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Why Mike Knuble is No Fourth-Liner

BUFFALO, NY - NOVEMBER 26:  Jhonas Enroth #1 of the Buffalo Sabres looks past teammate Christian Ehrhoff #10 as he defends against Mike Knuble #22 of the Washington Capitals during their NHL game at First Niagara Center on November 26, 2011 in Buffalo, New York.  (Photo by Dave Sandford Getty Images)

"Does every guy on our bench want to be on the ice more? Of course. You want to be out there as much as you can. And the trick is to realize every second you’re out there is very valuable, and you’ve got to try and do the best you can and try to contribute to your team." - Mike Knuble, 11/15/11

Over the course of his fifteen-year (and counting) NHL career, Mike Knuble has made a name for himself as a guy who works hard and excels alongside some of the League's best, whether it was Joe Thornton in Boston or Simon Gagne in Philadelphia or Alex Ovechkin right here in Washington. His game is simple but effective, and not for the faint of heart - go to the net, take the punishment, and get the dirty goals. Over the last eight seasons he's scored at least twenty goals playing exactly this way, regardless of team and in spite of the fact that he's nearing forty-years-old.

That streak, however, is in jeopardy - and it's because he's no longer being used the right way.

Knuble came into camp in incredible shape, even lapping those ten years his junior in the oft-discussed conditioning drills and looking poised to continue his steady, consistent production for yet another season. Even with the acquisition of Troy Brouwer, a younger, more physical forward, there was no question that Knuble deserved a spot in the top six - even if he wasn't alongside his usual mates in Ovechkin and Nicklas Backstrom.

And if there was a question of whether he deserved that role, he answered it early on with an uncharacteristically hot start. In fact, through the team's first eleven games Knuble was keeping pace with the Backstroms, the Ovechkins and the Johanssons, racking up points alongside the team's best offensive players with seven.

But then as October drew to a close and the team's hot start cooled, the line shuffling began and Knuble suddenly found himself not only out of the top six but shockingly on the team's fourth line. His minutes took a huge hit, dropping by almost two minutes a night; as a result, his offensive production didn't just decline - it fell completely off a cliff. To date, Knuble has registered just seven points on the season (and only two goals), well off the pace of a twenty-goal scorer - and not a single point was scored after November 5. Through the first eleven games, he was a plus-two; in the last eleven, a minus-seven.

The reason for the dropoff is pretty clear. Not only has his ice time dipped dramatically, and not only has the collective skill level of his linemates dropped (with all due respect to Matt Hendricks and Jeff Halpern), but his demotion to the fourth line has taken away the type of play that made him effective in the first place.

On a line with snipers, shooters and playmakers, his job was to go to the net and collect rebounds from the shots that his linemates would fire on net; when you've got Ovechkin shooting or Backstrom making a sneaky play from behind the net or along the boards, the chances are going to be there for some offense, some rebound goals and some ugly goals and the kind of goals we've grown accustomed to seeing from Knuble. Alongside grinders like Halpern and Hendricks, however, the style of game changes. Offensive chances diminish, and the goal of the line shifts from generating offense to keeping the other team from scoring by hemming them into their own zone.

It's never really been clear why Bruce Boudreau chose to not only move Knuble to the fourth line but keep him there indefinitely. And while Knuble's been a good soldier, vowing to contribute no matter what his role, he's clearly been frustrated at times. It's understandable, too, because given the way Knuble produced early on in the season (and the way Brouwer's season started, although he's definitely improved and settled in since), there was no reason - at least to the outside eye - to move a veteran like him, whose best play comes from skating with the best players, to a line where he isn't given a chance to succeed. Even with the team's recent struggles, only once has he found himself back on the top line - and he was bumped back down just as quickly as the promotion came. 

Of course one could make the argument that by playing reduced minutes now, it increases the likelihood that Knuble will have a bit more left in the tank for the playoffs; up until this year, the depth simply wasn't there for him to be slotted in a lower profile, lower mileage role.

Still, there's no denying that he has always been a more productive player when skating with the high-skill players - and has often served as the defensive conscience for his linemates, as well, an area in which Brouwer is not quite as adept. The logical move would seem to be to at least put him on the second line alongside Alexander Semin and Marcus Johansson, and to slot Mathieu Perreault back onto the fourth line where he's proven to be surprisingly effective. 

With the Caps in a bit of a tailspin there's really nothing to lose, and the team is simply better when he's playing a top-six role. In fact, in games where he's had at least fifteen minutes of ice time, the Caps are 8-2-0; under fifteen minutes, they're 3-7-1. Coincidence? Perhaps a bit. But that doesn't change the fact that he's simply better when used in a more high profile role; the question now, is, will new head coach Dale Hunter agree... or keep Knuble where he is?

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Spot on, couldn’t agree more. Like you said, it’s not to say that Halpy and Hendy don’t have skill, it’s just a different type of skill set that doesn’t benefit Knuble when playing with them. Plus, it’s a two-way street with him and MP85 because I think putting him back on the fourth line will bring his game back up to where it was too. The other thing to consider is the fact that Dale (as far as everyone’s been saying) doesn’t usually roll 4 lines so that will make things interesting too.

The safe word will be "hwiskey"

by kschaeff on Nov 29, 2011 10:09 AM EST reply actions  

Great post. I hadn’t realized how much that had affected him – and possibly the team. I really hope to see him back on the 2nd – he belongs as a top-6 winger opposite one of the Alexs.

Failure is always an option.

by timmyv38 on Nov 29, 2011 10:13 AM EST reply actions  

And with Knuble practicing on the 4th line today it would seem he’ll see checking line duties tonight as well. Sounds like the assistants are still running the show while Hunter gets time to evaluate.

by Kolzilla on Nov 29, 2011 10:19 AM EST reply actions  

I’m really hoping that’s the only reason he’s on the 4th. It’s only Hunter’s 2nd day, so maybe he doesn’t want to change lines yet.

Failure is always an option.

by timmyv38 on Nov 29, 2011 10:29 AM EST up reply actions  

The thing that gets me about using Knuble on the fourth line is that his replacement on the top line, Troy Brouwer, is a right-handed shot who feels more comfortable on the left side.

While that might create issues playing with another off-handed winger (Alex Semin), it does seem to indicate that Brouwer could also be successful as a second-line left wing, with Knuble as a top-line right wing, and Cody Eakin as a fourth-line energy winger.

Also, for what it’s worth, Knuble on the fourth line probably wouldn’t be happening if Jay Beagle were in the lineup.

Reporter: "What’s your Mom’s birthday?"
Tortorella: "I have no idea."

by Wheeler on Nov 29, 2011 10:26 AM EST reply actions  

My biggest criticism with BB (aside from our 5v3 play over his tenure) was his desire to float line combos on a minute-by-minute basis. This is entirely part of it, but even more so was the BB’s doghouse. If you were in it, you were in trouble. Not just for a month, but your tenure with the team.

MK22 and MP85 seemed to be the most recent in there and their production/ice time/jersies suffered. I would still rather see MP in the lineup on a nightly basis than Eakin. The puck has been finding MP all year and when a guy has that kind of nose for the puck, he will make things happen… and the 4th line is a great place for him, lets MH26 stick up for him when he gets leveled.

As for where guys are today, expect status quo for a few games and this team is going to have to win on talent alone if they want to win. Something they will do… if they want to. If they don’t… one has to question what the next big move is…

by FFSEnough on Nov 29, 2011 10:32 AM EST reply actions  

Regardless of what line he’s been on, Knuble has been working his ass off. It’s hard not to notice him when he’s on the ice.

"And as it’s my personal opinion, I’d appreciate not being told it’s stupid, thanks." - BeccaH

by hotdog88gt on Nov 29, 2011 10:41 AM EST reply actions  

Great post, Becca. He belongs on a line with Ovi, with whom he clearly clicked.

Cross check and all call.

by bigonetimer on Nov 29, 2011 10:56 AM EST reply actions  

He plays well with MarJo too. I wouldn’t mind seeing 28-90-22 for a few games. Gotta be tough to stop a Semin wrister when you have Knuble’s butt in your face.

I am a hockey fan first, and a Caps fan second.

by iwearstripes on Nov 29, 2011 11:02 AM EST up reply actions  

It would be hard to stop a Gordon muffin with Knuble’s butt in your face, let alone a Semin wrister.

Failure is always an option.

by timmyv38 on Nov 29, 2011 11:09 AM EST up reply actions  

If the team is going for balance, I’d love to see

8-90-22
20-19-28

for a while

"Fais gros comme moi!" - Alex Ovechkin

by Gould Old Days on Nov 29, 2011 3:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Knuble was capable of playing on the 4th line, but it wasn’t maximizing his talent.

A theme with Boudreau.

"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Nov 29, 2011 11:10 AM EST reply actions  

I am intrigued by the idea of a Semin-MoJo-Kunble line. How often have we seen this pairing in a game?

by patrone on Nov 29, 2011 11:20 AM EST reply actions  

It’s been used a few times. Should have been a lot more though.

Failure is always an option.

by timmyv38 on Nov 29, 2011 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

It goes without saying that I agree.

Capitals goal scored by #22, Mike...

by KNUUUUUUUUUUBLE on Nov 29, 2011 11:32 AM EST reply actions  

It just hit me… Wasn’t Knuble part of the Red Wings squad that beat Dale’s team in 1998?

by F1 Billy on Nov 29, 2011 12:20 PM EST reply actions  

Yes. On … the fourth line.

You perhaps knew me better as "Your Nation's Capital." Same great commentary, now with 100% more transparency!

by EmilyB on Nov 29, 2011 12:24 PM EST up reply actions  

hahaha

"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Nov 29, 2011 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Knuble

Veteran Presence in a nice way of describing a player who is past his prime and underperforming. Maybe he needs to quit running his mouth in interviews and score some goals. The same lack of time and usage arguments could be made for the Alexes but instead it is always trade Semin or Ovie has quit on the team. Sorry but Knuble needs to pick up his game or retire. His puck handling ability has deterioated and his play does not back up his words. The stats don’t lie.

by CapsMan on Dec 1, 2011 11:28 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

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