Radical Realignment of the NHL
We've all seen dozens of plans, and the current plan shown on HNIC the other day, while radical, actually moves very few teams. The teams that would move to different groupings are Minnesota, Winnipeg and Dallas (to the Central, along with the 5 current teams in the Central); Washington and Carolina move into the Atlantic, and Tampa Bay and Florida move into the Northeast (getting a new name presumably...). The remaining teams in the Pacific and Northwest are merged together into one conference.
To make this change (or any change) would require 20 teams to be in favor of the change. While personally, I like this scenario, the question is are there 20 teams that like it too.
First of all, it is very likely that all of the current Western teams would like it. No team would be in a conference with teams more than one time zone away. If we consider the new far west conference (Van, Cgy, Edm, Col, Phx, SJ, LA, Anh), I suspect there would be 8 Yes votes here. Reduced travel would be the big seller. Right now all these teams have to make two trips to Nashville, Columbus, etc. and that would go down to one. It's not just the travel costs, too. If the Canucks are playing in Columbus, the game likely starts at 4 PM in Vancouver, meaning folks aren't able to watch the game on TV as they're still at work.
The new Central conference will have some ardent supporters of the new plan: Detroit, Minnesota, Winnipeg, Dallas, Nashville, St. Louis and Chicago. The only team that might not be as ardent about it is Columbus, who might want to be in one of the Eastern conferences (the Atlantic with Pittsburgh). But Columbus also knows that if this radical realignment doesn't happen, they'll have 10 games in the following season starting at 10 PM or later local time (out West) instead of 5. I suspect there will be 8 "Yes" votes here too.
That brings us to 16 votes in favor. The NHL needs 20.
Looking East is where the troubles are, although likely the Commissioner only needs to get 4 or 5 votes. The rumor out there is that the Flyers are very much in favor of this new alignment, probably because they're part of the same company as Comcast, meaning it's in their best interest to have lots of good TV match ups, and 6 Wsh-Pit, Wsh-Phi, Phi-NYR, Pit-NYR, Phi-Pit, Bos-Mtl, will work out for them. I can also see Ted and the Capitals being in favor of it as well, since it would mean shorter trips to games for the team, and more match-ups with traditional rivals. I suspect Mario might be in favor of the plan, ditto for the Rangers' ownership. If we assume that the Caps, Flyers, Pens and Rangers are in favor. The Canes will probably vote in favor as well since it means more games with closer rivals. The Devils will probably go with the same plan as the Rangers. The Islanders will vote which ever way gets them a new arena.
Before getting to the Northeast-Florida conference, the NHL probably has enough votes to pass this. I have a hunch the only teams in favor of the plan in the this conference are the two Florida teams, as they draw well when Montreal, Boston and Toronto come to town. I also suspect Montreal and Toronto are going to be the most opposed to this realignment.
It looks very much like this plan will be adopted by the league, and personally, it gives the league flexibility as well as stability.
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I think Detroit might also be a stumbling block. They’ve been rather vocal about going East, and they may decide that if the options are “Best for Detroit” (swapping with Winnipeg into the SE) or “Best for the NHL” then they’ll go with what’s best for them.
As for in-favor: I think every one of the proposed “new” Patrick division team sis on board. Obviously, the 5 Atlantic teams get what they want, the Caps want to be back with their traditional rivals, and I can’t imagine Carolina will complain too loudly about the huge attendance bump they’ll see if they get some extra games with this alignment.
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If the NHL gets all the West teams, even without Detroit, and all of the new “Patrick” Conference (Atlantic plus Caps and Canes), that’s 21 votes for, and the realignment would happen.
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Dec 5, 2011 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
Wysh has a nice piece on some of the cons of the potential realignment. it’s very much worth reading. One of the cons (emphasis mine):
Had this been the format last season, the Los Angeles Kings would have missed the playoffs despite having more points than Chicago and Dallas. The same story would play out every year in this format: It’s not as if a team falls short of the playoffs because of their record, it’s that they’re screwed by the divisional seeding.
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That’s true, but who is to say that they would have had a similar record playing more games against Edmonton, Calgary and Colorado and fewer against Dallas?
What I’d like to see is a compromise in that rather than the top 4 teams make the playoffs, that the bottom 3 in each conference don’t. This would result in a “wild card” round (2 out of 3) for the 4th and 5th place teams in the two 8 team conferences.
As for Detroit coming east, their main complaint is having 16 road games that start at 9 PM or later every year. That would be reduced to 8, which would be the same for any team not in the far west conference. Having a few extra games against the teams in the central time zone won’t be that big a deal, considering these games would be against a traditional rival like Chicago, and against other rivals like St. Louis and Columbus (Columbus-Detroit should be played up as the NHL equivalent of Ohio State-Michigan).
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Dec 5, 2011 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
The same story would play out every year in this format: It’s not as if a team falls short of the playoffs because of their record, it’s that they’re screwed by the divisional seeding.
How’s that any different then the way it is now with the Eastern and Western Conferences? Last season, Dallas and Calgary were out with 95 and 94 points in the West while the Rangers made the playoffs in the East with 93. The season before saw St. Louis (90), Calgary (90), and Anaheim (89) home for the playoffs in the West with Montreal (88) and Philly (88) playing for a chance at the Cup in the East.
by HockeyGoalie29 on Dec 5, 2011 10:54 PM EST up reply actions
It’s no different, but the split to 4 divisions does provide more scenarios where this will happen.
Right now, with the “divisions” setup, a team can potentially finish 5th in their division and still make the playoffs, and those divisions with weaker teams get less teams in.
At the end of the day, either way you do it, there will probably be some teams that get in with weaker records than some teams that don’t, but the new format does make it much harder if a team is in the same “conference” with many strong teams (which the Caps suddenly find themselves in).
Long story short, inter-conference games will be more important to win with the new setup than inter-division games are now.
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by PaintDrinkingPete on Dec 6, 2011 1:36 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I know it’s done, but let me just throw this one out there: swap Detroit and Columbus for Tampa and Florida. makes more geographic sense?
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It does…kinda, but Detroit (and to some extent, Columbus) has developed rivalries with the teams it currently plays in the Central Division, namely the Blackhawks as of late. With this setup, all of the Detroit’s inter-conference games will be in the Eastern or Central time zone, and they will travel MORE to the Eastern time zone and much LESS to the Pacific and Mountain time zones. These solve most of the issues teams like Columbus and Detroit faced playing in the Western Conference under the current setup, and keeps current rivalries intact.
In terms of travel, the FL teams may have preferred to be grouped in the same conference as the Caps, but I highly doubt they’d prefer playing in the “Central” conference, especially if Det and CBJ aren’t there, and the more frequent visits of teams like Toronto and Montreal = more tickets sold to those games, as they are big draws in those markets.
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by PaintDrinkingPete on Dec 6, 2011 1:26 AM EST up reply actions
Four New Conferences: Four New Trophies
Each of the new conferences will need a new trophy for their champions, since the Wales and Campbell Trophies will likely become something else…
The Bobby Orr Trophy for the champion of the “Northeast-Florida” Conference
The Cook Brothers Trophy for the champion of the “Atlantic” Conference (Named for Bill and Bun Cook who both played over a decade for the Rangers)
The Gordie How Trophy for the champion of the “Central” Conference
The Wayne Gretzky Trophy for the champion of the “Western” Conference.
(Conference names are in quotes since they don’t have official names yet…)
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the "Northeast-Florida" Conference
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