Friday Caps Clips: Caps @ 'Canes Game Day
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- Previews of tonight's hoedown with the Hurricanes from Vogs, NHL.com, SB Nation DC, Peerless, RMNB, KOL, Caps Basketball, CRtC and RtR, and be sure to check out our SB Nation partner Canes Country for more coverage from the other side of tonight's match-up.
- Notes and assorted whatnot from yesterday's practice:
- In general. [Caps365 video (Kettler Report, Boudreau, Ovechkin, Laich, Beagle)]
- Mike Green skates, briefly, and Troy Brouwer doesn't. [CW (Whyno), CI (Carrera), DCEx (McNally)]
- Both Green and Brouwer will travel with the team, though it's not certain that they will play. [CI (Carrera)]
- Jay Beagle makes an appearance. He plans to skate today for the first time post-injury at KCI while the team is on the road. [CW (Whyno, and again), DCEx (McNally)]
- D.J. King will play the waiting game. [CI (Carrera)]
- The lines looked a little different at practice, with Alexander Semin on 1R and a Eakin-MJ90-MP85 second line. Will that hold in a game situation? We'll know later tonight. [DCEx (McNally)
- Bruce Boudreau did his weekly hit with Chad and LaVar. Guess what he talked about. [106.7 The Fan (audio)]
- Something about this season seems... familiar. [Peerless]
- Of youth and age. [Dump 'N Chase]
- Defense-by-committee appears to be the name of the game as the Caps' blueliners work without Mike Green ... [WashTimes (Whyno)]
- ... but it sure helps to have Dennis Wideman picking up the offense. [WaPo (Carrera)]
- One more look back at Cody Eakin's big-league debut. [CI (El-Bashir)]
- Five minutes with Brooks Laich, and his interesting insight regarding his role with the team. [Golden Goal Sports]
- In which John Carlson, Karl Alzner, Jeff Schultz, and Troy Brouwer help raise awareness and money to end domestic violence by wearing bespoke suits. [Revamp.com, and hey Sarge]
- "Beer me!" #fancystats for the frosty beverage set at the Verizon Center and arenas around the league. [Puck Daddy]
- Happiness is Caps' Young Guns. [Mr. Irrelevant]
- Finally, happy 33rd birthday to Rick Berry.
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If Eakin-Johansson-Perreault are the 3 Bears, who’s Goldilocks?
"A picture is worth a thousand words. For moving pictures we manage to shorten it to one or two."
Who's Goldilocks?
If you've read this far...seek help.
by ThePeerless on Nov 4, 2011 6:57 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
This f***in’ porridge is too f***in’ HOT!
This f***in’ porridge is too f***in’ COLD!!
The f***in’ porridge is just f***in’ RIGHT!!!
If you've read this far...seek help.
by ThePeerless on Nov 4, 2011 7:01 AM EDT up reply actions 11 recs
And it’s never too early for Haagen-Dazs…
Winnipeg? Winnipeg??? Oy! (And now it's official...)
by MikeL-Pivonka on Nov 4, 2011 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Of course I had to read the beer article
Caps avg ticket price
$62.42
$62.42 my ass. Maybe if you’re only considering nosebleeds
And speaking of VC beer, I haven’t been to many games as of late. I think I’ve seen red hook. Anyone got a list of beer brands currently sold there? I’d love to see me some dogfishhead or something above 6%
Someone please tell me where i can get a 24 oz beer for $7.50 at Verizon Center.
He's a better skater than Nick, but he's big in the back[side]...BB
by Backeez Got Back on Nov 4, 2011 7:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Damn, we only have a cold shower time machine
by Brainumbc on Nov 4, 2011 7:36 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
We could always hook a Flux Capacitor up to Chimera and see what happens.
"A picture is worth a thousand words. For moving pictures we manage to shorten it to one or two."
As long as you hit this tap, going 88 miles an hour, at the instant Schultz flattens St.Louis and deftly stickhandles through the neutral zone lightning strikes the clock tower…everything will be fine
....when the truth is if they knew anything about the game, they'd be in it.
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The excellence of this post should not be overlooked.
I am a hockey fan first, and a Caps fan second.
by iwearstripes on Nov 4, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Especially because tomorrow is the 56th anniversary of the invention of the flux capacitor by Dr. Emmett Brown.
J.P.: You might be the king of all geeks here…
by Alz Well That Ends Well on Nov 4, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, it was 56 years ago. Depending on how you count anniversaries, it would be the 55th.
J.P.: You might be the king of all geeks here…
by Alz Well That Ends Well on Nov 4, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I read that and double-taked — if someone knows where VC has 24oz beers for $7.50, tell us.
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double-took
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by Acer Jonesy's Laughker on Nov 4, 2011 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions
if it’s a compound word, wouldn’t it be past-tense rather than a part of it?
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How about “did a double-take”?
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by J.P. on Nov 4, 2011 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
If we’re not into the whole brevity thing, man.
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by sydtron on Nov 4, 2011 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
From BL21 interview:
CC – You were a free agent this past summer. Did you consider leaving the Caps?
BL – There was never a doubt. For negotiation reasons we couldn’t say that last spring.
Sell.
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Don’t let F&B see that quote.
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We can’t just steal all of his electronics…
Once you take the fisting element out, it's not romantic anymore.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Nov 4, 2011 7:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Our only hope is to get him blackout drunk before he gets to his CPU. I put our chances at roughly 40/60.
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Quick, somebody grab a funnel and a bottle of Jameson!
Once you take the fisting element out, it's not romantic anymore.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Nov 4, 2011 7:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Nah, Crown Royal, he’s Canadian.
by BradleyFightingVehicle on Nov 4, 2011 8:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Ah, I was referring to BL21. Awesome reading comp fail on my part. Note to self: read, comprehend, then type. And yeah, Crown Royal is brutal.
by BradleyFightingVehicle on Nov 4, 2011 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions
On some level…it was always going to be.
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by Davethecapsfan on Nov 4, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Sure. But he’s consistently proclaimed that it was irrelevant.
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This…as much as we’d like to believe most guys would want to stay over the money, no doubt you have your agent in your ear telling you all the things you should or shouldn’t do. When you look at what other guys got too, I feel like Brooks could have gotten more had he hit the open market anyways.
Everything ends badly...otherwise it wouldn't end.
by Davethecapsfan on Nov 4, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think anyone is blind to the realities of the situation. And I don’t think anyone even begrudges Laich wanting to get paid – he’s worked his whole life for this, has a short earning-window, etc.
The problem (if there is one) is in the Boy Scout proclamations that the money never mattered, that he hoped someone would let him play hockey and so on. Slightly disingenuous.
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A trap of the ever present microscope in my mind. Reading/hearing quotes like you mentioned never made me thing he was going to sign here for $1 million a year.
Until you actually are out there on the market, you don’t know your worth or how much the team wants to keep you. I don’t think there is a problem, never seems disingenuous to me when you just don’t know what is going to happen. First time for Brooks in that scenario.
Everything ends badly...otherwise it wouldn't end.
by Davethecapsfan on Nov 4, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
No one thought he’d go for $1m. But if it was “never about the money,” I’m sure he could have taken a very fair deal from the Caps that would set him up for life weeks before making them sweat it out at the 11th hour.
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We’ll never know if they were really sweating it out though. We’ll never know if they didn’t have other possible moves they were looking at that delayed signing Brooks. At the time he signed it, I felt like he made his money, but I never felt like it was an unfair deal from the team’s side. After seeing what other guys got paid, and the fact Brooksie has taken to the role he’s been asked to without complain, I think it ended up a very fair deal.
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by Davethecapsfan on Nov 4, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
I think it ended up a very fair deal.
That may or may not be the case, but it’s irrelevant – the Leino and Fleischmann deals, for example, were signed after Laich’s.
I guess since we’ll never know (publicly) what the team offered and when, there’s not much point continuing this discussion, but it’s hard to imagine they didn’t make a fair offer to him long before he signed.
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Agreed on all points. I think it’s hard to imagine Laich’s agent wasn’t in his ear the whole time telling him to test the market and see what his value was (whether or not he wanted to stay with the Caps). In the end, it didn’t get to that point, and that’s good enough for me.
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by Davethecapsfan on Nov 4, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
I have no interest in getting back into the Laich contract debate, but I just want to point out that blaming the agent is crap. They are an “agent.” It’s right there in the word. They do what Laich says. They can tell them what they think the player will make on the market, but the player has to have the stones to call the shots. The agent doesn’t have unilateral power to go for top dollar if Laich says another deal is acceptable.
Please, call me F&B.
by Rob Parker on Nov 4, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Again agreed on all points. In the end…it didn’t get to that point, and that’s good enough for me.
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by Davethecapsfan on Nov 4, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
I liked it a lot less before Leino, Cole and Flash got the same money. If 4.5 if the going rate for a 20 goal scorer, then that’s what it is. Nothing you can do about it. Throw in that Laich is by far the most versatile and best defensive player of that group and it’s hard to complain about the deal.
Please, call me F&B.
But what do subsequent deals have to do with what he said about his own negotiations, etc.?
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Maybe only that we can give GMGM credit for taking that leap at that number and having it look like a semi-bargain when all was said and done.
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by Davethecapsfan on Nov 4, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Right, I’m not talking about his comments, which I’ve thoroughly made my stance clear on. I’m just saying that from a market-value standpoint I don’t think the Caps got as hosed as I did when he signed the deal.
And, yes, they were subsequent deals, but maybe that just means they read the market correctly (or maybe they set the market…).
Please, call me F&B.
why did my response totally not work haha? I just see 2 blank lines with my name in them.
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by Davethecapsfan on Nov 4, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
N/m, refreshed and I see it now. Weird.
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by Davethecapsfan on Nov 4, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
BL21 is practicing for a coaching career when it comes to comments to reporters. If his comments happen to glance off of objective truth from time to time, it is only by chance.
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I initially read that as there was never a doubt that he considered leaving the Caps.
by Murshawursha on Nov 4, 2011 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
For what it is worth, I am in the camp that BL is a bit of a phony. He played the CAPS for every penny he could get. Fair enough. My issue now is PLAY like you are paid. Then I will shut up.
He’s outperforming at least three guys who signed similar deals (Flash, Leino and Cole).
Enough already. We get it. You think Laich sucks and is overpaid. Learn a new tune.
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by J.P. on Nov 4, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Whoa. That went better than I’d expected. Cheers.
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by J.P. on Nov 4, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’m not sure if I’d say he’s outperforming Flash. Granted 11 points vs. 7 doesn’t compare the minutes/competition they are getting. Flash numbers are pretty good right now. But I have no issues with our 3rd line center putting up 7 points in 10 games and a +3 playing against the lines they’re playing against.
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by Davethecapsfan on Nov 4, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Can we agree on outhandsoming?
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Weird how the photo accompanying the Clips identifies both Ovi and NB with their country of origin. One wonders where this photo was printed; some strange land where Corvo is known, Ovi is not, and NHL has to be further linked with hockey.
Terrifically juvenile.
Raleigh.
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by Acer Jonesy's Laughker on Nov 4, 2011 7:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Most Getty pic captions actually do identify the country of birth for Europeans (I personally tend to manually delete them).
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by ThePeerless on Nov 4, 2011 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions 16 recs
actually
I think Shultz and Byrne must have the same tailor
by Brainumbc on Nov 4, 2011 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Watch out…
You might get what you’re after…
Winnipeg? Winnipeg??? Oy! (And now it's official...)
by MikeL-Pivonka on Nov 4, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
In the picture you get when you click the clip — does Carlson look fat?
[ducks]
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by Gould Old Days on Nov 4, 2011 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Mmm… duck fat.
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by J.P. on Nov 4, 2011 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Mmmmmmmm.... Forbidden duck fat
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by JediChewbacca on Nov 4, 2011 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Here's a 'nuther one
Here’s the rest, if anyone wants to sort through them.
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…. he was +2 for the show.
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Nov 4, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Numbers of interest (at least to me)
Going through my data.
All data at 5v5 tied:
Semin has been on the ice for six goals-against, none for. Sv% behind him a lowly .778. Corsi 55.2%.
MJ90 has been on the ice for five goals-against, none for. Sv% behind him even lower .706. Corsi 54.5%.
NB19 62.6% Corsi, on-ice Sv% .958, 10.7% on-ice Sh%
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I should note that Semin has been on the ice for 30 shots on goal, MJ90 24 when at 5v5 tied.
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You may have posted this already, but what is the Caps’ team ES-Tied Corsi Pct?
And the numbers are of interest also to me, fwiw.
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At 5v5 tied (all events, not scoring chances):
Corsi 58.3%
Sv% .873
Sh% 5.9%
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Surprised the goaltending has been that bad at fives. They must be locking it down with a lead, eh?
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As a person who is just diving into advanced stats…this basically saying they’ve been unlucky a little bit?
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by Davethecapsfan on Nov 4, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
If you accept that, in the aggregate, shot quality doesn’t exist, then yes.
Even for those who won’t go that far, it’s still an unlucky stretch – a zero shooting percentage while posting strong possession stats coupled with a lousy save percentage from their own goalie.
Backstrom’s there as a point of comparison (and worth noting on his own) – he’s had a dominant Corsi and converted, while at the same time getting saves behind him. He’s got a PDO there of 1065, which is awfully high.
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Personally I’ve felt like MJ90 has missed out on a ton of assists this year and parts of last year on plays he creates where guys just haven’t finished. I was looking more at the sv % behind them when calling them unlucky. Shot quality/poor D play on their part could affect this obviously…but it just seems extremely low for it to account for all of it.
Everything ends badly...otherwise it wouldn't end.
by Davethecapsfan on Nov 4, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Regarding The Peerless’ post about the similarities, luckily the play doesn’t look the same. They’re not carried by the unsustainable production of the first line … just the unsustainable production of the grinders.
Once you take the fisting element out, it's not romantic anymore.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Nov 4, 2011 8:00 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Iknow it's early in the season, but...
If we traded Semin, what sort of 2nd line winder could we expect in return?
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by JediChewbacca on Nov 4, 2011 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Was almost going to say John H.
But anything is a rental for a team looking to get in, so I’d guess a move from that aspect isn’t practical. There would have to be something to wow GMGM (or Semin would have to sign a multi-year extension) for any decision on Semin’s future past this year to occur.
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The type of team that would want a Semin wouldn’t have a scoring winger to give up. It would either be a “my problem for your problem” situation or other, non-scoring center parts. Say Steckel and a first.
You tried your best and failed miserably. The lesson is "Never Try."
You don’t think there is another Heatley-Havlat situation somewhere in the league?
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by JediChewbacca on Nov 4, 2011 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions
The problem with trading Alex Semin for someone else’s Martin Havlat or Dany Heatley is that then you have Havlat or Heatley on your team.
Semin’s contract is 1 year. If the team’s going to get rid of him, I sure hope they don’t take a problem contract in return.
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by Gould Old Days on Nov 4, 2011 8:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Well then Mojo’s wingers need to step up their games
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by JediChewbacca on Nov 4, 2011 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions
I know Heatly’s had his fair share of issues, but is Havlat really that bad a guy? Other than his spat with Chicago a few years back I don’t think I’ve heard anything negative about the guy.
by Murshawursha on Nov 4, 2011 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions
he got into it with Minnesota over ice time, iirc.
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He’s not that great a player and he’s overpaid for a long time.
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by Gould Old Days on Nov 4, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Don’t you mean “when we trade Semin”? Was hoping GMGM could have flipped him and his salary for a pair of more consistent players.
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I would rather have a consistent 25 goal player than Semin
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by JediChewbacca on Nov 4, 2011 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
What is consistency, how much does he cost and what else does he bring to the table, or take off of it?
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by Knee high to a duck on Nov 4, 2011 10:30 AM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions
I guess we just haven’t seen Dominant Sasha yet this season. The one that forechecks like a demon and scores by shooting for less then puck sized holes in the Goalie
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by JediChewbacca on Nov 4, 2011 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
But in seriousness, what players or combination of players do you think McPhee can get for Semin, and what do they bring to the table? Serious question, what are you valuing in our hypothetical players?
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by Knee high to a duck on Nov 4, 2011 10:36 AM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions
A 20-25 goal scorer who can penalty kill and hit
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by JediChewbacca on Nov 4, 2011 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Semin can PK. So you’d give up ~10-20 goals for someone who can hit? Hmm…
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I guess it’s more about swapping intangibles. It’s too early in the season to write off Sasha’s season, but he has seemed like the odd-man out in a lot of games this season. Have Semin and Mojo combined on a goal yet?
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by JediChewbacca on Nov 4, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Semin assisted on MoJo’s goal against the Wings. But yeah, certainly you’d want more than one goal in ten games on which your top-two second-line skill guys got points.
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just remembered the goal in the Detroit game, nice setup by sasha and finish by Mojo
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by JediChewbacca on Nov 4, 2011 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
I feel like no one misses out on assists more from guys not finishing chances he creates than Mojo sometimes.
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by Davethecapsfan on Nov 4, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Further, say you put a power forward type on a line with MJ90 and Eakin…are other two guys going to support a strong cycle game in the O zone? Even if you put Knuble up there, the parts are mismatched.
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What would compliment mojo’s game? I think that is the biggest factor in considering a trade.
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by JediChewbacca on Nov 4, 2011 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think they signed Semin to a 1-year deal with the intention of flipping him. Maybe if things go completely pear-shaped and the Caps are in 12th place at the deadline, then they might blow it up and trade him. But barring that, the idea behind signing Semin was to compete for a Cup this year.
Also, see Neil’s numbers elsewhere in the thread. 28 and 90 have been more than holding their own at evens when the score is tied, but the save pct has been bad and the goals just haven’t been going in.
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And Semin is leading the team in PIMs and has 2 goals through 10 games. I know his streaky but I would hate to see the talent this team has be wasted because of a streaky superstar
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by JediChewbacca on Nov 4, 2011 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think they signed Semin to a 1-year deal with the intention of flipping him.
I agree wholeheartedly, but as much fun as it is seeing him shaving paint off the inside of the iron, I hope he’ll be causing consternation for some other team’s fans next year.
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Looks like Matt Bradley had to answer for a clean hit last night (and got his ass kicked): http://www.hockeyfights.com/fights/106396
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I’d love it if they would start suspending players for attacking a guy for making a clean hit. Such horseshit.
I’m the type that likes organic, frustration/in-game-hatred driven fights, but I’m starting to wonder if outright banning fights (fight→gamer + suspension) if it will mean and end to this shit.
Clean, hard, spectacular hitting is way more important to this game than fighting.
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This wasn’t a third player coming in to avenge a teammate. This was Mayers taking things into his own hands after he took a hit from Bradley. I’m ambivalent about this. On the one hand, Mayers didn’t rely on someone coming to his aid. On the other hand, c’mon, Jamal…if you were fit enough after taking the hit to duke it out, how bad was the hit?
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I didn’t catch that it was the same guy (no sound at work), but my point still stands. Moreover, I don’t want “am I willing to fight this guy?” to be part of the decision making process for a good, clean, hard hit. That is total crap.
If Mayers was so upset about the it, take his number, and get him cleanly later in the game. Or you know, take it to the score board. But then again, Mayers has roughly as many fights as points in the last 4-5 seasons, so that is rather unlikely…
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This is why I’m reluctant to support a fighting ban. I feel like the “take his number and get him cleanly later” philosophy will lead to some unclean retaliation later in the game (probably a total dead horse, but I think it’s a reasonable concern) I’d rather the guys fight, but the refusal to apply the instigator rule is maddening.
Part of me wonders if the instigator rule doesn’t contribute to fighting after clean hits. Because of that rule, a guy who’s considering defending a teammate has to make a snap decision at the time of the hit whether or not to go after the hitter. If there’s no instigator, he can sit down, think about it, maybe ask the guy who got cleaned out, and then go after the hitter in a later shift.
by Murshawursha on Nov 4, 2011 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
I think there’s a fair case there. I’m not sure it’s specifically the instigator per se, but the way the league cracks down on “premeditated” attacks definitely plays a role, I think.
Then again, what was the last premeditated attack that got punished?
Please, call me F&B.
What was the last attack that we can define as premeditated?
(not snark)
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I suppose that depends on your definition of premeditation. If you’re talking Bertuzzi-Moore, then… Bertuzzi-Moore. If you’re talking a guy skating over to straighten out a guy who just hit a teammate, it happens all the time.
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I’m talking about retaliation for a prior incident in a different game. Did anything happen with Cooke and the Bruins in the second game? I know Richards fought (twice) his next game against FLA. What about the whole Pens/Isles madness?
Please, call me F&B.
I think Thornton took on Cooke in the second game in an underwhelming scrap, can’t recall if Pens/Isles had a second act to speak of.
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by Bald Pollack on Nov 4, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I don’t think it’s anything, I just got a kick out of an enraged and bloodied Bertuzzi threatening Setoguchi.
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by Killer_Carlson on Nov 4, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
You’ve all seen my thoughts in the Eulogy post. I think the cause is the NHL cracking down on retaliation long after the play, so if you’re going to retaliate, these days you better do it right away.
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by Gould Old Days on Nov 4, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Right. Such concern about Rule 48 and Shanspensions taking hitting out of the game, when IMO having to answer for clean hits can have more of an impact.
I would like to see instigator rule applied to a player who goes after someone for a non-penalized hit regardless of whether the player who made the hit was a willing participant in the fight or not.
Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...
by dcsportsfan1 on Nov 4, 2011 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Mayers probably cleans Bradley’s clock 100 times out of 100.
In fairness, the puck was not in Mayers’ possession at the time of the hit (although it had been just a nanosecond earlier).
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I eyeballed that a couple times…Mayers definitely advanced the puck out of the zone, not sure what he was so pissed about other than getting decked in front of his mates.
Cross check and all call.
so a clean hit results in being punched in the side of the head from behind? This is type of sh*t that needs to be removed. Fights for clean hits are a damn joke and hurt the image of the NHL with casual fans and I’m not aware of any hardcore fans who approve of this crap either.
Mayers’ behavior was an embarrassment, punching the guy from the side/behind while he’s completely unsuspecting.
I’ve seen guys get jumped in a parking lot be more of a fair fight then that
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by JediChewbacca on Nov 4, 2011 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Sorry if this has been addressed already, but what happened to the “What We’re Reading” sidebar?
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Google decided to make its Google Reader unshareable.
Don’t be evil, Google. Give JP his Reader back.
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Yeah, that’s basically it – Google dropped a new version of Reader that forced all of its sharing to be done within their Google+ platform (which isn’t embeddable as a widget, like what we had).
My guess is that someone(s) will come up with a reasonable work-around and that we’ll have it back up at some point. Stay tuned.
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But…but…but… it’s BETTER! It has to be, everything new in IT is better.
If you've read this far...seek help.
I’m sure it’s better for a lot of folks. Just not me. Or us.
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who cares about those other folks? It’s not better for us and we’re the most important people on the interwebz!
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How ‘bout you clue us in to what you’re subscribed to?
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by iwearstripes on Nov 4, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Caps blogs, Google alerts and some other stuff – it’s not rocket science, mostly the sources that you see in our Clips regularly.
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I figured: Puck Daddy, DGB, and the usual Caps blogs.
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by iwearstripes on Nov 4, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Have you thought about setting up a tumblr feed? You can post to it with a bookmarklet, just like you used to be able to in reader, and it has rss support so you might just be able to plug the feed in.
That’s my circle of friends’ solution anyway.
(Sorry ’bout the OT)
It’s not the posting-to that’s the problem so much as the embedding – what’s great about the “WWR” sidebar is it keeps people on the site or coming back to the site throughout the day. Sending them somewhere else doesn’t do anything for me.
And I suppose I could set up a widget to just run an RSS from that tumblr feed, but that would end up being more work and far less elegant (and timely, ultimately).
Thanks for the suggestion, though.
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it keeps people on the site or coming back to the site throughout the day. Sending them somewhere else doesn’t do anything for me.
You can’t have us venturing out into the world and ruining your tireless Pro-Schultz Anti-Seminite brainwashing efforts. I for one welcome our new overlord. I’d like to remind him that as a college professor I can be useful in rounding up more young minds to get in the kool-aid line.
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by Killer_Carlson on Nov 4, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Open a DFH 90 minute and listen to the preachings of the benevolent leader.
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by Doncosmic on Nov 4, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
any mention of DFH = automatic rec
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by _Skullduggery_ on Nov 4, 2011 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
It is, it’s impossible not to be when you owner gets a TV show. That said 60 and 90 are still some of the most consistently good IPA’s in the country, and some of the crazy shit they do is wonderful, some of the crazy shit is also terrible, or at least is stuff I don’t like, but over all they do good work. In reality the reason I mentioned DFH 90 is because it is the beer I have heard JP mention the most often. /OT
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I know, DFH isn’t bad, but no matter where you are there are better local craft brews.
I personally don’t really like the 60 IPA. I like my IPA to have bite, I’m a west coast IPA guy.
Please, call me F&B.
Fair enough, I’m also a big fan of DFH because I really like the stuff at the brewpub which they don’t bottle. Have you had 6 points Bengali Tiger, it’s a citrusy IPA made up in Brooklyn, it’s hipster beer, but tasty.
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Sorry for OT, but too pertinent: also keep an eye out for Brooklyn Brewery’s IPA called Blast. I think it’s tap only, and it’s not going to hop you to death, but it is absolutely delicious.
I tried that this summer, I’ve only ever seen it in the Brooklyn Brewery tasting room. It was a very interesting flavor, but I really liked it. They were somehow able to get a strong hop flavor without the hop bitterness. No idea how they pulled that off.
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by Killer_Carlson on Nov 4, 2011 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ve only seen it once – at the Rock Shop on 4th Avenue in Brooklyn (where I drank like six pints of it). But I think it’s out there in the wild in other places where they have BB beers on tap, not just in BK.
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such an in-depth ad well thought out article
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by JediChewbacca on Nov 4, 2011 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Excuse me, but how does one cuss “out” another person under his breath? Isn’t that an oxymoron?
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had the same reaction. To me, cuss out means something very different than what happened. but, hey, I’m not trying to get page hits.
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Woot, just got 2 seats on the glass for tomorrow night’s Islanders game! For those watching at home, keep an eye out for a couple Caps fans next to the Islanders side of the penalty box.
Assuming he doesn’t reinjure himself in the process.
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by Bald Pollack on Nov 4, 2011 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Kaleta
Sorry is this was discussed earlier – is anyone upset that Kaleta only got 4 games? 4 sounds like a lot but when you consider he’s been caught headbutting on 2 other occasions, I would have liked to see Shanny throw the book at him. Jeez…
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Four games is a bunch, it’s almost 5% of the season (meaning 5% of Kaleta’s salary). And that Shanny pulled out clips from past incidents, leads me to believe if Kaleta does it again, he’ll be getting double digits….
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Nov 4, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Along that same vein, of those prior incidents, Kaleta was (to my knowledge) only gigged for one of them, so seems like a message to Kaleta that “you know that we know, so cut it out, etc.”
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by Bald Pollack on Nov 4, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
I’d like to have seen him get double that, but I’m not objective when it comes to Kaleta.
Please, call me F&B.
I think a lifetime ban is appropriate.
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by Killer_Carlson on Nov 4, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m with you. I think Kaleta is comfortably in Cooke territory where you have to severely punish him for intentional illegal conduct. Everything about what he did was premeditated and he’s done it multiple times in the past. Maybe 4 games is enough, but 8 would have made the point even clearer. And hey, it’s not like they historically care about precedent…
I’d have given him 8 to 10 minimum,. In Shanny’s video, he cited three other incidents in which Kaleta did basically the same thing. If that doesn’t shout, “Repeat offender who needs to book thrown at him,” I don’t know what does. Kaleta’s a scumbag and he desrved way more than he got.
by Murshawursha on Nov 4, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
the problem is was he officially punished for those other times. Cleaning up the inconsistencies of the prior regime is Shanahan’s biggest stumbling block in my opinion.
Frankly, I don’t care if he was officially punished. They happened, there was video evidence they happened, and that should be enough. Pretty sure the only two people who would complain if Kaleta took an extended vacation are him and his agent.
I understand what you’re saying, but I think it should be Shanny’s prerogative as “the new guy” to consider Kaleta’s history, regardless of whether or not Campbell suspended. And I think he missed a really great chance to send a message here.
I agree that he is simultaneously handcuffed by precedent and charged with changing the outlook players have for these hits. They weren’t ambiguous “partial head/shoulder contact where the victim changed position” kind of hits — three instances of head-butting should definitely be enough for Shanny to come down harsh and say “This may be inconsistent with the previous [aka shitty] way this stuff was handled, but that’s why I’m here and this is the way it will be handled moving forward.”
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by Alz Well That Ends Well on Nov 4, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
So, then: Is Briere’s “controversial” SO goal last night going to change the way players approach the gimmick? Saw it live and thought, this HAS to be called back. But it wasn’t…
I thought it was crap. I recognize that lots of attempts violate the letter of the law – players pull pucks back on dekes all the time (and I know that when they’re moving forward, pulling it back doesn’t necessarily mean the puck actually reverses direction), but I thought this violated the letter and the spirit of the rule.
The good thing is that since it didn’t impact the result of the game, the League has a golden opportunity to clarify it, even admit a mistake if they made one. I’m not holding my breath.
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Agreed on all counts. Shameful job by the TOR replay crew. That’s fucking horse shit. Why not just let guys do a wraparound at this point. I honestly had no idea that the shootout could become more of a joke.
Please, call me F&B.
My problem with it isn’t seeing it happen in shootouts, because shootouts are a joke. My problem with it is that it sets a precedent for what’s allowable in a penalty shot situation (since the same rules apply in both situations).
Let’s say that goal is scored on a penalty shot with 8 minutes remaining in a tied Game 7 of the conference finals. Do we really want a series decided by that goal?
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by iwearstripes on Nov 4, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That’s a bigger concern, but given how infrequent penalty shots are I think it’s less likely to happen. I, in general, just don’t like making a mockery of rules.
Please, call me F&B.
I figure it’s bound to happen eventually. As much as I think the shootout is dumb, a shootout loss cost the Rangers a trip to the playoffs 2 seasons ago. Given that a shootout attempt can potentially make or break a season, shouldn’t the rules have some credibility?
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by iwearstripes on Nov 4, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
a shootout loss cost the Rangers a trip to the playoffs 2 seasons ago
This has been a popular refrain among the anti-shootout crowd, but it’s not exactly true. Had there been no shootout at all and the teams awarded a tie, the Rangers still wouldn’t have made the playoffs because they have fewer wins than the Flyers. If you want to look at how the results of all the shootouts in the season affected the playoffs then fine, but the Rags didn’t get hosed by the shootout in the last game of the season.
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by Killer_Carlson on Nov 4, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
At the same time, teams can only play to the rules in place – no shootout sets up different incentives and strategies all season long.
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Yeah, I wasn’t going to get into that in my comment about that one game, but that’s my issue when people do look at the standings without shootouts and say “so and so team would have made the playoffs!”.
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by Killer_Carlson on Nov 4, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Totally. “Here’s how the standings would look with a 3-2-1 scoring system!” Uh, no. That’s not how they’d look.
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Eh, I blame the Leafs for not winning in regulation, giving the Habs the one stinkin’ point they needed to make the playoffs.
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you can easily pick any number of games during the season to say “if only the Habs hadn’t gotten that one stinking point!” Personally, I’m kinda fond of picking on that February game where the refs disallowed an Ovechkin goal and the Habs ended up winning in OT. Goal allowed, Ovie wins Richard. Goal allowed, Caps win. Goal allowed, Habs are sitting at home in April. Goal allowed, Caps play Rangers and we all know what that means.
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by RedBirdie on Nov 4, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
I’m not saying they got hosed by the shootout. I’m just saying if you’re going to attach a point to winning the shootout, the rules need to be respected.
In addition to respecting the rules in the context of the shootout, they also need to consider that allowing a move in the shootout has implications in a penalty shot too, since both plays are governed by the same rules.
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by iwearstripes on Nov 4, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I completely agree about respecting the rules of the shootout, and last night’s call was total horseshit.
The whole “Rangers missed the playoffs because of the shootout” refrain is just a pet peeve of mine. No, they missed the playoffs because they weren’t a good team. Sorta like when Buffalo saying the Cup was stolen from them in 1999. It wasn’t stolen from you, you just lost earlier than you maybe should have.
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by Killer_Carlson on Nov 4, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Indeed. The Rangers missed the playoffs because after 82 games, they finished 9th (or 10th, I don’t remember how the tiebreakers all played out).
Kind of makes me harken back to something one of my coaches told us after we lost a game on a PP goal resulting from a bad call. “You have to win despite the refs. The refs didn’t cost us the game, we didn’t play well enough to win despite the refs.”
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by iwearstripes on Nov 4, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
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Sorta like when Buffalo saying the Cup was stolen from them in 1999. It wasn’t stolen from you, you just lost earlier than you maybe should have.
But then we wouldn’t find this funny…
You tried your best and failed miserably. The lesson is "Never Try."
Yes. Which is why I said lots of attempts do violate the letter of the law, but are still kosher with the spirit/intent (and note that a player moving at high speed can slow the puck down considerably – but not to zero – and give the illusion that the puck is moving backwards).
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Your last point is why I think the fact that Briere was also stopping short (evidenced by the snow shower) makes this such BS. There’s no illusory “moving backward” because Briere isn’t really moving forward.
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Which is where I disagree with this from Wysh:
In the NHL’s defense, perhaps they judge this like they judge a spin-o-rama move, which is legal under Rule 24.2:To me, that implicitly says that a move that doesn’t involve continuous motion isn’t permitted. This would seem to be an example of one such impermissible move.
The spin-o-rama type move where the player completes a 360° turn as he approaches the goal, shall be permitted as this involves continuous motion.
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But seeing as Briere was continuing to breathe during that move, he was in continuous motion, so it’s legit. You also need to consider heart beats and blood pulsing through his circulatory system.
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by Rob Parker on Nov 4, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Very true. And, in fairness, even if the puck had appeared to have stopped, the earth was still rotating on its axis and orbiting the sun, so the puck was still moving…
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Ha, great minds….
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by Killer_Carlson on Nov 4, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Down this line, Steckel never hit Crosby because the molecules never touched!
/absurdity
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by _Skullduggery_ on Nov 4, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
But in that case, the net was moved too. Should have been a stoppage.
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by Alz Well That Ends Well on Nov 4, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
With the rotation of the Earth Briere and the puck were clearly both in continuous motion.
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by Killer_Carlson on Nov 4, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
One of the things I considered, and the NHL may have as well, is whether the shooter actually came to a complete stop. I only watched it once, and it sure looked like he did to me, but I’m not positive. Going from 80 MPH to 1 MPH is, close enough to a stop to get you out of a traffic ticket, but it isn’t really stopping.
If the NHL watched the video, and concluded he only slowed down “albeit dramatically” I could see them awarding the goal. But I dunno that this was part of their logic.
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by iwearstripes on Nov 4, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe they were applying your circulatory system logic. Looked like he stopped to me :shrug
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by iwearstripes on Nov 4, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed that this is the crucial point. Briere not only pulled the puck back, but he stopped dead to do it. Sicne the spin-o-rama exception specifically states it involves a continuous motion, it shouldn’t apply to Briere’s goal.
by Murshawursha on Nov 4, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree. And in a spin-o-rama, doesn’t the player still have to be generally moving towards the goal-line? Briere didn’t do that here – his forward momentum completely stopped. To me, that’s why this one shouldn’t count. I’m surprised that is not the rule – having trouble imagining a good goal where the player does not maintain some degree of forward momentum. I know DeBoer agrees after reading his lips.
Of course, this attempt also violated the “puck can’t stop” rule, though clearly that rule can’t mean what it says given the physics of generally accepted stickhandling.
Question on some moves is whether it actually reverses direction or is just slowed enough that the players momentum makes it appear to reverse direction.
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by Davethecapsfan on Nov 4, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
N/m, JP said it way better than I did.
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by Davethecapsfan on Nov 4, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
There was another part of that play that I think the league should address. As I saw it, Briere’s embellished stop was intended to blind the goaltender with snow. I think the league can solve this problem as much by requiring the player to exhibit continuous movement toward the goal as the puck. For all but the most imaginative and skillful moves a shooter can think up, where he goes, the puck goes. If he’s moving forward continuously, so will the puck.
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It surprised me that there seems to be no rule about forward motion of the player, because I could have sworn it was required. For example, when a player loses control of the puck, if the puck continues to move forward, he can turn around on a dime and get it?
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In the famous Kovalchuk shootout attempt, he completely loses the puck and isn’t allowed to retrieve it. He’s skating down and moving the puck…then he (I’m guessing) moves it a little too hard and can’t catch it in time, so he keeps going forward, but the puck goes sideways. But, the puck goes sideways and back so maybe the puck’s trajectory away from the goal is why that was a failed attempt.
He stopped. BS goal. The end. I don’t know what ISN"T a goal if this is one. BTW, that spin-o-rams junk that someone, I think it was MSL did last year seemd almost as bad. Almost but not even near.
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Some goalie with a mean streak is going to cross check MSL when he tries that turn-his-back move.
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Some goalie with a mean streakHoltby is going to cross check MSLwhenif he tries that turn-his-back move.
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Some goalie with a mean streak Holtby is going to cross check MSL whenif he tries that turn-his-back move.
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he’s already taken at least one whack at MSL. “GET OUT OF MY CREASE!” MSL learned the hard way you better respect Holtby’s crease.
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DGB/Grantland
Down Goes Brown writer is contributing to the NHL there now.
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And automatically becomes a funnier writer on that staff than Simmons.
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by Bald Pollack on Nov 4, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Jesus, try writing a more badly worded sentence stupid.
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by Bald Pollack on Nov 4, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
I was only two Billy Zabka references away…
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by Bald Pollack on Nov 4, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Would now be a good time to mention that Bryzgalov in one-month into a nine-year deal that pays him $51 million? Or that he’s making $10 million this year alone? The last time hockey fans saw something that ugly and front-loaded in Philadelphia, it was falling into a penalty box with Tie Domi.
Love it. That Domi incident is probably my all time favorite (non-Caps) moment in Flyers history.
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by Killer_Carlson on Nov 4, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Are we going to see Cam Ward tonight?
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Neuvy tonight (because apparently how Vokoun played in three games a year ago for a different team is somehow relevant today).
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Not “(because they were going to split the games anyway so why not give Vokoun one more day of rest)”?
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Nope. Apparently Bruce said it’s b/c Vokoun has been bad against CAR (which could only mean last year, since in prior years he wasn’t).
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I’m ok with Vokoun getting an extra night of rest regardless of whatever rationale BB uses. I don’t want him playing 60+ games this year and he was on pace for much more than that.
Agreed. 100%. I’d have started Neuvy tonight. I’d have just explained myself differently. Something to the tune of, “Michal needs the work and he’s played well against these guys, so why not?”
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I’m OK with Vokoun getting a night of rest and not playing both games of the back-to-back, but I’d prefer to see Vokoun against the divisional opponent, rather than against the non-divisional opponent (who, for what it’s worth, can’t buy a goal these days).
Tortorella: Can I get another question? I went in here in a pretty good mood today, too.
Larry Brooks: So did I.
Tortorella: Well, you obviously f***ed that up, didn't you?
Unlike Luongo, Vokoun doesn’t need his tires pumped. If Bruce is going to call out players, he can call out his #1 goalie too, whether we agree with the reasoning or not.
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Because he and his agent didn’t bitch about being disrespected when Vokes wasn’t giving the opening night start?
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Bruce just gave his reason for not starting Vokoun against the ‘Canes point blank:
"Quite frankly I know Tomas didn’t have good success against them last year."He could have commented how since the Detroit game he’s given up 9 goals on 51 shots (.824SV%), that maybe his age has crept up on him and he’s overworked. To me, that would have been more disrespectful than just giving his reason for picking one player over an other.
I hope Allan Walsh’s comments about the opener were just those of an agent letting his new client know he has his back. Hate to think we’ve got a diva goalie that can’t take a negative comment about the body of his work from his coach.
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I just think it’s the wrong reason. I’d like to hope that the coach is making decisions based on things that matter – such as workload/rest, recent play, relevant past performance – and not shit that doesn’t, such as a three-game sample from last season that came for a different (and shitty) team.
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Given that no one in this organization necessarily says what actually goes into their decisions to the media, and any one of us, early in the week, knew it was likely Neuvy would be the goalie to start against Carolina for any number of reasons, I don’t quite get why this is sticking in your craw so hard.
Because it’s believable.
And it’s not sticking so hard – I just raised it and then elaborated a bit.
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Because it’s believable that the reason Bruce gave is the reason why? I guess, but I tend to think he had little interest in running down all the various reasons and picked that one to use as his go-to with the media.
Seeing this discussion go on here and at twitter may have magnified its apparent importance out of proportion to your actual level of concern. My apologies for misconstruing the degree to which this was obstructing your craw. ;)
Heh. I think that’s it exactly.
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Ah, c’mon JP admit it: You’re in luv with Vokoun.
Jimmy said he saw you staring dreamy eyes at him in homeroom last week. : )
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Actually, with Walsh’s coment, it’s obvious the classy goalie has a diva agent.
Winnipeg? Winnipeg??? Oy! (And now it's official...)
by MikeL-Pivonka on Nov 4, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Uh huh. As if Walsh acted totally independently there.
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I could see Walsh doing something like that … most other agents, no, but Walsh is a troublemaker.
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Nov 4, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I think people need to understand the concept of agency a little better.
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by J.P. on Nov 4, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
We have a college Prof in the crowd…perhaps a little chalk talk on the fundamental principles of the agent-principal relationship would liven up the afternoon?
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The college prof isn’t where you start that lesson. One of the bagillion lawyers could probably teach that lesson better.
Please, call me F&B.
Right, there are no principal-agent relationships in politics, only in the law.
Release the Mackan!
by Killer_Carlson on Nov 4, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
If you had it your way you’d be a lawyer, doctor, goalie, power forward, and handsome. You are at most 2 of those things.
Please, call me F&B.
No wonder you went to law school, your counting is extremely poor.
And if I wanted to be a lawyer I’d be one.
Release the Mackan!
by Killer_Carlson on Nov 4, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
If you wanted to be a lawyer, the lawyers on this board would be forced to talk you out of it.
We’re very persuasive, us lawyers.
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by Gould Old Days on Nov 4, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Fortunately I was wise enough to talk myself out of it back when I was making decisions about grad school.
Release the Mackan!
by Killer_Carlson on Nov 4, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ve no particular lawyerific aspirations myself, but my girlfriend is dead-set on it… Why do you all hate your jobs so much? :P
Because the work is lousy and there’s not enough of it these days.
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Unless you’re doing IP work. From what I hear, there’s a ton of demand for that.
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by Alz Well That Ends Well on Nov 4, 2011 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions
And if I wanted to be a lawyer I’d be unemployed with a J.D.
Is more like it.
Please, call me F&B.
by Rob Parker on Nov 4, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
another team headed to bankruptcy? Oy.
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The cast of Jersey shore should combine their ridiculous incomes and keep the Devils afloat
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by JediChewbacca on Nov 4, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Pauly D would be pissed if his “hard earned” cash went to any team other than his budy Ovie8
Everything ends badly...otherwise it wouldn't end.
by Davethecapsfan on Nov 4, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
And I guess none of them are actually from Jersey, they just vacation there
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by JediChewbacca on Nov 4, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
The fact that the cast of Jersey Shore has an income that can be described as ridiculous seriously disturbs me. Why America cares so much about the stupid shit they do is beyond me.
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But if you’re lazy….
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