How Jason Chimera Scored A Goal From The Penalty Box; or, Why Defensemen Shouldn't Fight
Good things happen when you drive the net. Sometimes, they just take longer than you'd expect.
With about 40 seconds left in the 2nd period of yesterday's game against the Blackhawks, Jason Chimera had himself a bit of a breakaway, streaking wide down the right side. Chimera scored a goal with that play, but the goal took seven minutes of game time and more than half an hour of real life to show up on the scoreboard.
To take his shot, Chimera had to cut sharply through the crease. Chimera's shot bounced off the goalpost, but as he cut across the crease his thigh caught Hawks goalie Corey Crawford in the jaw, snapping the goaltender's head back. Some have suggested that the theatrical, flopping sprawl by Crawford that followed was a bit embellished, but there's no question that Chimera made solid contact with Crawford's head. No penalty was called, and defenseman Brent Seabrook took issue. Seabrook challenged Chimera to a fight. After alternating bear-hugs, they both went off the ice with 5-minute majors.
Seabrook's decision to fight was poor. In any ordinary game, the Capitals will trade losing grinder Chimera and Olympic Gold-medal-winner Seabrook for five minutes any time that opportunity becomes available. But this was no ordinary situation. Defenseman Brian Campbell had skated his final shift of the game ten minutes previously, coming off the ice with an injury and leaving Chicago with just five defensemen to finish the then-tied game. And at the time, Chicago's forwards on the ice included Jake Dowell (8 fights this season) and Troy Brouwer (4 fights). Why, of all people, did Seabrook (0 previous fights this season) feel the need to take on the role of enforcer?
Seabrook left Chicago with only four eligible defensemen while he served his major penalty. To understand the effect of such a short bench, it's useful to understand how athletes recover from intense hockey shifts. Four years ago, Brian Murray explained:
Forty-five seconds is about what the body can handle. A player can go pretty good for 45 seconds. An exceptional player might be able to go for a minute. At 45 seconds, the player can recover and be ready to go back on the ice at a ratio of one in three shifts. If they go longer than that, it can affect them for the rest of the game.
Keep the highlighted language in mind through this description of the opening minutes of the 3rd period as played by rookie Nick Leddy and all-star Duncan Keith. And imagine running hard for their described shift lengths, while taking the described rests in between.
Nick Hjallmarsson and Chris Campoli took the ice for the opening faceoff of the 3rd period, before yielding to Keith and Leddy. Leddy's first shift was long, 55 seconds, while Keith's was 36 seconds. Leddy and Keith were off the ice for 45 seconds before taking the ice again, this time for a 42-second shift. At the end of that shift, Leddy and Keith rested for 53 seconds before jumping on the ice again. Ten seconds into that shift by Leddy and Keith, Crawford froze the puck, leading to the only faceoff of the opening minutes of the period. The puck dropped 20 seconds later (scant rest for the weary), and Leddy and Keith completed their shifts -- 48 seconds for Keith, and a long 68 seconds for Leddy. They were off the ice for about 50 seconds each before taking the ice again. Leddy skated 38 seconds, and Keith an extra-long 74 seconds before this happened:
(Many thanks to Dimagus for the gifs)
The gentleman on the goalie's left who hits Laich into the boards too late, and then takes too low an angle and fails to prevent Laich from taking prime position in front of the goal, is Nick Leddy (#8). Behind the net, failing to tie up Eric Fehr or prevent the pass to Laich, is Norris Trophy winner Duncan Keith (#2). Which just goes to show what happens to a very good defenseman at the end of a 74-second shift when he's been double-shifting for several minutes with no breaks. Or, as Keith himself put it:
That was tough. We had four 'D' there for a good part of the game and five for most of the game. It wears on you, especially with a team like (Washington) with a lot of speed and guys who can do a good job cycling the puck and playing it down low.
All told, Keith had been on the ice for 3:20 and Leddy for 3:23 of the 6:23 of 3rd period action before the goal. The great irony is that pugilist Seabrook had already completed his penance -- the penalty expired after just 4:41. Of course, with both Seabrook and Chimera in the box, and the play at 5-on-5, neither player could leave the box until a whistle. So Seabrook languished in the box more than a minute and a half longer than he had to. In that time, Chicago attempted 4 shots -- 3 blocked and one low Campoli point shot stopped by a pad save. If the Hawks had shot the puck into Holtby's chest, he'd have frozen it and they'd have had an offensive zone faceoff -- with Brent Seabrook on the ice. Instead, play continued, and an exhausted defensive corps yielded a critical goal.
So the next time you see Mike Green, or even John Erskine drop the gloves, keep in mind that a team can afford to lose a forward for 5 minutes much more easily than a defenseman. This was an extreme situation, given Campbell's injury, but when a forward and a defenseman fight, the advantage always goes to the forward's team.
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Great stuff. I’d add that in the sequence that led to the GWG Mackan beat Keith to a puck in the corner. Sure, Mackan has speed, but he shouldn’t be out-skating Keith and he definitely shouldn’t be muscling Keith off the puck. I’d be willing to bet that if Keith isn’t gassed he almost always wins that battle. So in addition to the importance of short shifts and adequate rest, the total TOI is important. Skating Green for 28 is significantly more tiring than 26:30, even if it seems small.
Love you pointing out the CHI potential fighters on the ice.
I’d say with 6D you can stand to lose a bottom pair guy like Erskine, but I definitely wouldn’t want to lose a top pair guy like Green or Seabrook. While the AO line, Seabrook’s assignment, didn’t directly burn the Hawks for Seabrook’s fight, it’s pretty clear that the absence of a top pair guy really came back to bite them here.
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Erskine-for-Iginla is one I’d want Erskine to agree to every time. But I’d have to think very hard about, say, Erskine-for-Lucic. Lucic is clearly the better player, but losing Erskine throws the pairings off and makes all of the Caps’ D work harder than the Bruins’ F corps would have to work to compensate for losing Lucic. I’m not sure that would be a fair trade.
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Washington still suffers from legitimately below-average goaltending, which hurts them more than the defensive improvements help.
by Gould Old Days on Mar 14, 2011 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions
I guess the timing of the fight is also a factor for me. Is it early when the players are all still rested? Does it break up the 5 minutes evenly across an intermission so the other D only have to compensate for 2-3 minutes at a time? I generally agree with your Erskine guidelines, but I think I’m a tad bit more permissive of his fighting than you are.
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Truth is, I probably am too
Washington still suffers from legitimately below-average goaltending, which hurts them more than the defensive improvements help.
by Gould Old Days on Mar 14, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Excellent analysis, and give even more kudos to deserved Chimera. As observers and fans we will cheer the home team player whenever a fight occurs, but we often don’t pay attention to the penalty. If it’s near the end of the period they get an early trip to the locker room, if they’re in the penalty box how many of us look at the scoreboard to note when the 5 minutes will be up? I’d wager not nearly enough.
As evidenced by the situation, 5 minutes does not mean just 5 minutes. In this case it was 6:42 but it could have gone on longer, they turned 1/4 of a period into 1/3 by continuing without a faceoff. Now you start thinking strategically, with an injury and a fighting major reducing their defensemen down to 4, they can’t risk taking a regular minor penalty either. Apply some pressure and try to bait a holding, hooking, anything. Suddenly they’re down to 3 and you’re on the power play.
Puck possession and zone time are like adding weights to their skates. Whether you score a PPG then or have the Wheels line grind one out later in the period, it’s the smart play.
Is some part of that on Coach Q? Specifically, the part about getting the whistle to spring your guy. Are there some instructions he could have given his forwards, or were the Caps pwning them so thoroughly that they literally had no option?
And Imma trying to remember…Coach used his timeout only after the goal was scored, yes?
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In a remarkable coincidence, Quenneville used his TO at the exact mirror image time as the goal — with 6:23 left instead of 6:23 into the period. He used it wisely, after a long shift culminated in an icing and he couldn’t change lines.
But it wouldn’t have helped him. You can’t stop play with a TO – he needed an independent whistle.
Washington still suffers from legitimately below-average goaltending, which hurts them more than the defensive improvements help.
by Gould Old Days on Mar 14, 2011 8:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Gouldie asked about this in the GDT. It’s real hard to tell players to get a whistle at an exact moment in the flow of play. Normally you have to either yell “whistle” from the bench (or some facsimile), or you have to have a draw within :30 of the end of the penalty so the players on the ice know exactly what has to happen when they start their shift and they have a decent gauge of how long :30 is. Even :30 can be pushing it on the long side, but I assume NHL guys can handle that.
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Given the fact that defensemen only have three lines (as opposed to 4) and do not generally go the length of the ice in as much as a rush as the forwards, I always assumed that defensemen’s higher time on ice was attributed to longer shifts.
I learned something new today? So d men generally go back to the bench every 35-45 seconds just like forwards?
I always assumed that defensemen’s higher time on ice was attributed to longer shifts
Take a look at the TOI/shift leaders - a bit D-heavy, but not too much so.
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I’ll keep my eye on the D men next game to see how they roll.
And speaking of which. So if a team loses a D man and only has 5 left, does the coach try to keep the original pairings as much as possible and double shift the most conditions defenseman to fill the gap, or does he pretty much just stagger the shifts and then rotate one person at a time?
That depends on the talent at hand and the usual rotation a team has. Quite a few teams have a pair that will get 40% of the even strength time, and the other 2 pairs will get 30% or so of the even strength time. The 40% pair may not be the pair with the best defensman on it. If I’m the Caps, I don’t want Green out there 40% of the time even strength because I want him available for 75-80% of the power play minutes. A pair like Alzner-Carlson is the 40% pair, with Wideman, Poti, Green, Hannan and Schultz making up the balance (if everyone’s healthy). Some teams actually have defensemen who play half the game (Pronger used to, MacInnis and Leetch did before they retired, Langway in his prime did too).
I suspect if the Caps were down to 5 yesterday it would depend on who was out…
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Mar 14, 2011 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Great stuff, Gouldie. I’d noted the trade-off in today’s Ups and Downs, but this goes into great depth on that point. Beauty of a FanPost.
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Very informative fan post. Thanks for the analysis.
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Good stuff. I just wish I could show this fanpost to Matt Corrente or Mark Fraser…
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Mar 14, 2011 9:10 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Guys have problems with shift length? I thought Lemaire was real good at controlling shift length. Weird that young guys would be bucking the system.
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actually it was about defensemen being stupid and fighting scrubs. (Fraser broke his hand fighting McCormick early on in the season, and because of that I had to watch the horrorshow that was Oliver Magnan-Grenier, and I cannot unsee that)
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Mar 14, 2011 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Many thanks for your analysis. I love posts that teach me about the subtitles of the game. You illuminated a strategic moment in the game in which someone with my level of knowledge would have otherwise missed completely. Additionally, I will think of this post whenever we or another team is forced to roll just four or five defensemen. Before I only thought of how it messes up pairings, not the degree to which it can affect shift lengths.
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Sorry for my wordiness—need more coffee and clarity or mind.
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by capsyoungguns on Mar 14, 2011 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions
“of mind”
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by capsyoungguns on Mar 14, 2011 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions
I haven’t looked at the replays much, but I got the impression Chimera went after Seabrook for a fight for a recent hit, rather than Seabrook going after Chimera for a hit on Crawford.
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I’m going my memory here, but I believe Seabrook crosschecked Chimera first. They certainly got a little chippy.
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by capsyoungguns on Mar 14, 2011 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Yup. Seabrook gave Chimera an extra hit, and Chimera followed Seabrook, clearly saying “you want a piece of me?” I think it’s fair to say Chimera was very willing to fight.
Washington still suffers from legitimately below-average goaltending, which hurts them more than the defensive improvements help.
by Gould Old Days on Mar 14, 2011 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions
And won—woo hoo. Until your post, that’s all I thought of the moment. Chimmers actually won.
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by capsyoungguns on Mar 14, 2011 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Why, of all people, did Seabrook (0 previous fights this season) feel the need to take on the role of enforcer?
Watching from 118, both my brother and I saw Chimera get hit pretty hard, and took great exception to it. He was PISSED to say the least. IIRC, he followed after Seabrook skated in front and turned to face him asking him to go. The reason why I highlighted that section of your post is because it seemed to be that Seabrook did not want to fight and was what I said to my brother. I though I saw Chimera grab him and kind of force him into it.
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I agree. To me it looked like Chimmer was the aggresor in that one to the point where I was concerned that Chimmer might get an instigator penalty. I’m going to guess both players knew the situation (i.e. that Chicago was down a D man at the time) which is why Seabrook was reluctant to engage.
Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...
by dcsportsfan1 on Mar 14, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
What is the protocol for calling up a fanpost to the front page? IMHO this post deserves a cup of coffee.
policy here is to link to fanposts or fanshots in the daily caps clips, but not to promote them to the center column.
by Natty Bumppo on Mar 14, 2011 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
They kind of have a limited amount of time and this isn’t that interesting to the casual fan on a national broadcast, plus it probably took GOD a fair amount of time to look up shift lengths, etc.
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I originally didn’t realize that Campbell has already left the game due to his injury. But when the fight was happening, I felt like it was a good tradeoff; a third line forward taking one of the other team’s best defensemen off the ice. (And both parties spent more time in the box than the 5 minutes.)
On fights; it seems like when Green gets into fights, he at least fights with stars (or, relatively speaking, stars). This year he had fought Ilya Kovalchuk (a fight neither really wanted to do) and Brandon Dubinsky (who was leading the Rangers in goals at the time and near the top of the league in that department at the time as well).
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I was so hoping someone would do a post on this. Great job G.O.D.
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