Tuesday Caps Clips: Blues @ Caps Game Day
Your savory breakfast links:
- Previews of tonight's battle with the Blues from Vogs, NHL.com, Peerless, CRtC and SB Nation DC, and be sure to check out our SB Nation partner St. Louis Game Time for more coverage from the other side of tonight's match-up. Now, on to the news of the day...
- On the coaching change itself:
- What happened and why, from the outside. [Japers' Rink, NHL.com, Puck Daddy, Dump 'n Chase, WaPo (blog, article, column), WashTimes (article, column, blog, pics), DCEx (blog, column), CSNW (article, video), 106.7 The Fan, The Hockey News, SI, Backhand Shelf, SB Nation DC, Frankovic, OFB, RLD, DSP, Box Seats, Box Seats, Examiner, Sick Unbelievable, Puck Buddys, Capital Spirit, Puck 'N Hockey, Nosebleeds, StC, Puckhead, RtR, SB Nation, KK, NHL Hot Stove, VA Patch, FanPost, Chirps]
- What happened and why, from the inside (namely George McPhee). [Caps365 (video), NHL.com, Puck Daddy, CSNW, SB Nation DC, DSP, DCEx]
- The players react. [Caps365 video (Ovechkin, Laich, Vokoun, Backstrom/Knuble, Carlson/Wideman), NHL.com, NHL.com, WashTimes, SB Nation DC, CSNW, DSP]
- Local talking heads talk. [CSNW (video: Laughlin/Beninati, May), 106.7 The Fan (audio: Laughlin, Koken, Laughlin), ESPN980 (audio: Beninati, May), WNST (Frankovic, Frankovic), PensBlog Podcast (audio: J.P.) The Jabarie Brown Podcast (audio: Goat)]
- What happened and why, from the outside. [Japers' Rink, NHL.com, Puck Daddy, Dump 'n Chase, WaPo (blog, article, column), WashTimes (article, column, blog, pics), DCEx (blog, column), CSNW (article, video), 106.7 The Fan, The Hockey News, SI, Backhand Shelf, SB Nation DC, Frankovic, OFB, RLD, DSP, Box Seats, Box Seats, Examiner, Sick Unbelievable, Puck Buddys, Capital Spirit, Puck 'N Hockey, Nosebleeds, StC, Puckhead, RtR, SB Nation, KK, NHL Hot Stove, VA Patch, FanPost, Chirps]
- On the new boss, Dale Hunter...
- ... the coach. [Caps365 video (Hunter's introductory scrum), WashTimes, WaPo, 106.7 The Fan, PHT, CSNW, SB Nation DC, KOL, DSP, Dobber Hockey]
- ... the player and teammate. [WashTimes, WaPo, Dump 'n Chase (with a bonus throwback post here), DC Sports Bog, CSNW, RMNB, SB Nation, @BMcNally14]
- ... the man with his work cut out for him. [NHL.com, NHL.com, ESPN, Yahoo!, PHT, SB Nation, NYT]
- ... who followed his heart to Washington. [LFP]
- ... trying to make the Juniors-to-NHL leap. [WaPo, DCEx, Toronto Star, CSNW, PHT]
- ... the interview. [(106.7 The Fan (audio), ESPN980 (audio)]
- ... the coach. [Caps365 video (Hunter's introductory scrum), WashTimes, WaPo, 106.7 The Fan, PHT, CSNW, SB Nation DC, KOL, DSP, Dobber Hockey]
- On the old boss, Bruce Boudreau...
- ... and his time in D.C. (and beyond). [Ted's Take, NHL.com, DC Sports Bog, CSNW (video), Capitals Voice, Mr. Irrelevant, SB Nation DC, RMNB, Capital Games, Caps Outsider]
- ... and the fact that he's still a great coach and will land on his feet. [Patriot-News, PHT]
- ... and his love of the game. [Alyonka Larionov, DCEx]
- ... and the love they have for him up in Hershey. [Patriot-News]
- ... and why the numbers say he deserved better. [AIH]
- ... and the view from Pittsburgh (sure, why not?). [Pitt Trib]
- ... and Michael Buble's thoughts on his dismissal. Seriously. [NBC Washington]
- ... and Hitler's reaction to the news. [YouTube]
- On the captain, Alex Ovechkin...
- ... who probably would never be called a "coach killer" if he was born on this side of the Atlantic, but nonetheless is firmly the focus now and for the foreseeable future. [CBC, CBC, ESPN, Hockey News, Flaim's Forum, SI, KOL, PHT (and again, tediously), WNST]
- ... who has a perfectly good relationship with Boudreau, thank you very much. [WaPo]
- ... who isn't Hunter's biggest challenge named Alex. [LFP]
- ... who may or may not be able to change his ways. [PHT]
- On the general manager, who will now be under increased scrutiny as well. [CSNW]
- On the fans' reaction. [CSNW, FanPost]
- On the coaching change itself:
- Notes and assorted whatnot from yesterday's actual practice:
- In general. [Caps365 (video), Peerless, sk84fun_dc (pics)]
- Hey, Mike Green skated yesterday. Guys? Guys? [WashTimes, WaPo]
- Back to the problems that, even theoretically, weren't solved yesterday, are Roman Hamrlik and Dennis Wideman causes for concern? [WaPo]
- In case you missed it (and we think you did), we ran a couple of substantive posts yesterday that might interest you. [Japers' Rink, Japers' Rink]
- How about some pretty pictures of goalie masks for a little break from the heavy stuff? [Kris Coronado, with extras here]
- Oh, and Movember pics and adult-beverage-related fun. [DSP]
- Marcus Johansson, Mathieu Perreault and orangutans. Or something. [WaPo]
- The Russian Rocket has some advice for The Great Eight... but he ain't tellin' us what it is. [Canucks Army]
- Notes from Monday's practice in Hershey. [Patriot-News]
- Gearing up for Bourque Bowl. [Patriot-News]
- Finally, happy 62nd birthday to another Caps legend, Yvon Labre.
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Since there’s a metric shit ton of linkage above and no human being could possibly read it all, I’d suggest that if you see something particularly interesting in any of the links, point it out here.
For example, I thought Tim Leone’s piece on Boudreau was really great and heartfelt and should be checked out.
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Nov 29, 2011 9:22 AM EST up reply actions
You read my mind.
I actually quite liked the Ken Campbell piece from THN. Yes, it’s a bit of a re-hash of the “stars killed Boudreau” theme, but that doesn’t make it wrong or poorly written.
Unleash the Apathy.
Yesterday everyone was saying how awkward Hunter coaching Semin is. Anyone notice Hunter coached Sergei Kostitsyn in London? Quick google search revealed this on Kostitsyn: “His compete level is questioned at times, which hurts his overall production at the highest level.” "I think he was a little bit too soft, but he still has a lot of talent and it shows." Hmmm?
In two seasons at London, Kostitsyn played in 122 games and was 66-143-209 in those games. In two post seasons at London he played in 35 games and was 22-36-58. Not bad numbers.
If you've read this far...seek help.
Hunter also had Rob Schremp and had some run-ins with him, IIRC (benched him in the playoffs, I think… maybe the Memorial Cup). But eventually, Schremp bought in.
But it’ll be interesting to see if Hunter can get similar buy-in from older players who are already “developed” and don’t have that carrot of “If you want to play in the NHL, you have to do it this way” dangling in front of them.
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Nazem Kadri congratulated him on Twitter yesterday. So they are at least paying attention.
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I honestly wouldn’t mind seeing the Caps give a shot to Schremp on a cheap-o $750k contract. The guy just oozes skill, but he’s never been able to play with consistency or pay attention to defense. Maybe Hunter could sort him out.
Unleash the Apathy.
Isn’t he playing in Europe this year? Would they have to buy out his deal?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 29, 2011 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
That’s 26’s job.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 29, 2011 1:44 PM EST up reply actions
Kostitsyn also hates Glen Hanlon, for whatever that’s worth.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 29, 2011 8:07 AM EST up reply actions
In an interview he gave a few years ago when Hanlon was fired:
Q. Why do you have a special knack against Washington, scoring every third of your goals in the regular season?
A. I don’t know, it just happens. Although it’s a pity that [Glen Hanlon] left Washington. I would have scored not three but six against them. Let him see who is “too young for the national team.”
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 29, 2011 9:25 AM EST up reply actions
The Itty Bitty Tittie Committee.
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by J.P. on Nov 29, 2011 9:27 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
If you google Ovechkin + “coach killer” you get more than 5,000 entries. That probably qualifies as a stamp of disapproval. But it got me to thinking about Ovechkin’s season. Through 22 games he is 8-9-17, minus-7, and the Caps are 12-9-1. Not good, not good at all.
You might compare that to another player, coach, and 22 game stretch that ended in a firing. That team went 8-13-1, their star player was 7-18-25, minus-8 (after going +10 in his first 35 games that season). You can guess who the player is. He got his points, but that minus-8 isn’t the profile of a player giving his all at both ends either, or so you might think (whatever you think of the plus-minus as a statistic).
One is a coach killer, one isn’t.
But if Ovechkin can respond as the other player did (12-19-31, plus-1 in his last 21 regular season games that season), it might end as happily as it did for the other player whose coach was fired.
If you've read this far...seek help.
Possibly related, the Campbell piece has some interesting ‘final days’ detail.
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by Bald Pollack on Nov 29, 2011 7:07 AM EST up reply actions
It does (was just reading it), but little things like bad math can drive me nuts:
When George McPhee fired his coach and replaced him with an inexperienced NHL commodity three years ago around American Thanksgiving
2011-2007=4, right? How hard is that?
Otherwise, I thought it was actually a good story, and I often want to throttle Campbell.
"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."
As head coach and part owner of the obscenely profitable London Knights, Hunter was making more money – it has been speculated – than he ever made as a player
This is may be true, given that he was making $600,000 a year during the year he was suspended for his hit on Turgeon. Oh how times have changed in the NHL. The minimum salary is creeping near $600k, no?
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Hmm. Per here (awesome site, bee tee dubs), he made ~$1m in each of his last three seasons in the League. He banked more than that annually in London? Impressive… for a farmer.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 29, 2011 8:23 AM EST up reply actions
Depends on the program. If it’s Miami, probably. If it’s Maryland, they SHOULD be paying the players.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 29, 2011 9:14 AM EST up reply actions
a program to eliminate swimming
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They had to cut I think, 8 sports? Athletic Department is in big time debt.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 29, 2011 9:43 AM EST up reply actions
Anything involving water or track was cut.
Personally, I think they should just award funding based on winning. Course then EVERYTHING would be gone except soccer and field hockey.
by Murshawursha on Nov 29, 2011 9:46 AM EST up reply actions
(Tinordi-inspired?) zing!
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by J.P. on Nov 29, 2011 9:15 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Tinordi was just the latest example of London stealing a kid committed to the NCAA route. Oh wait — Max Domi is the latest example. Tinordi is so last year. Anybody check on Garrett Haar to see if he’s still in school?
I guess there’s no way to really “stop” that is there? Maybe if the NCAA does something about their draconian athletic rules?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 29, 2011 9:20 AM EST up reply actions
Getting way OT, but there are a variety of ways — from the CHL honoring a letter of intent (which admittedly they have no motivation to do) to the NHL investigating how the CHL is spending the $9M a year they give them.
Well, it’s hockey-related so I think they’ll let it slide ;)
The NHL gives the CHL 9m a year? Is that how it’s funded?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 29, 2011 9:23 AM EST up reply actions
That’s part of their funding. (A larger part is probably ticket and beer sales, plus sponsorships and media rights.)
The NHL also gives USA Hockey $8M a year (a very small portion of which goes to the group I’m now working for, College Hockey Inc.).
These payments essentially cover player development fees that the NHL pays to Sweden or other countries for players those countries produce. The CHL money is divvied up in part based on draft picks each team produces.
So what would be the shady uses that the NHL would investigate?
Also, do you have any idea how the CHL would react if the NHL said it wanted to allow 18 or 19 year olds to play in the AHL? It seems that pressure is going to come eventually as it’s the best thing for a lot of players’ growth curves.
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Does the AHL have it’s own union, or are they repped by NHLPA? I’d bet they’d have some issues with letting the younger guys in.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 29, 2011 9:31 AM EST up reply actions
If CHL teams are paying exorbitant fees to players to decommit from NCAA schools — and claims of payments from $250K to $1M are fairly typical for high-end players — the NHL should frown upon that. That could be using NHL funds to damage the sport in the US.
As for the AHL rule, that’s crucial for the CHL. That agreement is as important to them as the money, I’d venture.
I think the CHL plays up the crucial nature of the protection rule. I don’t think the league would suffer much if some players would be allowed to play in the AHL. I’d probably limit it to the first round picks to make sure it isn’t rampant or abused (guys like Eakin should have spent their time in the CHL, even though he could probably have played in the AHL, I don’t think he was too good to learn more in the CHL). But I think guys like Niedereitter and Sbisa should have an AHL option. Guys that aren’t going to progress in the CHL but aren’t really ready for the NHL. How many players does that really impact? The CHL already loses the really high end 18 and 19 year olds to the NHL and it doesn’t kill the league. Fan loyalties in those leagues go beyond the players.
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A first-round exception would make sense. I also think Hockey Canada’s proposal for a 19-year-old draft makes a lot of sense and would help here to a degree.
Those hosers just want to load their WHL team even more.
A 19 year old draft would make it easier to target players, but I don’t know that there’s really that much reason to push it back (and what would happen to that one draft year? The first time they did it there’d be a ghost land of a draft.) There are enough 18 year olds that can play, and seemingly more every year, that keeping them undrafted for another year doesn’t seem necessary to me.
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I dunno, 5 or 6 kids who can stick in the league doesn’t seem huge to me. I think you’d be better off drafting more kids who could step into your lineup, at least on a more regular basis.
Maybe allow teams to negotiate entry level contracts with an AHL option?
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by Whiter Mage on Nov 29, 2011 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
That’s stupid, then every team will have them.
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by Whiter Mage on Nov 29, 2011 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
But I think guys like Niedereitter and Sbisa should have an AHL option. Guys that aren’t going to progress in the CHL but aren’t really ready for the NHL. How many players does that really impact?
Not many. I doubt teams would rush a guy to the AHL (thus burning a year on their ELC) unless they truly thought a guy had nothing left to learn in the CHL. Teams have an incentive to keep players in the CHL longer unless they are ready to go pro, so I’m skeptical that the CHL would be devastated by an AHL option.
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by Killer_Carlson on Nov 29, 2011 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
Are you proposing a rule where a year of the ELC would burn if they were in the AHL rather than the NHL.
Doesn’t the ELC already burn in the AHL? My understanding was that if they are playing pro for the organization they lose a year on the ELC (hence Carlson losing an ELC year before he was actually an NHL rookie last year, and Holtby using up ELC years now). The ELC only gets deferred if they stay in juniors. Is this wrong?
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by Killer_Carlson on Nov 29, 2011 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
If they play as a teenager (as the age is defined in the CBA for the rule) that is not the case. See Bourque and Holtby as examples of players who didn’t lose an ELC year while playing their first pro season in the AHL. Also, expect it to happen with Grubauer this season.
Carlson’s burned because he played 10 NHL games that season as a teenager. Same with Sbisa, hit the 10GP not the 40GP.
Ah okay, I thought the slide only applied if they play in juniors.
Then yes, I’d allow teams to put a teen from the CHL in the AHL, but also make a rule that once you are playing pro your ELC kicks in no matter what. That will allow teams to get players out of the CHL if they want, but would prevent CHL teams from being raided for the AHL.
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by Killer_Carlson on Nov 29, 2011 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
Is this true? $250k to $1M? I knew that CHL players were paid — most just a stipend, I think — but that’s astonishing if they’re getting that kind of money.
I believe all receive a small stipend but the rumors of huge payouts are common. I never could get Carlson to admit what he got for decommitting from UMass …
Plenty out there on the internet in rumor form about big names and money… players like Kane, Gagner, Tavares… Rumors of huge payouts are common, but from what I’ve seen for ‘star’ players.
Going way back, there’s an old article about Kariya and a rumored offer back when he was deciding WHL or NCAA and even then it was more than 100,000 IIRC. I’ll see if I can find that article.
There’s stuff out there about more recent players, but found the Kariya article from a long time ago.
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I personally don’t think this is OT, I think it’s a very interesting hockey discussion. J.P. can overrule me if he wants to, but I’d appreciate more depth on it.
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as would I. I have serious issues with NCAA, but the think NCAA hockey is important in the US and is extremely valuable.
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Oh yeah, my issues with the NCAA are totally separate. I’d love to see the growth of NCAA hockey, notably into the DC and California regions.
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We need a good local program. I know Penn State just started one, but they’re not really “local” (and they’re having a few problems right now in some other places). It’s homer-based, but I’d love for Maryland to have one, even though their athletic department is a five-alarm shitstorm fire right now.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 29, 2011 9:29 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, Maryland isn’t really a viable option given their issues, but Navy certainly is. And as the Caps have shown/helped create, the interest in the area is there.
Navy would be wise to jump on board before Baltimore adds a pro team.
Navy’s the only campus around with its own rink, isn’t it?
Although I still think Maryland should turn Cole Fieldhouse into an ice rink (and yes, I know that’s logistically impossible for a number of reasons… But damn would it be cool."
by Murshawursha on Nov 29, 2011 9:35 AM EST up reply actions
MD’s got Herbert Wells rink a mile or two off campus. Def not as nice a set-up as Navy’s rink though, i played there a few years ago.
Yeah I play broomball there on Thursdays :P
I’ve never actually played a hockey game at Wells, but given my experience playing at Patterson Park and Wheaton Outdoor, I’d think the ice at Wells would get nasty depending on the weather since it’s open to the outside, wouldn’t it?
by Murshawursha on Nov 29, 2011 9:45 AM EST up reply actions
Our county HS playoffs were always at Wells. Gets chewed up like crazy. Heinz Field WC ice was better.
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by Alz Well That Ends Well on Nov 29, 2011 9:57 AM EST up reply actions
Penn St. is definitely not local. I’m not particularly too partial to which school gets a team, I’d just like a DC area team to capitalize on the Caps love right now.
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It’s always been weird to me that Virginia Tech is considered “local”, but Penn State is closer to DC than Blacksburg is, and they’re considered “local”. But I don’t want to get into that argument.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 29, 2011 9:32 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I wasn’t really thinking of VT. UM, Georgetown, GMU, American, whatever. Any of the schools that are right in the immediate vicinity.
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I’d love it (pipedream) if the DC schools all converted their club hockey to NCAA and created their own conference.
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UMCP seriously considered moving to the NCAA years ago when I was there (2000-2004). The only reason hockey is considered a club sport is because the university doesn’t want to fund it or pay for scholarships. Why pay for the ice time and travel if you can make the players shell out $1,000 plus a year for it? /bitterness
Even though we were club, our schedule was filled with plenty of NCAA teams, mainly D2, but a few D1 sprinkled in. My first year or two there, we played in a league with the other ACC teams but the rest of the league was awful, we’d routinely win conference games by double digits. By my third year, we went independent and played teams like Navy, IUP, and Penn State and were competitive. Not sure what the team is up to now…
by HockeyGoalie29 on Nov 29, 2011 6:31 PM EST up reply actions
I know there are actually two teams there now — one that plays against D1 and one for D3. I think there is also a separate practice squad. Some of my old players are there now and definitely enjoying it; I can try to get some more info if you’d like.
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by Alz Well That Ends Well on Nov 29, 2011 6:33 PM EST up reply actions
No kidding? Wow, the program has come a long way in the last 5-10 years.
by HockeyGoalie29 on Nov 30, 2011 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
And I’m very much with you here, Red/Rob. The NCAA is far from perfect — but a development system that is tied to education has a number of benefits for young players. To me that’s worth fighting for despite the NCAA’s shortcomings.
Heh, I don’t even care that much about the education. Obviously it has it’s benefits, no denying that. I care about the growth of the sport and I’ve seen how local collegiate athletics have grown sports in other communities. The DC area is starting to develop more quality hockey players, and if some of them could shoot for a hometown school I think that’d be a good thing (although we all realize the majority of hockey scholarships go to Canadians).
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Actually just over 30% of Division I players are Canadian. Most are from the US. Sixteen this year from MD/DC/VA.
Yeah, but that’s only if you consider kids from Minnesota and Wisconsin to not be Canadian. I’ve heard them talk, they aren’t fooling anyone.
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by Killer_Carlson on Nov 29, 2011 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
hey, whoo yoo calling Canadian, yoo hooser?
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I think college athletics is something that can drive kids to stick with a sport longer than they might otherwise. I speak from the non-revenue olympic sport side of things—there’s a very limited number of people that make worlds/olympics. NCAA was an achievement worth going for (I decided to not go down that road in the end, but I know a great many who did and they loved it). I see hockey along those same lines. NCAA gives teenage hockey players something to aim for, a way to continue playing hockey, even if they’re not going to end up pro. How many kids in the US would ditch hockey if NCAA opportunities were more limited than they are today? And that, imo, is just plain bad for USA Hockey.
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It can be, I think. I saw Notre Dame’s new building on TV few weeks ago and it was amazing.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 29, 2011 9:27 AM EST up reply actions
Both on-topic (it’s hockey) and comfortably fitting under the Nate Ewell Can Write Whatever He Wants, Whenever He Wants To rule (which, of course, has a And We Won’t Bitch To The Owner About It addendum).
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Ah yes, the famous “NECWWHWAWHWT” rule, and it’s addendum, “AWWBTTOAI”
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by Gould Old Days on Nov 29, 2011 9:36 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t care who own da Chiefs. I hate it here. Make me sick.. my hallergy… puke every time…bleeeeaaaaugh!
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by Whiter Mage on Nov 29, 2011 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
Sorry, I missed being here for this chat. There really is no motivation for the CHL to honor an LOI. One thing that needs to change is the rule as it relates to players drafted out of the USHL who then play the next season in the CHL (I’d call it a loophole, but F&B will tell me it isn’t one) (and one that benefited the Caps with Carlson.)
One thing that needs to be mentioned, even if there are caveats and issues with the policy, is the CHL education program. Not the same as an NCAA scholarship no question about that, but at least they have done something for some players…players like ‘local’ prospect, Caps draft pick Luke Lynes who went to play CIS hockey.
Undoubtedly the CHL has made strides with its education package, but I find it hard to compare to what’s offered by a Division I NCAA school.
Read that last night, and as I mentioned in the OT, I would tend to believe this from an embedded reporter more than blowhards behind a desk in Toronto or in a New York Studio:
I was in on all the pre-game and pre-practice meetings and had unfettered access to the dressing room. And I can say with 100 percent certainty that I did not see a team that was playing to have its coach fired. I did not see a team that was at odds with its coach or a team that gave any indication it felt things would get better with someone else in charge behind the bench. I saw no hint of residual resentment over Boudreau’s benching of Alex Ovechkin, nor did I see a coach who even once pointed a finger at any one of his players individually to call him out for his poor play.
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A function of how much information is out there about the Capitals. For example, Pro Hockey Talk ran an astonishing TEN articles about the Caps yesterday. Paul Maurice and the Canes only rated four articles.
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If you dabble a little farther into MSM, today on Morning Joe (MSNBC), in the crawler they included the Caps firing Boudreau and hiring Hunter, but no mention of Carolina (sorry Caniacs, but the Capitals will take all the media mentions again…)
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The Caps benefit as well when fans like David Gregory are tweeting about it. Meet the Press devotees should know already know he’s a Caps fan, but I don’t follow him on twitter or watch the show so it was a pleasant surprise that he tweeted about it.
by jopierce on Nov 29, 2011 8:04 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
It’s because they don’t have a coach killer – Staal’s only seen 50% more coaching changes in his career than Ovi.
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by J.P. on Nov 29, 2011 7:56 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I did see a note last night that Crosby won with his third coach, so perhaps Ovechkin’s third coach is the charm.
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I said it yesterday, but I think it’s worth a repeat — Jarome Iginla has never played for a single coach for 4 straight years. If Ovi’s a coach killer, then Iginla is double the coach killer.
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by Gould Old Days on Nov 29, 2011 8:44 AM EST up reply actions
But seriously — everyone who doesn’t play for Ruff, Trotz, Carlyle, and Babcock must be a worse coach killer than Ovechkin.
Coach killers don’t take 4 years to do the deed. Or if they do, they’re really bad at it.
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by Gould Old Days on Nov 29, 2011 8:50 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, I agree with you, just snarking.
I guess you could argue that he liked BB in the first 3 years, but turned on him with the accountability regime. Arnott sort of got at that point with his quote.
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Still trying to sift through everything and late to clips this morning (work thing got in the way)…is there an Arnott quote from yesterday?
Thanks in advance for pointing me in the right direction.
Arnott’s comment:
“It’s very hard,”said Arnott, whose Blues practiced on an adjacent rink. "When you let guys do what they please, what they want, then you come in and get hard on them, it’s pretty tough. The guys should have responded for him. . . .
“It was probably time for a change. I don’t know much about [Dale] Hunter. But from what I hear he’s a pretty good coach who will come in and put some structure into their lineup.
by Rather Bengt on Nov 29, 2011 10:16 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
And it seems Arny and Ovi went for dinner last night (extrapolating from Darren Pang’s twitter comment about Ovi and “a former teammate now on the Blues” dining together in Georgetown), which I like to hear. Ovi could use his leadership counselor in the midst of this turmoil (not that, you know, we ever necessarily saw any results of said counseling, but if it makes him feel better, maybe it’s good?).
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Very insightful quote from Arnott. One of the bigger indictments of the team culture under Boudreau has been Arnott’s opinions on how lax things were.
Honestly, if Bruce hadn’t lost me after Montreal, Arnott’s comments upon arrival would have done it. When an experience player comes in and basically says, “your entire way of doing things is fucked,” that’s a pretty ringing indication that either the coach isn’t telling the players the right thing or the players have stopped listening (if they were ever capable of listening).
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by D'ohboy on Nov 29, 2011 11:06 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
The team as a whole lay down like dogs. If that’s not killing the coach, I don’t know what is.
The Other Guy, as Peerless noted above, also led a team that lay down on Therrien. Pronger led a team that lay down on Stevens.
I noted this yesterday, but I can’t think of mid-season change where the end wasn’t ugly.
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I don’t think that’s what “coach killer” means. Not when the press uses it.
“Coach killer” is one single player who habitually sinks his coach.
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by Gould Old Days on Nov 29, 2011 9:16 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I get you.
I agree that the AO-as-coach-killer narrative is over the top. I think it stems from the fact that he has gleefully departed from the accepted persona of a hockey player in his flamboyance and hard living lifestyle.
If he goes back to scoring a bunch of goals, they’ll forget all this.
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Coach-killing not withstanding, I think he could stand to do a little less of the hard living.
by Murshawursha on Nov 29, 2011 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
The headline in Wharnsby’s piece almost makes it sound as if he had the facts to back up his claims — until you read it.
What you look at the garbage that’s out there from “journalists” — intentionally not counting Bill Watters — one shudders to think about what lies ahead in Coach’s Corner and the Hot Stove this weekend.
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by Rather Bengt on Nov 29, 2011 9:27 AM EST up reply actions
Quite a job on the clips today, JP. That’s an imposing list of material.
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Nov 29, 2011 9:30 AM EST up reply actions
I was on the PensBlog podcast last night (link in Clips) and they asked me what would be considered a successful season, given the coaching change. I said that I don’t think that has changed with the move – that an ECF appearance, at minimum, as it advances the ball for the current group.
Agree or disagree?
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Making it to the conference finals is all it would take for me to consider the season a success. Success means a lot of things depending on the context, but for the Caps it should just mean that they’re getting better every time around.
I wouldn’t be heartbroken if the Caps lose before that, but as long as they simply dominate, more than against Montreal (sort of like Wings on Oilers in 2006). For a success, though, I’d push it to SCF. I see Pittsburgh as the team to beat in the East, and the Caps should be able to knock off one elite team.
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by red army line on Nov 29, 2011 7:45 AM EST up reply actions
I wouldn’t be heartbroken if the Caps lose before that
I guess it depends on the situation… if they go out with a whimper or not
Yeah, and the last few years have been a bust.
by kovachs on Nov 29, 2011 8:10 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
as long as they simply dominate, more than against Montreal (sort of like Wings on Oilers in 2006)
Red Wings had something like 63% of the shots in that series.
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by red army line on Nov 29, 2011 8:43 AM EST up reply actions
I’ll be pretty furious if the Caps lose in the first round. Again. Like the game against Buffalo, no excuses.
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Thank you, kind sir. Until now, I had Motley CrĂĽe’s “Girls, Girls, Girls” in my head, but you’ve kindly kicked it out.
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by Whiter Mage on Nov 29, 2011 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
I’m one more song reference, a jean jacket and a bummed Marlboro Medium away from being right back in high school.
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by Bald Pollack on Nov 29, 2011 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
Agree, but it will be hard to play the Rangers in both the first and second rounds.
Inside of that, the team needs to show they can play playoff hockey with a killer instinct. Get up two games to none, go for the kill. Don’t let up.
And not that I care who the team plays/beats in the playoffs, but getting over the Penguins hump would count as extra credit.
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by dcsportsfan1 on Nov 29, 2011 7:53 AM EST up reply actions
In 2008, they probably overachieved just to make the playoffs out of the hole they dug.
In 2009, they were beaten by a better team at the top of its game.
In 2010, they fell backward.
In 2011, they fell backward again, a team that demonstrated it can beat only teams from Manhattan with goal-scoring issues in the playoffs.
They should have had their ECF moment by now. I probably said this, but I’ll say it again. If this team does not win a Stanley Cup — this year — they won’t. They are not likely to have this promising a collection of players at the right times of their careers again for the foreseeable future. And the crush of five straight disappointments might be too daunting. I just can’t get the image of this being the Ottawa Senators, v. 2.0, out of my head.
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by ThePeerless on Nov 29, 2011 7:53 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Besides Semin and Vokoun, which top player likely won’t be here next year? I think to suggest the window is closing is a bit of a reach. They are all in their early/mid-20’s, including Alzner, Carlson, Backstrom, Green, Neuvy, MarJo, Green, Ovi…not to mention guys like Eakin, Orlov, Brouwer.
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by dcsportsfan1 on Nov 29, 2011 8:02 AM EST up reply actions
Green played in all 82 games in 2007-2008. Since then he has missed 14, 7, 33, and 14 games (and counting). I think we’ve almost certainly seen the best individual year Ovechkin is going to have, his reliability as a 30-goal scorer a matter that might be debated. After that, where does the reliable offense come from. Backstrom is having a whale of a year, considering, and I think his game doesn’t deteriorate with age.
As for goaltending, I don’t know that folks are as sold on Neuvirth and Holtby as they might have been 50 games into last season. Hopefully, this year is merely a speed bump on the ride. But if the Caps are going to shop for a veteran goaltender, they aren’t likely to get one as accomplished as Vokoun, especially at the price (which enables them to do other things).
The window won’t be closed, but I would look at the next three years as being less likely to produce a Stanley Cup winner than the last three (including this one) should have been. And that is, more or less, the window you’ve got.
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Personally, I don’t see how the next couple of years should be markedly different, chance-wise from this year (I do agree that 2009-10 was a fantastic opportunity lost).
I find it hard to imagine Ovechkin getting worse than he is right now (I know, bite my tongue), and there are still-young players all over the roster and system getting better. Semin will be gone, so there’s money there.
Essentially, I don’t see any long-term commitments to players who should be in major decline beyond where they currently are, and some replacement talent in the pipeline. I’d lump this year in with the next few, not the last few, I guess.
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A 2012 lotto pick would certainly help a lot (as would two).
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by red army line on Nov 29, 2011 8:45 AM EST up reply actions
What is hard to predict is chemistry. And I think that is where the Caps are going to have to find the charm (Boston certainly did it with a team that didn’t have the Caps’ talent). I don’t see the team over the next few years as being one superior in talent to the ones that have preceded it. And if there has been one character trait for this team that boils down to one word, it has been “fragile.” They desperately need another adjective.
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The other wild card here is going to be the next CBA and whether there are any significant give-backs and/or changes in salary cap formulae. Whether the Caps can hang on to Carlson, Alzner, and Green might depend on that. But again, a big honking unknown that can’t be predicted.
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If “legendary, all-time historic goaltending” is the same as “chemistry” then OK. I think a lot of lessons are being pulled from Boston winning the Cup. The first, and really only, lesson IMO is “if your goalie plays better than anyone ever, including Pekka Rinne, then you can win a Cup.” If Vokoun goes and sets all sorts of records then I think people will overlook the alleged deficiencies with the Caps because they’ll win a lot of post-season games.
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by Rob Parker on Nov 29, 2011 8:57 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
It should be remembered that Tim Thomas had a great final, but he had his adventures in earlier playoff rounds, too. He coughed up two-goal and one-goal leads in Game 7 of the opening round; he allowed. Tampa Bay scored five goals four times in their 7-game series, although he really came up huge when it mattered.
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Tampa scored 5 goals 4 times, but he came up big when it mattered? I guess that’s true, but if Tim Thomas wasn’t backed by good offense himself he wouldn’t. Losing 4/7 doesn’t allow you to “come up big when it matters”
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That’s really the point. Tim Thomas wasn’t “Tim Thomas” in every game. Boston got it from a lot of places.
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So is SJS’ window closed?
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by Rob Parker on Nov 29, 2011 8:40 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Will be once all their vets are UFA in 2014 (Thornton, Marleau, Boyle, notably).
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by red army line on Nov 29, 2011 8:44 AM EST up reply actions
Not to speak for F&B (but kinda am), I think the point is while the “first ones” might not have initially done it, the “next ones” are complementary enough to maybe inject new lift and vitality into the mix to get them deeper than they have before.
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by Bald Pollack on Nov 29, 2011 8:46 AM EST up reply actions
I’ll add that if 5 years is too many years for the Caps to waste, SJS is a couple years ahead on the curve (and made a couple WCF appearances after firing a successful regular season coach…). So SJS is still contenders, buoyed by prospects that have stepped in after people got used to the stars. I don’t see why the Caps can’t be on a similar path. Assuming Kuz comes over, and assuming they don’t blow it with COL’s pick next year, that’s two high-end talents that should be joining the team on the cheap in the next few years. And Carlson and Alzner still haven’t hit 300 games.
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by Rob Parker on Nov 29, 2011 8:50 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
For what it’s worth, some of the high-end talent that the Sharks have acquired has come about through either drafting good players and trading them away (Brent Burns was acquired for Devin Setoguchi (former first-rounder), Charlie Coyle (former first rounder), and a pick; Havlat was acquired for Heatley, who was acquired in a trade for Jonathan Cheechoo (2nd rounder) and Milan Michalek (first rounder)) or by trading away good players for high draft picks (e.g., the pick used to acquire Couture was acquired in the Vesa Toskala trade).
That’s an organziation that has done a really good job of keeping their window open, both through astute drafting and trading acumen.
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by Wheeler on Nov 29, 2011 10:34 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
No question that while they have had a hard time getting over the hump in the playoffs, Wilson has done a good job talent acquisition wise.
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by Carl Putnam on Nov 29, 2011 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
Also, to be fair, I think the Caps have done a much better job since the 2005 draft of picking talented players in later rounds. Players like Perreault, Eakin, Galiev, and Orlov were all drafted in the second round or later, and all seem to be legitimate NHL prospects (though Perreault’s time is running out, it would appear).
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Pretty much. They are who they are, a very talented team that just hasnt had the mix they’ve needed to get those last 16 wins. What about that team this year would make anyone think it will end differntly?
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I think expectations need to be lowered, and my guess is that the Caps’ brass has lowered them internally, but won’t externally.
IMO, the odds of winning a Cup this year declined with the coaching change. I support the change as a long term move, but I’m less optimistic about this season, if only because it typically takes time, including an off-season, for a coach to truly have an impact. If nothing else, witness the fact that the two assistant coaches haven’t changed and, presumably, could be preaching similar philosophy. I also think a failure in the spring is much more explainable to fans and acceptable to fans with the coaching change.
The only reason to maintain expectations is the raw talent of the team. For expectations to be maintained, you have to believe that the coaching change was less about Boudreau and Hunter and more about simply a different voice.
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You think they’d make a move that they thought put them further from the Cup in the short-term?
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Yes, I think the move was more long term than short term. This is not the same as adding rental players at the trading deadline. Hunter will not be fired if he fails to achieve a Cup this year. Had he made it that far, Boudreau most certainly would have.
Changing coaches buys the franchise time with the media and the fans. Hunter has a pass for 2011-2012. We’ll be reading in 10 months about Hunter’s summer and his first real chance to put “his system” in. If that summer follows a Cup, then expectations will be higher. If that summer follows a first-round exit, the summer will be described as retooling and regrouping.
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Nah. ECF appearance and Bruce was safe. It was all about progression – if there was some, no reason to fire him.
I do agree that Hunter has that slack that’s inherent in a mid-season move (which, of course, is why I believe it shouldn’t have been a mid-season move, but rather one made over the summer).
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I share your perspective. Although I’ve waffled here on the coaching change, I agree wholeheartedly that a change in June is far better than a change in November.
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Eastern Conference Finals and they have to at least be competitive in the series. Otherwise, we’re just treading water again.
I look at the Hunter hiring as a positive. I thought the team had topped out with Boudreau. This should improve their prospects IMO.
I agree. The team needs to take a step forward, and that means getting out of the 2nd round.
Failure is always an option.
I struggle with all these comments that the team must get out of the second round or the season is not a success.
When you make such ultimatums, I assume they are followed by the phrase, "and if they don’t . . . "
So – what if they don’t? You wouldn’t change the coac0h after hiring an new one during the season, would you? Do blow up the team at that point?
Prior to yesterday, it was clear to me – don’t advance past the 2nd round and Boudreau is gone. Now, I’m not so sure.
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So – what if they don’t?
Then Semin is certainly gone. You potentially let go of Mike Green depending on whether he’s healthy or if the trend of missing significant time/being 50% in the playoffs continues. That may not constitute blowing up the core since Ovechkin and Backstrom, but it does constitute the end of the Young Guns.
That’s what most are assuming because he’s playing like shit, even by Bad Sasha standards. If it keeps up there’s no question he’s gone. But I expect some hot streaks too which will complicate the decision.
Depends on next CBA and whether he’ll take a ~25%, at least, pay cut (not holding my breath).
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by red army line on Nov 29, 2011 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
Oh Damien, always right on with your analysis…
On a team that seems to have a rotten core with Ovechkin, Alexander Semin, Nicklas Backstrom and Mike Green, that’s a big chore.
Although I do agree with his premise about making the jump from OHL to NHL w/ zero coaching experience in AHL or NHL. Very much a concern to me and the history of OHL to NHL coaches does not bode well for Hunts and the Caps.
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by J.P. on Nov 29, 2011 8:00 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Or that Backstrom is rotten.
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by BetterOffWith28 on Nov 29, 2011 8:33 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
BTW, “The Ovechkin Project” clocking in at #71,398 on Amazon Best Seller List. #68 in hockey books, behind the 2012 San Jose Sharks calendar (I would insert, “but there’s no June in this calender” joke here but glass houses and stones…) but above Sid v Ovi-Natural Born Rivals.
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Irony… #68 in hockey… heh
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by Bald Pollack on Nov 29, 2011 9:02 AM EST up reply actions
It’d make him wiser without that rug under his nose.
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by Gould Old Days on Nov 29, 2011 9:06 AM EST up reply actions
You gotta have a face for it. Hunter’s more man than I’ll ever be (I shook his hand once, and it was an absolute bear paw), but he don’t look good with facial hair.
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by Gould Old Days on Nov 29, 2011 9:14 AM EST up reply actions
Are we beating a dead horse?
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by J.P. on Nov 29, 2011 9:19 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Kind of more of a weasel. Or caterpillar.
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by Gould Old Days on Nov 29, 2011 9:22 AM EST up reply actions
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Nov 29, 2011 9:34 AM EST up reply actions
He kinda looks like he could be Bill Murray’s surlier older brother (not Brian Doyle-Murray).
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 29, 2011 9:21 AM EST up reply actions
Wouldn’t that just be Brian Dennehy?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 29, 2011 10:38 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Semin was one of the only players not quoted anywhere or recorded anywhere. To me, that shows a lot regarding the divide between he and Boudreau (or that Sergei kept him farther from the press yesterday). I definitely think reporters tried to talk to him, considering he was benched for a whole game.
by jopierce on Nov 29, 2011 8:39 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
From most of the things I’ve heard, Semin and Boudreau didn’t have a bad relationship, per se… but no relationship at all.
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Semin pretty much will only talk to Tarik, no?
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From the reports out of KCI, Hunter was using him to interpret for Orlov yesterday (seriously).
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I’m assuming that GMGM had given Hunter the heads up that Semin and BB had no relationship. Based on that knowledge isn’t going to Semin and connecting with him to be the interpreter a strong move? I read that as a big positive.
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by Beakers Lab on Nov 29, 2011 9:57 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Kind of a savvy move on Hunter’s part, IMO… He could have gone to Ovechkin, but asking Semin helps him build a rapport and makes Semin feel more involved and important right off the bat.
by Murshawursha on Nov 29, 2011 9:03 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed. It was a great move.
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No way. It just tells AO he don’t think he can do it, or worse, he’s not worth it. Rift!
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by Rob Parker on Nov 29, 2011 9:09 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
In the bit of practice video the Caps posted Semin looks pretty happy.
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He’s probably going to go on a ridiculous tear, given that I just traded him in fantasy.
by Murshawursha on Nov 29, 2011 9:07 AM EST up reply actions
I hope you picked up someone like Colton Orr to help you stay competitive in the PIM category.
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by Rob Parker on Nov 29, 2011 9:13 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Slightly deviating from the topic at hand, but in any league that counts hits, shorthanded goals, shorthanded points, or other such categories, he’s pretty awesome. Oh, and he’s gonna score 20 this year – book it.
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He’s decent in ours, but we have minus points for PIMs, so he’s a wash.
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by Whiter Mage on Nov 29, 2011 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
Happy, helpful Sasha

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by bagace on Nov 29, 2011 9:20 AM EST up reply actions 6 recs
Hunter: “…and I’ll twist it sideways next time if he doesn’t start scoring, you better believe it.”
Sasha: “Hahahaha…he kidding…I think.”
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by fat_daddyo on Nov 29, 2011 9:30 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Orlov: “Sasha looks happy you’re here.”
Hunter: “You sure?”
Semin: “Oh crap…I’m gonna die….”
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by ThePeerless on Nov 29, 2011 11:20 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
if Green said anything, I’ve missed it so far.
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With some element of masochism, you need to read the entire Cox article to appreciate this paragraph. FWIW, I think much of the article is well-written and supports his thesis that the jump from OHL to NHL is too big. He makes some fair points.
He then loses readers like us by making an unnecessary, gratuitous dig at Ovechkin and the Caps in his final paragraphs.
Only thing missing is a dig at Ted.
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FWIW, I think much of the article is well-written and supports his thesis that the jump from OHL to NHL is too big. He makes some fair points.
I do agree with that.
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Right. Staal didn’t “pull the chute” like Ovi only because you didn’t see him call Maurice a “slender fuck” on TV. Who knows what went on behind the scenes in Carolina? I bet Damien doesn’t know.
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Ignore the last two or three paragraphs. Read the rest.
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The “fat fuck” stuff is such a joke. To implicitly pretend that other great players didn’t have moments of disagreement with their coaches is ridiculous, and the manner in which Ovechkin handled that – not getting in the coach’s face, not refusing to take his next shift, but muttering to himself – was damn-near ideal.
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by J.P. on Nov 29, 2011 8:13 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
And for coaches or bosses of any kind to pretend that their players/employees don’t mutter under their breath or talk in hallways about them is just ludicrous. No boss/coach has a 100% approval rating 100% of the time.
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I would be dissapointed if he, or any of the other players, weren’t pissed about not being on the ice in a critical situation.
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by dcsportsfan1 on Nov 29, 2011 8:29 AM EST up reply actions
Of course.
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by J.P. on Nov 29, 2011 8:34 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Just read a little tome by Sam Smith titled “the Jordan Rules”
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 29, 2011 8:36 AM EST up reply actions
At one point last season I think Chimera was scratched and he was pretty upset. He didn’t say anything about Bruce, but he reacted very strongly. It’s normal to want to play and normal to be upset when you can’t.
by jopierce on Nov 29, 2011 8:43 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I was pretty sure simply announcing that Mike Keenan had been hired created a rift.
by Murshawursha on Nov 29, 2011 9:39 AM EST up reply actions
My favorite was the comments from the radio personalities: “there’s the ‘fat fuck’ incident, I mean we all know it happens all the time to everyone who plays sports, but it was caught on TV and that makes it an issue.” Mind you the context of that sentence was that there was issues, not defending the fact that they were talking about it. I hate the radio sometimes.
Another great moment from Alan May’s Smackdown of Milbury last night: Milbury commented how ‘we all saw Alex say something bad about his coach on the bench,’ to which Alan rebuffed that when he played for Milbury in Boston, he use to call him much worse.
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by bagace on Nov 29, 2011 10:40 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Dock Trucker?
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by Whiter Mage on Nov 29, 2011 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
Schlock Plucker?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 29, 2011 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
I am not convinced he even said “fat fuck” could have been “what the fuck”
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Esa, what do you think Alex Ovechkin said to Bruce: “Frucka Rettro Puck Gooden Whistle.” Ok. That’s clears it up.
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by Bonzai!!! on Nov 29, 2011 11:39 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Or maybe he had been watching The Honeymooners to learn English and he wanted to dance the Hucklebuck?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 29, 2011 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
I can’t add anything to this that hasn’t already been added. Fat fucks!
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by Whiter Mage on Nov 29, 2011 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
Damien, holding a grudge is so 2009….
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Nov 29, 2011 9:31 AM EST up reply actions
Alan May telling Milbury they’d brawl and Hunter would take them all down was pretty priceless. Milbury’s comments were the ravings of a guy who can’t get past his disdain for certain people, but seeing Alan May stick up for the Caps was great.
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Still hoping there’s a video of this somewhere.
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by capsyoungguns on Nov 29, 2011 8:20 AM EST up reply actions
It was on Versus pre-game.
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That’s Steinberg’s job. Anyone ask him yet?
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I did last night. No response (but then he did tweet something he shouldn’t have earlier so he might have been laying low). I also tweeted JoeYerdonPHT after he posted a link to the intermission report (Milbury/Jones – blech)
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Thought this from Tarik was a little odd:
Following another early playoff exit by the Capitals this past spring, many, including former players, criticized the team for being too accommodating to its stars. But Boudreau’s attempts to bring accountability to the team served only to single out players such as Ovechkin and Alexander Semin and further the locker room divide.
Does anyone else think that Boudreau’s accountability kick only singled out 8 and 28? Not Vokoun? And Johansson? And Ward? And Halpern? And Hamrlik and Wideman? And so on?
There may be a “locker room divide” that exists and can only be hinted at (I guess), but I’m not sure that it’s evidenced or exacerbated by what I thought was pretty even-handed (if at times ridiculous) accountability.
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by J.P. on Nov 29, 2011 8:22 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I don’t think it was…If anything, it was too even-handed, too obvious. It was not Bruce, that style, and the comparison made yesterday about difficulty of going from the teddy bear to the grizzly bear for a single team team was spot on.
Cross check and all call.
It was unrealistic to bench Hamrlik despite his terrible play because defensemen were injured and you needed him to play. I wonder whether Bruce’s message was “if you make mistakes, you’ll suffer consequences” when there was no way that was going to happen consistently. Schultz would have most likely been a scratch if Erskine hadn’t hurt his shoulder during practice. It’s a mixed message because I think the message was skewed.
by jopierce on Nov 29, 2011 8:53 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I agree with the skewed message you reference. Complicating the new accountability install was Bruce’s penchant for mixing up the lines so frequently, which got even worse when things were spiraling downwards.
These guys will respond to Hunts, I’m feeling more and more sure. Whether that leads to more wins, and how many when it counts, will be fun to watch.
Cross check and all call.
Short term uptick I am sure. I am interested in seeing how they look come the end of Jan-early Feb.
by Rather Bengt on Nov 29, 2011 9:09 AM EST up reply actions
The team was definitely in a death spiral. That comes from a rift between the room and a coach.
The source of the rift? We probably don’t have enough info – well, JP might, but I certainly don’t – to determine.
I’m tyring to figure out how much I should read between the lines of what JP is saying…
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Great minds, eh.
I definitely think he’s trying to force a bit of a narrative there. If anything, you could argue that Vokoun, MoJo, and Ward got the hammer much quicker than Semin. It took weeks of bad play and 7 straight games with a PIM for Semin to sit. Not exactly “singling him out” kind of behavior. AO missed, what, a shift? It got a ton of attention, but if that’s “singling out” then Hamr and Wideman sitting for entire periods (or close to it) has to be in the same mention.
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I was up, just left myself the bare minimum to get out the door and to work. Didn’t have time to chime in until I got set up.
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I’d disagree. I think some players (Ward, Johansson, Halpern) accept the “accountability” actions since they’re either mature (Ward, Halpern), or humbled by their lack of experience (Johansson).
The divide wasn’t between those who were called out by BB and those who weren’t, but rather, between those who accepted it and those who did not.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 29, 2011 8:35 AM EST up reply actions
no one takes more pride, or more child-like glee, in having been a Cap than Yvon Labre. I love getting to hear him talk.
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When I was 14, very gangly and awkward, I tripped over my own feet on the steps at Cap Centre going down to the glass for warmups. With a 50-foot tumble down the stairway in front of me I was saved when Yvon Labre caught me and set me on my feet. Gave me his autograph and chatted for a couple of minutes. I was a bit star-struck. Very nice guy.
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by fat_daddyo on Nov 29, 2011 9:38 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Aw. Good story.
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That’s great! Wish my story was that awesome.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 29, 2011 9:55 AM EST up reply actions
I watched Yvon play when I was a kid but I don’t remember much, but then he was a defensive defenseman, so he was doing his job. I do know what I’ve seen and talked to him at games, and the man is a true gentleman, has been a fine ambassador for the Caps and hockey in general, and has a sneaky sense of humor….
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Nov 29, 2011 9:38 AM EST up reply actions
Trade?
Last night on twitter Darren Millard reported that Kyper told him that the ducks are actively shopping Bobby Ryan. So I say this:
to WSH: Bobby Ryan, Conditional draft pick
to ANA: Alex Semin, Jeff Schultz, WAS 2nd round pick (not COL’s) in this year’s draft.
yea or nay?
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I just thought it would be an interesting topic to discuss if it would help the team. Sorry.
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by hankthetank5503 on Nov 29, 2011 8:48 AM EST up reply actions
No, great topic to discuss. I have had enough of the Gabby firing.
Personally, that conditional pick would have to be pretty high to justify that trade.
by Moonage Daydream on Nov 29, 2011 9:35 AM EST up reply actions
That deal only works if Anaheim includes Perry, Getzlaf, Hiller, and Parros with Ryan.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 29, 2011 9:10 AM EST up reply actions
You mean…. we could have GETZLAF?
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by ThePeerless on Nov 29, 2011 9:41 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Um, you are aware that Anaheim has to agree to any trade, right?
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by Gould Old Days on Nov 29, 2011 8:48 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
someone had to agree to the varly trade too. ryan is playing like garbage this year so far. stupid lopsided trades happen every year.
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by hankthetank5503 on Nov 29, 2011 8:50 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, the Varly trade is a good point. At this point I’d take that for Semin. I think any talk about moving Semin for a guy like Ryan or Suter is a pipe dream. Semin is at a sell-low point with a KHL flight risk.
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I don’t understand why the Ducks would do that. They’re woefully thin and don’t have much of a farm. They have goaltending, RPG, and Etem coming up as their future. Ryan is young enough, and old enough, that trading him for a younger player is likely a step backward.
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by red army line on Nov 29, 2011 8:50 AM EST up reply actions
They also have Palmieri, Holland, and Smith-Pelly (who I think has shown some promise so far). Not a ton of depth, but if those guys can pan out they might be alright. They are hurting on D, though. I actually think they might be interested in Schultz, but not at the cost of Ryan.
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What’s the condition? And what about Semin’s game makes anyone think he’d be a good fit for ANA?
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something like semin scoring 30 goals or playing in 70 games. The ducks are an offense-first team that plays a run a gun style with a struggling power play. he could help them with that.
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by hankthetank5503 on Nov 29, 2011 8:53 AM EST up reply actions
The Ducks are also a physical and nasty North American-style team that has run floaters out of town before (notably Lupul). I don’t think they’d put up with Semin’s attitude.
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Are there any teams that would? McPhee indicated yesterday that the Caps have been actively exploring the trade market. One has to think Semin’s name has come up in discussions.
And what about Semin’s game makes anyone think he’d be a good fit for ANA?
Well he does take a lot of penalties…
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by D'ohboy on Nov 29, 2011 12:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Semin shoulnd’t a did that.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Nov 29, 2011 1:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Bobby Ryan isn’t worth that much.
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He’s worth a lot but Anaheim is looking for a star D man, or several depth players. No team will have something to offer who also needs a player like Ryan.
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Nashville has atrocious depth on defense. They’re held together by Suter/Weber and not much else. I can see them moving forwards but I don’t see Poile bringing a winger with no one to help him out.
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by D'ohboy on Nov 29, 2011 12:13 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Is this a way to get Jeff Schultz out of town?
I don’t think Bobby Ryan is worth Semin and Schultz, let alone an additional draft pick. I’d want Ryan and Sbisa, realistically, but I’d hate to give up Schultz in this.
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by Whiter Mage on Nov 29, 2011 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
And Semin’s a UFA. At the end of this year, Anaheim would be left with a #4 defenseman and a 2nd round pick. I think they want more of a long term return for Bobby Ryan (and rightly so).
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by Gould Old Days on Nov 29, 2011 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
Good point, now that I look at it.
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by Whiter Mage on Nov 29, 2011 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
I haven’t looked yet, but calling Schultz a 4D may be kind. He’d certainly be that in ANA, but perhaps not in the NHL at large.
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Given the current state of the Ducks D corps he might be in their first pairing.
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by Carl Putnam on Nov 29, 2011 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
The way Fowler has played in the couple of Ducks games I’ve seen this season I’m not so sure.
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by Carl Putnam on Nov 29, 2011 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
They are completely different skill sets and roles. There is zero chance Jeff Schultz becomes the puck mover on the top pair of any team. He’d be fighting for Beauchemin’s spot as the defensive conscience of the pair. You think he takes over Beauch?
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No, of course not. I’m saying you’d be better off with two defensive D-men given how poorly Fowler is making decisions which I relaize is a large indictment. Not that he’s the only one. He’ll be fine in the long term I’m sure, but right now he’s high up on their list of issues.
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I’m not ready to stick a fork in Schultz yet. Let’s see how this change affects him. I think Schultz’s struggles lately have been similar to Hamrlik, and I believe they’re both good defensemen. They may just have been asked to do the wrong things, given their talents.
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by Gould Old Days on Nov 29, 2011 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
You mean that it’s unwise to allow the opponent to skate unchallenged through neutral ice, then ask mobility-challenged defensemen to miraculously stop them at the blue line?
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Tellin’ you what. I think maybe in the CAR game that the Caps had command of neutral. All the other times – and this is off the top of my head, so correct me if I’m wrong – the other guys had all of neutral to build up a head of steam and bust into the attack.
It was appalling.
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So it left guys like Hamrlik and Schultz to cover them while essentially standing still at the blue line.
The reason that Alzner and Green looked so good in BB’s “system” is that they could both read the play very, very well and they’re both phenomenal skaters. Alzner, in particular, accelerates backward quite quickly.
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Speed certainly helps when you get hung out to dry 8 times a game…
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by iwearstripes on Nov 29, 2011 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
One place I could see Semin going – if he does get traded – is to Nashville.
Poile has a history of trading with the Caps, and he’s got a history of bringing in big-name offensive players (Kariya, Forsberg) when he thinks he may have a shot in the playoffs. This is pretty much Nashville’s “moment” with Suter and Weber possibly headed out the door next summer. Semin would instantly give the Preds the kind of elite offensive talent they’ve lacked since Radulov bolted and would make them a serious Cup contender out west.
In return, I’d say the Caps could hope for something like Spaling, Wilson or Blom + a first or second.
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I couldn’t see Nashville taking on a KHL flight risk.
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by Whiter Mage on Nov 29, 2011 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
I still don’t see it. Poile doesn’t seem like the kind of guy who would take a rental for the cost a team like the Caps would want for Semin.
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by Whiter Mage on Nov 29, 2011 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
Brendan Witt for a 1st round pick, anyone?
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by Killer_Carlson on Nov 29, 2011 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
Was that the Varly pick?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 29, 2011 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
We’re still waiting on the total “fruits” of that deal, because of what the Caps flipped Varlamov for.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 29, 2011 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
Amazing how when you follow the trail what one little trade does.
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We used to have fun with the Scott Stevens trade and all the picks the Caps got off of that deal.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 29, 2011 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
The pick that keeps on giving. IIRC, Witt was one of the compensation picks when Stevens left.
Stevens—>Witt—>Varly—>???
He was, as was Sergei Gonchar.
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2000-Nov-15 Draft pick rights traded from Edmonton Oilers with Bill Guerin to Boston Bruins for Anson Carter, round 1 pick in the 2001 draft (Ales Hemsky), round 2 pick in the 2001 draft (Doug Lynch) and conditional pick in the 2003 draft
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 29, 2011 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
In fairness, Poile loves giving the Flyers a ton of shit with little return.
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by Whiter Mage on Nov 29, 2011 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
Still, they were part of a larger string of trades between Poile and Philly. My point was that Philly did manage to get some assets back from him, not just shit.
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Whiter Mage was saying that NSH gave PHI a bunch of stuff and got shit back, so you are on the same side.
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by Killer_Carlson on Nov 29, 2011 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
He did…I’m not sure you’re reading WM’s statement right. Poile loves:
to Flyers → useful players
to NSH → shit/poo/nothing/Corvo
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by Killer_Carlson on Nov 29, 2011 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
Ok, now that I go back I think I read it wrong. Fail.
But we are all saying the same thing, regardless.
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by Killer_Carlson on Nov 29, 2011 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
NSH got glass-ankle Forsberg, didn’t they? Not exactly poo, but a far cry from healthy-in-his-prime Forsberg.
by Murshawursha on Nov 29, 2011 5:12 PM EST up reply actions
They got:
15p in 17 regular season games and 4p in 5 post-season games. Pretty good, not vintage Foppa though.
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Yeah, those numbers are nothing to sneeze at for sure.
by Murshawursha on Nov 30, 2011 4:36 AM EST up reply actions
I thought that was Waddell’s specialty?
by Murshawursha on Nov 29, 2011 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
Other way around. Waddell got the little return and gave up a ton of shit.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 29, 2011 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
But hey, there’s still hope for Angelo Esposito…whoops…
Or hey, what about Niclas Bergf….oh….
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 29, 2011 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
Well, the Hossa trade wasn’t terrible. He was leaving after that year, and he got Esposito, a first, Eric (Erik?) Christensen, and Colby Armstrong for Pascal Dupuis.
Right… giving the Flyers a ton of shit with little return :P
by Murshawursha on Nov 29, 2011 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
Poile? The guy who drafted Volchkov and Radulov taking on an enigmatic Russian flight risk (with 2/3 of his big three left to sign)? I have a hard time seeing that.
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by J.P. on Nov 29, 2011 10:53 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I could see it if he’s looking at Semin as a rental for just this season. However, I’m not sure if I see Nashville as actually being in position for that.
Failure is always an option.
They’re spending to the cap now, so making a stab at Semin is a possibility. I can see him being viable in Nashville due to lack of press. Plausible, maybe not. Semin I don’t think is much of a KHL flight risk though — I think he prefers the anonymity of America over Russia. Once he is back to the KHL, he won’t have the language barrier to hide behind at least.
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Rental.
The idea is to show commitment to winning so that Suter and Weber re-sign. Also, given the tight budget NSH operates on, I could see his acquisition as being revenue positive if NSH can make it through a couple of playoff rounds.
To be clear, I don’t see Poile making that trade as a long-term acquisition.
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I haven’t seen STL games since their coaching change. Has anyone seen any of their recent games and noticed any change in system or new trends in their game since Hitch took over?
I can’t comment on systems, but I know they had good underlying numbers before and were a bit snake bit. I saw the STL/LAK game and I thought for the most part STL looked really good… when Jackman wasn’t on the ice handing the puck to Kopitar.
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Was there word that they could be getting Perron back in the near future?
by Rather Bengt on Nov 29, 2011 9:12 AM EST up reply actions
So Joe Thornton will be making guest appearances at Blues’ practices soon?
by Rather Bengt on Nov 29, 2011 9:17 AM EST up reply actions
The one thing I’ve heard is that Brian Elliot has been on fire, leading the league in GAA (1.31) and Save% (.951).
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Funny, it’s the one game a season I don’t root for the Caps..
Anyway, since Hitchcock took over the OK has gotten better and the teams defensively has played sharper (except for the Kings game where Jackman thought he was in sliver & black). The powerplay still is an issue, saying it’s weak is being kind, BUT the goaltending has been outstanding, specifically Elliott who has really stepped up.
Halak’s going tonight, and it looks like the Blues are going with a tandem, more than one overall #1 goalie.
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by UIWWildthing on Nov 29, 2011 9:32 AM EST up reply actions
Good luck to you brother.
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by Bald Pollack on Nov 29, 2011 9:34 AM EST up reply actions
Welcome mate.
I am a Berglund fan and although I haven’t seen a lot of recent Blues games, the ones I saw earlier in the year he looked off. Am I correct?
by Rather Bengt on Nov 29, 2011 9:40 AM EST up reply actions
You’re a Berglund fan? Who knew? You’ve never said that before.
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He's been snakebit this year
He’s gotten plenty of chances, but hasn’t been able to finish them so far. Not sure if he’s off, or just in a slump, or just bad luck, but he’s definitely struggling at the moment offensively.
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by UIWWildthing on Nov 29, 2011 9:43 AM EST up reply actions
A cock sucking drain on my fantasy teams.
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by Killer_Carlson on Nov 29, 2011 1:15 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
He's gone from Chris GODDAMN Stewart
To GODDAMN Chris Stewart
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by UIWWildthing on Nov 29, 2011 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
That was the family friendly version.
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by Killer_Carlson on Nov 29, 2011 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
Sounds like a fun guy.
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by Rainbow, Kitty, Beer on Nov 29, 2011 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
That’ll change tonight.
Once you take the fisting element out, it's not romantic anymore.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Nov 29, 2011 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
Oh goody… Halak… not a name we like around these parts…
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Nov 29, 2011 9:40 AM EST up reply actions
Eh, that’s so 2 seasons ago. He hasn’t been too hot out in StL. Besides, Caps beat him last season 4-1.
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True that, but the memory is still fresh…still painful. Not Pat Lafontaine scoring at 2 AM painful, but painful nonetheless…
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Nov 29, 2011 9:58 AM EST up reply actions
Things I’d like to see from our new overlord coaching regime
- Retire the hard hat. Nothing against it in general, but it’s a very Boudreau thing, and it’s kind of juvenile. Everyone should wear a hard hat every night.
- Some steady lines and pairings (health permitting). Accountability starts with the guys to the left and right of you. If lines know they will succeed or fail together, and one of them’s not carrying the water, then it’s up to the other two guys to get him doing the right thing. Constant line shifting doesn’t let that happen.
- Emphasis on fundamentals. Win faceoffs. Skate hard. Forecheck and back check. When the opportunity presents, hit and hit hard. This team needs a simple system right now. One where the stars are depended on to score and the role players play their roles.
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by Gould Old Days on Nov 29, 2011 9:21 AM EST reply actions 12 recs
Well said Gouldie. I would be happy with all three listed here. The fundamentals especially.
by Rather Bengt on Nov 29, 2011 9:23 AM EST up reply actions
I love that second bullet, and it’s something that I don’t think has really been pointed out in the line juggling conversations.
Obviously I agree with the third. I see the point on the first but I’m not sure I agree and don’t care too much regardless. I thought the players started the hard hat organically. If that’s the case, and they want it, why not let them keep it? I don’t think Hunter needs to do things to bust up the old culture just to show he’s the new boss.
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I kind of like the hard hat. I think it builds team camaraderie. Couldn’t agree more with #2 and #3.
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by ThePeerless on Nov 29, 2011 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
To be clear, I said what I said because I thought it was Boudreau’s idea.
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by Gould Old Days on Nov 29, 2011 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
Chris Clark brought it from Calgary
"But it has a lotta heart!"
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by HolyJumpin on Nov 29, 2011 11:38 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
See, I think now is the time for line juggling and trying to see what works. This is Hunter’s time to move guys around.
Well, I think Gouldie’s referring to long-term here – juggle them around for a bit until you see what works, then keep them fairly consistent. Nothing wrong with the new coach seeing what he’s got in his team but at some point it would be nice if he just found the combos he liked and left them.
Does anyone know what he was like in London, whether he was a notorious line-shuffler or not? I’ve heard that he’s not as much of a “roll four lines” coach but I wasn’t sure if that meant he keeps the lines pretty steady or juggles them like BB/Laviolette/Quenneville.
The definition of being a Caps fan is watching the same team over and over and expecting different results.
Strongly agree with all three points. The last one is something that has been annoying me since Bruce took over. Not as much the faceoffs and skating hard, but the forechecking and backchecking. Seems to be pretty lazy at times. Get some sustained offensive zone pressure and try to prevent so many odd man rushes where your goalies are left out to dry.
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by twistedlogic on Nov 29, 2011 9:24 AM EST up reply actions
Hunts was talking a lot about back pressure in his scrum yesterday and speed going in both directions…
Cross check and all call.
I was watching Wild/Lightning last night and I hope the Caps play a similar style. It’s straight out of the EA NHL series commentary but the Wild were like dogs on raw meat. TB barely had a chance to exit the zone cleanly due to the forecheck and the backcheck was just as good. Caps have more talent up and down the roster than the Wild; they just need to play with the same will to win that Minnesota does.
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I heard an interview yesterday with Inglorious Backes on HNIC radio and he said the emphasis on fundamentals is what is making the Blues so successful now. It is cliche, but the proof is their improved record.
I can understand that. I am sure with a coach like Hitch that was a given he would focus on fundamentals right off the bat when taking over.
by Rather Bengt on Nov 29, 2011 9:32 AM EST up reply actions
I’d like to hear where folks think Hunter should take this team. I think there are two fundamental options. There’s the Vancouver line-matching option, which might look something like:
Ovechkin-Backstrom-Semin (out for every O-zone and opponent 3rd D pairing shift)
Ward-Laich-Knuble (out for every D-zone and opponent top line shift)
Chimera-Johansson-Brouwer
4th line
And there’s the more balanced option, which looks like what we’ve been seeing this year.
If Ovechkin and Semin aren’t going to be defensive studs, then maybe you treat them like the Sedins. Worked pretty well last year. And I don’t see that as inconsistent with Hunter’s ethic.
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by Gould Old Days on Nov 29, 2011 9:32 AM EST up reply actions
I’d go with the balanced option, but use line-matching more.
Ovie-Backs-Brouwer (Lots of O-zone and neutral zone faceoffs, and try to put them against the 3rd d-pairing)
Semin-Johansson-Knuble (Soft starts, nearly all in the O/neutral zone)
Chimera-Laich-Ward (Lots of D-zone starts, put them out against the top line)
Hendricks-Halpern-Beagle/MP/Eakin (Most of the remaining D-zone starts, especially against 2nd lines)
Failure is always an option.
I’d switch up Knubes and Brouwer. Line 2 could use a big time hitter and Knubes is at his best playing on line 1.
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I posted a variation on this question, with a poll, as a fanpost.
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by Gould Old Days on Nov 29, 2011 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
Hard hat may be retired, but half the teams in the league do something similar. Boston has something like that too. I don’t see it as detrimental, even if it is bush league.
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They awarded it in perpetuity to Recchi after the SCF, and he’s getting it framed to hang in the locker room. The jacket is Retired.
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There was an article at the beginning of the season on NHL.com about such post-game ritual totems that focused heavily on the Caps’ hardhat and the Bruins’ warm-up jacket from last season. It seemed to indicate that such locker-room rewards were a growing thing in the NHL and a benefit to the rooms that used them.
I personally like it, so long as the players allow it to both mean something (i.e. that the respect of one’s peers in the room is important) and take it for the fun it is.
Don’t the Penguins have some sort of sledgehammer or plunger or something like that?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 29, 2011 9:36 AM EST up reply actions
They have a plunger
But it’s used for….other motivational techniques
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by UIWWildthing on Nov 29, 2011 9:39 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
“Ah, no… but that’s very creative!”
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Nov 29, 2011 9:42 AM EST up reply actions
I thought it was a fleshlight.
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by D'ohboy on Nov 29, 2011 10:57 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
If there was one for bloggers, it would be….what? The “return” key from an old keyboard?
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by ThePeerless on Nov 29, 2011 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
The Coyotes have a WWE style belt.
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by Carl Putnam on Nov 29, 2011 10:14 AM EST up reply actions
I think his idea was that the HARD HAT should be retired, not necessarily the concept of a players’ chosen game MVP award.
I definitely agree that there should be something, but the hard hat taken symbolically says that that was the only player who was working in the trenches.
I was thinking he’d just Woodcock their mom.
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by Whiter Mage on Nov 29, 2011 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
> Stand up for your fucking teammates.
> Get retaliation in first.
> Be unpleasant to play against.
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by D'ohboy on Nov 29, 2011 10:55 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Hard hat was not a Boudreau thing, it was a Chris Clark thing. I’d prefer Hunts keep out of player rituals such as this.
Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...
by dcsportsfan1 on Nov 29, 2011 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
Bruce's last go in the Post
thanks for the wild rides, the two-inch vertical leaps of joy, the inadvertent catch-phrases, and the goofy joy.

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by RedBirdie on Nov 29, 2011 9:32 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
Hey JP, remember when you said:
Since there’s a metric shit ton of linkage above and no human being could possibly read it all, I’d suggest that if you see something particularly interesting in any of the links, point it out here.
Well, just FYI I’m totally avoiding that Tracee Hamilton article in the Post. So someone else will have to tell us if it’s worth reading. Thanks!
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by Gould Old Days on Nov 29, 2011 9:34 AM EST up reply actions
Spoiler Alert: it ain’t (and I haven’t read it either).
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by J.P. on Nov 29, 2011 9:36 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Wow… almost the entire front page.
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Nov 29, 2011 9:43 AM EST up reply actions
If I didn’t know any better I would have thought the Redskins lost again this week.
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I know. It’s incredible that the Caps news managed to dominate the print and airwaves following a rare Skins win. It’s incredible that the Caps were on the front page and that section contained Tarik’s full article.
by capsyoungguns on Nov 29, 2011 9:56 AM EST up reply actions
tarik's story on the front page

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by RedBirdie on Nov 29, 2011 10:00 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
if I didn’t know better, I would have thought the Redskins have been mercifully contracted and put out of our collective misery.
did you ever think you’d see the day when firing the Capitals coach was THE story in DC?
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by RedBirdie on Nov 29, 2011 9:59 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I dunno who this Frank guy is, either!
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by Whiter Mage on Nov 29, 2011 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t ever want to hear anyone say how hockey isn’t relevant in this city again. And I’d like to thank Bruce Boudreau for being a big part of why that is.
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by RedBirdie on Nov 29, 2011 10:49 AM EST up reply actions 8 recs
it’s front page, like the real front page, not just sports, in the Times. it’s the cover story in Express (I might be able to screen cap that)
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I could have sworn the WaPo box by my house had Caps above the front page fold. Wondering if that was an early edition.
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Express
I can try and grab (try) the interior stories—one AP article on the firing, Reed Albers on Dale Hunter.
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by RedBirdie on Nov 29, 2011 10:09 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Well, this is the season for someone of his stature to find work.
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by Dimagus on Nov 29, 2011 10:17 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I thought what he said about Neuvy and Vokoun very interesting. He said when Neuvy got injured, Vokoun had to play 7 or 8 games in a row and it threw them both off. It hadn’t occurred to me that it was a problem for Vokoun to play 7 games in a row when Neuvy was injured at the beginning of the season… I mean, I would like Neuvy to play a lot more, but if you’re a veteran goaltender, shouldn’t you be used to that?
he’s 36, I do not like him playing 7 games in a row.
by Beakers Lab on Nov 29, 2011 10:02 AM EST up reply actions
That was interesting, and not something that had crossed my mind. Also, not something that bodes well if Vokoun can’t play 7 games in a row. Who platoons in the playoffs?
That whole line of questioning was interesting, the “how do you feel about the moves you made this summer now?” line. While he praised Ward and Brouwer (as he should), and talked about Vokoun not playing as he can, he conspicuously did not mention Hamrlik. I don’t know if he got sidetracked by the goaltender discussion and just didn’t get back to the original question, or if he pointedly didn’t say anything about Hamrlik, but I thought it was noteworthy.
Because you can’t trust Braden Holtby or Dany Sabourin with a spot-start? Please
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by Gould Old Days on Nov 29, 2011 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
Cap issues, perhaps.
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They had a backup goalie on the bench. If he can’t play, he shouldn’t be there. And if he can, he can start once out of 8 games.
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by Gould Old Days on Nov 29, 2011 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
I knew “Mike Green” was gonna be the first name to come out of Alan May’s mouth on NHL live last night. I also knew that by watching it I would want to rip off Mike Millbury’s head and drop a deuce down his neck. Man does he hate AO.
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The real question is whether or not Milbury hates Ovie enough to hit him with his own shoe.
I think this may date back to the “little cat” comment back in 2008, when they interviewed Ovechkin in the studio after the Caps had been eliminated and Milbury called the team the “Crapitals” and called Ovie a “dog”. Ovie smirked and said that Milbury was “like a little cat”… which was a diplomatic way of saying “pussy”.
Of course it’s best if listened to in Ovie’s heavy Russian accent.
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Nov 29, 2011 9:46 AM EST up reply actions
I love this story. Hadn’t heard it before but it does explain his irrational hatred for Ovi.
by capsyoungguns on Nov 29, 2011 9:51 AM EST up reply actions
I think the clip is out on youtube somewhere. I need to get back to work otherwise I’d go look for it.
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Nov 29, 2011 9:57 AM EST up reply actions
Thanks. I’ll go looking. Before lunch. Can’t take Milbury on a full stomach.
by capsyoungguns on Nov 29, 2011 10:07 AM EST up reply actions
I think Milbury disliked Ovechkin before that, but Ovie getting the best of him on national TV really sealed it.
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by Bman21212 on Nov 29, 2011 10:16 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Thanks for the clip. It’s hard to believe that they would have Ovi on the show just to take jabs at him. Unbelievable. Ovechkin did a good job with it though. It is usually customary to be kind to those superstars (that just got 65 goals) to grace your show and make it worth watching.
Would he tell Crosby to get a better haircut? To stop mumbling? To maybe approach the fans and media with some gusto? I think not.
As they say, c’est la vie, shigata ga nai, it is what it is, que sera sera…and so forth.
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I honestly can’t help but wonder if Milbury honestly believes most of the crap he spews, or if he just knows it’s his job to be an inflammatory blowhard and he’s just really fucking good at it.
by Murshawursha on Nov 29, 2011 9:48 AM EST up reply actions
I would believe that if I thought Milbury knew how to use multisyllablic phrases like “Inflammatory Blowhard”.
by Rather Bengt on Nov 29, 2011 9:50 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Something tells me that Milbury’s hatred for Ovechkin is misplaced anger at Yashin.
Still, I’d argue that much of what was in his CBC article the other day has been said around these parts pretty frequently.
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by Murshawursha on Nov 29, 2011 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
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I don’t want to speculate too much, but maybe it’s a “European in general” thing? He was the guy who famously made Tommy Salo cry at his arbitration hearing.
I could never remember if that was Salo or Tommy Soderstrom, but apparently it was Salo. Soderstrom was the one with the awesome mask.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 29, 2011 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
St. Louis Game Time...
Lots of irreverent humor, puns, put downs, etc. Some colorful language and descriptions of opposing players (esp. Red Wings).
I recommend it highly. Probably my second favorite SBN hockey blog.
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by UIWWildthing on Nov 29, 2011 10:18 AM EST up reply actions
SLGT is basically the Whiter Mage of blogs. Except for the “Well run and hilarious and recommended” part.
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by Whiter Mage on Nov 29, 2011 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
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by EmilyB on Nov 29, 2011 9:55 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
Yep. Fantastic post.
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by twistedlogic on Nov 29, 2011 9:59 AM EST up reply actions
Cheers!
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by Gould Old Days on Nov 29, 2011 10:18 AM EST up reply actions
My favorite more recent Hunter moment came at the NHL draft in Raleigh. I was walking down the hall with a bunch of Caps fans after Ovie was drafted, and we saw Dale Hunter walking with Craig Berube.and they stopped for us. People asked Chief what he was up to and he said he just got hired as an assistant coach of the Phantoms. Hunter looked at everyone and broke into a huge grin and said, “Yeah, he’s a traitor.”
It was awesome.
I was at a Sharks/Caps game at the Shark Tank. Must have been the 99-00 season. Just glancing around the sparse crowd, I recognized Hunter sitting next to Alexandre Volchkov a few sections to our right. Volchkov was well on his way to playing his way out of the organization due to his bad attitude, and I think the Caps wanted him to sit down and watch a game next to a legend in the hopes that maybe a little something good would rub off on him.
My brother and I worked our way over and shook their hands. Hunter’s was the biggest, toughest bear claw of a hand I’ve ever shaken. He’s shorter than you think he’d be, but just wide and barrel-shaped. His low center of gravity was a huge asset for him as a player.
Volchkov was completely forgettable.
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by Gould Old Days on Nov 29, 2011 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
We all have a soft spot in our hearts for the Volchinator.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 29, 2011 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
Co-worker of mine recently gave me a hockey card he randomly found that was a two-fer, a split picture of Volchkov and Tezikov. Twice the suck in one neat package!
…one of my prized possessions now, btw, I kind of want to frame it :P
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Practice updates:
Schultz and Matty [Perreault] are still on the ice working with Neuvy. #Scratches source: CapsGoalie
good lord what does Hamr have to do to get scratched?
RAMPAGE
by JediChewbacca on Nov 29, 2011 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
Mr B is hitting up practice today and sent me this:
Wideman apparently sucks at practice, too. Knuble: “for fuck’s sake Wides put it on the fucking net” while working tip drills.
glad to know someone will carry on the fine tradition of two f-bombs per sentence.
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by RedBirdie on Nov 29, 2011 10:43 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
If Kolzig is on the ice, there’s another candidate…although maybe no, if he’s not wearing goalie gear…
is Olie here today? I know he’s supposed to come sometime this week.
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Yeah, and I hear Calle Jo is coming to work with the defense, and Peter Bondra is the new forwards coach.
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by Whiter Mage on Nov 29, 2011 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
Yes, twitter reports are that he was on the ice coaching today with the other coaches. No surprise, he was scheduled to be here some time this week after Prior and Kolzig were in Hershey over the weekend. Kolzig was at Hershey’s practice yesterday but the Bears left for Hartford (game tonight – ‘Bourque bowl’, Bouchard vs HBH) yesterday afternoon.
ok, I asked Mr. B to send an Olie update.
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Any news on Hunter’s line combinations? I’m curious.
by Murshawursha on Nov 29, 2011 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
I’ll ask, but probably unlikely that Mr. B remembers or was paying close enough attention.
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good, because Mr. B didn’t catch them. Also can’t give an Olie update. apparently too busy taking pictures and christmas shopping.
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by Carl Putnam on Nov 29, 2011 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
Line combos today were what they have been. Ovie-Backs-Brouwer, Eakin-Johansson-Semin, Chimera-Laich-Ward, Hendricks-Halpern-Knuble.
Failure is always an option.
Thanks. Still no MattyP love I see… He’s the new Eric Fehr.
by Murshawursha on Nov 29, 2011 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
Hell, still no Knuble love, for that matter. I’m kinda disappointed on that front.
by Murshawursha on Nov 29, 2011 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
A few of us are wondering if it’s just that Hunter doesn’t want to mess with the lines on his 2nd day. I really hope Knuble gets back to a line where he can be used effectively.
Failure is always an option.
A few of us are wondering if it’s just that Hunter doesn’t want to mess with the lines on his 2nd day. I really hope Knuble gets back to a line where he can be used effectively.
IIRC BB started Backstrom on the 4th line in his first game.
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by red army line on Nov 29, 2011 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
Right…but if I’M recalling correctly I think he said after that it was because he forgot about Backstrom when he was writing down line combos. So there’s that.
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that’s such a “of course Bruce would forget a player!” story.
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I also heard from someone that Knuble was left off the power play at times because Bruce simply forgot about him on the bench. Kind of a friend of a friend situation so grain of salt and all that, but…yeah. Of course he would :P
The definition of being a Caps fan is watching the same team over and over and expecting different results.
I’d prefer to see MP on the 4th, Knuble on the 2nd, and Eakin scratched.
Failure is always an option.
Mr. B said 85, 50, 26, 81, and another d-man all out on the ice late, but that sounds like too many guys to be scratched.
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Agreed. I’d prefer to see Eakin in Hershey.
by Murshawursha on Nov 29, 2011 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
by no means gospel, but apparently Ovie was on the half boards during PP work today.
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And yet, still more comfortable than the prospect of Hunter’s foot up his ass.
by Murshawursha on Nov 29, 2011 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
with or without his skate still on?
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Depends… Did we just give up another shorty?
by Murshawursha on Nov 29, 2011 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
Ah, the fine line between pleasure and pain
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And that’s if he’s lucky.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Nov 29, 2011 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
also: “Looked more like a full practice than a Caps morning skate”
some quick photos coming shortly
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On a different topic, Philipp Grubauer did an interview last night – the Monday night Stingrays show.
Audio in 2 parts found here
Hopefully Philip is too young to actually get how funny the comment is and just takes it as sage advice.
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by Carl Putnam on Nov 29, 2011 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
Olie’s advice was “stay calm. Break a stick or two if you have to.”
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Sorry, I was amused although it’s good advice at stay calm so I guess I missed the rest of that comment.
oh no, I’m making shit up.
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From today’s post, about potential issues int he next CBA:
Alexander Ovechkin – I’ve repeatedly argued that the NHL give Russian players the chance to compete in the 2014 Olympics in Sochi, although to be honest you should probably also check with some of the guys who will make the team.
Broken link, for the record.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Nov 29, 2011 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
In re: Ovie the Coach Killer
Last night’s Versus postgame was painful. In discussing Boudreau’s firing, they laid all the blame at Ovechkin’s feet. Their reasoning was that his numbers are down, his play is lackadaisacal (cut to highlights of him “not trying hard enough”) and he has a bad attitude on the bench (cut to “fat fuck” video).
Cut to commercial break, and return to discuss how Paul Maurice’s firing isn’t Staal’s fault because he has too much “respect” to get his coach fired, before discussing how his numbers are down, his play is lackadaisacal (cut to highlights of him “not trying hard enough”) and he has a bad attitude on the bench (cut to video of him scowling on the bench).
Guys, we get it, Ovechkin is a dirty ruskie, but could you at least make an attempt to pretend that’s not the case?
by Kevin O. on Nov 29, 2011 11:26 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
ok, so Steinz has the Milbury video up, but alas, not the Alan May “We’ll come in there and kick you ass!” part. Steinz helpfully provided a transcript if you don’t want to listen to Milbury.
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I just asked him again about the May clip, to which he responded:
@dcsportsbog:[applying tinfoil firmly to head] CONSPIRACY!!!
@Bagace can’t find it online, have asked versus for the video
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I mean, I don’t listen to anyone about ovechkin anymore. No offense, but I don’t even consider the opinions of many of you guys on this site anymore either.
He’s had a bad year and a half and is having trouble adjusting, I get it. But that’s ALL we know – anything else is just speculation, and I feel that people form opinions they feel are matter of fact and they aren’t.
A year and a half is an incredibly prolonged slump. More than that, he just hasn’t looked like the same player.
by Murshawursha on Nov 29, 2011 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
He has at times, and not at others. I think at this point it’s a mental thing for him, and something he has to fight through and get over. His confidence must be down for sure. I’m simply saying that anything anyone says about him, to me, is meaningless garbage and simply speculation. And it bothers me when people who actually have the public platform to speak to the masses use it to push an opinion they think is fact. That’s all.
by aaw6848 on Nov 29, 2011 11:51 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
His “use-the-d-man-as-a-screen” goal last week was an encouraging sign.
by Murshawursha on Nov 29, 2011 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
the Rangers love to give Ovie enough room to work is usual moves. no one else does.
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I think at this point it’s a mental thing for him, and something he has to fight through and get over. His confidence must be down for sure.
I’m simply saying that anything anyone says about him, to me, is meaningless garbage and simply speculation. And it bothers me when people who actually have the public platform to speak to the masses use it to push an opinion they think is fact.
Unleash the Apathy.
by D'ohboy on Nov 29, 2011 12:11 PM EST up reply actions 7 recs
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by Hang a Laingtern on Your Problems on Nov 29, 2011 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
No, it’s just that you speculating on Ovechkin’s issues followed up directly by calling such speculation “meaningless garbage” is a tad hypocritical. You’ve got accept the fact that forums such as this, and to a certain extent Milbury’s position as a commentator, are based in part on speculation and opinion.
Unleash the Apathy.
by D'ohboy on Nov 29, 2011 1:52 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Also, this is more just me venting because of the Versus post game "ovie is a coach killer" bullshit that is floating around.
That. But, selective reading is more fun
Seriously though – if you want selective reading:
Boudreau’s failing might have been in waiting too long to try to break the talented but undisciplined star.
Does anyone really disagree that Boudreau probably should have initiated “Operation Accountability” a few years ago?
I will not bother to talk Semin here. He is a lazy, overpaid talent not worthy of the time.
Does anyone really disagree that Semin is crazy-talented, but overpaid and lacks a consistent work ethic?
When the Caps signed Ovechkin to a ludicrously long-term contract, I am sure they expected that he would mature. He has not…swirling rumours that his off-ice behaviour is questionable, and of his recent mediocre play…
Does anyone really disagree that Ovechkin hasn’t matured in the way we’d hoped? The guy’s off-ice behavior has been questionable – we talk about it all the time here.
If he is smart, and I am very skeptical that he is, he will change.
How many times have we discussed Ovie’s seeming inability to adjust his game once teams figured him out? Either he’s rock-stupid or mule-stubborn.
First to the room for practice. Last off the ice. Look at the video…Try a move other than cutting across the middle from the off-wing. Study the power play and opposing defences. Keep shifts to a minute or less. And don’t be seen in a bar until the season is over.
Is any of this wrong? Is there anything that we haven’t all said?
Look, I don’t agree with most of what Milbury says. I think his track record as a coach and GM should disqualify him from ever having an opinion about anything. Moreover, it’s clear that he’s got some kind of axe to grind with the Caps organization and Ovechkin in particular.
Still. . . I have a hard time disagreeing with some of his assessments. I’m not sure that Ovechkin is a “coach-killer,” but I’m pretty sure that his stagnation as a player and his seeming inability to mature into a leader helped usher Boudreau out the door. If Ovechkin leads by example, then what does it say when he doesn’t make it to any optional practices – even this year when he’s only skating 19:00? What does it say when his defensive zone coverage consists of skating lazy circles like a hawk riding a thermal?
For all the comparisons of Ovie to Crosby and Staal, neither of those players had nearly the collection of talent around them when their coaches were fired that Ovechkin had to start this year.
I’m not saying that Ovechkin is a coach-killer. I’m not even saying he’s mostly responsible for Boudreau’s firing. But he definitely shoulders some of the blame, and if he’s the leader of this team and he’s the one that set the example for his teammates to follow, he ought to shoulder a fairly substantial portion of the blame. To lamely quote Spider-Man, with great power comes great responsibility.
Unleash the Apathy.
by D'ohboy on Nov 29, 2011 2:05 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Yeah but I pay attention to you because you present both sides. You’re harsh but fair.
However with the media I am cautious. Someone like Corey or Tarik or even Campbell (I liked his piece of the final week) I pay greater attention to than someone like Milbury. I take nothing from him because he offers only negativity, criticism, and cheap shots without any balance. His analysis is thus suspect for me. He doesn’t even pretend to be objective when it comes to certain subjects such as the Caps and Ovi.
What exhausts me generally with most of the media is how quickly they fall into the same memes without deeper analysis. Thus we get too much “Ovi as the coach killer” crap. it’s all surface stuff.
To be frank, everyone of the Caps players, including Laich (for all of his words) and more so Ovi (because of the C), shares blame in BB’s firing. But so does BB for his own missteps, as I know you have pointed out before.
The lack of direction from BB and corresponding lack of response from the team leading ultimately to his firing should be blamed upon both sides, but I haven’t heard much blame in the media fall upon BB’s shoulders. Where’s the analysis, particularly with the talking heads.
by capsyoungguns on Nov 29, 2011 3:31 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
This. Very well said – better than I apparently since D’oh clearly missed it, as well as enough people to rec his attack at me to green.
This is the point I was trying to make. Thank you
Saying this:
I mean, I don’t listen to anyone about ovechkin anymore. No offense, but I don’t even consider the opinions of many of you guys on this site anymore either.
Then leading to this:
I think at this point it’s a mental thing for him, and something he has to fight through and get over. His confidence must be down for sure.
Sandwiched by this:
I’m simply saying that anything anyone says about him, to me, is meaningless garbage and simply speculation.
Is a sure-fire way to upset people. Reading you literally, you essentially told all of us that you didn’t respect our opinions and that all opinions expressed herein (and elsewhere) about Ovechkin were garbage. . . while at the same time sharing your opinion that it’s a “mental thing” with us.
It’s fine to share your opinion, but if you say “I think you’re all morons and I don’t give a shit what you say. Here’s my opinion,” this is the likely response. Even if you’re thinking the first half, it’s best to just elide that.
Unleash the Apathy.
by D'ohboy on Nov 29, 2011 4:30 PM EST up reply actions 8 recs
Look, you’re doing a great job of continually misunderstanding me, and ignoring my attempts to clarify. So let me put this simply:
My initial post was in response to the Milbury rant on Versus that he had on ovechkin being a coach killer.
Yes, I did say:
No offense, but I don’t even consider the opinions of many of you guys on this site anymore either.
And I won’t hide from the fact that a lot of the negativity on this site really gets to me, as it does others – but that still wasn’t my point. Poor judgment on my behalf to dare say someone else’s opinion doesn’t matter to me? Absolutely. I think a lot of us are frustrated with the constant negativity that is surrounding this team right now, a lot of which is unnecessary. I wouldn’t come here if I didn’t respect or care about people’s opinions, so to surmise that I don’t is illogical and really doesn’t make much sense.
As for my so-called “opinion” that I gave after saying I don’t care for opinions was meant to state that this is a mental thing for ovechkin and not something that us or any broadcaster can “reason out” and make an honest statement on. NOT, as I have stated before in my first attempt to clarify for you, me randomly throwing out my 2 cents. Rushed response in a word vomit fashion to a topic, in Milbury, that upset me? Sure. If I upset you, I’m sorry – my intention wasn’t to insult my fellow rinkers, but to express my exhaustion with “the talking heads”
We all want everything to work out for the caps, and when people with the right platform, like Milbury (not you or other posters on here) spit out inflammatory things on the air, I feel it only perpetuates the negative image that may, but probably may not, be true.
Fin.
I think a lot of us are frustrated with the constant negativity that is surrounding this team right now, a lot of which is unnecessary.
Just speaking personally, I expect the tone of this place to roughly reflect the way the organization is headed. What you’ve had since the end of the Tampa series is a peak of positivity around the time of the Ward/Hamrlik/Laich signings, followed by the brief uptick during the seven-game winning streak, then a hard downturn.
I took a lot of flak for my negativity after the Caps’ first four games. (Possibly even from you.) The Caps were playing poorly to start the season and were demonstrating many of the same bad habits that had bedeviled them for several years. Moreover, Hamrlik looked atrocious and completely out of sorts in the Caps’ system.
In response, I was told that I was panicking and that I was being far too negative. (Never mind the fact that I’d been writing on this site about these same issues since before Japers’ Rink was even on SBN.) I was Chicken Little telling everyone the sky was falling (several others, including Kolzilla, Killer_Carlson, Steckle Me Elmo and the former F&B were lumped in with me). It was just October. The team needed to gel. Hamrlik just needed to get acclimated. Anyhow, the team was winning – I / we just needed to relax and stop PANICKING.
Here we are a month later. The team’s bad habits finally caught up to them. They went from 7-0 to 12-9-1. They lost in humiliating fashion to the Leafs and the Sabres. The coach has been fired and I’d be shocked if that were the last change that McPhee makes.
I told you so. One thousand times – I told you so. Goddamn that feels good to say.
I can’t speak for anyone else, but I’m not negative for the sake of negativity. I was negative because I saw this franchise frittering away its best chance to win the Stanley Cup in the foreseeable future. I saw a team that was, despite all of its talent, going nowhere. I saw this team becoming the 1998-2007 Ottawa Senators, version 2.0 and it upset me, because it didn’t need to happen. Obviously, George McPhee and Ted Leonsis saw the same thing I did, because they fired a good man, a man to which both of them felt a great deal of gratitude.
If you want sunshine, positivity and puppies, I’m sure that the Caps’ website will be happy to oblige you with propaganda. If you want honest analysis and discussion of the Caps, and hockey in general, I’d posit that there’s no better place on the internet. It won’t always be pretty or positive, but at least it will be honest, well-reasoned, Fehr & Balanced.
Unleash the Apathy.
by D'ohboy on Nov 29, 2011 5:18 PM EST up reply actions 8 recs
I do like this site because the insights are better than anywhere else on the internet, and congratulations for seeing the future of the team and calling everything before it happened. I’m not trying to compare cock size with you – I’m trying to make discussion about something that was said by Milbury that upset me.
You are making great points, and I along with others are clearly in agreement with you – but it has absolutely NOTHING to do with what I was talking about.
I don’t know how you managed to transition what I said: I hate milbury for using his platform to be openly and overly negative about ovechkin – into some long rant about you seeing the future and “i told you so” and all of that.
If you’ve got a problem with what Milbury said, why didn’t you just say:
I’ve got a problem with what Milbury said.
You brought the commenters here into it. Then you remarked on the “negativity” of the site. Can you possibly understand how people like me didn’t take kindly to comments like this:
Ahhh early season panic. Can’t wait for a month to pass and the caps are on a good winning streak and nobody even remembers how down and negative they were right now…
by aaw6848 on Nov 22, 2011 1:26 PM EST
Unleash the Apathy.
If you’ve got a problem with what Milbury said, why didn’t you just say: I’ve got a problem with what Milbury said.
I fucking did! I responded to a comment made about milburys comment! You’re the one who jumped in and derailed that ship taking everything so personally!
In regards to my comment made a week ago, I, like you, hope that in a month I will get the satisfaction of saying, “I told you so.” I fail to see how that comment would offend someone.
It’s hard to not take personally someone (intentionally?) refusing to understand my point, even after several attempts at clarification, and is attacking you and trying to make you look foolish.
Including the side note of the commenters here was unnecessary and irrelevant to my point, I’m only upset I included it – if only because you simply couldn’t get past it to see my actual point.
by aaw6848 on Nov 29, 2011 5:53 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
No offense, but I don’t even consider the opinions of many of you guys on this site anymore either.
The “no offense” in this statement gives away the fact that you knew you might offend some people. There’s no reference to Milbury or any other talking head. You’re just targeting the rest of us on the site. I’m not misinterpreting what you’ve written, I’m just quoting it.
I don’t care what you wrote about Milbury, but you never even mentioned him until four or five comments down the thread. You led off with the above quote.
And I won’t hide from the fact that a lot of the negativity on this site really gets to me, as it does others
I didn’t bring up the negativity aspect. That was you. Apropos of nothing. That prompted me to quote you, because I know that I was cited as being one of the commenters who was “panicking” and “too negative.”
Just be specific with what you say. If you need to preface comments with “no offense,” however, you should probably be prepared for people to get offended.
If you don’t want to be called out on something you say, then don’t say it.
Unleash the Apathy.
Gentlemen/ladies, you’re both pretty, pretty snowflakes but if each of you insist on getting in the last word on this unproductive dispute you’ll miss Mr. Hunter’s coaching debut.
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by Rainbow, Kitty, Beer on Nov 29, 2011 6:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He doesn’t even pretend to be objective when it comes to certain subjects such as the Caps and Ovi.
I’d argue that Milbury isn’t paid to be objective, he’s paid to be opinionated. He’s not a reporter, he’s a commentator. The very fact that we’re talking about him and reading his article means that, in the eyes of his employer, he’s done his job.
Unleash the Apathy.
by D'ohboy on Nov 29, 2011 4:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Heh. I’m actually reading when you posted.
I absolutely agree with you about the difference between a reporter and a talking head. But Milbury is a particularly loathsome example of a talking head in my estimation. I usually take what any commentator with a grain of salt, but he is particularly awful. And I make it a point NOT to listen to him or link to him in any way whatsoever. What I know of his recent crap comments is what is reported here. Well and Steinberg’s piece, which I admit must make his employers happy.
I think I just happened to write my post in response to yours because I was exhausted by then by the coach killer stuff, and I wanted to make the point that although Ovi shares a large portion of responsibility, I also felt that the entire team and BB himself shared blame and shouldn’t be let off the hook. And the media, both the serious and talking head variety, was running with the simple theme of “Ovi bad” and “Ovi is responsible.”
by capsyoungguns on Nov 29, 2011 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
Fair and Balanced approach? I feel I’ve heard that before.
Milbury does bash Ovi to such lengths I wonder if the great 8 is just his pet peeve. I haven’t read much hockey opinion/analysis writing, so I’m not sure if it’s just Ovi that gets this love and attention, or it is any superstar.
I did think Ovechkin left the nightlife persona behind a year or two ago, so it seems that it’s just a convenient talking point. I’m sure many star athletes could be seen as ne’er-do-wells if the camera follows them to the glamorous events they are able to attend.
In any case, tonight will be interesting. I hope in a positive manner.
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I did think Ovechkin left the nightlife persona behind a year or two ago
Um. . . no. At least, I’ve seen his (rather obvious) car parked outside local area nightclubs well into the evening.
Unleash the Apathy.
LOL. I guess you would know then.
I’d like to think that maybe it’s Semin borrowing his car Those late nights at the discoteca are most assuredly the reason for his lethargy.
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Has it occurred to folks that the same GM traded a player away, then hired him back as head coach? How many GM’s do that, or more to the point, be in a job long enough to be able to do that?
If you've read this far...seek help.
how many GMs (and orgs) build such solid relationships that they can be in a position to trade someone away and then bring them back as head coach?
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Well, that trade was more of a parting gift to Hunter. The Caps were going nowhere, Hunter was at the end of the string and I distinctly recall McPhee said he called Hunter into his office and said if you want it, we’ll try and trade you to a contender so you can have a chance to get your name on the Cup, but if you don’t want it we won’t do it.
Hunter said he wanted one more shot at the brass ring, so McPhee traded him to Colorado, if I recall correctly. I think the return was a pick, maybe a second or third?
It wasn’t like McPhee just purged Hunter.
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Dale Hunter and the Caps second rounder in 2000 for the Avs second rounder in 1999.
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by Whiter Mage on Nov 29, 2011 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
1999-Mar-23 Traded from Washington Capitals to Colorado Avalanche for round 2 pick in the 1999 draft (Charlie Stephens)
Charlie Stephens’ NHL career lasted all of 8 games. Has been in DEL for last six years, currently with Cologne.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 29, 2011 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
He also never signed in DC, so he went back in the draft and the Avs picked him in the 6th round in 01.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 29, 2011 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
FYI, some non-local twitter feeds for today (and longer if people like the coverage):
- London Free Press, Ryan Pyette – covering Hunter in DC, @RyanatLFPress
STL Blues:
- Darren Pang, @Panger40
- Jeremy Rutherford, @jprutherford (beat writer for the St. Louis Post-Dispatch)
I always enjoy Neil’s work, but I think you could replace the names Hamrlik and Wideman in his new piece with just about any caps player, and focus on their stats and make the same argument for “any cause for concern.”
When a team isn’t playing well as a whole, as it is right now, it’s easy to point fingers at whomever you want. And I know that on the back end, those 2 guys are certainly more of a culprit than other D men, but our goalies have been poopy at best. Either way, just my two cents.
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I was watching Vokoun at practice yesterday, and it was difficult to watch. He was visibly frustrated with the simplest of stops that he was not making — fumbling the puck or letting realtively simple shots in. He was not a happy guy, but in an odd way it’s comforting. Every goalie goes through that, when they can’t stop a puck if it is handed to him. As for the defense, I’m as much concerned about the forwards’ defense — or lack of it — as I might be about the defensemen.
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by ThePeerless on Nov 29, 2011 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
Is Vokoun lost in the woods right now?
by Murshawursha on Nov 29, 2011 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
Would Ovechkin like it that way?
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Anyone catch Vokoun’s interview from the locker room yesterday? He looked sick to me, like he had a bit of a cold.
…obviously these guys play through much worse so it’s not an excuse, just an observation. Wondering if anyone else got the same sense from watching him.
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If you’re reading that article you should just keep in mind that “Corsi Rel” does not measure a player’s Corsi relative to his competition, it measures his Corsi relative to his own teammates. It is the difference between a player’s Corsi on-ice and their Corsi off-ice. There is no opposition variable in the metric.
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Everyone’s tweeting the Hunter has a “lucky suit” that he’s worn every game for more than five years.
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Some things don’t change from player to coach… a new version of the the Hunter blazer, lol.
or from coach to coach, from lucky tie to lucky suit…
I, for one, will immediately start marking out like a 6 year old fanboy if he starts pulling from a can of Diet Coke.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 29, 2011 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
I think it would be hilarious if during a TV timeout, they bring a 12-pack of Diet Cokes to the Caps penalty box.
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not happy about seeing him kick our cans a few extra games per year.
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by bigonetimer on Nov 29, 2011 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
The Philly Cap situation just keeps on giving. Man, Snider really hosed that team.
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Holy smokes…what is Holmgren on?
“We want to gauge interest in him.” Guess what, Paul? Inevitably someone was interested in a reasonable checking forward, now who ya gonna suit up?
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I’m not complaining. I hope he keeps at it. Hell of a job they’re doing there.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 29, 2011 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
It’s bizarre.
I’m still trying to sort out the salary cap implications for Philly…I think they just lose his cap hit entirely, so that helps them out some. But they’re running out of warm bodies fast, and Nodl was a serviceable player.
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BSH with the money take:
The Flyers just lost a player for absolutely nothing, and it’s kind of hard to understand why. Sure, Nodl hadn’t been playing all that great or all that much lately, and a lot of that probably had to do with his role being overshadowed by guys like Harry Zolnierczyk, Sean Couturier and Zac Rinaldo. And sure, they do pick up $845,000 in cap space with the claim.
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Incredibly stupid. Nodl is an everyday NHL player now and I can see him developing into a 40, 50 point player with some quality coaching and steady NHL time. Probably too late for that but, basically, good job Holmgren.
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still shaking my head that yesterday someone suggested bring Holmgren to DC because of the “great job” he’s done in Philly…..
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by Alz Well That Ends Well on Nov 29, 2011 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
That be me. Just for the record, it was a bit of tongue in cheek and, most certainly, was not a direct reference to the Bryz contract. However, I was in that post referring specifically to the dumping of Richards/Carter for younger, cheaper, and (perhaps) almost-as-productive players. Frankly, I think in the long run if these guys develop it might have been a shrewd move and their record this year suggests it might have been a good one. In an earlier post on another day, I also contrasted this move with GMGM’s fat and long contracts to Laich & Ward, two contracts that might come back and haunt the CAPS. Anyway, that’s the story. Have at me….
The Laich contract might – it’s a long contract with a fairly high cap hit. But Ward’s? Seriously? 4 years, $3M/year isn’t that much, especially for a player who has been able to turn possession in his team’s favor consistently when put against the opposition’s top line. Plus, Ward will be 34 when it ends.
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Agreed. Ward is worth every penny. Laich’s contract I recall being pissed about at the time, but now it’s just kinda meh.
by Murshawursha on Nov 29, 2011 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
I remember thinking Ward’s contract was heavy on money and term but after seeing him play and other FA signings, that contract is a steal.
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I wouldn’t mind a slightly lower cap hit, but what he does on the ice is incredible. His energy and the sheer number of puck battles he wins is unbelievable. And if he can put up points like he did in Nashville (probably 12-15 goals, ~20 assists) it will be well worth it.
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His shot% is way, way up but his ATOI is down. Since most of his goals aren’t coming off of anything fancy, I think his production right now is tenable, about .4PPG meaning 30 points or near it is entirely possible.
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Well, I hope you are all correct, but I am still not sold on them. Yes, Ward looks pretty decent playing shut down, but when you add his meager offensive output on top of Laich’s modest-at-best production plus Knuble’s diminishing return, plus Brouwer’s ain’t-too-bad-but-not-great-either points together with Ovi’s and Semin’s diminishing fast productivity I argue you have a couple cap hits that could have been better employed to sign younger, faster and potentially more secondary scoring potential.
You’re missing a few facts. Ward isn’t an offensive powerhouse, but he’s still good for 10-15 goals per season. Laich can put up close to 20, as can Knuble if he’s used properly, and Brouwer has 15-20 goal potential. Those 4 should be able to put up close to 70 goals, if not more. That will probably be close to what Ovie and Semin put up, for quite a bit less.
Also, if you’re looking at them based solely on offense, especially Laich and Ward, you’re missing the point. Ward is a defensive specialist, and Laich is showing an ability to play that way. If Chimera-Laich-Ward is used as a shutdown line, offensive production will really be a bonus. That is a line that has a cap hit of $9.325M that can potentially shut down top lines.
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We’ve had this conversation multiple times since the contract(s) were handed out. The only thing that will change his/her mind is Ward or Laich scoring 70 or MoJo/Eakin/Kuz scoring 110 on their ELCs.
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by Alz Well That Ends Well on Nov 29, 2011 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
You’re right. Sorry. I didn’t mean to start up this topic again. I just brought it up because someone earlier mentioned my original Holmgren comment out of context. Today I only meant to say that, Bryz contract notwithstanding, the jury is still out on Homgren’s recent trades in Philly. As to Laich, Ward, etc. I will shut up. Sorry.
And I’m not trying to silence differing points of view. I just think we’ve hashed this one out enough that nothing either of us puts forward now can change it. You’re right — in a couple years we will definitely have more info to go back and evaluate Holmgren’s decisions, and it may definitely be for the benefit of Philly.
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by Alz Well That Ends Well on Nov 29, 2011 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
younger, faster and potentially more secondary scoring potential.
And who exactly did you have in mind to fill that role? Just about everyone I can think of who’d be worthwhile are going to be high draft picks on ELCs or RFAs with other teams.
by Murshawursha on Nov 29, 2011 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
Of course the real coach killers this season were Vokoun and Neuvirth, not Ovechkin. I learned that from the nooner yesterday.
Was anyone playing well? I don’t think this firing can be placed at Ovechkin’s feet. Certainly not him alone. It’s sad to see Wysh just buying into that, accepting it wholeheartedly. If everyone plays like shit, how can you blame just one person for the consequences?
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by Gould Old Days on Nov 29, 2011 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
The whole thing was a spectacular pile of fail in the last week or 10 days. But the goaltending has been horrid. I’m sorta, kinda hopeful that the goalies were responding to a team in crisis by turning in shit performances. You know, hopefully the team settles down and the goalies follow suit.
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Incredibly disappointing piece by Wysh. Just total garbage. Provides quotes about Staal liking Maurice and does everything he can to not paint him as a coach killer, but just blindly accepts that AO is a coach killer without any evidence other than the fact that he has underperformed. Was he a coach killer last year when he underperformed?
The best part is at the end he basically paints a scenario where it is impossible for AO to redeem himself. If AO comes on strong and plays well the rest of the season he was clearly just slacking to get BB fired. If AO doesn’t bust out of this slump then he is just another “petulant coach killer”. Right, those are the only explanations. Ever think that if AO doesn’t rebound then it has more to do with his game than his effort? You know, the game that you had spent the previous month criticizing and talking about how it needed to change? What an ass.
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by Killer_Carlson on Nov 29, 2011 1:14 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Nice post. Frankly, I have been torn on this issue as has a lot of people. There is no question, however, that there is, at least, a correlation between Ovi’s performance and BB’s dismissal. But, as we all know, correlation is not causation. More to the point personally, however, I just saw the write-up on Milbury and realized I had previously said things that Milbury was saying. If that is the case, then I KNOW I am wrong. Someone help me. I apologize to the entire CAPS blogging community!
I don’t really think there’s a correlation between AO’s play and BB’s dismissal. AO has been sub-par (by his standards) for close to two years now. And BB just got fired. It’s because the rest of the team is now playing like garbage along with AO.
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by Killer_Carlson on Nov 29, 2011 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
There is a HUGE difference between Staal and Ovechkin right now, and that’s that the rest of Staal’s team is filled with kids, has-beens and never-weres.
Ovechkin is shouldering blame because he’s the best player/captain of a team with legitimate Cup aspirations and he was playing poorly (by his standards).
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Regardless of who is around him, isn’t it the job of the team’s biggest star/highest paid player/captain to step up and be The Man? Sure, the talent around Stall was, on paper at least, inferior to the talent around Ovechkin, but does that excuse Staal’s poor play? I would argue that, with a weaker supporting cast, it’s even more important for Stall to play well than it is for Ovechkin.
Staal’s peak is also nowhere near as high as Ovechkin’s
by Murshawursha on Nov 29, 2011 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
It doesn’t excuse it, but it also puts it in context. Ovechkin was hardly called to task when Hanlon was fired. And rightly so. Expectations are different now, though.
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That analogy works for not calling someone like Skinner to task for the team’s failings, but Staal’s been around for a long time, and has been the go-to guy/leader since Brind’Amour left.
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Staal has produced with the same quality around him in previous years, but sucks this year. I don’t see a huge difference.
And I’m not saying AO shouldn’t shoulder any blame. He absolutely should, his poor play has been a big factor in the team’s overall poor play. That is just as true for Staal. But there is a huge difference between citing a player’s poor play as a reason for a coach being fired and calling a player “a petulant coach killer”. YOOOOG difference.
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by Killer_Carlson on Nov 29, 2011 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly. It’s the disconnect between “Ovechkin is a coach killer because he wasn’t producing this year” and “Staal is not a coach killer because he’s such a stand up guy” (and the barely concealed implication that Ovie is a dirty Russian while Staal is a good ol’ Canadian boy) that pisses me off so much.
But as my girlfriend said to me as I was screaming profanities at the Versus postgame crew last night “What are you so angry about? What the hell were you expecting those idiots to say?” (I’m paraphrasing, of course. Her exact words were: exasperated eye-roll)
C’mon. Carolina’s big offseason acquisitions were Kaberle and the wrong Stewart brother.
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I said above that it doesn’t. My point is that Ovechkin is (relatively) struggling despite playing on what is the best roster he has ever been on in the NHL.
Staal is struggling on a crap roster.
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Staal’s always had a crap roster around him basically since they won the Cup. How is this year any different?
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by Killer_Carlson on Nov 30, 2011 12:21 AM EST up reply actions
I hated that piece and agree with everything you wrote. How can he use virtually the same words to describe our slumping star/captain and their slumping star/captain, and yet claim that one is a coach killer and the other has just lost confidence.
by capsyoungguns on Nov 29, 2011 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
Late to the party...
…but major rec to JP and the crew for today’s links. Can’t even imagine how much work this was.
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According to practice reports, the lines may be the same, but the PP squads looked different in today’s PP drills.
PP1: 8, 22, 28 with 81 and 21 on points
PP2: 25/20, 90, 19 with 74 and 6 on points
So, putting the Russians with all-purpose, hard-working NA grit, and the Swedes with NA talent and impact?
Who takes faceoffs for that first unit? Brooksie?
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by twistedlogic on Nov 29, 2011 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
Well…at least it’ll be something useful for him to do with his stick….as opposed to hooking down other forwards when he gets poke checked.
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by twistedlogic on Nov 29, 2011 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
Interesting, I think. Not crazy about 19 not on the top power play. Who’s the playmaker, then? 8 or 28?
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Bob McK reporting that another top prospect from the 2012 draft class is injured. D-man Slater Koekkoek from the OHL Peterborough Petes has a dislocated shoulder and if surgery is required, he will miss the year.
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The pride of Misstisinni, Quebec, of course, which is not all that far from Kaawiipuuskasich, Quebec.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 29, 2011 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
There was the Philly draft pick/career minor leaguer Barry Tabobondung who lost his life saving his son’s life in a machinery accident.
by Rather Bengt on Nov 29, 2011 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
Poor guy couldn’t catch a break.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 29, 2011 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
Ha. I know, I was just about to cut and paste that.
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Stat Geek question
I’ve been wondering about this for the past few days in regards to goalie stats.
In baseball, they have something called “FIP” (also known as “DIP”), but basically, they’re statistics that adjust the stats of a pitcher independent of the defense behind him. For example, Justin Verlander’s ERA was 2.40, but in terms of FIP, it was really 2.99. BABIP is a similar stat in that it can tell us how “lucky” a pitcher was in terms of what happened when the ball was in play (the theory being, a pitcher literally has zero control over what happens when the ball is hit).
My question is, do we have something similar to FIP for goaltenders in hockey, where we can isolate how a goaltender performs independent of the defense in front of him? Are we even able to separate that because of how free flowing hockey is in contrast to how static baseball is?
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<a href="http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CB0QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sloansportsconference.com%2F%3Fp%3D648&ei=yxnVTuKVC821twfljom2Ag&usg=AFQjCNEpvIQobMN1osd9DZQBjFRSkBXbQQ" target="new">DIGR – Defense Independent Goalie Rating
It has some work to do before it’s all there, but it’s a decent first step imo.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 29, 2011 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
I can’t imagine the possibility of having a stat like that. Other than an actual save(glove save, pad save, cover etc) which might correspond to a pitcher’s strike out, a goalie depends on his defense to complete some of his defensive moves. For example, there’s a shot on goal, goalie makes a kick save or a pad save, but needs his D to clear the rebound. A stick save or redirect requires the goalies team to retrieve the puck. A goalie’s “save” is not always as clear cut as an out in baseball.
Maybe there’s some way it could be linked to how “difficult” the shot is? Like from where on the rink it comes from?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 29, 2011 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
That’s exactly what DIGR is, if I understand it correctly.
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Bob McK's Waiver wire update
COL puts LW Joakim Lindstrom (2 g 3 a in 16 games) and NJD puts F Brad Mills (0g 1 a in 21 games) on waivers.
Heard this yesterday about DH taping Caps games for the last 20 years.
I heard it on NHL Live and Deb Placey probably heard it on one of Dale’s radio hits. My first thought was oh, that’s cool but, then it dawned on me that Dale is 51 and I did the math. Turns out he was taping games while still playing. I would imagine it probably started closer to the dawn of directTV and the Center Ice package. Nitpicky to be sure but, just thought I’d mention that.
Not sure I follow. Is it a bigger logic leap to think he was taping games when he still played for us and for other teams in the league than when he was coaching a junior team in Canada?
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by Davethecapsfan on Nov 29, 2011 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
It could be true
Maybe he was doing his own video research while still playing. But I think he was making the point that he has watched all our games since he left which is less than 20 years ago.
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by Davethecapsfan on Nov 29, 2011 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
A little trivia.
Roman Hamrlik is one of five defensemen to be drafted first overall since 1992. Name the other four.
I know one is Greg Joly, by the Caps in 1974. Didn’t even have to look.
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Erik Johnson’s one of them.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 29, 2011 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
I know Ed Jovanovski and Erik Johnson. Maybe Chris Phillips too, although he might have just been top 5.
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by twistedlogic on Nov 29, 2011 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
Philiips was #1 overall.
What about Bouwmeester?
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Third overall. Thought he was one too.
Phillips was, as was Bryan Berard.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 29, 2011 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
SME got it. It was Bryan Berard,
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by twistedlogic on Nov 29, 2011 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
E. Johnson, Jovocop, Berard and Phillips.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Nov 29, 2011 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
Correct.
Berard was the one I missed (when my friend asked).
Four were picked in a 5-year span (92, 94, 95, 96) and then Johnson in 2006.
The only one that broke up that streak in 93 was Daigle.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 29, 2011 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
…who was drafted ahead of Chris Pronger, who probably should have gone first overall.
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Not at the time. Daigle was the Next Big Thing. And Pronger’s drinking and partying got him run out of Hartford.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 29, 2011 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
And St. Louis and Edmonton and Anaheim…
What does it tell you about the guy that he’s already been on 5 teams?
I thought his wife wanted him out of EDM?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 29, 2011 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
His wife hated the cold Edmonton weather.
Which led to the famous Bryz “Why you gots to be mad” video.
by Rather Bengt on Nov 29, 2011 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
get it right. Why you heff be mad?
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…3 of which have played in Stanley Cup Finals with Pronger on their blue line
Just sayin’.
by Murshawursha on Nov 29, 2011 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
Holy schikes am I excited Steinberg found “More than a Team” on the internet. I’ve been looking for that clip (and my 89-90 highlights video) forever. Can’t wait to go home and watch it.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 29, 2011 1:56 PM EST reply actions
in case it’s a busy day in the BogHood and it falls of the front page, here’s the direct link. Includes a nice hat tip to the Rink.
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Ooh fun. thanks. It’s taken me quite awhile to read through these threads today.
by capsyoungguns on Nov 29, 2011 3:47 PM EST up reply actions
Steinberg’s doing his job today:
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He’s the white Tomas Plekanec.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 29, 2011 3:00 PM EST up reply actions
Tomas Plekanec is so chic that if he wrote Moby Dick, he would have made the whale off-white.
(With apologies to Paul Nelson)
by Rather Bengt on Nov 29, 2011 3:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Smart move.
Release the Mackan!
by Killer_Carlson on Nov 29, 2011 3:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
lots of pictures from today’s practice, from Mr. B! a lot of individual player shots
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by RedBirdie on Nov 29, 2011 2:53 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Great pictures – thanks!
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by Backeez Got Back on Nov 29, 2011 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
Insight into McPhee's Comments
Does anyone have any idea what GMGM was referring to here?:
“I didn’t like some of the things that I saw in training camp, in some of the preseason games. I don’t want to put too much into that. But I was worried then,” McPhee said.
Realized that Hamrlik and Vokoun in Bruce’s non-trap system was going to be a disaster?
You tried your best and failed miserably. The lesson is "Never Try."
Hamrlik I’ll buy, but what about Vokoun’s career suggested he’d be a disaster outside of a trap?
by Murshawursha on Nov 29, 2011 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
Shouldn’t have been an issue for Vokoun. He played behind no defense in Florida!
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by twistedlogic on Nov 29, 2011 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
The context doesn’t seem like it’s player performance-related, but coach-related. The implication seemed to be that certain players were tuning out Boudreau early and not following the playbook. I was wondering if someone had any idea what or who GMGM was referring to.
I think it was just a general dislike of the effort he was seeing.
I remember being at some of the preseason games and not being blown away by the effort/execution, particularly against teams they should have beaten and/or with close to a full lineup. Granted, it WAS preseason (and preseason that featured a lot of new players and a new system, too) which is why I reserved judgment for a little further into the year – wouldn’t surprise me if GMGM did the same, especially after they started winning once the season started.
The definition of being a Caps fan is watching the same team over and over and expecting different results.
Bruce installed a new system in training camp, apparently one that allowed Ovie to float wherever he wanted; that allowed opposing forwards unimpeded access into the Caps’ zone; that allowed Vokoun the tacit right to begin the season as the starter then bench him opening night; that allowed Semin to continue his silly stick penalties in the o-zone; that bumped Knubs to the 4th line; that broke up Ward-Laich-Chimera ; that endlessly changed the lines – you know, THAT system.
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Last night, before dinner, I told my son to put his hockey stick away. He told me jeff Schultz, eats dinner with his hockey stick. Kids!!!
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by Alz Well That Ends Well on Nov 29, 2011 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
That’s not a hockey stick, it’s just his…arm.
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by Killer_Carlson on Nov 29, 2011 3:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Side note: I hope Andre went out and replaced his kid’s jersey with a properly spell-checked one.
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Theoretical question about where Boudreau lands:
You’re GMGM. Colorado lets it be known that they want to can Joe Sacco and ask if they can talk to Boudreau about the replacing him. Do you grant permission, or do you try to steer him towards another team in order to maximize the value of Colorado’s first-round pick?
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by Wheeler on Nov 29, 2011 3:53 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I’ll tell you this much: I’m pretty sure that, given some of Varly’s comments around the time when he was traded, he probably wouldn’t like it.
Reporter: "What’s your Mom’s birthday?"
Tortorella: "I have no idea."
Yeah… If I’m still bitter about those, I’ll totally send Boudreau his way :P
by Murshawursha on Nov 29, 2011 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
He’s still under contract to the Capitals until the end of next year. As such, they would likely have to ask (unless the Capitals and Bruce have negotiated a buyout).
Reporter: "What’s your Mom’s birthday?"
Tortorella: "I have no idea."
Could we trade them Boudreau’s negotiating rights in exchange for another draft pick?
by Murshawursha on Nov 29, 2011 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
I believe so, as he’s still technically under contract with the Caps; unless said contract has soem sort of “In case of dismissal” clause in it.
by Murshawursha on Nov 29, 2011 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
he’s not so much been fired as relieved of his coaching duties. He still gets a paycheck from the Caps. They might find him some low key position to finish out the contract, like working with the scouts.
it’s like Fridge at Maryland—he’s not coaching, but he still got his $2 million. It’s generally pretty hard to terminate these contracts unless there’s gross negligence or incompetence.
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by RedBirdie on Nov 29, 2011 4:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Has there ever been an instance, that anyone knows of, where a team fired a coach who still had years left on his contract, and proceeded to deny him the right to talk to other teams? I understand that the Caps would have the right to do that to Boudreau, but it seems to me that such an act would be well outside the NHL norm. Not to mention that I just don’t see McPhee of Leonsis being that vindictive, given their usual loyalty to members of the organization.
I’m sure it’s happened. The Caps might not allow a division rival to contact Bruce, for instance. That’s not necessarily vindictive; it’s using an advantage to beat a competitor.
Reporter: "What’s your Mom’s birthday?"
Tortorella: "I have no idea."
I would describe firing an employee and then preventing them from obtaining future employment pretty vindictive. I realize that Bruce is still drawing a paycheck, but I would imagine that he’d rather be coaching than sitting around doing nothing.
And if he does want to sit around doing nothing, then problem solved because he doesn’t need to talk to other teams.
Except a lot of jobs have non-compete clauses. Some even continue to pay you after you leave the job in exchange for not working for a competitor.
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by Alz Well That Ends Well on Nov 29, 2011 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, it would be rather out of character for Leonsis and McPhee to do something like that. and particularly in hockey, which seems like a very tight fraternity, pulling a stunt like that won’t endear you to future coaches.
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If it were Carolina asking about Bruce, I don’t think anyone in hockey would sniff at the Caps saying no. They’re a division rival, and the organization has repeatedly said, publicly, that Bruce is a good coach. One doesn’t want to have to face a “good coach” who knows one’s organization inside and out six times a year.
The Caps aren’t necessarily in competition with Colorado, but the Caps do have an interest in Colorado not playing well. That’s what provides the somewhat odd incentives here.
Also, keep in mind that if a new team contracts with Bruce to pay less than the Capitals are currently paying him, the Caps have to make up the difference for the remainder of Bruce’s contract with the Caps.
Reporter: "What’s your Mom’s birthday?"
Tortorella: "I have no idea."
Also, keep in mind that if a new team contracts with Bruce to pay less than the Capitals are currently paying him, the Caps have to make up the difference for the remainder of Bruce’s contract with the Caps.
You sure about that part? I can’t imagine how an obligation like that would fall on the Caps (I could see it arising for the players (baseball has something vaguely similar for waived players picked up by another team, for instance) out of collective bargaining, but I can’t see it for coaches). I would expect that the Caps and Boudreau would, by mutual agreement, rip up the existing contract and the contract with the new team would be the only obligation on Boudreau. Keeping a connection like that to another team would seem… unseemly, although if the NHL would allow someone to be disciplinarian while having a son playing for the league, I guess it wouldn’t be completely beyond the pale.
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Actually what Wheeler quoted is true for NFL coaches. No clue if it’s true for NHL coaches. When Snyder fired Zorn with time left on Zorn’s contract and then Zorn took the QB coaching position with the Ravens he made less money, so Snyder had to pay the difference.
Wow. I phrased it the way I did because I wasn’t positive, but it sure seemed unlikely. Maybe Zorn got Snyder to agree to it so he didn’t have to eat the entire contract?
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by AMusingFool on Nov 30, 2011 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
How many people would actually know, though? I’m guessing just the two GMs.
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by red army line on Nov 29, 2011 5:53 PM EST up reply actions
I let them talk to Bruce. I’m a good guy.
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Blues forward Jason Arnott went to dinner with Washington superstar Alex Ovechkin Monday night, but just hours after the Capitals hired Dale Hunter to replace Bruce Boudreau, the coaching change wasn’t part of the conversation.
After starting the season with seven consecutive wins, the Caps are 5-9-1 in their last 15 games. Ovechkin was reportedly clashing with Boudreau, and after netting 14 points in his first 14 games, Ovechkin has just three points in his last eight games.
“It may be a fresh start for him, but we never really talked about it and I never asked,” Arnott said. “He’s always very upbeat and full of life. I hardly ever see him down. With the pressure that’s on him now, he’s still the same guy. Just from his wording, he’s going to be ready to play tonight.”
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Steinberg delivers: May vs Milbury
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by gfcaps fan on Nov 29, 2011 5:12 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Alan May our enforcer in action. Though I’m feeling conflicted about linking given my strong words earlier on NEVER linking to anything Milbury has to say. Hmm should I be a hypocrite or should I just rationalize that I love May more than I hate Milbury.
by capsyoungguns on Nov 29, 2011 5:26 PM EST up reply actions
Angle away ….
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by TheFuryUnleashed on Nov 29, 2011 5:36 PM EST up reply actions
I’m really impressed by how far he’s come in so little time on camera. His first game, he was stammering and awkward, but now he’s downright excellent. The only downside is that I think he’s not long for CSN Washington. He’s got national broadcasts written all over him.
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by Acer Jonesy's Laughker on Nov 29, 2011 5:53 PM EST up reply actions
itsay narksay
Ovechkin shoulders all of the Capitals responsibility, since when he didn’t produce the Caps started to lose and then Bruce lost his job.
On the other hand, Crosby was out, but his team was fine. From now on I know that It’s not so much Crosby that is taking his team anywhere, but Bylsma and the rest of the team making Crosby look good. Hell, Neal was looking like Crosby for a stretch.
What other things can I not believe in today?..hmm..
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