Recap: Flyers 5, Caps 1
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Despite being without their top defenseman and forward, the first-place Flyers' visit to the Verizon Center on Tuesday night presented Dale Hunter's Caps with a chance to see how they measure up to one of the Eastern Conference's big dogs. Unfortunately for the boys in red, the answer was a resounding "unfavorably," as they were embarrassed on home ice by their longtime rival by a 5-1 count.
Ten more notes on the game:
- Shades of the 2008 playoffs early in the first period when James van Riemsdyk crosschecked Dennis Wideman, whose momentum then took the Caps defender and the puck into the net. Thankfully, the zebras got the call right this time... though we'd all happily trade a miss here for having gotten it right then.
- Ultimately (and it's a bit of an over-simplification), the difference between a decent goalie and a good one is nothing more than the frequency with which they give up bad goals. And with another couple of questionable goals allowed against the Flyers (Philly's first, which looked to be deflected a bit by Wideman's stick... but still, and their fourth), Tomas Vokoun has looked much more like a decent goalie than a good one so far this season. He doesn't have to stand on his head to give the Caps a chance to win on most nights, but he's gotta make the saves he's gotta make - those softies are killers. Vokoun only lasted 40 minutes, and you'd imagine he'll get a baseball cap on Thursday.
- Can someone please remind Hunter that, despite his Ontario Hockey League coaching foundation, he is allowed to beat teams from outside that province? With Tuesday night's loss, Hunter is now 3-0-0 against Ontario's two teams in his young NHL coaching career and 0-4-0 against teams from elsewhere.
- Kids, when you're playing something that closely resembles man-to-man defense, it's pretty important not to get beaten to the front of the net by your man when one of his teammates has the puck at the point and, if you are beaten, be sure to tie up his stick so he can't deflect a shot past your netminder. Mathieu Perreault and Marcus Johansson were both victimized on the "what not to do" part of that quick lesson (though Perreault seemed to have actually been the deflector on his misplay), and the two mistakes less than seven minutes apart left the Caps in a 3-0 hole.
- If the Caps aren't going to score at even strength, they're not going to win many games. Friday night was an obvious exception to that (with the four power-play tallies providing all of the Caps' scoring in the win over Toronto), but the team now has scored just once at evens in the last two games,
- Things happen when Wideman is on the ice. Obviously there were the four power-play goals-for on Friday night (and one of the goals-against). Then there were three goals-against and one for on Tuesday night. That's 76 goals on the season (37 for, 39 against) for which Wideman's been on the ice.
- Jeff Halpern broke Ilya Bryzgalov's shutout with 6:01 left in the third period and ended the night with a plus-one rating (as did Joel Ward). It's almost as if he's chosen or something.
- Alex Ovechkin followed up his impressive "resurgent Ovi" back-to-backs with an uninspired effort against a team that usually gets his best. Three shots on goal, another two that went wide, and only two hits. Hopefully just an off night and in no way attributable to the collision he had with Alexander Semin (who actually led the game with five hits... huh?).
- Good job by Karl Alzner and John Carlson on the Flyer's top line, as the Caps duo held Jaromir Jagr, Scott Hartnell and Sean Couturier to just three shots on goal (none by Jagr) and two points (which came with Alzner on the bench).
- Roman Hamrlik has now played 25 games this season and has yet to notch an assist. How is it even possible that the one-time 49-assist man has fewer helpers on the campaign than Vokoun?
At best, Tuesday night's loss is a reminder that the Caps are far from out of the proverbial woods and have plenty of work to do. At worst, it's a sign that perhaps they don't have the right map to get them out and/or the right players to do the work it will take. The reality, as it usually does, lies somewhere in between.
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Rec’d for the acrostic despite losing out on differential at the moment.
As a note, let’s keep contributions to the game and/or noticeable trends, positive or negative.
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by Bald Pollack on Dec 13, 2011 9:38 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
What if I have an even keeled and neutral observation?
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I think the two blown PP’s in the first really hurt. No net presence, no traffic, no deflections and just too cute with the overpassing looking for the perfect shot. Frustrating as hell to watch.
Cross check and all call.
No net presence during 99% of the game. Inexcusable.
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by RedBirdie on Dec 13, 2011 10:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Brutal game. Thank goodness it wasn’t a shutout. I’m a silver lining soul. I felt so encouraged by the first. Sigh!
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by capsyoungguns on Dec 13, 2011 9:45 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I thought nothing could make me laugh after that one, but I was wrong. Beautiful acrostic.
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How could I have missed that!
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by capsyoungguns on Dec 13, 2011 10:05 PM EST up reply actions
swept by TB 4 zip, since then urgh
wowzers, bad Caps bad .
Trade Thomas for Varly…. lol
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by Mikko Leinonen's opposite on Dec 13, 2011 9:48 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Symmetry
This game reminds me of something…it reminds me of when we beat the Flyers 5-2 by dominating them down low, screening the goalie and getting tip ins. Remember that?
Tonight we weren’t nearly physical enough on the Flyers. Sasha led the team with 5 hits? Great for Sasha, how about everyone else?
by David C. Rothman on Dec 13, 2011 9:52 PM EST reply actions
Or someone got a bit confused keeping track of hits, and what they are defined as.
Bruce Boudreau when asked about Brooks Laich's return to the lineup, he said: "He just adds another dimension to our team. If it was puzzle, he just fits that thing. He completes us."
Brooks Laich completing everything from teams to tires and everything in between.
- had at least three hits on one shift. He was taking the body tonight, surprisingly. Including his teammate’s…
That said, that one play on the PP where he passed up a chance to shoot and instead took all the way around the net—essentially negating his own scoring threat on his own—was a telltale sign of a player utterly lacking in confidence. Semin needs to shoot that biscuit.
by DonnieKnutts on Dec 13, 2011 10:37 PM EST up reply actions
Clear case of looking ahead to a grueling road trip against 2 powerhouses. Aw, fuck it, this “effort” can’t even inspire me to sarcasm. At least Jagrfuck only had an assist.
Ambiance and vanity.
by Acer Jonesy's Laughker on Dec 13, 2011 9:55 PM EST reply actions
This fucking town is a sports wasteland if the Caps don’t get it turned around. I’m too old, after 35+ years of agony, for this kind of futility.
by ShootTheBullets on Dec 13, 2011 10:01 PM EST reply actions
Alright, time to take a step back from the ledge...
Now I’m going to begin and end this with a disclaimer: the Caps looked like shit tonight. If they consistently play as they have tonight, they have no shot at making the playoffs. HOWEVA, for those out there saying the coaching change didn’t work, the Caps suck, they’re not going to make the playoffs, fuck this team, blah blah blah, a few points:
1) It’s one game.
2) Old habits, like not giving a 60-minute effort, die hard. That’s why Dale is there: to beat those bad habits out of them.
3) Blowouts happen, even to good teams. Hell, just look at tonight. The Pens got shelled at home 4-1 by the Red Wings.
4) The Caps are 3-2 in their last five. Doesn’t sound so great, but if they won 3 of every 5 they played, they’d have 48 or 49 wins to end the season.
5) These kinds of games are starting to look more like the exception than the rule. With Boudreau, it got to be every game. Now the Caps are mailing it in once every three games. Progress.
6) Aside from Philly, no one in the East is more than two regulation or overtime wins ahead of the Caps. With 50+ games remaining.
7) Just because some key personnel is out doesn’t mean one of the best teams in the league suddenly sucks. Jesus Christ, we’ve been without Mike Green most of the season. This is the NHL, and teams have four lines and about 20 skaters.
8) There’s no way Tomas Vokoun sucks THIS much. Or Neuvirth, for that matter.
9) It’s one game.
And yes, before you all write comments about how much the Caps looked like shit tonight, I will again give my disclaimer: the Caps looked like shit tonight. If they consistently play as they have tonight, they have no shot at making the playoffs. But if the Caps beat Winnipeg and Colorado in the next four days, all will be forgotten and they’ll be 5-2 in their last 7. I guess what I’m trying to say is …

On to Winnipeg. Let’s go Caps.
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by KNUUUUUUUUUUBLE on Dec 13, 2011 10:03 PM EST reply actions 6 recs
I know a lot of frustration for me is this back and forth, up and down play from the Caps. We’re just past 1/3 the way through the season, and they show us bad signs for a few games, then show us huge improvement for a couple, then they regress again. I still have a glass half full and am willing to give Hunter more time to make an imprint on this team. But nights like tonight’s game are difficult to take. They tax my patience, that’s all there is to it. And no one taxes my patience more than Ovechkin. Only three shots on goal all in the third period, minus 2, horrendous giveaway…I want to see the Ovechkin from the previous two games, and I don’t think that’s too much to ask for.
On to Winnipeg and Colorado it is.
by Ovietracker on Dec 13, 2011 10:05 PM EST up reply actions
The lack of even-strength goals mentioned in the recap is the alarming thing here. And the fact that the Caps have yet to have a definitive victory over a contending team under Hunter. Will feel a lot better once that happens.
by DonnieKnutts on Dec 13, 2011 10:33 PM EST up reply actions
OK. How long a grace period should Hunter get? I think it’s got to be several weeks, at least — the usually cutoff for coaching changes is no later than the All-Star break, right? Which allows for about two months before the playoffs start. If it’s reasonable for us to not start worrying until late January, then I will try to remind myself not to start worrying until late January.
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by CapitalCentre on Dec 13, 2011 11:02 PM EST up reply actions
There’s no way the Caps are firing two coaches in one season
by DonnieKnutts on Dec 13, 2011 11:05 PM EST up reply actions
Probably not; I wasn’t even considering that.
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by CapitalCentre on Dec 13, 2011 11:16 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed, but lets first see some heart and results in a road game against someone other than Toronto or Ottawa.
by ShootTheBullets on Dec 13, 2011 10:07 PM EST reply actions
Ovechkin. Dude.
I don’t get it. Didn’t he have fun playing well, dominating, scoring, winning, etc. last two games? Why he stop now?
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by breed16 on Dec 13, 2011 10:08 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I was sure his insanely long slump was over after those two games, the fuuuuck???
by whats fehr is fehr on Dec 14, 2011 2:33 AM EST up reply actions
I’ve decided I don’t like games with HBO in town.
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The Winter Classic went pretty well
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by KNUUUUUUUUUUBLE on Dec 13, 2011 10:10 PM EST up reply actions
Oh. Key phrase “in town.”
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by KNUUUUUUUUUUBLE on Dec 13, 2011 10:11 PM EST up reply actions
Hmmm...........
So we now it was NOT Boudreau — the Caps can play lousy for a new coach just as well as with Boudreau. But, it’s one game.
I was hoping we would win versus Florida, instead we only show up in the 3rd period. Then I was thinking we’ll beat Philly with their best forward and best D-man missing in action.
Maybe it’s tme to “chuck the plan”. Maybe it’s time to let GMGM go.
Vokoun – now we know why no one else gave him big money
Hamrlik – where were our NHL scouts in that research
Ward – I like the guy – but NOT for that amount of money
Philly looks smarter and smarter for ridding big contracts and some alleged malcontents.
Maybe it’s time for GMGM to move on and maybe it’s time for another “rebuild”
….or maybe we say “it’s only ONE game”…….
…..or maybe I ought to spank the dog instead of posting…….
Joel Ward scores 30 points a year. He’s on that pace, so let’s not pretend he’s regressing or something. Quite frankly, he’s worked harder than just about anyone else and I personally think he’s a large reason for Chimera’s and Laich’s success. Ward is definitely not the problem with this team.
Brouwer has been a good pickup so far. And so was Halpy.
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by KNUUUUUUUUUUBLE on Dec 13, 2011 10:18 PM EST up reply actions
You have made nice points
Ward isn’t the problem, agree with that – just think too much $$ involved
Brouwer has been a nice pickup as well – agree he was worth the late 1st round pick
Chimera has been awesome – a superb trade and nice re-signing
To be sure, every scout and every GM “swings and misses” with both prospects and NHL veterans.
I thought Ward and Brouwer were just the kind...
of pickups this team needed. The problems this year are, in my view:
1) Weak goaltending. An obvious problem. And these guys have a knack of giving up soft goals at bad times.
2) The blue line is thin: After Alzner and maybe Carlson, this team’s back line is average: Shultz, Hamr, Wideman, Erskine—not exactly a shutdown group. Orlov getting his feet wet.
3) Center position is thin: Johansson is young and Perreault is …meh.
4) And perhaps biggest of all, the Caps Russian goal scorers have been AWOL this year. Semin has had a totally disastrous year, thus far, and Ovie has been way below par. When Jason—FORMERLY stone hands—chimera is your leading scorer, you know your offense is struggling.
by slipperyice on Dec 14, 2011 12:14 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
GMGM also resigned Chimera, don’t forget. Let’s not just shit all over him for Vokoun and Hamrlick underperforming.
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If you have to ask, you’ll never know.
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by Bald Pollack on Dec 13, 2011 10:21 PM EST up reply actions
JP’s got it right. The Caps are not as bad as they looked tonight. In particular they ought to have had at least a couple more goals tonight.
They’re also definitely not as good as they looked in the Leafs game.
They need to tighten up in goal and in their own zone. They almost certainly have the personnel to do it.
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They need to tighten up in goal and in their own zone. They almost certainly have the personnel to do it.
Do they? I’m no longer operating under the assumption that Vokoun still has the physical skills to play the position at the level he used to. He’s 37.
Goalies are like quarterbacks. Age isn’t as big of a factor, I don’t think. You can be a dominant goalie into your 30s.
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by KNUUUUUUUUUUBLE on Dec 13, 2011 10:46 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah but players do still regress after their early 30’s, Bill James always talks about how athletes decline surprisingly quickly after age 32-34. Are there exceptions? Sure.
How old is Tim Thomas?
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He’s thirty seven, and I was looking to him as the primary example of why Vokoun won’t decline this season because I wanted to believe. What worries me is how slow Vokoun looks in moving laterally, closing his pads and around the crease.
I think there was some of that in Florida, as well. He’ll stop the first shot better than almost anyone else, but get him moving or second chances, as with most goalies, and he’ll look bad. That being said, I don’t think goalies drop from top-4 to average so quickly.
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by red army line on Dec 14, 2011 2:17 AM EST up reply actions
but it’s certain skills that decline quickly, others do not.
straight line speed declines quickly.
quickness or coordination does not.
that’s why there are more old QBs and goalies than there are runningbacks and scoring centers.
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I wasn’t a huge fan of Hamr from the begining. TVo is underperforming but hasn’t ever had numbers this bad even in big situations. And ward was an overpayment for playoff performance – not regular season performance.
GMGM is the guy that brought us: Green, Johansson, Eakin, Varly, Neuvy, Holtby, Alzner, Schultz, Carlson, Backstrom, Orlov, etc etc. The only real flub he had was ole F-16 at draft day. GMGM has been one of the most successful GMs during his tenure.
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Brooks Laich completing everything from teams to tires and everything in between.
He also drafted Sasha Pouluck and Joe Finley.
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by RedBirdie on Dec 13, 2011 10:52 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
And one of them had more TOI than Sarge a couple nights ago….(whistle)
Bruce Boudreau when asked about Brooks Laich's return to the lineup, he said: "He just adds another dimension to our team. If it was puzzle, he just fits that thing. He completes us."
Brooks Laich completing everything from teams to tires and everything in between.
by breaklance on Dec 13, 2011 10:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
New to the Rink - nice acrostic, JP!
Only took me 20 min to realize what Bald Pollack meant in post # 2. Yikes!
by ShootTheBullets on Dec 13, 2011 10:15 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Welcome aboard.
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The Flyers’ fourth goal was like a microcosm of all that’s been wrong with the Caps this year…totally full of fail. (1) Ovie’s exuberant move easily thwarted by Coburn, who subsequently rubs him out, easily (2) Play quickly goes other way, with Caps D easily conceding neutral zone as Flyers forwards fly into O-zone totally unimpeded. (3) (Cue lazy backcheck from #8.) (4) Prayer launched by (effin’) Max Talbot, somehow flutters in past Vokoun.
Goal, opposition.
Groans, Caps fans.
Just watched that 4th goal replay
You are “spot-on”.
One thing the Great 8 doesn’t have going for him: defensive responsibility on a consistent basis. If the Great 8 “aint scoring goals”…..he’s (sadly) a liability.
When Ovi got mugged, all the Caps on the ice seemed to quit pressing — maybe it was physical or mental fatigue, or the expectation someone else would chase the puck, or something — I don’t know what it was, but I expected a goal against pretty quickly.
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by CapitalCentre on Dec 13, 2011 11:10 PM EST up reply actions
If we could only turn Schultz into Coburn. That guy is such a rock
by DonnieKnutts on Dec 13, 2011 11:28 PM EST up reply actions
Underperformers: Ovi, Sasha, Hamrlik, Vokes, Neuvy, Schultz.
Promising or above expectations: Orlov, Chimmer, Laich.
Big $ guys need to step up.
by ShootTheBullets on Dec 13, 2011 10:23 PM EST reply actions
Well said.
Return on investment for Ovi, Sasha, Hamrlik & Schultz not so great.
Bang for the buck ain’t there.
On the other hand, Vokoun looks like a “less than $2M goaltender”.
Neuvy just looks like his confidence is fractured – he truly hasn’t been that great since Tampa whipped us 4 straight.
Schultz? Really, Schultz?
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by RedBirdie on Dec 13, 2011 10:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, he didn’t hit anybody tonight.
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by EmilyB on Dec 13, 2011 10:28 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Schultz - yes
Not playing up the dollar value of his contract – and I’m not a Schultz basher, either.
We have lots of high-dollar players not consistently playing up to the value of their contracts.
Schultz isn’t exactly a high dollar guy. You want a highly paid d man who just completely blows most nights? Dennis Wideman is your boy.
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by RedBirdie on Dec 13, 2011 10:35 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
D-Wides is a poor man’s mike green. But lets be honest, he hasn’t been horrible most nights unlike someone else on the team who’s name resembles a carpentry tool.
Bruce Boudreau when asked about Brooks Laich's return to the lineup, he said: "He just adds another dimension to our team. If it was puzzle, he just fits that thing. He completes us."
Brooks Laich completing everything from teams to tires and everything in between.
Hamr blows, without saying. But if Schultz is going to get called out as an overpaid, underperforming d man, then I think Wideman’s complete inability to actually play defense and be a constant liability for nearly $4mil has to be brought up.
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by RedBirdie on Dec 13, 2011 10:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Schultz had karma with Mike Green. He just seems to lack confidence, but unlike Hamrlik, should come around. Wideman’s exasperating and undersized, but we need offense & he gives us that. Hamrlik-might just be the end of the line.
by ShootTheBullets on Dec 13, 2011 10:51 PM EST up reply actions
Not karma, good chemistry.
One of our lovely #fancystats experts can tell us just how good he is, but the fact is Schultz is paid to not give up goals. He’s good at that. He’ll never go +50 again, but that has less to do with Schultz and much more to do with that fact that the Caps are highly unlikely to crack the 300 goal mark any time soon.
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by RedBirdie on Dec 13, 2011 10:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
If I had to give a post-season evaluation now of how I thought guys are performing by what I expected it would go as: Chimera would be a 10, Nicky a 9, Wides a 5, Sarge a 4, and Hamr a 1.
Bruce Boudreau when asked about Brooks Laich's return to the lineup, he said: "He just adds another dimension to our team. If it was puzzle, he just fits that thing. He completes us."
Brooks Laich completing everything from teams to tires and everything in between.
by breaklance on Dec 13, 2011 10:53 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Schultz looks lost 5 on 5. Needs to get confidence back & start hitting somebody. He at least makes an effort, just limited in talent.
by ShootTheBullets on Dec 13, 2011 10:30 PM EST up reply actions
Pretty much invisible in the game today. Which is hard to do when you’re 6’6".
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by EmilyB on Dec 13, 2011 10:31 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Perfect 10
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by Christoph J on Dec 13, 2011 10:53 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, Shultz. That asshole didn’t clear anyone from the crease either.
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by Christoph J on Dec 13, 2011 10:49 PM EST up reply actions
halpern has been pretty good too. I would add him to your list.
eakin needs to go back to hershey for at least the whole year. the kid is not ready for the nhl yet.
by brazilianbeast on Dec 13, 2011 10:31 PM EST up reply actions
I would still take Boyd Gordon over Halpern.
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by Christoph J on Dec 13, 2011 10:55 PM EST up reply actions
Gordon is running a 1063 PDO right now. Even if Gordon is better, Halpern has been great (top Corsi Rel player despite worst zone start). Glad to see him tally tonight. Wouldn’t mind seeing him on the 2nd line the way he’s playing, actually.
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by red army line on Dec 14, 2011 2:21 AM EST up reply actions
Chimmer and Laich aren’t big dollar guys?
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by KNUUUUUUUUUUBLE on Dec 13, 2011 10:49 PM EST up reply actions
I wouldn’t consider Chimera big dollar. Brooksie? Probably.
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by RedBirdie on Dec 13, 2011 11:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Remember we were saying in the first Philly game aboutVokoun?
We were all saying how the Flyers got hosed by the Bryzgalov contract and how much we shined with the bargain basement price for what we thought was at least as good of a goaltender.
And now we are saying……Vokoun ain’t even worth his less than $2M contract?
How quickly the sporting world turns.
And it will turn again. That’s why one has to take it game-by-game.
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by capsyoungguns on Dec 13, 2011 10:33 PM EST up reply actions
You want Bryzgalov at 7 more years at that cap hit? Seriously?
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by Bald Pollack on Dec 13, 2011 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
OK then, wih a $1.5m hit, Vokoun is a cup of coffee/$50k less than Leighton. Hardly justification to run him out, and I’m not a GMGM fan.
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by Bald Pollack on Dec 13, 2011 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
i don’t think anyone can criticize the decision to sign vokoun. at the time it was made, it was doubleplusgood.
Agreed. My questiion is how long do you give him to play through it? I think you still have to give him until the trade deadline, but if it comes down to it, do the Caps even have the roster flexibility to call anyone up?
If Neuvirth regains form, I’ll take Vokoun as the #2 any day. Regardless, one of them has got to rise to the occasion. What is Hunter’s M.O. with goalies compared to Boudreau?
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by Christoph J on Dec 13, 2011 11:01 PM EST up reply actions
That’s the big if — Neuvirth regaining form. And, what’s even more depressing if that Holtby isn’t having a very good year either.
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For fuck’s sake! The big fucking IF isn’t just fucking Neuvirth fucking regaining form. It’s the whole fucking team regaining form! And what’s even more fucking depressing then fucking Holtby not having a very good fucking year in fucking Hershey is that the whole fucking team isn’t having a very good fucking year either … (with Dale fucking ‘BIG game’ Hunter and without fucking Bruce fat fuck Boudreau.)
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by Christoph J on Dec 13, 2011 11:28 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
No one really knows what Hunter’s M.O. is with any position compared to Boudreau.
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Just wondering how he handled things in the OHL.
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by Christoph J on Dec 13, 2011 11:29 PM EST up reply actions
Can we have Pronger’s contract, too? Pretty please? Oh, and fire GMGM and bring in Holmgren!
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by RedBirdie on Dec 13, 2011 10:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
That’s just childesh !
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by fat_daddyo on Dec 13, 2011 10:38 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
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by RedBirdie on Dec 13, 2011 10:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Awwww
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by Christoph J on Dec 13, 2011 10:58 PM EST up reply actions
Shit, I let Christopher see my nice side! Hey, Shitbum, did you watch the fucking disaster in person tonight? What a fucking laughter.
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by RedBirdie on Dec 13, 2011 11:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Busted. Totally. No, RBeeyatch, I did not — sold my tickets for this one. Only caught the final 20 on an interwebz feed.
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by Christoph J on Dec 13, 2011 11:15 PM EST up reply actions
Consider yourself lucky. It was the 9th circle of hell in that building tonight. Shit play+Flyers fans+usual weeknight crowd of hipsters who have never attended a game before…..I was ready to swan dive from the 400s after the 4th goal. And again after the 5th.
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by RedBirdie on Dec 13, 2011 11:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
We were sitting next to two Flyers fans since our seat neighbors live in Hershey and only go to 2-3 games a year and sell the rest.
Maybe I should be more proactive next year (or later this season) and offer to buy their Flyers or Pens tickets and give (or sell) to coworkers.
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A swan dive from the 400s after the 4th would have been tragically poetic. After the 5th? Not so much. Just tragic.
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by Christoph J on Dec 13, 2011 11:36 PM EST up reply actions
As a Flyers fan, I’m still saying that the Flyers got hosed by the Bryzgalov contract and the Caps shined with the bargain basement price for what I think is at least as good a goaltender.
Keeping alive the old Vaudeville joke, "I'd rather be dead than play Philadelphia."
Ken Sabourin: “need to stop the fire drills in our own end”. BINGO!
by ShootTheBullets on Dec 13, 2011 10:31 PM EST reply actions
The couple of minutes preceding the Simmonds goal were so utterly dominant by Philly that it was inevitable that they would score. When’s the last time we had as dominant an even-strength shift, much less one culminating in a goal? Long, long time
by DonnieKnutts on Dec 13, 2011 10:35 PM EST up reply actions
He should know about that, having been involved in many of them in the early 1990s with the Caps…
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Dec 14, 2011 9:55 AM EST up reply actions
This team has consistently had trouble clearing the puck out of our own end...
Even when we were “good” tha was one of our “weaknesses”.
Now that we look “pedestrian/average” the fact we can’t move the puck out of our own zone has magnified.
When the puck squirts off the defensive wall we always seem to be chasing it, not controlling it, even if we outnumber their forwards. Even Nicky was getting abused tonight.
by ShootTheBullets on Dec 13, 2011 10:37 PM EST up reply actions
I agree. So how is this possible with a team that many agree is one of the biggest in the league? Shouldn’t we own the boards? Do we just not practice this enough? Shouldn’t all NHLers have spent 1,000 hours throughout their life working the boards already? Do they really need to practice this basic skill? How many more questions can I ask in one post?
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I think it’s a matter of being on the same page. Maybe not all the forwards are smart enough away from the puck in the defensive zone to both cover their man and anticipate the play.
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by red army line on Dec 14, 2011 2:22 AM EST up reply actions
Japers’ regulars know what can drive me to pull my hair out and scream. There was much hair pulling and screaming tonight. Sigh.
Caps appeared to have multiple scoring chances in the third and the puck just would not go in the net. Given how the first two periods went, I was absolutely shocked to see the Caps finished with 32 SOG. Hometown scorekeeping, or legitimately got a ton of shits on Bryz in the third?
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by RedBirdie on Dec 13, 2011 10:33 PM EST via mobile reply actions
actually the 3rd period was pretty even and the caps had some huge shifts. the first was good too, but Vokoun just destroyed us with that softy.
the 2nd period was just awful.
by brazilianbeast on Dec 13, 2011 10:37 PM EST up reply actions
There were multiple times in the third I couldn’t believe they didn’t score. They had 16 after two and I wasn’t surprised they finished with 32
by Beakers Lab on Dec 13, 2011 10:40 PM EST up reply actions
Considering they had 5 SoG through the first WITH 2 PPs….
But hey 30 SoG thats something. Even if half the shots come when the game was well out of reach at the end of the game when they were otherwise on track for like 22 SoG its something alright.
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Decided that Hunter’s sig line (if he had one) should be: “That’s the game of hockey.” No matter which question that’s his answer.
Knuble: "I am what I am. I play well with good players."
Not much. Couple of goals that Vokoun wants back, but a couple that were deflected wristers from the outside. However that’s hockey. Got to try for those deflections. The media kept asking questions about mental fortitude and heart—phrased differently though—but Hunter wouldn’t bite. Just repeated “That’s the game of hockey.” after all the Sturm und Drang of the Boudreau era, the boring and deliberately unpointed nature of Hunter’s press conferences has really begun to grow on me.
Knuble: "I am what I am. I play well with good players."
by capsyoungguns on Dec 13, 2011 10:49 PM EST up reply actions
I’ll note that he looked pretty upset when he walked into the press conference. He just stonewalled the media is all. Guess he was making up for Vokoun’s performance.
Only thing to do is wait and see what they can do in the Peg.
I don’t think there’s much in the way of flexibility, not with the way they’re capped out. At least if Green comes back.
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by DonnieKnutts on Dec 13, 2011 11:03 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah. We’re just never going to get the true picture out of Hunter, and that’s something we as fans lost when Boudreau left. It might be better for the team but it closes off our window into the clubhouse that much more.
But how much of that was honesty and how much of that was sugarcoating and feeding the press his rationale for a poor performance? I guess I’m still kind of aggravated about how he threw Eric Fehr under the bus after the TB series when several other players made huge mistakes as well.
by jopierce on Dec 13, 2011 11:24 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I find his presses calming. When I’m freaking out and upset, a visibly agitated and emotional coach on camera doesn’t help reassure me that my team isn’t going to start forgetting how to play hockey. Maybe it’s a poker face, but I find him less likely to just cover up for deficiencies – he won’t call out guys in the press, but he won’t feel obligated to sugarcoat their poor performance, either.
by jopierce on Dec 13, 2011 11:22 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Coach Hunter
I will stay calm, I will not say anything, I will stay calm, I will not say anything, I will stay calm ….



by sk84fun_dc on Dec 13, 2011 11:28 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Or maybe it’s all simmering under right now but will suddenly boil over and explode in the coming weeks…
by DonnieKnutts on Dec 13, 2011 11:29 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, it’s boiling alright, we were discussing whether he would pop he was trying so hard to stay composed.
In the last one he looks like he’s ready to kill someone.
Bruce Boudreau when asked about Brooks Laich's return to the lineup, he said: "He just adds another dimension to our team. If it was puzzle, he just fits that thing. He completes us."
Brooks Laich completing everything from teams to tires and everything in between.
If anything, these are great photos.
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Dec 14, 2011 9:57 AM EST up reply actions
“how long a suspension if I check one of my own guys after the whistle?”
by kingbonehead on Dec 14, 2011 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
Please...
…no more references to Marco Sturm… last night was bad enough.
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Dec 14, 2011 9:56 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t know what to make of Hunter’s utter unflappability in the postgame presser. I’m more used to Boudreau’s red-faced “angry Dad” look after a thumping like this. Hunts kept saying a variation of “one of those games”… I suppose it’s good in a way, for the coach to be so unfazed by a rout—but in another way, I would hope that a loss like this to the East’s top team is a little bit of a cause for concern. There were some lucky bounces, sure, but Philly totally dominated.
Agreed but I’m just as happy to have it discussed behind closed doors. Wounds are being licked even as the skin is gettting flayed—eh!
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by capsyoungguns on Dec 13, 2011 10:52 PM EST up reply actions
He’s been saying all the things in his pressers that would keep them from getting too high when things go well, and tonight we heard all the things that would keep them from getting too low when things went poorly. Since I’m also hearing analysis of specifics they need to change in their play (get pucks out of our own end, separate guys from the pucks more, and so forth), I think he’ll have a message for the team that they can work with. I don’t read the lack of drama as a lack of concern.
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What I find striking is the contrast in Knuble’s comments between tonight and after Game 3 of Round 2 last spring. (Yes, I went back and watched it.) Here, he’s speaking specifically about strategies the Caps need to work on, and seems confident that they can. Last May, he was “flabbergasted” that Tampa Bay just knew they were going to score, and so when the Caps had a lead, Tampa Bay would score, and the Caps would have to dial up another goal.
No, I’m not seeing a body of work that’s given different results, yet. But I think they’re a least changing the script – the players can articulate what they’re doing that’s making it easy for the other team – Halpern can talk about being caught in their own end for 30 seconds at a time, why that is, and what needs to happen to change that. Knuble could talk about where pucks were going, what was happening on the half wall and below the hash marks, where the Flyers were pinching and keeping the cycle going, and so forth. If the players can talk about the other team’s strategies, that gives me a little more optimism that they’ll be able to adapt their game to them when it’s necessary.
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I couldn’t care less what people say in pressers.
The whole thing is just choreographed cookie cutter responses.
The press has to ask the same questions, and the coaches have to give the “right” answers.
It rarely deviates.
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Dec 14, 2011 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe the goaltender problem is...Prior?
I was reminded in the 3rd period thread that he does have a good track record, but it’s hard not to notice that Vokoun, Neuvirth and Holtby have all noticeably regressed under his tutelage. Maybe we took Irbe for granted, given how consistently solid the youngsters were whomever it was between the pipes.
Or maybe its…Kolzig?
But I think the root of all the team’s problems are Brock Myles. Its okay, I’ll wait while you figure out who he is. Because he’s the problem and has to go!!!
There isn’t one single problem that’s holding the team back. But now I’m getting less and less angry because my favorite xmas movie is on AMC so everyone just chill.
Bruce Boudreau when asked about Brooks Laich's return to the lineup, he said: "He just adds another dimension to our team. If it was puzzle, he just fits that thing. He completes us."
Brooks Laich completing everything from teams to tires and everything in between.
#Caps Troy Brouwer on effort vs. #Flyers:
“Tonight was just, uh, I wouldn’t have wanted to pay money to see that hockey game tonight…”
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No kidding, not pretty or fun to watch in person.
Well he’s pretty transparent about the game tonight.
Bruce Boudreau when asked about Brooks Laich's return to the lineup, he said: "He just adds another dimension to our team. If it was puzzle, he just fits that thing. He completes us."
Brooks Laich completing everything from teams to tires and everything in between.
Troy offering up refunds? I’d like one. I even toughed it out for the entire debacle.
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by RedBirdie on Dec 13, 2011 11:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Indeed. It was child abuse to make my son sit through that. He was ready to go after the 2nd.
Knuble: "I am what I am. I play well with good players."
by capsyoungguns on Dec 13, 2011 11:07 PM EST up reply actions
Well, I paid money. Troy, think you might want to refund my $$?
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Dec 14, 2011 9:57 AM EST up reply actions
ES Shots
imo this is becoming a very troubling trend. FNB, Neil, etc can correct, but this team is not putting near enough pressure on net ES. I know it has only been a handful of games…but can someone ask DH about this…please?
Shots have been pretty questionable since DH took over. First couple games were sub 20, and we chalked it up to learning a new system and what the coach wants you to do with the puck. But we haven’t gotten a lot of shots on the PP either outside of Toronto, and ES has been pretty disastrous
Bruce Boudreau when asked about Brooks Laich's return to the lineup, he said: "He just adds another dimension to our team. If it was puzzle, he just fits that thing. He completes us."
Brooks Laich completing everything from teams to tires and everything in between.
Someone: “Coach? … Coach! I know it’s only been a handful of games … but is it becoming a very troubling trend that this team is not putting near enough pressure on net ES?”
Hunter: “The guy’s played hard, there were some deflections, played well in the third. That’s the game of hockey.”
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by Christoph J on Dec 13, 2011 11:42 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
No, you’re right. As far as I know only the very, very best teams—Chicago 09-10, Detroit 07-09, for example—have been able to out-Corsi their opposition while leading. The Caps got out-Corsi’d in this game, even though they trailed big. Yeah, with such a large deficit you see unpredictable score effects (that is, sometimes, a team just gives up when it’s down big), but this team really shouldn’t be out Corsi’d when losing.
Neil tweeted the Caps are 55% scoring chances when down 1 this year, compared to 63% in 10-11.
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by red army line on Dec 14, 2011 2:26 AM EST up reply actions
Lament ES offense all you want (and we certainly should), but we need to realize that it starts in the D-zone. Spend too much time there, you’re never going to be able to do much offensively because you’re going for a line change every time you clear the zone.
/deadhorsebeating
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by RedBirdie on Dec 13, 2011 11:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
But the Cats lost in a shoot out! So the conference isn’t lost yet!
Was pretty funny watching the Devil’s line up vs the Cats. Hrmmmm Kovy vs Theodore then Flash (?) vs Brodeur. Gee I wonder I wonder how that would turn out.
Bruce Boudreau when asked about Brooks Laich's return to the lineup, he said: "He just adds another dimension to our team. If it was puzzle, he just fits that thing. He completes us."
Brooks Laich completing everything from teams to tires and everything in between.
In the draft pick watch, if the season ended today, we would end up with the 6th pick from Colorado and the 10th pick on our own. (We “win” the tie breaker with the Oilers since we have a game in hand.)
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I was there. We were sitting next to Flyers fans, which is annoying. It’s not that they were personally annoying, per se. But it’s more than a bit depressing to sit next to opposition fans in our own arena when we’re losing big.
Our seat neighbors live in Hershey, PA so they sell the vast majority of their tix.
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Okay, not as many fans from the opposition showed up to the game tonight as did in the ’70’s. But the results sure seemed like a flashback to then.
Overall, the highest percentage of fans from opposing teams are generally: Flyers, Pens, Rangers, Sabres, and Red Wings. I think more Flyers fans showed up today than Penguin fans did a week and a half ago.
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Well, I just got home from the game and haven’t really read the postings here tonight, but here goes. The bright side, Semin played well. No penalties and he really was into the game. He got a standing O from the folks at VC for his hard fought effort in the 1st period.
I have said before that I haven’t been impressed with Vokoun, but tonight was the clincher for me. He’s out of position, loses sight of the puck, gets involved in the play waaaayyy outside the crease and makes too many bad decisions. It’s time to give Neuvy a long look. I really believe Neuvy’s issues stem from lack of play and a lack of confidence stemming from losing the starting slot. The rest…I don’t know, but Squeaks lost his man in the 1st which led to the 1st goal. Time will tell.
Well, GM, my husband is with you on Vokoun. He was saying, “Take him out” since the 3rd goal and certainly on the 4th,
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GM has been saying, “take him out” ever since since she hasn’t been impressed with Vokoun.
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by Christoph J on Dec 13, 2011 11:45 PM EST up reply actions
Always does. And Wideman is so honest the list a hat trick. But I still hate seeing them in the ice.
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by RedBirdie on Dec 13, 2011 11:23 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Sorry, major phone fail. That should read “so honest he lost a hat trick.”
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by RedBirdie on Dec 13, 2011 11:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
What is it with you and your fucking haterade with ex-Florida Kitty Kats’ players?
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by Christoph J on Dec 13, 2011 11:47 PM EST up reply actions
Neuvy will be in net for the next game and as long as he doesn’t totally fall apart, he’ll be there for the next one. Vokes will be riding the pine for a couple of games…then we’ll have to wait and see.
Will Hendricks come back for next game — provided he’s healthy? Or even Schultz?
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Isn’t Johnson supposed to be working with Shultz on a more physical game. Right now I think I’d like to see a revamped Shultzie on the ice rather than Hammer. (God, I can’t believe I just said that!)
Was there any information about why Backstrom was not on the bench or ice for the first (almost) 5 minutes of the game? Equipment issue? Something else?
Locker said it was a skate issue… like something came off his skate or something went awry with his blades
by DonnieKnutts on Dec 13, 2011 11:31 PM EST up reply actions
Definitely equipment. After he returned to the bench, there was an icing and he took a couple of loops an turns (and I think did a Triple Salchow) before returning to the bench…
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Dec 14, 2011 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
Depleted teams?
Where is the compete level on this team? Against 3 teams that were “depleted” by injuries with rookies and call ups in the line up in Toronto, Buffalo, and now tonight, the CAPS have been toasted 17-3. Unreal.
The Caps are ugh, depleted too.
Key Injures: Jay Beagle, Mike Green, whether Semin has the flu or not, Hendricks, Poti.
We have our excuses! Nope, nope they don’t. Their down 1 key player boasting a team with talent level easily twice that of the Florida Panthers yet are just floating above .500. Theres a 10 point different between the Caps and Philly. You know what the points difference between the Caps and Last Place Carolina is? 8.
that’s troubling for being now 3/8ths through the season. January is mid season, what will the point spread look like then I wonder.
Bruce Boudreau when asked about Brooks Laich's return to the lineup, he said: "He just adds another dimension to our team. If it was puzzle, he just fits that thing. He completes us."
Brooks Laich completing everything from teams to tires and everything in between.
And in other news....
With the Kings firing Terry Murray, I missed the “Old Caps Head Coach’s Classic” in LA. tpo bad too. I have great seats!!!
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Well, the game ended, there were no trains right away at Gallery Place, and then they were single tracking from Van Ness to Medical Center…. and then I needed to put a pill in one of the cats…and then bed. So you get your recap 12 hours later.
1) Softer than soft goal in the first. It may have been tipped a little, but an NHL goaltender can’t let that one get through. Hell, that’s soft at the CHL level. Not good. Ditto for the last goal Vokoun let in.
2) How many tip drills are the Caps going to allow? The man-to-man defense is tough but part of playing man-to-man is getting in the way of the other guys stick.
3) Forechecking was non-existant for the first 45 minutes of the game… not much effort at all. Despite the fact that Pronger wasn’t back there, Timmonen, Carle and Coburn were… those guys play pretty well and you need to work to get the puck from them.
4) Very nice effort on Jagr and co. by Laich, Chimera and Ward. They didn’t allow many plays or chances, and the goal Hartnell scored was one of the softies, that’s not on them.
5) Speaking of Jagr. Yeah I like the acrostic, but he’s having quite a year… Hartnell is on a pace for 40 goals. For a guy who has hit the 30 goal plateau once in his career (30 on the dot 3 seasons ago) to suddenly be on this pace is a tribute to him. Even then, he can go eat a [Franceschetti]ing porcupine.
6) I guess it should have been an omen that Slapshot fell straight on his beak before the game…
7) And while it’s rare to see this, but the ice crew from whatever high school were the worst I had seen. They forgot to come out one time when they were cleaning the ice…
So now it’s on to Winnipeg for the second time. Hopefully the effort will be better than last time…
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