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Rec’ing the heck out of these Clips, Em. Unreal aggregation of the Ovechkin/Boudreau stuff.

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by J.P. on Nov 3, 2011 6:43 AM EDT reply actions  

“Whew!” is right!

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by ThePeerless on Nov 3, 2011 6:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just tweeted how awesome this was. Well played Emily. Sesame Street 4eva.

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by NGreenberg on Nov 3, 2011 7:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wow the Huffington Post, is that a first time?

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by BetterOffWith28 on Nov 3, 2011 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nah, we’ve had ’em before.

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by J.P. on Nov 3, 2011 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

I keep thinking there’s got to be an acrostic message in there somewhere, but I can’t figure it out…

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by fat_daddyo on Nov 3, 2011 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

kudos to Emily. That’s a monster list.

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by RedBirdie on Nov 3, 2011 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Unfortunate that so much was made of it, but outstanding job chronicling this momentary diversion.

by NateEwell on Nov 3, 2011 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Regardless of hardware, Alex Ovechkin is still this League’s MVP. He’s the media’s MVP too. Pro Hockey Talk is the official blog of The Official Media Partner™ of the NHL, and they went back to the well four times over this event. Suckered me into linking them about three times, too.

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by EmilyB on Nov 3, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bravo on the Sue Grafton impression, Em.

Once you take the fisting element out, it's not romantic anymore.

by Steckel Me Elmo on Nov 3, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hmmm… Bruce would say it’s missing “H is for Haagen-Dazs”

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by MikeL-Pivonka on Nov 3, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Enjoying the alphabetization of the Clips. Kudo’s to Emily (even if no X, Y, or Z)

Rocking the Red for teams on the banks of the Potomac and at the Gateway Arch and Singing the Blues about Hockey.

by CapsFan75 on Nov 3, 2011 7:04 AM EDT reply actions  

“Z” could have been for “zzzzzzzzzzzzzz” for all that work

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by ThePeerless on Nov 3, 2011 7:36 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Huh. I thought F stood for something else.

(Super job, Em. Tremendous Clips.)

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by boutros23 on Nov 3, 2011 7:07 AM EDT reply actions  

Speaking of Brooks Laich, he and Semin appeared at Kent Garden Elementary School in McLean, VA, with video available at Caps 365 on the Caps Official Website.

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by CapsFan75 on Nov 3, 2011 7:10 AM EDT reply actions  

It was a ringer school. Caps Care tweeted that there were some kids at Kent Gardens asking him questions – in Russian.

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by bagace on Nov 3, 2011 7:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ew.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 3, 2011 8:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Or in Russian

гадость

Winnipeg? Winnipeg??? Oy! (And now it's official...)

by MikeL-Pivonka on Nov 3, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey Cheryl!

You perhaps knew me better as "Your Nation's Capital." Same great commentary, now with 100% more transparency!

by EmilyB on Nov 3, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Some pics here with very high ADORBS/60 ratings.

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by J.P. on Nov 3, 2011 8:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wait, did Emily just steal your login?

Don’t try to figure Sasha out. Just ride the wave.

by gfcaps fan on Nov 3, 2011 8:19 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I’m still learning #fancyfancystats. Bear with me.

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by J.P. on Nov 3, 2011 8:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

it’s #cutestats

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by RedBirdie on Nov 3, 2011 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Another one of those fancy stats that makes this blog filled with elitists…

Go Flyerzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

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by MikeL-Pivonka on Nov 3, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

WTF is Air Slapshot? That was pretty disturbing…

by kingbonehead on Nov 3, 2011 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

My sister’s friend is a teacher there and said it was awesome…she also sent me a picture of herself with Brooks Laich, because she’s mean.

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by Becca H on Nov 3, 2011 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

At this point it’s becoming clear that the reaction to Ovechkin being benched is basically the media version of Nintendo 64 Kid. Except while they do all of the screaming, the Caps got the win.

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by Dimagus on Nov 3, 2011 7:15 AM EDT reply actions  

As ridiculous and overblown as this is, from a PR standpoint for the NHL and the team it’s been great. Seems like “The Benching” has garnered more press from the mainstream media the past two days than the NBA, whose season was suppose to have begun this week.

"You can want to get to April but when you get to April you may not like the answers you get, so you might as well enjoy the ride while it's going on." - Brian McNally on JRR, 8/29/2011

by bagace on Nov 3, 2011 7:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

I hadn’t thought of it from a PR standpoint. Yesterday I was irritated by the knee-jerk analysis of “Ovi be disrespecting his coach” from too many in the media, but now I’m curious about media memes down the road. Will the media fall back on the tried and true or adjust them with the new theme of accountability and other examples of tough love from the coach.

by capsyoungguns on Nov 3, 2011 7:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

now I’m curious about media memes down the road.

98% chance there’s an “Ovechkin really took that benching to heart and has turned his game around, regardless of what the stats say” article within two weeks.

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by J.P. on Nov 3, 2011 7:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Followed by “Bruce Boudreau is the early front runner for the Jack Adams”

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by bagace on Nov 3, 2011 7:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Burnside already had him there. Two weeks in. Really.

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by J.P. on Nov 3, 2011 7:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Didn’t he post a whole column about early candidates? After like 4 or 5 games?

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 3, 2011 8:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Aye

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by J.P. on Nov 3, 2011 8:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

He’s the best.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 3, 2011 8:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

how did I miss that journalistic masterpiece?

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by RedBirdie on Nov 3, 2011 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

“BRUCE BOUDREAU IS A GENIUS!”

by billkimble79 on Nov 3, 2011 8:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Meme 1- Turning Point
“If the Caps win the Cup you can look back at 11/1 as a turning point in their season.”

Meme 2 – Maturity
“The way Ovi handled his benching show the type of maturity that it takes to be a leader in this league”

Meme 3- Hot Seat Bruce
“Boudreau knows he’s on the hot seat and can’t afford to baby his young stars any longer”

Meme 4 – Yzerman
“It took Stevie Y to change his game before the Wings became winners. Ovi needs to take the same approach and play a more well rounded game.”

Meme 5 – Crosby
Because you can’t talk Ovi without talking about how Crosby would handle the same situation.

Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...

by dcsportsfan1 on Nov 3, 2011 7:49 AM EDT up reply actions   3 recs

Crosby would never be benched.

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by ThePeerless on Nov 3, 2011 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

In part because he’s an excellent faceoff man and you’d want him out there for that.

If AO was a 55% draw guy, he’s harder to sit out for that final shift.

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by J.P. on Nov 3, 2011 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Let’s hope his means for getting better at not getting concussed includes avoiding high traffic areas, not playing the puck and wearing huge Kazoo-like helmet that makes his head so heavy he skates slower than Schultz.

Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...

by dcsportsfan1 on Nov 3, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

First time he scores two in a Versus game this year, I can guarantee you that Jonesy and Milbury trot it out.

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by fat_daddyo on Nov 3, 2011 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

The alternative is that Bruce should be fired because it didn’t work. Yawn.

by NateEwell on Nov 3, 2011 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

On the matter of benching, a little perspective…

Pat Riley benched Magic Johnson in Game 3 of the Western Conference semis against Utah in 1988. Johnson was having a lousy game and was pulled in the second quarter with only four points. Riley’s logic? “He looked slow out there.” Johnson returned in the third quarter, but the Lakers still lost the game.

They did win the championship, though.

Even the big guys ride the pine for a while, and in bigger games than a weeknight in the first month of the season. And sometimes, it works out in the end.

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by ThePeerless on Nov 3, 2011 7:31 AM EDT reply actions  

I immediately thought of Reggie Jackson and Billy Martin coming to near dukes in the dugout. And they won together. A lot.

by billkimble79 on Nov 3, 2011 8:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Then Reggie went on to try to kill the Queen of England, but luckily O.J. helped to prevent that from happening.

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by J.P. on Nov 3, 2011 8:21 AM EDT up reply actions   3 recs

Yes. No thanks to Frank Drebin of course…

by billkimble79 on Nov 3, 2011 8:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

I thought it was Enrico Palatzo?

I’m just in it for the Schadenfreude. -D'ohboy

by Alz in the family on Nov 3, 2011 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

I thought that was Enrico Palazzo…

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by ThePeerless on Nov 3, 2011 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Reggie/Billy was different though. Billy pulled him off the field in the middle of an inning. And those two had a pretty healthy distaste for each other already.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 3, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Still waiting to hear how they’re different…

by billkimble79 on Nov 3, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

So we need to explain baseball to you?

Also, “hose two had a pretty healthy distaste for each other already.” Any evidence that that’s the case with Alex and Bruce?

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by J.P. on Nov 3, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

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Exactly.

Read “The Bronx is Burning” to learn more.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 3, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow, ok you guys got me, its not literally the exact same thing! You mean Boudreau doesn’t hate Jews and Blacks and make wild drunken comments about crazy shit? LOL.

I’m just saying that that stuff is a part of sports, you see it all the time. As for an already existing “healthy distaste”…I guess I’m making an assumption (and, yes, I know what they say about assumptions) that the “fat fuck” thing didn’t just come to Ovi at that very moment and doubt greatly that he’d never thought it, or said it, before.

by billkimble79 on Nov 3, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cool. Baseless, rampant speculation. Awesome.

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by J.P. on Nov 3, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Wait, I thought I was on the Japers’ Rink forum? Did I accidentally stumble on to a more reputable format than an internet forum that is chock full of speculation, most of which is baseless and a lot of which is silly? Sorry, I’ll check my sources next time I post a scholarly essay on this forum. How do you source an opinion, btw? Haha.

A quote for you to consider:

.bq Theory is that they know they’re losing one or both of the D’s, so they lock up Rinne.

COUGHspeculationCOUGH

by billkimble79 on Nov 3, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

inb4smakedown

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by fat_daddyo on Nov 3, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I need my Breaking Bad pizza GIF.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 3, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

seems appropriate

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by RedBirdie on Nov 3, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

You’re walking a thin line, my (new) friend. I’d recommend hanging around a bit to see how things work around here before putting your feet up on the furniture.

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by J.P. on Nov 3, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I for one am put off by your aggressive, want to fight reaction to posters disagreeing with your original point. Henceforth I will “z” right past your posts since you clearly have nothing of substance to add to the conversation.

by capsyoungguns on Nov 3, 2011 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Boss has addressed it, let’s all move on.

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"I worry that we're reaching that point where college-age kids don't know what goatse is anymore."

by Bald Pollack on Nov 3, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions   3 recs

In general, you never want to try to sign Vezina candidates…unless you think you’re going to be losing one or both of your top D pairing. Or something.

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by Davethecapsfan on Nov 3, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

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We don’t even know for certain he said “fat fuck”.

With Martin at the helm, the Yankees went 30-26 in their final 56 games of the 1975 season; he then managed them to the World Series in 1976 (their first pennant since 1964) and 1977, winning in 1977. He feuded publicly with both Yankee owner George Steinbrenner and star outfielder Reggie Jackson. In one especially infamous incident, on June 18, 1977, in the middle game of what would prove to be a three-game series sweep by the Boston Red Sox at Fenway Park, Martin pulled Jackson off the field (replacing him with Paul Blair) in mid-inning for failing to hustle and catch a shallow outfield fly ball by Jim Rice, allowing Rice to reach second base. The extremely angry and highly animated Martin had to be restrained by his coaches from getting into a fight with Jackson in the dugout during the nationally-televised Saturday afternoon game.

After a 1978 incident with Reggie Jackson in which Martin suspended Jackson for bunting (against orders) into a strikeout, Martin was forced to resign after telling reporters, “They deserve each other. One’s a born liar [Jackson], and the other’s convicted [Steinbrenner].” (Martin was referring to Steinbrenner’s conviction for making illegal donations to Richard Nixon’s 1972 election campaign – a suspension that resulted in Steinbrenner being suspended from baseball for 15 months). A few days later, Martin resigned (reportedly under pressure from Steinbrenner)

Does any of that sound REMOTELY similar to what happened with Ovi and Bruce?

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 3, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here’s the thing:

This is the best possible outcome.

If Bruce had played Ovi at the end of the game, we’d all be griping about accountability. If Bruce didn’t play Ovi, and Ovi sat down on the bench without a second thought, we’d all be horrified by his lack of fire/passion/ego/whatever. So what happened is exactly what we all should want to have happened. Really.

Man, he better be pissed when he’s not out there.

This is a huge net positive all around.

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by bilspacecadet on Nov 3, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Agreed with all that, and to add on — what Bruce did worked. He played the guys that were playing the best and, lo and behold, they scored the big goal. As pissed as Ovie was, and I’m glad he was pissed, he saw that it paid off for the team. So how much can he really complain? And he has admitted as much, and he has not complained.

Now he sees that if he wants to be the one putting in that goal, he better damn well earn it. Because this team has other people who will.

by BradleyFightingVehicle on Nov 3, 2011 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions   4 recs

One difference between the Billy/Reggie incident and the recent Ovi benching — in baseball, once a player is removed from a game, he’s gone for good. That is not the case in hockey. And in this particular game, Ovi ended up on the ice again — during the Overtime period. And on the ice when the winning goal was scored.

It would be a much different matter if Ovi had been benched for the entire OT period.

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by CapsFan75 on Nov 3, 2011 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I used to see Reggie mouth something that looked like “Skinny Fuck” as Billy walked by…

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by NJNJ on Nov 3, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Though he could have been talking jive. He could talk some jive like you never heard.

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by Bald Pollack on Nov 3, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pardon me, stewardess…

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by fat_daddyo on Nov 3, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

No truth to the rumor that Billy referred to him as “Coltrane”.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 3, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also, Billy Martin was a batshit crazy drunk. I don’t think Bruce is either of those things.

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by fat_daddyo on Nov 3, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

And a terrible racist and anti-semite.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 3, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn’t know that, but would lump it into the batshit craziness.

/end OT

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by fat_daddyo on Nov 3, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually, from all accounts it sounds as though he was a very accomplished racist and anti-semite.

Unleash the Apathy.

by D'ohboy on Nov 3, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Unless you can get fluthered on Haagen Dazs Rum Raisin ice cream

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by ThePeerless on Nov 3, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

And… unlike hockey or basketball, once you’re taken out of a baseball game, you can’t go back in.

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by MikeL-Pivonka on Nov 3, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

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by ThePeerless on Nov 3, 2011 7:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Don’t make me bust out the garey busey :)

by Brainumbc on Nov 3, 2011 7:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Amazing. Chong Li was dirtier than Matt Cooke in that match, but it didn’t stop Dux from winning the Kumite. I think we all learned a lesson about trusting your instincts and perseverence on that day.

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by J.P. on Nov 3, 2011 7:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Coincidentally, MP was doing his best Chong Li impersonation for the celebration on the bench

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by Dimagus on Nov 3, 2011 7:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Chong Li was jacked. Jesus.

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by J.P. on Nov 3, 2011 7:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

For those of us that weren’t teen aged boys in the 80’s, could someone tell us the movie you all are referring to so we can look this up?

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by bagace on Nov 3, 2011 7:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bloodsport (1988)

"A picture is worth a thousand words. For moving pictures we manage to shorten it to one or two."

by Dimagus on Nov 3, 2011 7:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Today should be “post animated gifs of Jean Claude in OTOT” day

by Brainumbc on Nov 3, 2011 8:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Which was almost indecipherable from Kickboxer (1989)

/OT

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by J.P. on Nov 3, 2011 8:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

From my eyes, they all were.

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by bagace on Nov 3, 2011 8:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

In “the world is nigh” info, for anyone who thought Alex Semin would have three times as many PIMs as Cooke does right now, I’d like to meet them so they could have told me what the Powerball numbers for last night were.

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"I worry that we're reaching that point where college-age kids don't know what goatse is anymore."

by Bald Pollack on Nov 3, 2011 7:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Kinda brings it back to hockey, as Semin and a younger Van Damme look somewhat alike.

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by J.P. on Nov 3, 2011 8:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Van Damme did suit up for the Penguins, albeit briefly.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 3, 2011 8:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Indeed.

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by J.P. on Nov 3, 2011 8:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

I demand a Sudden Dealth 2. With the penguins and caps

And Biden in Ted’s box.

And the Occupy WallStreeters as the terrorists.

by Brainumbc on Nov 3, 2011 8:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

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You can’t do it without Civic Arena, which is hors de combat.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 3, 2011 8:08 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

“currently under demolition”

Jees. Pittsburg can’t even take out an Arena right. Blow the sucker up like they did to the Caps Center (sorry I will never call it the US Air Arena), film it, and use the footage i the sequel:: Sudden Death 2: The terrorists win

by Brainumbc on Nov 3, 2011 8:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

They can’t just blow it up. Have to take it apart piece by piece due to asbestos and other concerns. It’s also in the middle of an entire neighborhood with lots of other buildings around.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 3, 2011 8:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ehh. It’s Pittsburgh. It’ll be an improvement one way or another

by Brainumbc on Nov 3, 2011 8:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

It’s a nice city with friendly people. Don’t think I’d ever live there, but after visiting it frequently, I can’t disparage it at all.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 3, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed have had a great time @ every away game there since my first (the Winter Classic). People have been chill, welcoming, and fun. Even in the snow storm last year, with the city @ a crawl cabbies weren’t passing up people in Caps Jerseys.

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by Boggles on Nov 3, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

And even then Semin is only ranked #95 in PIM’s.

Wow. You’re almost out of the top 100 when trying to find the most penalized Caps

by Brainumbc on Nov 3, 2011 8:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Was “Bloodsport” the movie with the tournament that featured the guy who fought like a monkey?

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 3, 2011 8:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

No

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by Brainumbc on Nov 3, 2011 8:06 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yes. And thank you for bringing up such a painful memory. While your at it, why don’t you give me a nice paper cut and pour lemon juice on it. We’re Closed!! I mean ot.

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by Boggles on Nov 3, 2011 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Turns out your friend here is only mostly benched.

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by redlineblue on Nov 3, 2011 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not your wife. I’m your coach. But after what you just said I’m not even sure I want to be that anymore!

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by Boggles on Nov 3, 2011 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hamrlik, Hamrlik, Hamrlik, Hamrlik, Hamrlik, Hamrlik!

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by skyywise on Nov 3, 2011 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions   4 recs

The Princess Bride will always get a Rec.

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by MikeL-Pivonka on Nov 3, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dreger said that the Caps were among the teams interested in Turris. Buy or sell? I think he’d cost too much (pick and prospect), and 90 is looking good enough to make it unnecessary.

by Ginga on Nov 3, 2011 8:03 AM EDT via iPhone app reply actions  

90 needs to start winning some draws.

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by J.P. on Nov 3, 2011 8:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Which person on the Caps payroll is supposed to coach players for faceoffs? is that BB’s job? I’ve always wondered who’s responsible for this.

by Brainumbc on Nov 3, 2011 8:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Evason usually handles this (if memory serves).

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by Bald Pollack on Nov 3, 2011 8:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

They should figure out some way to bring in Yanic Perreault as a consultant or something. That guy was awesome.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 3, 2011 8:09 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yup. Dean-o.

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by J.P. on Nov 3, 2011 8:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

00

Best and worst faceoff takers since 1997

Rank Player GP FO W L WPCT
1 Yanic Perreault 701 7803 4752 3051 60.9
2 Mike Zigomanis 189 1360 809 551 59.5
3 David Steckel 224 1917 1137 780 59.3
4 Scott Nichol 485 3620 2146 1474 59.3
5 Rod Brind’Amour 860 12314 7289 5025 59.2
6 Joe Nieuwendyk 562 7791 4596 3195 59.0
7 Mark Janssens 198 1769 1043 726 59.0
8 Jason Krog 202 1437 839 598 58.4
9 Tim Taylor 607 5635 3270 2365 58.0
10 Kris Draper 875 7873 4560 3313 57.9

Trent Whitfield is ranked 20th

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 3, 2011 8:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

3 David Steckel 224 1917 1137 780 59.3

Easy to win faceoffs when you don’t have to go up against Crosby. OHHHH!!!!!

(shuts his mouth and runs away)

by Brainumbc on Nov 3, 2011 8:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yanic was probably the best faceoff guy the NHL has ever seen.

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by MikeL-Pivonka on Nov 3, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Check this out for some background: http://www.japersrink.com/2009/2/9/752544/monday-roundup-on-nicklas

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by J.P. on Nov 3, 2011 8:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

It will be interesting to see Sjogren up here. Unfortunately, they don’t track FO’s in the AHL, but he was a beast on the dot at Development Camp (and yes, I know it was against teens).

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by bagace on Nov 3, 2011 8:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

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Know who else was a beast against teens? This guy:

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by J.P. on Nov 3, 2011 8:29 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Really surprised that a beast against teens didn’t play home games at the old Maple Leaf Gardens.

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by Bald Pollack on Nov 3, 2011 8:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ouch.

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by J.P. on Nov 3, 2011 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not that Turris would fix that.

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by Rob Parker on Nov 3, 2011 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

No, didn’t mean to imply he would – was responding to “90 is looking good enough.”

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by J.P. on Nov 3, 2011 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just clarifying. (FTR, Turris was 50% on his 540 draws last year. I’ve got no use for him.)

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by Rob Parker on Nov 3, 2011 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Everybody not named “Jeff” needs to start winning draws. It’s getting embarrassing.

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by ThePeerless on Nov 3, 2011 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions   3 recs

getting?

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by Boggles on Nov 3, 2011 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

I always suspected Schultz was a secret faceoff master.

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by Bman21212 on Nov 3, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Turris is a too much of an unknown. Last year, it would have seemed more attractive, but for now, I think the team moves forward with who they have.

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by skyywise on Nov 3, 2011 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Where does he even fit in the lineup? Who gets forced off the roster this early in the season? I don’t see it, but I could buy GMGM making a call just to inquire about the price.

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by Rob Parker on Nov 3, 2011 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

The most natural trade would seem to be Johansson-plus for Turris. Turris is most likely an upgrade, but he will come at a cost, both in additional trade bait and in loss of cap space once he signs a new deal. I don’t think these costs are worth it.

by Ginga on Nov 3, 2011 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think that’s really a natural trade. I also don’t think Turris is much of an upgrade. Drafted two years before Johansson (although just over a year older), already had North American experience when he went pro, and he still produced less than Johnansson, already is into his second contract, and is acting like a diva about it. Even on the ice, I’ll take Johnasson. I haven’t watched much of Turris, but he’s never seemed to be the sum of his parts and has had less depth chart competition in PHX. I’d be extremely disappointed if it was a MoJo for Turris swap, straight up, much less MoJo+.

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by Rob Parker on Nov 3, 2011 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

I meant natural in the sense that they both fit the same slot (2C). Agreed about him not being enough of an upgrade to make a trade worth it.

by Ginga on Nov 3, 2011 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Perrault-plus for Turris I’d give more consideration. We’ve yet to determine if MattyP is going to regress to what he has been in previous years or if he’s crossed a threshold in his playing ability / conditioning.

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by skyywise on Nov 3, 2011 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

It’s a more reasonable deal, to be sure, but it does little to solve the problem of where Turris would fit into the lineup and/or how we afford him.

I don’t think it works unless we ship some salary back out. Brooksie maybe?

All hypothetically here of course. Don’t think any kind of move would help the caps enough to be worth it.

by Murshawursha on Nov 3, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Why would they ship out Brooks right now? I complained just about as much as anyone when he signed his deal, but he’s been just what the doctor ordered on the third line. I could live with another true-C to play that third line, but Laich has been good this year. I don’t think the team needs to (or would even consider) move Laich to open salary for a dude that has topped out at 25 points and is in a contract dispute without ever proving a thing in the NHL.

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by Rob Parker on Nov 3, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not at all advocating that it’s a good idea, I’m just saying that in order for Turris to fit, some salary would have to be shipped out in return, and in that context he seems a reasonable option.

but no, I completely agree that Laich has been good, which is why I concluded that I didn’t think any such move would help the Caps.

by Murshawursha on Nov 3, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

And this entire discussion is why I think it’s absolutely not a realistic proposal. Need to open a roster spot and money and there just doesn’t seem to be any player that GMGM would ship out that helps the team much and accomplishes both goals.

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by Rob Parker on Nov 3, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed on all counts.

by Murshawursha on Nov 3, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

And Turris would replace…whom? He was a cap hit of $2.67M last season…he wants more. How do you make him fit, even if there is someone you’d want to see replaced on the roster?

Not seeing how you pay a guy who has a total of 27 points in 137 NHL games $3.0+M a year, even if he is a third-overall draft pick

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by ThePeerless on Nov 3, 2011 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Plus I’m not loving this whole holdout situation. Know your place in the League and don’t pout if you’re not where you want to be right now, kid – shows a stunning lack of maturity, in my opinion (and/or lack of good guidance from the “adults” around him).

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by Becca H on Nov 3, 2011 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Semyon Varlamov redux? No thanks.

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by EmilyB on Nov 3, 2011 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, I am willing to go out on a limb here. As one of the biggest critics of the Laich contract (and despite having a LOT of egg on my face lately watching his play recently), I find a one-for-one trade sort of intriguing. Yes, Turris has not produced a lot and, yes, he does seem to be a bit of a b-hole. However, having watched Eakin and being totally enthusiastic about MarJo at 2C, I think we might have some flexibility in the future at our center spot(s). Can Turris play wing? If not, it looks like Eakin and Kuze can. All of that being possible, it seems to me that Brooks’ contract next year or, certainly, in 2 years might be blocking some of the younger guys, especially if – and when – Brooks’ productivity starts to regress….I still have a lot of room on my face for more egg….have at me.

by Wilderthing on Nov 3, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

No way I trade Laich for Turris. Turris is acting like a petulant child and has not lived up to his draft position (granted, he is still young and in a rough market, but others have succeeded there). Laich, meanwhile, is part of a dominant third line that is one of the biggest improvements for our team this year. Unless we get back a center who can do that (not necessarily at the level/salary of Laich, but enough to contribute).

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by Alz Well That Ends Well on Nov 3, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

True. But, my argument is essentially the ‘plus’ side of your assumptions. Also, I think it was Greenberg who suggested that the numbers of the 3rd line aren’t as impressive as the on-ice excitement they are providing. Plus, Brooks seems to have regressed already in terms of the PK and FO, as noted in a lot of places. But, basically, I am really thinking about this trade not in terms of this year but, say, the next two years when the amount of the contract, its length and his regression to the mean will probably be coalescing. .

by Wilderthing on Nov 3, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Check the Clips discussion yesterday regarding the success of the third line.

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by Rob Parker on Nov 3, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I followed the original thread. You guys had an excellent and informative discussion. Wow. To repeat my basic – albeit minority – point is that, yes, the 3rd line and Brooks are getting it done now most impressively. And, clearly, it is a good thing for this year’s team. However, it is not a young line, nor does it have the promise for long-term offensive productivity (and yes, I know that is not its purpose). But, I would personally like to have a little more flexibility in the future with that 3rd line with some of the younger guys in the pipeline. In short, I try to construct my comments in terms of the future because I realize that the guys are kicking some butt now and I look like an idiot for even raising some of my concerns.

by Wilderthing on Nov 3, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the majority point seemed to be that the third line is getting it done. Maybe I mis-read though.

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by Rob Parker on Nov 3, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

If the Caps make it to the Conference Finals, I’d be utterly amazed if the 3rd line doesn’t have more points than the 1st line. They’re the make it or break it for this team.

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by sydtron on Nov 3, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d be utterly amazed if they do. We need both lines to produce close to the best of their capabilities, and if that’s the case, the 1st line would have many more points.

by wickedwitch on Nov 3, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

And don’t forget the 2nd line. I personally have a lot of hope for those guys as MarJo gets older and he starts synching with Sasha.

by Wilderthing on Nov 3, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

We don’t even need them to produce to the best of their capabilities. Just producing not below capabilities and some timely scoring. If the third line outscores the top line, we’re in some serious, serious trouble, most likely (unless you mean ES only).

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by red army line on Nov 3, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, it definitely did suggest that. Pardon me if I suggested otherwise. I was just pointing out what a jack-ass I must me, then, since I am in a definite minority at this point from that majority viewpoint.

by Wilderthing on Nov 3, 2011 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would personally like to have a little more flexibility in the future with that 3rd line with some of the younger guys in the pipeline.

To the extent money’s a concern, I think Brooks’s contract is the new normal, or at least it will be once the TV deal revenues kick in and the Winnipeg-instead-of-Atlanta windfall is realized.

Straight-up youth is a different issue, but the Caps don’t have much in the pipeline because they’re all on the team. This is still a very young squad.

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by Gould Old Days on Nov 3, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

But your argument is “Brooks won’t be able to keep up his awesome work” vs. “Turris, who has never displayed awesome work, and is going to be looking for $3MM+, is magically going to get better”.

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by Alz Well That Ends Well on Nov 3, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, not at all necessarily. But, Turris’ should be cheaper in the long run with, I project, numbers that should approach Brooks at his historic best….

by Wilderthing on Nov 3, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do you have your yearly projections for Brooks & Turris through 2016-17? That plus an estimate of Turris’ salary after this year would help us compare their respective worth.

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by Alz Well That Ends Well on Nov 3, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, I am pretty much an amateur here if it is not already too obvious. Sorry.

by Wilderthing on Nov 3, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m just asking because your last comment indicated you might have done some calculations on that. Otherwise it seems a little arbitrary to take the position that Turris is the better option.

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by Alz Well That Ends Well on Nov 3, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

You are totally correct to assert arbitrariness since I have only Laich’s numbers: 6 × 4 contract. My arbitrary thinking was that at, say, 3M (or less, at this point) for 2 years would certainly be less than Brooks at that point, plus we wouldn’t necessarily be saddled with the last couple years of a too-fat contract. By then, we would be able to see if Eakin, Kuze, MarJo will be cutting it.

by Wilderthing on Nov 3, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

But my point is that you can’t just sub [Forward] at $3MM for [Forward] at $6MM and expect the same performance. Especially when they have two completely different styles, and one fits the role that the team needs right now and the other doesn’t (may but hasn’t demonstrated it whatsoever).

You said above that “Turris’ should be cheaper in the long run with, I project, numbers that should approach Brooks at his historic best….” He might cost less money over the next 4 – 6 years, but I haven’t seen anything to indicate he will be a 40 – 60 P player OR a shutdown/grinder 3C.

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by Alz Well That Ends Well on Nov 3, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

All correct statements. I am simply ‘guessing’ that at Brooks’ age, there will be a natural ‘regression’ and I am ‘betting’ on that. And, to repeat, Brooks’ offensive numbers went down last year and even this year, his PK and FO numbers are down…so what is wrong to assume that those trends MIGHT continue? However, it is also correct to just assume that Turris’ numbers might trend up.

by Wilderthing on Nov 3, 2011 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

oops…I meant, NOT correct in last sentence

by Wilderthing on Nov 3, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sort of arbitrary comparable list here. Turris’ H-R page is here. I used modern era, first and second seasons, ages 18-21, 0.45 > points/gm > 0.3, GP > 50, total TOI < 900.

Here’s the search extended to TOI < 1200. Some ugly names in there but plenty of good ones. He’s been able to play well in soft and sheltered minutes, not unlike MP.

I dunno, if MP were like he is now, but two years younger and bigger, what hopes would you have for him?

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by red army line on Nov 3, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice post. Thank you.

by Wilderthing on Nov 3, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great work RAL. His ceiling is definitely higher than actual numbers to do would indicate to people. He shouldn’t have played in NHL in ’08-09. He was rushed and I think that certainly hurt his development and may have begun sowing the seeds for the current impasse.

Last year’s playoff performance showed what could be. The question is what team is willing to part with significant assets to see if he lives up to his potential.

Higher hopes. By bigger I assume you mean taller. Turris was still skinny at the end of last season. I’m wondering if he gained any weight this past summer.

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by Carl Putnam on Nov 3, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not 100% sure Turris is all about the money here, he might be willing to give a “dear-god-get-me-out-of-this-franchise” discount.

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by skyywise on Nov 3, 2011 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

He’s not. He wants out. My guess is whoever trades for him will be able to get him under contract at a decent number. That being said you still don’t know what you are getting. I get why the Flames or Sens would take a risk on Turris. I see no reason why the Caps would.

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by Carl Putnam on Nov 3, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why wouldn’t he have made that clear on July 1? Letting it look like a contract dispute for so long doesn’t help his position.

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by Rob Parker on Nov 3, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

No one here has any clue what he and his agent were thinking. Hard to know what exactly went down between team and them, but I find it hard to believe that GMDM wouldn’t have attempted to deal Turris over the summer had he requested a trade after the season ended. The Coyotes are stuck because they likely can’t get enough for his potential value because he hasn’t produced enough yet combined with everyone now knowing he won’t sign with PHX.

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by Carl Putnam on Nov 3, 2011 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, so just hold onto him for now and wait. GMDM has all the leverage, no need to cave. I’d love to see this go past Dec. 1.

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by Rob Parker on Nov 3, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d love to see this go past Dec. 1.

Not surprisingly a fair number of Coyotes fans feel the same way.

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by Carl Putnam on Nov 3, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

When green is healthy, who will be the first defensemen scratched?

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by JediChewbacca on Nov 3, 2011 8:42 AM EDT reply actions  

STOP!

Hamr time.

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by J.P. on Nov 3, 2011 8:42 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Can’t scratch this!

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by ThePeerless on Nov 3, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

The realist in me says that we will have another injury before then. With any luck it’ll be STOP!

Hamr time.

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by Dimagus on Nov 3, 2011 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Speaking of accountability, did Hamr ever take the conditioning test? I know when everyone else took it in training camp, he was excused and the team said he would take it later.

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by bagace on Nov 3, 2011 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

I miss Scott Hannon

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by JediChewbacca on Nov 3, 2011 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

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by skyywise on Nov 3, 2011 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Do you think GMGM offered him the same $7 million they gave Hamr Time?

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by JediChewbacca on Nov 3, 2011 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not at all. But I was wary from the start at the cost for Hamr given his age, despite his playing well for so long. Then again, I felt this way about Knuble at the start of last season, and he turned out to have plenty in the tank for the second half.

Nevertheless, if there had been an offer on the table to Hannon (I don’t recall there being any offer reported) around 2-yr for $4M total, I imagine he would have taken it for the chance to win a Cup. He’s a bargain at $1.5M for Calgary.

The additional intangible value of how much Hannon versus Hamr would be able to teach to the younger D-corps – that’s a question only coaches and other professionals would know.

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by skyywise on Nov 3, 2011 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think, to be fair, the jury’s still out a bit on Hamrlik. He’s certainly looked like crap thus far, but ten games in I don’t think anyone was ready to sign Hannan to an extension either (and that was ten games in when Hannan was the only new piece that needed to be integrated – here there are several).

Hamrlik is a better puck-mover than Hannan, unquestionably, and that’s something that has hamstrung the Caps a bit in the recent past.

Being wary of Hamrlik is fine, but I wouldn’t render final judgment quite yet, and I don’t know that I’d go as far as to say Scott Hannan was a better option for this team right now.

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by J.P. on Nov 3, 2011 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed. And Hamrlik was starting to look better (I thought), developing a rhythm with Green , and then Green goes out and Hamr has to start fresh with Wides. I’m willing to give Hamr more time to adjust – it’s not like every new player will fit-in automatically, Joel Ward being an example to the contrary.

(I like how both JediChewbacca and I misspell Hannon – in my case it’s b/c I have a friend with that name, who is actually a Sharks fan, plays D in adult hockey, and grew up adoring Hannan).

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by skyywise on Nov 3, 2011 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agree… plus Hamrlik right now is probably the best shot blocker the Caps have on the back line.

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by MikeL-Pivonka on Nov 3, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

The additional intangible value of how much Hannan versus Hamr would be able to teach to the younger D-corps – that’s a question only coaches and other professionals would know.

After being with the team for five months, you have to figure that the team was aware of how much value Hannan provided with this intangible (as well as other factors), and to that point they decided it wasn’t worth it.

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by bagace on Nov 3, 2011 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

I doubt GMGM offered Hannon Erskine money (he has 1.5 x2 left) And I doubt Hannon would have taken it initially, he waited for a while before he went to Calgary for $1.5, kinda like Vokoun waited before he went to us.

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by Bman21212 on Nov 3, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hell no. If he had, Hannan would be here, likely with an ear-to-ear grin plastered on his face.

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by J.P. on Nov 3, 2011 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

In Hannan’s first ten games as a Cap he was 0-0-0, minus-9 and was on the ice for total 14 goals against.

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by ThePeerless on Nov 3, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

On the one hand, he did not have a training camp and Hamrlik did. On the other hand, the rest of the club was not integrating several new pieces then, and they are now.

The whole issue is moot for the time being, though, what with 52 being out and all.

When Green comes back, which is going to be at least another couple of games I would reckon, if Hamrlik is still going badly, probably time to scratch him.

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by fat_daddyo on Nov 3, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

You could also argue that the change from COL’s system to the Caps’ system was less drastic than the change from MON’s to the Caps’, though there’s a lot more to that comparison (came in while the Caps were changing their own system, moving toward a more trappy team).

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by Rob Parker on Nov 3, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

With the exception of maybe a couple of games (Philly and Edmonton? Can’t remember…) there hasn’t been a whiff of a trap that I can identify. The other guys have had plenty of room to generate speed through neutral, which has to be a problem for Hamrlik.

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by fat_daddyo on Nov 3, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think they needed to trap in EDM. The Caps owned the puck at ES.

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by Rob Parker on Nov 3, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Correct. EDM just didn’t – for the most part – come flying through neutral when they had the puck. Mainly because they didn’t really have the puck that much at evens.

Maybe D’oh will break down some film and educate me on how they’re playing the neutral zone this year. I haven’t paid close enough attention to really know. Probably should start looking at that going forward though.

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by fat_daddyo on Nov 3, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

You trolling me now?

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by Rob Parker on Nov 3, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wait, what?

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by fat_daddyo on Nov 3, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just busting your balls. D’oh gets all the love…

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by Rob Parker on Nov 3, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, right. Heh. You know I love your work too…

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by fat_daddyo on Nov 3, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dear Diary,

I sit next to the cutest boy in school in math class and it’s like I don’t even exist.

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by Killer_Carlson on Nov 3, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Systems might be similar, but I would not underestimate the effect changes in partners have. It probably affected Hannan, and it might be affecting Hamrlik. Just with Green out of the lineup, and with the scrambling of pairs that resulted, the Caps’ defensemen had a devil of a time in the first half of the Anaheim game just getting their simplest of passes straight to get the puck out of the defensive zone. I don’t think that was a product of a withering Duck forecheck.

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by ThePeerless on Nov 3, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

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by Rob Parker on Nov 3, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

While you can’t argue those numbers, a disclaimer about that being last year’s team slump would be nice. Nothing was going right for the Caps at that point.

by TheBored on Nov 3, 2011 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

You’re welcome, everyone.

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by EmilyB on Nov 3, 2011 9:13 AM EDT reply actions  

nice big spread on the front page of the Post sports section today

you know the Redskins season is in the shitter when…..it’s Thursday and the Caps get prime page real estate

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by RedBirdie on Nov 3, 2011 9:33 AM EDT reply actions   3 recs

rec’d for real news subordinating a worthless Redskins piece

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by bigonetimer on Nov 3, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

I just love how Ovie’s lurking back there, trying to see over Bruce’s shoulder, so clearly not getting that he’s not going out on the ice. “Lemme see, Bruce, lemme see!”

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by RedBirdie on Nov 3, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Cringing at the MD Athletics piece. /sigh

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 3, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Andrew Gordon? Still adorable. From the RMNB interview:

It wasn’t like one day the coaches called me into the office and said ‘congratulations.’ Just no one told me I wasn’t on the team. It was a no news is good news kind of thing.

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by RedBirdie on Nov 3, 2011 9:39 AM EDT reply actions  

I imagine he took some good natured ribbing on Tuesday from his teammates regarding the adoring fans and the press attention.

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by RAGthaman on Nov 3, 2011 10:09 AM EDT reply actions  

I kind of like the idea of an 8-19-42 top line.

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by KNUUUUUUUUUUBLE on Nov 3, 2011 10:31 AM EDT reply actions  

McNally:

Make of these what you will: Ovechkin-Backstrom-Semin. Eakin-Johansson-Perreault. Chimera-Laich-Ward-King. Hendricks-Halpern-Knuble.
That’s, uh, not a very physical second line.

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by J.P. on Nov 3, 2011 10:33 AM EDT reply actions  

Physical? No. Able to dart between the legs of any defender over 5’11"? Abso-friggin-lutely.

…I make very little of those lines, though. Didn’t BB split up that third line in practice the other day? No way he’s reuniting the Care Bears. I hope. Please oh please.

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Yea, carrying a Russian Winger is a Czeck's job

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by Bman21212 on Nov 3, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions   3 recs

Jeff Dunham instroduces a new character to his ventriolquist act… “Sasha, The Caring Hockey Player.”

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by ThePeerless on Nov 3, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

What are his other options for 1R? Knuble (who looks like he’s in the doghouse) and maybe Ward (which splits up Project Mayhem, currently the golden children)? Perreault?

In general I agree that there’s not much to read into the line combos today, though.

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by fat_daddyo on Nov 3, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Normally I’d say that putting Semin on the top line kills the scoring depth, but he hasn’t been providing much of that lately anyway. Maybe it jump-starts Semin. I’d go with Knuble on the top line again, but maybe that’s just me.

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by Rob Parker on Nov 3, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with putting Knuble back on the top line. Clearly those three have had chemistry in the past. I’m not sure exactly why Knuble is in the coach’s doghouse. He’s historically a slow starter; is that just not acceptable this year?

by cainoo7x on Nov 3, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Same here on Knuble back to 1R, fwiw.

I think Knuble’s demotion is partly to make a point – he’s a vet, so it’s not just the kids that are accountable – and partly because BB is a guy that likes to have a doghouse. That last bit is entirely baseless speculation on my point, I’ll note.

I’m waiting to see if the hammer falls on 28.

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by fat_daddyo on Nov 3, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’d be interested to see how Semin’s numbers look with and without Laich. I dunno how it plays out in the #fancystats, but my gut tells me Brooks had a fairly significant role in creating chances for Semin.

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by iwearstripes on Nov 3, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

And last year everyone was saying the exact opposite. If Semin needs BL21 to create chances, then…

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by Rob Parker on Nov 3, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I did Corsi last season and got this. Don’t know if Neil has SC WOWYs.

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by red army line on Nov 3, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

my gut tells me Brooks had a fairly significant role in creating chances for Semin.

Laich had a role in creating chances for everyone, not just Semin.

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He still does have a strong role, just now it’s indirectly by freeing up the easy minutes.

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by Bman21212 on Nov 3, 2011 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Perreault on the wing though. First time, right?

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by bagace on Nov 3, 2011 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Think they can keep up with the pace, though?

by NateEwell on Nov 3, 2011 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

That line is so speedy it needs to apply for a special permit in four states.

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by EmilyB on Nov 3, 2011 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah, a little bit quick. At the very least it’s a line that should be able to draw some penalties… if they can ever get the puck.

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by J.P. on Nov 3, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

What it might look like on NHL Play-by-Play

10 1 EV 5:01 FAC CAR won Def. Zone – WSH #90 JOHANSSON vs CAR #36 JOKINEN 50 85 90 44 55 | 36 53 39 25 6
11 1 EV 5:21 SHOT CAR ON GOAL – #25 PITKANEN, Snap, Off. Zone, 44 ft. 50 85 90 44 55 | 36 53 39 25 6
12 1 EV 5:29 SHOT CAR ON GOAL – #36 JOKINEN, Snap, Off. Zone, 28 ft. 50 85 90 44 55 | 36 53 39 25 6
13 1 EV 5:41 SHOT CAR ON GOAL – #53 SKINNER, Wrist, Off. Zone 31 ft. 50 85 90 44 55 | 36 53 39 25 6
14 1 EV 5:58 MISS CAR, #25 PITKANEN, Slap, Off. Zone, 51 ft. 50 85 90 44 55 | 36 53 39 25 6
15 1 EV 6:02 SHOT CAR, #36 JOKINEN, Snap, Off. Zone, 11 ft. 50 85 90 44 55 | 36 53 39 25 6
16 1 EV 6:03 STOP GOALIE STOPPED 50 85 90 44 55 | 36 53 39 25 6

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by ThePeerless on Nov 3, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Jokinen out 3-4 weeks with a sprung knee.

But, yeah.

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by EmilyB on Nov 3, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Perreault is very good at that in soft minutes.

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by red army line on Nov 3, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not physical, but fast as hell. If they are fed soft minutes maybe they do something? I’m not confident they’ll produce enough to justify handing them the soft minutes though.

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by Rob Parker on Nov 3, 2011 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn’t mind seeing Eakin and Chimera flip spots to give a little more ooomph to that second line with no reduction in speed. 50’s been successful as a checker too.

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by bigonetimer on Nov 3, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Eakin is suddenly a second liner in the NHL? OK.

I’m actually not totally opposed to the Care Bears this season but would prefer they be used when Brouwer is healthy and can play 2nd line duty. Bruce can play matchups with the care bears and demolish weaker D pairings.

by Kolzilla on Nov 3, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m still under the impression that Eakin is on the 2nd line to maximize TOI for this extended look. This is the right time of the season to do that. If he does stick up here, I’d guess he spends most of his time on the 4th line.

If Brower doesn’t play the next game, my guess is that Knuble is back on the 1st line, followed by 50-90-28, the CLAW line, and 85-15-26.

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by skyywise on Nov 3, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

I wonder if it if really spells the beginning of the end for Beagle if Eakin sticks around. That moment of hubris really cost him.

by jcoral128 on Nov 3, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think fighting Asham was hubris, it was realistic. Beagle doesn’t have too much upside. He’s like a 15th forward. He’s the definition of replaceable. Fighting and doing well would have allowed him to be much more likely to stick, especially over the soft competition like MP. And he did well for a bit, then got taken down.

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by Bman21212 on Nov 3, 2011 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good point…fighting to stay in the league, la Hendricks. I’m just wondering if his eyes were bigger than his belly on this one.

by jcoral128 on Nov 3, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s not really a second line at ES though. Chimera-Laich-Ward will get the tough minutes at ES, and that line will get fewer, easier ES minutes.

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by D'ohboy on Nov 3, 2011 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pretty surprising to see that Kaleta did something dirty – http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=379532

How many more-gutless players are there in the League?

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by J.P. on Nov 3, 2011 10:50 AM EDT reply actions  

It still irritates the hell out of me that Ovechkin’s first strike came as a result of this puke diving into the boards.

by Ginga on Nov 3, 2011 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

It does seem that Ovi’s strikes have come against less than clean players, including the time a few years ago when he had boarded Briere. (And must confess I’m not particularly fond of Tim Gleason either.)

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by CapsFan75 on Nov 3, 2011 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

At most, 2. Probably none.

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by Rob Parker on Nov 3, 2011 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Neil and…hrmmmm…Lapierre?

Neil gives Kaleta a run for his money, but I think that’s about it.

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by fat_daddyo on Nov 3, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Burrows?

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by RedBirdie on Nov 3, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think he’s as bad as Kaleta in terms of the dirty play.

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by Rob Parker on Nov 3, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Those were the two I was thinking of. There are other detestable characters, but they aren’t as gutless as Kaleta (Carcillo comes immediately to mind).

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by Rob Parker on Nov 3, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Before he left for Finland, J. Ruutu would have to be on that list.

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by Steckel Me Elmo on Nov 3, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

That’s the other guy I was trying to think of. I kept thinking Jokinen – who is no choirboy – but Ruutu was right up there.

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by fat_daddyo on Nov 3, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

J. Ruutu left? I’m so sorry, Finnish league, but I’m doing a little happy dance that I won’t have to see that shitbrick attempting to hurt Caps any more.

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by RedBirdie on Nov 3, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I definitely don’t mourn the loss of his presence in North America.

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by Steckel Me Elmo on Nov 3, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, it’s the dirty play + running away from the consequences that put Kaleta into a special class.

Plenty of guys that are too handy with their sticks, elbows and feet for my taste, but none of them are as weaselly as Kaleta and Neil.

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by fat_daddyo on Nov 3, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

I never thought Lapierre was a dirty player, more of an obnoxious, diving pest a la Burrows.

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by Killer_Carlson on Nov 3, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t have significant ire for those players, obnoxious d-bags they may be, because they aren’t really dangerous.

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by Steckel Me Elmo on Nov 3, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ask Scott Nichol about that.

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by Rob Parker on Nov 3, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, the issue was gutlessness (if that’s a word), but yeah, I agree, Neil and Kaleta are in their own little club.

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by fat_daddyo on Nov 3, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well I think gutless and dirty are very related. It’s more gutless to take cheap shots and never answer for it than to just dive and taunt and whatnot.

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by Killer_Carlson on Nov 3, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I found it funny that the guys Shanahan described Neil as something along the lines of “not a dirty player” yesterday on NHL Live when discussing why no suspension for him for hit on Alfie. Are you kidding me Shanny?

by ralCapsFan on Nov 3, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

To be clear, it was actually Shanahan who said that.

by ralCapsFan on Nov 3, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry…obviously Neil did not hit Alfie (not in that game anyway being on the same team. Getting my lack of suspensions confused.

by ralCapsFan on Nov 3, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Shanny says 4.

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by Bald Pollack on Nov 3, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

That wasn’t the question.

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by Rob Parker on Nov 3, 2011 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sweet. Maybe that’ll slow him down some.

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by fat_daddyo on Nov 3, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I liked that Shanny factored in previous examples that had not resulted in suspensions or fines as part of the pattern of behavior. Also, that he noted in slow-mo how Kaleta separated, looked up, took aim, and rammed.

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by Boggles on Nov 3, 2011 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Okay seriously, how the hell did he only get 4 games for that? That was terrible, and he’s done it like three times before. I’d have given him 8 or 10, minimum.

by Murshawursha on Nov 3, 2011 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

My favorite part of the video is the lady in the Kaleta sweater clapping when the head-butt happens.

by Eggseronius on Nov 3, 2011 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Briere

Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...

by dcsportsfan1 on Nov 3, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Douchey little jerk, but not in the same class with regard to attempting to injure opponents.

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by fat_daddyo on Nov 3, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn’t be so sure on that. Obviously I have not idea how it feels, but getting speared in the nether regions might be considered intent to injure, no?

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by gfcaps fan on Nov 3, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

That hurts, but when you’re wearing a cup it’s not going to put you on IR. Weaponizing a helmet is awfully dangerous.

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by fat_daddyo on Nov 3, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Briere has at least two high profile stick fouls to the head region as well.

And AO missed a game when Whitney speared his man bits, and Lidstrom missed some SCF time (and handed the Pens a Cup) when someone on the Hawks almost took one of his testicles. Cups help, but stick blades have a way of getting in there…

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by Rob Parker on Nov 3, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Briere has at least two high profile stick fouls to the head region as well.

Hell, he had two low-profile ones against the Caps two weeks ago.

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by J.P. on Nov 3, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

I didn’t see that, but he was suspended for taking a stick up high to Hannan after a goal (when Hannan was in COL) and then the whole Frans Nielsen on the face off incident. “I was just protecting myself!”

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by Rob Parker on Nov 3, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

He cut Laich twice.

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by J.P. on Nov 3, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Those were both him? Damn. I saw the picture damage of Laich’s face but didn’t realize both were Briere.

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by Rob Parker on Nov 3, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

yep, and he got off light on that second one.

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by RedBirdie on Nov 3, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but those were careless high sticking penalties, not dirty plays.

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by Killer_Carlson on Nov 3, 2011 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed – F&B referenced stick fouls, so I added to that. C’est tout.

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by J.P. on Nov 3, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sharp gave Lidstrom a “near catastrophic testicular injury.”

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by Steckel Me Elmo on Nov 3, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

It saddens me that it was Sharp. I just don’t want to believe it.

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by Rob Parker on Nov 3, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

If I remember correctly, I don’t think it was an intentional spear like Briere-Ovechkin or Whitney-Ovechkin, but I don’t remember the play all too well.

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by Steckel Me Elmo on Nov 3, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Briere is way too liberal with his stickwork, no argument from me.

I had forgotten about Lids and AO, though.

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by fat_daddyo on Nov 3, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed, but the question was about gutless. Anyone who spears a guy in the yambags behind the play then hides behind his bigger teammates is gutless.

Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...

by dcsportsfan1 on Nov 3, 2011 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d probably hate him less if he didn’t play for the Sabres.

But all the same, he’s a joke.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 3, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Funny, I’d hate the Sabres a little less if he didn’t play for them.

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by Killer_Carlson on Nov 3, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

My hatred of the Sabres is greater than my hatred of Kaleta.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 3, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve no particular hatred for the Sabres as a team, but in my experience their fans are some of the least-respectful people I’ve ever had the displeasure of dealing with.

by Murshawursha on Nov 3, 2011 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree with your assessment, Murshawursha.

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by CapsFan75 on Nov 3, 2011 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Anyone got video of the incident?

Also, I’m surprised the article didn’t mention that Kaleta was fined for a headbutt last season. I’m shocked, SHOCKED, that a paltry fine didn’t get him to change his ways.

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by Killer_Carlson on Nov 3, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Puck Daddy has a story on it.

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by Steckel Me Elmo on Nov 3, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the link.

Jerk.

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by Killer_Carlson on Nov 3, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

To tag on to this, I’ve noticed that often on the Clips page when an announcement is made about new content on the front page, no link is provided. I would happily click a provided link and open it in a new tab, thus keeping the Clips present as well. This convenience would be much appreciated. Instead, I have to scroll to the top/bottom of the page, open the home page link in a new tab, load the entire home page, then click on the new article. #firstworldproblems and all that.

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by Alz Well That Ends Well on Nov 3, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, but if I provided the link, you’d go straight to that page. If I make you first go to the front page and then you click through to the new content, that doubles our page views!

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by J.P. on Nov 3, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Via PD, they have the video of the headbutt, but check the second vid, which shows Kaleta delivering a headbutt to Zajac. Zajac gives him a little shove and Kaleta goes down like he stepped on a land mine. Unbelievable. I hate Katela.

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by fat_daddyo on Nov 3, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

What a douchenozzle. It was against Philly though… the hockey gods are toying with my emotions!

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by _Skullduggery_ on Nov 3, 2011 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

The one against Zajac, though. Zajac’s a decent guy. It was the dive at the end that was the cherry on top.

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by fat_daddyo on Nov 3, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

From NHL’s Dan Rosen:

Despite Boudreau saying he was playing a hunch, we have no choice but to believe he was telling Ovechkin he better pick up his game or his ice time will continue to decrease.

One assist doesn’t change the fact we might be witnessing growing tension in Washington between the coach and his star player. Anyone will tell you this is a losing battle for Boudreau because Ovechkin is the face of the franchise and he’s most definitely not going anywhere.

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by NGreenberg on Nov 3, 2011 11:22 AM EDT reply actions  

…we might be witnessing growing tension in Washington between the coach and his star player.

F’REALS? Come on, Dan. It’s one moment of one (relatively unimportant) game, apparently now that means there’s “growing tension”.

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by Becca H on Nov 3, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

This may be the single most insightful thing anyone’s ever written.

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by Gould Old Days on Nov 3, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

That may be the single best compliment I’ve ever gotten.

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by Rob Parker on Nov 3, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

That whole “Jack Handey” vibe…

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by ThePeerless on Nov 3, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, let’s wildly speculate despite all evidence to the contrary, then collect a paycheck from the NHL.

by NateEwell on Nov 3, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

File under “Don’t Be Silly.”

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by EmilyB on Nov 3, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Perhaps he needed to provide his daily quota of pixels.

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by gfcaps fan on Nov 3, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

we have no choice but to believe…

What do you mean “we,” Dan – got a turd in your pocket?

What an awful snippet of drivel that entire thing is.

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by J.P. on Nov 3, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just Dan and the tapeworm, saving the world one page-view at a time…

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by fat_daddyo on Nov 3, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

“we might be "

Nice fucking journalism.

We might be witnessing the maturing and evolution of a player, too. We might be witnessing a coach getting better at his job. “We might be” seeing any number of things. Just terrible.

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by J.P. on Nov 3, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions   4 recs

We might blame Fox “News” for this behavior in journalism.

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by skyywise on Nov 3, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

While I tend to agree (and would recommend “Outfoxed” to anyone who disagrees), let’s not go there.

/OT

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by J.P. on Nov 3, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Faux News!

/Seriously, OT

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by J.P. on Nov 3, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Understood.

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by skyywise on Nov 3, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not much surprises me when it comes to media coverage, but the treatment of this “story” is remarkable even by the lowest standards.

by NateEwell on Nov 3, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

How else is the NHL going to get continued coverage on SportsCenter, PTI, Around the Horn, etc? Makes for a more racy “story” than the decline of Marty.

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by bagace on Nov 3, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Everyone loves a good scandal.

by Murshawursha on Nov 3, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Au contraire – he lost weight this summer!

Funny line, though.

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by J.P. on Nov 3, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

F is for Facepalm. (stick tap JP)

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by EmilyB on Nov 3, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

That was Becca’s, and I believe it was “F is for… Facepalm.”

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“That goes for all you punks in the press that want to start sh*t by printin’ lies instead of the things we said…” “Printing lies, startin’ controversy, you want to antagonize me? antagonize me m’fer, get in the ring m’fer and i’ll kick your bitchy little ass! Punk!”

by cainoo7x on Nov 3, 2011 11:32 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Didn’t expect a GNR quote today… nice.

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by J.P. on Nov 3, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bringing it back around, have you seen Axl recently? He could have been the one who benched AO.

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by Bald Pollack on Nov 3, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Is he the one wearing the yellow jersey with the number 55 standing behind Teen Wolf?

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 3, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

No, that’s mid-season Mike Green.

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by Scott in Shaw on Nov 3, 2011 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

rectastic

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by _Skullduggery_ on Nov 3, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

W is for What Took So Long?

Was it his AO’s boneheaded rush down right wing on the PP instead of setting up the PP?

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by hotdog88gt on Nov 3, 2011 11:51 AM EDT reply actions  

Aw, nobody tell Rather, but ol’ Bengt-Ake was just fired as head coach of KHL’s Mystichi Atlant.

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Bengt-Ake’s had a tough go of coaching lately.

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by RedBirdie on Nov 3, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Saw that this morning.

At least he has his son’s hockey career to console him. Oh, wait…

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by J.P. on Nov 3, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Playing in Switzerland with Philadelphia Flyers legend Robert Esche.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 3, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

He should go into hip-hop so he could be M.C. Esche.

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by D'ohboy on Nov 3, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Who was traded to Philly for Philadelphia Flyers legend Brian Boucher.

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Boucher is a goalie who uses the butterfly method.

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by Scott in Shaw on Nov 3, 2011 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eakin’s upside is Laich – buy or sell?

by wickedwitch on Nov 3, 2011 12:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Sell. Different types of players and different sorts of game. I think Eakin’s likely to top out as a good energy winger or center, a la Darren Helm.

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by Wheeler on Nov 3, 2011 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pronman said several scouts have similar projections of Eakin as a top-six forward.

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by red army line on Nov 3, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think he’ll be guy who’ll spend time bouncing betwwen 2nd and 3rd line, and spend a lot of time on the PK.

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by EmilyB on Nov 3, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sell. Eakin upside is Marleau-ish in my opinion. Realistically, 4th line winger.

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by sydtron on Nov 3, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Marleau-ish? If that is the case, a strong Buy. I’m with Emily on this. Bouncing between the 2nd and 3d lines ….and cheap….would be fine by me.

by Wilderthing on Nov 3, 2011 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I think his game is similar to Marleau’s but Marleau was NHL ready when he was 18 — there’s no chance Eakin ever gets as successful as him. His ceiling would be someone like Cheechoo — have a dominating year once, few middling ones and that’s about it. I’m not impressed by Eakin much, basically.

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by sydtron on Nov 3, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eakin is a much better skater than Cheechoo, I think he’ll be able to do more independently than Cheechoo could. Obviously 50 goals is not realistic at all, but I think long term Eakin could be the better player.

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by Rob Parker on Nov 3, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh, I just meant career arch. Eakin is going to put up twice as many goals as what his average will eventually settle at. I just get that feeling he’ll have a breakout year and never follow it up.

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by sydtron on Nov 3, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

(and Cheechoo is what, an AHL’er now? even without that awful contract — Eakin won’t ever go back down to the A after he makes it in the N)

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by sydtron on Nov 3, 2011 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well Cheechoo had some bad injury problems with his legs, and his skating was never great to begin with.

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by Rob Parker on Nov 3, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why aren’t you impressed by Eakin?

by wickedwitch on Nov 3, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s not Backstrom, he’s not Kuznetsov. Having a dominating year once and a few middling ones is probably how most second line forwards go, I imagine.

I’m in the camp of solid, consistent contributor in all situations, but never the go-to guy, except maybe PK. I’d be surprised if that contribution regularly exceeded 20-45 (which is not saying much, since that’s nearly top-line territory).

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by red army line on Nov 3, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah — he’s good, but not 1st or 2nd line. He’s fast, and explosive, but I’d never categorize him as explosive enough for 1st or 2nd liner on a playoff team.

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by sydtron on Nov 3, 2011 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think you’re overestimating what it means to be a top-six forward “on a playoff team.” 16 playoff teams = 96 top-six forwards. #96 in scoring last season: Marian Gaborik and his 48 points in a down year (surrounded by Callahan, Hornqvist, Vrbata, and Kunitz). Not counting Arnott, last season the Caps’ 6th-highest scoring forward was Marjo with his 29 points.

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by red army line on Nov 3, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

You’re cherry picking — plus Gaborik was in Torts’ doghouse and had his minutes cut a lot, especially on the PP. If Eakin had it in him, he’d already be in the NHL.

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by sydtron on Nov 3, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Marian Gaborik and his 48 points in a down year (surrounded by Callahan, Hornqvist, Vrbata, and Kunitz

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by red army line on Nov 3, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

If, by upside, you mean: “Holy living hell I can’t believe he turned into that.”

More realistically his “highest” upside is Ryan Callahan, Chris Drury, Daymond Langkow. Small-statured centerman/wing with a hard shot and good wheels who plays tenacious defense. A strong #2C/#2W, but not a first-line player.

His 80% projection would be someone like Rich Peverley, a shorter David Legwand or maybe Desharnais.

I think he’s going to end up being somewhere in the Darren Helm/Todd Marchant (late-90s version)/Dean McAmmond/Kris Draper mold. 3rd-line guy with wheels who can score on occasion – excellent PKer and shorthanded threat to score. Can fill in on the 2nd line in a pinch.

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by D'ohboy on Nov 3, 2011 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d cream myself if he turned out like Callahan or Drury.

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by Rob Parker on Nov 3, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lovely.

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by J.P. on Nov 3, 2011 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

OMG. Whyno tweeted his appearance on Montreal radio right now. The questions are so stupid they’re not worth attempting to repeat.

Example of the latest: “Is he in shape?” (Ovi, not Bruce)

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Bruce and I are both in shape.

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by MikeL-Pivonka on Nov 3, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Holy mother Nashville is paying Pekka Rinne $7M per year over the next 7 years.

Holy moly.

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For the last pick in the 8th round? Who do they think they are? Detroit?

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by bilspacecadet on Nov 3, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m more shocked they actually kept a goaltender this time.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 3, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Goodbye Ryan Suter, Predator? Hello Ryan Suter, most coveted D on next year’s market?

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by skyywise on Nov 3, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Weber’s UFA too.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 3, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

No he’s not. Restricted.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 3, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought he had another RFA year, but the team can’t elect arb again.

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by gfcaps fan on Nov 3, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah…he’s RFA again next year.

Strikes me as kind of a Bryz situation. The guy’s good, but they’ve developed good goaltenders forever. Lindback probably would have been just fine, and a bazillion dollars cheaper.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 3, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

And hell, even Jeremy Smith has been killing it in Milwaukee.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 3, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Preds are more likely to keep Weber than Suter. Or they could surprise everyone, keep both, and go thin at forward.

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by skyywise on Nov 3, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Erat, Legwand, Fisher, and Hornqvist are already locked up for at least next year. They just don’t spend any money. Third lowest payroll in the lig.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 3, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

And unless I’m missing a new owner and/or revenue stream, I don’t see how that changes.

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by Rob Parker on Nov 3, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Way to lock up the least valuable piece first. That means they are either going to spend to the cap or lose one of their stud D. Nice job, boys.

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by Rob Parker on Nov 3, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Theory is that they know they’re losing one or both of the D’s, so they lock up Rinne.

Even if you believe the first part of that, I’m not sure how the second part follows (at this price/term).

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by J.P. on Nov 3, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, oh well. Maybe they just assume they are so stocked with D that they can fill that better than fill the G. But losing Vokoun didn’t hurt them that badly, did it? Just odd to me. D’ohboy’s gotta be loving the deal though.

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by Rob Parker on Nov 3, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

losing Vokoun didn’t hurt them that badly, did it

Or Mason. Or Ellis.

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by J.P. on Nov 3, 2011 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

And the fact that Mason and Ellis looked like legit number 1s behind that D/system…

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by Rob Parker on Nov 3, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly.

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by J.P. on Nov 3, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Vokoun’s got to be chewing rocks with that news.

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by Gould Old Days on Nov 3, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe, or just wrong place, wrong time. Not a lot of teams look like they want to spend a ton on goaltending, and he just wasn’t the guy on one of those teams. Rinne’s age obviously is a factor as well.

Basically, Vokoun would have greatly increased his chances (in retrospect) of getting a huge deal if he had pushed for a deadline trade to a team that was going to spend on goaltending.

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by Rob Parker on Nov 3, 2011 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I also think Vokoun probably had different prices for different teams. It’s one thing to make $1.5m on a team with legitimate Cup aspirations in a decent city with decent travel. It’s another thing to make $1.5m playing in Edmonton.

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by D'ohboy on Nov 3, 2011 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly, which is why he turned down 3 mill from FLA.

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by Rob Parker on Nov 3, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nah. Even I think paying that much for a keeper is dumb. . . .

Still, it’s interesting in terms of what it says about the market for talent. Especially when you look at the Bryzgalov deal and the Varlamov trade.

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by D'ohboy on Nov 3, 2011 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

If anything it just says it’s not a monolithic market like it seems to be for other positions. It definitely doesn’t say we’re back to spending a crapload for goalies because most teams still aren’t signing those kind of deals. I do want to see what happens with Lundqvist’s and Miller’s next deals, though. I’m also not convinced Varlamov belongs in that example pool. He wasn’t paid a ton, and while the Caps fans like the return it’s not like it was batshit crazy like Bryz’s and Rinne’s Ks seem to be. If Brouwer is worth a First, Varly is easy a First and a Second on a team with no goaltending pipeline.

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by Rob Parker on Nov 3, 2011 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Brouwer is worth a First….

<cough, cough>
 that aside, i agree with your post.

by Ginga on Nov 3, 2011 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

OUR first in LAST YEAR’s draft. Has to be qualified. He’s on pace for 20/30/50…which wouldn’t be too bad playing on the top line, would it? Were we expecting 30 goals from him?

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by Davethecapsfan on Nov 3, 2011 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe they think they can pony up for two players at $7MM, but not 3. Who knows.

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by Steckel Me Elmo on Nov 3, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

To me, there’s not a point, ever, when a $7m G makes the slightest shred of sense.

Btw, since when has NSH had trouble finding NHL-caliber goaltending?

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by J.P. on Nov 3, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right on. Way too much dough for a G for even a short term deal on a team that has serious G problems. The term makes it completely absurd.

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by fat_daddyo on Nov 3, 2011 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d still take Rinne’s contract over Bryzgalov’s any day of the week.

by Murshawursha on Nov 3, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bryz’s K is worse for Philly than Rinne’s is for Nashville, I guess.

And Rinne is younger and probably better than Bryz, allthough it’s a little tough to tell with the shot counting in NSH and the teams Bryz has played for.

Both of them are bad.

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by fat_daddyo on Nov 3, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

They had pretty crappy goaltending pre-1998. Not one elite G in that period.

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by Rob Parker on Nov 3, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions   3 recs

Nice.

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by gfcaps fan on Nov 3, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

On the other hand, they didn’t allow a single goal. Forget the individual goalie, that’s a successful system.

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by Alz Well That Ends Well on Nov 3, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also a fair point.

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by Rob Parker on Nov 3, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh I agree, I think it’s a bad deal. But if we knew anything about the game we’d be in it …

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by Steckel Me Elmo on Nov 3, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

There’s games beyond the fucking game.

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by J.P. on Nov 3, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s all in the game.

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by Rob Parker on Nov 3, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

The game’s the same, just got more fierce.

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by Killer_Carlson on Nov 3, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Btw, since when has NSH had trouble finding NHL-caliber goaltending?

Well, past isn’t always prologue; maybe they don’t think Lindback is a starter. Agree that it’s an overpayment though.

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by Rainbow, Kitty, Beer on Nov 3, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d sooner plow the $$$ into the two defensemen as pay Rinne that amount.

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by ThePeerless on Nov 3, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

jeeeeeeeeesus. he’s good but $7 mil per year?!?! For 7 years? Who slipped Polie some drugs?

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by RedBirdie on Nov 3, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Stupid. I’d take Suter + Weber over Rinne + either any day. Plus, they have a capable backup in Rinne.

I wonder if Suter or Weber has no intention of re-signing, and Polie knows that. That’s the only way this makes even a little sense.

And take a second to imagine a Suter/Green pairing… and then come back to reality where there is a salary cap.

by wickedwitch on Nov 3, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Unless the Caps wish to trade away people to make room for Suter,

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by CapsFan75 on Nov 3, 2011 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Suter is gold. You make room for Suter. We shipped off Fehr for Vokoun, we’d figure it out for Suter. Great players are worth it.

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by Bman21212 on Nov 3, 2011 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Caps have had this track record of being a disaster when Green’s out. Maybe they need to stock up on stud defensemen, just in case. Vancouver seemed to stockpile defensemen last year. Turns out they were needed.

So, on the trading note, I hope we can get more for Sasha than a ECHL enforcer and 4th rounder.

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by CapsFan75 on Nov 3, 2011 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think this necessarily means that either Suter or Weber are gone though. It depends on how much the owners are willing to spend, as they have the cap space.

It’s a good thing that Poile doesn’t have a history of letting great defensemen go.

by wickedwitch on Nov 3, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like the last sentence, made me chuckle.

This is a ton of cash to give a goalie, especially for 7 years. That being said, I looked at them on Cap Geek now, and they do have some money to play with, but Colin Wilson should get a raise after this year from the 1.7MM hit he has now, but they’ll also have Fisher off the books after 2012-13. I know the old adage is “build from the net out,” but Suter and Weber should and most likely will command 6 million/year each, possibly more. You want to hang onto them both, but they also need to invest in some type of scoring. I know I’m not a GM, but it just doesn’t seem like the best way to spend money. I think one of them stays, the other goes. But that’s me, and I’d rather have more balance if I were building a team.

Purely speculation on my part and not the boldest of guesses but, I think Suter hits the FA market after this year and ends up a Red Wing.

by JimCareyFanClub on Nov 3, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

The cap ceiling isn’t the concern for Nashville. They have an internal budget that’s lower than the cap.

Release the Mackan!

by Killer_Carlson on Nov 3, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or do they?

Please, call me F&B.

by Rob Parker on Nov 3, 2011 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sometimes I just say “are you, dad?” because he gets real quiet and doesn’t notice when I walk away.

Release the Mackan!

by Killer_Carlson on Nov 3, 2011 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

so, just looking at capgeeks, looks like Pinne will have the highest cap hit on any goalie and be top-3 in actual salary

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by RedBirdie on Nov 3, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

So, knee-jerk opinions: is Rinne’s deal ($7M through 2019) better or worse than DiPietro’s ($4.5M through 2021)?

Despite the overpayment by NSH today, the Glass Goalie still has the more crippling contract, I think.

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by skyywise on Nov 3, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Semin and Colorado’s 1st for Weber!

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by ThePeerless on Nov 3, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

What’s the opposite of rec?

by leacha on Nov 3, 2011 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

cled?

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by RedBirdie on Nov 3, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

cer?

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by ThePeerless on Nov 3, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

DiPietro isn’t crippling at all. For one, he spends most of the time on LTIR. And second, the Isles aren’t anywhere near the cap. In fact, the Isles have been near the floor, so if anything DiPietro helps them reach the floor without having to put money into anyone else. They may not even be putting him on LTIR even when he’s eligible.

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by Rob Parker on Nov 3, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rinne’s is worse.

On a team that does not spend to the cap, that $7M is going to handcuff Poile enormously. And there’s serious debate whether Rinne is great or the D personnel + D system is great in NSH, plus the fact that overcounting shots inflates their G’s shot totals.

DiPi would be borderline reasonable if he weren’t injured all the time, but on a rebuilding club that has trouble getting to the floor, it’s not an albatross.

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by fat_daddyo on Nov 3, 2011 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

OK, so…Rinne gets $7M, which means you have to pay Weber more, or at least that’s my take…and by more, I mean more than he got in his last deal, the one that pays him $7.5M this year. Or you’re going to have to give him a deal where he doesn’t give back any UFA years (I believe he is eligible after the 12-13 season?…). And I’m not sure Nashville is all that close to being a Finals-type contender to make Weber want to be giving the Predators any hometown discount.

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by ThePeerless on Nov 3, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

If they’re going to hold on to Weber, he’s going to want a raise, I agree.

Someone noted it upthread, but this basically means they’re going to wave goodbye to one or both of Suter and Weber. I’d bet it’s Weber.

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by fat_daddyo on Nov 3, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can’t see them letting go of Weber, actually. Franchise D, captain, and whatnot, even if it means more money. Suter I would think hits the market, gets underpaid by Tampa Bay who promptly rides Hedman-Suter roughshod over us again.

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by red army line on Nov 3, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Underpaid or overpaid by Tampa? I have a hard time seeing Suter getting underpaid. People know how good he is.

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by Rob Parker on Nov 3, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t get the impression of that. Maybe he won’t be underpaid, but relative to Weber or, say, if Chara hit the open market, their reputations would get them more money than they deserve, and I think that’s where Suter loses out. So…underpaid in the sense that he won’t be overpaid?

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by red army line on Nov 3, 2011 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s some interesting logic. Suter doesn’t have the hype among fans, but there’s no doubt in my mind that every GM realizes he’s a legit stud and if he makes the open market he’ll be the prize of the class. He’ll make 6+.

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by Rob Parker on Nov 3, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I also should add I’m afraid some GM will get him to sign for less than he’s worth, and first GM I thought of that may do that (and would have the need to throw money at Suter) was Yzerman.

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by red army line on Nov 3, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

That requires 29 other GMs not giving him a market value offer or Suter deciding he wants to take less to change scenery.

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by Rob Parker on Nov 3, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

does nobody ever learn?

by j762 on Nov 3, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Via Puck Daddy, Rinne’s agent:

Essentially, it came down to the fact there was a commitment that needed to be made to a potential free agent who finished second in the Vezina Trophy voting and fourth in the MVP voting, [one] that was going to be substantial. The Predators made the commitment.

I wasn’t aware that commitment was synonymous with “batshit crazy amounts of money”

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by RedBirdie on Nov 3, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

“Ask me why.”

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by AMusingFool on Nov 3, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I made a commitment to my wife… it wasn’t until we got divorced that I had to give her "batshit crazy amounts of money".

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by Alz Well That Ends Well on Nov 3, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t know if I should rec this or say “I’m sorry, man.”

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by RedBirdie on Nov 3, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Since it’s not true in the least, you can feel comfortable reccing it.

She pays me.

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by Alz Well That Ends Well on Nov 3, 2011 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

So, Friedman pointed out that if you are too far out at the end of October, your chances of making the playoffs. The money quote:

If your team is two wins out of the playoffs at the beginning of November, the three-point games give it a seven per cent chance of recovery.

Which brings us to the Boston Bruins, currently 4 points (two wins) behind BUF for the 8th seed. BOS does not have a game in hand.

Buy or Sell: Bruins miss the playoffs entirely.

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by fat_daddyo on Nov 3, 2011 1:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Sell. It’s still a good team, just off to a slow start.

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by Rob Parker on Nov 3, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sadly, I agree.

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by fat_daddyo on Nov 3, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

sell. Because you know who is in the top 8 right now? Toronto. Ottawa. Florida.

Ottawa

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by RedBirdie on Nov 3, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ottawa you can put down to the extra couple of games they have on the teams behind them. But, yeah, their goal differential is laughable.

Toronto…having a hard time believing in them, but they’ve looked pretty good the couple of times I’ve watched them.

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by fat_daddyo on Nov 3, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Toronto will be competitive but I don’t think they are a playoff team yet. When Kessel cools off we’ll see if they can outscore their mistakes.

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by Rob Parker on Nov 3, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

when it comes to October records, I generally embrace the baseball saying, “April lies; May tells the truth”

although I do wish much continued success to the Capitals Southern Auxiliary. I just don’t see them cracking the top 8.

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by RedBirdie on Nov 3, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree with you on FLA. Thought they were James Dean for a day.

But, no. They’re not.

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by fat_daddyo on Nov 3, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

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by skyywise on Nov 3, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

The top 8 currently includes TOR, FLA, CAR, and OTT.

It could easily happen that none of those teams makes the playoffs.

B’s are definitely still in it.

by j762 on Nov 3, 2011 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have Carolina as a bubble team. Can’t decide if they’ll make it or not. But those other 3? schedule your tee times earlier to avoid getting stuck with unfavorable slots!

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by RedBirdie on Nov 3, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

TOR could make it. But I’d put the over/under for number of those teams making the playoffs at 3, and I’d take the under.

by j762 on Nov 3, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

OTT is out. No way they crack the top 8.

FLA won’t make it, and if they do they’ll make it at the expense of CAR.

I’d put the O/U at 1.5…and take the under.

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by fat_daddyo on Nov 3, 2011 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think 2 is the max, and if it does happen, it’s gonna be TOR and CAR.

bold prediction, i know

by j762 on Nov 3, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not a believer in CAR at all.

I can’t decide if my TOR love is just wishful thinking. It probably is, as I picked them as my dark-horse 8th seed candidate the two prior years. I hope they make it.

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by fat_daddyo on Nov 3, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sell.

Back to PDO again, Bruins have 15/21 skaters with PDOs under 1000. 9 guys are at or below 960.

The Caps have been getting all of the Bruins’ bounces apparently.

by leacha on Nov 3, 2011 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or the Bruins used up all their luck last Spring.

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by Rob Parker on Nov 3, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ll sell, too. But I will buy that they’re not going to win their division.

Moreover, take a look at last year. These were the standings in the Eastern Conference at November 1 of last year:

Tampa (15)
Montreal (15)
Washington (14)
Philadelphia (13)
Pittsburgh (13)
Boston (12)
Atlanta (12)
Toronto (11)
NYR (11)
Carolina (10)
NYI (10)
Ottawa (9)
Florida (8)
Buffalo (8)
New Jersey (7)

Buffalo’s 8 points in 12 games is a pretty good representation of where the Bs are sitting today (8 points in 11 games). And they were able to claw their way back into the playoffs through good goaltending, decent defense, and a top-10 offense.

The Bruins probably won’t have the top-10 offense this year, but their D is probably better than Buffalo’s corps was last year, and they do have the goaltending thing down, too. I’m guessing the Bs finish somewhere in the 7-9 range this year, most likely 7 or 8.

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by Wheeler on Nov 3, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

accountability

just saying, I’ll be willing to fully accept that it has become a part of the Caps organisation once the other Sasha finds himself on the business end of it

by j762 on Nov 3, 2011 4:28 PM EDT reply actions  

He wasn’t out on the ice during the 6v5 either.

by Joran on Nov 3, 2011 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s been on the business end of it more than Ovi has.

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by CapsFan75 on Nov 3, 2011 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here’s the news from CI on Beagle who’s hoping to skate. While he has not yet admitted to having a concussion, it sure sounds like a concussion.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/capitals-insider/post/jay-beagle-hoping-to-skate-for-first-time-since-suffering-concussion/2011/11/03/gIQAEtp2iM_blog.html

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by CapsFan75 on Nov 3, 2011 8:37 PM EDT reply actions  

So will the “Munchkin Line” happen tomorrow? Many of the “strange” lines that Boudreau uses in practice that he says “don’t mean anything” are the lines used. Although Johansson is no longer a munchkin in size — he’s now 6’1" and 205 pounds. Now, his line is the “tryout line” for the rookies.

Well, Perreault and Eakin on the same line (for a brief period on Tuesday) did result in good things happening. While neither of them scored then, Wideman scored when they were together. May not be such a bad combination after all.

Question is — how did Knuble get in the doghouse anyhow? Knuble always impressed me as the type of guy who had good work habits.

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