, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

you “don’t understand” them?

by Natty Bumppo on Apr 28, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Here’s how it started: I didn’t understand them.

After reading several posts about it, I can see why people would want to watch. Personally, in the little time in my life that I can watch TV, I wouldn’t spend it watching the draft.

I’d much rather prefer to read about it when I’m supposed to be working. Like right now.

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by alisterio on Apr 28, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

okay we’re cool. sorry didn’t mean to come off as attacking you.

by Natty Bumppo on Apr 28, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t watch either, personally, but the NHL draft is a different beast for me. I follow college football pretty closely, so I know who many of the drafted players are and for some reason that makes me care less about the draft. That and the league has such parity that a single draft pick wont really turn a team around.

The NHL is a different situation. I don’t know most of the players, so I’m interested in the details of the guys that my team drafts. Though I am much more likely to find that info here, rather than on TV. That, and there is a little more drama, because a very lucky (or skillful) pick, especially early in the first round, can be the catalyst for turning a franchise around. Can’t get that in the NFL.

Pitt had four straight 1st or 2nd overall picks and now they are contenders every year. It seems like the Lions have had 600,000 1st overall picks over the last 15 years and have done jack shit. One makes things interesting, the other is the kind of trainwreck that is too boring to watch.

/thats my opinion, at least…and opinions are like assholes…

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by renstar on Apr 28, 2011 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

It seems like the Lions have had 600,000 1st overall picks over the last 15 years and have done jack shit.

That’s because Matt Millen used 599,999 of those picks on WRs.

by HockeyGoalie29 on Apr 28, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like watching the draft, because you get to find out information about a lot of prospects you might not have heard of. That’s actually my main reason.

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by timmyv38 on Apr 28, 2011 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’ll read about it…it’s only my opinion, but I can think of at least 10 other things I’d rather do than listen to mostly bad announcers analyze draft picks.

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by alisterio on Apr 28, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

I love the draft.

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by nolan084 on Apr 28, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

can’t wait to see the tight end or WR the Redskins take with #1 !

by Karl W on Apr 28, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Ugh

They need to trade down and acquire more picks, if possible. I was going to gag the other day when I heard they were interested in trading up until I realized that 7% of what we hear right around the draft is true.

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by nolan084 on Apr 28, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

While comparing the allure of the NHL and NFL drafts is fine, let’s move the “who the Skins pick?” discussion to the OTOT thread please.

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by Bald Pollack on Apr 28, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

The lightning better pray Roloson stays healthy. If Mike Smith has to take over in net, the series is over before he even makes it halfway to the crease :P

Weird. In the West it’s 1,2,3,5. Same in the west.

by Brainumbc on Apr 28, 2011 7:38 AM EDT reply actions  

first time 1, 2, 3, 5 from both conferences has ever happened, I believe.

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by RedBirdie on Apr 28, 2011 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

The upsets of last year are already impossible. It is not like the series weren’t close, but for the only upsets to be in the 4/5 seeds seems odd.

by sailchef1 on Apr 28, 2011 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just means that so far, for once, the overall play of the regular season is a good measuring stick for how teams seemed to play in the playoffs this year

by Brainumbc on Apr 28, 2011 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sure the two 5 seeds were the only upsets, but how many game 7’s did we have? VAN-CHI, PHI-BUF, BOS-MON, PIT-TB, so there were plenty of chances for more upsets, but those were the only ones we got

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by Elliotte on Apr 28, 2011 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

…And it’s really hard to call a 5 over a 4 an “upset” in many cases. Nashville and Anaheim both had 99 points, for example.

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by PaintDrinkingPete on Apr 28, 2011 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

I had to go look this up; since I was curious. The largest gap since the lockout was 110-pt BUF vs 101 PHI in 05-06. Three times over that timespan the gap was zero. Seems to average about two games, with the West averaging larger gaps than the East. Not sure that really means anything, of course, but it’s interesting.

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by AMusingFool on Apr 28, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

110/101 in a 4/5 match up? That’s crazy.

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by Rob Parker on Apr 28, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Without looking I’d say they were probably second in the conference in points, but behind the division winner.

by cajuncook on Apr 28, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I believe Ottawa won the division, as that was still in the last few years of their regular season dominance. The next season it flipped when Buffalo’s O went nuts and they won the division and Ottawa took the 4 seed and went to the Cup Finals.

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by Killer_Carlson on Apr 28, 2011 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

bingo. Three points behind, maybe? (Closed that window)

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by AMusingFool on Apr 28, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

1,2,5,6 from both conferences advanced in 2008

by panic13 on Apr 28, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Anyone predicting 1-2 and 1-2 in the conf finals?

For this round I’m predicting WSH vs BOS and DET vs NSH

by Brainumbc on Apr 28, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d swap NSH for VAN. Vancouver went from being far and away the most overrated team in the playoffs to one of the most underrated teams in 4 games. They’re still sick, and I don’t think NSH holds a candle to CHI. Then again… goaltending. NSH could definitely win in 6, but I worry that one will only go 5.

by cajuncook on Apr 28, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Good luck next round, gentlemen/women. I see the Caps taking this one in 5 games.

I may be a terrible, terrible fan, but I am relieved that the Penguins are eliminated. They were painful to watch at the end of the season when they hit a wall and were circling the drain. I did not want the Pens to play the Caps and get swept, thus exorcising all those playoff demons. Now, I can watch and enjoy the NHL playoffs stress free for the next month and a half.

Well, stress free other than my rooting against the Caps/Flyers…but you guys understand ;)

by Link_Gaetz on Apr 28, 2011 7:38 AM EDT reply actions  

For what it’s worth, a rather nice second half minus your two top guns nonetheless, and you got some longer looks at guys who may be up next year hopefully.

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by Bald Pollack on Apr 28, 2011 7:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, it was definitely….interesting. Some youngsters look promising for next year, but others (Letestu, Conner) just became painful to watch. Like really, really painful to watch.

Almost as painful as Kovalev.

by Link_Gaetz on Apr 28, 2011 7:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Pens’ game was overall painful to watch. It seemed to be depend on Fleury to bail them out and win in a shootout.

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by CapsFan75 on Apr 28, 2011 7:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

That’s definitely true. Although I was really impressed with Fleury’s play this season. This was the first year where he played well the ENTIRE season (sans the first few games). Before, he could never seem to put together anything more than hot stretches.

by Link_Gaetz on Apr 28, 2011 8:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

It was more than the first few, though. There were some serious worries early season.

by Berube Doobie Doo on Apr 28, 2011 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

After watching the Caps go 1-33 on the PP against Montreal last year, I thought that dubious achievement would never be duplicated and then the Pens went ahead and topped it. I don’t think I’ll ever figure this game out.

by b.orr4 on Apr 28, 2011 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

And the PP to close Game 7, down by 1? Rich.

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by red army line on Apr 28, 2011 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

But that’s how they played the entire season. Hang to the end and win in OT or a SO. Not a bad strategy given the relative lack of offensive power. Can work in the playoffs as well, in theory.

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by STLSpidey on Apr 28, 2011 8:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

no team got more out of their roster in the last half of the season than the Penguins

Devils had a damn good second half as well…

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by NJNJ on Apr 28, 2011 8:42 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

until we ruined it by taking Arnott away….

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by RedskinFan4Life on Apr 28, 2011 8:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

They were on the downswing at that point. He made the right choice.

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by gfcaps fan on Apr 28, 2011 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

disagree with you there about the downswing part.

if you look at the NJD schedule, they started their hot streak on Jan. 6 and in that span from Jan 9. to the date we got Arnott (Feb 28 trade deadline), the Devils lost only 3 games (two in OT, one to Detroit). After that trade, the Devils were only 12-9. That shows how important Arnott’s leadership was, even if he was not a 1C or 2C in NJ anymore.

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by RedskinFan4Life on Apr 28, 2011 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

After I posted that I sort of had second thoughts. Oops.

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by gfcaps fan on Apr 28, 2011 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

on the other hand, its probably unfair to imply Arnott was the sole reason for their winning ways, but I can’t deny that he was a major factor.

he’s certainly changed things around the Caps locker room.

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by RedskinFan4Life on Apr 28, 2011 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Meh, I agree he’s been clutch on the ice but think the whole leadership thing is overrated. Most of the stories about Arnott’s leadership have come from Arnott. Just don’t believe that a guy comes in in March and starts correcting bad attitudes and sloppy habits in a first place team, which had been overlooked by the coaches all year. Arnott has always had the reputation of being arrogant. He’s been on five teams (six if you count the Devil’s twice). I’m thinking his great leadership abilities would have been prevented him from having journeyman status.

But he is clutch on the ice.

by Karl W on Apr 28, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed, this has always bothered me about Arnott.

by leacha on Apr 28, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed. I’m pretty miffed that he’s been getting so much attention from the media in Washington… although maybe in some vague way it’s better to give him the media attention than the core players. I don’t know. Looking down the road, I would hate for the “real” stars of this team to not get their due just because there’s a(nother) veteran Canadian in town with playoff experience.

by cajuncook on Apr 28, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Most of it has come from Arnott? I remember him saying something about that first game, but lots of other guys have commented on his leadership. AO, Alzner, GMGM, Backstrom. Pretty much everyone that gets asked about it.

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by Rob Parker on Apr 28, 2011 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Cosigned.

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by WordsOnIce on Apr 28, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t know that the other players would be willing to play along if it weren’t in some way kind of true. And we know that Ovi and Arnott are good friends now, and that can’t possibly be true if everyone thinks he’s arrogant.

by redpezrocket on Apr 28, 2011 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe he and Neuvy sit together in the no one-likes-me-everybody-hates-me corner in the locker room.

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by WordsOnIce on Apr 28, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

What are they supposed to say when they get asked about it? “Naaah, he’s alright but… naaaaah.”

by cajuncook on Apr 28, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s not that, I feel like they’ve been volunteering nice things, not reeling off PC crap when cornered.

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by WordsOnIce on Apr 28, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, exactly. Like, I don’t think they’re lying or embellishing when they say he’s done a good job.

by redpezrocket on Apr 28, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Most of the stories about Arnott’s leadership have come from Arnott.

This is the second time I’ve read this on here, as well as the arrogance and ‘journeyman’ status.

First of all, I’ve heard both 8 and 21 talk about how awesome it is to have him around, both for leadership and experience. Those are the two I remember. I don’t remember any coming from him – I guess he must have said something but I’d like to see some links / quotes before I believe that.

Second, Knuble has been on five teams and I’m not sure anyone refers to him that way. Since free agency started in any sports league, 6 teams is a lot but not at all uncommon. And if he were such an arrogant “leader”, I can’t believe that no one has dug these stories (meaning quotes from coaches / players / writers) up since he is getting soooo much love.

I prefer his status as the Capitals Lifecoach / SeminWhisperer.

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by alisterio on Apr 28, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I don’t really care whether or not he is an effective leader, to be honest — the way he is being treated in the local media is as though he single-handedly turned this team into a playoff contender. That’s the attitude that bothers me. He has certainly been an asset on the ice, and I’m sure he’s given some help off the ice, but in no way is he the focal point that has rallied this team into Eastern-Conference-favorite-status.

Check out this article from Dallas mid-season… I’m sure all of that locker-room awesomeness the players talk about in there helped them down the stretch… oh. People want to create stories to describe what they can’t explain. I’m down with the media doing that, because it’s only human to make order out of randomness. But at some point it gets out of hand. It disappoints me, is all.

by cajuncook on Apr 28, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I look at more as him providing a missing ingredient – an ingredient this team seemed to need. I can see where his personality might not fly on a lot of other teams or in other situations – but he really does seem to fit this Caps team. And I think acknowledging that doesn’t take away from the importance of all the other Caps.

by MikeBrady on Apr 28, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

You could put Mark Messier on a crappy team, with a crappy coach and his leadership wouldn’t get them into the playoffs. The Capitals were getting in without him, but it’s probably more than a coincidence that they’ve lost once since acquiring him. Is it more due to the fact that it gives the Caps 4 complete lines? Probably, but just because Dallas’ leadership didn’t help them doesn’t mean that 44’s leadership doesn’t help the Caps.

There’s no question the media is running with this – everytime I see something about him I think:

Jason Arnott can make onions cry.
Jason Arnott doesn’t know where you live, but he knows where you’ll die.
Jason Arnott invented Thomas Edison.

But saying “most the stories about his leadership come from Jason Arnott” is patently false, and his reputation for arrogance is as of this point, completely fabricated. Perhaps there is something to back that up out there that’s not some fan of Edmonton in the 90s, but I haven’t seen it.

Going 180° from the lovefest is worse, imo.

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by alisterio on Apr 28, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

No, I agree. I don’t think he should be villianized, even if he were locker-room cancer. Calling him arrogant is probably unfair, possibly untrue. I would just strongly prefer a “this team is kicking ass and Arnott fills a role (on or off the ice, I don’t care) that desperately needed filling” as opposed to “Arnott is a playoff-demon exorcising badass and is responsible for much of the team’s current success.”

by cajuncook on Apr 28, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the stats are something like when Arnott plays we’re 15-0. But it’s like 25-0 when Semin scores. So you know, Semin must be the greatest dude EVER. :)

Quirky stats are quirky, but I don’t put too much stock in the stuff that attributes some kind of extraordinary ability to a player.

by redpezrocket on Apr 28, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Semin scoring is hugely important to the team. But we’re not 25-0 when Semin plays, which is the more important stat. Showing up and consistency and all that.

And the Arnott=Win stat does have a fair amount of luck to it, but it seems like he’s a good influence and leader which makes the stat bear some relevance.

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by Bman21212 on Apr 28, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

just catching up on everyone’s comments re: Arnott.

interesting takes…..but one thing I didn’t see mention. Someone mentioned not believing that he’s telling them stuff that coaches overlooked. I don’t disagree that maybe he’s telling them the same stuff coaches are. But maybe they’ll listen to a peer more than a coach. Ya know?

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by RedskinFan4Life on Apr 28, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can definitely see that happening. Arnott is brough in as a leader, so people listen to him. One example that could have happen is he says cut your shift length, and people listen even though Bruce has been preaching the same things.

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by Bman21212 on Apr 29, 2011 3:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is the best way to do it. Don’t hyperbolize, don’t make him out to be things he’s not. He is for sure a 2C, and an element that was missing. I just wish more people could stick to that.

by leacha on Apr 28, 2011 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

The elephant then, i assume is Semin?

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by OviWankenobi on Apr 28, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

So when the Caps lose the feather (Arnott in free agency) and still win, will that mean that they never needed it/him in the first place?

by RCheli on Apr 28, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or just that they’ve outgrown it/him.

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by AMusingFool on Apr 28, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

finally learned how to use their ears…..uhm, wait a min…..

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by RedskinFan4Life on Apr 28, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, Dumbo needed the feather.

It’s just that, then again, he didn’t.

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by Gould Old Days on Apr 28, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

How much cap space can you afford to spend on a feather, though? That money might go towards new vertical stabilizers and cushy landing gear.

by Berube Doobie Doo on Apr 28, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Apparently $6.7 MM.

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by Steckel Me Elmo on Apr 28, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

But then how do you explain them having the worst record in the NHL through January? Why didn’t Arnott lead them out of last place?

by Karl W on Apr 28, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

you got me there….. maybe a sense of urgency knowing his time was running out for another Cup?

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by RedskinFan4Life on Apr 28, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think the margin for Pittsburgh was all that thin. Not getting Montreal’d on the power play, and not getting Los Angeles’d on the PK would have made this a short series with a Pittsburgh win, I think. By the margin with which they outshot Tampa with the score tied, they could have received replacement level goaltending and won most of their games. It didn’t happen that way, but I credit that more to special teams than missing two (granted, great) players.

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by red army line on Apr 28, 2011 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

1-for 35 on the power play (2.9 percent)

No goals on 77 shots from their defensemen (the Pens had 33 goals from defensemen this season).

No one guy is to blame in a seven-game series loss, but Kris Letang needed to come up bigger than he did in this series.

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by ThePeerless on Apr 28, 2011 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

5 minor penalties for Letang, too.

by Berube Doobie Doo on Apr 28, 2011 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Part of me kind of hope Letang becomes the media’s new Mike Green.

by leacha on Apr 28, 2011 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

unlikely. when was the last time a Penguin was called out for underperforming?

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by RedBirdie on Apr 28, 2011 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Malkin, 2009-2010?

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by Wheeler on Apr 28, 2011 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think I’ve ever seen Malkin seriously called out for anything, especially not his growing list of dirty hits.

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by Killer_Carlson on Apr 28, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Shrek is the Dirtiest Player who Never Gets Called Dirty. The stickwork and cheapshots are as reliable a part of his game as, say, full-bore effort.

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by redlineblue on Apr 28, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

As a whole, many Penguins (Orpik and Letand also come to mind) get away with a lot of cheap hits, and nasty stick work.

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by Sombrero Guy on Apr 28, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Another guy that gets away with a lot of cheap hits and nasty stick work is Chris Pronger.

What say you, hockey gods???

by RAGthaman on Apr 28, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pronger has a reputation as being “Dirty” though

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by Sombrero Guy on Apr 28, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hah, yeah. Pronger definitely isn’t flying under the radar on that one.

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by Knee high to a duck on Apr 28, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

True but he gets away with a lot more than he gets called for.

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by RAGthaman on Apr 28, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pronger’s also not a Pen….

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by RedskinFan4Life on Apr 28, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Quoth DGB: “Dammit Pronger”

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by Gould Old Days on Apr 28, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, he was called out pretty hard last year for not producing points when he was in the lineup. For that matter, he was called out this year, too. Perhaps not on these fine boards, though.

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by Wheeler on Apr 28, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t know if he was called out. People were definitely talking about him having an off-season, but there was always a tone that it’s just a slump that he would bounce back from. It wasn’t anything like the criticism AO got this year for his drop in production, or the criticism that guys like Thornton, or Lecavalier or several other stars have received.

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by Killer_Carlson on Apr 28, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not getting Montreal’d on the power play, and not getting Los Angeles’d on the PK would have made this a short series with a Pittsburgh win, I think.

I think, in part, this is why F&B, myself and others look askance at statistical analyses that only account for ES or 5v5 play. It might be the easiest to model, or might provide the best predictive value over the course of a large sample, but it’s a poor indication of actual outcomes in a playoff series because so much of the action occurs in special teams play.

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by D'ohboy on Apr 28, 2011 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

The problem is exactly sample size, but you’re right. I feel like I’ve seen more stat-based series analysis look at SF/SA on the PP/SH recently, but that could be a mental fabrication.

by cajuncook on Apr 28, 2011 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

It might be the easiest to model, or might provide the best predictive value over the course of a large sample, but it’s a poor indication of actual outcomes in a playoff series because so much of the action occurs in special teams play.

I’m not sure how to better account for special teams, honestly. If you surrender 30 PP chances, the difference between the Caps’ PK of this year and of last year is 2 goals. I definitely consider shots, but with 70% or whatever of the game at ES and the power plays/penalty kills all within a handful of goals of each other, it’s tough to judge exactly what impact special teams will have.

I mean, the Pens had the #1 PK by efficiency, and their PK in the playoffs was terrible. The Flyers had the #1 PK by shots, and it wasn’t pretty against Buffalo.

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by red army line on Apr 28, 2011 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

HA. Oh, Kovalev….er, sorry, L_G. Valiant effort by your boys.

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by Becca H on Apr 28, 2011 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, stress free other than my rooting against the Caps/Flyers…but you guys understand ;)

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by stemmer on Apr 28, 2011 7:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

You’re not the only one relieved to see the Pens eliminated. Count me in that camp as well. While the Caps could probably beat the Pens, it would be a costly victory. The last two games the Caps played against them, they won but got a significant player injured. Green was hurt by an Orpik slapshot in one. (Okay, not deliberate.) Backstrom had a thumb fractured, thanks to a slash from one of the Pens.

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by CapsFan75 on Apr 28, 2011 7:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

True. Although I think this Pens team was so burnt out from playing out of their asses for 3 months that they had nothing left. The physicality just wasn’t there. It would have been an embarrassing short series.

by Link_Gaetz on Apr 28, 2011 7:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Given the fact that they’d be getting almost no rest between series would contribute to even more burnout.

Except I can’t imagine an embarrassing short series for the Pens.

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by CapsFan75 on Apr 28, 2011 7:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

hell of a run, given the circumstances. I admit I expected them to crash after the first week or two without the big guns. Disco Dan for Jack Addams, hands down.

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by Sombrero Guy on Apr 28, 2011 7:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

I would agree with that last sentence, but I am certainly biased.

by Link_Gaetz on Apr 28, 2011 8:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh,

Before you go, the fuck was this?

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by Bald Pollack on Apr 28, 2011 8:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

? Picture fail.

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by stemmer on Apr 28, 2011 8:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

GIF of the Moore interference/Letang diving. I guess mocksession doesn’t allow hosting.

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by Bald Pollack on Apr 28, 2011 8:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Linkage.

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by Bald Pollack on Apr 28, 2011 8:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah… WTF was that?

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by ThePeerless on Apr 28, 2011 8:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, I’m definitely not biased towards the Pens, but I agree Bylsma should be a lock.

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by bagace on Apr 28, 2011 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

I know I didn’t want the Caps to face a frustrated Cooke in his first series back, that’s just asking for an injury or two or a retaliation penalty.

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by Elliotte on Apr 28, 2011 8:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Honestly, that’s the biggest part of no having to face the Pens. Caps could easily have beat them, but there was just too good of a chance that someone was going to be seriously hurt by him along the way.

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by gfcaps fan on Apr 28, 2011 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

I see this as a huge indictment against the league. The fact that our main concern with the Pens was that our players could get injured (intentionally) says the league has failed to really solve the root problem.

Sure, it suspended Cooke for the first round and that most likely contributed to the Pens’ elimination, but that’s not to say Cooke’s antics can’t happen next season, either. Players like Cooke don’t learn from their mistakes.

by redpezrocket on Apr 28, 2011 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

I guess we have to wait until October to find out for sure.

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by gfcaps fan on Apr 28, 2011 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

I like our injury chances against the Pens better than injury chances against the Flyers (or even the Bruins, but that could be debatable.)

by capsfan4 on Apr 28, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

You know best, but did you feel like Tampa’s D was more responsible for silencing the Pens offense or was it simply the lack of skill that did the Pens in? I’m trying to gauge whether or not the Lightning can carry over the D/goalie performance to the Caps series, and my gut says no.

by Kolzilla on Apr 28, 2011 8:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Tampa played “Caps lite” after they got Roloson. With a lot less fanfare than has accompanied the change with the Caps, the Lightning are playing a pack-it-in defense that tries to keep everything to the outside. They resemble last year’s Momtreal team in those respects. They can be a frustrating team to play. But I’m not sold on Roloson. If Neuvirth played an “offensively challenged” team in the Rangers, Roloson played as least as challenged a team in the Penguins.

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by ThePeerless on Apr 28, 2011 8:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

the key appears to be getting the early lead to prevent them from dropping into that 1-3-1.

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by Beakers Lab on Apr 28, 2011 8:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Didn’t the Caps employ the tactic of the D standing inside their only blue line and playing catch to get the Bolts out of this 1-3-1,where the lead forward is in the neutral zone?

Guarantee you they do it again if the Bolts drop back. Pull that lead forward in to create space.

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by STLSpidey on Apr 28, 2011 8:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bolts weren’t prepared for that in the regular season game. They’ll be ready and patient if the caps try it again. It might end up looking like this

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by Sombrero Guy on Apr 28, 2011 8:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think they’ll be ready, but it should pull them out of the 1-3-1.

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by STLSpidey on Apr 28, 2011 8:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

its a clip from one of the simpsons soccer episodes, where the team passes it back and forth to each other and nobody really attacks the ball

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by Sombrero Guy on Apr 28, 2011 8:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

That’s got to be classic soccer defense for an offensively challenged team with the lead. I remember one of the teams my son played against was notorious for that.

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by gfcaps fan on Apr 28, 2011 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Getting the 1st goal isn’t exactly the Caps’ modus operandi.

by Berube Doobie Doo on Apr 28, 2011 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

And shame on the Pens for allowing the same gimmick goal in two straight games where the Tampa forward carries the puck behind the net and then, at the last instant, passes the puck behind him for an easy tap in by the trailing forward. I can see getting burned once on that play but to lose a series on it in a deciding game seven? That’s unacceptable.

by b.orr4 on Apr 28, 2011 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

I thought the same thing. There better not be any goals like that allowed by the Caps since they know about the move and have GOT to be aware of it

by Beakers Lab on Apr 28, 2011 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

I noticed that. Really slick move. Caps need to be ready for that.

Caps should also have Rolo’s cross-handed style in mind when he goes to play the puck behind the net. The Pens got a great goal off that in game 6 from Talbot & Dupius anticipating it.

by Berube Doobie Doo on Apr 28, 2011 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Rags tried it all series. We should be more than ready.

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by Rob Parker on Apr 28, 2011 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Roloson faced 108 more shots than Neuvy in only two more games, and has a slightly higher save % (very, very close).

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by stemmer on Apr 28, 2011 8:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Roloson had a somewhat easy shutout last night, for a 36-save shutout.

Tampa’s D is thin and soft. The Penguins just do not have the firepower to beat anyone.

by Link_Gaetz on Apr 28, 2011 8:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

There we go, getting all subjective again. My point is that I would doubt that Neuvy faced a significantly higher percentage of “quality” shots than Roloson did, given the two teams’ scoring capabilities, so Caps fans glossing over Roloson scares me. As does hoping he gets injured because he’s old. Guy has had a pretty great few months, and just won a game 7 on the road with a SO.

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by stemmer on Apr 28, 2011 8:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

I would doubt that Neuvy faced a significantly higher percentage of "quality" shots than Roloson did

I would be shocked if Neuvy faced more “quality” shots than Roloson. NYR had a TON of difficulty generating scoring chances, and I think had three periods where they were 2 or under.

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by NGreenberg on Apr 28, 2011 8:33 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

You’ve got to think that Stamkos, St Louis & Lecavalier won’t have as much difficulty… The job’s gonna get harder, Neuvy.

by Berube Doobie Doo on Apr 28, 2011 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

This.

I’m really interested to see Neuvy go up against TB’s forwards. It’ll be an entirely different ballgame.

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by LucyImHome on Apr 28, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I respect Roloson because, like many NHL goalies, he’s capable of playing well and getting hot. But I’m not intimidated by him. If Tampa drops back into a shell to protect a lead, the Caps will get their chances and Rolo is going to have to be stellar in those situations. Is he capable of doing it? Sure. But I’ll take my chances.

by Kolzilla on Apr 28, 2011 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Caps fans glossing over Roloson scares me

Nobody’s glossing over Roloson, but he’s 41-years old and he’s played in 61 games this season (four in the last week) and now he has to come back and play another four in six days (actually five days if you go by 24-hour periods). By comparison, Neuvirth is 23 and he’s played in just 53 games and he’ll have six day rest heading into Friday night. Experience is great, but at some point you have to believe fatigue is going to take over.

by b.orr4 on Apr 28, 2011 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

And he knows there’s no one else to back him up. That’s a lot of pressure.

by redpezrocket on Apr 28, 2011 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

we need Panger to interview him again and remind him of his unblemished record a few more times to really get into his head.

that said I was incredibly impressed that at 41 he can sustain such a high level of play.

by Beakers Lab on Apr 28, 2011 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Panger: Are you aware of your new record?
Roloson: I don’t want to know.
Panger: Okay..I won’t say it’s unblemished.
Roloson: ….okay.
Panger: It’s unpock-marked.

by redpezrocket on Apr 28, 2011 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

I completely agree with this assessment, but that doesn’t mean I have to like the schedule either.

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by gfcaps fan on Apr 28, 2011 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

I actually love the schedule. This series will be as much about attrition as it will be about talent. The Caps are a bigger, faster and fresher team with great depth on all four lines, defense and goal. Generals always say that in a war they want more boots on the ground. Well, for once, the Caps are the side with more boots.

by b.orr4 on Apr 28, 2011 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Respectfully disagree on the glossing. I consider comments such as “No way Roloson keeps this up,” or “Roloson’s old and bound to get tired/injured,” to be underestimating him at the risk of future disappointment. Why wasn’t he tired in game 7 last night? How do we assess where his proverbial wall lies? Why couldn’t it be in late May instead of early May?

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by stemmer on Apr 28, 2011 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, fans might gloss or underestimate, but the only thing that matters is that the Caps don’t underestimate him. I think that at 41, Roloson is still showing that he can steal games. And he probably was tired last night, but the Pens didn’t exactly come out guns blazing. He has this ability to work through it all. That’s what veterans do.

by redpezrocket on Apr 28, 2011 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Without Crosby, Malkin and to some extent Cooke, the Pens are basically a compiliation of second, third and fourth liners with the emphasis on the last two. The Pens that played last night have nothing to compare to guys like Ovechkin, Backstrom, Semin, Arnott, etc. The Pens may have a had a lot of chances and a bunch of them may have been quality chances, but there’s a world of difference when a quality shot is being taken by Tyler Kennedy as opposed to Semin or Ovechkin.

by b.orr4 on Apr 28, 2011 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree, but the Caps still can’t underestimate Roloson. He is a great goalie, and this won’t be a cakewalk.

by redpezrocket on Apr 28, 2011 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

I fully expect it to go at least six, probably seven.

by b.orr4 on Apr 28, 2011 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m saying 5 or 6. Tampa will be facing a much better offense and a defense that is almost as good, if not as good, as last round. I just don’t think they have the defense to overcome that.

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by timmyv38 on Apr 28, 2011 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

No way Caps Top-4 is as good as Pitt’s. The Caps bottom pair is a lot better than Lovejoy and Niskanen, though.

I’ll be interested to see if the Caps can replicate Pitt’s zone domination over TBL. If they can come even close, it’ll be interesting.

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by fat_daddyo on Apr 28, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Um..punctuation goes a long way.

Did you mean:

“No way. Caps’ Top-4 is as good as Pitt’s” meaning that the Caps’ top 4 is just as good as Pittsburgh…

or

“No way (that) Caps’ top-4 is as good as Pitt’s” meaning that the Caps’ top 4 are NOT as good as Pittsburgh’s?

Cause you missing punctuation there really changes things.

by redpezrocket on Apr 28, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Utilization of context goes a long way as well. I think the word “though” in his second sentence tells you which one he meant.

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by LucyImHome on Apr 28, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice.

You are correct.

Pitt’s Top 4 D is better than the Caps’ Top 4 D.

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by fat_daddyo on Apr 28, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I do agree with that, but the bottom pair is the equalizer. The Caps have 3 pairs who can be put out against almost anyone, with no real weak points.

Also, I was referring to the Caps team defense, not just the dmen. The Caps system has been very effective in that regard.

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by timmyv38 on Apr 28, 2011 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Okay, point taken. I disagree, though. Alzner, Carlson, Green, and Hannan are my top 4. I’m not basing on pairs.

by redpezrocket on Apr 28, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

No way Caps Top-4 is as good as Pitt’s.

Who are the top four for Pitt again? Orpik-Letang, Martin-Michalek? Hmm…might have to disagree with your statement there. If you consider the top 4 D for the Caps to be Green, Hannan, Carlson, Schultz I’d put them against the Pens’ four any day. And Letang was AWFUL in that series.

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On what planet isn’t Karl Alzner a top-4 D for this team right now?

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by J.P. on Apr 28, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Er…I meant Alzner, not Schultz. Eff.

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by Becca H on Apr 28, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

But since Green doesn’t play with Hannan you can’t compare those four players to the Pens’ top-2 lines.

The Caps are better 1-6, but as far as the top two pairings go I’d take the Pens.

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by LucyImHome on Apr 28, 2011 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sometimes he does.

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by Becca H on Apr 28, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

How does Green’s TOI with Hannan compare with his TOI with Schultz?

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by LucyImHome on Apr 28, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Restricting yourself purely to the time since Hannan arrived, one would presume.

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by AMusingFool on Apr 28, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

and games Green played. Which, all of a sudden, limits things quite a bit

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by Gould Old Days on Apr 28, 2011 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would Alzner ahead of Carlson, IMO.

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by RAGthaman on Apr 28, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would put Alzner ahead of Carlson, IMO

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by RAGthaman on Apr 28, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m with daddyo, The Pens top-4 are pretty awesome, as evidenced by how they had to essentially carry that team in the absence of any real offense firepower.

Plus I don’t think the top-4 you mentioned are the Caps top-4. Hannan doesn’t play with Carlson

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by LucyImHome on Apr 28, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not referring to which guys play with which partners, though – these are the four (Alzner, not Schultz, typo there) that I consider to be the top 4 D for the Caps. They’re able to spread them around a bit because of the depth, while the Pens really can’t trust Lovejoy or Niskanen w/ the same minutes they’d give to the other guys.

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by Becca H on Apr 28, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Caps have a real advantage in the bottom pair over Pitt. No doubt about it.

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by fat_daddyo on Apr 28, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Okay. I’m just going by the original point which was about which team has the better top two pairings.

Using Hannan and Green is a good argument for the better defensive depth, but it doesn’t speak to the top two pairings.

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by LucyImHome on Apr 28, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nah, the Pens top 4D was just along for the J-Staal ride. He carried that team all the way to a 3-1 lead series collapse.

Maybe now the J-Staal fanboys will admit the guy doesn’t have what it takes to be a 1C in the NHL. 2C might even be a stretch. Guy is a defensive stud with underwhelming offensive capabilities. That’s a good player, but he isn’t anywhere near the greatness his fans want to heap on him.

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by Rob Parker on Apr 28, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

What a major disappearing act that was for Staal…one goal in the entire series and it comes in Game 6? Not as big a deal if they had Crosby and/or Malkin in the lineup but they really needed him to step up and he didn’t.

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I thought of you and our mutual “J-Staal is overrated” thinking as I watching those seconds wind down last night. sweet, sweet vindication.

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by RedBirdie on Apr 28, 2011 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just want to know how you could watch that series/this season and still try to make the case that Staal over Toews is the right call.

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by Rob Parker on Apr 28, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

it’s because they’re high on all that vegas gold.

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by RedBirdie on Apr 28, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am just very happy that there aren’t any more Staal’s in the playoffs after last night.

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hear hear! three huzzahs for small favors!

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by RedBirdie on Apr 28, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I tend to agree with you here… I feel like a lot of Pitt’s strength down the stretch was MAF’s .922 ESSV%.

by cajuncook on Apr 28, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I could see Marcus Johansson being at Staal’s level in the NHL.

by Kolzilla on Apr 28, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Two totally different players, so it’s hard to compare. Mojo already has a better offensive game than Staal, and I think his offensive instincts are high enough that he will get even better.

Mojo is a responsible defender but not a stud, and I’m not sure he’ll ever get there. Staal is a legit badass defensive C.

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by fat_daddyo on Apr 28, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

They’re really different players, though. And Staal’s so different than Crosby and Malkin. Johansson, however, plays a lot like Backstrom, just not with as much talent.

by RCheli on Apr 28, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

But way more speed. If only Nick could skate like Marcus…

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by Rob Parker on Apr 28, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

He won’t have the physical dominance in the D zone, but I think his hockey sense and skating could make him a nearly-as-effective defensive player. Already I’ve seen more offensive talent from Mackan than I’ve seen from Staal.

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by Rob Parker on Apr 28, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

But it’s different types of offense. I think this year (and at spurts last year) Staal decided that he has to become a power forward and that he can use his size to overwhelm defensemen and other forwards (especially on the PK).

I also wonder what Staal’s numbers would be if he spent the majority of his special team time on the PP and not the PK (this season an exception).

by RCheli on Apr 28, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Staal just doesn’t have great offensive skills. Throw him out there all you want, whatever.

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by Rob Parker on Apr 28, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

And offense is more scarce than defense. Give me Mackan

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by Gould Old Days on Apr 28, 2011 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Martin-Michalek
Orpik – Letang

v.

Alzner – Carlson
Green – Hannan (I know there’s some noise here with this pairing)

I’ll take Pitt. Not by as much as I would have back in October, but I still like them better.

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by fat_daddyo on Apr 28, 2011 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

…I still take our guys over theirs. Especially the way Carlson and Alzner have evolved over the course of the season. And Green >>>>> Letang (something I say with this somewhat annoying disclaimer: I really like Letang).

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by Becca H on Apr 28, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

And Green >>>>> Letang (something I say with this somewhat annoying disclaimer: I really like Letang).

I think you’re either underrating Letang or overrating Green. I can buy Green being better, but Letang’s been a legitimate stud in both of the last two seasons.

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by Knee high to a duck on Apr 28, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

…If not necessarily this postseason.

by Berube Doobie Doo on Apr 28, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sure, but Green wasn’t exactly lighting the world on fire during the two post-seasons prior to this one. Doesn’t mean he was a bad defender, just that he had a poor playoff.

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by Knee high to a duck on Apr 28, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I threw in the extra ">"s for emphasis. I just think Green is better at both ends of the ice – Letang is great, don’t get me wrong, but I see him as Green-lite.

Shot isn’t as accurate, either, he misses way more than Green does. He should be a wingah.

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by Becca H on Apr 28, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

He strikes me more as Keith-lite than Green-lite, and he was absolutely one of the league’s top-3 D through the first half of the season.

I’ll have comparative numbers up shortly.

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by Knee high to a duck on Apr 28, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

through the first half of the season

…ah, but see, some people like players to play the WHOLE season ;)

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by Becca H on Apr 28, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ll take 82 games worth of Letang over 47 games of Green any day of the week.

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by Knee high to a duck on Apr 28, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m so confused by what you mean.

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by RedBirdie on Apr 28, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

…ditto. You saying you prefer Letang?? I just don’t see it, I think Green’s the better player with a higher ceiling.

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by Becca H on Apr 28, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s saying Letang has been more valuable this year by virtue of his production and the fact that he’s played 82 games.

Green might be better, but it is not by enough to offset the fact that he only played 47 games.

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by fat_daddyo on Apr 28, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

well, most of us would take 82 games over 47. but I’d take Green’s typical 75ish over Letang’s 82.

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by RedBirdie on Apr 28, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s a little misleading, because Green doesn’t exactly have a history of playing 50 games a season (and we know Letang probably won’t play 82 next year).

by cajuncook on Apr 28, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just pointing out that if we’re talking about playing the whole season, it definitely favors Letang over Green. Green does have a history of missing at least 10 games a year, I don’t think that’s going to improve markedly.

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by Knee high to a duck on Apr 28, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hopefully he doesn’t take pucks and elbows to the head next year.

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by gfcaps fan on Apr 28, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Like most defensemen, though… Letang played 73/74/73/82 over the last four years. I feel like if you’re comparing them on a baseline level, it should be at 70-75 games a piece. I don’t think we can expect Green to get hit in the face with a puck repeatedly.

by cajuncook on Apr 28, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

But there is something to be said for the ~1.5x cap hit, too.

by cajuncook on Apr 28, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t disagree much, but I’d set Letang’s baseline at 74-75 and Green’s at 68-70. Green’s only hit 75 games once since 2008, right?

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by Knee high to a duck on Apr 28, 2011 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I counter with: SSS. :)

But yeah, his baseline probably should be a bit lower, especially if he continues to block shots without a visor in the same manner he is now.

by cajuncook on Apr 28, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

You mean with his visor?

That’s fair, but the point about Cap hit is especially trenchant going forward – Green’s up for a new deal next year and Letang is locked up at a steal for a 1D for the next three.

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by Knee high to a duck on Apr 28, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah. If this is a cap hit discussion then there’s no contest on a $/value level, but there’s also a point to be made that the Capitals have a number of cost-controlled assets that allow them to overpay some other players. His next contract is an entirely different issue, though…

by cajuncook on Apr 28, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ohhh…I see, you’re saying you’d prefer a slightly less talented guy for more games than a slightly more talented one in an injury-shortened season. Gotcha.

…Green’s played just 18 fewer games than Letang over the last four years, though. Just to be fair.

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by Becca H on Apr 28, 2011 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Add in the 10 games that Letang played with WBS during that time frame and that he’s 2 years younger and we’re looking at 7 extra games a year. I’d definitely call that edge for Letang.

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by Knee high to a duck on Apr 28, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Letang is much better defensively than Green just as Green is much better offensively.

by RCheli on Apr 28, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Martin-Michalek
Orpik – Letang

v.

Alzner – Carlson
Green – Schultz

I’ll take Pittsburgh

Martin-Michalek
Orpik – Letang

v.

Alzner – Carlson
Hannan – Wideman

I’ll take Pittsburgh

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by LucyImHome on Apr 28, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Add in the rest of the dmen, and I’ll take the Caps.

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by timmyv38 on Apr 28, 2011 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Green is better than Letang, and Hannan is better than Orpik. So the Caps win in the pure puck mover-stay at home pairing. The other pairing is a more solid two way pairing for each team, and Martin-Michalek might have a slight edge right now, but not going forward. I think the Caps’ advantage in the Green-Hannan pairing is slightly larger than the Pens’ advantage with the Martin-Michalek pairing.

Then the Caps absolutely blow the Pens away with the 3rd pairing (which of course makes the jobs of the top-4 that much easier).

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by Killer_Carlson on Apr 28, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think Hannan’s better than Orpik, though. The CORSI numbers reinforce that.

by RCheli on Apr 28, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Corsi is one piece of a very large puzzle – you can’t base your judgment of who is better strictly on that one stat.

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by Becca H on Apr 28, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I haven’t looked at the CORSI numbers, but aside from the standard problems of comparing players on different teams just with CORSI Orpik has been paired consistently with Letang all season. Hannan started in Colorado, then came to the Caps right as they were hitting their slump, and he hasn’t had a consistent partner even since the Caps picked it up. Hannan’s positioning and hockey sense (probably the two most important qualities for a stay at home Dman) are far better than Orpik’s. Orpik is more physical, but often takes himself out of the play to make big hits.

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by Killer_Carlson on Apr 28, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Looking now, but unless Orpik improved radically from the last time I did, I don’t think Corsi analysis favors him.

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by Knee high to a duck on Apr 28, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Orpik’s a hell of a lot better at wielding his stick in surgical strikes, that’s for sure.

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by RedBirdie on Apr 28, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Player Cards for Caps and Pens D

Orpik faces tougher comp, but Hannan wins on Corsi Rel and shot suppression. Hannan also has much lower team strength ratings and better raw Corsi than Orpik does.

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by Knee high to a duck on Apr 28, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Interesting. IIRC, the Pens team Corsi % is a good bit higher than the Caps, so I would have expected Orpik to have better raw Corsi numbers…

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by fat_daddyo on Apr 28, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Another thing to note is that Hannan’s role is reduced drastically from last season, when he was top pair (admittedly in Colorado, though). He’s not playing toughs as much anymore, but I don’t doubt he’s capable.

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by red army line on Apr 28, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Anyone remember this, from right after the Roloson trade? (Friedman’s 30 Thoughts, Jan. 3)

22. I’d love to tell you the Capitals’ general reaction, because it was pretty funny. But the one word is somewhat unprintable on a family website. Let’s just say they have a healthy respect for Roloson.

They’re not taking him lightly, I guarantee it. This is a goalie that has had their number over the years – I fully expect them to be ready for that and react accordingly.

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by Becca H on Apr 28, 2011 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

one of my favorite thoughts of the year!

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by RedBirdie on Apr 28, 2011 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m pretty sure I used that word too.

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by EmilyB on Apr 28, 2011 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

He is a solid goalie. Great is a little strong.

by Kolzilla on Apr 28, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

My son and I went to the TB game at Verizon in early January. 1-0 TB in OT. Roloson was insane. I’d pay attention to him (on behalf of all the old folks who think 41 is young!).

by DerwoodCapsMom on Apr 28, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good goalies can have great games.

I don’t think any active goalie outside the top 8 on this list is great. Some young goalies have the potential for greatness, if they fulfill their potential and show consistency. But Roloson ain’t great, and he ain’t got any more potential.

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by Gould Old Days on Apr 28, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: relief that your own team is eliminated, I remember feeling that way about the Caps one of the years after the SCF run when they were so depleted by injuries that it just wasn’t my team anymore. Really painful to watch.

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by Gould Old Days on Apr 28, 2011 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Anyone watch the VS after game show last night? Roenick and Keenan were both slurping TB.

I don’t remember the exact quote but Roenick basically said TB had more star power than the Caps at this point and to watch out because Stamkos has heated up and then Keenan chimed in with (not verbatim but close) “TB will have the confidence heading into the series after beating the Penguins in game 7, and remember their core players have all won the Cup before so they have the experience too”

I like Roenick’s breaking down of plays, very insightful but really the Lightening have more star power than the Caps?? and Keenan is just a buffon in the studio

by Beakers Lab on Apr 28, 2011 8:09 AM EDT reply actions  

Ugh. Since when does a “core” consist of three players: St. Louis, Lecavalier, and Kubina?

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by STLSpidey on Apr 28, 2011 8:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hey, that’s almost one-quarter of their roster!

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I’ll take Knuble and Arnott and their perspective, thank you very much.

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by STLSpidey on Apr 28, 2011 8:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

no kidding. I couldn’t believe they were so jacked up for TB and dismissing the Caps

by Beakers Lab on Apr 28, 2011 8:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

True, but I’ll take MSL on my team any day and twice on Sunday. The guy is the real deal.

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by MikeL-Pivonka on Apr 28, 2011 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

The straw that stirs the drink. Anyone that says they wouldn’t die to have him on their team is full of it.

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by Carl Putnam on Apr 28, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

At 35-going-on-36 years-old and over $5.5M through the next four seasons… ehhhh… he is a goddamn great player right now, but eventually that bus is going to stop, and I get the feeling Tampa might pay a little bit for that, especially since Stamkos will start to cost real dollars soon.

by cajuncook on Apr 28, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not sure what any of that has to do with my comment. I wasn’t talking trading for him in a specific deal or to a specific team. My point what currently he’s all-star level player who drives the bus for his team.

And, if we are talking TB contracts, I’ll take MSL’s over Vinny’s any day.

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by Carl Putnam on Apr 28, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

When you talk about having a player on your team in the NHL, in my opinion you have to consider the cap-implications. It would be sweet to have a roster that looked like Team Staal but it’s impractical, ya know?

by cajuncook on Apr 28, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you are talking about a specific trade or signing of course. I’m at the front of the line on that. The problem is that wasn’t what was being talked about.

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by Carl Putnam on Apr 28, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn’t die to have him on the Caps because having him on the Caps means taking on his contract (or, in a fantasy world, a contract similar to the one he currently has), and his contract doesn’t have a place on this team. I don’t see why this is so out-of-context within this conversation.

by cajuncook on Apr 28, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

The discussion was about the merits of player’s talents not how they would fit on a given roster. It was hypothetical banter.

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by Carl Putnam on Apr 28, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn’t want him on the Caps cause what if he wanted to buy the same house I did. He’d probably get it cause he was famous, and if he were in TB it would a slam dunk for me.

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by alisterio on Apr 28, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

You can afford a house like this? Badass, man.

No need for the snark.

by cajuncook on Apr 28, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

that’s a big house for a little guy.

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by Alz in the family on Apr 28, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Love the chip n putt course. But no lanai over the pool? There are bugs as big as him in Florida.

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by bagace on Apr 28, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just poking a little fun man…for lack of a better way to put it, you were taking a little of the fun out of “I’d take MSL 7 days a week and twice on Sundays.” Of course, I’d take Gretzky, Orr, Howe, Coffey Langway Howe but reality doesn’t allow it to happen. Doesn’t mean that I wouldn’t like it to happen.

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by alisterio on Apr 28, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

preview fail

Gretzky, Orr, Howe, Coffey Langway, Howe and Roy.

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by alisterio on Apr 28, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gordie had a couple of sons play pro, too, no?

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by fat_daddyo on Apr 28, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ahh the joy of video games.

by cajuncook on Apr 28, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Huh… DC prices definitely skew expectations… Only $1.5M (or maybe $1.8M) when bought:
http://www.hcpafl.org/CamaDisplay.aspx?OutputMode=Display&SearchType=RealEstate&ParcelID=20271823S000000000130A

I would have guessed a lot more.

And taxed as if it’s half that. Nice deal.

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by AMusingFool on Apr 28, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Only $1.5M

This made me chuckle

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by LucyImHome on Apr 28, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

you forgot Stamkos ….. < ducks >

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by RedskinFan4Life on Apr 28, 2011 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Stamkos won the Stanley Tools Cup. Totally different.

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by iwearstripes on Apr 28, 2011 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Keenan at one point said, “a confident Tampa team will be facing a nervous Capitals…”

Without even arguing the validity of the statement, where do they come up with that horse *&$#?

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by PaintDrinkingPete on Apr 28, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

actually, I think it was even worse than that. He called them “fragile” if I recall correctly, not “nervous”. Though maybe that was one of the guys on NHL OTF. Don’t think so though.

by GusDaMan on Apr 28, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah he called them nervous. How exactly are they nervous? And it’s not like the Caps are full of players that have never “been there” before.

by reesem37 on Apr 28, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah I caught that. You gotta give the Caps the edge here in the series…don’t really see how anyone could think that TB has the advantage.

by reesem37 on Apr 28, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I really hope Wideman can return sooner than later because I’m concerned about Erskine matching up with Tampa’s speedy 2nd-3rd line forwards. It’s going to be much tougher to hide him in this series and the Lightning are just the kind of team that can take advantage of his weaknesses.

by Kolzilla on Apr 28, 2011 8:15 AM EDT reply actions  

I had that thought too, but erskine has decent splits against TB this year. 4 GP, 1g, 0a, 1p, +1, 5 shots, 14:30 ATOI. And he was clearly our lucky charm against TBL, as we went 4-0 with him in the lineup and 0-1-1 without him :-)

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by GusDaMan on Apr 28, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Not funny…

"When summer comes around, I like to keep my hair as short as I can, so I was kinda getting sick of it," Alzner said…

But as the hairdresser started working on trimming his sideburns, Alzner’s phone went off and he zoned out a bit.

"The lady almost shaved my beard off ’cause she didn’t really like it too much," he said. "I stopped her just short."

All is well with Alzner’s beard – a little thinner on the sides, but still OK. Now, maybe Thursday everyone can go back to talking about hockey.

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I was wondering when Alzner’s beard would come to life…

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by ThePeerless on Apr 28, 2011 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Are you implying the beard stopped the hairdresser?

by redpezrocket on Apr 28, 2011 8:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Separated at Birth?

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by IRockTheRed on Apr 28, 2011 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

that guy on the right looks familiar….where is it from?

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by RedskinFan4Life on Apr 28, 2011 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Dan Haggerty = Grizzly Adams, if I recall my childhood tv correctly.

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by stemmer on Apr 28, 2011 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

right, thanks!

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by RedskinFan4Life on Apr 28, 2011 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

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by Sombrero Guy on Apr 28, 2011 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Grizzly Adams…

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by WordsOnIce on Apr 28, 2011 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was thinking more hacksaw Jim Duggan when he had the full beard going

by ididntdoit on Apr 28, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

And Alzner’s D is so vicious, they should put a giant X over the screen a la Blackjack Mulligan’s claw.

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by alisterio on Apr 28, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

...

Wrong flag, though… at least for Alzner.

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by IRockTheRed on Apr 28, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ugh, that picture is Pensblog material. Minimizing…now.

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by Becca H on Apr 28, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fun game while drinking: Go back and forth and name wrestlers. Really good if you were watching in the 80s…Quick Draw Rick McGraw and Philadelphia’s Favorite Son Special Delivery (SD) Jones are two of my pulls.

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by alisterio on Apr 28, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Duke “The Dumpster” Droese!

by Berube Doobie Doo on Apr 28, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s a fun game! Know where it would be more fun? The OT Thread YAY!!!

 ;)

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by Becca H on Apr 28, 2011 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

But iiiitty-bitty living space.

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by AMusingFool on Apr 28, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

The Pens announcers are awful homers, i pained me to listen to them. I am wondering if it was the NHLN feed that made Consol sound so quiet, I hope so because if not that is a pretty embarrassing showing for a game 7….I also LOL’d when they announced their “McDonalds Player of the Night”…That is a far cry from The Palm.

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by Cap-O-Vens on Apr 28, 2011 8:51 AM EDT reply actions  

I don’t think Consol is ever quiet, but I did see a lot more enthusiasm than I heard. I think the NHLN feed dulled the crowd noise a little. When we switched to the TSN feed it was pretty loud.

by redpezrocket on Apr 28, 2011 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

i thought they were trying to urge the Pens on. saw a lot of towel waving going on towards the end of the game.

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by RedskinFan4Life on Apr 28, 2011 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

I saw a lot of motionless sitting in the 2nd and beginning of the 3rd tho.

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by Cap-O-Vens on Apr 28, 2011 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

well prolly they were down a little after TB scored. who isn’t after an opposing team scores? but they didn’t quit on the team, I thought.

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by RedskinFan4Life on Apr 28, 2011 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Down a bit? Even Steiggy and Errey got after the crowd for booing the home team (I think it was after their second or third failed power play.

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by bagace on Apr 28, 2011 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

While it was still scoreless to boot. In between that and Boston’s booing of Halpern, cringeworthy home fan behavior last night.

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by Bald Pollack on Apr 28, 2011 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve been to 3 games in that arena now. Each time it’s just not lively. At points it’s down right quiet. The february game this year, I could hear conversations ABOUT THE WEATHER (there was a storm during the game) from 3 rows behind me. For all the rivalry between the Caps and Pens, the Consol crowd has not pushed their team toward victory any time I’ve been there.

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by Boggles on Apr 29, 2011 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

I too thought it was mighty quiet for a 1-0 game. You could hear "ooo’s when a close play happened but not much else.

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by Sombrero Guy on Apr 28, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

A 1-0 shutout can be demoralizing. I thought the Pens announcers had it right when they said “The Penguins are just beating their heads against the wall right now.”

by Berube Doobie Doo on Apr 28, 2011 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

From what I saw last night the pens team team/crowd seemed frustrated & tired and ready to go home.

by d_fens on Apr 28, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t blame them. The Pens weren’t very nice to their home fans during the series.

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by LucyImHome on Apr 28, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

So
Anisimov from below goal line
Christensen bad angle
Dubinsky, caromed in
Green, bad angle, in off Girardi

I think that’s two softies, but yeah.

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by red army line on Apr 28, 2011 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Which is funny, because two of those aren’t softies, IMO. The Dubi and Anisimov goals were crazy fluke bounces of our own team. I don’t count those as soft in most cases. The two softies Neuvy let in were Christensen and Prospal, but I’m sure Prospal counts as a scoring chance so it won’t show up as soft in this analysis.

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by Rob Parker on Apr 28, 2011 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Great stuff. And it ties in with the discussion the other day where F&B referred to a stat for softies as possibly starting out as goals off non-scoring chances. here it is in b&w. Rec’d.

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by stemmer on Apr 28, 2011 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Lundqvist was flat-out the best player on the Rangers squad, and we all knew it. I think Lundqvist knew it, too, which is why the Rangers lost.

I’m also quite happy that our defense did very well. I also hope that people don’t see these numbers and use them to diminish Neuvy’s efforts and his performance, which was very, very good. I do wish he had gotten those two softies back, especially the Christensen one, but the results speak for themselves and I hope no one looks at these numbers and misinterprets them to diminish Neuvy’s skill (*cough*Tampa Bay media*cough*).

Hell, even the great Ryan Miller was all too human. Luongo was one goal away from the golf course. What all of our defense (and I include Neuvy) has done is nothing short of fantastic.

by redpezrocket on Apr 28, 2011 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I hope no one looks at these numbers and misinterprets them to diminish Neuvy’s skill (*cough*Tampa Bay media*cough*).

Eh, let em. Neuvy thrives when he’s not taken seriously, or when the other goalies are praised higher in the press (Bernier in last year’s Calder run and Lundqvist this past series). Reading all the comments made by his defensemen, they all say the same thing about him: That his calmness back there gives them a feeling of security that they can play their game without worry.

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by bagace on Apr 28, 2011 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

It’s one thing if your goalie is your best player in a series, but if he’s your only “good” player, too, well…you’re done like dinner.

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by ThePeerless on Apr 28, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

This fully echos my thoughts when I sifted through that post this morning. Love it.

by cajuncook on Apr 28, 2011 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

So that’s four games in six nights. If we see Knuble at all, Imma guessing we’ll see him in Game 4, the second of the back-to-backs.

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by EmilyB on Apr 28, 2011 9:06 AM EDT reply actions  

four games in six nights

so does that mean their wives are happy now or not? < /BB’d >

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by RedskinFan4Life on Apr 28, 2011 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Does that means our wives/husbands/significant others are happy or not?

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by STLSpidey on Apr 28, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

my husband hasn’t be all that happy with my “but I want to know the second round opponent noooooooooooooow!

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by RedBirdie on Apr 28, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mrs. Spidey was very accommodating as always. “Nope, nothing Friday night. I’ll drive the kids. Sunday? Evening? Should be fine.”

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by STLSpidey on Apr 28, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

my wife always rolls her eyes. “they’re still playing?” she has no concept of hockey, yet alone sports…..

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by RedskinFan4Life on Apr 28, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

That has to favor us tho with the early first round finish.

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by Cap-O-Vens on Apr 28, 2011 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

From what I’ve seen, I think we match-up pretty well with Tampa. A few keys from what I’ve seen:

First, you need to skate them into the ground. The 1-3-1 only works if their skaters can keep up in the neutral zone. Once they start getting tired, their ability to take away space in the neutral zone fades. If you can enter the third period tied, you’ll have more room to work.

Second, you need to score early. Trap hockey doesn’t work when you’re getting beat, so getting on the board early gets them off their game plan.

Third, hit them hard. The Bolts are on one day’s rest after going 7 with a physical Pens team. Hard checking from our forward lines will help break them down.

Speed and physicality will win this series. Here’s hoping the rest got our guys prepared. This one is going to be a war.

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by iwearstripes on Apr 28, 2011 9:42 AM EDT reply actions  

I’m probably the only one here, but I think it’s going to be a sweep. Why? Don’t know why. Just feel the hockey gods are finally going to smile down on us this year.

What say you, hockey gods???

by RAGthaman on Apr 28, 2011 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m still going to be full of anxiety. Nothing will ever un-train me from being extremely anxious come playoffs.

by redpezrocket on Apr 28, 2011 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh I’m always nervous even during the regular season. I stand all game. But I just feel they’ve been playing sound Defense all year and have been getting timely goals. The breaks seem to be going their way ( for the most part). Plus they are relatively healthy.

What say you, hockey gods???

by RAGthaman on Apr 28, 2011 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

There was a time when the consensus was that Tampa Bay was the weakest team in the top 8. They lost a lot of games down the stretch. But Boucher seems to have them playing cohesively at the right time. We shall see.

by Berube Doobie Doo on Apr 28, 2011 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Tampa’s players don’t scare me. Boucher does. Of the 3 teams left in the East, he strikes me as the smartest coach. Even if they spot us a couple games early in the series, Boucher is going to identify our weaknesses and make adjustments to give his guys opportunities. Maybe Bruce can hold serve, but I’m a bit worried.

Man for man I like our talent better than theirs, but they have a damn good coach, and a group of guys who buy-in to what he’s preaching.

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by iwearstripes on Apr 28, 2011 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

I love listening to the post game presser of the coach on the losing team in these playoffs. They seem calm on the outside but deep inside you know they are like, I know we lost why the hell are you all asking me all these dumb questions.

What say you, hockey gods???

by RAGthaman on Apr 28, 2011 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

that’s the story of every press conference ever.

they’re so dumb to me

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by smutsboy1 on Apr 28, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

and I thought I was an optimist.

although I wouldn’t complain about it because on May 7th the local NBC affiliate does Derby Day coverage basically starting at 9am and to hell with the national coverage so I will have to stream the game if they play most likely

by Beakers Lab on Apr 28, 2011 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

I need four or five, selfishly. I’m out the evenings of game 6 and 7.

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by STLSpidey on Apr 28, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think you’re crazy — given the postures of the teams going into it, I think it could tip one team’s direction very early.

It’s particularly important for the tired Lightning to take one of the first two in Washington. If they come home for back to back games with their backs against the wall, it’ll be very tough for them.

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by Gould Old Days on Apr 28, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Anyone have any idea what TBL’s injury situation is?

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by fat_daddyo on Apr 28, 2011 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Stamkos has been doing nothing since February, he scored both his goals in the 8-2 blowout, I’ll be shocked if he doesn’t reveal an injury after their season is done. Malone missed the final regular season game(s) but I don’t recall what for. I think someone else was publicly injured, and then there’s the playoff bumps and bruises.

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by Rob Parker on Apr 28, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hedman missed the last couple games of the year with a LBI, Malone just said “scratched” for the last game (but was first or second start the penultimate game).

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by Rob Parker on Apr 28, 2011 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

And MarioD’s favorite, Randy Jones, was also injured at the end of the year. No clue if he’s played in the playoffs.

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by Rob Parker on Apr 28, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don’t believe he has, off the top of my head.

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by fat_daddyo on Apr 28, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

If the Caps can execute like they did in game 5 vs. the Rangers, then this will not be a long series at all. What the Caps need to do is take Marty, Vinny, Stamkos out of the game by taking the air out of the puck. If the Bolts want to trap and counter attack, fine. In February the Caps waited out the trap and won going away. They can do that again and keep the Bolts at bay.

When forechecking the Caps should be as physical as possible. The Bolts defense is good, but they can be out hit and out muscled. If they can do that, and keep Roloson very busy and wearing him down, they can win this in 4 or 5 games.

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by MikeL-Pivonka on Apr 28, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

The puck is inflatable? Wow — I always thought it was filled with SuperBall, like golf balls are.

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by Gould Old Days on Apr 28, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Takes a really strong air-pump to blow up a puck.

by Berube Doobie Doo on Apr 28, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Caps have opened as -175/+155 (61.9%) favorites in game one. So far I’m hitting well. The Rags opened at the same price but closed lower, at 60.6%. We’ll see how this moves! Very exciting.

by cajuncook on Apr 28, 2011 10:01 AM EDT reply actions  

I’d put Caps at about 51%, so a coin flip on neutral ice. I had Caps at ~65% over NYR to win any indiv game.

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by NGreenberg on Apr 28, 2011 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

If you feel confident in that number, there’s a lot of money to be made there, because the gap is massive. I expected it to open around -170/+160 (and it did!), which puts them at 55.5%-56% on neutral ice.

by cajuncook on Apr 28, 2011 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

I know I don’t feel confident they have 62% chance.

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by NGreenberg on Apr 28, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

TB performed roughly to expectation in terms of goals scored during the regular season on a shot-distance basis, and have a major goaltending issue. If they continue to give up massive amounts of shots like they did against the Pens, their +7 goal differential will be much more predictive than their possession statistics or points earned… their 46-36 record with a +7 GD is hilarious to me.

This sounds cliche, but unless the Capitals get Halak’d, I feel like there’s going to be at least one blowout, maybe two in the Caps’ favor.

by cajuncook on Apr 28, 2011 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

….but sadly the money would be made by betting on TB!

by Ginga on Apr 28, 2011 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

wondering

Is JP writing the Pens eulogy or does the Flyers guy get another one?

by DebCapsFan on Apr 28, 2011 10:04 AM EDT reply actions  

Caps History Help...

Can anyone fill me in on who this is?

by Berube Doobie Doo on Apr 28, 2011 10:09 AM EDT reply actions  

Kelly Miller, isn’t it? Sorry…

by Berube Doobie Doo on Apr 28, 2011 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but i don’t remember him as captain….must have been as an injury sub.

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by OldPhil on Apr 28, 2011 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

That’s what confused the hell out of me.

by Berube Doobie Doo on Apr 28, 2011 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Them Millers… they’re everywhere!

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by ThePeerless on Apr 28, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

But today specifically at his alma mater Mich. State becoming an assistant coach today… Congrats KM.

by d_fens on Apr 28, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I saw a blog the other day by his daughter, an athlete at MSU (but not a hockey player, think she played softball or maybe volleyball, along with her sister) might have to track it down.

by sk84fun_dc on Apr 28, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

ha ha, his daughters are on the soccer team, a swing and a miss…

by sk84fun_dc on Apr 28, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Odd situation, that. Miller applied for the vacant head coaching position at MSU, but was turned down in favor of Tom Anastos, who for the past 13 years has been the commissioner of the CCHA (in which MSU plays, until the “Big Ten” conference opens for business in a couple of years). Anastos hired Miller as an assistant, they being teammates at MSU in their playing days.

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by ThePeerless on Apr 28, 2011 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Saw an interesting tweet by a member of the Miller family the day the coaching decision was announced. I was wondering if it was because Kelly Miller had applied for the job so thanks for confirming. I should have thought to ask you (duh).

by sk84fun_dc on Apr 28, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

an juicy tweet?

Kelly’s cousin Drew plays somewhat near-by in Detroit (Ryan’s brother)

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by RedBirdie on Apr 28, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d say, but the person doesn’t have their tweets on public so I’ve probably said enough.

by sk84fun_dc on Apr 28, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s Kelly Miller. Back in the 1980s and 1990s you had to name someone captain on the team no matter what, so Miller or would wear the “C” if Langway or Dale Hunter was out of the line up.

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by MikeL-Pivonka on Apr 28, 2011 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

did not know that. thanks for the factoid!

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by RedBirdie on Apr 28, 2011 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Interesting. When did the league switch to doing one C and having multiple As?

by redpezrocket on Apr 28, 2011 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

They didn’t switch…. some teams just didn’t hand out a “C” and the league didn’t say anything.

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by MikeL-Pivonka on Apr 28, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

From the Tampa paper (link at CI), Chris Pronger are you listening?

“I thought the Pittsburgh Penguins showed a lot of class, giving us the puck right after the game and we are going to give that puck to Mr. Fleming, and we all know what he is battling,” Boucher said.

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by gfcaps fan on Apr 28, 2011 10:28 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

There are some folks in the Pens organization with class. And in actuality, the Bolts organization is mostly classy too (Downie excepted…)

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by MikeL-Pivonka on Apr 28, 2011 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Pronger can’t hear you, he’s too busy covering his ears with stolen pucks.

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by RedBirdie on Apr 28, 2011 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

or that one ring from Anaheim ;-)

by reesem37 on Apr 28, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pronger did chastise Carcillo for taunting the Buffalo bench…

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by Rob Parker on Apr 28, 2011 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Only because the game wasn’t over yet, if I remember it right.

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by gfcaps fan on Apr 28, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

It was all over but the crying. Carcillo got the 5th goal.

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by Rob Parker on Apr 28, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

OK, so I didn’t. Maybe I’m confusing that with something else, maybe even a different game/series.

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by gfcaps fan on Apr 28, 2011 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Briere maybe? He did tap Miller on the back of the helmet on one of the early goals in Game 7.

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by timmyv38 on Apr 28, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Little different what Pronger did because they were still in-series. Would think that when the series was over, he might not steal the puck. But of course, I have no idea.

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by alisterio on Apr 28, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

….This was a discussion about what Carcillo did yesterday.

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by timmyv38 on Apr 28, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, really?

"I thought the Pittsburgh Penguins showed a lot of class, giving us the puck right after the game and we are going to give that puck to Mr. Fleming, and we all know what he is battling," Boucher said.

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by alisterio on Apr 28, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Are you confusing Brian Boucher with Guy Boucher?

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by Sombrero Guy on Apr 28, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

wait, nevermind.

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by Sombrero Guy on Apr 28, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or Bobby?

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by LucyImHome on Apr 28, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did you bother reading any of the comments after that? Like the 4 between that post and mine?

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by timmyv38 on Apr 28, 2011 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Like this:

Pronger did chastise Carcillo for taunting the Buffalo bench…

Or this:

Only because the game wasn’t over yet, if I remember it right.

Or this:

It was all over but the crying. Carcillo got the 5th goal.

Or even this:

OK, so I didn’t. Maybe I’m confusing that with something else, maybe even a different game/series.

Seriously, man.

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by timmyv38 on Apr 28, 2011 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

“Only I get to do that”

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by Gould Old Days on Apr 28, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Pronger can’t hear you, he’s too busy covering his ears with stolen pucks dead kittens.

by b.orr4 on Apr 28, 2011 10:39 AM EDT reply actions  

I’d love for their to be a episode 5/epilogue to 24/7. Would be better if the Caps had the chance to defeat the Pens in round 2 en route to that big parade, but can’t be too picky.

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by RedBirdie on Apr 28, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think I wrote earlier that I watched 24/7 again two weeks ago. It gave me a totally different perspective. GMGM is very prescient when he talks about the losing streak being a character builder and making it a better team.

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by STLSpidey on Apr 28, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

dammit, i posted something similar before i read this

by j762 on Apr 28, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rec’d. Now I have this overwhelming urge to watch the fourth episode of 24/7—again.

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by capsyoungguns on Apr 28, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Any other STH’s having issues logging into their accounts? I keep getting error messages…

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by boutros23 on Apr 28, 2011 11:18 AM EDT reply actions  

Fine for me at 8 AM this morning. I did have problems last round before game 1

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by apk3000 on Apr 28, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

It’s slow but it is responding… there may be a lot of folks looking for tickets on the exchange. Also there may be some delays due to network outages due to the weather.

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by MikeL-Pivonka on Apr 28, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was finally able to get in…

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by boutros23 on Apr 28, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Are STHs likely to keep all of their round 2 tickets? I’d really like to go, but the lowest prices on StubHub are $130 a ticket.

by redpezrocket on Apr 28, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

I h ve my game 1 tickets listed on stub Hub (although above $130)

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by RedBirdie on Apr 28, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

I sold game 2 on ticketexchange yesterday. I was torn, but never listed them on the Rink exchange.

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by gfcaps fan on Apr 28, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’ll be really happy when STHs can list their tickets at a price other than face value next year. STHs pricing tickets reasonably is one of the only ways that I can avoid StubHub’s insane fees.

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RB, Is StubHub better than TE IYO?

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by Cap-O-Vens on Apr 28, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

when I need to sell below face value? Absolutely! today I’m trying to sell above face, and since I know Stub Hub’s interface, I just stuck with what I know. for round 1, my tickets, above face, sold pretty quick.

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by RedBirdie on Apr 28, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you can deal with the slightly-more-sketchy factor, craigslist is a godsend.

by cajuncook on Apr 28, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Stubhub sells the tickets FAST with no hassle. But it’s a racket – 20% almost on the sellers end and some fee for the buyer.

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by alisterio on Apr 28, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I always try to avoid StubHub unless it’s a last-minute thing exactly because of those fees. I guess tomorrow is pretty last-minute, though.

by cajuncook on Apr 28, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Its 15% and no paypal fees for the seller. Buyers pay depending upon how the tix are delivered. Not to mention the float Stubhub earns between sale and distribution of funds. It’s a good racket.

However, It’s a secure transaction meaning you know the buyer has the money and you’re not going to get stuck waiting for payment like w/ ebay or craigslist. Only took me one time dealing with a deadbeat bid winner on ebay to realize that stubhub was the best option all in. I wish they had an auction format ala ebay.

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by dcsportsfan1 on Apr 28, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I meant Caps TE not RRTE. I listed mine on Craigslist and Caps TE. Caps TE charges 10%, what does SH charge…I am selling Game 1 and looking for Face and above…

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by Cap-O-Vens on Apr 28, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

and I’d be happy to entertain offers via e-mail. I’ll cut a bit of a deal since I won’t have to pay stub hub fees.

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by RedBirdie on Apr 28, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was searching for tix myself, but I’m not paying 130 bucks.

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by twistedlogic on Apr 28, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Check out the rink rat ticket exchange. I posted some for less than stub hub prices.

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by Sombrero Guy on Apr 28, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Where is the rink rat exchange? I have 2 tickets for the games tomorrow and on Sunday. I bought them before they were scheduled and now I have to take my daughter to a soccer tourny out of town for the whole weekend. I’m not looking for much above face value.

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by MR Laughlin18 on Apr 28, 2011 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Scroll up the page, and look in the right column for some boxes grouped as “The Vault.” Or you can click here..

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by bagace on Apr 28, 2011 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

playoff ticket chart. so everyone can compare what face value is vs. what people are asking for. hint: not cheap, either way.

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by RedBirdie on Apr 28, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

This series seems pretty straightforward...

Good Sasha sticks around = win.

A TB fan I know went into a rambling monologue about Semin and his knack of scoring many goals on the bolts. “That guy always seems to have open ice when he plays us.” Yes, yes it seems that way…

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by TheMattyHatty on Apr 28, 2011 11:39 AM EDT reply actions  

One more reason why the caps Sweep. Gotta love Sasha against that tampa D.

What say you, hockey gods???

by RAGthaman on Apr 28, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Please, don't this us

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by stemmer on Apr 28, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

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by Cap-O-Vens on Apr 28, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Buyout question

I just went over to BSB to see what their general mental health was as the days had passed. I read an article about buying out WW, and how the cap hit for a buyout is 1/3 if the player is under 25. This made me wonder what the player receives. If you are bought out, what percentage of your salary do you receive? Is it a different number than the cap hit?

by capsfan4 on Apr 28, 2011 11:59 AM EDT reply actions  

I will have to look it up but I think the age split is 26 and older or under 26.

older 2/3 salary remaining over twice the length of the remaining term on the contract
under 1/3 salary remaining over twice the length of the remaining term on the contract

The CBA spells out the payment time table, but I think it’s once or twice a month.

by sk84fun_dc on Apr 28, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

So is the cap hit the same amount as the actual dollars they receive?

by capsfan4 on Apr 28, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

The cap hit from the buyout is a formula which takes into account the buyout dollars as well as whether the contract is frontloaded, backloaded or same salary each season.

by sk84fun_dc on Apr 28, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

No. It’s a bit complicated, so you might want to consult the CBA or one of those buyout calculators to see.

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by apk3000 on Apr 28, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

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by RedBirdie on Apr 28, 2011 12:36 PM EDT reply actions  

think of this

how many people would have thought that the playoff picture would look like this during 24/7?

granted, a good deal of that had to do with the unforeseen and unfortunate losses of Crosby and Malkin, but still.

  1. Caps vs #5 Bolts, Pittsburgh out of the picture.

by j762 on Apr 28, 2011 1:15 PM EDT reply actions  

a good deal of that had to do with the unforeseen and unfortunate losses of Crosby and Malkin,

Indeed. Given how Crosby was playing I think the Pens would have been the No. 1 seed in the East if 87 never gets hurt. A whole different ballgame as far as matchups

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by LucyImHome on Apr 28, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

On the other hand, who wants a team to be so dependent on one guy like that?

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by WordsOnIce on Apr 28, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

“So dependent”? They lost Crosby for half the season and still ended up with 106 points – one fewer than the Caps.

I think if 87 never gets hurt they are probably in the 112/115-point range. By no means a one-man team.

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by LucyImHome on Apr 28, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think most of the credit for that went to Bylsma. Hell of a coach.

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by WordsOnIce on Apr 28, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

No argument there. But suffice to say evidence from this year is that the Pens are not unusually dependent on their top player

They are a top-4 team in the East without Crosby. With him they’re a Cup contender. That seems about right when you’re talking about one of the 2-3 best players on the planet.

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by LucyImHome on Apr 28, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

but are they top-4 if they lose Crosby all season? That 12 game win streak right before the Winter classic gave them quite the points cushion.

but credit to Bylsma. despite his inability to spot goaltending talent when it’s in front of him, managed to get every last point out of the somewhat rag-tag group he had to put out there every night after those injuries hit.

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by RedBirdie on Apr 28, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

but are they top-4 if they lose Crosby all season?

In the game both Crosby and Malkin missed the Pens were 20-11-4 (admittedly 7 of those wins were shootouts but such are the rules these days). That puts them on about a 100-point pace which would have been good for the No. 6 seed this year.

So I’d say that as long as Malkin plays the Penguins are a top-4 EC team even without Crosby.

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by LucyImHome on Apr 28, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

one could have said the Bolts were a lock to win the division earlier in the year given how stamkos was playing, but we all saw how he cooled down. it is quite possible that crosby would have regressed towards the mean as the season wore on, but we’ll never know.

i hope he’s back to make the league more exciting next year.

by j762 on Apr 28, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh he almost definitely would have. He was really playing above the tallest ceiling, even his tallest ceiling, early this season. But they still would’ve been the best team in the East if he was hitting an average Crosby performance.

by cajuncook on Apr 28, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

From Raw Charge:

Second Round Single-Game Playoff Ticket Pricing

Location Price

Plaza Center $120

Club Center $110

Plaza Corner $90

Plaza Endzone $80

Club Endzone $80

Terrace Center $45

Terrace Corner $27

I miss when we had prices like that for the regular season, let alone the PLAYOFFS

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by Chaz-Capapalooza on Apr 28, 2011 2:11 PM EDT reply actions  

I posted a link to playoff pricing for the Caps further up. It’s easily double what the Bolts are charging; I think it’s probably closer to 125%-150% difference.

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by RedBirdie on Apr 28, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

That will change in the future if they keep winning and the place sells out.

But wow. I have the cheapest tickets and my STH price for round two is more than face value of theirs.

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by gfcaps fan on Apr 28, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I paid $28 to see TB in January…way up in 426, but hey, I was there!

by DerwoodCapsMom on Apr 28, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

We got tickets for $70 behind the net in February – it was awesome, great seats.

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by Becca H on Apr 28, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

damn, my nosebleed seats weren’t that cheap!

by j762 on Apr 28, 2011 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

PLAYOFFS?

PLAYOFFS???

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by Wheeler on Apr 28, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

My random comments from late last night about facing Tampa Bay:

Neuvirth’s first NHL win was at Tampa (same game as Green’s dman goal record)…
Ovechkin and the ‘hot stick’…
3 players with TB played in the ’02-03 series…St. Louis, Lecavalier, Kubina…

by sk84fun_dc on Apr 28, 2011 2:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Lot of O on that team. Not impressed with their D. Rolo is a wild card, which makes me nervous. I also hate his guts a lot more than I did 24 hours ago, but that’s neither here nor there.

Neil puts it at a 51% Caps advantage on a neutral rink. So call it 55% at home, 47% on the road, all things being equal.

Ah, but all things aren’t equal, are they? The Bolts have to be fatigued…we’ll see how much that plays in to things.

Sorry for the yammering. 12 hours ago I was confident, but I have slowly but surely been sliding towards panic. Currently in the nervous stage. By puck drop I will be cursing myself for ever having been foolish enough to believe in the Caps.

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by fat_daddyo on Apr 28, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

12 hours ago I was confident, but I have slowly but surely been sliding towards panic

Caps fan, are you?

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by gfcaps fan on Apr 28, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Babe, you know it and you know all about it.

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by fat_daddyo on Apr 28, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

there should be a support group somewhere to deal with this kind of thing…!

by Neuvychick on Apr 28, 2011 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

it’s called Japers’ Rink!

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by RedBirdie on Apr 28, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

and god bless help us, every one.

by Neuvychick on Apr 28, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

does bruce let someone fight downie?

One thing that impressed me about the Rangers series was that none of the Caps took the bait to get in a fight, despite the Rangers’ best efforts to get us into something. (Carlson head punch to Boyle’s four notwithstanding). I wondered if that was due to the boys being told to laugh it off and not fight. I think it worked.

will the same instructions will be given for this round — will the coaching staff let Brads, Hendy or Erskine off the leash, or instruct them to keep it cool? (Particularly given the TB pp).

by Neuvychick on Apr 28, 2011 2:58 PM EDT reply actions  

I think that’s largely going to depend on two factors:

1) What did Downie do to deserve having his teeth handed to him on a wreath?

2) What did the referees NOT do about it in the first place?

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by IRockTheRed on Apr 28, 2011 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

1) What did Downie do to deserve having his teeth handed to him on a wreath?

You mean other than be Steve Downie?

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by Steckel Me Elmo on Apr 28, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, yes…

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by IRockTheRed on Apr 28, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I doubt there will be a lot of fighting. TBL might try to goon it up, a la the Rangers, if they fall behind in the series, but I doubt the Caps take the bait.

I do expect that the Caps will run Rolo, though. He’s shown a propensity to let it get to him in the past.

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by fat_daddyo on Apr 28, 2011 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

BB is more concerned with Downie’s acting skills

“With Steve Downie, if I were a referee I would never give a call when he’s out on the ice,”

“Stamkos, he dives every two seconds. Downie, he dives every two seconds, so you see that and you start to get a little hatred on.”

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by 7-Hole Glove Side on Apr 28, 2011 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

The bolts have some pests/agitators on their team, but it is nothing like NYR, whose team identity is based on being pests. Rangers throughout the lineup lined up to mess with the Caps, from Fedetenko to Avery to Boyle and beyond. The Bolts agitation, I think, will be limited to a few players who can be either ignored or dealt with.

The bolts have some fuckwads on their team, but they are not a team of fuckwadery

by j762 on Apr 28, 2011 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

JP: YOU ROCK! Looking forward to some creative bombast for the rest of the playoffs!

by Berube Doobie Doo on Apr 28, 2011 2:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Should be fun. I’ll put up a FanShot or something later…

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by J.P. on Apr 28, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are we shooting for content once an hour like the first round?

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by jaytown99 on Apr 28, 2011 3:45 PM EDT reply actions  

So today’s “History Wil Be Made” is Roloson’s shutout. How’d that work out for Fleury? I hope it works out the same for Rolo.

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by gfcaps fan on Apr 28, 2011 4:20 PM EDT reply actions  

so it's kinda disappointing

I’m having a bit of a back and forth with some guys from the Rink (FD and SAT). Problem is, it’s taking place at Raw Charge.

That’s disappointing. I hope we get more enthusiasm from their fans once this thing gets underway

by j762 on Apr 28, 2011 5:19 PM EDT reply actions  

What is the consensus at Raw Charge? How do they feel about the match-up?

by capsfan4 on Apr 28, 2011 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not enough present to form a quorum.

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by fat_daddyo on Apr 28, 2011 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, really.

i can think of one person who said that the bolts should be able to handle the Caps, some discussion of injuries, some general series discussion, and the rest conversation between Caps fans (with the last category not being mutually exclusive with the two above it)

by j762 on Apr 28, 2011 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

What is it with Tampa sports fans? I don’t know anything about the Buccaneers, but the Rays suffer from this same problem despite some pretty incredible successes since 2008. The lack of fan enthusiasm is astounding.

by cajuncook on Apr 28, 2011 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

As bad as the Rays were for as long as they were and the way MLB is structured I have no problem with the Rays fans not ever really showing up.

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by Rob Parker on Apr 28, 2011 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I suppose being dispassionate is one kind of passion.

by cajuncook on Apr 28, 2011 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I might assume it’s a bit like Los Angeles fans. Lots of people here (LA) from other places, plus it’s hard to get too wrapped up in life-or-death emotions for your team when it’s consistently 70 degrees outside. I think bad weather somehow makes for more die-hard fans.

Why put off 'til tomorrow what you can put off 'til the day after tomorrow?

by LACapsFan on Apr 28, 2011 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

telling indicator of Tampa hockey dedication

this question was posed in a main page post:

Besides watching the Lightning/Pens series, how many other playoff series’ have you caught during round 1? And which one has been your favorite so far? Why? And if you haven’t watched other games, why not?

by j762 on Apr 28, 2011 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

To be honest, I caught a lot of hockey because I wanted to see who we’d face.

Oh and to watch Vancouver choke overcome the Blackhawks.

by Joran on Apr 28, 2011 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

the point is that the question was asked

by j762 on Apr 28, 2011 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why? I haven’t watched a single game of any of the other series because I don’t get Versus. Doesn’t make me a bad hockey fan.

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by The Ghost of Bebop on Apr 28, 2011 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes, but when watching hockey across the league is presented as such an oddity, it says poor things about the vibrancy of hockey in the market.

btw, i can get you feeds, dude

by j762 on Apr 28, 2011 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

fyi folks, I started this night’s OT thread

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