Thursday Caps Clips: Sen't Home Happy
Your savory breakfast links:
- Recaps and other assorted musings on last night's win from us, Caps365 video (Hunter, Caps players), Vogs, Capitals Voice (audio), NHL.com, WaPo (gamer, blog), WashTimes (gamer, blog), DCEx, CSN Washington (highlights (video), Beninati), DCEx (blog), 106.7 The Fan, Peerless, Frankovic, KOL, DSP, Caps Basketball, Examiner, The Checking Line, Puckhead, OFB, Sick Unbelievable, and RMNB, and from the Sens' side of the ledger, Silver Seven.
- Welcome back, Alex Ovechkin ... [Alex Ovetjkin, Half Smokes]
- ... you've been missed ... [NHL.com]
- ... though Chris Neil and maybe even Sheriff Shanahan may feel somewhat differently. Expect to see more about this story today. [RMNB, PHT, Puck Daddy, Canoe.ca, CBC.ca, TVA, @Ian_Mendes]
- HNIC was watching Twitter so you didn't have to... [CBC.ca]
- ... and here are the players' reactions. [The Score]
- Fight Card: Brouwer vs. Winchester [HockeyFights]
- Oh hai there @GreenLife52. You seemed to be in quite the chipper mood last night. [Glittarazzi]
- Jason Chimera seems a natural fit for Dale Hunter hockey. [WashTimes]
- Troy Brouwer checks in at the quarter-pole. [Homer McFanboy]
- What is it with the Caps' goaltending? [WaPo]
- Hey, maybe they could call up ... Philipp Grubauer. [WashTimes]
- Historically, changing the coach hasn't proved to be a quick fix. [DCEx]
- Bridging the scoring chances divide. [ESPN Insider $]
- Oh, and about that power play. [WaPo]
- Brooks Laich chatted up the Sports Junkies. [106.7 The Fan]
- Sky Kerstein and Dave Ross talk Caps. [FOX 5 (Video)]
- Trends
We Don't LikeThat I've Spotted, Capitals edition. [Driving Play] - It's karaoke time on Caps Breakaway. [Caps Overtime (video)]
- Finally, congratulations to Evgeny Kuznetsov, voted as a starter into the KHL All-Star Game by his fans. [RMNB]
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“I try to keep it clean out there”…coming from one Chris Neil, hmmm, really? Another two first name player…you know what they say…
Oh Mike Green, I do love your silly Vespa-riding, slipper-wearing, airheaded ways. Tweet on, GreenLife52, tweet on.
That'll make your weagle wink!
"You're the boss, apple sauce" - @GreenLife52
by boutros23 on Dec 8, 2011 7:24 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
I imagine it resembles Yellow Submarine.
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"You're the boss, apple sauce" - @GreenLife52
by boutros23 on Dec 8, 2011 7:27 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
For the Young 'Uns Who might not remember...
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There’s an animated movie that goes along with this album cover…
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Dec 8, 2011 9:44 AM EST up reply actions
Must be one o’ them unidentified flying cupcakes.
by Murshawursha on Dec 8, 2011 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
Still awesome.
"My favorite fan base in D.C. Is United's. Period. The end." - Steinberg
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Something that avoids the tests, that’s for sure.
"My favorite fan base in D.C. Is United's. Period. The end." - Steinberg
Keep United in DC. A Fair Deal at RFK, and a Pathway to a Stadium for a team loyal to the city.
I don’t know, but “Your the boss apple sauce” is strangely catchy. I’ve amused myself for at least a minute deciding how it should be punctuated, too.
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Properly, it’s “You’re the boss, apple sauce.” He’s calling Ovi “apple sauce.” If you want to be really precise, it should be capitalized because he’s using it as a name.
by jopierce on Dec 8, 2011 9:02 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I thought “applesauce” was one word?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 8, 2011 9:45 AM EST up reply actions
Maybe he’s not referring to mashed up apples but rather something you’d sauce apples with, like caramel.
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It’s written both ways. I prefer it separated.
by jopierce on Dec 8, 2011 9:49 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Separated, strained, mashed, and with a bit of cinnamon.
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by J.P. on Dec 8, 2011 9:50 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
000
I prefer it spelled this way

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 8, 2011 9:52 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Mr. Show and Larry Sanders drops in the last 10 minutes. Fuck, goodbye work.
"My favorite fan base in D.C. Is United's. Period. The end." - Steinberg
Keep United in DC. A Fair Deal at RFK, and a Pathway to a Stadium for a team loyal to the city.
I get the ode to 69 Boyz, but “break the pickle”?
"You can want to get to April but when you get to April you may not like the answers you get, so you might as well enjoy the ride while it's going on." - Brian McNally on JRR, 8/29/2011
Apparently from The Love Guru.
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Oh, so he’s the one person on earth who saw that movie…
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And you’d know that because….?
"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."
Google! (I wouldn’t watch that crap if you paid me.)
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“Oh, what a beautiful Mornin’
Oh, what a beautiful day.
I’ve got a beautiful feelin’
Everything’s goin’ [their] way.”
I think we scared the neighborhood screaming when Ovi scored—in a new but old vintage highlight reel way.
Knuble: "I am what I am. I play well with good players."
Gads… we have to be careful. We had a reference to “Chicago” in the recap comments, and now this from “Oklahoma”… folks will think this is a Broadway Show Tunes blog….
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Dec 8, 2011 9:45 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Only on Some Enchanted Evenings….
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Dec 8, 2011 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
I could have danced all night
"One of the most difficult things everyone has to learn is that for your entire life you must keep fighting and adjusting if you hope to survive." -George Allen
/OT
"My favorite fan base in D.C. Is United's. Period. The end." - Steinberg
Keep United in DC. A Fair Deal at RFK, and a Pathway to a Stadium for a team loyal to the city.
sure I was late, but it was OT?
"One of the most difficult things everyone has to learn is that for your entire life you must keep fighting and adjusting if you hope to survive." -George Allen
It’s been for awhile and I’d hoped it’d have fizzled out on its own. Such is life I suppose.
"My favorite fan base in D.C. Is United's. Period. The end." - Steinberg
Keep United in DC. A Fair Deal at RFK, and a Pathway to a Stadium for a team loyal to the city.
Oh that sounds like my kind of game!
Sincerely,
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Dec 8, 2011 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
So, tune in later to see if Hunter will maintain the same lines or not. Maybe he should leave Brouwer on the 2nd line so that line can actually be an scoring threat.
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Odd that a “second” line of Brouwer/Johansson/Halpern should all get fewer than 15 minutes of ice time, while the “third” line of Chimera/Laich/Ward should average 17 minutes per player. A lot of that is Brooks Laich’s special teams minutes (and he played a whopping 5:04 in PK time; only Alzner played more), but it still seems odd.
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I consider the Laich/Chimera line to be our 2nd line this year in spite of what the “management” may report. And that was true pre-Hunter.
Our nominal second line had been getting about the same minutes at Even Strength as our 4th line. Yesterday, they actually got more.
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Hunter basically sat Eakin, Perreault, and Schultz for 3P. Each got one shift. Erskine only got three, compared to 10 for Wideman and 11 for Alzner.
Hunter is coaching as a junior coach, HS coach or youth coach would in shortening his bench at the end. As long as our boys are in condition and hold up, I remain supportive.
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I’m fine with the concept, but not enamored of the execution. Having Orlov-Wideman as a PKing D pair with a one-goal lead late while Schultz sits makes no sense to me.
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I’m not a Schultz-hater, but that didn’t bug me as much.
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It would’ve if Ottawa had scored.
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My ire would have been directed at Joel Ward more than it already is.
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There’d have been more than enough ire to go around.
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How the heck can players continue to swing down on sticks, knowing that’s almost an automatic call? Frankly, it’s a lazy-man’s play. Take the extra stride and use the body or lift the stick.
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Especially, in that instance, given the location on the ice where it took place. Wholly unacceptable.
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Last in the game in the neutral zone. It was as if Semin was occupying Ward’s body momentarily.
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Sorry – Late in the game
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Eh, I think Semin’s stick calls are not so violent. He gets the in the hands hook call way more often. Lets leave him outta this one.
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I was thinking in terms of the timeliness and positioning of penalties more than the actual infraction.
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I wasn’t happy with the timing either, or the fact it cost us a quality turn over. But, on the other hand, I see him battling. Ward has been in my book kinda soft on the puck in some instances (Game against the Jets where EK9 gets two goals) and it was good to see him battle through that one. Result unfavorable though.
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I thought that was a horseshit call that Winchester bought with whatever the slashing equivalent of diving is.
Ward pinned Winchester’s stick down and pushed him off the puck. That’s a legal play.
It might be a dangerous play at that point in the game and location on the ice, but it was not a legit call.
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I’m with you on that one. If the sticks had any structural integrity there would be no call there. The slashing rule needs to be updated to account for the relative frailty of the modern hockey stick.
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I don’t believe the stick broke. Winchester dropped it and flung himself to the ice, clutching his wrist and hollering.
Ward’s stick never made contact with Winchester’s wrist, and in fact was at least a couple of feet away from the wrists. There’s a reason Ward was so incredulous on that call.
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Smart play by Winchester.
Ward also got the head snap high stick on Kesler.
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by Rob Parker on Dec 8, 2011 9:35 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
And not only being sat but getting even less time than Tyler Sloan or Sean Collins would get. Even Sloan would get that many minutes in a game unless injured.
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Thank you, thank you, thank you. 81/6 is asking for trouble, Orlov has been much better than i anticipated, but it’s only a matter of time before rookie mistakes come creeping in.
And Wideman is an adventure any time.
5 D basically never makes sense to me. 10 F I can live with for a limited duration.
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Shows either a ton of confidence in Orlov or a gigantic lack of confidence in Schultzie. I’m betting more the latter. Not good for 55.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 8, 2011 9:45 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I was not excited to see Orlov-Wideman out there on that crucial PK.
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by Killer_Carlson on Dec 8, 2011 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
I hope our high minute boys are in shape for uber minutes.
And how did Schultz get marginalized so fast? (Should we have sold him high?)
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What happened to the Sarge, it was only a couple of years ago he led the league in plus minus.
What say you, hockey gods???
Do I have to fisk this now?
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by Bald Pollack on Dec 8, 2011 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
He's been busy with his blues side project Honey Boy Sarge

Order his new album Jus’ a Defensive D-Man and you can get such Sarge Standards as “Talkin’ CI/OFB Blues”, “175 Foot Goals Don’t Come as Easy as They Used To”, “36D Woman Done This 4-D Man Wrong” and his stirring cover of the Coasters’ "Charlie Brown aka “Why’s Everyone Always Pickin’ On Me?”. Guest musical appearences from Jose Theodore and the DCettes.
by Rather Bengt on Dec 8, 2011 10:32 AM EST up reply actions 13 recs
Don’t forget, “Dubi, Why’d You Have To Do Me Like That?”
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by J.P. on Dec 8, 2011 10:33 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
And his country-blues song “Orlov Got the Goldmine, I Got the Shaft”.
by Rather Bengt on Dec 8, 2011 10:35 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
And Mike Green’s duet with Sammy Hagar, “I Can’t Drive 55… Any More.”
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by J.P. on Dec 8, 2011 10:42 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Even on his fuel-injected turbo-charged Vespa?
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Dec 8, 2011 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
That was the B-side to “Broken Ribs, Busted Hearts,” no?
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by Scott in Shaw on Dec 8, 2011 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
And good call calling them Sarge “standards” and not “hits,” because… well, you know.
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by J.P. on Dec 8, 2011 10:34 AM EST up reply actions 8 recs
Disclaimer: No relation to Nick “Also 55” Schultz
You tried your best and failed miserably. The lesson is "Never Try."
Speaking of that, HOLY SHIT I wish Joe B. would shut up already about Erik Karlsson and John Carlson not being related. 4 times at least last night, combined with 3 or 4 last week. We get it.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 8, 2011 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
NO! We must constantly be reminded! NEVER FORGET!
Also, FYI, Joel and Cam Ward, no relation.
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Also, John CARLson and KARL Alzner – no relation.
JEFF Halpern and JEFF Schultz? Also no relation.
ALEX Semin and ALEX Ovechkin? Probably related, since they were grown from genetically-engineered steroid fetuses in a Soviet super soldier project.
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Unleash the Apathy.
by D'ohboy on Dec 8, 2011 10:58 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
And that’s how AO could be born even though his mother is a man! Steigerwald was right!
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by Killer_Carlson on Dec 8, 2011 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
He does the same thing with Andy Greene and Mike Green. It’s like he’s contractually obligated to mention it at least 4-5 times a broadcast.
Also, LOL at them having to plug Chris “I Can’t Pronounce Hockey Player Names” Miller’s John Wall interview.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 8, 2011 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
As it’s an optional, just wait until tomorrow night.
"My favorite fan base in D.C. Is United's. Period. The end." - Steinberg
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So who will come to the “optional” practice? Probably our “marginal” guys, such as Eakin, Perreault, Semin, Schultz,, the rookies (Orlov), Neuvy, and the injured guys who are healthy enough to skate. Do not expect to see Ovi or Backstrom.
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I don’t know, but am “looking forward” to your analysis.
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by Bald Pollack on Dec 8, 2011 8:08 AM EST up reply actions 11 recs
THEY ALL SHOULD BE THERE
/Tracee Hamilton’d
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 8, 2011 9:46 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
God I hate her. Thank you for this.
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by _Skullduggery_ on Dec 8, 2011 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
I mentioned this last night in the game thread but it was choas
You guys ever notice that if a team is down 5-3, they’ll pull their goalie with about 2 minutes left and leave him out the entire remainder of the game.
BUT. If a team is down by 1 goal (say.. 4-3), and with a minute left of so they get scored on so they’re down by 2 goals (5-3), they just give up and leave the goalie in.
Two difference scenarios, but the product is the same, a minute left and you’re down by 2, but in one case you leave the goalie in and the other you put him back.
I guess you could argue that the latter is morally deflating, or that you’re really worried about being tied with that team at the end of the season and you have to rely on goals for, for positioning.
In the latter case in the playoffs, the coaches will always leave that goalie out when you get scored on, but not during the regular season.
Wusses.
I didn’t get the see the video of the Neil/Ovechking “incident” until this morning. Maybe I’m just a homer, but I see a hook, not really a spear. Still, it should have been called. And definitely a dive.
What annoys me more is the blatant nationalism of the hosts of On the Fly. Studio at TSN? Check. Game broadcast by TSN? Check. Hosts Canadian? Check. Am I wearing tinfoil? Maybe.
Somewhat related, I could have sworn that part of the new contract with NBC called for them to build the NHL a new studio in NY (Connecticut?) for OTF and related shows. Am I wrong? I’d really like to see them out of TSN.
"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."
OTF with Duff and Weekes showed video, showed interviews with Anderson, Neil, and McLean. Showed nothing from the Caps’ side and presumed guilt. There was not question of whether it was part of Ovi’s natural stride.
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That’s what I was referring to. Just watched it over breakfast. Fortunately, it didn’t ruin my meal.
"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."
Good to see they’ve updated their segment since 10:00 central last night.
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The Canadian media went just a little bit er, nuts about this incident. Blame it on a slow hockey night.
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Slow hockey night
I would have thought Crosby’s two game rest would have filed the airwaves sufficiently.
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It practically did. Errey was near tears, and I was surprised they didn’t roll out the Steigerwald twin cousins to weigh in.
Cross check and all call.
They had a date down at the local pasture.
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by D'ohboy on Dec 8, 2011 10:59 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Aww, Em, you went there… and no one caught it yet?
"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."
Sadly, yes…and no.
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On behalf of the gentlemen readers of this blog, we all caught it, but observe the unspoken manlaw of not guffawing at a brother’s yambagal discomfort.
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by J.P. on Dec 8, 2011 9:23 AM EST up reply actions 9 recs
Agreed. Note that the ladies have chosen to pursue this line of discussion, while we men, feeling the pangs of sympathy pain in their own groin areas, have stayed away.
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My two favorite things about the incident: Neil admitted it was his guy, and it was Neil.
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Guy or guys?
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I thought you were using “guys” where I might have said “boys.”
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My left one is James Westfall and my right one is Doctor Kenneth Noisewater…
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by ThePeerless on Dec 8, 2011 10:16 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
If you ladies play your cards right, you just might get to meet the whole gang.
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For guys who didn’t want to talk about balls, you sure are chatty.
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Just don’t want to talk about trauma to balls.
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by Rob Parker on Dec 8, 2011 10:25 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
And if you happen to be a woman, Scott will finger you with his penis.
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by _Skullduggery_ on Dec 8, 2011 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
I think that was an Eastbound & Down reference.
J.P.: You might be the king of all geeks here…
by Alz Well That Ends Well on Dec 8, 2011 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
obligatory: http://youtu.be/GoWblwKdeHg
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by _Skullduggery_ on Dec 8, 2011 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
So Neil admitted the stick hit below his “girls”, but above his “boys”. Got it.
by Rather Bengt on Dec 8, 2011 9:45 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Somewhat related, I thought Neil’s quotes on the incident were surprisingly non-inflammatory and appropriate.
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Nope. No bias. No editorializing. Just straight reporting on the game. Nothing to see here folks, just move along.
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I don’t think there’s any doubt that the NHL in general is by, for and of the Canadian good old boy network, and that network generally values Canadian players and products of the Canadian junior system more highly than players who don’t fit that mold.
The TSN studios are a more rarefied version of the above.
Not surprised a bit that they jumped immediately to “How long is the suspension going to be.”
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I am so torn on the Ovechkin-Neil incident.
I so want to believe that Neil simply got in the way or was in the wrong spot as Ovechkin pitchforked his way up ice. I watch Ovi swing and swing and swing and then he hits Neil in the gut and keeps swinging and skating and swinging.
However, I do think I see a slightly different wind up and poke as he hits Neil. It’s not the exact same fluid motion. Second, I find it interesting that Ovi didn’t look back, didn’t throw his arms up, didn’t react at all as if he was shocked the blade hit Neil. Add to this the circumstantial evidence of the check Neil had on Ovi moments earlier, and it would seem like Ovi did it on purpose.
Shanahan can suspend him under a ruling that “you are always responsible for your stick.” But, I think it’s hard for Shanahan to determine whether the spear was part of Ovi’s natural stride or not. It’s also next to impossible to determine how hard the blade hit Neil and how much was embellishment. For me, there was a definite dive.
(Lastly, let me add that we try so hard as youth hockey coaches to eliminate this pitchforking style. Fact is that skating with your stick on the ice is faster and you are more nimble to catch up a puck. Hold the stick in one hand, swing your arms like running. That’s how you go fast. Pitchforking is actually slower.)
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Should’ve been a penalty on Ovi in-game, but not something the League needs to look at further, IMO (though it’d be nice if they apologized to Neil for tagging him with the unsportsmanlike).
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So, you’re in the camp that there was no intent? I really want to join that camp, but I’m struggling.
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No, I think there was intent, but within the bounds of what is “acceptable” but punishable within a game.
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Btw, he had “motive” for intent – getting stood up pretty good by Neil a moment earlier.
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Really? I don’t think there’s motive for a spear.
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No one likes to be straightened out and wants to get some sort of shot in on the hitter when he can. You’d likely have gotten worse if you’d delivered that hit to Howe, Richard, Messier…
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Bob McK agrees
I thought Ovechkin’s spear of Neil should have been a double minor or maybe a major but I’d be shocked if there’s supp discipline for it
Because he’s probably the one guy in the Canadian media who actually uses his brain before putting his mouth in gear. Or fingers in this case.
"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."
Eh, there are plenty. They just don’t draw the attention that the knee-jerk screamers do.
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Not a chance. Old timers never dished out cheap shots because they had respect for the game and the players, unlike today’s whippersnappers. That’s what I hear every time a guy like Esposito or Potvin talks about a dirty hit, so it must be true.
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by Killer_Carlson on Dec 8, 2011 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
Under Rule 62, the in-game penalty for Ovechkin, given that he made contact and that the call would have been “spearing,” would have resulted in a five and a game for Ovechkin. That’s the low end of the range. He could have revceived a match penalty had the referee deemed Neil “injured.” Had he “missed,” he still could have been assessed a double minor.
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Or a slash. Refs always do stuff like that. Juking the stats. But how do you make a body disappear?
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Use tidal reports to show that the spear actually happened in another rink.
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by Killer_Carlson on Dec 8, 2011 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
Perversely, because the penalties for spearing are so harsh, you rarely see it called. Slashing seems to be the substitute call of choice in my experience.
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Dec 8, 2011 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
why apologize to Neil? Watching the replays after he got hit he looks around at the refs before falling to the ice. I think this is one of those rare cases where you could call a dive and the other penalty
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He definitely embellished it. But he also took a stick in the wherever and was essentially adjudged to have been completely making it up, something that’s pretty damaging to a guy’s reputation in this League, especially a guy like that (and yeah, I know, his rep is what it is already). They got that part wrong.
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Have to somewhat disagree on this. Ovie did deserve a 2 or 4 minute penalty on this, but Neil also deserved the unsportsmanlike penalty. Watch the video you posted, Neil actually looks back at the ref after being hit by Ovie and before he actually flops. He dove trying to get the call.
by CapsFanSince1979 on Dec 9, 2011 1:23 AM EST up reply actions
Great take by Kerry Fraser…http://tsn.ca/blogs/kerry_fraser/?id=382268
by CapsFanSince1979 on Dec 9, 2011 2:08 AM EST up reply actions
I find it amazing that a ref could call a dive when he likely didn’t see what precipitated it. Clearly all he saw was Neil on the ice. Guy should get the benefit of the doubt in that case. Why would he flop on the ice behind the play when he can assume the ref isn’t looking? Thats a risky move on his part.
Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...
I agree. I originally came down on the unintentional contact side, but the OTF angle makes it look like it was deliberate. Not sure how hard he got him, though, and he definitely seems to get it in the midsection rather than the giblets.
A little stickwork behind the play is worthy of a minor if they catch it. Can’t see Shanny getting involved. I have been completely wrong on predictions like this before, though.
I do think Neil totally oversold it and deserved his embellishment minor.
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Does Neil have a reputation as a diver around the league? Have to think that his reputation came into play on that call.
He has a reputation of generally being a douche and I think would do anything to try and gain an advantage. He also has somewhat of a reputation of stirring things up and letting others fight his battles. That said, I was surprised at Locker saying during the telecast that it would be very unlikely for Neil to dive, he’s a tough/honest player, etc. Not consistent with what I’ve seen.
I look at it like the play in the pre-season where Semin may or may not have been hit in the head. It was a play that shouldn’t happen, the CHI player attempted to do something illegal, but Semin’s blatant flop made it impossible to see how much contact there was and (IMO) made the league just ignore it. We didn’t even hear about a call. AO maybe gets a call, but this kind of thing happens all the time and it shouldn’t be a suspension.
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it’s one of those dirty things experienced players could get away with.
Look at it this way: if neil hadn’t fallen no one would have known ovie did anything, it was such a natural movement.
Mr. Ovechkin, would you like anything else with your burger?
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Do you prefer slices?
“Uh, no…spears.”
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by ThePeerless on Dec 8, 2011 10:51 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Perhaps the most encouraging thing about Ovechkin’s goal, in my mind, was the hard stop and change of direction in that it shows that his groin is at or near 100% healthy (or he has a phenomenally high pain threshhold).
His groin? Was it in question? Let me ask you – when’s the last time you saw him make a hard stop like that or a sharp cut? Some had pointed out his propensity to make looping turns, etc., and speculated that it might be because he was nursing something. That goal last night may have dispelled such thinking.
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Also encouraging to me was the fake slapper which drew the dman and goalie down. Tired of seeing guys take 180 degree windups only to have the puck end up hitting the dman’s shin pads. Now, Ovi was embarrasingly open thanks to the Karlsson fly-by (no relation), but it was a nice move that I would like to see others take advantage of. Keep the dman guessing.
I also think Ovi was able to make those strong moves behind the goal due to dmen expecting the move to the middle and cheating a bit that way. Perhaps that will keep them honest so that the move to the middle might work again.
Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...
Yep.
Odds that Ovechkin tries that move at least once a period for the foreseeable future? Even.
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Last night I thought Ovechkin had his most encouraging game in recent memory. A lot of the SOG were a result of him buying into the cycle and puck possession hockey.
I was thinking to myself “holy hell, if Hunter can get the S.O.B. line to buy in every night, this line could run the most dominant cycle in hockey.”
On the downside, it came against Ottawa, which has to be the worst team I’ve seen all year in terms of team defense. Just abysmal.
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He also had a curl and drag move where he got in between the D and the goalie, but Anderson made a nice save. That was very encouraging to see too.
he had at least 2 chances where he beat all the defense and anderson had to sprawl to keep Ovie out…He probably would have had a hat trick if he was fully on.
The fake slapper was nice, but the best part of that play hands-down was that he didn’t try to force a move to the inside, and instead looped around the net. He drew the ENTIRE Sens defense out of alignment and sent Karlsson skating out toward the Oort cloud when he stopped short.
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by D'ohboy on Dec 8, 2011 11:07 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Would that not depend on which groin is hurt? I’m not a skater, but would think that stopping on the good groin wouldn’t necessarily irritate the other — though a stop as hard as the one last night might activate both groins pretty hard.
Stopping at that speed, or most speeds for that matter, usually puts stress on the left and right sides of the groin; if that’s what you’re getting at. It’s actually pretty surprising, the amount of stress a lot of “hockey plays” or skating maneuvers put on your core and stabilizer muscles.
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It’s been far too long since we’ve seen Ovie make a sharp, crisp pivot like that. Never mind the beauty of a fake and even more beautiful goal that immediately followed.
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Clearly, he juiced before last nights game.
Or maybe he had a testosterone patch on his scrotum, and he knew that Chris Neil had the same. . . so his “spear” was just an attempt to dislodge Chris Neil’s testosterone patch from his scrotum?
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by Killer_Carlson on Dec 8, 2011 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
Finally, I used my powers for good ...
I post an interview with Troy Brouwer in the morning and he responds with a Gordie Howe hat trick that night. Should I start taking requests for future players to spotlight?
Waiting for the day Al Iafrate calls and tells me he's my father.
Do you do group interviews?
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by ThePeerless on Dec 8, 2011 8:15 AM EST up reply actions 11 recs
Gordie Howe hat tricks for some, miniature American flags for others!
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by The Ghost of Bebop on Dec 8, 2011 1:00 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
As a fellow Schultz supporter, you may want to talk to him – seems that he’ll need to do something to endear himself to the new boss.
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His BFF Andre Carter is back in town to pistol-whip the Redskins this weekend, so maybe Dre and I can stage an impromptu intervention with Schultz (or at least do another photo shoot) to get him pointed back in the right direction.
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RE: Ovie’s puck-juggling
Last night was I think the third straight game where Ovie attempted some sort of puck juggle—i.e., juggling the puck in mid-air with his stick blade, a la juggling a soccer ball—and the first time he actually pulled it off, passing the puck in mid-air down the LW boards. On the subsequent replay, Locker praised the move and suggested it was a sign that Ovie was having fun again.
But I won’t lie, a part of me cringes when I see Ovie puck juggle. Part of me enjoys the showmanship, sure, but a bigger part of me sees pointless elaboration.
What say you? Non-issue?
Given that (as I recall) it was an attempted poke check by the D that popped the puck into the air, I don’t really have a problem with him juggling it a couple times and throwing it around the D. If he’d have picked it up himself while crossing the blue line just for shits and giggles, then we could have this debate (though I’m still not sure I’d end up against it). All in all, not that huge a deal in my eyes.
He's just trying to be more Crosby-like like Milbury wants.
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by apk3000 on Dec 8, 2011 8:36 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Buy or sell: the biggest difference maker on the Washington Capitals through 26 games has been Dennis Wideman
Also, buy or sell Dennis Wideman is the 12th most valuable player in the NHL(!)
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Crap like that gives statistical analysis a bad name.
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Seriously. Plus, I think he changed his narrative after I posted on twitter about it. I remember it being much more forceful a case.
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Damn. It’s turning into a “must-screencap before criticizing” Internet.
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Yes, yes I would.
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“Would you be surprised if I told you that the formula we came up with doesn’t pass the sniff test but we’ll trot it out there anyway rather than going back to the drawing board?”
Nope.
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by J.P. on Dec 8, 2011 8:41 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
"LOOKING AT REALITY, NOT FANTASY."
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Or Carlzner
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Alzner gets my vote.
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I loved how Alzner just DOVE over the goal line last night and stayed there during that last penalty kill.
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by J.P. on Dec 8, 2011 10:55 AM EST up reply actions 8 recs
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Dec 8, 2011 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
….Trenton.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 8, 2011 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
And anything else is OT.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 8, 2011 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
Well, yes. But if we were going based on “If teams handed out individual Hart Trophies, who would get the Caps’?” Green would likely not meet anyone’s criteria. But I agree with the point, obv.
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Honest to God, I’ve been banging this drum during the “MVC” debate for several years. Green is – to me – the obvious MVP of this team.
I said this to KHTAD during a game the other day, but if you break hockey down into discrete actions, I think you’d have a list something like this:
Acquire the puck (takeaways)
Retrieve the puck (going and grabbing a loose puck, usually in the corners)
Settle the puck (what Schultz and Erskine really struggle at)
Transition (outlet pass, skate it out, etc.)
Gain the zone
Establish possession
Set up chances
Finish chances
Green, and maybe Backstrom, are the only players on the Caps that can/will do all of these tasks. And Green does all of them at ++ levels. If only he could stay remotely healthy.
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by D'ohboy on Dec 8, 2011 11:21 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Agreed, to say nothing of the fact that the drop-off from each to the next guy at their position is greater than the Ovechkin-to-Semin drop-off.
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Most true. . .
Speaking of which, I’m of the opinion that Wideman’s recovery from the charley horse has hurt his skating. I was surprised to see how (relatively) slow he was for an offensive defenseman when he arrived in DC last year, but he’s notably slower to my eyes this year.
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How can you say MG has been the biggest difference maker through the first 26 games when he’s missed half of them? This isn’t a question of who is the most talented, healthy or otherwise, is it?
Cross check and all call.
Because the Caps win when Mike Green is in the line-up?
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You know the list is suspect when MA Bergeron is #11. Wow.
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Did you read the Wideman section last night when I first tweeted it? I don’t recall so much hedging.
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I didn’t. Hedging by whom? The writers?
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Yea. I don’t remember it saying “While most fans will argue against him being the team’s early MVP….” I could be wrong tho.
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“While most people think our sample size is low, our analysis fraught with holes, and that the results lack even the closest sniff of reality . . . . "
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Ironic their tag line is “LOOKING AT REALITY, NOT FANTASY.”
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Somehow must have missed your tweet.
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by Rob Parker on Dec 8, 2011 9:59 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Ha. You’re such a shit.
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by J.P. on Dec 8, 2011 10:00 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Buy (but not in the good way) and sell.
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Well, I suppose “difference maker” can apply both positively and negatively, so I’ll buy on that. But MVP? Ehhhh… I think I gotta give that to Backstrom or Chimmy so far.
You idiot. Get back in there at once, and SELL! SELL!

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by ThePeerless on Dec 8, 2011 8:41 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I tweeted last night asking for clarification on if I was reading it right and Wideman was 19th most valuable.
So one assist over 26 TOI in a 5-3 win was enough to make Wideman jump up seven spots in the MVP ranking?
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If they are updating it after every game, I may have to bookmark it so I can get my daily joke of the day.
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I’ll just read this:
Shots – measures a player’s Aggressiveness or desire to score. This skill is very important at center, less so at the other positions.
Finally there is the skill we call Experience. Everyone knows that experienced players are more important to winning than rookie players.
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Sure. 44 gets more points than everyone else on the team for being experienced. That passes a sniff test with me.
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And then there is the skill we call, “skill.” Players who have a well-developed skill of “skill” tend to be more skilled than their less-skilled counterparts.
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by ThePeerless on Dec 8, 2011 8:57 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
“Everyone knows” is code for “I’m trying to slip something indefensible past you, please look the other way.”
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by fat_daddyo on Dec 8, 2011 9:23 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
The actual content in there isn’t actually bad. I’ve got no idea as to his formula, but what he wrote seems pretty spot-on.
When the Caps were going “well” at the beginning of the season, Wideman was playing very, very well. He’s struggled since. No doubt his “formula” takes this into account.
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My favourite part
is that in both sections it completely disregards my Maple Leafs.
Apparently not a member of the Eastern Conference, and no mention of Kessel or Lupul in any MVP discussion. Amazing.
Yup, that’s a trustworthy source for sure.
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 8, 2011 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
If anyone is interested, Power Scout Hockey is defending the selection via a Twitter convo with me.
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“I’m not that kind of player…who would spear someone.”
What else would one expect, Ovi to say?
Ian Mendez: “Ovi, after Chris Neil laid a pretty good check on you and while both of you were hustling back towards play at the other end of the rink it appeared you speared him pretty good in the cajones. Did you intend to do that, or no?”
Ovi: “He’s that kind of a player … Who wouldn’t spear him?”
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I would have liked him to apologize. I know a lot of you will disagree, but I would have preferred Ovi saying something like “I’m not the type of person who spears someone. I’ve been speared, I get it. If I hit him, and I’m still not sure I did, then I’m sorry, and I hope he’s ok.”
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SO nice to see OV playing at 80% of expectations for one night!!
Maybe he can keep it up, it would sure be an improvement on the HalfAss OV we’ve gotten for the last 12 months.
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OK, so what are your expectations over the course of a season, tangible numbers-wise?
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Speaking of OV, did Dimagus ever get around to posting the play that broke Karlson’s (sp?) ankles and selling the slapper to Anderson before sniping the net with a wrister?
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(Feel free to re-post it here… I’m sure no one will object.)
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I’m really diggin’ the 4th one … seems like the weight of the world off his shoulders, no?
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Ovechkin got his #MoJo back? I think so ...

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"Too many mutha uckas … Uckin’ with my shi- … The shi- fight’s gonna get vicious and malicious. Cut the cra- …I need my red delicious!
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priceless! sig worthy!
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by capsyoungguns on Dec 8, 2011 9:07 AM EST up reply actions
BTW, nice subtle move by Wides sneaking down and creating a passive pick and knocking Karlssons stick away from Ovi.
Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...
by dcsportsfan1 on Dec 8, 2011 9:15 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Mojo or just using a new move. I just hope he keeps it up. How many times have we seen him hold the puck and go behind the net?
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I expect Ovi to be at 45-55 and 100 every season through 30 years old. And lets not discuss numbers it been more about the sloppiness of his game then the lack of luck for him, We all have seen the same thing over the last year. We have seen a 4.5 million dollar a year player earning almost 10, I just expect him to lead the team in goals from start to finish of the season and points. The expectations I have are the same everyone has, he sn’t even close.
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You don’t anticipate (or even expect) the slightest bit of regression as he gets older? Wow, go you then. And those expectations aren’t shared by “everyone” here.
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45 goals a year by the age of 30 would be expected regression.I dont expect everyone to share my expectations. But what I do expect for everyone to agree on is that OV has fallen off a cliff ,productionwise. I doubt anybody here thinks OV is performing up to expectations or even close to it. The question people now are starting to ask is long slump or new norm? I hope last night might provide the spark to end the slump. But is it a slump??
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Take a look at this list of players since the lockout who have scored at least 45. How many are at least 26? How many of those seasons have been realized in the last 3 years?
If he lights it up even remotely close to what he’s done before I’ll be happy and willing to eat my words while he’s getting inducted into the HHoF, but you might want to consider whatever the new normal will be regardless of what your expectations are.
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Guess you don’t read these threads very much given what you wrote about expectations, slumps, and so on. Statistical scrutiny has even been brought to this question of realistic expectations and what the new norm should be. Because hey Ovi is already in the new norm. He’s not 19 anymore.
But last night was a 100% effort by Ovi, not 80%. He was a force out there and we got his first highlight goal for this season, and it was a doozy because he showed some new moves: That’’ll do Pig. That’ll do!
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Rec’d for the “Babe” reference.
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Gretzky, the all time leader in goals scored, averaged 47 between the ages of 26 and 30 (inclusive). Gordie Howe (second all time) averaged 35. Brett Hull (third) averaged 59, but he had 86 and 70 goal seasons at the start of that period. Marcel Dionne (fourth) averaged 51 smack dab in the middle of the go-go era.
There is a reason you don’t find players who played the bulk of their prime years past the 1995 lockout on the top of the all-time goals list. It’s a different game. If Ovechkin was to average 40 over his 26-30 years, it would be like averaging 50-plus in the 1980’s. It’s not likely to happen. Schemes are too sophisticated, scouting is too dedicated to finding tendencies, and goaltenders (not to mention their equipment) are better.
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I cant believe were arguing these numbers. What does it matter. Either he is playing up to expectations or not. Being on pace for 25 – 30 goals to me is unacceptable. You dont sign a guy to 10 million a year to get this type of production. Either its a slump or its not, but its far from exeptable from you 10 million a year superstar who should be in his prime,now.
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Have you heard of something called context?
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by Christoph J on Dec 8, 2011 9:49 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Keep moving the goalposts…
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by J.P. on Dec 8, 2011 9:49 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
By the way, Ovechkin with 10, 25, 50 goals or whatever … I expect him to lead the Caps in finally acquiring that shiny piece of hardware, stats be damned. You know … the holy grail?
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I’ve never understood this whole “unacceptable” thing. If player “x’s” performance is unacceptable, then what is one prepared to do concerning said player? Walk up to him and sternly say, “unacceptable?” Fire him? Beat him with a rubber mallet? Threaten to trade him to Columbus?
Or accept it?
It’s not like you or I can do anything about it. And there is that whole contract thing. Players get paid in the NHL, perform or not.
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Heh. I called Ward’s penalty “unacceptable”… and agree.
Though I meant it as shorthanded for “the type of play that can’t exist with any frequency on a team that wants to win a lot of hockey games, especially those in the post-season.”
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Simply put, the game was a lot more open...
when Gretsky played, yes? Lots more room to skate, and for skill guys to achieve. Watch some of those old Oilers clips and it looks like it’s three on three, or that they’re playing on an Olympic-size rink. I don’t think they were playing “the trap” then, were they? Over the last 10/15 years, it’s more like 10 guys in a telephone booth.
there was no trap, but obstruction was at it’s high point. Guys used to hook each other and hold on for the ride, they looked like they were water skiing. They’d bear hug each other along the boards. Plus, let’s be honest, goalies were so far out of their league in those days. Goalies didn’t stand a chance.
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The goalie play was laughable, and often the games were a series of line rushes.
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Remember that even though almost every player regresses as he gets near and past 30, there’s still the possibility Ovechkin becomes really good in his own end to partly compensate. Crossing my fingers for Selanne.
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by red army line on Dec 8, 2011 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
I expect Ovi to play like he did last night every night. Not losing pucks creating chances.Hitting and being sneaky nasty. Thats what I expect. The best damn player in the world. Power speed and nastiness. Everything that was AO.
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by capsyoungguns on Dec 8, 2011 9:14 AM EST up reply actions
I expect Ovi to play like he did last night every night.
You want him to play at what you characterized as 80%?
by bigeugene on Dec 8, 2011 9:48 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
They were in Ottawa last night. The Canadian exchange rate makes 110% = 80 %.
by Rather Bengt on Dec 8, 2011 9:50 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
at least it completely lacks any french…
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by Alz in the family on Dec 8, 2011 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
I have met Rather Bengt and can assure you, he smells perfectly normal.
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by D'ohboy on Dec 8, 2011 11:27 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Like you’ve spent too long sitting around complaining about Stephen Harper to nobody in particular in a Tim Horton’s in North York, Ontario.
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If it was in a Timmies in North York, I was probably sitting there bitching about Harper with Joel Ward.
by Rather Bengt on Dec 8, 2011 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
Schultz
Wow, I didn’t realize Schultz was limited the way he was. Hopefully it’s not an injury. I thought he had a pretty rough night, made a few bad turnovers on what seemed like some panicked play. At least he was keeping the puck to the outside along the boards, but it seems like he sometimes did it unnecessarily and he didn’t have the support he needed which resulted in a turnover.
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Hunter essentially said he was benched.
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And I’m not sure I buy that he’s injured because I’m not sure what DH32 gains by claiming Schultz was purposely benched vs. being hurt. If there is an injury he doesn’t have to disclose the nature of it.
I take Hunter at his word.
Agreed. The ice time pattern made me wonder if he had a stomach ailment or something and just dressed because Hamr couldn’t and no one else could. But after hearing Hunter explain it, no reason to think he’s being untruthful.
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I think we’re trading Schultz for Jerome Iginla. Only explanation.
by kingbonehead on Dec 8, 2011 10:07 AM EST up reply actions
Crosby and Malkin. And future considerations, which would be MAF and Simon Despres.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 8, 2011 10:08 AM EST up reply actions
I WANT A BIG CREASE CLEARING DEFENSEMAN, DAMMIT!
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Wideman? (Everyone leaves the crease — half of ‘em to celebrate, but still — when he’s there…)
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by redlineblue on Dec 8, 2011 10:22 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Yes. See above. Dale no likey Sarge.
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I just don’t understand why Wideman is skating 4 minutes a night on the PK. Limit Schultz’s minutes at 5 on 5, but why play Wideman so much shorthanded?
And a Wideman and Orlov pairing on the PK, inside of 3 minutes, trying to protect a 1 goal lead?
I don’t get it.
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Related: Vokes still looking preeeeeetty shaky out there.
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If I recall, 6 and 81 weren’t on ice for that scramble.
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by Davethecapsfan on Dec 8, 2011 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
All credit to the mighty Alzner. The guy does everything.
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by Davethecapsfan on Dec 8, 2011 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
The other minutes went uncounted. As real Caps fans can tell you, Sarge is best when he is invisible.
by Rather Bengt on Dec 8, 2011 10:59 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Since Hunter took over and brought in Jim Johnson, I have heard/read at various times that they want to employ more of a man-on-man style defense as opposed to the zone style defense that was employed under Boudreau. Granted, I certainly am no expert in such things, but it would seem to me that this would be a problem for a guy like Sarge as I viewed him as a sound defender positionally (i.e., covering his designated area) whereas he struggled in situations like defending the rush (i.e., requiring mobility to stay on his man). Still, this doesn’t explain his lack of utilization on the PK.
True there is more of man and man emphasis but there is also an emphasis on not having the opposing forwards enter the D zone with speed which should help by not having #55 out in space trying to stop an opposing forward on the rush.
Right. Essentially, the new defensive philosophy puts more of a premium on having agile defensemen and agility is not one of 55’s better qualities (or 4’s for that matter).
I don’t think you can ride 4.5 D for very long though.
27 won’t hold up over the balance of the season if he’s going to get 27 minutes a night.
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by Davethecapsfan on Dec 8, 2011 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
I think man-on-man might actually be better for big, slow defensemen than Boudreau’s zone was.
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by Gould Old Days on Dec 8, 2011 9:55 PM EST up reply actions
I’m hoping this is because DH wants a faster defenseman rather that just being mad at Schultz for not hitting hard enough. Although I really love the combination that Orlov is bringing to the table. Speed + Crunch.
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by _Skullduggery_ on Dec 8, 2011 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
ehh, I guess I should have read the earlier comments first. /shame
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by _Skullduggery_ on Dec 8, 2011 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
Scoring Chance Numbers
I’ve brought this up before to no avail when Neil first floated the #s, but it’s bugging the crap out of me. Per Neil’s article, Alzner is +18 scoring chances at 5v5 while Joel Ward is -17. 2nd place and last place on the team, respectively.
However, Ward is the forward that Alzner has played with most often at 5v5 (38.5%), and Alzner is the defender that Ward has played with most often at 5v5 (53.5%). (Assuming I’m reading these stats correctly)
http://www.behindthenet.ca/nhl_time_on_ice_stats.php?ds=8&f1=2011_s&f2=5v5&f3=KARLALZNER+JOELWARD&f5=WSH&f7=20-&c=0+1+3+5+8+9+10+11+12+13+14+15+16+17+18+19+20+21+22+23+24+25+26+27+28
Further, they have very comparable CORSI ON, OZone%, QoC and QUALCOMP.
http://www.behindthenet.ca/nhl_statistics.php?ds=63&s=30&f1=2011_s&f2=5v5&f3=KARLALZNER+JOELWARD&f5=WSH&c=0+3+10+11+12+13+15+17+20+23+24+25+29+30+34+63
How can Ward be out there with Alzner 53.5% of the time, but somehow lag behind him by fully 35 scoring chances? Similar sentiment applies to Chimera as well. Chimera is +3 in scoring chances while he has been Ward’s partner 70% of the time at 5v5. And of course this is all on top of the fact that Ward is a +5 on the season with a basically flat PDO. He has been on the ice for only 14 goals against at 5v5 but is somehow -17 in scoring chances. It just doesn’t pass the smell test to me.
Any thoughts?
Chimera is +3 in scoring chances while he has been Ward’s partner 70% of the time at 5v5.
I think thisBtN line combo thing is in beta still, cause I have Ward and Chimera sharing a line ~67%. Not a huge difference, but still a difference.
On to the 5v5 scoring chance data, updated to incl last night’s game.
Individually, Alzner has been on the ice for 119 for – 102 against, plus-17
Chimera 83-84, minus-1
Ward 76-96, minus-20
As a trio 5v5, Chimera-Ward-Alzner have been on the ice for 24 for, 33 against (minus-9).
Ward + Chimera, 51-62, minus-11
Ward+Chimera and NOT Alzner is 27-29, minus-2
Chimera without Ward 28-19, plus-9
Ward without Chimera 26-29, minus-3
Some Corsi Rel QoC numbers:
Ward-Chimera-Alzner 3.44
Ward+Chimera and NOT Alzner 0.51
Chimera without Ward (with and without Alzner) -1.20
Ward without Chimera (with and without Alzner) .922
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by NGreenberg on Dec 8, 2011 11:24 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
So Alzner, when on with other-than-Ward/Chimera, is 95 for, 69 against? Pretty unreal dominance, no?
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Alzner, without either Ward or Chimera, is 73-45.
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And signed for this year and next year at 1.2, followed by an RFA year.
GMGM is a fucking genius.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 8, 2011 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
Christ…his cap hit now is LESS THAN HIS ENTRY LEVEL DEAL.
LOL.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 8, 2011 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
Maybe not, he would have had to hit all his bonuses to get up there, and I doubt he did that.
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I thought bonuses were counted in full against the Cap, even if they weren’t met?
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Counted until they either cannot be or are not met, IIRC?
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by fat_daddyo on Dec 8, 2011 11:41 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
yes, counted until they cannot be met. GMGM explained it as:
if a player as a games played bonus, that bonus is counted until it’s no longer possible to meet the number of games
if a player has a goals/assists/points/whatever bonus, it’s going to be counted every single day, because it’s theoretically possible that someone could score 50 goals in the very last game and meet the number of goals needed for the bonus to kick in.
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No idea. Just going with what Capgeek says.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 8, 2011 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
And his latest contract has no performance bonuses.
Did he fire his agent and replace him with a rhesus monkey?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 8, 2011 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
He can’t have performance bonuses. Only ELCs and certain veteran contracts (older players coming off injury) are bonus-eligible.
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Ah. Thanks for the clarification.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 8, 2011 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
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I did. And I’ve been laughing all the way to the bank.
He’s quite the negotiator.
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I know when Johansson has his arb hearing, I’ll be praying for Mojo.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 8, 2011 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
Be thankful #fancystats aren’t allowed in arbitration?
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Be thankful Alzner had no arbitration rights. Advanced stats are most definitely used in arbitration hearings.
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Advanced stats are most definitely used in arbitration hearings.
Oh? Do you know of a specific example?
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by ThePeerless on Dec 8, 2011 12:01 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Can you tell us if it was just one example or multiple?
Did the full range of fancystats get put into play, do you know?
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It was a general comment, not about a specific player. It didn’t specify which stats, just said that everything the team looks at to evaluate players is in play for arbitration. So whichever teams are more prone to using advanced stats are going to be more prone to using them in arbitration.
Also, just logically, you know that agents are savvy and will use whatever evidence makes their client look good. Sometimes that will include advanced stats. You can look at the list of what is and isn’t prohibited in the arbitration hearings, per the CBA, see that advanced stats are not prohibited, and conclude that someone will use them.
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Are the arb briefs public? I didn’t think so, but then I seem to remember the Kovalchuk grievance one being out there. Or maybe that was the decision itself…
I haven’t seen any arbitration briefs or opinions. All I’ve seen are the final numbers.
Teams guard their briefs pretty closely. Whatever proprietary metrics they have are going to be included and they don’t want them getting out.
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I guard my briefs pretty closely, too. I’m always embarrassed when I’m down to the tighty-whities.
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Yeah, I can’t see clubs wanting the player briefs out there.
The Kovalchuk decision was released, but it was obviously a unique situation.
The individual chances are broken down by EV, PP and SH. EV includes 5v5, 4v4 and 3v3. Line combo data is just 5v5. That’s why the math doesn’t add up.
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Chimera without Ward (with and without Alzner) -1.20
Chimera without Ward 28-19, plus-9
I guess it seems like the answer is Ward just doesn’t get any of the more favorable opportunities that Chimera and Alzner are getting that have boosted their numbers. There is a reason why Ward is leading in both QUALCOMP and QoC, but I didn’t think the impact could be that big.
Thanks Neil
Re: BtN vs your numbers, do you both count the same things and the same way? (like Dobber uses events as an approximation for TOI) Do you count 6v5, too?
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by red army line on Dec 8, 2011 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
Further, they have very comparable CORSI ON, OZone%, QoC and QUALCOMP.
I would also caution against thinking Corsi and Scoring chance move in lockstep. Corsi takes blocked shots into account, scoring chances do not, for example.
Also, Corsi is all shots directed at net, scoring chances are a very specific part of the ice.
I use an example at the end of this RMNB article from last year, perhaps that helps clarify things a little.
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Schultz is eminently tradeable, and if he’s not going to be played, McPhee should try to find a new home for him now before he starts getting scratched and his value drops even lower. His salary is high, but not unreasonable. He’s still young. He may just need a place where his role — second pair defensive defenseman — can be better utilized.
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Marty St. Louis just took a puck to the eye area and left the ice bleeding. Bolts still skating at MSG.
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Update: St. Louis went to the hospital and is likely out tonight. No word on extent of injury, though.
"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."
And he was supposed to play in his 500th consecutive game tonight, which sucks – obviously in the grander scheme of things a milestone like that shouldn’t matter but 500 straight games is impressive, especially for a little guy in a League of big guys. Sad that he’ll have his streak snapped.
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Indeed. Other than when they play the Caps, I like the guy.
Preventable injury, though.
"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."
Exactly.
Notice something missing?
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6 inches in height?
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by timmyv38 on Dec 8, 2011 1:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
All of TBL’s hopes and dreams on his back?
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by Alz Well That Ends Well on Dec 8, 2011 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
TBL has quietly, or at least under my personal radar coverage anyway, lost 5 in a row.
I wonder what the rift is between VLC and Boucher?
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by fat_daddyo on Dec 8, 2011 1:38 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
It is clear that Stamkos is a coach killer and VLC is also a vampire.
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by SethB on Dec 8, 2011 2:24 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Ah, PD commenters, so consistent.
Ovechkin is a certified P.O.S. Talented, but cheap as hell. Sorry Ovie, crybaby cheaters like you never lift the cup. Good luck on your long, individually impressive but no championship career.
Somewhere, Claude Lemieux is startled.
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by ThePeerless on Dec 8, 2011 12:03 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
What a great movie…
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Dec 8, 2011 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
Allow me to translate:
“You suck Ovi because you are not on my team and, as such, I don’t believe you will win the Cup because I believe my team will win it every year. You are a crybaby and a cheater because you are not on my favorite team. If you were on my team, I would consider you a competitor and any indescretions like this would be considered accidental and “part of the game” and I would tell fans of other teams to get over it."
Good thing I speak 15-year old pimple-faced kid in my mom’s basement-ese
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by dcsportsfan1 on Dec 8, 2011 11:30 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
PD?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 8, 2011 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
Papá del duende malicioso
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 8, 2011 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
Pretty Dumb
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by ThePeerless on Dec 8, 2011 12:03 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Yeah, a team full of dirty cheaters just won the Cup last year.
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If you’re not cheating, you’re not trying…
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Hey, I won two Cups!
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Dec 8, 2011 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
Possible cause of Crosby’s 2-game absence, via PD.
http://thehockeywriters.com/video-krejci-elbows-crosby/
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After a neutral zone faceoff, Crosby slashed Krejci in the leg causing the Bruins center to chop back. The two scuffled and barked at each other after the shift was over before returning to their respective benches to continue the banter.
Tee hee. But Sid said that elbows to the head aren’t what he was talking about as a play that needs to be out of the game? When he was elbowing Foligno in the head it was just a hockey play. But now an incidental elbow is a cause for a slash and a lot of “banter” on the bench.
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by Rob Parker on Dec 8, 2011 11:35 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
next time that hypocritical ass gets his brain scrambled, I’m not going to feel the least bit sorry.
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I really can’t say I was sorry the first time, other than the “that’s too bad since he’s good for hockey in general.”
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by twistedlogic on Dec 8, 2011 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
I felt a little bad. But what little sympathy I had got less and less each time he opened his mouth.
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I felt bad until the repeated blasts at Steckel (I guess he never called out Steckel by name…but the “hits like that have no place in hockey” stuff).
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by twistedlogic on Dec 8, 2011 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
Eleven months ago, Crosby was in a similar situation after absorbing an elbow to the head from Washington’s David Steckel in the Winter Classic.
it was an incidental shoulder not an elbow but why let minor details like the facts get in the way of the story.
by Beakers Lab on Dec 8, 2011 11:37 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
David Steckel has elbows where your mere average human has shoulders.
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by RedBirdie on Dec 8, 2011 11:46 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
His arms are so long they require two elbows.
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by boutros23 on Dec 8, 2011 11:47 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Excellent photo on espn.com/nhl

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by JediChewbacca on Dec 8, 2011 11:47 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Photoshopped?
It’s just that…well…I thought vampires had no reflections.
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by redlineblue on Dec 8, 2011 12:42 PM EST up reply actions 11 recs
Wow, Crosby has a knack for running into people.
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by _Skullduggery_ on Dec 8, 2011 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
Simultaneously throwing an elbow AND a shoulder at that faded guy with his back turned (boarding?)
by Twenty Seven Ninety on Dec 8, 2011 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
Sutton
If you’re Andy Sutton and you’re six feet, six inches tall, why in the fuck would you need to leave your feet to hit someone?
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by D'ohboy on Dec 8, 2011 11:51 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Because you’re a dirty player who feels a need to throw dirty hits? He deserves a suspension for that.
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Oof. I hadn’t seen that angle before, which looks much worse than the one I saw during the game last night.
Shanahan will make an example out of this one, I’m guessing.
As for why he does it, he was trying to really blow a guy up, EDM was getting crushed and he was pissed off, and he lost his cool?
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Especially since he got tagged in preseason.
Reporter: "What’s your Mom’s birthday?"
Tortorella: "I have no idea."
He got suspended for 5 games just over a month ago – Nov. 1. Was there also a preseason incident? Because if so… Shanahan will have a field day with this.
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My mistake – I thought his 5 games were incurred in the preseason for some reason.
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Oh, he’s getting a suspension… the question is duration since he already has been on the receiving end of the Shanahammer earlier this season…
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Dec 8, 2011 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
What are you, an expert?
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by boutros23 on Dec 8, 2011 11:53 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Isn’t Theodore still out with the flu?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 8, 2011 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
Yup, just heard Theo’s in tonight.
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600th career game for him, btw, for those who care – way to go, Theo :)
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I think I’ll wear my Theo shersey in honor of his achievement!
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Gerbe Boarded
Suspension or no suspension?
I’m going with 2 games, but I’m biased because it’s the Flyers.
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Amazing how there are already two articles today about how Ovechkin’s single goal puts him back on track. It really highlights the focus on him.
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Saw the ESPN one, they did note the release of emotion from him after the goal, which I agree is telling that it’s been weighing on him.
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by Davethecapsfan on Dec 8, 2011 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
Slept in, woke up and remembered the Caps won, Ovechkin scored, Backstrom got a PPG, and Brouwer did a Gordie Howe.
I could swear it was Friday.
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Dec 8, 2011 1:44 PM EST up reply actions
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Just riding the bike in my gym at apartment building. thinking the neighbors might of heard me scream atta boys #gocapsgo
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Goddamnit, I joke broke six fingers.
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This is crucial now… which six?
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by KNUUUUUUUUUUBLE on Dec 8, 2011 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
Although Semin stunk up the joint last night (he did have a few flashes in the first period), let’s assume 28 on the first line is worth further experimentation, who goes to Semin’s spot on the 2nd line. I think MarJo and Brouwer deserve further stability and experimentation, so we need another winger on line 2. Even though Halpy scored there last night, that goal was really all Widemen in my opinion. Other than that, I don’t know if he distinguished himself as a permanent 2nd line player. I would love to have Knuble back in the top 6, but do we really need 2 big bangers on one line? I, personally, would prefer another shifty, reliable scorer. 85 and 50, while they fit the bill theoretically, probably can’t carry the load of a 2nd liner at this point in their careers. Any other possibilities? I am totally open to a trade but that might not be possible.
Not willing to call that goal “all Wideman”. How many juicy rebounds go unfinished cause guys don’t go to the net or have the hands to find the puck and bury it so far this year? That being said, I agree Haplern shouldn’t be on the 2nd line long term obviously.
I think Care Bears is more of a short term thing, and in the short term I think a line of 20-90-22 can work.
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by Davethecapsfan on Dec 8, 2011 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
As a Knuble fan, I am fine too with 20-90-22 – if it can produce. As to your comment, however, about “guys don’t go to the net and have the hands to find the puck…”, that is exactly what GMGM tried to get last year with the Brouwer, Ward, Chimmer, and Laich signings. How many of them do we need, however? Standing in front of the net and pounding rebounds is a pretty simple message that has been sounded for months now, but either: a) they (some of them, anyway) can’t do it or b) we need additional scoring generators in one of these slots.
I wasn’t commenting on it in a general sense, more just a specific note that for whatever reason this year, bounces haven’t been landing on our sticks or guys haven’t been finishing them. Halpie did, so I give him a little credit on the goal beyond Wideman just firing a shot into Anderson’s pads.
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by Davethecapsfan on Dec 8, 2011 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
Understood. Your point is a good one and I should have appreciated Halpy’s efforts more. Back to the general sense issue, though, I just don’t understand why the concept of punching in rebounds is so difficult. Almost (literally) every article, every coach interview, and every player interview says the same thing: “put those rebounds away.” Yet, why doesn’t it ever get done? Are these professionals tone deaf? Is it really that hard to do?
Well, the 2nd Ottawa goal was all Wideman.
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by KNUUUUUUUUUUBLE on Dec 8, 2011 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
Halpern did a good job going to the net, but Wideman basically put hit on his stick. He looked over, saw Halpern going to the slot and then fired a low, hard shot at Anderson’s right pad. Wideman knew exactly what he was doing and executed it perfectly.
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by Killer_Carlson on Dec 8, 2011 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed, it was far better than say…Sasha coming down, missing high and wide and clearing the zone for Ottawa all by himself. Just giving credit to Halpie for being where he should be, and getting a handle on the rebound while putting it home with no doubt on the shot.
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by Davethecapsfan on Dec 8, 2011 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
Just looked at Greenie’s twitterfeed again.
Did he really use the hashtag " #blockshotsyourface "?
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by j762 on Dec 8, 2011 1:56 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This reminds me of Seinfeld when George stopped having sex and turned into a supergenius, and when Elaine stopped having sex, she turned into a dunce.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 8, 2011 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
Leaving these here for future reference...


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by KNUUUUUUUUUUBLE on Dec 8, 2011 2:03 PM EST reply actions 12 recs
That first one needs to be tweaked to reflect the actual punctuation (and capitalization)
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I thought about doing that, but thought it might confuse some people.
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by KNUUUUUUUUUUBLE on Dec 8, 2011 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
How's this

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by KNUUUUUUUUUUBLE on Dec 8, 2011 2:26 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I never realized just how very large Ovechkin’s shoulders are. Is he just wearing bigger pads than the other guys, or are they that massive?
I think he wears some pretty big pads, but having quite literally run into the guy, he’s massive. I’ve never seen someone so broad.
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It looks like he’s got freaking basketballs under there. If that’s sheer muscle, wow. But I can totally see the argument for reducing pad size if that’s part of it.
It looks like he’s got freaking basketballs under there.
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by D'ohboy on Dec 8, 2011 4:00 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
There was a great photo spread last spring that showed Ovi right after practice in his pads. They didn’t seem super huge to me, but I also haven’t seen a ton of pro pads.
http://mattrothphoto.com/blog/2011/04/baltimore-dc-photographer/alex-ovechkin-for-the-sporting-news/
(apologies to whichever Caps-centric blog linked that one originally, I can’t remember for my stick tap)
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All I see in that first pic is a worried look of jealousy on #19’s face.
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by bagace on Dec 8, 2011 2:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Just checking in and can’t get the reply function to work, so adding to the arbitration discussion:
See CBA 12.9 section g and h for what can and cannot be used as evidence during an arbitration hearing.
Also, IIRC, it was Mirtle who got a hold of some portions of Morrisonn’s arbitration hearing briefs and published some quotes awhile ago.
Yea, and IIRC, those provide for only stats “kept or maintained” by the League, which rules out stats from Behind the Net or even scoring chances.
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Here is what it says:
(ii) The parties may offer evidence of the following:
(A) the overall performance, including official statistics prepared by the League (both offensive and defensive), of
the Player in the previous season or seasons;
(B) the number of games played by the Player, his injuries or illnesses during the preceding seasons;
© the length of service of the Player in the League and/or with the Club;
(D) the overall contribution of the Player to the competitive success or failure of his Club in the preceding season;
(E) any special qualities of leadership or public appeal not inconsistent with the fulfillment of his responsibilities as a
playing member of his team;
(F) the overall performance in the previous season or seasons of any Player(s) who is alleged to be comparable to the
party Player whose salary is in dispute; and
(G) The compensation of any Player(s) who is alleged to be comparable to the party Player, provided, however, that in
applying this or any of the above subparagraphs, the Salary Arbitrator shall not consider a Player(s) to be comparable
to the party Player unless a party to the arbitration has contended that the Player(s) is comparable; nor shall the
Salary Arbitrator consider the compensation or performance of a Player(s) unless a party to the arbitration
has contended that the Player(s) is comparable
D maybe could include stats like scoring chances/Corsi, but I’m not sure.
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Yeah, I agree that D is the most natural fit. And there’s nothing that would contradict that in the prohibit section.
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That is incorrect. Those stats are not ruled out. It specifically says that the performance of the player “including official stats” is allowed. It says nothing about advanced or unofficial stats. It says that evidence relating to the player’s contribution to the success of the team is admissible, which would pretty clearly count advanced stats. It also says that the arbitrator has sole discretion to rule on the relevance of the data. The stuff that is prohibited relates to what contracts can be compared, and other salary baseline figures.
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Here’s the prohibited list:
(iii) The following categories of evidence are inadmissible and shall
not be considered by the Salary Arbitrator:
(A) Any SPC the term of which began when the Player party to such SPC was not a Group 2 Player;59
(B) Any SPC entered into by an Unrestricted Free Agent, including SPCs signed by Players after the Player’s Club
has exercised a walk-away right pursuant to Section 12.10;
© The SPC of any Player who is not being offered as a comparable Player to the party Player;
(D) Qualifying Offers made by the Club pursuant to Section 10.2(b);
(E) Any prior offers or history of negotiations between the Player and the Club;
(F) Testimonials, videotapes, newspaper columns, press game reports or similar materials;
(G) Any reference to actual or potential walk-away rights;
(H) Any award issued by a Salary Arbitrator as to which a Club exercised its walk-away rights pursuant to Section 12.10;
(I) The financial condition of the Club or the League;
(J) References to a Club’s Upper or Lower Limit, or to the Players’ Share;
(K) Any salary arbitration award issued in 2005-2006; or
(L) Any reference to any salary or other compensation information in any salary arbitration opinion that took place
prior to the execution of this Agreement. If any salary arbitration opinion issued prior to the execution of this
Agreement is cited as precedent, all references to any Player’s Player Paragraph 1 Salary or other compensation
information will be redacted.
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Doesn’t it say stats "kept or maintained by the League?" I don’t know for sure, but I recall it does.
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http://www.japersrink.com/2011/12/8/2620218/thursday-caps-clips#85035911
(ii) The parties may offer evidence of the following:
(A) the overall performance, including official statistics prepared by the League (both offensive and defensive),
…
(D) the overall contribution of the Player to the competitive success or failure of his Club in the preceding season;
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Hunter on Schultz today
Listening to Hunter’s press scrum today sure does seem that Schultz did something in the first period to piss off the coaching staff.
Said decision to not play him later on in the game is based on what they see during the game.
Post commenters are throwing confetti right now.
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by KNUUUUUUUUUUBLE on Dec 8, 2011 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
I’m trying to remember the first period. I remember one time they got hemmed in and Schultz had two failed clears, kinda weak attempts to rim it around to the other side. I think, anyway.
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I think Ottawa had a rush where someone skated around Schultz, sent a pass through the slot and someone had Vokoun down but sent one through the crease, Tikkanen style.
Oh, yeah, I remember that play. Was it Michalek?
I hadn’t noticed that it was Schultz there.
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I think so, and I may be mixing up two different plays but I remember Schultz not containing his man on a rush down the RW and a chance resulting, and think that was the play.
It was Michalek, but it was Wides and Erskine that were on the ice for that one.
On the PK, Halpern a bit late getting on the ice couldn’t tie up Michalek and he walked right around Wideman.
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Erskine got torched for the first Sens goal, too. He got beaten on the rush, and even though they didn’t score right away, Ottawa kept possession and scored a few seconds later.
Erskine was a horror show on that goal. Had the puck with zero pressure and just flubbed it into neutral, which created all sorts of problems with the back check. Then like you said got burned in transition.
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What am I seeing that Hunter isn’t when it’s obvious that Schultz — even with all his deficiencies — is a much better player than Erskine?
Hunter wants his guys to play with an edge, which Erskine does and Schultz does not? All I can think of.
I don’t think it’s a coincidence that AO speared Neil last night, either.
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Or that Carlson elbowed whoever-it-was the other night. Er, the not-quite-an-elbow-to-the-head, I mean.
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So because Erskine is a little rough around the edges, his obvious talent deficiencies are ignored? Bring in tough, edgy players if you have to. Don’t try and change your current players.
Didn’t he see Slapshot?
Channel your inner Pierre McGuire and tell me where they played their Junior hockey.
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After we were talking about BryanMarchment in your fanshot yesterday, you may want to check out this youtube clip I found of some give and take between Marchment and Mike Gartner during his tenure with NYR. Added bonus near the end of the video when you get to see who Marchment’s coach is.
That coach looks super familiar but I can’t place the name…who is it?
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Here’s a hint: he thinks everyone in the league is a MONSTER.
Oh, and a Michael Nylander sighting at 0:56!
Reporter: "What’s your Mom’s birthday?"
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HAH! Pierre McGuire when he had some hair left. That is too funny.
No wonder he looked familiar.
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Yes, it pissed me off too. He kind of panicked with the puck which was bad, but at least he kept it to the outside. I’m sure there were more egregious giveaways in the game (by other players) though. Like I said in an earlier post, I hope this in combination with his lack of quickness were the main factors, and not his lack of toughness.
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by _Skullduggery_ on Dec 8, 2011 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
Good Whyno piece with quotes from Johnson
That’s the catch-22 – not wanting Schultz to be a liability while also trying to get him to improve what the coaching staff wants.
"It’s just giving him that opportunity, letting him get out and do it and work with him in practice and get him believing," Johnson said. "I don’t have a problem with him. I’ve always liked him as a player. I think he’s got good skill, good ability, and i’d like to see him – as I’ve told him – just be a little bit more aggressive, close on guys quicker and be a little bit more stronger to play against down in the corners and in front of the net."
Schultz was not made available to reporters Thursday. Johnson said Schultz is "fitting in" with the Caps.
"It’s not that he doesn’t fit in with what we’re doing. He’s big, he’s got a good stick, he’s got a good reach. I’ve been working with his feet; I think his feet are good. I’d like to see him get a little bit more explosive and a little bit more aggressive in the corners and in front of the net. I think it’s a little bit out of his personality, but there’s no reason why we can’t get that out of him."
"I think the biggest thing with coaching and with young kids is that you tell them what you expect, you show them how to do it and then you let them go out and do it. That’s what we’re trying to do and show him through video. There’s no question in my mind – he will be good for us."
That’s exactly what I thought when watching a game moment caught on video in which Johnson diagrams what Orlov should have done after a shift in which he had made a blunder. Can’t remember which game but I loved the immediacy and practicality of it—especially with a young guy in the midst of a massive learning curve.
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by capsyoungguns on Dec 8, 2011 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
That was Johnson’s first game in, and it was in the first period. It was amazing. I went to the practice the day before, right after word came he’d been hired, and he was on the ice, talking to all the Dmen, clearly instructing them already. He’s hands-on, positive, and ridiculously involved. It’s really good to see.
Yeah. We’ll see. If they’ve been trying to teach him the program and he’s not getting with it, a little benching is probably just what the situation requires.
I mean, I’d love it if 55 would start giving guys a faceful of palm in the crease, that sort of thing.
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Ideally, if 55 does what he is being taught, and when Greener comes back (before he gets hurt again, of course), our top D could be 52-55; 27-74; 6-81? I like it. Hammr and Erskine would then be out of the top 6, at #7 and #8 rotating in for injuries to the top 6.
6/81 as a D pairing scares me a little.
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by Davethecapsfan on Dec 8, 2011 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
As bad as 44 has looked, I’m still dressing him. Top pair D don’t forget how to play overnight, and I think at this point you need to let him play his way out of this (supposed—I know one person who disagrees…) rut.
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by red army line on Dec 8, 2011 6:08 PM EST up reply actions
Neil, I am not sure that is the case, but I don’t have the CBA in front of me at the moment.
Anyway, I recall the official stats being mentioned but didn’t recall it stating exclusively official stats. I am sure the other side could potentially poke holes based on source, etc., but I think they are allowed unless explicitly stated to be not allowed in section h.
Here’s the link to Mirtle’s blog entry on Morrisonn but the Globe & Mail link doesn’t work anymore. I’m sure it’s in the archives.
Bah, I am going to stop discussing here after this post, since I can’t use the reply function (tried rebooting, etc.),
Whyno just tweeted that an NHL spokesman said no supplemental discipline for Ovie.
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Uhh, Yeah. here’s what actual, supplement-type spearing looks like:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxi77lWJdaw
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I can’t watch it because I’m in class, but am I correct in assuming that that video involves MSM Briere?
That spear was awful, but did you check the score on the video too… it was 6-0 Sabres with 5+ minutes to go in the first period… double ouch.
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Dec 8, 2011 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
It also says he has been offered the option of an in-person hearing… ouch.
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I thought you had to have an in-person hearing if the potential suspension could be longer than 5 days. not sure what they mean by “option.”
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I think any in-person hearing is optional – but they only offer that if it will be a long suspension.
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thanks for clarifying. So long suspension you can have your hearing in-person or over the phone, your choice; short suspension are over the phone only.
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by Alz Well That Ends Well on Dec 8, 2011 3:55 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I assume that the indefinite suspension is designed to get him to the hearing, so they can read him the riot act and suspend him for 15-20 games or so.
As I suspected, Shanny is making an example.
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It was bad, but I don’t think it was 15 games bad. I’d give him 8 to 10, and I’m only go that high because he’s a repeat offender. Otherwise I think it’s worth 5 or so.
He just was suspended for being an idiot. I’d be amazed if it was less than a dozen games, and my money would be on somewhere around 15.
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I dunno… It was definitely high and he definitely jumped into it, but it wasn’t from behind, he didn’t board him, and I don’t THINK he led with an elbow (though my replay angle isn’t really conclusive on that last one). Sutton is an idiot, but that’s far from the dirtiest thing I’ve seen this season IMO. I’d bet ten as the upper limit.
He left his feet and the principle point of contact was the head. That’s awfully bush league.
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I sort of rationalize it as 5 for the headshot, 2-3 for leaving his feet, and 2-3 for being a repeat offender.
I guess I could see 12, but I’d be surprised to see a Cooke-ish suspension tossed out here.
Sutton is about to have the book thrown at him…
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Dec 8, 2011 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
Do you all realize he also leveled Jeff Skinner and got into a fight because of it in the same game?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oSQSvwJQK4
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by KNUUUUUUUUUUBLE on Dec 8, 2011 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
Clean hit though. Was it Skinner that Ovi crunched earlier in the year? I just remember that it was a young player. I’ll have to go check the games.
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No shock Sutton has been suspended indefinitely. He was out of control last night. Hit on Poni, hit in Staal, hit on Skinner.
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Hits are a given and part of the game, but dirt and illegal hits aren’t. The Skinner hit seemed clean.
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Yeah I agree the hit was clean, just remarking that Sutton had quite a night. Still haven’t seen video of the hit that got him suspended, anyone have a link?
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by KNUUUUUUUUUUBLE on Dec 8, 2011 5:15 PM EST up reply actions
This was posed earlier: http://video.thescore.com/watch/sutton-nails-ponikarovsky
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Reading Kerry Fraser’s column on tsn.ca. His opinion is that it was a nicely done spear and Ovi should have been ejected, but what really caught my eye was this:
One tell-tale sign that a ‘diver’ usually provides is looking toward the referee the instant contact is made; usually prior to the player even falling to the ice. Chris Neil immediately turned his head (video) toward the referee after Alex Ovechkin’s stick blade entered Neil’s midsection.
I can tell you that as hard-nosed a player Chris Neil is, his picture appears in the ‘embellishment book’ that most of the NHL referees have assembled in their mind. The penalty Chris was assessed for diving might be the result of the little boy that cried wolf too many times in the mind of the ref (In that same period, I believe Chris fell down unnaturally in an attempt to draw a penalty after being bumped in front of the Caps net by defenceman John Erskine).
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MSL might be hurt a bit more than suspected...
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Just awful. Took puck to face RT @mirtle: #TBLightning: Marty St. Louis is out indefinitely after suffering facial and nasal fractures.
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As if they weren’t already having enough problems.
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Yeah… and it’s a shame it happened to MSL. He seems to be a classy guy – I have nothing but respect for him.
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Damn, that is bad, bad luck.
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