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OTTAWA, CANADA - DECEMBER 7: Chris Neil #25 of the Ottawa Senators battles for the puck against Alex Ovechkin #8 of the Washington Capitals during an NHL game at Scotiabank Place on December 7, 2011 in Ottawa, Ontario, Canada.  (Photo by Jana Chytilova/Freestyle Photography/Getty Images)

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“I try to keep it clean out there”…coming from one Chris Neil, hmmm, really? Another two first name player…you know what they say…

by ralCapsFan on Dec 8, 2011 7:23 AM EST reply actions  

I hate that prick, but at least he did say that he doesn’t see Ovi as that kind of [dirty] player. Though obviously his opinion differs with the a large cross-section of our northern neighbors.

by Dirk Dangler on Dec 8, 2011 8:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh Mike Green, I do love your silly Vespa-riding, slipper-wearing, airheaded ways. Tweet on, GreenLife52, tweet on.

That'll make your weagle wink!
"You're the boss, apple sauce" - @GreenLife52

by boutros23 on Dec 8, 2011 7:24 AM EST reply actions   3 recs

One wonders what color is the sky in Mike Green’s world.

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by ThePeerless on Dec 8, 2011 7:24 AM EST up reply actions  

I imagine it resembles Yellow Submarine.

That'll make your weagle wink!
"You're the boss, apple sauce" - @GreenLife52

by boutros23 on Dec 8, 2011 7:27 AM EST up reply actions   3 recs

For the Young 'Uns Who might not remember...

There’s an animated movie that goes along with this album cover…

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by MikeL-Pivonka on Dec 8, 2011 9:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Must be one o’ them unidentified flying cupcakes.

by Murshawursha on Dec 8, 2011 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Still awesome.

"My favorite fan base in D.C. Is United's. Period. The end." - Steinberg

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by Bald Pollack on Dec 8, 2011 9:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Something that avoids the tests, that’s for sure.

"My favorite fan base in D.C. Is United's. Period. The end." - Steinberg

Keep United in DC. A Fair Deal at RFK, and a Pathway to a Stadium for a team loyal to the city.

by Bald Pollack on Dec 8, 2011 7:47 AM EST up reply actions  

I was thinking “plaid”

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by ThePeerless on Dec 8, 2011 7:51 AM EST up reply actions  

I don’t know, but “Your the boss apple sauce” is strangely catchy. I’ve amused myself for at least a minute deciding how it should be punctuated, too.

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by fat_daddyo on Dec 8, 2011 8:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Properly, it’s “You’re the boss, apple sauce.” He’s calling Ovi “apple sauce.” If you want to be really precise, it should be capitalized because he’s using it as a name.

by jopierce on Dec 8, 2011 9:02 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

I thought “applesauce” was one word?

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 8, 2011 9:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Maybe he’s not referring to mashed up apples but rather something you’d sauce apples with, like caramel.

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by J.P. on Dec 8, 2011 9:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Or maybe he just meant the consistency of his gray matter after his… 15th (unofficial) concussion in the last two years.

Please, call me F&B.

by Rob Parker on Dec 8, 2011 9:47 AM EST up reply actions  

It’s written both ways. I prefer it separated.

by jopierce on Dec 8, 2011 9:49 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Separated, strained, mashed, and with a bit of cinnamon.

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by J.P. on Dec 8, 2011 9:50 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

000

I prefer it spelled this way

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 8, 2011 9:52 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Mr. Show and Larry Sanders drops in the last 10 minutes. Fuck, goodbye work.

"My favorite fan base in D.C. Is United's. Period. The end." - Steinberg

Keep United in DC. A Fair Deal at RFK, and a Pathway to a Stadium for a team loyal to the city.

by Bald Pollack on Dec 8, 2011 9:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Don Cherry already has that world covered.

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by ExPatCapFan on Dec 9, 2011 1:10 AM EST up reply actions  

I get the ode to 69 Boyz, but “break the pickle”?

"You can want to get to April but when you get to April you may not like the answers you get, so you might as well enjoy the ride while it's going on." - Brian McNally on JRR, 8/29/2011

by bagace on Dec 8, 2011 7:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Apparently from The Love Guru.

That'll make your weagle wink!
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by boutros23 on Dec 8, 2011 7:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh, so he’s the one person on earth who saw that movie…

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by J.P. on Dec 8, 2011 7:50 AM EST up reply actions  

And you’d know that because….?

"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."

by gfcaps fan on Dec 8, 2011 8:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Google! (I wouldn’t watch that crap if you paid me.)

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by boutros23 on Dec 8, 2011 8:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Ha ha ha.

It just wouldn’t even have occurred to me to google it. But it was late and I was tired (14 hour work day yesterday). And terribly amused.

"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."

by gfcaps fan on Dec 8, 2011 8:04 AM EST up reply actions  

“Oh, what a beautiful Mornin’
Oh, what a beautiful day.
I’ve got a beautiful feelin’
Everything’s goin’ [their] way.”

I think we scared the neighborhood screaming when Ovi scored—in a new but old vintage highlight reel way.

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by capsyoungguns on Dec 8, 2011 7:29 AM EST reply actions  

I went bonkers, too. I think the fact that he had come so close but not scored yet, that made me so loud.

In the end, that top line was playing well all night. Im surprised they didnt get more goals.

Soon the Championship with be ours, all ours!

by kingzman264 on Dec 8, 2011 8:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Gads… we have to be careful. We had a reference to “Chicago” in the recap comments, and now this from “Oklahoma”… folks will think this is a Broadway Show Tunes blog….

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by MikeL-Pivonka on Dec 8, 2011 9:45 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Only on Some Enchanted Evenings….

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by MikeL-Pivonka on Dec 8, 2011 1:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Last Night, Last Night
It all began last night…

by MikeBrady on Dec 8, 2011 1:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I could have danced all night

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by caps&skins on Dec 8, 2011 4:22 PM EST up reply actions  

/OT

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by Bald Pollack on Dec 8, 2011 4:23 PM EST up reply actions  

sure I was late, but it was OT?

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by caps&skins on Dec 8, 2011 4:25 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s been for awhile and I’d hoped it’d have fizzled out on its own. Such is life I suppose.

"My favorite fan base in D.C. Is United's. Period. The end." - Steinberg

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by Bald Pollack on Dec 8, 2011 4:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Only when the Caps form trains and skate in circles

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by AMusingFool on Dec 8, 2011 2:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh that sounds like my kind of game!

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by MikeL-Pivonka on Dec 8, 2011 3:39 PM EST up reply actions  

So, tune in later to see if Hunter will maintain the same lines or not. Maybe he should leave Brouwer on the 2nd line so that line can actually be an scoring threat.

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by CapsFan75 on Dec 8, 2011 7:50 AM EST reply actions  

Odd that a “second” line of Brouwer/Johansson/Halpern should all get fewer than 15 minutes of ice time, while the “third” line of Chimera/Laich/Ward should average 17 minutes per player. A lot of that is Brooks Laich’s special teams minutes (and he played a whopping 5:04 in PK time; only Alzner played more), but it still seems odd.

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by ThePeerless on Dec 8, 2011 7:55 AM EST up reply actions  

I consider the Laich/Chimera line to be our 2nd line this year in spite of what the “management” may report. And that was true pre-Hunter.

Our nominal second line had been getting about the same minutes at Even Strength as our 4th line. Yesterday, they actually got more.

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by CapsFan75 on Dec 8, 2011 8:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Hunter basically sat Eakin, Perreault, and Schultz for 3P. Each got one shift. Erskine only got three, compared to 10 for Wideman and 11 for Alzner.

Hunter is coaching as a junior coach, HS coach or youth coach would in shortening his bench at the end. As long as our boys are in condition and hold up, I remain supportive.

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by STLSpidey on Dec 8, 2011 8:04 AM EST up reply actions  

I’m fine with the concept, but not enamored of the execution. Having Orlov-Wideman as a PKing D pair with a one-goal lead late while Schultz sits makes no sense to me.

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by J.P. on Dec 8, 2011 8:06 AM EST up reply actions  

I’m not a Schultz-hater, but that didn’t bug me as much.

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by STLSpidey on Dec 8, 2011 8:07 AM EST up reply actions  

It would’ve if Ottawa had scored.

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by J.P. on Dec 8, 2011 8:08 AM EST up reply actions  

My ire would have been directed at Joel Ward more than it already is.

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by STLSpidey on Dec 8, 2011 8:09 AM EST up reply actions  

There’d have been more than enough ire to go around.

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by J.P. on Dec 8, 2011 8:10 AM EST up reply actions  

How the heck can players continue to swing down on sticks, knowing that’s almost an automatic call? Frankly, it’s a lazy-man’s play. Take the extra stride and use the body or lift the stick.

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by STLSpidey on Dec 8, 2011 8:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Especially, in that instance, given the location on the ice where it took place. Wholly unacceptable.

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by J.P. on Dec 8, 2011 8:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Last in the game in the neutral zone. It was as if Semin was occupying Ward’s body momentarily.

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by STLSpidey on Dec 8, 2011 8:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Sorry – Late in the game

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by STLSpidey on Dec 8, 2011 8:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Eh, I think Semin’s stick calls are not so violent. He gets the in the hands hook call way more often. Lets leave him outta this one.

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by highslot84 on Dec 8, 2011 8:26 AM EST up reply actions  

I was thinking in terms of the timeliness and positioning of penalties more than the actual infraction.

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by STLSpidey on Dec 8, 2011 8:27 AM EST up reply actions  

I wasn’t happy with the timing either, or the fact it cost us a quality turn over. But, on the other hand, I see him battling. Ward has been in my book kinda soft on the puck in some instances (Game against the Jets where EK9 gets two goals) and it was good to see him battle through that one. Result unfavorable though.

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by highslot84 on Dec 8, 2011 8:32 AM EST up reply actions  

I thought that was a horseshit call that Winchester bought with whatever the slashing equivalent of diving is.

Ward pinned Winchester’s stick down and pushed him off the puck. That’s a legal play.

It might be a dangerous play at that point in the game and location on the ice, but it was not a legit call.

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by fat_daddyo on Dec 8, 2011 8:56 AM EST up reply actions  

I’m with you on that one. If the sticks had any structural integrity there would be no call there. The slashing rule needs to be updated to account for the relative frailty of the modern hockey stick.

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by renstar on Dec 8, 2011 9:19 AM EST up reply actions  

I don’t believe the stick broke. Winchester dropped it and flung himself to the ice, clutching his wrist and hollering.

Ward’s stick never made contact with Winchester’s wrist, and in fact was at least a couple of feet away from the wrists. There’s a reason Ward was so incredulous on that call.

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by fat_daddyo on Dec 8, 2011 9:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Smart play by Winchester.

Ward also got the head snap high stick on Kesler.

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by Rob Parker on Dec 8, 2011 9:35 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Oh, yeah, I’d forgotten about that one.

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by fat_daddyo on Dec 8, 2011 9:38 AM EST up reply actions  

And not only being sat but getting even less time than Tyler Sloan or Sean Collins would get. Even Sloan would get that many minutes in a game unless injured.

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by CapsFan75 on Dec 8, 2011 8:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Not really fair to compare how Boudreau would have done it to how Hunter’s doing it, is it? For all we know, Dale would staple Sloan or Collins to the bench just as hard.

by Murshawursha on Dec 8, 2011 8:18 AM EST up reply actions  

It has to have been some sort of “message” right?

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by NJNJ on Dec 8, 2011 8:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Thank you, thank you, thank you. 81/6 is asking for trouble, Orlov has been much better than i anticipated, but it’s only a matter of time before rookie mistakes come creeping in.

And Wideman is an adventure any time.

5 D basically never makes sense to me. 10 F I can live with for a limited duration.

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by fat_daddyo on Dec 8, 2011 8:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Shows either a ton of confidence in Orlov or a gigantic lack of confidence in Schultzie. I’m betting more the latter. Not good for 55.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 8, 2011 9:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I was not excited to see Orlov-Wideman out there on that crucial PK.

Release the Mackan!

by Killer_Carlson on Dec 8, 2011 11:13 AM EST up reply actions  

And I thought Schultz looked good in the little time that he got. Weird.

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by AMusingFool on Dec 8, 2011 2:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I hope our high minute boys are in shape for uber minutes.

And how did Schultz get marginalized so fast? (Should we have sold him high?)

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by CapsFan75 on Dec 8, 2011 8:06 AM EST up reply actions  

What happened to the Sarge, it was only a couple of years ago he led the league in plus minus.

What say you, hockey gods???

by RAGthaman on Dec 8, 2011 10:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Playing with Mike Green on a team + in the stratosphere.

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by RedRocka on Dec 8, 2011 10:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Do I have to fisk this now?

"My favorite fan base in D.C. Is United's. Period. The end." - Steinberg

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by Bald Pollack on Dec 8, 2011 10:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Hurry back 52, we miss you!

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by RAGthaman on Dec 8, 2011 10:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Don’t forget, “Dubi, Why’d You Have To Do Me Like That?”

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by J.P. on Dec 8, 2011 10:33 AM EST up reply actions   3 recs

And his country-blues song “Orlov Got the Goldmine, I Got the Shaft”.

by Rather Bengt on Dec 8, 2011 10:35 AM EST up reply actions   4 recs

And Mike Green’s duet with Sammy Hagar, “I Can’t Drive 55… Any More.”

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by J.P. on Dec 8, 2011 10:42 AM EST up reply actions   4 recs

Even on his fuel-injected turbo-charged Vespa?

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by MikeL-Pivonka on Dec 8, 2011 1:23 PM EST up reply actions  

That was the B-side to “Broken Ribs, Busted Hearts,” no?

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by Scott in Shaw on Dec 8, 2011 1:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Soon to be released, “Hard-Workin’ Man Who Ain’t Got a Fan”

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by ThePeerless on Dec 8, 2011 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Disclaimer: No relation to Nick “Also 55” Schultz

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by apk3000 on Dec 8, 2011 10:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Speaking of that, HOLY SHIT I wish Joe B. would shut up already about Erik Karlsson and John Carlson not being related. 4 times at least last night, combined with 3 or 4 last week. We get it.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 8, 2011 10:52 AM EST up reply actions  

NO! We must constantly be reminded! NEVER FORGET!

Also, FYI, Joel and Cam Ward, no relation.

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by J.P. on Dec 8, 2011 10:54 AM EST up reply actions  

____

Also, John CARLson and KARL Alzner – no relation.

JEFF Halpern and JEFF Schultz? Also no relation.

ALEX Semin and ALEX Ovechkin? Probably related, since they were grown from genetically-engineered steroid fetuses in a Soviet super soldier project.

Unleash the Apathy.

by D'ohboy on Dec 8, 2011 10:58 AM EST up reply actions   4 recs

Fuckin’ love that movie…

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by J.P. on Dec 8, 2011 11:02 AM EST up reply actions  

And that’s how AO could be born even though his mother is a man! Steigerwald was right!

Release the Mackan!

by Killer_Carlson on Dec 8, 2011 11:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Geeze, here and I thought they were twins.

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by AMusingFool on Dec 8, 2011 2:29 PM EST up reply actions  

They’re not related !?!

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by RedRocka on Dec 8, 2011 11:03 AM EST up reply actions  

He does the same thing with Andy Greene and Mike Green. It’s like he’s contractually obligated to mention it at least 4-5 times a broadcast.

Also, LOL at them having to plug Chris “I Can’t Pronounce Hockey Player Names” Miller’s John Wall interview.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 8, 2011 11:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Any chance he does it on purpose because he knows it’s become a drinking game?

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by OldPhil on Dec 8, 2011 11:54 AM EST up reply actions  

I don’t know, but I recently dropped him an e-mail saying, in effect, “Don’t ever change”

by discuit on Dec 8, 2011 2:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I attribute that more to Hunter and BB wanting to get Laich’s line out against the other team’s top line

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by Elliotte on Dec 8, 2011 8:06 AM EST up reply actions  

As it’s an optional, just wait until tomorrow night.

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by Bald Pollack on Dec 8, 2011 7:57 AM EST up reply actions  

So who will come to the “optional” practice? Probably our “marginal” guys, such as Eakin, Perreault, Semin, Schultz,, the rookies (Orlov), Neuvy, and the injured guys who are healthy enough to skate. Do not expect to see Ovi or Backstrom.

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by CapsFan75 on Dec 8, 2011 8:02 AM EST up reply actions  

As I won’t be at practice, I’ll have to depend on the news media for that.

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by CapsFan75 on Dec 8, 2011 8:09 AM EST up reply actions  

THEY ALL SHOULD BE THERE

/Tracee Hamilton’d

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 8, 2011 9:46 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

God I hate her. Thank you for this.

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by _Skullduggery_ on Dec 8, 2011 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I mentioned this last night in the game thread but it was choas

You guys ever notice that if a team is down 5-3, they’ll pull their goalie with about 2 minutes left and leave him out the entire remainder of the game.

BUT. If a team is down by 1 goal (say.. 4-3), and with a minute left of so they get scored on so they’re down by 2 goals (5-3), they just give up and leave the goalie in.

Two difference scenarios, but the product is the same, a minute left and you’re down by 2, but in one case you leave the goalie in and the other you put him back.

I guess you could argue that the latter is morally deflating, or that you’re really worried about being tied with that team at the end of the season and you have to rely on goals for, for positioning.

In the latter case in the playoffs, the coaches will always leave that goalie out when you get scored on, but not during the regular season.

Wusses.

by Brainumbc on Dec 8, 2011 7:53 AM EST reply actions  

The goalie usually goes back in due to the face-off being at center ice combined with the fact that there isn’t much time left.

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by zephyr on Dec 8, 2011 11:32 AM EST up reply actions  

I didn’t get the see the video of the Neil/Ovechking “incident” until this morning. Maybe I’m just a homer, but I see a hook, not really a spear. Still, it should have been called. And definitely a dive.

What annoys me more is the blatant nationalism of the hosts of On the Fly. Studio at TSN? Check. Game broadcast by TSN? Check. Hosts Canadian? Check. Am I wearing tinfoil? Maybe.

Somewhat related, I could have sworn that part of the new contract with NBC called for them to build the NHL a new studio in NY (Connecticut?) for OTF and related shows. Am I wrong? I’d really like to see them out of TSN.

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by gfcaps fan on Dec 8, 2011 7:59 AM EST reply actions  

OTF with Duff and Weekes showed video, showed interviews with Anderson, Neil, and McLean. Showed nothing from the Caps’ side and presumed guilt. There was not question of whether it was part of Ovi’s natural stride.

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by STLSpidey on Dec 8, 2011 8:01 AM EST up reply actions  

That’s what I was referring to. Just watched it over breakfast. Fortunately, it didn’t ruin my meal.

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by gfcaps fan on Dec 8, 2011 8:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Good to see they’ve updated their segment since 10:00 central last night.

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by STLSpidey on Dec 8, 2011 8:07 AM EST up reply actions  

The Canadian media went just a little bit er, nuts about this incident. Blame it on a slow hockey night.

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by EmilyB on Dec 8, 2011 8:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Slow hockey night

I would have thought Crosby’s two game rest would have filed the airwaves sufficiently.

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by STLSpidey on Dec 8, 2011 8:06 AM EST up reply actions  

It practically did. Errey was near tears, and I was surprised they didn’t roll out the Steigerwald twin cousins to weigh in.

Cross check and all call.

by bigonetimer on Dec 8, 2011 8:31 AM EST up reply actions  

They had a date down at the local pasture.

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by D'ohboy on Dec 8, 2011 10:59 AM EST up reply actions   3 recs

I wonder if they shared

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by AMusingFool on Dec 8, 2011 2:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Aww, Em, you went there… and no one caught it yet?

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by gfcaps fan on Dec 8, 2011 8:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Sadly, yes…and no.

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by EmilyB on Dec 8, 2011 9:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed. Note that the ladies have chosen to pursue this line of discussion, while we men, feeling the pangs of sympathy pain in their own groin areas, have stayed away.

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by STLSpidey on Dec 8, 2011 9:26 AM EST up reply actions  

My two favorite things about the incident: Neil admitted it was his guy, and it was Neil.

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by Rob Parker on Dec 8, 2011 9:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Guy or guys?

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by STLSpidey on Dec 8, 2011 9:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Gut.

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by Rob Parker on Dec 8, 2011 9:41 AM EST up reply actions  

I thought you were using “guys” where I might have said “boys.”

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by STLSpidey on Dec 8, 2011 9:42 AM EST up reply actions  

or “fellas”

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by Christoph J on Dec 8, 2011 9:44 AM EST up reply actions  

or “testicles”

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by J.P. on Dec 8, 2011 9:44 AM EST up reply actions  

or “testes”

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by Christoph J on Dec 8, 2011 10:01 AM EST up reply actions  

testes,testes,one,two,one,two. testes,testes.

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by RedRocka on Dec 8, 2011 10:02 AM EST up reply actions  

My left one is James Westfall and my right one is Doctor Kenneth Noisewater…

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by ThePeerless on Dec 8, 2011 10:16 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

If you ladies play your cards right, you just might get to meet the whole gang.

Please, call me F&B.

by Rob Parker on Dec 8, 2011 10:16 AM EST up reply actions  

For guys who didn’t want to talk about balls, you sure are chatty.

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by boutros23 on Dec 8, 2011 10:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Just don’t want to talk about trauma to balls.

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by Rob Parker on Dec 8, 2011 10:25 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Exactamente

Hi. My name is Christoph J. I'm a Caps fan.

by Christoph J on Dec 8, 2011 10:59 AM EST up reply actions  

And if you happen to be a woman, Scott will finger you with his penis.

Tu ne cede malis

by _Skullduggery_ on Dec 8, 2011 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

WTF?

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by Christoph J on Dec 8, 2011 3:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I think that was an Eastbound & Down reference.

J.P.: You might be the king of all geeks here…

by Alz Well That Ends Well on Dec 8, 2011 3:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks for clarifying. Damn … had to do a double take there.

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by Christoph J on Dec 8, 2011 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

So Neil admitted the stick hit below his “girls”, but above his “boys”. Got it.

by Rather Bengt on Dec 8, 2011 9:45 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

If it’s guy, then Juan Pelota would sound more eloquent.

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by Christoph J on Dec 8, 2011 9:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Somewhat related, I thought Neil’s quotes on the incident were surprisingly non-inflammatory and appropriate.

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by J.P. on Dec 8, 2011 8:12 AM EST up reply actions  

I’d agree with that assessment, which was sort of surprising. Like, maybe the media was trying to make a bigger deal out of it? Oh, and his coach, too.

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by gfcaps fan on Dec 8, 2011 8:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, he sounded quite reasonable.

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by boutros23 on Dec 8, 2011 8:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Dirty bastard!

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by Christoph J on Dec 8, 2011 8:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Nope. No bias. No editorializing. Just straight reporting on the game. Nothing to see here folks, just move along.

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by STLSpidey on Dec 8, 2011 8:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Yup yup yup. Forget the fact that only one guy got called and not two.

What do the refs know anyways? It’s not like they’re supposed to be professionals or anything at calling penalties

by Brainumbc on Dec 8, 2011 8:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Nice pull.

"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."

by gfcaps fan on Dec 8, 2011 8:43 AM EST up reply actions  

I don’t think there’s any doubt that the NHL in general is by, for and of the Canadian good old boy network, and that network generally values Canadian players and products of the Canadian junior system more highly than players who don’t fit that mold.

The TSN studios are a more rarefied version of the above.

Not surprised a bit that they jumped immediately to “How long is the suspension going to be.”

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by fat_daddyo on Dec 8, 2011 9:00 AM EST up reply actions  

I am so torn on the Ovechkin-Neil incident.

I so want to believe that Neil simply got in the way or was in the wrong spot as Ovechkin pitchforked his way up ice. I watch Ovi swing and swing and swing and then he hits Neil in the gut and keeps swinging and skating and swinging.

However, I do think I see a slightly different wind up and poke as he hits Neil. It’s not the exact same fluid motion. Second, I find it interesting that Ovi didn’t look back, didn’t throw his arms up, didn’t react at all as if he was shocked the blade hit Neil. Add to this the circumstantial evidence of the check Neil had on Ovi moments earlier, and it would seem like Ovi did it on purpose.

Shanahan can suspend him under a ruling that “you are always responsible for your stick.” But, I think it’s hard for Shanahan to determine whether the spear was part of Ovi’s natural stride or not. It’s also next to impossible to determine how hard the blade hit Neil and how much was embellishment. For me, there was a definite dive.

(Lastly, let me add that we try so hard as youth hockey coaches to eliminate this pitchforking style. Fact is that skating with your stick on the ice is faster and you are more nimble to catch up a puck. Hold the stick in one hand, swing your arms like running. That’s how you go fast. Pitchforking is actually slower.)

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by STLSpidey on Dec 8, 2011 8:00 AM EST reply actions  

Should’ve been a penalty on Ovi in-game, but not something the League needs to look at further, IMO (though it’d be nice if they apologized to Neil for tagging him with the unsportsmanlike).

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by J.P. on Dec 8, 2011 8:05 AM EST up reply actions  

So, you’re in the camp that there was no intent? I really want to join that camp, but I’m struggling.

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by STLSpidey on Dec 8, 2011 8:05 AM EST up reply actions  

No, I think there was intent, but within the bounds of what is “acceptable” but punishable within a game.

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by J.P. on Dec 8, 2011 8:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Btw, he had “motive” for intent – getting stood up pretty good by Neil a moment earlier.

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by J.P. on Dec 8, 2011 8:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Really? I don’t think there’s motive for a spear.

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by STLSpidey on Dec 8, 2011 8:25 AM EST up reply actions  

No one likes to be straightened out and wants to get some sort of shot in on the hitter when he can. You’d likely have gotten worse if you’d delivered that hit to Howe, Richard, Messier…

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by J.P. on Dec 8, 2011 8:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Bob McK agrees
I thought Ovechkin’s spear of Neil should have been a double minor or maybe a major but I’d be shocked if there’s supp discipline for it

by Rather Bengt on Dec 8, 2011 9:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Because he’s probably the one guy in the Canadian media who actually uses his brain before putting his mouth in gear. Or fingers in this case.

"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."

by gfcaps fan on Dec 8, 2011 10:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Eh, there are plenty. They just don’t draw the attention that the knee-jerk screamers do.

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by J.P. on Dec 8, 2011 10:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, that was probably a little too snarky. There are a few others I really respect.

"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."

by gfcaps fan on Dec 8, 2011 11:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Not a chance. Old timers never dished out cheap shots because they had respect for the game and the players, unlike today’s whippersnappers. That’s what I hear every time a guy like Esposito or Potvin talks about a dirty hit, so it must be true.

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by Killer_Carlson on Dec 8, 2011 11:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Under Rule 62, the in-game penalty for Ovechkin, given that he made contact and that the call would have been “spearing,” would have resulted in a five and a game for Ovechkin. That’s the low end of the range. He could have revceived a match penalty had the referee deemed Neil “injured.” Had he “missed,” he still could have been assessed a double minor.

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by ThePeerless on Dec 8, 2011 8:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Could’ve called it a hook.

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by J.P. on Dec 8, 2011 8:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Or a slash. Refs always do stuff like that. Juking the stats. But how do you make a body disappear?

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by Rob Parker on Dec 8, 2011 9:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Let me fetch a rug.

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by D'ohboy on Dec 8, 2011 11:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Use tidal reports to show that the spear actually happened in another rink.

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by Killer_Carlson on Dec 8, 2011 11:35 AM EST up reply actions  

I know a spot in the Pine Barrens….

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by bagace on Dec 8, 2011 12:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Perversely, because the penalties for spearing are so harsh, you rarely see it called. Slashing seems to be the substitute call of choice in my experience.

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by fat_daddyo on Dec 8, 2011 9:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Is there a double-minor for slashing?

by RCheli on Dec 8, 2011 10:56 AM EST up reply actions  

___

Just a single minor:

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by J.P. on Dec 8, 2011 11:01 AM EST up reply actions   3 recs

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by MikeL-Pivonka on Dec 8, 2011 1:26 PM EST up reply actions  

why apologize to Neil? Watching the replays after he got hit he looks around at the refs before falling to the ice. I think this is one of those rare cases where you could call a dive and the other penalty

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by Elliotte on Dec 8, 2011 8:12 AM EST up reply actions  

He definitely embellished it. But he also took a stick in the wherever and was essentially adjudged to have been completely making it up, something that’s pretty damaging to a guy’s reputation in this League, especially a guy like that (and yeah, I know, his rep is what it is already). They got that part wrong.

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by J.P. on Dec 8, 2011 8:15 AM EST up reply actions  

right I agree Ovie probably should have gotten a penalty there, but Neil played it up a bunch for getting hit in the stomach

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by Elliotte on Dec 8, 2011 8:19 AM EST up reply actions  

naw, that was a slick move that ovie pulled. 100% in stride and no-look. brings me back to learning to play rugby from out of shape 40 year olds. They teach you to rake and stomp undetected in the ruck, knee the opposing hooker in the face on scrums, how to not release without getting caught.

by snowburnt on Dec 8, 2011 12:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Have to somewhat disagree on this. Ovie did deserve a 2 or 4 minute penalty on this, but Neil also deserved the unsportsmanlike penalty. Watch the video you posted, Neil actually looks back at the ref after being hit by Ovie and before he actually flops. He dove trying to get the call.

by CapsFanSince1979 on Dec 9, 2011 1:23 AM EST up reply actions  

I find it amazing that a ref could call a dive when he likely didn’t see what precipitated it. Clearly all he saw was Neil on the ice. Guy should get the benefit of the doubt in that case. Why would he flop on the ice behind the play when he can assume the ref isn’t looking? Thats a risky move on his part.

Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...

by dcsportsfan1 on Dec 8, 2011 8:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Neil gets the dive because it appears that he looks back to see if the ref is watching and then collapses like he’s been shot

by Beakers Lab on Dec 8, 2011 8:23 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree. I originally came down on the unintentional contact side, but the OTF angle makes it look like it was deliberate. Not sure how hard he got him, though, and he definitely seems to get it in the midsection rather than the giblets.

A little stickwork behind the play is worthy of a minor if they catch it. Can’t see Shanny getting involved. I have been completely wrong on predictions like this before, though.

I do think Neil totally oversold it and deserved his embellishment minor.

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by fat_daddyo on Dec 8, 2011 9:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Does Neil have a reputation as a diver around the league? Have to think that his reputation came into play on that call.

by Kolzilla on Dec 8, 2011 9:22 AM EST up reply actions  

He has a reputation of generally being a douche and I think would do anything to try and gain an advantage. He also has somewhat of a reputation of stirring things up and letting others fight his battles. That said, I was surprised at Locker saying during the telecast that it would be very unlikely for Neil to dive, he’s a tough/honest player, etc. Not consistent with what I’ve seen.

by Dirk Dangler on Dec 8, 2011 9:29 AM EST up reply actions  

I was operating on the assumption that he has a rep for all of the unmanly qualities, including diving and embellishment.

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by fat_daddyo on Dec 8, 2011 9:35 AM EST up reply actions  

I look at it like the play in the pre-season where Semin may or may not have been hit in the head. It was a play that shouldn’t happen, the CHI player attempted to do something illegal, but Semin’s blatant flop made it impossible to see how much contact there was and (IMO) made the league just ignore it. We didn’t even hear about a call. AO maybe gets a call, but this kind of thing happens all the time and it shouldn’t be a suspension.

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by Rob Parker on Dec 8, 2011 9:43 AM EST up reply actions  

it’s one of those dirty things experienced players could get away with.

Look at it this way: if neil hadn’t fallen no one would have known ovie did anything, it was such a natural movement.

by snowburnt on Dec 8, 2011 10:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Mr. Ovechkin, would you like anything else with your burger?

“Uh, sure…pickles.”

Do you prefer slices?

“Uh, no…spears.”

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by ThePeerless on Dec 8, 2011 10:51 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Tickle tickle?

by Murshawursha on Dec 8, 2011 1:08 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Perhaps the most encouraging thing about Ovechkin’s goal, in my mind, was the hard stop and change of direction in that it shows that his groin is at or near 100% healthy (or he has a phenomenally high pain threshhold).

His groin? Was it in question? Let me ask you – when’s the last time you saw him make a hard stop like that or a sharp cut? Some had pointed out his propensity to make looping turns, etc., and speculated that it might be because he was nursing something. That goal last night may have dispelled such thinking.

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by J.P. on Dec 8, 2011 8:03 AM EST reply actions  

Also encouraging to me was the fake slapper which drew the dman and goalie down. Tired of seeing guys take 180 degree windups only to have the puck end up hitting the dman’s shin pads. Now, Ovi was embarrasingly open thanks to the Karlsson fly-by (no relation), but it was a nice move that I would like to see others take advantage of. Keep the dman guessing.

I also think Ovi was able to make those strong moves behind the goal due to dmen expecting the move to the middle and cheating a bit that way. Perhaps that will keep them honest so that the move to the middle might work again.

Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...

by dcsportsfan1 on Dec 8, 2011 8:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Yep.

Odds that Ovechkin tries that move at least once a period for the foreseeable future? Even.

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by J.P. on Dec 8, 2011 8:19 AM EST up reply actions  

hey, if it works keep doing it till they can stop you, then find something new to do (that’s the part Ovie needs to work on more)

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by Elliotte on Dec 8, 2011 8:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I’d say were in for about three years of that move…

I hope he mixes it up a bit. But it will be interesting to see how dmen play him when he gets moving down the left side.

Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...

by dcsportsfan1 on Dec 8, 2011 8:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Last night I thought Ovechkin had his most encouraging game in recent memory. A lot of the SOG were a result of him buying into the cycle and puck possession hockey.

I was thinking to myself “holy hell, if Hunter can get the S.O.B. line to buy in every night, this line could run the most dominant cycle in hockey.”

by Kolzilla on Dec 8, 2011 9:39 AM EST up reply actions  

On the downside, it came against Ottawa, which has to be the worst team I’ve seen all year in terms of team defense. Just abysmal.

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by J.P. on Dec 8, 2011 9:43 AM EST up reply actions  

For sure, and that goes for the whole team. They need to beat another team before we even begin to declare that the swagger is back.

by Kolzilla on Dec 8, 2011 10:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Relax, it was one period.

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by RedRocka on Dec 8, 2011 12:07 PM EST up reply actions  

He also had a curl and drag move where he got in between the D and the goalie, but Anderson made a nice save. That was very encouraging to see too.

by STLEdge on Dec 8, 2011 10:20 AM EST up reply actions  

he had at least 2 chances where he beat all the defense and anderson had to sprawl to keep Ovie out…He probably would have had a hat trick if he was fully on.

by snowburnt on Dec 8, 2011 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

As JP noted, let’s see what he can do against TOR, which is a couple notches up the scale from OTT in terms of team D, while still not being elite.

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by fat_daddyo on Dec 8, 2011 12:07 PM EST up reply actions  

The fake slapper was nice, but the best part of that play hands-down was that he didn’t try to force a move to the inside, and instead looped around the net. He drew the ENTIRE Sens defense out of alignment and sent Karlsson skating out toward the Oort cloud when he stopped short.

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by D'ohboy on Dec 8, 2011 11:07 AM EST up reply actions   3 recs

Would that not depend on which groin is hurt? I’m not a skater, but would think that stopping on the good groin wouldn’t necessarily irritate the other — though a stop as hard as the one last night might activate both groins pretty hard.

by Dirk Dangler on Dec 8, 2011 8:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Stopping at that speed, or most speeds for that matter, usually puts stress on the left and right sides of the groin; if that’s what you’re getting at. It’s actually pretty surprising, the amount of stress a lot of “hockey plays” or skating maneuvers put on your core and stabilizer muscles.

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by kingzman264 on Dec 8, 2011 9:07 AM EST up reply actions  

fair enough. as i said, i’m no skater so take your word for it.

by Dirk Dangler on Dec 8, 2011 9:11 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree, though theoretically it could change if you were stopping on only one edge. To stop as hard as he did I assume he stopped on both edges.

Also, after the stop the quick stride to start is going to hurt as well, so you really have to consider both legs regardless.

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by Rob Parker on Dec 8, 2011 9:54 AM EST up reply actions  

That was a phenomenal display of skating.

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by fat_daddyo on Dec 8, 2011 9:18 AM EST up reply actions  

I guess it depends which side the injury is on. He could be nursing a groin, but it would only take away the hard stops on one side, I would think.

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by RedRocka on Dec 8, 2011 9:35 AM EST up reply actions  

It’s been far too long since we’ve seen Ovie make a sharp, crisp pivot like that. Never mind the beauty of a fake and even more beautiful goal that immediately followed.

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by RedBirdie on Dec 8, 2011 9:41 AM EST up reply actions  

I’m with you, check that snow shower and you can see how hard he hit the breaks there. Definitely would have been excruciating pain on a pulled groin.

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by Rob Parker on Dec 8, 2011 9:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Clearly, he juiced before last nights game.

Or maybe he had a testosterone patch on his scrotum, and he knew that Chris Neil had the same. . . so his “spear” was just an attempt to dislodge Chris Neil’s testosterone patch from his scrotum?

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by D'ohboy on Dec 8, 2011 11:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Clearly.

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by Christoph J on Dec 8, 2011 11:09 AM EST up reply actions  

You can’t prove that it’s not true!

Release the Mackan!

by Killer_Carlson on Dec 8, 2011 11:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Finally, I used my powers for good ...

I post an interview with Troy Brouwer in the morning and he responds with a Gordie Howe hat trick that night. Should I start taking requests for future players to spotlight?

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by BrianMurphy on Dec 8, 2011 8:14 AM EST reply actions  

Gordie Howe hat tricks for everyone!

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by Elliotte on Dec 8, 2011 8:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Gordie Howe hat tricks for some, miniature American flags for others!

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by The Ghost of Bebop on Dec 8, 2011 1:00 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Well played, sir. Well played.

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by BrianMurphy on Dec 8, 2011 8:21 AM EST up reply actions  

As a fellow Schultz supporter, you may want to talk to him – seems that he’ll need to do something to endear himself to the new boss.

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by J.P. on Dec 8, 2011 8:18 AM EST up reply actions  

His BFF Andre Carter is back in town to pistol-whip the Redskins this weekend, so maybe Dre and I can stage an impromptu intervention with Schultz (or at least do another photo shoot) to get him pointed back in the right direction.

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by BrianMurphy on Dec 8, 2011 8:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Godspeed.

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by J.P. on Dec 8, 2011 8:25 AM EST up reply actions  

The Caps have not lost a game all season when I have my awesome Ducks jersey sitting on a coathanger with the rest of my sports equipment. When I moved it to the closet, the Caps began to lose. I moved it back after remembering they hadn’t lost with it out.

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by sydtron on Dec 8, 2011 1:11 PM EST up reply actions  

RE: Ovie’s puck-juggling

Last night was I think the third straight game where Ovie attempted some sort of puck juggle—i.e., juggling the puck in mid-air with his stick blade, a la juggling a soccer ball—and the first time he actually pulled it off, passing the puck in mid-air down the LW boards. On the subsequent replay, Locker praised the move and suggested it was a sign that Ovie was having fun again.

But I won’t lie, a part of me cringes when I see Ovie puck juggle. Part of me enjoys the showmanship, sure, but a bigger part of me sees pointless elaboration.

What say you? Non-issue?

by DonnieKnutts on Dec 8, 2011 8:22 AM EST reply actions  

if it means getting the old Ovi back then I’m all in. He hasn’t seemed to enjoy himself on the ice very much lately and if this indicates he’s out there having fun that’s a good sign for the Caps.

by Beakers Lab on Dec 8, 2011 8:24 AM EST up reply actions  

It’s cute until someone runs him hard because he’s focused on the puck and not where he’s going or whos nearby.

Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...

by dcsportsfan1 on Dec 8, 2011 8:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Given that (as I recall) it was an attempted poke check by the D that popped the puck into the air, I don’t really have a problem with him juggling it a couple times and throwing it around the D. If he’d have picked it up himself while crossing the blue line just for shits and giggles, then we could have this debate (though I’m still not sure I’d end up against it). All in all, not that huge a deal in my eyes.

by Murshawursha on Dec 8, 2011 8:30 AM EST up reply actions  

He's just trying to be more Crosby-like like Milbury wants.

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by apk3000 on Dec 8, 2011 8:36 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Put me in the camp of unnecessary showmanship. When you’re putting up 100 points a year, I can let it slide. 60 point pace? Time to cool it.

by Dirk Dangler on Dec 8, 2011 9:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Pointless elaboration. Get the puck on the ice and settle it down. Easier to maintain possession with a good pass.

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by Rob Parker on Dec 8, 2011 9:56 AM EST up reply actions  

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Also, buy or sell Dennis Wideman is the 12th most valuable player in the NHL(!)

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by NGreenberg on Dec 8, 2011 8:30 AM EST reply actions  

Crap like that gives statistical analysis a bad name.

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by J.P. on Dec 8, 2011 8:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Seriously. Plus, I think he changed his narrative after I posted on twitter about it. I remember it being much more forceful a case.

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by NGreenberg on Dec 8, 2011 8:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Damn. It’s turning into a “must-screencap before criticizing” Internet.

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by J.P. on Dec 8, 2011 8:38 AM EST up reply actions  

“Would you be surprised if I told you that Brian Campbell was currently the Most Valuable Player in the NHL?”

Yes, yes I would.

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by NGreenberg on Dec 8, 2011 8:39 AM EST up reply actions  

“Would you be surprised if I told you that the formula we came up with doesn’t pass the sniff test but we’ll trot it out there anyway rather than going back to the drawing board?”

Nope.

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by J.P. on Dec 8, 2011 8:41 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

"LOOKING AT REALITY, NOT FANTASY."

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by NGreenberg on Dec 8, 2011 8:42 AM EST up reply actions  

No love for Nick? Sell. And sell. Who is this guy?

Cross check and all call.

by bigonetimer on Dec 8, 2011 8:33 AM EST up reply actions  

gonna hafta go with nick or chimmy

by Brainumbc on Dec 8, 2011 8:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Or Carlzner

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by NGreenberg on Dec 8, 2011 8:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Alzner gets my vote.

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by STLSpidey on Dec 8, 2011 8:36 AM EST up reply actions  

I loved how Alzner just DOVE over the goal line last night and stayed there during that last penalty kill.

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Someone has to

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by Bman21212 on Dec 8, 2011 11:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Alzner, agreed…Carlson has had some struggles in his own zone this year.

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by bigonetimer on Dec 8, 2011 8:36 AM EST up reply actions  

You mean this guy?


He doesn’t look all that fast to be honest.

by STLEdge on Dec 8, 2011 10:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Is there a term for something worse than “jersey fail?” Like, “jersabomination?”

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by ThePeerless on Dec 8, 2011 10:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Elizabeth… Jersey City…. Fort Lee….

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by MikeL-Pivonka on Dec 8, 2011 1:28 PM EST up reply actions  

….Trenton.

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…Paterson…

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 8, 2011 1:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I think we have a winner.

by cainoo7x on Dec 8, 2011 1:40 PM EST up reply actions  

And anything else is OT.

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by Bald Pollack on Dec 8, 2011 1:42 PM EST up reply actions  

000

Pow!


GIFSoup

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 8, 2011 1:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Mike Green… and it’s not even fucking remotely close.

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by D'ohboy on Dec 8, 2011 11:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Well, yes. But if we were going based on “If teams handed out individual Hart Trophies, who would get the Caps’?” Green would likely not meet anyone’s criteria. But I agree with the point, obv.

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by J.P. on Dec 8, 2011 11:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Honest to God, I’ve been banging this drum during the “MVC” debate for several years. Green is – to me – the obvious MVP of this team.

I said this to KHTAD during a game the other day, but if you break hockey down into discrete actions, I think you’d have a list something like this:

Acquire the puck (takeaways)
Retrieve the puck (going and grabbing a loose puck, usually in the corners)
Settle the puck (what Schultz and Erskine really struggle at)
Transition (outlet pass, skate it out, etc.)
Gain the zone
Establish possession
Set up chances
Finish chances

Green, and maybe Backstrom, are the only players on the Caps that can/will do all of these tasks. And Green does all of them at ++ levels. If only he could stay remotely healthy.

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by D'ohboy on Dec 8, 2011 11:21 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Agreed, to say nothing of the fact that the drop-off from each to the next guy at their position is greater than the Ovechkin-to-Semin drop-off.

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by J.P. on Dec 8, 2011 11:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Most true. . .

Speaking of which, I’m of the opinion that Wideman’s recovery from the charley horse has hurt his skating. I was surprised to see how (relatively) slow he was for an offensive defenseman when he arrived in DC last year, but he’s notably slower to my eyes this year.

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by D'ohboy on Dec 8, 2011 11:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Everyone just gets slower when they rock the red, right Hamr?

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by Rob Parker on Dec 8, 2011 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Very nice break-out. Totally agree with your assessment.

by Wilderthing on Dec 8, 2011 12:11 PM EST up reply actions  

How can you say MG has been the biggest difference maker through the first 26 games when he’s missed half of them? This isn’t a question of who is the most talented, healthy or otherwise, is it?

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by bigonetimer on Dec 8, 2011 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Because the Caps win when Mike Green is in the line-up?

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by RedBirdie on Dec 8, 2011 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Same could be said of Nick Backstrom, too.

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by bigonetimer on Dec 8, 2011 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Sell.

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by highslot84 on Dec 8, 2011 8:33 AM EST up reply actions  

You know the list is suspect when MA Bergeron is #11. Wow.

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by STLSpidey on Dec 8, 2011 8:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Did you read the Wideman section last night when I first tweeted it? I don’t recall so much hedging.

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by NGreenberg on Dec 8, 2011 8:34 AM EST up reply actions  

I didn’t. Hedging by whom? The writers?

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by STLSpidey on Dec 8, 2011 8:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Yea. I don’t remember it saying “While most fans will argue against him being the team’s early MVP….” I could be wrong tho.

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by NGreenberg on Dec 8, 2011 8:37 AM EST up reply actions  

“While most people think our sample size is low, our analysis fraught with holes, and that the results lack even the closest sniff of reality . . . . "

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by STLSpidey on Dec 8, 2011 8:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Ironic their tag line is “LOOKING AT REALITY, NOT FANTASY.”

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by NGreenberg on Dec 8, 2011 8:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Somehow must have missed your tweet.

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by Rob Parker on Dec 8, 2011 9:59 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Ha. You’re such a shit.

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by J.P. on Dec 8, 2011 10:00 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Buy (but not in the good way) and sell.

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by Bald Pollack on Dec 8, 2011 8:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Well, I suppose “difference maker” can apply both positively and negatively, so I’ll buy on that. But MVP? Ehhhh… I think I gotta give that to Backstrom or Chimmy so far.

by Murshawursha on Dec 8, 2011 8:34 AM EST up reply actions  

I’d add Alzner.

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by J.P. on Dec 8, 2011 8:35 AM EST up reply actions  

I’d go with ovechkin.

They didn’t say a GOOD difference, ya know. Just difference :)

by Brainumbc on Dec 8, 2011 8:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Why do I always forget Saint Karl?

I suppose that means he’s doing an amazing job as a shutdown D?

by Murshawursha on Dec 8, 2011 8:43 AM EST up reply actions  

I tweeted last night asking for clarification on if I was reading it right and Wideman was 19th most valuable.

So one assist over 26 TOI in a 5-3 win was enough to make Wideman jump up seven spots in the MVP ranking?

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by NGreenberg on Dec 8, 2011 8:48 AM EST up reply actions  

If they are updating it after every game, I may have to bookmark it so I can get my daily joke of the day.

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by STLSpidey on Dec 8, 2011 8:49 AM EST up reply actions  

I’ll just read this:

Shots – measures a player’s Aggressiveness or desire to score. This skill is very important at center, less so at the other positions.
Finally there is the skill we call Experience. Everyone knows that experienced players are more important to winning than rookie players.

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by NGreenberg on Dec 8, 2011 8:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Sure. 44 gets more points than everyone else on the team for being experienced. That passes a sniff test with me.

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by STLSpidey on Dec 8, 2011 8:55 AM EST up reply actions  

And then there is the skill we call, “skill.” Players who have a well-developed skill of “skill” tend to be more skilled than their less-skilled counterparts.

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“Everyone knows” is code for “I’m trying to slip something indefensible past you, please look the other way.”

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by fat_daddyo on Dec 8, 2011 9:23 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

The actual content in there isn’t actually bad. I’ve got no idea as to his formula, but what he wrote seems pretty spot-on.

When the Caps were going “well” at the beginning of the season, Wideman was playing very, very well. He’s struggled since. No doubt his “formula” takes this into account.

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by D'ohboy on Dec 8, 2011 11:13 AM EST up reply actions  

My favourite part

is that in both sections it completely disregards my Maple Leafs.

Apparently not a member of the Eastern Conference, and no mention of Kessel or Lupul in any MVP discussion. Amazing.

Yup, that’s a trustworthy source for sure.

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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 8, 2011 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

If anyone is interested, Power Scout Hockey is defending the selection via a Twitter convo with me.

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by NGreenberg on Dec 8, 2011 2:14 PM EST up reply actions  

His results don’t pass the eyeball test, and the metric as explained has some pretty significant holes in it.

You gave him a pretty thorough education.

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by fat_daddyo on Dec 8, 2011 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

“I’m not that kind of player…who would spear someone.”

What else would one expect, Ovi to say?

Ian Mendez: “Ovi, after Chris Neil laid a pretty good check on you and while both of you were hustling back towards play at the other end of the rink it appeared you speared him pretty good in the cajones. Did you intend to do that, or no?”

Ovi: “He’s that kind of a player … Who wouldn’t spear him?”

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by Christoph J on Dec 8, 2011 8:32 AM EST reply actions  

I would have liked him to apologize. I know a lot of you will disagree, but I would have preferred Ovi saying something like “I’m not the type of person who spears someone. I’ve been speared, I get it. If I hit him, and I’m still not sure I did, then I’m sorry, and I hope he’s ok.”

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by STLSpidey on Dec 8, 2011 8:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Fair enough. Even if he were to apologize, I doubt he would’ve said anything that eloquently or thoroughly.

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by Christoph J on Dec 8, 2011 8:36 AM EST up reply actions  

SO nice to see OV playing at 80% of expectations for one night!!

Maybe he can keep it up, it would sure be an improvement on the HalfAss OV we’ve gotten for the last 12 months.

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by RedRocka on Dec 8, 2011 8:33 AM EST reply actions  

Must be the roid-detox

by Brainumbc on Dec 8, 2011 8:35 AM EST up reply actions  

OK, so what are your expectations over the course of a season, tangible numbers-wise?

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by Bald Pollack on Dec 8, 2011 8:39 AM EST up reply actions  

65 goals, 120 points.

What else?

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by fat_daddyo on Dec 8, 2011 9:25 AM EST up reply actions  

by the All Star break?

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by ThePeerless on Dec 8, 2011 9:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Good point. That’s completely what I expect.

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by fat_daddyo on Dec 8, 2011 9:37 AM EST up reply actions  

50 in 50

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by Christoph J on Dec 8, 2011 9:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Periods.

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by J.P. on Dec 8, 2011 9:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Ouch. That’s a lot of periods.

/ducks

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by Christoph J on Dec 8, 2011 9:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Well played, sir

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by Christoph J on Dec 8, 2011 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Speaking of OV, did Dimagus ever get around to posting the play that broke Karlson’s (sp?) ankles and selling the slapper to Anderson before sniping the net with a wrister?

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by Christoph J on Dec 8, 2011 8:41 AM EST up reply actions  

It’s in the Recap I believe.

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by highslot84 on Dec 8, 2011 8:42 AM EST up reply actions  

thanks

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(Feel free to re-post it here… I’m sure no one will object.)

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by J.P. on Dec 8, 2011 8:45 AM EST up reply actions  

I’m really diggin’ the 4th one … seems like the weight of the world off his shoulders, no?

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by Christoph J on Dec 8, 2011 9:06 AM EST up reply actions  

"Too many mutha uckas … Uckin’ with my shi- … The shi- fight’s gonna get vicious and malicious. Cut the cra- …I need my red delicious!

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by capsyoungguns on Dec 8, 2011 9:07 AM EST up reply actions  

You’re the boss, applesauce.

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by ThePeerless on Dec 8, 2011 9:16 AM EST up reply actions  

BTW, nice subtle move by Wides sneaking down and creating a passive pick and knocking Karlssons stick away from Ovi.

Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...

by dcsportsfan1 on Dec 8, 2011 9:15 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

If Wides doesn’t hit Karlsson’s stick, pretty good chance he is able to poke that puck away from Ovi when he makes the stop.

Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...

by dcsportsfan1 on Dec 8, 2011 9:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Wides is pretty good at being passive. Just ask Foligno.

by Dirk Dangler on Dec 8, 2011 9:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Was that being passive or downright pylonian?

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by dcsportsfan1 on Dec 8, 2011 9:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Good eye.

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by Rob Parker on Dec 8, 2011 9:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Me thinks that if Karlsson drops that stick maybe Wides gets called for it.

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by dcsportsfan1 on Dec 8, 2011 9:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Likely.

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by Rob Parker on Dec 8, 2011 9:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Wideman for MVP! Nice little move though, in seriousness.

by bigeugene on Dec 8, 2011 9:42 AM EST up reply actions  

That moment’s hestitation with the faked shot gives Jared Cowan just enough time to completely bail out on the play after he sort of went down to block the shot the didn’t come. But the time Ovechkin let fly, Cowan had glided out of the line of sight.

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by ThePeerless on Dec 8, 2011 9:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Mojo or just using a new move. I just hope he keeps it up. How many times have we seen him hold the puck and go behind the net?

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by Rob Parker on Dec 8, 2011 9:39 AM EST up reply actions  

I don’t know if he’s got his mojo back, but it was relieving to see. It’s a start.

How many times have we seen him hold the puck and go behind the net? … and then do nothing?

Too many

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by Christoph J on Dec 8, 2011 9:41 AM EST up reply actions  

I expect Ovi to be at 45-55 and 100 every season through 30 years old. And lets not discuss numbers it been more about the sloppiness of his game then the lack of luck for him, We all have seen the same thing over the last year. We have seen a 4.5 million dollar a year player earning almost 10, I just expect him to lead the team in goals from start to finish of the season and points. The expectations I have are the same everyone has, he sn’t even close.

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by RedRocka on Dec 8, 2011 9:07 AM EST reply actions  

You don’t anticipate (or even expect) the slightest bit of regression as he gets older? Wow, go you then. And those expectations aren’t shared by “everyone” here.

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by Bald Pollack on Dec 8, 2011 9:11 AM EST up reply actions  

45 goals a year by the age of 30 would be expected regression.I dont expect everyone to share my expectations. But what I do expect for everyone to agree on is that OV has fallen off a cliff ,productionwise. I doubt anybody here thinks OV is performing up to expectations or even close to it. The question people now are starting to ask is long slump or new norm? I hope last night might provide the spark to end the slump. But is it a slump??

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by RedRocka on Dec 8, 2011 9:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Take a look at this list of players since the lockout who have scored at least 45. How many are at least 26? How many of those seasons have been realized in the last 3 years?

If he lights it up even remotely close to what he’s done before I’ll be happy and willing to eat my words while he’s getting inducted into the HHoF, but you might want to consider whatever the new normal will be regardless of what your expectations are.

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by Bald Pollack on Dec 8, 2011 9:34 AM EST up reply actions  

You and your stupid stats!

by bigeugene on Dec 8, 2011 9:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Guess you don’t read these threads very much given what you wrote about expectations, slumps, and so on. Statistical scrutiny has even been brought to this question of realistic expectations and what the new norm should be. Because hey Ovi is already in the new norm. He’s not 19 anymore.

But last night was a 100% effort by Ovi, not 80%. He was a force out there and we got his first highlight goal for this season, and it was a doozy because he showed some new moves: That’’ll do Pig. That’ll do!

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Rec’d for the “Babe” reference.

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by Backeez Got Back on Dec 8, 2011 9:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Gretzky, the all time leader in goals scored, averaged 47 between the ages of 26 and 30 (inclusive). Gordie Howe (second all time) averaged 35. Brett Hull (third) averaged 59, but he had 86 and 70 goal seasons at the start of that period. Marcel Dionne (fourth) averaged 51 smack dab in the middle of the go-go era.

There is a reason you don’t find players who played the bulk of their prime years past the 1995 lockout on the top of the all-time goals list. It’s a different game. If Ovechkin was to average 40 over his 26-30 years, it would be like averaging 50-plus in the 1980’s. It’s not likely to happen. Schemes are too sophisticated, scouting is too dedicated to finding tendencies, and goaltenders (not to mention their equipment) are better.

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by ThePeerless on Dec 8, 2011 9:41 AM EST up reply actions  

I cant believe were arguing these numbers. What does it matter. Either he is playing up to expectations or not. Being on pace for 25 – 30 goals to me is unacceptable. You dont sign a guy to 10 million a year to get this type of production. Either its a slump or its not, but its far from exeptable from you 10 million a year superstar who should be in his prime,now.

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by RedRocka on Dec 8, 2011 9:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Have you heard of something called context?

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by Christoph J on Dec 8, 2011 9:49 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Keep moving the goalposts…

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by J.P. on Dec 8, 2011 9:49 AM EST up reply actions   3 recs

By the way, Ovechkin with 10, 25, 50 goals or whatever … I expect him to lead the Caps in finally acquiring that shiny piece of hardware, stats be damned. You know … the holy grail?

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by Christoph J on Dec 8, 2011 9:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Expectations. We all got em. But amen to that.

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by RedRocka on Dec 8, 2011 9:54 AM EST up reply actions  

I’ve never understood this whole “unacceptable” thing. If player “x’s” performance is unacceptable, then what is one prepared to do concerning said player? Walk up to him and sternly say, “unacceptable?” Fire him? Beat him with a rubber mallet? Threaten to trade him to Columbus?

Or accept it?

It’s not like you or I can do anything about it. And there is that whole contract thing. Players get paid in the NHL, perform or not.

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by ThePeerless on Dec 8, 2011 10:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Heh. I called Ward’s penalty “unacceptable”… and agree.

Though I meant it as shorthanded for “the type of play that can’t exist with any frequency on a team that wants to win a lot of hockey games, especially those in the post-season.”

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by J.P. on Dec 8, 2011 10:29 AM EST up reply actions  

I’m just being a wise ass…too little sleep, not enough caffeine

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by ThePeerless on Dec 8, 2011 10:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Simply put, the game was a lot more open...

when Gretsky played, yes? Lots more room to skate, and for skill guys to achieve. Watch some of those old Oilers clips and it looks like it’s three on three, or that they’re playing on an Olympic-size rink. I don’t think they were playing “the trap” then, were they? Over the last 10/15 years, it’s more like 10 guys in a telephone booth.

by slipperyice on Dec 8, 2011 10:31 AM EST up reply actions  

there was no trap, but obstruction was at it’s high point. Guys used to hook each other and hold on for the ride, they looked like they were water skiing. They’d bear hug each other along the boards. Plus, let’s be honest, goalies were so far out of their league in those days. Goalies didn’t stand a chance.

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by RedBirdie on Dec 8, 2011 10:47 AM EST up reply actions  

The goalie play was laughable, and often the games were a series of line rushes.

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by fat_daddyo on Dec 8, 2011 11:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Goalies back when just sort of got in front of the puck and fell backwards, hoping it’d get stopped somehow.

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by sydtron on Dec 8, 2011 11:23 AM EST up reply actions  

86 goals…that is ridiculous.

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by fat_daddyo on Dec 8, 2011 11:02 AM EST up reply actions  

92 goals … Even more ridiculous.

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by Christoph J on Dec 8, 2011 11:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Remember that even though almost every player regresses as he gets near and past 30, there’s still the possibility Ovechkin becomes really good in his own end to partly compensate. Crossing my fingers for Selanne.

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by red army line on Dec 8, 2011 1:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I expect Ovi to play like he did last night every night. Not losing pucks creating chances.Hitting and being sneaky nasty. Thats what I expect. The best damn player in the world. Power speed and nastiness. Everything that was AO.

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by RedRocka on Dec 8, 2011 9:11 AM EST reply actions  

You need to hit the reply button when you are responding to a particular post.

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by capsyoungguns on Dec 8, 2011 9:14 AM EST up reply actions  

I expect Ovi to play like he did last night every night.

You want him to play at what you characterized as 80%?

by bigeugene on Dec 8, 2011 9:48 AM EST up reply actions   3 recs

I would take that!!

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by RedRocka on Dec 8, 2011 9:49 AM EST up reply actions  

thank you.

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by RedRocka on Dec 8, 2011 9:51 AM EST up reply actions  

points for gratuitous use of metric measure

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by ThePeerless on Dec 8, 2011 9:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Yet still smelly canadiens as you can tell by the “kms”

by Brainumbc on Dec 8, 2011 10:02 AM EST up reply actions  

at least it completely lacks any french…

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by Alz in the family on Dec 8, 2011 10:16 AM EST up reply actions  

I have met Rather Bengt and can assure you, he smells perfectly normal.

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by boutros23 on Dec 8, 2011 10:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Thank you for your confirmation.

by Rather Bengt on Dec 8, 2011 10:33 AM EST up reply actions  

What she mean to say was “…for a Canucklehead.”

Which means you smell faintly of maple syrup and socialism.

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by D'ohboy on Dec 8, 2011 11:27 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

With a tinge of back bacon.

by Rather Bengt on Dec 8, 2011 11:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Like you’ve spent too long sitting around complaining about Stephen Harper to nobody in particular in a Tim Horton’s in North York, Ontario.

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by D'ohboy on Dec 8, 2011 11:39 AM EST up reply actions  

If it was in a Timmies in North York, I was probably sitting there bitching about Harper with Joel Ward.

by Rather Bengt on Dec 8, 2011 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

this is true.

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by boutros23 on Dec 8, 2011 11:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Schultz

Wow, I didn’t realize Schultz was limited the way he was. Hopefully it’s not an injury. I thought he had a pretty rough night, made a few bad turnovers on what seemed like some panicked play. At least he was keeping the puck to the outside along the boards, but it seems like he sometimes did it unnecessarily and he didn’t have the support he needed which resulted in a turnover.

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by _Skullduggery_ on Dec 8, 2011 10:05 AM EST reply actions  

Hunter essentially said he was benched.

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by J.P. on Dec 8, 2011 10:06 AM EST up reply actions  

And I’m not sure I buy that he’s injured because I’m not sure what DH32 gains by claiming Schultz was purposely benched vs. being hurt. If there is an injury he doesn’t have to disclose the nature of it.

I take Hunter at his word.

by Kolzilla on Dec 8, 2011 10:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed. The ice time pattern made me wonder if he had a stomach ailment or something and just dressed because Hamr couldn’t and no one else could. But after hearing Hunter explain it, no reason to think he’s being untruthful.

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by J.P. on Dec 8, 2011 10:40 AM EST up reply actions  

I think we’re trading Schultz for Jerome Iginla. Only explanation.

by kingbonehead on Dec 8, 2011 10:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Crosby and Malkin. And future considerations, which would be MAF and Simon Despres.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 8, 2011 10:08 AM EST up reply actions  

I WANT A BIG CREASE CLEARING DEFENSEMAN, DAMMIT!

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by RedBirdie on Dec 8, 2011 10:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Wideman? (Everyone leaves the crease — half of ‘em to celebrate, but still — when he’s there…)

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by redlineblue on Dec 8, 2011 10:22 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Is the box score right? Did Schultz only get 3:55 of ice time the entire game?

by RCheli on Dec 8, 2011 10:53 AM EST reply actions  

Yes.

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by timmyv38 on Dec 8, 2011 10:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes. See above. Dale no likey Sarge.

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by J.P. on Dec 8, 2011 10:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Sorry — I posted this before I saw the thread just above. My bad.

by RCheli on Dec 8, 2011 11:01 AM EST up reply actions  

I just don’t understand why Wideman is skating 4 minutes a night on the PK. Limit Schultz’s minutes at 5 on 5, but why play Wideman so much shorthanded?

by RCheli on Dec 8, 2011 11:04 AM EST up reply actions  

And a Wideman and Orlov pairing on the PK, inside of 3 minutes, trying to protect a 1 goal lead?

I don’t get it.

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by fat_daddyo on Dec 8, 2011 11:08 AM EST up reply actions  

And the Sens almost scored, too.

by RCheli on Dec 8, 2011 11:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Man, they got lucky that Alfie didn’t bury that chance off of the scramble.

Related: Vokes still looking preeeeeetty shaky out there.

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by fat_daddyo on Dec 8, 2011 11:12 AM EST up reply actions  

If I recall, 6 and 81 weren’t on ice for that scramble.

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by Davethecapsfan on Dec 8, 2011 12:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh, you’re right, because Alzner was laying in the net.

My bad.

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by fat_daddyo on Dec 8, 2011 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

All credit to the mighty Alzner. The guy does everything.

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by Davethecapsfan on Dec 8, 2011 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Hosanna in the highest to the almighty Hot Karl.

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by D'ohboy on Dec 8, 2011 12:13 PM EST up reply actions  

The other minutes went uncounted. As real Caps fans can tell you, Sarge is best when he is invisible.

by Rather Bengt on Dec 8, 2011 10:59 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Since Hunter took over and brought in Jim Johnson, I have heard/read at various times that they want to employ more of a man-on-man style defense as opposed to the zone style defense that was employed under Boudreau. Granted, I certainly am no expert in such things, but it would seem to me that this would be a problem for a guy like Sarge as I viewed him as a sound defender positionally (i.e., covering his designated area) whereas he struggled in situations like defending the rush (i.e., requiring mobility to stay on his man). Still, this doesn’t explain his lack of utilization on the PK.

by cainoo7x on Dec 8, 2011 12:36 PM EST up reply actions  

True there is more of man and man emphasis but there is also an emphasis on not having the opposing forwards enter the D zone with speed which should help by not having #55 out in space trying to stop an opposing forward on the rush.

by kovachs on Dec 8, 2011 12:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Right. Essentially, the new defensive philosophy puts more of a premium on having agile defensemen and agility is not one of 55’s better qualities (or 4’s for that matter).

by cainoo7x on Dec 8, 2011 12:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t think you can ride 4.5 D for very long though.

27 won’t hold up over the balance of the season if he’s going to get 27 minutes a night.

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by fat_daddyo on Dec 8, 2011 12:57 PM EST up reply actions  

27 is greater than mortal defenders. He is King Karl.

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by Davethecapsfan on Dec 8, 2011 12:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree completely there as well. Green needs to get back soon and stay healthy once he returns.

by cainoo7x on Dec 8, 2011 12:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I think man-on-man might actually be better for big, slow defensemen than Boudreau’s zone was.

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by Gould Old Days on Dec 8, 2011 9:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Why’s that?

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by Rob Parker on Dec 9, 2011 8:47 AM EST up reply actions  

I’m hoping this is because DH wants a faster defenseman rather that just being mad at Schultz for not hitting hard enough. Although I really love the combination that Orlov is bringing to the table. Speed + Crunch.

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by _Skullduggery_ on Dec 8, 2011 1:49 PM EST up reply actions  

ehh, I guess I should have read the earlier comments first. /shame

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by _Skullduggery_ on Dec 8, 2011 1:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Scoring Chance Numbers

I’ve brought this up before to no avail when Neil first floated the #s, but it’s bugging the crap out of me. Per Neil’s article, Alzner is +18 scoring chances at 5v5 while Joel Ward is -17. 2nd place and last place on the team, respectively.

However, Ward is the forward that Alzner has played with most often at 5v5 (38.5%), and Alzner is the defender that Ward has played with most often at 5v5 (53.5%). (Assuming I’m reading these stats correctly)
http://www.behindthenet.ca/nhl_time_on_ice_stats.php?ds=8&f1=2011_s&f2=5v5&f3=KARLALZNER+JOELWARD&f5=WSH&f7=20-&c=0+1+3+5+8+9+10+11+12+13+14+15+16+17+18+19+20+21+22+23+24+25+26+27+28

Further, they have very comparable CORSI ON, OZone%, QoC and QUALCOMP.
http://www.behindthenet.ca/nhl_statistics.php?ds=63&s=30&f1=2011_s&f2=5v5&f3=KARLALZNER+JOELWARD&f5=WSH&c=0+3+10+11+12+13+15+17+20+23+24+25+29+30+34+63

How can Ward be out there with Alzner 53.5% of the time, but somehow lag behind him by fully 35 scoring chances? Similar sentiment applies to Chimera as well. Chimera is +3 in scoring chances while he has been Ward’s partner 70% of the time at 5v5. And of course this is all on top of the fact that Ward is a +5 on the season with a basically flat PDO. He has been on the ice for only 14 goals against at 5v5 but is somehow -17 in scoring chances. It just doesn’t pass the smell test to me.

Any thoughts?

by psuscott1 on Dec 8, 2011 11:01 AM EST reply actions  

Chimera is +3 in scoring chances while he has been Ward’s partner 70% of the time at 5v5.

I think thisBtN line combo thing is in beta still, cause I have Ward and Chimera sharing a line ~67%. Not a huge difference, but still a difference.

On to the 5v5 scoring chance data, updated to incl last night’s game.

Individually, Alzner has been on the ice for 119 for – 102 against, plus-17
Chimera 83-84, minus-1
Ward 76-96, minus-20

As a trio 5v5, Chimera-Ward-Alzner have been on the ice for 24 for, 33 against (minus-9).

Ward + Chimera, 51-62, minus-11
Ward+Chimera and NOT Alzner is 27-29, minus-2
Chimera without Ward 28-19, plus-9
Ward without Chimera 26-29, minus-3

Some Corsi Rel QoC numbers:

Ward-Chimera-Alzner 3.44
Ward+Chimera and NOT Alzner 0.51
Chimera without Ward (with and without Alzner) -1.20
Ward without Chimera (with and without Alzner) .922

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by NGreenberg on Dec 8, 2011 11:24 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

So Alzner, when on with other-than-Ward/Chimera, is 95 for, 69 against? Pretty unreal dominance, no?

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by J.P. on Dec 8, 2011 11:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Alzner, without either Ward or Chimera, is 73-45.

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by NGreenberg on Dec 8, 2011 11:34 AM EST up reply actions  

And signed for this year and next year at 1.2, followed by an RFA year.

GMGM is a fucking genius.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 8, 2011 11:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Christ…his cap hit now is LESS THAN HIS ENTRY LEVEL DEAL.

LOL.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 8, 2011 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Maybe not, he would have had to hit all his bonuses to get up there, and I doubt he did that.

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by Rob Parker on Dec 8, 2011 11:38 AM EST up reply actions  

I thought bonuses were counted in full against the Cap, even if they weren’t met?

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by D'ohboy on Dec 8, 2011 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Counted until they either cannot be or are not met, IIRC?

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by fat_daddyo on Dec 8, 2011 11:41 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Where’s Sk8?

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by D'ohboy on Dec 8, 2011 11:41 AM EST up reply actions  

That’s what I’ve heard on here before.

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by timmyv38 on Dec 8, 2011 11:42 AM EST up reply actions  

yes, counted until they cannot be met. GMGM explained it as:

if a player as a games played bonus, that bonus is counted until it’s no longer possible to meet the number of games

if a player has a goals/assists/points/whatever bonus, it’s going to be counted every single day, because it’s theoretically possible that someone could score 50 goals in the very last game and meet the number of goals needed for the bonus to kick in.

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by RedBirdie on Dec 8, 2011 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

This year because there’s no CBA next year, but during the years when you have a CBA for next year they aren’t necessarily. You can count them that season if you want to, or you can defer them (like CHI did).

But either way, Alzner didn’t make all that money.

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by Rob Parker on Dec 8, 2011 11:41 AM EST up reply actions  

No idea. Just going with what Capgeek says.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 8, 2011 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

And his latest contract has no performance bonuses.

Did he fire his agent and replace him with a rhesus monkey?

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 8, 2011 11:41 AM EST up reply actions  

He can’t have performance bonuses. Only ELCs and certain veteran contracts (older players coming off injury) are bonus-eligible.

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by Rob Parker on Dec 8, 2011 11:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Ah. Thanks for the clarification.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 8, 2011 11:42 AM EST up reply actions  

____

I did. And I’ve been laughing all the way to the bank.

He’s quite the negotiator.

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by D'ohboy on Dec 8, 2011 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

I know when Johansson has his arb hearing, I’ll be praying for Mojo.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 8, 2011 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Be thankful #fancystats aren’t allowed in arbitration?

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by NGreenberg on Dec 8, 2011 11:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Be thankful Alzner had no arbitration rights. Advanced stats are most definitely used in arbitration hearings.

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by Rob Parker on Dec 8, 2011 11:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Advanced stats are most definitely used in arbitration hearings.

Oh? Do you know of a specific example?

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by NGreenberg on Dec 8, 2011 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Not that I can share.

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by Rob Parker on Dec 8, 2011 11:42 AM EST up reply actions  

SECRET SAUCE!

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by D'ohboy on Dec 8, 2011 11:44 AM EST up reply actions   3 recs

You’re the boss, secret sauce…

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by ThePeerless on Dec 8, 2011 12:01 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Can you tell us if it was just one example or multiple?

Did the full range of fancystats get put into play, do you know?

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by fat_daddyo on Dec 8, 2011 11:52 AM EST up reply actions  

It was a general comment, not about a specific player. It didn’t specify which stats, just said that everything the team looks at to evaluate players is in play for arbitration. So whichever teams are more prone to using advanced stats are going to be more prone to using them in arbitration.

Also, just logically, you know that agents are savvy and will use whatever evidence makes their client look good. Sometimes that will include advanced stats. You can look at the list of what is and isn’t prohibited in the arbitration hearings, per the CBA, see that advanced stats are not prohibited, and conclude that someone will use them.

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by Rob Parker on Dec 8, 2011 11:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Gotcha, thanks.

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by fat_daddyo on Dec 8, 2011 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Are the arb briefs public? I didn’t think so, but then I seem to remember the Kovalchuk grievance one being out there. Or maybe that was the decision itself…

by Ginga on Dec 8, 2011 11:43 AM EST up reply actions  

I haven’t seen any arbitration briefs or opinions. All I’ve seen are the final numbers.

Teams guard their briefs pretty closely. Whatever proprietary metrics they have are going to be included and they don’t want them getting out.

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by Rob Parker on Dec 8, 2011 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

I guard my briefs pretty closely, too. I’m always embarrassed when I’m down to the tighty-whities.

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by D'ohboy on Dec 8, 2011 11:49 AM EST up reply actions  

I won’t speculate as to the cause of the embarrassment…

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by Rob Parker on Dec 8, 2011 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

You have no reason to be embarrassed when down to tighty-whities. Not when you’re wearing your cycling kit equivalent on the road.

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by Christoph J on Dec 8, 2011 12:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I can’t see clubs wanting the player briefs out there.

The Kovalchuk decision was released, but it was obviously a unique situation.

by Ginga on Dec 8, 2011 11:49 AM EST up reply actions  

That was an NHL cap circumvention arbitration, not a player salary arbitration.

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by Rob Parker on Dec 8, 2011 11:52 AM EST up reply actions  

The individual chances are broken down by EV, PP and SH. EV includes 5v5, 4v4 and 3v3. Line combo data is just 5v5. That’s why the math doesn’t add up.

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by NGreenberg on Dec 8, 2011 11:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Ahhhhh, thank you for posting that. I was trying to figure out if I was missing something.

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by fat_daddyo on Dec 8, 2011 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Chimera without Ward (with and without Alzner) -1.20
Chimera without Ward 28-19, plus-9

I guess it seems like the answer is Ward just doesn’t get any of the more favorable opportunities that Chimera and Alzner are getting that have boosted their numbers. There is a reason why Ward is leading in both QUALCOMP and QoC, but I didn’t think the impact could be that big.

Thanks Neil

by psuscott1 on Dec 8, 2011 11:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Re: BtN vs your numbers, do you both count the same things and the same way? (like Dobber uses events as an approximation for TOI) Do you count 6v5, too?

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by red army line on Dec 8, 2011 1:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Further, they have very comparable CORSI ON, OZone%, QoC and QUALCOMP.

I would also caution against thinking Corsi and Scoring chance move in lockstep. Corsi takes blocked shots into account, scoring chances do not, for example.

Also, Corsi is all shots directed at net, scoring chances are a very specific part of the ice.

I use an example at the end of this RMNB article from last year, perhaps that helps clarify things a little.

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by NGreenberg on Dec 8, 2011 11:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Schultz is eminently tradeable, and if he’s not going to be played, McPhee should try to find a new home for him now before he starts getting scratched and his value drops even lower. His salary is high, but not unreasonable. He’s still young. He may just need a place where his role — second pair defensive defenseman — can be better utilized.

by RCheli on Dec 8, 2011 11:12 AM EST reply actions  

More fuel for the mandatory visor argument:

drosennhlDan Rosen
Marty St. Louis just took a puck to the eye area and left the ice bleeding. Bolts still skating at MSG.

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by gfcaps fan on Dec 8, 2011 11:20 AM EST reply actions  

Update: St. Louis went to the hospital and is likely out tonight. No word on extent of injury, though.

"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."

by gfcaps fan on Dec 8, 2011 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

And he was supposed to play in his 500th consecutive game tonight, which sucks – obviously in the grander scheme of things a milestone like that shouldn’t matter but 500 straight games is impressive, especially for a little guy in a League of big guys. Sad that he’ll have his streak snapped.

The definition of being a Caps fan is watching the same team over and over and expecting different results.

by Becca H on Dec 8, 2011 1:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Indeed. Other than when they play the Caps, I like the guy.

Preventable injury, though.

"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."

by gfcaps fan on Dec 8, 2011 1:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly.

Notice something missing?

The definition of being a Caps fan is watching the same team over and over and expecting different results.

by Becca H on Dec 8, 2011 1:21 PM EST up reply actions  

uhhh… number on the helmet!

by hockeyman33 on Dec 8, 2011 1:27 PM EST up reply actions  

6 inches in height?

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by timmyv38 on Dec 8, 2011 1:29 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Yes! Good catch, that is actually a life-size picture. It’s his Fathead.

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by Becca H on Dec 8, 2011 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

…..you guys are all just SO FUNNY. :P

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by Becca H on Dec 8, 2011 1:36 PM EST up reply actions  

All of TBL’s hopes and dreams on his back?

J.P.: You might be the king of all geeks here…

by Alz Well That Ends Well on Dec 8, 2011 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

And this was @ practice? Extra sucky.

by kingbonehead on Dec 8, 2011 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

TBL has quietly, or at least under my personal radar coverage anyway, lost 5 in a row.

I wonder what the rift is between VLC and Boucher?

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by fat_daddyo on Dec 8, 2011 1:38 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

It is clear that Stamkos is a coach killer and VLC is also a vampire.

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by SethB on Dec 8, 2011 2:24 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Ah, PD commenters, so consistent.

Ovechkin is a certified P.O.S. Talented, but cheap as hell. Sorry Ovie, crybaby cheaters like you never lift the cup. Good luck on your long, individually impressive but no championship career.

Somewhere, Claude Lemieux is startled.

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by fat_daddyo on Dec 8, 2011 11:24 AM EST reply actions  

You are a brave man, wading into that cesspool.

by bigeugene on Dec 8, 2011 11:25 AM EST up reply actions  

PD commenters meet for a reunion

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by ThePeerless on Dec 8, 2011 12:03 PM EST up reply actions   4 recs

What a great movie…

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by MikeL-Pivonka on Dec 8, 2011 1:35 PM EST up reply actions  

An an even better book. My favorite, actually.

by discuit on Dec 8, 2011 3:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Allow me to translate:

“You suck Ovi because you are not on my team and, as such, I don’t believe you will win the Cup because I believe my team will win it every year. You are a crybaby and a cheater because you are not on my favorite team. If you were on my team, I would consider you a competitor and any indescretions like this would be considered accidental and “part of the game” and I would tell fans of other teams to get over it."

Good thing I speak 15-year old pimple-faced kid in my mom’s basement-ese

Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...

by dcsportsfan1 on Dec 8, 2011 11:30 AM EST up reply actions   4 recs

PD?

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by caps&skins on Dec 8, 2011 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Puck Daddy.

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by timmyv38 on Dec 8, 2011 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

puck daddy

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by RedBirdie on Dec 8, 2011 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Puck daddy

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 8, 2011 11:49 AM EST up reply actions  

John Steigerwald just tweeted that it stands for Povechkinuses Drugs.

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by fat_daddyo on Dec 8, 2011 11:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Papá del duende malicioso

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 8, 2011 11:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Pretty Dumb

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by ThePeerless on Dec 8, 2011 12:03 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Another good point.

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by fat_daddyo on Dec 8, 2011 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

The cup finals were Western dirty cheaters vs Eastern dirty cheaters.

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by SethB on Dec 8, 2011 12:49 PM EST up reply actions  

…can I rec this comment more than once? Warms my cold black heart.

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by Becca H on Dec 8, 2011 1:03 PM EST up reply actions  

If you’re not cheating, you’re not trying…

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by MikeL-Pivonka on Dec 8, 2011 1:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey, I won two Cups!

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by MikeL-Pivonka on Dec 8, 2011 1:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Possible cause of Crosby’s 2-game absence, via PD.

http://thehockeywriters.com/video-krejci-elbows-crosby/

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by fat_daddyo on Dec 8, 2011 11:28 AM EST reply actions  

After a neutral zone faceoff, Crosby slashed Krejci in the leg causing the Bruins center to chop back. The two scuffled and barked at each other after the shift was over before returning to their respective benches to continue the banter.

Tee hee. But Sid said that elbows to the head aren’t what he was talking about as a play that needs to be out of the game? When he was elbowing Foligno in the head it was just a hockey play. But now an incidental elbow is a cause for a slash and a lot of “banter” on the bench.

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by Rob Parker on Dec 8, 2011 11:35 AM EST up reply actions   4 recs

Bingo. I was so sick after seeing that on Foligno.

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by highslot84 on Dec 8, 2011 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Hahaha, nice. Hadn’t thought about that, but it’s a great point.

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by fat_daddyo on Dec 8, 2011 11:38 AM EST up reply actions  

next time that hypocritical ass gets his brain scrambled, I’m not going to feel the least bit sorry.

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by RedBirdie on Dec 8, 2011 11:45 AM EST up reply actions  

I really can’t say I was sorry the first time, other than the “that’s too bad since he’s good for hockey in general.”

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by twistedlogic on Dec 8, 2011 11:52 AM EST up reply actions  

I felt a little bad. But what little sympathy I had got less and less each time he opened his mouth.

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by RedBirdie on Dec 8, 2011 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I felt bad until the repeated blasts at Steckel (I guess he never called out Steckel by name…but the “hits like that have no place in hockey” stuff).

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by twistedlogic on Dec 8, 2011 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Eleven months ago, Crosby was in a similar situation after absorbing an elbow to the head from Washington’s David Steckel in the Winter Classic.

it was an incidental shoulder not an elbow but why let minor details like the facts get in the way of the story.

by Beakers Lab on Dec 8, 2011 11:37 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

David Steckel has elbows where your mere average human has shoulders.

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by RedBirdie on Dec 8, 2011 11:46 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

His arms are so long they require two elbows.

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by boutros23 on Dec 8, 2011 11:47 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Ten years from now, the story will be that Steckel felled him with a Beretta machine pistol

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by ThePeerless on Dec 8, 2011 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

In western PA opinion is synonymous with fact.

by Caps Homer on Dec 8, 2011 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

It wouldn’t be when Crosby collided with his own player against the B’s?

I was watching that game with the Caps game in a Boston area bar, and I told everyone, ’can’t blame THAT one on David Steckel!’

by j762 on Dec 8, 2011 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow, Crosby has a knack for running into people.

Tu ne cede malis

by _Skullduggery_ on Dec 8, 2011 1:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Simultaneously throwing an elbow AND a shoulder at that faded guy with his back turned (boarding?)

by Twenty Seven Ninety on Dec 8, 2011 2:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Sutton

If you’re Andy Sutton and you’re six feet, six inches tall, why in the fuck would you need to leave your feet to hit someone?

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by D'ohboy on Dec 8, 2011 11:51 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

Because you’re a dirty player who feels a need to throw dirty hits? He deserves a suspension for that.

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by timmyv38 on Dec 8, 2011 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Video link?

Please, call me F&B.

by Rob Parker on Dec 8, 2011 11:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Oof. I hadn’t seen that angle before, which looks much worse than the one I saw during the game last night.

Shanahan will make an example out of this one, I’m guessing.

As for why he does it, he was trying to really blow a guy up, EDM was getting crushed and he was pissed off, and he lost his cool?

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by fat_daddyo on Dec 8, 2011 11:59 AM EST up reply actions  

What was the penalty in game?

by snowburnt on Dec 8, 2011 12:06 PM EST up reply actions  

2 minutes for charging, I think.

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by timmyv38 on Dec 8, 2011 12:07 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s gotta be at least 10 games under the new regime.

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by D'ohboy on Dec 8, 2011 11:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Considering his recent 5 game suspension… I’d have to agree.

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by timmyv38 on Dec 8, 2011 11:57 AM EST up reply actions  

I wonder if they take into consideration the timing of the penalty, too. His team was down 5-2 late in the game, was being really outplayed.

by RCheli on Dec 8, 2011 11:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Especially since he got tagged in preseason.

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by Wheeler on Dec 8, 2011 11:57 AM EST up reply actions  

He got suspended for 5 games just over a month ago – Nov. 1. Was there also a preseason incident? Because if so… Shanahan will have a field day with this.

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by timmyv38 on Dec 8, 2011 12:02 PM EST up reply actions  

My mistake – I thought his 5 games were incurred in the preseason for some reason.

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by Wheeler on Dec 8, 2011 12:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I was actually wondering if I missed one, because I remember a few preseason suspensions. Regardless… that suspension should mean Sutton gets a significant suspension for last night’s hit.

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by timmyv38 on Dec 8, 2011 12:17 PM EST up reply actions  

8-10 sounds about right to me, given that Fistric got 3 the other day and Sutton got five earlier this year.

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by leacha on Dec 8, 2011 1:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh, he’s getting a suspension… the question is duration since he already has been on the receiving end of the Shanahammer earlier this season…

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by MikeL-Pivonka on Dec 8, 2011 1:40 PM EST up reply actions  

What are you, an expert?

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by boutros23 on Dec 8, 2011 11:53 AM EST up reply actions   3 recs

haha well played. That guy was rumored to be coming here a trade deadline or two ago. Thank god we didn’t get the dolt.

by DonnieKnutts on Dec 8, 2011 1:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Sasha Minor, to be fair has done this:

Against Carolina and Florida

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by Christoph J on Dec 8, 2011 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Isn’t Theodore still out with the flu?

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 8, 2011 12:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t think so. Florida sent Markstrom back down yesterday.

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by timmyv38 on Dec 8, 2011 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Yup, just heard Theo’s in tonight.

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by Becca H on Dec 8, 2011 1:04 PM EST up reply actions  

600th career game for him, btw, for those who care – way to go, Theo :)

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by Becca H on Dec 8, 2011 1:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I think I’ll wear my Theo shersey in honor of his achievement!

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by RedBirdie on Dec 8, 2011 1:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Indeed, congrats Theo….

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by MikeL-Pivonka on Dec 8, 2011 1:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I love the Blues, but they don’t have the offense Boston does. St Louis has a much better D, but the opposing goalie doesn’t care about that. I’d go with Hiller, all else being equal.

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by Bman21212 on Dec 8, 2011 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Hiller, obviously.

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by D'ohboy on Dec 8, 2011 2:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Gerbe Boarded

Suspension or no suspension?

I’m going with 2 games, but I’m biased because it’s the Flyers.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puck_daddy/post/Video-Gerbe-boarded-Read-elbowed-to-head-susp?urn=nhl-wp19303

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by fat_daddyo on Dec 8, 2011 12:25 PM EST reply actions  

Of note, the other hit shown in that post, the Leino elbow, has led to a hearing for Leino today, according to NHL.com.

Nothing yet on Bourdon.

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by fat_daddyo on Dec 8, 2011 12:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Bourdon deserves a suspension, and I wonder if Leino might get one as well. Shanahan has had a busy week, and it looks like that will continue.

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by timmyv38 on Dec 8, 2011 12:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Amazing how there are already two articles today about how Ovechkin’s single goal puts him back on track. It really highlights the focus on him.

New York Times

ESPN

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by STLSpidey on Dec 8, 2011 12:44 PM EST reply actions  

Saw the ESPN one, they did note the release of emotion from him after the goal, which I agree is telling that it’s been weighing on him.

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by Davethecapsfan on Dec 8, 2011 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I think it was especially good he managed to get one last night; you could tell with each ridiculous Anderson stop how frustrated he was getting. I’m glad he didn’t have to sit and stew about it until Friday night.

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by SmallZ827 on Dec 8, 2011 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Slept in, woke up and remembered the Caps won, Ovechkin scored, Backstrom got a PPG, and Brouwer did a Gordie Howe.

I could swear it was Friday.

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by Dimagus on Dec 8, 2011 12:53 PM EST reply actions  

If you had asked me before the game, I’d have probably gone with the Brouwer Gordie Howe as being the most likely to occur.

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Don't wanna post this image...

…and spoil this lovely blog but:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-9zaD5NLcmKw/Thuzf_w7Y2I/AAAAAAAABco/6DUCsVYbPmE/s1600/rebecca_black_hipster%2Bthursday.jpg

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by MikeL-Pivonka on Dec 8, 2011 1:44 PM EST up reply actions  

GreenLife52 Mike Green
Just riding the bike in my gym at apartment building. thinking the neighbors might of heard me scream atta boys #gocapsgo
GreenLife52 Mike Green
Goddamnit, I joke broke six fingers.

Capitals goal scored by #22, Mike...

by KNUUUUUUUUUUBLE on Dec 8, 2011 1:05 PM EST reply actions  

This is crucial now… which six?

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by Dimagus on Dec 8, 2011 1:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow, I wrote “joke”? God, I suck.

Capitals goal scored by #22, Mike...

by KNUUUUUUUUUUBLE on Dec 8, 2011 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Although Semin stunk up the joint last night (he did have a few flashes in the first period), let’s assume 28 on the first line is worth further experimentation, who goes to Semin’s spot on the 2nd line. I think MarJo and Brouwer deserve further stability and experimentation, so we need another winger on line 2. Even though Halpy scored there last night, that goal was really all Widemen in my opinion. Other than that, I don’t know if he distinguished himself as a permanent 2nd line player. I would love to have Knuble back in the top 6, but do we really need 2 big bangers on one line? I, personally, would prefer another shifty, reliable scorer. 85 and 50, while they fit the bill theoretically, probably can’t carry the load of a 2nd liner at this point in their careers. Any other possibilities? I am totally open to a trade but that might not be possible.

by Wilderthing on Dec 8, 2011 1:31 PM EST reply actions  

Not willing to call that goal “all Wideman”. How many juicy rebounds go unfinished cause guys don’t go to the net or have the hands to find the puck and bury it so far this year? That being said, I agree Haplern shouldn’t be on the 2nd line long term obviously.

I think Care Bears is more of a short term thing, and in the short term I think a line of 20-90-22 can work.

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by Davethecapsfan on Dec 8, 2011 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

As a Knuble fan, I am fine too with 20-90-22 – if it can produce. As to your comment, however, about “guys don’t go to the net and have the hands to find the puck…”, that is exactly what GMGM tried to get last year with the Brouwer, Ward, Chimmer, and Laich signings. How many of them do we need, however? Standing in front of the net and pounding rebounds is a pretty simple message that has been sounded for months now, but either: a) they (some of them, anyway) can’t do it or b) we need additional scoring generators in one of these slots.

by Wilderthing on Dec 8, 2011 2:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I wasn’t commenting on it in a general sense, more just a specific note that for whatever reason this year, bounces haven’t been landing on our sticks or guys haven’t been finishing them. Halpie did, so I give him a little credit on the goal beyond Wideman just firing a shot into Anderson’s pads.

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by Davethecapsfan on Dec 8, 2011 2:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Understood. Your point is a good one and I should have appreciated Halpy’s efforts more. Back to the general sense issue, though, I just don’t understand why the concept of punching in rebounds is so difficult. Almost (literally) every article, every coach interview, and every player interview says the same thing: “put those rebounds away.” Yet, why doesn’t it ever get done? Are these professionals tone deaf? Is it really that hard to do?

by Wilderthing on Dec 8, 2011 2:31 PM EST up reply actions  

It can be that hard, yes. Especially if a dman is doing everything possible to keep you from getting your stick on the puck while the goalie is trying to cover said puck.

Failure is always an option.

by timmyv38 on Dec 8, 2011 2:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, the 2nd Ottawa goal was all Wideman.

Capitals goal scored by #22, Mike...

by KNUUUUUUUUUUBLE on Dec 8, 2011 2:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Ha Ha Ha. True. Some times he can look so good and the others, so bad.

by Wilderthing on Dec 8, 2011 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Halpern did a good job going to the net, but Wideman basically put hit on his stick. He looked over, saw Halpern going to the slot and then fired a low, hard shot at Anderson’s right pad. Wideman knew exactly what he was doing and executed it perfectly.

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by Killer_Carlson on Dec 8, 2011 3:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed, it was far better than say…Sasha coming down, missing high and wide and clearing the zone for Ottawa all by himself. Just giving credit to Halpie for being where he should be, and getting a handle on the rebound while putting it home with no doubt on the shot.

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by Davethecapsfan on Dec 8, 2011 4:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Just looked at Greenie’s twitterfeed again.
Did he really use the hashtag " #blockshotsyourface "?

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by bagace on Dec 8, 2011 1:52 PM EST reply actions  

MG Airlines Flight 52 just hit cruising altitude of 55,000 feet.

by j762 on Dec 8, 2011 1:56 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

beats #missinghelmetrivets

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by ThePeerless on Dec 8, 2011 1:57 PM EST up reply actions  

This reminds me of Seinfeld when George stopped having sex and turned into a supergenius, and when Elaine stopped having sex, she turned into a dunce.

Green needs to start playing hockey again.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 8, 2011 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Why does Nick have this “Alex, how could you…I thought we had something special” look on his face?

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by ThePeerless on Dec 8, 2011 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

That first one needs to be tweaked to reflect the actual punctuation (and capitalization)

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by J.P. on Dec 8, 2011 2:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought about doing that, but thought it might confuse some people.

Capitals goal scored by #22, Mike...

by KNUUUUUUUUUUBLE on Dec 8, 2011 2:22 PM EST up reply actions  

How's this

Capitals goal scored by #22, Mike...

by KNUUUUUUUUUUBLE on Dec 8, 2011 2:26 PM EST up reply actions   3 recs

I never realized just how very large Ovechkin’s shoulders are. Is he just wearing bigger pads than the other guys, or are they that massive?

by Murshawursha on Dec 8, 2011 2:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I think he wears some pretty big pads, but having quite literally run into the guy, he’s massive. I’ve never seen someone so broad.

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by RedBirdie on Dec 8, 2011 3:16 PM EST up reply actions  

It looks like he’s got freaking basketballs under there. If that’s sheer muscle, wow. But I can totally see the argument for reducing pad size if that’s part of it.

by Murshawursha on Dec 8, 2011 3:39 PM EST up reply actions  

It looks like he’s got freaking basketballs under there.

TWSS.

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by D'ohboy on Dec 8, 2011 4:00 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

There was a great photo spread last spring that showed Ovi right after practice in his pads. They didn’t seem super huge to me, but I also haven’t seen a ton of pro pads.

http://mattrothphoto.com/blog/2011/04/baltimore-dc-photographer/alex-ovechkin-for-the-sporting-news/

(apologies to whichever Caps-centric blog linked that one originally, I can’t remember for my stick tap)

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by leacha on Dec 8, 2011 5:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Of course it was Japers’ would linked that up first.

However, those are his CCM/RBK pads. He’s a Bauer boy now.

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by EmilyB on Dec 8, 2011 6:04 PM EST up reply actions  

All I see in that first pic is a worried look of jealousy on #19’s face.

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by bagace on Dec 8, 2011 2:25 PM EST up reply actions  

And his grip on his stick, like he’s contemplating a jealous-rage-born slashing spree.

by Aliceanna on Dec 8, 2011 2:34 PM EST up reply actions  

“Must keep Mean Lars in check…..”

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by bagace on Dec 8, 2011 2:54 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Just checking in and can’t get the reply function to work, so adding to the arbitration discussion:

See CBA 12.9 section g and h for what can and cannot be used as evidence during an arbitration hearing.

Also, IIRC, it was Mirtle who got a hold of some portions of Morrisonn’s arbitration hearing briefs and published some quotes awhile ago.

by sk84fun_dc on Dec 8, 2011 2:12 PM EST reply actions  

Yea, and IIRC, those provide for only stats “kept or maintained” by the League, which rules out stats from Behind the Net or even scoring chances.

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by NGreenberg on Dec 8, 2011 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Here is what it says:

(ii) The parties may offer evidence of the following:
(A) the overall performance, including official statistics prepared by the League (both offensive and defensive), of
the Player in the previous season or seasons;
(B) the number of games played by the Player, his injuries or illnesses during the preceding seasons;
© the length of service of the Player in the League and/or with the Club;
(D) the overall contribution of the Player to the competitive success or failure of his Club in the preceding season;
(E) any special qualities of leadership or public appeal not inconsistent with the fulfillment of his responsibilities as a
playing member of his team;
(F) the overall performance in the previous season or seasons of any Player(s) who is alleged to be comparable to the
party Player whose salary is in dispute; and
(G) The compensation of any Player(s) who is alleged to be comparable to the party Player, provided, however, that in
applying this or any of the above subparagraphs, the Salary Arbitrator shall not consider a Player(s) to be comparable
to the party Player unless a party to the arbitration has contended that the Player(s) is comparable; nor shall the
Salary Arbitrator consider the compensation or performance of a Player(s) unless a party to the arbitration
has contended that the Player(s) is comparable

D maybe could include stats like scoring chances/Corsi, but I’m not sure.

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by timmyv38 on Dec 8, 2011 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I agree that D is the most natural fit. And there’s nothing that would contradict that in the prohibit section.

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by Rob Parker on Dec 8, 2011 2:25 PM EST up reply actions  

A, perhaps, as well. It does say “including”, not “limited to”

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by AMusingFool on Dec 8, 2011 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

And I should read more carefully (and below)

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by AMusingFool on Dec 8, 2011 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

That is incorrect. Those stats are not ruled out. It specifically says that the performance of the player “including official stats” is allowed. It says nothing about advanced or unofficial stats. It says that evidence relating to the player’s contribution to the success of the team is admissible, which would pretty clearly count advanced stats. It also says that the arbitrator has sole discretion to rule on the relevance of the data. The stuff that is prohibited relates to what contracts can be compared, and other salary baseline figures.

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by Rob Parker on Dec 8, 2011 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Here’s the prohibited list:

(iii) The following categories of evidence are inadmissible and shall
not be considered by the Salary Arbitrator:
(A) Any SPC the term of which began when the Player party to such SPC was not a Group 2 Player;59
(B) Any SPC entered into by an Unrestricted Free Agent, including SPCs signed by Players after the Player’s Club
has exercised a walk-away right pursuant to Section 12.10;
© The SPC of any Player who is not being offered as a comparable Player to the party Player;
(D) Qualifying Offers made by the Club pursuant to Section 10.2(b);
(E) Any prior offers or history of negotiations between the Player and the Club;
(F) Testimonials, videotapes, newspaper columns, press game reports or similar materials;
(G) Any reference to actual or potential walk-away rights;
(H) Any award issued by a Salary Arbitrator as to which a Club exercised its walk-away rights pursuant to Section 12.10;
(I) The financial condition of the Club or the League;
(J) References to a Club’s Upper or Lower Limit, or to the Players’ Share;
(K) Any salary arbitration award issued in 2005-2006; or
(L) Any reference to any salary or other compensation information in any salary arbitration opinion that took place
prior to the execution of this Agreement. If any salary arbitration opinion issued prior to the execution of this
Agreement is cited as precedent, all references to any Player’s Player Paragraph 1 Salary or other compensation
information will be redacted.

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by timmyv38 on Dec 8, 2011 2:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Doesn’t it say stats "kept or maintained by the League?" I don’t know for sure, but I recall it does.

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by NGreenberg on Dec 8, 2011 2:27 PM EST up reply actions  

http://www.japersrink.com/2011/12/8/2620218/thursday-caps-clips#85035911


(ii) The parties may offer evidence of the following:
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by fat_daddyo on Dec 8, 2011 2:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Gah. Format fail.

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by fat_daddyo on Dec 8, 2011 2:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Hunter on Schultz today

Listening to Hunter’s press scrum today sure does seem that Schultz did something in the first period to piss off the coaching staff.

Said decision to not play him later on in the game is based on what they see during the game.

by kovachs on Dec 8, 2011 2:14 PM EST reply actions  

Post commenters are throwing confetti right now.

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by KNUUUUUUUUUUBLE on Dec 8, 2011 2:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m trying to remember the first period. I remember one time they got hemmed in and Schultz had two failed clears, kinda weak attempts to rim it around to the other side. I think, anyway.

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by fat_daddyo on Dec 8, 2011 2:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Ottawa had a rush where someone skated around Schultz, sent a pass through the slot and someone had Vokoun down but sent one through the crease, Tikkanen style.

by Kolzilla on Dec 8, 2011 2:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh, yeah, I remember that play. Was it Michalek?

I hadn’t noticed that it was Schultz there.

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by fat_daddyo on Dec 8, 2011 2:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I think so, and I may be mixing up two different plays but I remember Schultz not containing his man on a rush down the RW and a chance resulting, and think that was the play.

by Kolzilla on Dec 8, 2011 2:33 PM EST up reply actions  

It was Michalek, but it was Wides and Erskine that were on the ice for that one.

On the PK, Halpern a bit late getting on the ice couldn’t tie up Michalek and he walked right around Wideman.

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by fat_daddyo on Dec 8, 2011 2:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Erskine got torched for the first Sens goal, too. He got beaten on the rush, and even though they didn’t score right away, Ottawa kept possession and scored a few seconds later.

by RCheli on Dec 8, 2011 3:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Erskine was a horror show on that goal. Had the puck with zero pressure and just flubbed it into neutral, which created all sorts of problems with the back check. Then like you said got burned in transition.

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by fat_daddyo on Dec 8, 2011 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

What am I seeing that Hunter isn’t when it’s obvious that Schultz — even with all his deficiencies — is a much better player than Erskine?

by RCheli on Dec 8, 2011 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Hunter wants his guys to play with an edge, which Erskine does and Schultz does not? All I can think of.

I don’t think it’s a coincidence that AO speared Neil last night, either.

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by fat_daddyo on Dec 8, 2011 4:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Or that Carlson elbowed whoever-it-was the other night. Er, the not-quite-an-elbow-to-the-head, I mean.

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by EmilyB on Dec 8, 2011 5:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Cooke?

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by fat_daddyo on Dec 8, 2011 5:05 PM EST up reply actions  

So because Erskine is a little rough around the edges, his obvious talent deficiencies are ignored? Bring in tough, edgy players if you have to. Don’t try and change your current players.

Didn’t he see Slapshot?

by RCheli on Dec 8, 2011 5:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Note that I’m just guessing.

I want to see another game to see what happens. If the coach has instructed his guys to play meaner hockey and one of them is not on board, I’m fine with a little benching to get his attention.

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by fat_daddyo on Dec 8, 2011 5:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Channel your inner Pierre McGuire and tell me where they played their Junior hockey.

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by Rob Parker on Dec 8, 2011 5:21 PM EST up reply actions  

After we were talking about BryanMarchment in your fanshot yesterday, you may want to check out this youtube clip I found of some give and take between Marchment and Mike Gartner during his tenure with NYR. Added bonus near the end of the video when you get to see who Marchment’s coach is.

by Rather Bengt on Dec 8, 2011 5:28 PM EST up reply actions  

That coach looks super familiar but I can’t place the name…who is it?

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by fat_daddyo on Dec 8, 2011 5:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t know, but he has an awesome combover.

by RCheli on Dec 8, 2011 5:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Here’s a hint: he thinks everyone in the league is a MONSTER.

Oh, and a Michael Nylander sighting at 0:56!

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by Wheeler on Dec 8, 2011 5:46 PM EST up reply actions  

HAH! Pierre McGuire when he had some hair left. That is too funny.

No wonder he looked familiar.

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by fat_daddyo on Dec 8, 2011 5:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh, you really didn’t recognize him? Awesome, no?

by RCheli on Dec 8, 2011 5:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Didn’t. And I watched it with the sound off due to not having 100% complete privacy at the moment.

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by fat_daddyo on Dec 8, 2011 5:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Sheesh, I hope that’s not the reason.

by RCheli on Dec 8, 2011 5:38 PM EST up reply actions  

And Vokoun yelled at him.

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by Rob Parker on Dec 8, 2011 5:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Regardless of what Hunts says, I think it’s not just what happened last night but a cumulative assessment based on the last spell of games.

by DonnieKnutts on Dec 8, 2011 2:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, it pissed me off too. He kind of panicked with the puck which was bad, but at least he kept it to the outside. I’m sure there were more egregious giveaways in the game (by other players) though. Like I said in an earlier post, I hope this in combination with his lack of quickness were the main factors, and not his lack of toughness.

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by _Skullduggery_ on Dec 8, 2011 2:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Good Whyno piece with quotes from Johnson

http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/capitals-watch/2011/dec/8/jim-johnson-talks-about-jeff-schultz-capitals/

That’s the catch-22 – not wanting Schultz to be a liability while also trying to get him to improve what the coaching staff wants.

"It’s just giving him that opportunity, letting him get out and do it and work with him in practice and get him believing," Johnson said. "I don’t have a problem with him. I’ve always liked him as a player. I think he’s got good skill, good ability, and i’d like to see him – as I’ve told him – just be a little bit more aggressive, close on guys quicker and be a little bit more stronger to play against down in the corners and in front of the net."

Schultz was not made available to reporters Thursday. Johnson said Schultz is "fitting in" with the Caps.

"It’s not that he doesn’t fit in with what we’re doing. He’s big, he’s got a good stick, he’s got a good reach. I’ve been working with his feet; I think his feet are good. I’d like to see him get a little bit more explosive and a little bit more aggressive in the corners and in front of the net. I think it’s a little bit out of his personality, but there’s no reason why we can’t get that out of him."

"I think the biggest thing with coaching and with young kids is that you tell them what you expect, you show them how to do it and then you let them go out and do it. That’s what we’re trying to do and show him through video. There’s no question in my mind – he will be good for us."

by kovachs on Dec 8, 2011 2:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I like Johnson more and more every day.

by Murshawursha on Dec 8, 2011 2:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Every moment is a teaching moment in Jim Johnson’s world. Works for me.

by Aliceanna on Dec 8, 2011 2:57 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s exactly what I thought when watching a game moment caught on video in which Johnson diagrams what Orlov should have done after a shift in which he had made a blunder. Can’t remember which game but I loved the immediacy and practicality of it—especially with a young guy in the midst of a massive learning curve.

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by capsyoungguns on Dec 8, 2011 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

My high school coach was like that. Learned more about hockey, and life in general, from that guy than I did from the entire rest of high school.

by Murshawursha on Dec 8, 2011 4:07 PM EST up reply actions  

That was Johnson’s first game in, and it was in the first period. It was amazing. I went to the practice the day before, right after word came he’d been hired, and he was on the ice, talking to all the Dmen, clearly instructing them already. He’s hands-on, positive, and ridiculously involved. It’s really good to see.

by Aliceanna on Dec 8, 2011 4:36 PM EST up reply actions  

And for me, too. I like this guy. It seems like he taking a real active approach.

by Wilderthing on Dec 8, 2011 4:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Translation: we want to be nasty to play against, and he’s not.

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by fat_daddyo on Dec 8, 2011 2:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Pretty much. Let’s hope it works.

by Kolzilla on Dec 8, 2011 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Put him on the ’roids.

by Caps Homer on Dec 8, 2011 3:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah. We’ll see. If they’ve been trying to teach him the program and he’s not getting with it, a little benching is probably just what the situation requires.

I mean, I’d love it if 55 would start giving guys a faceful of palm in the crease, that sort of thing.

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by fat_daddyo on Dec 8, 2011 3:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Ideally, if 55 does what he is being taught, and when Greener comes back (before he gets hurt again, of course), our top D could be 52-55; 27-74; 6-81? I like it. Hammr and Erskine would then be out of the top 6, at #7 and #8 rotating in for injuries to the top 6.

by Wilderthing on Dec 8, 2011 4:15 PM EST up reply actions  

6/81 as a D pairing scares me a little.

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by Davethecapsfan on Dec 8, 2011 4:54 PM EST up reply actions  

As bad as 44 has looked, I’m still dressing him. Top pair D don’t forget how to play overnight, and I think at this point you need to let him play his way out of this (supposed—I know one person who disagrees…) rut.

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by red army line on Dec 8, 2011 6:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Neil, I am not sure that is the case, but I don’t have the CBA in front of me at the moment.

Anyway, I recall the official stats being mentioned but didn’t recall it stating exclusively official stats. I am sure the other side could potentially poke holes based on source, etc., but I think they are allowed unless explicitly stated to be not allowed in section h.

Here’s the link to Mirtle’s blog entry on Morrisonn but the Globe & Mail link doesn’t work anymore. I’m sure it’s in the archives.

Bah, I am going to stop discussing here after this post, since I can’t use the reply function (tried rebooting, etc.),

by sk84fun_dc on Dec 8, 2011 2:29 PM EST reply actions  

Whyno just tweeted that an NHL spokesman said no supplemental discipline for Ovie.

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by timmyv38 on Dec 8, 2011 3:12 PM EST reply actions  

Uhh, Yeah. here’s what actual, supplement-type spearing looks like:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxi77lWJdaw

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by redlineblue on Dec 8, 2011 4:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I can’t watch it because I’m in class, but am I correct in assuming that that video involves MSM Briere?

by Murshawursha on Dec 8, 2011 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep, you got it.

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by fat_daddyo on Dec 8, 2011 4:14 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s a reference-standard for gutless, sneaky slimeball POS stickwork. Does that answer you question?

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by redlineblue on Dec 8, 2011 4:16 PM EST up reply actions  

That spear was awful, but did you check the score on the video too… it was 6-0 Sabres with 5+ minutes to go in the first period… double ouch.

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by MikeL-Pivonka on Dec 8, 2011 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m not surprised – it didn’t look discipline-worthy to me. There had just been a debate about it.

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by timmyv38 on Dec 8, 2011 4:15 PM EST up reply actions  

It also says he has been offered the option of an in-person hearing… ouch.

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by timmyv38 on Dec 8, 2011 3:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought you had to have an in-person hearing if the potential suspension could be longer than 5 days. not sure what they mean by “option.”

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by RedBirdie on Dec 8, 2011 3:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I think any in-person hearing is optional – but they only offer that if it will be a long suspension.

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by timmyv38 on Dec 8, 2011 3:55 PM EST up reply actions  

thanks for clarifying. So long suspension you can have your hearing in-person or over the phone, your choice; short suspension are over the phone only.

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by RedBirdie on Dec 8, 2011 3:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Shanahan is willing to listen to experts before watching the replays.

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by Alz Well That Ends Well on Dec 8, 2011 3:55 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

further clarification

Real_ESPNLeBrun Pierre LeBrun
Sutton is a repeat offender which won’t help him. The fact he’s been offered an in-person hearing means league can suspend him 6-plus games. Just means it’s an option as per the CBA for Shanahan.

by Beakers Lab on Dec 8, 2011 4:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I assume that the indefinite suspension is designed to get him to the hearing, so they can read him the riot act and suspend him for 15-20 games or so.

As I suspected, Shanny is making an example.

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by fat_daddyo on Dec 8, 2011 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

It was bad, but I don’t think it was 15 games bad. I’d give him 8 to 10, and I’m only go that high because he’s a repeat offender. Otherwise I think it’s worth 5 or so.

by Murshawursha on Dec 8, 2011 4:12 PM EST up reply actions  

He just was suspended for being an idiot. I’d be amazed if it was less than a dozen games, and my money would be on somewhere around 15.

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by sydtron on Dec 8, 2011 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I dunno… It was definitely high and he definitely jumped into it, but it wasn’t from behind, he didn’t board him, and I don’t THINK he led with an elbow (though my replay angle isn’t really conclusive on that last one). Sutton is an idiot, but that’s far from the dirtiest thing I’ve seen this season IMO. I’d bet ten as the upper limit.

by Murshawursha on Dec 8, 2011 4:19 PM EST up reply actions  

He left his feet and the principle point of contact was the head. That’s awfully bush league.

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by sydtron on Dec 8, 2011 4:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I sort of rationalize it as 5 for the headshot, 2-3 for leaving his feet, and 2-3 for being a repeat offender.

I guess I could see 12, but I’d be surprised to see a Cooke-ish suspension tossed out here.

by Murshawursha on Dec 8, 2011 4:28 PM EST up reply actions  

He elbowed someone else in the head about a month ago, so, it’s going to be something of a hammer coming down by Shanahan.

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by sydtron on Dec 8, 2011 4:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Landeskog, and it broke his nose.

by vtcapsfan99 on Dec 8, 2011 4:52 PM EST up reply actions  

after being suspended earlier in the season for 5? He’s done.

by snowburnt on Dec 8, 2011 6:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Sutton is about to have the book thrown at him…

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by MikeL-Pivonka on Dec 8, 2011 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m about to watch the hit and realized Sutton was given the 3rd star of the game.Seems the hit went over well last night.

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by caps&skins on Dec 8, 2011 4:46 PM EST up reply actions  

that’s what they did for other in person hearings, we all suspected he’d get 5+ games so I don’t think this is a huge surprise.

by Beakers Lab on Dec 8, 2011 3:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Do you all realize he also leveled Jeff Skinner and got into a fight because of it in the same game?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oSQSvwJQK4

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by KNUUUUUUUUUUBLE on Dec 8, 2011 4:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Clean hit though. Was it Skinner that Ovi crunched earlier in the year? I just remember that it was a young player. I’ll have to go check the games.

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by caps&skins on Dec 8, 2011 4:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Comment from the Canes beat writer:

ice_chip Chip Alexander
No shock Sutton has been suspended indefinitely. He was out of control last night. Hit on Poni, hit in Staal, hit on Skinner.

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by bagace on Dec 8, 2011 5:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Hits are a given and part of the game, but dirt and illegal hits aren’t. The Skinner hit seemed clean.

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by caps&skins on Dec 8, 2011 5:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah I agree the hit was clean, just remarking that Sutton had quite a night. Still haven’t seen video of the hit that got him suspended, anyone have a link?

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by KNUUUUUUUUUUBLE on Dec 8, 2011 5:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Reading Kerry Fraser’s column on tsn.ca. His opinion is that it was a nicely done spear and Ovi should have been ejected, but what really caught my eye was this:

One tell-tale sign that a ‘diver’ usually provides is looking toward the referee the instant contact is made; usually prior to the player even falling to the ice. Chris Neil immediately turned his head (video) toward the referee after Alex Ovechkin’s stick blade entered Neil’s midsection.

I can tell you that as hard-nosed a player Chris Neil is, his picture appears in the ‘embellishment book’ that most of the NHL referees have assembled in their mind. The penalty Chris was assessed for diving might be the result of the little boy that cried wolf too many times in the mind of the ref (In that same period, I believe Chris fell down unnaturally in an attempt to draw a penalty after being bumped in front of the Caps net by defenceman John Erskine).

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by gfcaps fan on Dec 8, 2011 6:20 PM EST reply actions  

MSL might be hurt a bit more than suspected...

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Just awful. Took puck to face RT @mirtle: #TBLightning: Marty St. Louis is out indefinitely after suffering facial and nasal fractures.

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by timmyv38 on Dec 8, 2011 6:37 PM EST reply actions  

As if they weren’t already having enough problems.

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by gfcaps fan on Dec 8, 2011 6:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah… and it’s a shame it happened to MSL. He seems to be a classy guy – I have nothing but respect for him.

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by timmyv38 on Dec 8, 2011 6:46 PM EST up reply actions  

His consecutive games played streak has ended at 499.

by discuit on Dec 8, 2011 7:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Damn, that is bad, bad luck.

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by capsyoungguns on Dec 8, 2011 7:21 PM EST up reply actions  

And Shanaban is back at work… Porter just got 4 games for his knee-on-knee on Booth.

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