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I fear that soon we’re going to hear a John Walton sign off that sounds like…

“…good morning, good afternoon, good night nurse!”

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by ThePeerless on Nov 18, 2011 6:47 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

I thought it was “HelllllllllLLLLLLLLLLLLOOOO Nurse!” and “Goodnight, everybody!”

by Murshawursha on Nov 18, 2011 9:02 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Pretty good road trip so far….

by Obi wan Knuble on Nov 18, 2011 7:10 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions  

The buttons haven’t fallen off their coats, at least. So there’s that.

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by AMusingFool on Nov 18, 2011 2:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Unless you’d rather vote for Hitler’s walk there.

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by CapsFan75 on Nov 18, 2011 5:54 PM EST up reply actions  

These guys need to start taking their own pillows and blankies with them on the road. I was thinking that right now I’m glad they don’t have to play but 18 games against the West (wait, Winnipeg is still in the East: so three extra games in that far-away Central Time zone).

What is the expiration date on the “it’s still early in the season” alibi?

When will Bruce be starting Laich in goal?

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by Acer Jonesy's Laughker on Nov 18, 2011 7:12 AM EST reply actions  

When will Bruce be starting Laich in goal?

When he stops celebrating shooting wide on a 2-on-0?

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by J.P. on Nov 18, 2011 7:27 AM EST up reply actions   4 recs

Not playing to the whistle again.

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by Bald Pollack on Nov 18, 2011 7:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Haha…I thought I was the only one who saw Brooksie patented wingspan go up after that shank

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by Cap-O-Vens on Nov 18, 2011 9:47 AM EST up reply actions  

No, I think plenty of us saw it (well, I did). The funny part to me was it didn’t even look close to me.

by bigeugene on Nov 18, 2011 9:56 AM EST up reply actions  

No kidding, what a horrible sequence that was ending in the goal on the other end.

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by sk84fun_dc on Nov 18, 2011 11:15 AM EST up reply actions  

hi sk8! Good to have you back

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by RedBirdie on Nov 18, 2011 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Doubt that Brooksie will start in goal tomorrow night. If he did, he’d probably be too tired to QB for the Skins on Sunday.

by creasemonkey on Nov 18, 2011 1:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Thank goodness someone’s thinking around here. :)

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by caps&skins on Nov 18, 2011 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Big Joe Finley article, for those interested.

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by J.P. on Nov 18, 2011 7:26 AM EST reply actions  

And guess who Finley’s defensive partner is — none other than Shaone Morrisonn, the very person who used to be Green’s defensive partner. What a comedown!

Unless one could comment that the fact that Morrisonn was Green’s defensive partner for such a long time was a testament to the lack of depth on the blue line for the Caps.

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by CapsFan75 on Nov 18, 2011 7:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Is the article big? Or is it just Joe Finley that’s big? These are the questions that matter to us…

It isn’t even anger-inducing. It does not seem to be worth that kind of emotional investment. It might not even be disappointing any more. It is expected.

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by macvechkin on Nov 18, 2011 1:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Somewhere, in the distance, you can hear a lawnmower scream…

Winnipeg? Winnipeg??? Oy! (And now it's official...)

by MikeL-Pivonka on Nov 18, 2011 2:58 PM EST up reply actions  

The Caps are two points ahead of 12th-place Montreal. Let that sink in a moment.

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by ThePeerless on Nov 18, 2011 7:27 AM EST reply actions  

That is bad. (And it seemed that last night, the Caps were trying to become contenders in the Nail sweepstakes, without help from Colorado.)

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by CapsFan75 on Nov 18, 2011 7:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Nah, trying to double the odds.

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by AMusingFool on Nov 18, 2011 2:55 PM EST up reply actions  

And get two great picks for the price of one. So now we can get Nail and defensive help.

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by CapsFan75 on Nov 18, 2011 5:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Hell, if we sick low enough to get Nail with our pick we’ll get a new coach too!

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by Bman21212 on Nov 18, 2011 10:05 PM EST up reply actions  

with 2 games in hand on Montreal, although if they don’t pick it up that won’t matter.

Also only 6 points between 1st and 12th. The east is still very bunched up

by Beakers Lab on Nov 18, 2011 8:27 AM EST up reply actions  

eh. Standings are still so unreliable at this point because the number of games played varies so much. If they did standings by points percentage, that would be one things, but NHL standings don’t take into account games in hand. By that metric, they’re 4th in the East

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by RedBirdie on Nov 18, 2011 9:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Neuvy and Varly have combined to go 7-11-2/3.30/.889 so far this year. Throw in Holtby (AHL, obv) and it’s 11-15-2/3.07/.891. Wheeeeeee!

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by J.P. on Nov 18, 2011 7:35 AM EST reply actions  

Does not look good here. Guess it’s a good thing Vokoun came to us!

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by CapsFan75 on Nov 18, 2011 7:37 AM EST up reply actions  

My fantasy team is not happy with this. Thank God for Quick.

Release the Mackan!

by Killer_Carlson on Nov 18, 2011 11:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Neuvy’s been hung out to dry so many times by this team that he probably has permanent clothespin-shaped marks in his sweater.

by creasemonkey on Nov 18, 2011 1:36 PM EST up reply actions  

While true, Neuvirth is not at all blameless for those numbers.

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by Killer_Carlson on Nov 18, 2011 1:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Anybody have a picture of Wideman tripping and falling on the puck last night, i think that sums up the week thus far (he did break up 1 of the many odd man rushes)

by Obi wan Knuble on Nov 18, 2011 7:50 AM EST reply actions  

Disagree that that sums up the week. Might look about the same, but at least it was effective.

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by AMusingFool on Nov 18, 2011 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Mike Green is keeping busy with his charity work, and signing autographs for Kid Rock.

You left out the part about having a contest with him to see who’s got the shittier facial hair, yeesh.

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by Bald Pollack on Nov 18, 2011 8:08 AM EST reply actions  

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I tweeted it, but methinks Greener’s going for “Colin Farrell”:

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by J.P. on Nov 18, 2011 8:12 AM EST up reply actions  

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I’d appreciate it more if he went with the Crockett:

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by Bald Pollack on Nov 18, 2011 8:21 AM EST up reply actions  

I want Jeff Halpern to be my father figure

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by JediChewbacca on Nov 18, 2011 8:09 AM EST reply actions  

I wonder if even Halpern’s still got faith in the team. You have to wonder if there are a few careless whispers going around the locker room that the Young Guns have too much freedom; 90 is just about the only top-2 line player playing well these days.

Of course, one good game, and Wham!, we’ll all feel better again.

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by Gould Old Days on Nov 18, 2011 8:45 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

19’s still doing pretty well, even if his linemates aren’t and he hasn’t gotten a point in a few games.

by jopierce on Nov 18, 2011 9:44 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

whoosh?

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by Gould Old Days on Nov 18, 2011 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Young Guns havin’ some fun. Crazy ladies keep ’em on the run. Wise guys realize…..

Damn you, Gouldy! Of all of the crappy 80’s songs you could have picked to get stuck in my head…!

by creasemonkey on Nov 18, 2011 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

There’s about 5 options up there, between my post and Jedi’s. And they’re all great…

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by Gould Old Days on Nov 18, 2011 1:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, the Roman Hamrlik experiment sure has been a peach. He’s a liability every time he touches the ice—at evens, on special teams—with opposing RW’s blowing around him like the breeze. Collins can’t be worse at this point.

Cross check and all call.

by bigonetimer on Nov 18, 2011 8:12 AM EST reply actions  

Although I’m waiting for the inevitable “why didn’t Schultz do something” on the Wheeler goal.

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by ThePeerless on Nov 18, 2011 8:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Those folks are too busy fapping over the falldown in the third.

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by Bald Pollack on Nov 18, 2011 8:16 AM EST up reply actions  

One would think that 44-55 would be a capable PK pair. Of course, I’m not in the game…

Cross check and all call.

by bigonetimer on Nov 18, 2011 8:29 AM EST up reply actions  

I was listening to the Jets’ call on the radio for that goal, and they were just stunned how easily Wheeler walked around him.

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by STLSpidey on Nov 18, 2011 8:34 AM EST up reply actions  

It wasn’t even close; it made me wonder if Hamr’s nursing something “lower body.”

Cross check and all call.

by bigonetimer on Nov 18, 2011 8:39 AM EST up reply actions  

I really hope he is because the alternative, that he’s really just this bad and going to be this bad for two years, is something I don’t want to think about.

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by Bman21212 on Nov 18, 2011 8:48 AM EST up reply actions  

I remember hearing that he was playing through an injury.

Considering cap issues and other folks injuries – it’s possible he has something he can play through – so he is.

by Gin and Tonic on Nov 18, 2011 10:55 AM EST up reply actions  

You’re right G&T. I think it was during the 2nd NJ game - the one at home, where he left the game due to injury. But he came back for the next practice and the next game. With both him and Oisk hurt, I was frankly worried about the health of our D Corps. I wonder — how healthy are Hammer and Oisk, really.

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by CapsFan75 on Nov 18, 2011 5:59 PM EST up reply actions  

The WPG broadcast kept talking about how gutsy it was for Wheeler to cut in across the net and risk getting hit by a Dman. It’s not gutsy when the Dman isn’t even close enough to slow you down with a hook.

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by Killer_Carlson on Nov 18, 2011 11:34 AM EST up reply actions  

I don’t think that’s entirely fair. Hamrlik may look poor in all zones, but when he’s on the ice, the puck is in the offensive zone an awful lot.

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by red army line on Nov 18, 2011 10:58 AM EST up reply actions  

It also ends up in the Caps net a lot.

My mind is all twisted like a peanut.

by timmyv38 on Nov 18, 2011 11:03 AM EST up reply actions  

I’ll take your word that some of his advanced metrics look decent, but the man just can’t cover anything in open ice right now. He looks ok in the cycle once it’s established—he pinches well, for the most part, and gets his shot off ok—but in transition, he’s at sea.

Cross check and all call.

by bigonetimer on Nov 18, 2011 11:28 AM EST up reply actions  

By the end of the second period I was hoping BB would have just sat Hamrlik and gone with 5 D. We would have been better off the entire night like that.

by Brainumbc on Nov 18, 2011 8:17 AM EST reply actions  

This is all a bit depressing, isn’t it? I watched golf last night instead of the 3P. But it’s time for a reality check and time to get philosophical.

I’m choosing to believe that we’ll pull out of this, but I’ll admit it’s a tough position. We are too good a team. I’m choosing to believe that this is one of those stretches that most teams inevitably have during the course of the season. If we look at the season so far, we can find streaks of good teams already.

  • Dallas started 11-3, but has lost 3 in a row and is 5-5 in their last 10.
  • Pens stared 3-4, then went 5-0, and then 3-3 in their last six
  • Rangers started 3-6, before their current 7 game winning streak.
  • Kings started 5-2, then went 2-7, before their current 3 game winning streak.

Yes, I’m most often looking at things half-full, but that fact is that we really don’t know how this season will turn out, and we know we have a good team. How do you choose to characterize the current season results?

10-6-1?
7-0, followed by 2-2 and 1-4-1?
9-2, followed by 1-4-1?
7-0, followed by 3-6-1?

Three wins n a row, and we’re suddenly .500 after the 7 game opening.

Problems abound, but we’re only 17 games in. Rangers had the last playoff spot in the East with 93 points last year. To get to 94 from our current 21, we need 73 points from the final 65 games. That’s about a .560 winning percentage. I think we can do that.

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by STLSpidey on Nov 18, 2011 8:21 AM EST reply actions   3 recs

I don’t think anyone’s concerned with the losses for their impact on the team’s record. I don’t think anyone believes this team won’t win enough games to make the playoffs.

The real concern is in how they play the game, and a lot of those concerns have been masked by the wins. Regardless of regular season streaks – wins or losses – there’s little reason to believe right now that this season isn’t just more of the same.

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by J.P. on Nov 18, 2011 8:30 AM EST up reply actions   4 recs

I’d say look at the 2004 Red Sox, down 3-0 every Boston fan was on suicide watch then with 1 play it all changed. You never know when that play will happen, personally I’m really hoping it’s this year for us. I just don’t want to see Caps fans go down that fatalistic hole that Sox fans were in and that’s what seems to be what’s happening.

by Beakers Lab on Nov 18, 2011 8:32 AM EST up reply actions  

I fail to see the applicability of the analogy. We’re not talking about turning around the results of a few games – we’re talking about turning around an entire mindset, system, culture, whatever. The Caps are more than a Bill Mueller single or Johnny Damon homerun away from being fixed.

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by J.P. on Nov 18, 2011 8:42 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

At the risk of brown nosing, I agree with J.P. here. The analogy to the Red Sox in 2004 or the Cardinals in 2011 is not accurate. Those are four game or two pitch periods of time.

Although I choose to believe the Caps will turn it around, it’s clear that they have some work to do. They are too inconsistent now (on November 18, 2011) to make a good run at the Stanley Cup. That inconsistency runs top to bottom, across all 22 players up with the big club.

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by STLSpidey on Nov 18, 2011 8:46 AM EST up reply actions  

That, to me, clearly indicates a leadership issue

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by JediChewbacca on Nov 18, 2011 8:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes. Again, no disagreement. I see it from 22 from time to time. That’s about it. Players and coaches.

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by STLSpidey on Nov 18, 2011 8:52 AM EST up reply actions  

I didn’t articulate clearly. What I was going for was the Sox were constantly a loaded team that made the playoffs but couldn’t win it all and came up with new ways to lose. That’s where we are with the Caps, a loaded team that hasn’t done it in the playoffs. It’s going to take something unexpected like the Roberts steal (is that a come from behind win down big in the 3rd that propels them, someone being traded, BB getting fired) to give them a jumpstart and get them, and us, believing again.

Even if that doesn’t stand up the biggest thing I want to avoid is Caps fans turning into pre-2004 Sox fans with the immediate dive off a cliff and bash the team and assume the worst when things don’t got right.

by Beakers Lab on Nov 18, 2011 8:52 AM EST up reply actions  

The Red Sox were a loaded team that couldn’t get past another loaded team until 2004. The Caps are a loaded team that struggles to get past average teams that squeak into the playoffs. Still not really a relevant analogy for the team’s current problems (although it may be relevant to the Caps-Pens playoff history).

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by Killer_Carlson on Nov 18, 2011 11:39 AM EST up reply actions  

There’s no risk in brown nosing around here.

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by J.P. on Nov 18, 2011 8:53 AM EST up reply actions  

So noted.

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by STLSpidey on Nov 18, 2011 8:53 AM EST up reply actions  

And wow did you look dashing in the last Caps Lunchbox!

It isn’t even anger-inducing. It does not seem to be worth that kind of emotional investment. It might not even be disappointing any more. It is expected.

-Peerless 5.6.2011

by macvechkin on Nov 18, 2011 1:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Caps fans from the Murray brothers years briefly climbed out after ’98, but fell right back in.

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by apk3000 on Nov 18, 2011 8:46 AM EST up reply actions  

That Red Sox team was evenly matched with the Yankees. They were also in the ALCS, meaning they were one of four teams left in the playoffs. It’s gotten to the point where most Caps fans would kill to even be swept in a conference finals.

by Kolzilla on Nov 18, 2011 8:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Um, it happened in a SC finals, and wasn’t all that great, but a few more games in the spring would be welcomed.

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by Acer Jonesy's Laughker on Nov 18, 2011 8:59 AM EST up reply actions  

And in a Conference Finals. But how many years ago are we talking about, either way?

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by AMusingFool on Nov 18, 2011 3:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Not so many that I would kill for a repeat performance. Although I guess 4 more games would be an improvement over last season’s conference semi-finals sweep.

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by Acer Jonesy's Laughker on Nov 18, 2011 3:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, it’d still be an improvement over the last twelve seasons. sigh

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by AMusingFool on Nov 18, 2011 4:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Only 12, grasshopper? You haven’t even begun to develop your playoff callous.

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by Acer Jonesy's Laughker on Nov 18, 2011 4:57 PM EST up reply actions  

there’s little reason to believe right now that this season isn’t just more of the same.

Spot on. Sometimes, I just feel like the doomsday gets too much, although last nights 3P thread and this morning is more placid than I anticipated.

And I guess, after all these years, I’m immune to the peaks and valleys. I will hope eternal that they pull it together by March and April. And we know from our past experience that there are almost certainly a number of players on the roster now that, due to injury or trade, won’t be here by then – and a few new ones that will.

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by STLSpidey on Nov 18, 2011 8:33 AM EST up reply actions  

This is the fifth year that the “Young Guns” have been together. Are they as much better now than then, than we thought they would or should be?

As a group in 2007-2008 they scored 123 goals and were a plus-29 (weighed down by Semin’s -18); they were one and done in the playoffs, but they had 14 goals and were a combined plus-2 in seven games.

Last year they scored a combined 86 goals and were a plus-76; they were out in two rounds with ten goals and plus-1 in nine games.

This year they are on a pace to score 104 goals (assuming Green doesn’t miss another game and Semin doesn’t miss any, both iffy propositions) and finish minus-24.

They’re not “young” anymore, and their guns don’t seem to have full clips. Yeah, it’s early, and folks are in a sour mood last December, too. But time to think about breaking them up (or letting some of it go)?

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by ThePeerless on Nov 18, 2011 9:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Short answer is yes. I think you’d have to look at that. But it’s compounded by contracts, I think.

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by STLSpidey on Nov 18, 2011 9:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh, absolutely. Ovechkin and Backstrom are untradeable for all intents and purposes (not that I advocate trading either one). The players in this consideration are Green (trading RFA rights after the season, or however that sort of thing works?) or trading Semin/allowing him to walk in the summer. The notion of trading Semin seems especially complicated. It would be tantamount to a salary dump. You would nothing close to value for him given his UFA status at year end and the possibility of his going back to Europe. It would free up a lot of cap to do something at the deadline though.

Clearly, it would be better if these guys — as a group — just got healthy (Green) and their head on straight (Semin and, to a lesser but not less important extent — Ovechkin). But this is the “core” of players around all else has been built. They really need to start playing like it.

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by ThePeerless on Nov 18, 2011 10:22 AM EST up reply actions  

I don’t know if I really bought into it before, but I’m starting to warm to the “addition by subtraction” argument as far as Semin is concerned. He’s certainly not the only culprit, but is probably the easiest player to send off. I think the young guns are too comfortable because there haven’t been any real consequences to this point, and this mindset seems to be spreading to other parts of the team. Shipping somebody off may be the only way to send a message that resonates with these guys.

by cainoo7x on Nov 18, 2011 12:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Peerless’ analysis is spot-on. Due to size of contracts and/or health issues, our Young Guns are what we got so there probably aren’t a lot of ‘shipping’ options of consequence that we have. To make matters worse, we are stuck with contracts of Hamr and Poti. Therefore, due to CAP hit, there is not a lot GMGM can do. As I see it – and I have been repeatedly blistered for saying this – I say we try to unload the onerous Laich and Ward contracts. Yes, I am aware of the “Laich is Mr. Versatility and Ward our best player this year” kind of comments. But, Laich has had 5 or so years to ‘make a difference’, and he hasn’t. Ward, although, steady due to his ‘grinding’ style is also not a difference maker. And, I submit, having witnessed the lack of hustle and visible heart from the last two seasons’ playoffs and this recent stretch of losses, I think it is ‘energy’ and ‘difference makers’ that is what we need to either: a) kick our Guns in the butt and get them giving a damn about their play, or b) add needed secondary scoring. This is not an accusation of those players merely a comment that due to the size of their contracts and the fact that we are locked into our Young Gun core, there is little else we can do.

by Wilderthing on Nov 18, 2011 12:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Or they could create a lot of cap space by letting go of Semin.

by cainoo7x on Nov 18, 2011 12:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Green’s contract is also off the books at the end of this season, and frankly, I can’t see him being worth another contract at his current cap hit given his injury problems the past few years. If he’s willing to take a pay cut, I’d consider bringing him back, but it would absolutely not break my heart if we traded his rights.

by Murshawursha on Nov 18, 2011 12:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Wideman’s $3.9 is also off the books at the end of this season.

by Murshawursha on Nov 18, 2011 12:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Right. I was thinking more along the lines of what could be done right now to shake things up for this season; I should have made that clear in my post.

by cainoo7x on Nov 18, 2011 12:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I, actually, am a big Wideman supporter – ESPECIALLY if Greener is hurt and/or traded. Who else do we have back there? I love Carlson but we need more. Frankly, despite some defensive lapses, he in my opinion has been one of our best players.

by Wilderthing on Nov 18, 2011 12:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I like Wideman, too, but I wonder if his production can be replaced by Orlov going forward.

by cainoo7x on Nov 18, 2011 12:40 PM EST up reply actions  

So here’s a question: would you rather resign Green at $5 million or Wideman for cheaper (say $3 mil, for the sake of arguement with the acknowledgement that I’m pulling numbers out of my ass here)? I’m thinking I might just prefer Wideman as the poor man’s Green.

by Murshawursha on Nov 18, 2011 12:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Injury concerns aside, Green at $5 mil. I think the results on the ice this season, as highlighted by today’s Noon Number, succinctly illustrate why.

Factoring in injury concerns, I’d probably first consider not signing either of them and going after someone else rather than just signing Wideman.

by cainoo7x on Nov 18, 2011 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I’d agree Green no contest if not for the injury issues. But I’m starting to worry those are not going away, which is why I posed the question.

Any ideas what someone else you’d go after? I haven’t looked too closely at next season’s crop of free agents.

by Murshawursha on Nov 18, 2011 12:49 PM EST up reply actions  

If he hasn’t been locked up by Nashville, I’d take the Green and Wideman money and go after Suter.

by cainoo7x on Nov 18, 2011 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I had Semin’s money ear,marked for Suter :P

by Murshawursha on Nov 18, 2011 12:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Unfortunately, a good chunk of money is going to be spent bringing in a goalie if Neuvy doesn’t get it turned around this year.

by cainoo7x on Nov 18, 2011 1:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Green’s injury issues are troubling, but are they chronic or does he just have a run of bad luck? If it were the same injury over and over—annual shoulder surgery like Fehr, e.g.—, I’d be more concerned.

by kingbonehead on Nov 18, 2011 1:40 PM EST up reply actions  

he’s got a chronic problem of blocking things with his head.

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by RedBirdie on Nov 18, 2011 2:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Mike Green has a chronic problem?

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by J.P. on Nov 18, 2011 2:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, the DC market sucks.

Please, call me F&B.

by Rob Parker on Nov 18, 2011 2:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Any cap room in Vancouver or LA next season?

by Kolzilla on Nov 18, 2011 2:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Mike Green to Vansterdam (e420)

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by J.P. on Nov 18, 2011 2:58 PM EST up reply actions  

And at the end of 2013 we’ll be free from the Poti-Hamrlik “deals”.

It isn’t even anger-inducing. It does not seem to be worth that kind of emotional investment. It might not even be disappointing any more. It is expected.

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by macvechkin on Nov 18, 2011 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m still holding out hope that Green returns in the near future and is able to play the rest of the season without incident before making any decisions on whether he should be retained going forward.

by cainoo7x on Nov 18, 2011 12:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I’d vote for this. Still not clear why it has to be Green OR Wideman. Frankly, we need them both because of Green’s injury vulnerability. Plus, Orlov, even when he comes up, probably won’t be in their class for another year or so. My big question, though, is Carlson. I would really like him to step it up, which could put to rest the Wideman decision. So far, he seems to have regressed this year.

by Wilderthing on Nov 18, 2011 12:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I can’t see him being worth another contract at his current cap hit given his injury problems the past few years.

If I’m GMGM and Green’s camp comes to me with a $21 million over 4 years offer, I fill out the paperwork on the spot and laugh.

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by red army line on Nov 18, 2011 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Why? No argument here he’s worth it if he’s in the lineup, but if he’s only playing 50 games, no way I’d want to pay $5.25/year. Remains to be seen how the rest of this season plays out on the injury front, but I’m not optimistic.

by Murshawursha on Nov 18, 2011 12:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, it’s incredibly difficult to find another defenseman of his caliber on the market these days. The idea is you want to ice the strongest possible team come playoffs, right? There are very, very few D better than Green, and if you take a more durable but less talented option, you’re worse off (cap hits should be a wash or, perhaps, you’re paying more for the worse D).

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by red army line on Nov 18, 2011 3:37 PM EST up reply actions  

But the playoffs are also a 16-27 game grind. Having Green for 8 games is good, but having a very good D for all of them might be better.

All that said, I’m all favor of keeping Green assuming the price is right.

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by Bman21212 on Nov 18, 2011 3:52 PM EST up reply actions  

But the playoffs are also a 16-27 game grind.

Not for the Caps…

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by Killer_Carlson on Nov 18, 2011 3:54 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Isn’t it technically a 4 to 28 game grind? Just sayin’.

That would be more inclusive for our team.

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by STLSpidey on Nov 18, 2011 3:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I’d hope to make it through earlier rounds and worry about the others when they come.

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by red army line on Nov 18, 2011 3:55 PM EST up reply actions  

But for three years straight Green hasn’t been healthy enough even to do that.

by Kolzilla on Nov 18, 2011 4:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe he shouldn’t have been playing in 2009, but I wasn’t aware of any injuries early in the playoffs in 2011 or 2010. And, as far as I can tell, none of them are recurring.

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by red army line on Nov 18, 2011 4:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Well there was last year against the Lightning. Then the shoulder injury which really seemed to limit him against the Habs.

by Kolzilla on Nov 18, 2011 4:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Good theory.

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by Acer Jonesy's Laughker on Nov 18, 2011 5:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Me too, but my idea of the right price is a bit less that $5.5 million… I’d say around $4 and I’d be happy.

by Murshawursha on Nov 18, 2011 5:05 PM EST up reply actions  

If you think that he’ll sign for anywhere in the 4’s, you’re absolutely nuts.

by RCheli on Nov 18, 2011 5:14 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

And if somebody else wants to pay that premium for ~50 games a year, I’d be fine with letting them.

by Murshawursha on Nov 18, 2011 5:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I should note that I’m also factoring in the fact that whoever he went to would have to send something back for his rights.

I have zero qualms paying Mike Green $5.5 million if this whole injury episode ends up being a fluke. My issue here is the money can be better spent elsewhere if he’s going to spend a ton of time injured.

by Murshawursha on Nov 18, 2011 5:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Where are you pulling the 50 games a year from? 70 (+12 AHL), 82, 68, 75, 49 reads his GP log in the NHL.

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by red army line on Nov 18, 2011 6:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m pretty much taking last year’s total and this year’s pace. Agreed he didn’t have problems before last year, and like I said, if last year and the early part of this year turn out to be nothing but blips on the radar, I’m fine paying him $5.5. But his issues to far this year have me worried, and if he ends up having problems that plague him the rest of his career, I’d rather spend the money elsewhere.

by Murshawursha on Nov 18, 2011 6:08 PM EST up reply actions  

For the record, he’s on pace for 38 this year, though of course it’s early enough that that should be taken with a mountain of salt.

by Murshawursha on Nov 18, 2011 6:10 PM EST up reply actions  

The best comparison is Markov, and he signed for 5.75. I’d be very happy with Green’s current cap hit.

by wickedwitch on Nov 18, 2011 5:09 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

This.

Injuries aside, when he’s on the ice, he’s one of the top three offensive defensemen in hockey. You pay for that.

by RCheli on Nov 18, 2011 1:01 PM EST up reply actions  

True…but I was assuming (and this was unwritten…sorry) that they won’t do this and, besides, if Ovi’s offense is topping off, we will still need Semin’s explosiveness THIS year. As stated elsewhere – heck, EVERYwhere – this is hardly predictable. But, again, who else – and what else – do we have to pick up Ovi’s much-needed slack?

by Wilderthing on Nov 18, 2011 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

This is rediculous, it's time for a new coach.

It really was time for a new coach after MTL.

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by RedRocka on Nov 18, 2011 1:26 PM EST up reply actions  

there’s little reason to believe right now that this season isn’t just more of the same.

During the regular season, this was always going to be the case no matter what. Nothing they could do in the regular season was going to completely make people expect something different in the playoffs. Until we get there, and either do more or the same as we have been…nothing can sway the opinion or narratives regarding the team.

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by Davethecapsfan on Nov 18, 2011 11:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Disagree. There are things they can do – little things – that could sway my opinion.

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by J.P. on Nov 18, 2011 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Maybe your opinion, but not 95% of the fanbase or the media. Even if they could sway your opinion slightly, I don’t believe you could honestly say they could do something in the regular season that was going to make you fully believe playoff success was going to follow.

They’ve been the top offense with the top PP, they’ve had top 5 D and PK. Not much else they can do in the regular season to calm the nerves over them coming out and laying an egg in the playoffs.

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by Davethecapsfan on Nov 18, 2011 11:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Even if they could sway your opinion slightly, I don’t believe you could honestly say they could do something in the regular season that was going to make you fully believe playoff success was going to follow.

You’re right that they couldn’t fully convince people that playoff success will follow because people will believe it when they see it. But they could do a hell of a lot to convince people that the mindset and character of the team has changed to make playoff success more likely.

Really though all I want from the regular season is for the Caps to not convince me that nothing has changed. Unfortunately that’s exactly what they have done so far.

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by Killer_Carlson on Nov 18, 2011 12:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t believe you could honestly say they could do something in the regular season that was going to make you fully believe playoff success was going to follow.

Agreed. But they can do something in the regular season that would make me fully believe playoff success wasn’t going to follow… and they’re doing it.

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by J.P. on Nov 18, 2011 12:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Hahaha…well played. I almost think at this point they could do anything in the regular season and we could see it go either way in the playoffs. This team has both sides, good and bad, to it ready to pop out at any time it feels like.

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by Davethecapsfan on Nov 18, 2011 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

This team has both sides, good and bad, to it ready to pop out at any time it feels like.

The good side will definitely pop out against the Rangers in the first round.

by Kolzilla on Nov 18, 2011 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Stringing it all together at the same time would be a good place to start.

by Murshawursha on Nov 18, 2011 12:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I think the bigger issue is that it looks like the same crap as the past two seasons. They’re expecting to flip an on switch, but the fact that they turn the switch off in the first place is troubling.

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by apk3000 on Nov 18, 2011 8:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Um – hope springs eternal?

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by STLSpidey on Nov 18, 2011 8:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Nice.

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by STLSpidey on Nov 18, 2011 8:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Right now you could book me for 2012: 2-4

It isn’t even anger-inducing. It does not seem to be worth that kind of emotional investment. It might not even be disappointing any more. It is expected.

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by macvechkin on Nov 18, 2011 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

So heading into Toronto for a HNIC game, Bruce makes the comment (per Whyno’s tweet):

Boudreau on Ovechkin: “You know what, I don’t want to talk about Alex tonight. Everywhere we go, people ask me the same question about Alex. I just don’t feel like talking about him tonight.”
This coming a week after “Benching-gate”. Think that might be picked up by the Canadian press this weekend?

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by bagace on Nov 18, 2011 8:48 AM EST reply actions  

yes; and spun into a tale about Sydney Crosby

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by JediChewbacca on Nov 18, 2011 8:51 AM EST up reply actions  

When talking to Canadian media, it will get picked up, but anything he said would.

“Bruce says Ovechkin is fine, but is he really?”
“Bruce’s non-response telling on Ovechkin.”
“Bruce says Ovechkin needs to change things. Is the superstar done?”

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by Bman21212 on Nov 18, 2011 8:53 AM EST up reply actions  

I thought it would be more like,
“Will the Caps’ troubles force them to trade Semin to the Leafs?”
“If the Leafs can’t beat a fading Capitals team, when will Burke fire Ron Wilson?”

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by apk3000 on Nov 18, 2011 9:03 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Muckrec’d

Cross check and all call.

by bigonetimer on Nov 18, 2011 9:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Haha, true. Everything focusing on Canada.

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by Bman21212 on Nov 18, 2011 9:17 AM EST up reply actions  

I can’t decide if this is “You guys have been asking me the same 3 questions for 4 years now” or “I’m really pissed off at that under-performing shitbum right now.”

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by RedBirdie on Nov 18, 2011 9:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Seems more the former. He’s got no more answers to that question.

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by J.P. on Nov 18, 2011 9:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Agree with that assessment; the video shows him as just tired of the question not angered by it. But I fear the timing of remark (right as the team is headed into TO to play on HNIC) is going to cause it to be jumped on.

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by bagace on Nov 18, 2011 9:51 AM EST up reply actions  

hadn’t seen the video, thanks for the context.

Everything anyone says in Toronto is jumped on, particularly someone like Bruce who is a Toronto product leading a “glamor” team.

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by RedBirdie on Nov 18, 2011 9:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Three more trips to Canada this year will produce a lot of fatigue — never mind the travel, but of questions like this.

by NateEwell on Nov 18, 2011 10:00 AM EST up reply actions  

not exactly missing wrangling the Canadian press corps, eh?

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by RedBirdie on Nov 18, 2011 10:30 AM EST up reply actions  

It’s all very predictable and redundant. Don’t get me wrong, it’s a ton of fun to be somewhere where hockey matters that much — but it takes a lot of patience, especially for Bruce and Ovi.

by NateEwell on Nov 18, 2011 10:34 AM EST up reply actions  

How much does Ovechkin listen to the press? He seems like the kind of guy who doesn’t really take media criticism to heart.

by Kolzilla on Nov 18, 2011 10:39 AM EST up reply actions  

I don’t think he lets it bother him but he reads/watches it.

by NateEwell on Nov 18, 2011 10:40 AM EST up reply actions  

It’s a little difficult to compeltely ignore it, isn’t it?

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by gfcaps fan on Nov 18, 2011 10:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Especially when you are answering their questions …

by NateEwell on Nov 18, 2011 10:47 AM EST up reply actions  

I imagine everyone is curious about what is being said about you.

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by RedBirdie on Nov 18, 2011 10:48 AM EST up reply actions  

I can’t buy in at all to the fatigue factor and the road trip whining – take a look at the Rangers and their early season schedule and where they are in points now. If there is a problem then the Caps need a 25 game road trip.

by Ahberg on Nov 18, 2011 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Believe he’s referring to the Canadian Press and their incessant whining desire to learn about all things Ovi, not the travel itself

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by bagace on Nov 18, 2011 12:24 PM EST up reply actions  

There are always outliers. That reasoning is akin to “My grandfather smoked 3 packs a day all his life and died at 100! Lung cancer being caused by smoking is a myth.” Looking at the overall win loss patterns of teams, travel does effect them.

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by Bman21212 on Nov 18, 2011 1:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I think it’s a combination of the two that wads up into a big ball of frustration, as in…“Guys, you’ve been asking me that for years now, and if I had found a way to solve that problem, I’D HAVE $#@%IN’ DONE IT BY NOW!!!…I just haven’t found the key to fit that lock.”

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by ThePeerless on Nov 18, 2011 10:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Nothing like a good dose of mid (early) season angst…
Still, last night looked an awful lot like the team that took the ice last spring

Seriously though Hamrlik is horrible.
As in god-awful…

by Evel Knuble on Nov 18, 2011 9:03 AM EST reply actions  

Bring back Tom Poti!

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by Gould Old Days on Nov 18, 2011 9:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Don’t you mean Pom Toti?

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by STLSpidey on Nov 18, 2011 9:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Applejack, hot milk, honey, and sprinkling of nutmeg and clove — the Pomme Toddy!

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by Gould Old Days on Nov 18, 2011 9:38 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

that actually sounds pretty damn good right now

Cross check and all call.

by bigonetimer on Nov 18, 2011 11:30 AM EST up reply actions  

No relation

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by kschaeff on Nov 18, 2011 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

He’s already back judging by the clearing attempts on the PK last night.

Release the Mackan!

by Killer_Carlson on Nov 18, 2011 11:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Time to poach Hannan from MIN.

by bigeugene on Nov 18, 2011 9:40 AM EST up reply actions  

or Calgary. Wherever he is.

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by STLSpidey on Nov 18, 2011 9:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes, right…don’t know why I had MIN on my brain.

by bigeugene on Nov 18, 2011 9:57 AM EST up reply actions  

M&G is as frustrated with Hannan as we are with Hamrlik, and not as if Hannan at least has good #fancystats so far like Hamrlik does.

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by red army line on Nov 18, 2011 11:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Hannan at least has a good price. He’s playing for Erskine money.

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by Bman21212 on Nov 18, 2011 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Based on the WaPo article on breaking up the Meat and Potatoes line, it sounds like an indictment of the Alexes more than anything.

The first part being that he wanted to distribute responsible players who are performing well throughout the lineup a little more evenly, rather than load up on the one line. "I think we were throwing all our eggs in one basket," Boudreau said.

Now we’re throwing all our eggs in one basket by having Chimera-Laich-Ward on one line?

The other aspect is to try to help spark Semin’s offense. Boudreau said he is "trying to put a little more experience" with the Russian winger, who has just three goals and eight points in 16 games this season.

That speaks for itself.

Look, I get what Boudreau is trying to do here. But I’d much rather see him go with the care bears on one line, meat and potatoes on another and then have Knuble-Johansson-Brouwer to destroy really easy minutes. Wouldn’t that make a lot more sense?

by Kolzilla on Nov 18, 2011 9:13 AM EST reply actions  

Personally, I think the way the lines were to start the season made sense. I am not a fan of the Care Bear line – it needs a grinder. BB needs to stick with line combos that are working, and not break them up constantly.

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by timmyv38 on Nov 18, 2011 9:17 AM EST up reply actions  

I’d take the usual routine from the Care Bears though. At least Sasha and Ovechkin might get some of their swagger back that way and occassionally dominate.

by Kolzilla on Nov 18, 2011 9:18 AM EST up reply actions  

I whole heartedly agree with this. Let the guys build some chemistry and don’t panic and switch things up.

by Beakers Lab on Nov 18, 2011 9:23 AM EST up reply actions  

I hearted 22-90-20 the minute I saw it—I think it’s time to get Gramps out of the dungeon anyway and he does well with Mojo. And that leaves Halps with Hendy and Eakin, which is probably the right spot for the youngster now.

Cross check and all call.

by bigonetimer on Nov 18, 2011 9:19 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I’m perplexed by 22 on the fourth line. Is he being punished? It just makes absolutely no sense at all.

by Kolzilla on Nov 18, 2011 9:28 AM EST up reply actions  

He dares speak out, and therefore must be repressed.

by Murshawursha on Nov 18, 2011 9:29 AM EST up reply actions  

This is one of the mysteries of the current season. I’d be comfy with 8-19-22.

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by STLSpidey on Nov 18, 2011 9:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Same. I’d like to see 8-19-22, 28-90-20, 25-21-42, 26-15-85.

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by timmyv38 on Nov 18, 2011 9:34 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

It’s possible he’s lost enough steps that Bruce feels he can’t keep up on the top two lines. Or that Brouwer/Ward are the longer term solution. Or that someone needs to be the new Fehr.

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by apk3000 on Nov 18, 2011 9:34 AM EST up reply actions  

That’s possible, but it’s hard to believe the coaching staff wasn’t able to determine that in training camp but suddenly after 10 games knew that he’s toast.

And he started off slow the last two seasons as well.

by Kolzilla on Nov 18, 2011 9:40 AM EST up reply actions  

In fairness to Brouwer, he’s been pretty good on that top line.

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by J.P. on Nov 18, 2011 9:42 AM EST up reply actions  

No arguments there. Maybe you even go with 8-90-28 and 20-19-22. The point is, Eakin is not a top six guy and the meat and potatoes line seemed like its sum was greater than the whole of its parts.

by Kolzilla on Nov 18, 2011 9:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed on all counts. If it was me, right now I’d lock in what works and figure out how to unfuck the rest of it. That means 25-21-42, 26-15-85, 27-74, 29 and go from there.

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by J.P. on Nov 18, 2011 9:50 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

You’d really go 8-90-28? Seems like a defensive liability.

I’d prefer:

20-90-8
28-19-22
25-21-42
26-15-?

I’m not enamored by 85 or 50 right now. Perhaps Sjogren? Not sure. Where’s Tyler Sloan when you need a D/W swing player?

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by STLSpidey on Nov 18, 2011 9:54 AM EST up reply actions  

You’d really go 8-90-28? Seems like a defensive liability.

I would pair Ovechkin and Semin together in the hopes that they hog the puck in the offensive zone and maybe even regain some of their creativity which seems so lost right now.

And if they lollygag and freelance too much? Give that line less ice time and play the other three, which will all be relatively strong two-way lines.

Of course, that last part will never happen under BB.

by Kolzilla on Nov 18, 2011 10:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Did I say I’d go 8-90-28? (I mean, I did… but not today.)

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by J.P. on Nov 18, 2011 10:30 AM EST up reply actions  

The 3rd sounds much more likely.

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by timmyv38 on Nov 18, 2011 9:41 AM EST up reply actions  

I think someone is trying to keep Knuble’s minutes in check so he has something for the post season this year. He’s not a young man and playing on the first and second line is going to take it’s toll. I’m ok with Knuble getting 10-12 even strength minutes and a couple of PK minutes each night now so that he has more gas in the tank come April/May/June

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by MikeL-Pivonka on Nov 18, 2011 10:07 AM EST up reply actions  

I wish I believed they had the foresight and self-restraint to implement such a strategy.

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by J.P. on Nov 18, 2011 10:23 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions   1 recs

Let’s get Mike Rizzo over from the Nats. He’ll count innings minutes and shut people down without emotion.

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by STLSpidey on Nov 18, 2011 10:25 AM EST up reply actions  

he’ll also hunt down shitty refs and scream at them.

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by RedBirdie on Nov 18, 2011 10:31 AM EST up reply actions  

That game was Fugly, and Sasha getting the Player of the Night made me vomit, but “Hey Hey Goodbye” in November is a little recockulous. I hope we pound them Wednesday.

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by Cap-O-Vens on Nov 18, 2011 9:51 AM EST reply actions  

and if we pound them Wednesday please Caps fans don’t do that crap back at them. Show a little dignity

by Beakers Lab on Nov 18, 2011 10:09 AM EST up reply actions  

That was a wasted comment, You know its coming.

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by Cap-O-Vens on Nov 18, 2011 10:25 AM EST up reply actions  

You think those fans were still watching the ending of last night’s game when they started singing that? Bah, they turned it off end of the second period at the latest.

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by bagace on Nov 18, 2011 10:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Haha…I think F&B turned his shit off in the 2nd period

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by Cap-O-Vens on Nov 18, 2011 10:38 AM EST up reply actions  

sure seemed like all of us in the 3rd period thread had the game turned off.

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by RedBirdie on Nov 18, 2011 10:49 AM EST up reply actions  

we were in the acceptance stage of grief by that point.

by Beakers Lab on Nov 18, 2011 11:19 AM EST up reply actions  

The game was so done at that point they were singing while they were walking to their cars.

by kingbonehead on Nov 18, 2011 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I dunno… Aren’t things like that part of what adds into home ice advantage? Given that it wasn’t obscene or over the line, I’m not really opposed to a little “hey, hey, hey, goodbye.”

Then again, I am a Maryland student, so anything not involving cussing out 10-year-olds seems mild in comparison.

by Murshawursha on Nov 18, 2011 12:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m ok with Semin getting it since his goal was just about the only bright spot on the night.

I wonder, do the players use those gift cards, or do they donate them (I’d like to think they donate them.

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by MikeL-Pivonka on Nov 18, 2011 10:10 AM EST up reply actions  

There’ll be the usual “It’s all your fault” stuff… which some fans do even at the empty net!

Blaming the empty net for a goal is pretty harsh.

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by MikeL-Pivonka on Nov 18, 2011 10:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Ovechkin is building a house of cards in his living room with them. The project has run out of supplies recently though…

RAMPAGE

by JediChewbacca on Nov 18, 2011 10:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Outside of the goal he was atrocious…JW42 and Halpy played much harder last night

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by Cap-O-Vens on Nov 18, 2011 10:24 AM EST up reply actions  

And Ward made a brutally bad decision that led to a goal. Last night was the first time I thought to myself, “Wardo had a bad game” (to which, btw, he’s perfectly entitled once every 16 times out).

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by J.P. on Nov 18, 2011 10:31 AM EST up reply actions  

It would help if only one player per game would have a bad game.

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by gfcaps fan on Nov 18, 2011 10:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Honestly he could have done more on Kanes first goal, and turned the puck over on his second…He had some real hard working shifts tho…which is more then I can say for our PIM leader…bottom line is picking a player of the game last night is like finding a shiny turd.

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by Cap-O-Vens on Nov 18, 2011 10:38 AM EST up reply actions  

There’s still a lot of hockey left, hopefully they are playing the right way come April. Btw is there a reason why Gabby broke up 27-74? Seems like 74 is lost out there without his partner.

What say you, hockey gods???

by RAGthaman on Nov 18, 2011 11:10 AM EST up reply actions  

With the absence of Green, they’re short a right-side defenseman. Of the remaining guys, Alzner is the one who’s most comfortable switching sides.

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by bagace on Nov 18, 2011 11:15 AM EST up reply actions  

I hope GMGM can flip Hamr at the deadline for this Scott Hannan character. I like his 1 year 1 million dollar contract situation

by KA-27 on Nov 18, 2011 11:12 AM EST reply actions  

"I think there’s a sense that other teams key on him all the time," said Capitals coach Bruce Boudreau, whose team faces the Maple Leafs in Toronto on Saturday. "But that’s the same with every good player on every team, they find ways to key on him and it’s up to us and him to find ways to get around it. It’s just the way nature goes and hockey goes."

And a bang-up job you’re doing so far!!

by Gin and Tonic on Nov 18, 2011 11:18 AM EST reply actions  

Easy solution for teams keying on Hamr. Get him on nacho duty when Green is healthy.

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by MikeL-Pivonka on Nov 18, 2011 1:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I was thinking get him prepped for LTIR myself.

It isn’t even anger-inducing. It does not seem to be worth that kind of emotional investment. It might not even be disappointing any more. It is expected.

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by macvechkin on Nov 18, 2011 1:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Let’s see…

1) Advice on proper nutrition from Tom Poti
2) Advice on going into the corner with Pronger from Mike Green
3) Shoulder conditioning from Michael Nylander and Eric Fehr

That’s a start…

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by MikeL-Pivonka on Nov 18, 2011 3:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Btw, two goals in the last 168:50, one of which was probably offside.

Killer.

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by J.P. on Nov 18, 2011 11:22 AM EST reply actions  

Yes, it is, but Rinne did have something to do with that stat.

by sk84fun_dc on Nov 18, 2011 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

No question.

At the same time, they could have Rinne and Hasek in net at the same time and the Caps should be able to score on a long 5-on-3 with Future Norris A and Future Norris B in the box.

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by J.P. on Nov 18, 2011 11:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Agree; unbelievable to see a lengthy 5 on 3 with Suter and Weber in the box and nothing to show for it.

by sk84fun_dc on Nov 18, 2011 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Clearly…we needed Rinne to be in the box too.

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by Davethecapsfan on Nov 18, 2011 12:06 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

We registered nary a shot. Pitiful.

Cross check and all call.

by bigonetimer on Nov 18, 2011 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Obviously, Nashville can afford to let both of them go if their respective asking prices are too high.

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by AMusingFool on Nov 18, 2011 3:27 PM EST up reply actions  

But they have to, you know, actually shoot the puck.

If it were a tie game or they had the lead, I could see being a little more deliberate on the 5-3 powerplay, but when you are down, you have to fire more shots and crash the net for any loose change.

by cainoo7x on Nov 18, 2011 12:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Best goalie ever and worth the contract! Honest!!!!

by RCheli on Nov 18, 2011 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Did that guy get banned yesterday or not?

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by MikeL-Pivonka on Nov 18, 2011 1:20 PM EST up reply actions  

On Rinne, I’m working on a fan post about goalie statistics which should be coming tonight or tomorrow.

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by CapsFan75 on Nov 18, 2011 6:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Funny, not a lot of bitching in the post-game by Winnipeg about the non-offsides call.

by Kolzilla on Nov 18, 2011 11:26 AM EST up reply actions  

That non-call just highlighted for me how otherwise excellent the linesman are at making those calls. Even with all the speed all the skates and sticks to look through and they usually nail it.

Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...

by dcsportsfan1 on Nov 18, 2011 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

The Jets broke a lengthy losing streak… that seems to be the bigger story.

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by MikeL-Pivonka on Nov 18, 2011 1:20 PM EST up reply actions  

This time…not for a lack of shots. And to be fair, we had numerous chances that should have been buried last night. Early on Ovechkin and Brouwer on a 2 on 1, Brouwer took too long to settle the pass. Ovechkin did the same thing on that bounce on the PP (even being a tough angle it was open if he shoots it faster). Of course, we can’t fail to mention the 2 on 0.

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by Davethecapsfan on Nov 18, 2011 11:52 AM EST up reply actions  

On that 2-1 with Brouw, I was shocked Ovi didn’t let that rip—that was right down his sight. Small solace in a beautiful saucer to 20.

Cross check and all call.

by bigonetimer on Nov 18, 2011 11:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah I meant to ask it as a question to the board at large…do we prefer Ovie shoots there? Or did he make the right play and Brouwer just didn’t finish it…thereby bringing up the question of why the best goal scorer of the last 6 years isn’t taking that shot? (Much like his attempted slap pass to Federov in the waning moments of Game 7 against the Flyers).

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by Davethecapsfan on Nov 18, 2011 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I at least want him to fake the shot in order to freeze Pavelec. Pavelec knows he’s not shooting well before the puck leaves Ovechkin’s stick.

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by Wheeler on Nov 18, 2011 12:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Did he? I saw it as him staring Ovi down until until the pass, and then TB20 just couldn’t get the puck up a bit.

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by bagace on Nov 18, 2011 12:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Ovi is stickhandling in front of himself until he pulls the puck back to pass to Brouwer. No headfake, no slight hesitation, nothing to freeze the goalie.

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by Wheeler on Nov 18, 2011 1:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I feel like every time Ovechkin makes a nice pass to set up a teammate when he had the chance to shoot and the teammate doesn’t bury the chance…it just makes opposing teams overplay Ovie to shoot even more.

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by Davethecapsfan on Nov 18, 2011 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

attempted slap pass to Federov in the waning moments

Instant indigestion.

Cross check and all call.

by bigonetimer on Nov 18, 2011 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I still say it was absolutely the right decision. If Federov looks up/for that pass we win and move on.

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by Davethecapsfan on Nov 18, 2011 2:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh, I agree—it was a lay-up for 91. Just a(nother) sore playoff memory.

Cross check and all call.

by bigonetimer on Nov 18, 2011 2:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Urgh… just don’t bring up Tikkanen…

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by MikeL-Pivonka on Nov 18, 2011 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks. Now I can be sad again until I can flush that memory again.

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by Davethecapsfan on Nov 18, 2011 3:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t ask too many things from too many people, but just in case Bruce is reading this, can you please just go back to the lines that were scoring goals earlier in the year?

Why is Mike Knuble on the fourth line? How can you possibly break up that 3rd line? MP85 scores goals and keeps the puck in the offensive zone, put him back on the forth line with 26 and 15. 90 and 22 have chemistry, reunite them with Semin. And that “umbrella” looking power play is horrendous.

Exit question: what the hell are 8 and 19 doing lately? Nick gets the puck on the right halfboard on the PP and just sits there with the puck and doesn’t move his feet for a second. He’s creating zero scoring chances. Nick, start skating.

by Caps Homer on Nov 18, 2011 11:31 AM EST reply actions  

Bright side: no epic third period collapse this time ’round.

What? Oh.

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by EmilyB on Nov 18, 2011 12:02 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Second period is the new third. I think the guys are still on east coast time and therefore their second period meltdown occurred when their third period ones usually do.

Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...

by dcsportsfan1 on Nov 18, 2011 12:08 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

So it’s a good thing they’re going to play the next game in the eastern time zone???

by sk84fun_dc on Nov 18, 2011 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

With the 8:30 start, they had to keep the collapse on schedule, so it went off in the second.

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by J.P. on Nov 18, 2011 12:10 PM EST up reply actions   3 recs

Dude you’re being way too hard on the Caps, they didn’t collapse. They systematically got destroyed.

by Kolzilla on Nov 18, 2011 12:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Eakin on the point on the PP????

Was I seeing things last night? I missed most of the NJDs games and didn’t see the Dallas game, but I did see the Nashville game; anyway, I’m still catching up. What was that experiment for last night?

There are some players, like Bourque, who are successful on the point on the PP at the minor league levels, but I don’t recall Eakin playing the point on the PP in juniors (Emily please correct me if I’m wrong) or in his short time with Hershey.

by sk84fun_dc on Nov 18, 2011 12:09 PM EST reply actions  

Eakin on the point on the PP????

Was I seeing things last night? I missed most of the NJDs games and didn’t see the Dallas game, but I did see the Nashville game; anyway, I’m still catching up. What was that experiment for last night?

There are some players, like Bourque, who are successful on the point on the PP at the minor league levels, but I don’t recall Eakin playing the point on the PP in juniors (Emily please correct me if I’m wrong) or in his short time with Hershey.

Eakin was at home, we were going to lose no matter what, so Bruce was trying to get him a point.

by wickedwitch on Nov 18, 2011 12:17 PM EST up reply actions  

The Caps PP is the last place I’d put a guy if I want to get him a point….

The point on the Caps PP is the last place I’d put a guy if I want to get him a point….

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by ThePeerless on Nov 18, 2011 3:00 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Speaking of which, guess who’s biz-ack on the PP point lately? Change under this regime is defined as trying something for a few games then probably abandoning it.

by Kolzilla on Nov 18, 2011 3:02 PM EST up reply actions  

They’ve been pretty consistent about putting Wideman and Laich out there on the PP1. PP2 is Carlson and I think Hamrlik.

by Joran on Nov 18, 2011 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Of late…Ovechkin has been seeing some time on the point again. It’s had people worried.

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by Davethecapsfan on Nov 18, 2011 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

and specifically someone mentioned on the broadcast the other night that ovechkin had been lobbying for more point time on the power play and was now getting it…

by squidello on Nov 18, 2011 3:49 PM EST up reply actions  

….to which BB shot down in the next day’s press conference. Said that he was playing forward from the half wall, and the play they set up just caused him to switch places with Laich.

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by bagace on Nov 18, 2011 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

ahh, hadn’t seen the response.

seemed like a weird thing for the commentator to say out of the blue if he hadn’t heard it.

by squidello on Nov 18, 2011 7:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I interpreted that as rotation.

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by red army line on Nov 18, 2011 3:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I saw Ovechkin on the point on the 5 on 3, which I’m kind of fine with.

There was a mention earlier on about him lobbying for point time, but that only happened during that game, as far as I recall.

I really, really want Green back because that’d give us Wideman/Green on the points again.

by Joran on Nov 18, 2011 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

to be clear, I have no issues with Ovechkin on the point in an extended 5 on 3. Much more room to get off that one timer.

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by Davethecapsfan on Nov 18, 2011 4:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Really, do others think that’s why they put him on the point on the PP because he was at home? Putting him out on the PP, fine, but on the point?

by sk84fun_dc on Nov 18, 2011 1:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Honestly, I think that was him rotating up to cover a pinch (and good on him for having the wherewithall), but yeah, getting some PP time seemed an obvious hometown plug for the kid. Rather he see some PK time than PP if he’s gonna get some special teams time though.

Cross check and all call.

by bigonetimer on Nov 18, 2011 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

The rotation makes more sense if that was the case. Maybe I’ll go back and look, thanks.

by sk84fun_dc on Nov 18, 2011 1:49 PM EST up reply actions  

...

And to think how Cap fans complain about attendance at our Optional Skates:

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Bit of a different look at Leafs practice… optional skate, meaning nobody on the ice.

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by bagace on Nov 18, 2011 1:12 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Well, they played last night in Nashville.

by RCheli on Nov 18, 2011 1:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I have no problem with the Leafs. My point was more about how Caps fans (and certain WaPo columnists) overreact to their lack of attendance.

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by bagace on Nov 18, 2011 1:25 PM EST up reply actions  

No ice time today….only team meetings. Hopefully they can dissect their problems on video and come up with some solutions tomorrow.

by KSR17 on Nov 18, 2011 1:21 PM EST reply actions  

Maybe Bruce will take them bowling… Wilson used to do that with the guys when they got in a rut.

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by MikeL-Pivonka on Nov 18, 2011 1:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I actually think that sounds like a good idea. Something to get some team camaraderie going and maybe put some smiles on their faces before getting down to business.

by KSR17 on Nov 18, 2011 1:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Spot on. Right now, I think the biggest problem with this team is that they’re not having any fun.

The rookies, who are just glad to be in the NHL, have been playing well. Everyone else, who is feeling burdens of responsibility, is playing tight.

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by Gould Old Days on Nov 18, 2011 2:34 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Totally agree on them needing to get some joy back in their game.

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by J.P. on Nov 18, 2011 2:36 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Scoring more might help.

by Gin and Tonic on Nov 18, 2011 2:37 PM EST up reply actions  

BB: Guys we are going somewhere here in Toronto that will let you know how the fans currently feel when watching us.

Where you ask? here is where we are going.

by Beakers Lab on Nov 18, 2011 2:40 PM EST up reply actions  

i’ve been thinking about that recently specifically regarding ovechkin, that you don’t see him smiling and laughing on the ice anymore. maybe some of that is due to his lesser productivity, or maybe it’s something of a cause in itself.

by squidello on Nov 18, 2011 2:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I noticed that last week. He also isn’t tweeting anymore. Maybe the PR heat is getting to him. Maybe he is still processing the deaths of his uncle and the Lokamotive team. But he has definitively lost the spring in his step if not the joy in his game over the last month.

by KSR17 on Nov 18, 2011 4:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I take that back. He just tweeted from Toronto. First time since Oct. 16th…

by KSR17 on Nov 18, 2011 8:17 PM EST up reply actions  

He’s thinking too much out there too. Maybe he should look to pass a little less and just start firing shots again to get his confidence back.

Or guys start finishing his feeds.

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by Davethecapsfan on Nov 18, 2011 4:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I think he should skate down the left wing, enter the zone, then cut to the middle and fire shots from the high circles. It would have the effect of using the D’s legs as a screen and also catch them off guard, plus it would be fun.

In all seriousness, he’ll start having more fun when the team starts winning and he starts scoring again.

by Kolzilla on Nov 18, 2011 4:59 PM EST up reply actions  

_______

Next home game, I want someone down at ice level to bring this sign:

Guaranteed to take his mind off of whatever he’s stewing on. Have you ever tried not to think about something?

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by Gould Old Days on Nov 18, 2011 5:38 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Camper Van Rec’dhoven.

Cross check and all call.

by bigonetimer on Nov 18, 2011 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

-Laich would throw a gutter ball
-Semin would step on the foul line
-Ovi would roll the ball down the left side of the lane all ten frames
- Evason would grab his own ball bag
- Hamrlik would revise his impression of the 10 pin like he did last night against Wheeler
- And, of course, Schultz would not be able to knock down any pins

Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...

by dcsportsfan1 on Nov 18, 2011 1:29 PM EST up reply actions   3 recs

Not a good idea. The team probably would probably assume the pins will knock themselves down and, therefore, no reason to get up.

by Wilderthing on Nov 18, 2011 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

  • First three frames would be spare, strike, strike.
  • Next four would would be spare, 8,7, spare.
  • Last three would be gutter, gutter, gutter, gutter, gutter, gutter.

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by STLSpidey on Nov 18, 2011 1:39 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Laich would throw a gutter ball

…and celebrate as soon as he released the ball, assuming it was a strike.

by Murshawursha on Nov 18, 2011 1:47 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Oduya question from yesterday – trying to catch-up and I saw that someone asked a question about the Caps and Oduya.

Oduya attended at least 1, I think 2, development camp(s ) while on the Caps reserve list after being drafted. The Caps did not sign him before the required date and he became UFA and signed with the NJDs soon after the same summer.

Most believed the Caps chose not to offer him a contract before their rights to him expired. However, there was one article in a NJ paper leading up to his first game against the Capitals, which made it sound like he chose not to sign an offer from the Capitals and to become a UFA and then signed with the Devils. I tried at the time to try to get some information to clarify that, but I wasn’t able to get any additional information.

by sk84fun_dc on Nov 18, 2011 1:48 PM EST reply actions  

I think replacement search is already underway. Candidates for our new head coach??

How much more time can BB have?? It’s the same thing now for a few seasons the talent is enough to win on most nights.Even on those nights its sloppy half the time.This team neads a new head coach.

Who could it be?

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by RedRocka on Nov 18, 2011 1:49 PM EST reply actions  

I doubt an active search is on. However, GMGM would not be doing his job if he didn’t carry a short list of possible new coaches around in his man purse fanny pack sock.

If this team sputters its way through Christmas, I think they’ll find a new coach under the tree.

Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...

by dcsportsfan1 on Nov 18, 2011 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

And, if past performance is any prediction of future returns, there will be not a lick of evidence there is a search until the announcement is made.

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by STLSpidey on Nov 18, 2011 2:03 PM EST up reply actions  

its hard not to like BB.But I am done thinking that he is the coach to lead this team.The Underachieving on all fronts, and with all the talent.Its inexplicable and its on the head coach.

The Caps are a grossly Underachieving bunch!! Thats all there is to say right now. Things need to be shaken up now so its either players or the coach.I love this team as built so I say the coach has got to go.Sooner rather than later.

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by RedRocka on Nov 18, 2011 2:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Because I’m curious… if “thats all there is to say right now,” why do you go on to say more?

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by J.P. on Nov 18, 2011 2:14 PM EST up reply actions   3 recs

Because I’m curious… if "thats all there is to say right now," why do you go on to say more?



I guess the rest didn’t need to be said right now!!

My question to you J.P. is where do you stand right now on BB. My guess is that you’ve become a pretty powerful guy in Capsland even moreso than you may think.If you were for firing BB and let it be known the pressure would clearly wratchet up!!

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by RedRocka on Nov 19, 2011 12:37 AM EST up reply actions  

I’m on record on this matter – http://www.japersrink.com/2011/5/6/2156955/on-boudreau

But since they didn’t make the move over the summer, I’m in favor of a little more patience right now… but not a ton. More importantly, though, they need to have the right guy lined up as a replacement before they make any move. I don’t think I’d fire Boudreau and then go on a search for his replacement with some interim stopgap in place.

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by J.P. on Nov 19, 2011 10:18 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

There are some eerie similarities in how things are going now as they did in 2007…

The team is pretty listless and not showing much
They’re losing to teams they should beat
Thanksgiving is coming up
The opponent the night before Thanksgiving is Atlanta well, now it’s Winnipeg, but it’s the same team…

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by MikeL-Pivonka on Nov 18, 2011 3:09 PM EST up reply actions  

In the division lead…whoops, we’re supposed to list similarities.

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by Davethecapsfan on Nov 18, 2011 3:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Restless locals becoming increasingly sure that the coach, while a great guy and all, has taken the team as far as he can…

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by J.P. on Nov 18, 2011 3:13 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Actually, I think Bruce can still stay on, but something has to change with the lot… a trade might do something… or maybe having a couple of big name players spend a game in nacho-land. It’d get Semin’s attention, I suspect, if he were a healthy scratch and Perreault was in his place.

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by MikeL-Pivonka on Nov 18, 2011 3:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I wasn’t following the blogs so closely in 2007, but I noticed Ted’s blog today was decidedly fatalistic – for him. The heading “Thud” is telling enough, but then he linked to Kings of Leonsis “When it rains it pours”. When the owner calls out the young guns in his blog and pretty much sums up the teams flaws, it would not be a stretch to expect some changes coming…

by KSR17 on Nov 18, 2011 4:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Ehhh…Leonsis is a hands-off type of owner, right?

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by red army line on Nov 18, 2011 6:05 PM EST up reply actions  

From what I’ve gathered, yes. He talks a lot, but doesn’t strong arm the GM. GMGM does what he wants, though I’m sure he ran the 13yr Ovi contract past Ted before it was signed.

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by Bman21212 on Nov 18, 2011 10:07 PM EST up reply actions  

here’s a quick list of who coached last year and aren’t NHL head coaches, I wouldn’t take any of them

CRAIG RAMSAY (unemployed)
MARC CRAWFORD (unemployed)
CORY CLOUSTON (Head Coach in WHL)
JACQUES LEMAIRE (fossilized?)
TODD RICHARDS (Asst Coach)

there are the old recycled coaches who weren’t in the NHL last year which don’t really make me happy
Guy Carbonneau
Craig MacTavish

Do the Caps go with another coach with no NHL experience? I’d say that’s very doubtful midseason, but possible…

by Beakers Lab on Nov 18, 2011 2:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Mike Keenan

Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...

by dcsportsfan1 on Nov 18, 2011 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

no thank you… but yes I forgot about him

by Beakers Lab on Nov 18, 2011 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Hang on, isn’t Ramsay Kevin Dineen’s assistant in Florida?

Actually, Carbonneau isn’t a terrible choice. I loved him as the Habs’ coach and think that Gainey jumped the gun on firing him (though Martin making the Eastern Conference Final the next year probably invalidated that point…not really. I still like Carbonneau).

What about going the way of the Pens and bringing up the Hershey coach?

by silvsiara on Nov 18, 2011 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

you’re right on Ramsay, I missed that one somehow.

by Beakers Lab on Nov 18, 2011 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

This list by Dreger is a good starting point. I’d look really hard at Kirk Muller.

by Kolzilla on Nov 18, 2011 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

*Link fail… click on this one to take you to a separate window.

by Kolzilla on Nov 18, 2011 2:12 PM EST up reply actions  

er, yeah!

Cross check and all call.

by bigonetimer on Nov 18, 2011 2:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Believe Muller is head coach of Milwaukee, Nashville’s AHL affiliate. If my understanding is correct Caps would need explicit permission from NSH front office to talk to Muller.

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by red army line on Nov 18, 2011 3:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, Ramsay is an asst to Dineen in Florida.

Carbonneau had been coaching the Q team he owns or partially owns (I believe) late last season, but stepped down from the coaching position this summer.

Kirk Muller is the other ex-player, ex-asst coach often mentioned for head coaching positions. Reportedly he didn’t interview very well this summer for some of the head coach openings. He’s the head coach for Nashville’s AHL affiliate in Milwaukee.

by sk84fun_dc on Nov 18, 2011 2:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Here's another

Kirk Mueller. He’s coaching the Preds’ farm team in Milwaukee right now.

Cross check and all call.

by bigonetimer on Nov 18, 2011 2:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t think it is usual to hire someone outside the organization during the season, e.g. another teams assistant or farm coach. You’re probably limited to the unemployment line.

It isn’t even anger-inducing. It does not seem to be worth that kind of emotional investment. It might not even be disappointing any more. It is expected.

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by macvechkin on Nov 18, 2011 2:15 PM EST up reply actions  

And I’d think a coach who’s at least been on an NHL bench would be a good fit to help deal with the egos on the Caps.

by Kolzilla on Nov 18, 2011 2:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Muller was an assistant in MON for five years, and is well regarded for his X’s and O’s on special teams. I think he would ‘get’ Ovechkin, too.

Cross check and all call.

by bigonetimer on Nov 18, 2011 2:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Andy Murray.

Please, call me F&B.

by Rob Parker on Nov 18, 2011 2:16 PM EST up reply actions  

That’d be somewhat ironic.

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by J.P. on Nov 18, 2011 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

In the Boudreau/Murray relationship way or something else?

by sk84fun_dc on Nov 18, 2011 2:20 PM EST up reply actions  

No, in 10,000 spoons when all you need is a knife.

Yes, in the 9/11 connection, etc.

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by J.P. on Nov 18, 2011 2:23 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

(Btw, that was more of a shot at my own lame misuse of “ironic” – didn’t mean it to come off as rude to you, sk8)

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by J.P. on Nov 18, 2011 2:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Ha don’t worry didn’t see of any of the replies until now so read both in sequence. I meant it in the NHL head coach/AHL affiliate head coach to AHL head coach to NHL head coach to being replaced by former ‘coaching boss’ sort of way….so ironic worked …

by sk84fun_dc on Nov 18, 2011 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

First year in the head coaching position at WMU, coaching Garrett Haar (Caps draft pick) among others.

by sk84fun_dc on Nov 18, 2011 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Novak Djokovic.

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by SmallZ827 on Nov 18, 2011 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

 current head coach for the Western Michigan Broncos men’s ice hockey

by Beakers Lab on Nov 18, 2011 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

We could steal Bob Hartley away from Switzerland. He’s currently coaching the team Circles is on.

by Gin and Tonic on Nov 18, 2011 2:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t like the fact that a guy named Bob Hartley has a French accent. Too disconcerting.

by RCheli on Nov 18, 2011 2:36 PM EST up reply actions  

And here’s the crazy thing about Hartley.

In his four full seasons, he lost in the conference finals three times and won the Cup once, his team getting at least 105 points every year (this is pre-3-point games). In his fifth year, he was fired after a not very good 31 games.

That’s a quick trigger, no?

by RCheli on Nov 18, 2011 2:41 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Keep it in the family!
Bengt-Ă…ke Gustafsson is available (now that he was let go by the Moscow Oblast).

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by bagace on Nov 18, 2011 2:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Isn’t Peter Bondra jobless too?

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by CapitalCentre on Nov 18, 2011 3:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Bondra’s never been a head coach before. I’d like someone with some experience at some level.

Gustafsson would be a great choice, considering his experience with the Swedish nationals… but there is that issue with his son…

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by MikeL-Pivonka on Nov 18, 2011 3:21 PM EST up reply actions  

And the fact that he’s never coached in the NHL.

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by J.P. on Nov 18, 2011 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

If we’re going to throw out former Caps greats as candidates for head coaching, we might as well toss Dale Hunter’s name out there. And he’s been a head coach in the OHL for several years now.

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by Wheeler on Nov 18, 2011 3:25 PM EST up reply actions  

My mistake; I thought he coached for the Slovak team, but he was GM.

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by CapitalCentre on Nov 18, 2011 3:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Ted Nolan?

Winnipeg? Winnipeg??? Oy! (And now it's official...)

by MikeL-Pivonka on Nov 18, 2011 3:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Was just a thought…

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by MikeL-Pivonka on Nov 18, 2011 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

No, I know. You were thinking of someone who is the complete opposite of Boudreau, and Nolan would be that. But this team doesn’t need any more baggage than it is already carrying.

by RCheli on Nov 18, 2011 3:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Davis Payne

He isn’t with the Blues anymore.

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by Bman21212 on Nov 18, 2011 3:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Payne is also, by most accounts, a good tactician. But he didn’t do a heck of a lot with his time in St. Louis.

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by Wheeler on Nov 18, 2011 3:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Not sold on that. Blues were a top-3 Corsi team for the majority of the year, and continue to be one of the best shot differential teams in the league. Bad special teams results and poor goaltending create more leaks than a coach can plug.

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by red army line on Nov 18, 2011 3:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, Neil had him as a top-five team weeks ago – the underlying numbers were very, very good.

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by J.P. on Nov 18, 2011 3:56 PM EST up reply actions  

This was the case last year, too, even adjusted for schedule difficulty and back-to-backs. Then they got injured and Halak sucked.

by Knee high to a duck on Nov 18, 2011 5:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree and think he is a good coach. The only problem I could see is he seemed to be less of a hardass than Murry or Hitchcock.

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by Bman21212 on Nov 18, 2011 6:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Yea, I wasn’t overly impressed with the end result, but the Caps have a lot more high end talent to work with so I think it would be a good fit.

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by Bman21212 on Nov 18, 2011 3:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Rob Parker said all of this. I seen him.

Release the Mackan!

by Killer_Carlson on Nov 18, 2011 5:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Fehr and Balanced promptly beat up Rob Parker.

Please, call me F&B.

by Rob Parker on Nov 18, 2011 5:40 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Sic your brother Peter on him.

It isn’t even anger-inducing. It does not seem to be worth that kind of emotional investment. It might not even be disappointing any more. It is expected.

-Peerless 5.6.2011

by macvechkin on Nov 18, 2011 5:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m surprised this is the first Peter Parker joke I’ve seen round these parts.

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by Steckel Me Elmo on Nov 18, 2011 6:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, so am I.

Please, call me F&B.

by Rob Parker on Nov 18, 2011 6:26 PM EST up reply actions  

*Saving up a Dave Parker one for a rainy day.

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by Bald Pollack on Nov 18, 2011 6:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Especially when we have a Spydy on our blog.

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by CapsFan75 on Nov 18, 2011 8:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Y'all would be cooler...

… if you were Parkour…
 

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by Gould Old Days on Nov 18, 2011 8:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Peter Parkour

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by caps&skins on Nov 18, 2011 11:40 PM EST up reply actions  

And isn’t the other brother Paul?

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by Acer Jonesy's Laughker on Nov 18, 2011 6:11 PM EST up reply actions  

So good.

Release the Mackan!

by Killer_Carlson on Nov 18, 2011 9:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Any ideas of who they are? Yesterday someone mentioned that they needed a tactician rather than a teacher. Are there any good tactician’s available?

by KSR17 on Nov 18, 2011 2:02 PM EST reply actions  

Good point. I am one of the last to pile on Bruce but watching the teamwork and hustle of the Pens (gasp, I hate to even type those words) or Dallas, I think someone else needs to pull our guys together. I don’t think the old-school disciplinarian type, but more of a rigid tactician…. like Blysma.

by Wilderthing on Nov 18, 2011 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Hitchcock would’ve been great for this team.

by RCheli on Nov 18, 2011 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

He would have, he’s been doing wonders for the Blues so far.

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by Bman21212 on Nov 18, 2011 3:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Is there a team, besides maybe a tired Detroit squad, that didn’t outhustle the Caps?

by Gin and Tonic on Nov 18, 2011 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

EDM and car.

Please, call me F&B.

by Rob Parker on Nov 18, 2011 2:42 PM EST up reply actions  

It was the Auger show in EDM, so I don’t think evaluating hustle means anything.

Still, 3 out of 17 is really bad.

by Gin and Tonic on Nov 18, 2011 3:07 PM EST up reply actions  

During the win streak I thought the Caps brought the effort more or less every time out. Now? Not so much.

by Kolzilla on Nov 18, 2011 2:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Tampa. They were only in it because Vokoun spotted them 4 goals.

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by RedBirdie on Nov 18, 2011 2:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Nashville…for 55 minutes.

Everything ends badly...otherwise it wouldn't end.

by Davethecapsfan on Nov 18, 2011 3:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Now up to 5 games out of 17 where the Caps weren’t outworked and outhustled.

That is terrible.

by Gin and Tonic on Nov 18, 2011 3:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought I was only supposed to come up with one. We should have beaten the Isles…but Vokoun vomited all over the ice.

Everything ends badly...otherwise it wouldn't end.

by Davethecapsfan on Nov 18, 2011 3:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I was going for more of a total number.

And we’re still over 50% for being outworked.

by Gin and Tonic on Nov 18, 2011 3:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t think we’ve been outworked in over half our games. We’ve had games where we were outworked (if we’re thinking majority of the game) and still won…and we’ve had games where we have outworked them and lost. The troubling part is the spots where we are letting our focus lapse in both cases. Sometimes the other team is going to play better, we like to forget that sometimes. It’s the key times when we absolutely cannot be getting outworked that have burned us quite a bit lately.

Everything ends badly...otherwise it wouldn't end.

by Davethecapsfan on Nov 18, 2011 4:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I do. I think some of the puck luck in the wins have papered over the underlying flaws in how the Caps played.

And I really can’t say that aside from maybe Nashville that I can’t really think that the Caps outworked or matched the level of effort of the opponent in a loss.

The only thing the team can absolutely control is how much effort they bring to each game consistently over 60 minutes of play. I’m not expecting them to win every game, but I would like to see a higher, more consistent level of effort.

by Gin and Tonic on Nov 18, 2011 5:16 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

When you talk about puck luck hiding flaws in wins you have to acknowledge that bad puck luck has also contributed to losses. AO, in particular, has had horrible puck luck this year.

Please, call me F&B.

by Rob Parker on Nov 18, 2011 5:41 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Edmonton. We absolutely destroyed them in 5v5, but thanks to the refs, very little of the second period was played 5v5 =P

by Joran on Nov 18, 2011 8:36 PM EST up reply actions  

We dominated the Panthers on a level I haven’t seen before.

by Caps Homer on Nov 18, 2011 3:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I certainly thought we pretty much handed Philly their asses, especially down low.

by Caps Homer on Nov 18, 2011 3:22 PM EST up reply actions  

The best available tactician coach out there right now is Keenan. I don’t think the Caps should hire him, but he’s by far the best out there…. there aren’t more than five people alive right now who know more about the tactics of the game than Keenan…

Al Arbour is also a master tactician… but he’s 79 years old and not likely to come out of retirement.

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by MikeL-Pivonka on Nov 18, 2011 3:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Becca’s Recap last night:

Unlike last year, when the team was trapped in the losing streak from
hell, the losses they’re accumulating aren’t of the “they played hard
but just couldn’t get the bounces” variety. They’re not losing despite
their play, they’re losing because of it; this isn’t bad luck, it’s
bad hockey.

Katie Carrera on CI earlier today:

Unlike when the Capitals struggled last season, there is a different
feeling about this stretch of 10 games as they’ve gone 3-6-1. These
losses can’t really be boiled down to bad bounces, unfortunate or
uncontrollable circumstances. Many of these defeats have been a
product of Washington’s bad habits.

Great minds rip off the Rink think alike?

Release the Mackan!

by Killer_Carlson on Nov 18, 2011 3:17 PM EST reply actions  

Huh. I, uh, agree with both of them.

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by J.P. on Nov 18, 2011 3:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Second only to “buy him alcohol.”

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by J.P. on Nov 18, 2011 3:35 PM EST up reply actions  

PBR, right?

Please, call me F&B.

by Rob Parker on Nov 18, 2011 3:37 PM EST up reply actions  

JP always seemed like a Michelob Ultra guy to me.

(please don’t ban me)

Release the Mackan!

by Killer_Carlson on Nov 18, 2011 3:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m white trash, and I’m in trouble.

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by J.P. on Nov 18, 2011 3:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, but only an idiot would do that.

Release the Mackan!

by Killer_Carlson on Nov 18, 2011 3:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Everyone knew it was a BeccaRecap night

Everything ends badly...otherwise it wouldn't end.

by Davethecapsfan on Nov 18, 2011 3:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Amazing comment.

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by J.P. on Nov 18, 2011 3:42 PM EST up reply actions  

as Sam Carrier tweeted, an article on Carrier on the Q website (use google translate or something else as it’s in French)

http://www.lhjmq.qc.ca/article/samuel-carrier-un-l-ment-cl-au-succ-s-du-drakkar

by sk84fun_dc on Nov 18, 2011 3:35 PM EST reply actions  

Dilemmas
@SCavelli (Samantha Cavelli)

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by EmilyB on Nov 18, 2011 5:26 PM EST reply actions  

Is she afraid of being Fined?

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by Acer Jonesy's Laughker on Nov 18, 2011 5:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Easy there…

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by J.P. on Nov 18, 2011 8:19 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s some conflict of interest right there.

Don’t try to figure Sasha out. Just ride the wave.

by gfcaps fan on Nov 18, 2011 5:44 PM EST up reply actions  

CnB put together a list of the top 100 2012 draft prospects at the moment by using the ranks from several sources. Yes, it’s Zona, but with minimal commentary.

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by red army line on Nov 18, 2011 6:17 PM EST reply actions  

From Winging it in Motown...

Mike Babcock on the hot seat?

Maybe George is just waiting for the ax to fall in Detroit.

by Murshawursha on Nov 18, 2011 6:20 PM EST reply actions  

I think I would wet myself if Babs was behind our bench.

Cross check and all call.

by bigonetimer on Nov 18, 2011 6:24 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

If it happens, Sign him up, George. D-sooner. D-better.

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by CapsFan75 on Nov 18, 2011 8:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh man I hope the Wings fire him. I would love him on the Caps so much. It would make Vokoun at $1.5 look like a fair signing.

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