Friday Caps Clips: Losing < Winning
by J.P. on Oct 28, 2011 6:55 AM EDT
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- Recaps and other assorted musings on last night's loss (gasp!) from us, Caps365 video (Boudreau, players), Vogs, Capitals Voice, NHL.com, WaPo (Carrera: gamer, blog), WashTimes (Whyno: gamer, blog, blog), 106.7 The Fan (Darr), Examiner (Hoffman), Peerless, Frankovic, SB Nation DC, KOL, RMNB and We Love DC, and from the Oilers side, Edmonton Journal (blog, gamer), Edmonton Sun, Copper & Blue and mc79hockey (scoring chances).
- Five reasons the Caps were 7-0-0. [WTOP (Raby), with more on the differences between last year's team and the current incarnation at 106.7 The Fan (Flaim)]
- Even without Mike Green, the Caps' blueline is deep. [WashTimes (Whyno)]
- We saw a bit of how John Carlson's role changes with Green out last night, but here's more on that topic. [CI (Carrera), CW (Whyno)]
- Practice? We're talkin' 'bout practice, man. [DCEx (McNally)]
- Twenty years ago yesterday, D.C. had its last 8-0 team. [DC Sports Bog]
- Matt Hendricks is looking for that elusive first goal of the year. [WashTimes (Whyno)]
- It's pumpkin-carvin' time, which means it's also pumpkin-carvin' blog post time. [Puck Daddy, Capitals Outsider, RMNB]
- The Bears have a date with their former captain on the horizon. [Patriot-News (Leone)]
- Finally, happy 45th birthday to Benoit Hogue.
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Just so it doesn’t become “Khabbit”-forming.
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by ThePeerless on Oct 28, 2011 7:06 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Auger’d
Frustrating game. If the refs are going to call it tight, then do so for both teams. My favorite was how Alzner got the penalty for falling when he had a stick between his legs. Still the guys needed to keep their sticks down low once they realized they were going to be called for everything. Was pleased to see how strongly they started as well as how much they dominated the third, even if it didn’t result in a goal. Didn’t have the puck luck as Vokoun called it.
by capsyoungguns on Oct 28, 2011 7:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Of course, if you’re gonna get Auger’d, it could be worse – ask Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman.
(Thanks, thanks a lot. Had to fire up my hot tub time machine to go back and get that joke.)
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by J.P. on Oct 28, 2011 7:38 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Why all the hate over a relief pitcher who hits?
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"I worry that we're reaching that point where college-age kids don't know what goatse is anymore."
by Bald Pollack on Oct 28, 2011 7:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Just ask the fans of the Marlins — who you can count on one hand.
(BTW, earlier there was a major league pitcher named Mo Ogier and Ogier was pronounced as OJ also — another French spelling.)
The problem with French names — many alternate spellings, such as the name Perreault.
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Vern Gagne
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Rooting for the Caps from the OBX.
by Acer Jonesy's Laughker on Oct 28, 2011 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Gagne with a spoon?
Winnipeg? Winnipeg??? Oy! (And now it's official...)
by MikeL-Pivonka on Oct 28, 2011 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Auger
Dickslapper
Uncanny, isn’t it?
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by fat_daddyo on Oct 28, 2011 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
And just like that I immediately regret my post.
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"I worry that we're reaching that point where college-age kids don't know what goatse is anymore."
by Bald Pollack on Oct 28, 2011 8:15 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Ha. You had that ready and waiting as soon as you saw the names of the refs.
by capsyoungguns on Oct 28, 2011 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions
I told myself at the beginning of the year I’d feel better if they played hard and lost than if they played lazy and won.
I think I was wrong.
However, they did play a decent game, had EDM on the ropes for several extended periods, and got a little snakebitten. No biggie.
I do wish Brouwer had shot his final chance anywhere but right at Khabibulin, though.
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I had this long, bitter rant about how the Caps played hard and were beaten by an inferior team that couldn’t even put a decent number of shots on net during their 6 billion gifted PP opportunities, but SBN ate it.
Let’s just say I’m still pissed, and missing most of the game for that disaster of a world series game isn’t helping things.
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by RedBirdie on Oct 28, 2011 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Let’s just say I’m still pissed, and missing most of the game for that disaster of a world series game isn’t helping things.
Without getting too OT, that was supposedly a historically great game to watch, but most of the East Coast didn’t get to see it (including me).
Again, not to get into OT too much, but not being a baseball fan, a game 7 world series is one of the better things to watch IMO, unlike a stanley cup game 7 involving the caps…..in which i would be a hot mess
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by OviWankenobi on Oct 28, 2011 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
I can’t even imagine how stressful a Stanley Cup game seven would be if the Caps were involved. What if it went to overtime?
last night was game 6.
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if 100 errors, zero defense, and grooving pitches right down the middle of the plate is “historically great” I suppose it was. I thought it was more akin to the shitshow that was Jets-Flyers.
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As the Rink’s most loyal defender of the men in stripes, even I can’t defend the performance last night. I couldn’t believe Locker was holding it together on the broadcast last night. I just about blew a gasket when they missed Backstrom getting his stick hacked out of his hands. After some very ticky-tack hooking calls, an absurd holding call on Alzner, and a dive on Hendricks (where Hendy didn’t have a prayer of staying on his feet) to miss an obvious slash, especially in light of the weak hooking call that put us down on a 5-3, was unacceptable.
I am a hockey fan first, and a Caps fan second.
by iwearstripes on Oct 28, 2011 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
And considering MP got hit for that exact same thing. Peckham is between 3-4 times the size of MP, but a little whack and MP takes his stick out of his hand? Fuck off. But if that’s a PIM, that’s a PIM…
Then the intermission happened, and it’s not a PIM. Even when it happens to Backstrom who is actually in the fucking play, unlike The Peckham. Just absurd.
Please, call me F&B.
by Rob Parker on Oct 28, 2011 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
The Alzner call was all I needed to see to know that the refs were not calling it right and perhaps not even fair. I can’t recall an instance where the player who has an opponents stick stuck between his legs is the one called for a penalty.
If refs want to call a tight game and whistle every infraction – I don’t like it, but I understand it. When all the ticky tack calls go one way, that’s inexcusable.
by Gin and Tonic on Oct 28, 2011 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Hendricks got slew-footed. Not really sure how he was supposed to stay on his feet there.
I’m usually not one for blaming the refs, but . . . man. After all the ticky tack bullshit they called, there was a Shawn Horcoff crosscheck in the 2nd during endless string ’o penalties that looked like a sure-fire bet for a makeup call. Nope.
Unleash the Apathy.
I pretty much lost my shit during Sutton’s repeated, illegal maulings of MJ90 that went uncalled. Unfortunately so did a lot of the Caps, including MJ90, who got his (just) closing-the-hand penalty shortly thereafter. The refs were not calling this game fairly. There was clear bias. I’m not sure why.
The CnB recap says that Andy Sutton headshots appeared in the second period. Oddly, his only PIM came late in the third. I don’t think they said it explicitly, but even they knew the reffing was horseshit.
Please, call me F&B.
That’s accurate. It was in the 2nd period, and I think the Caps lost their cool a bit after that leading to even more penalties. Mackan sure did – I don’t think he closes his hand on the puck like that otherwise. Had to be extremely frustrated – Smyth nearly breaks your wrist with a vicious slash in the first, then you get absolutely mauled by Sutton – intentionally and repeatedly – with no protection.
I’m not paranoid enough to claim bias or conspiracy. But I am cynical enough to claim complete debilitating incompetence on the part of the refs.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Oct 28, 2011 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Auger isn’t smart enough to pull off a conspiracy of one.
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by D'ohboy on Oct 28, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I bet he has velcro skates.
Once you take the fisting element out, it's not romantic anymore.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Oct 28, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions 9 recs
Ok, I laughed.
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by Alz Well That Ends Well on Oct 28, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not usually either. Maybe if the Hendricks bullshit dive doesn’t get called, I don’t see it through that lens, but that almost felt like a team reputation call. I can’t even begin to imagine how pissed Hendricks must have been – he is not even close to that kind of player.
I just have no other explanation for what went on in the 2nd. Not even so much the calls against the Caps (though many were bogus), but the non-calls on Edmonton and Sutton in particular. It just felt like the refs were sticking it to the Caps for being whiners or something. I fully admit this is tinfoil hat talk, but it’s just, like, my opinion, man.
I thank RMNB for the term “referee strabismus”.
On another note, that Hogue guy was a ballsy, pain-in-the-ass, wasn’t he?
81-1.
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by Acer Jonesy's Laughker on Oct 28, 2011 7:24 AM EDT reply actions
97-1
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by Bman21212 on Oct 28, 2011 7:35 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Behind the Net has a quick and dirty on PDO, “the single-most useful statistic in hockey.”
I am a big fan of PDO and its predictive effects.
Of note, Ovechkin and Backstrom are dead last on the Washington squad.
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It looks like the top line is due for a correction upwards, and the bottom line is likely to plummet. I suspect we’ll have to revise some of the early season narratives.
I am sure the 4th line will have a correction, but I thought MP85 looked fantastic again last night, and I noticed 26 doing a lot of good things as well. The one big mistake 85 made (turning over the puck at neutral ice), he made up for by getting the puck right back. As long as they’re playing like that, I’ll take whatever results come.
They were great to start the game, and drew the first two penalties (although Hendricks got caught diving like a sissy diva that won’t fight through a check…).
Please, call me F&B.
Yeah, Hendy should have used his 3rd and 4th legs to stay upright after having his first two taken out from behind him.
What, only Karl Alzner has the lower body fortitude to do that? Well, he is capable of taking a “holding the stick” penalty with his pants.
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by Alz Well That Ends Well on Oct 28, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Add #1 and #2, and you get a statistic that is almost 100% luck.
ACK! NO!! Hockey is as plain an application of chaos theory as you could imagine in sports. Outcomes are sensitive to initial conditions and those conditions are often many in number. Compare simple 2 and 3-part events. First…shooter, goaltender. Shooter taking a shot from the top of the left wing circle, goaltender facing the shooter. This is the simplest case (we’re not going to consider imperfections in the ice that can affect the lie of the puck or where on the blade of the stick the puck is struck that can influence direction or an ice crystal getting in the goalie’s eye)…shooter shoots, goalie makes the save.
Make this a 3-part event. Introduce, say, a player to screen the goalie. Shooter shoots, goalie might be out of position peering around the screener, might guess wrong on where shot is going because he can’t read it, screener might deflect the puck into the net, into the corner, into the netting above the rink, maybe blocks the shot before he can elude it. It’s the difference between Ty Conklin making the save on Mike Green the other night, and Troy Brouwer sticking himself in front of Conklin and making things more difficult. And that’s a relatively simple 3-part event. Add in more skaters, more traffic, the ability of a shooter to repeat his shot from one instance to the next (the golf swing analogy), those imperfections in the ice and the curve of the stick, etc. The richness in number and complexity of individual elements in the system result in outcomes that might appear “random.”
It’s not “luck.” It’s just that there do not exist adequate models that incorporate the necessary variables to make reliable predictions. It used to be that predicting traffic patterns was a fool’s errand, that is until rules of fluid dynamics were applied to it and models could be applied using computing technology. Hockey might never get to that point of being able to predict with any consistency which shots will go in and which ones won’t (chaos theory suggests we can’t, and frankly, who would want to?), but the outcomes of shots and saves aren’t “luck.”
Nevertheless, PDO is a very elegant tool. Simple, and provides reliable results.
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by ThePeerless on Oct 28, 2011 8:30 AM EDT up reply actions 12 recs
Exactly. There is a definition of the word “luck” floating out there right now that means “anything we can’t currently quantify.”
I agree that PDO captures something about something we’re having a very hard time measuring. I do not concede that we’ll never get that right. Just that it looks like “luck” right now, in the same way that who got sick and who didn’t seemed like “luck” until the advent of microbiology.
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by Gould Old Days on Oct 28, 2011 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions 11 recs
I think “single best/most useful” statistic is a pretty ridiculous claim. Just two years ago it was Plus/Minus Relative to teammaets. Now it’s PDO. Surely we’ll learn more and it’ll be something else.
When is the day when the answer is “what we don’t know is more than we know, so look at everything and temper any conclusions you have from any of these numbers?”
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by Rob Parker on Oct 28, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
When you become the smartest guy ever, you’ll get to make these kinds of calls.
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by fat_daddyo on Oct 28, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Some people just need to read some Socrates. Or listen to Op Ivy.
All I know is that I don’t know…
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by Rob Parker on Oct 28, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
First KITH, know OpIvy. I want to something something something middle school something something pregnant.
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by D'ohboy on Oct 28, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Of course watching yesterday’s Green-less game makes us wonder on how deep the blue line really is.
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It makes me wonder how good Green really is. (I’d say second best player on the Caps, when healthy.)
I’m actually pretty comfortable with Collins on the blue line for a game or two. Sure, he doesn’t have the offensive prowess of Greenie, but he seems pretty solid and comfortable, which is the best that you can ask for from an AHL call-up…
by JMurphyCSC on Oct 28, 2011 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
If the Caps could play Edmonton every night, sure I don’t mind missing Green much. Against Vancouver, it’s a bit of a different story for me.
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by Gould Old Days on Oct 28, 2011 8:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Better, because he would have at least taken a piece out of Andy Sutton.
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Larry Brooks: So did I.
Tortorella: Well, you obviously f***ed that up, didn't you?
Yeah. The shift where Sutton took like three shots at MarJo…that was bad
by DonnieKnutts on Oct 28, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
I didn’t see the Capitals getting too many good hits or being that physical; the" typical" soft SE team.
ugh.Those baby-faced boys running around and we play a track meet style game instead of taking it to them.
Maybe I’m just running on fumes here (no sleep or food) and my irritability is off the charts.
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yeah, it can’t be that hard to put RNH on the ice. Should’ve at least taken the body a few times
by DonnieKnutts on Oct 28, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Thought I heard Locker say RNH did get hurt (and was struggling to get off the ice) in the third period.
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RNH wouldn’t be in the NHL if that were true.
Release the Mackan!
by Killer_Carlson on Oct 28, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I was good with Collins’ play last night as well. He didn’t look like a liability, and when I did notice him, it was because he was (initially) credited with an assist, had a rifle-shot on goal, and made an well-positioned interception of a pass in front of Vokoun. Good job 62.
In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.
Glad I didn’t stay up past the first period. Didn’t want another Ravens episode. Not that we sucked as bad as the Ravens, talking more about staying up until midnight for a nail biter only to lose and drag myself out of bed the next morning.
Khabibulin has to be the most inconsistent goalie from season so season man.
We’ll see how consistent he’ll be for the rest of this season.
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His SV% was terrible. And we totally embarrass him the last time we played him. I’ll never forget the bonehead move he made when he came WAY out of the net to play the puck and I think it was Chimera? that had him beat. Of course at that point I think he knew he had already lost the game so it didn’t matter much
His nickname is kinda’ funny. The "Bulin Wall’
The Berlin wall eventually and epically came a’ crumbin :) and was built by a empire that was destined to fail
Then again, Khabbi’s got a Stanley Cup
And I have a piece of it in my living room…does this mean Khabbi coming to live with me later in the season?
Last night’s loss to Edmonton > the win over Tampa earlier in the season. I can live with them losing despite doing everything the right way.
Seconded. They did not go limply into the night.
by capsyoungguns on Oct 28, 2011 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Just like Rambo getting captured, right before he busts out in a broadside of special effects
RAMPAGE
by JediChewbacca on Oct 28, 2011 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Remember…there are 82 games in a season. 20 of them you’ll win, no matter what you do. 20 of them you’ll lose, no matter what you do. It’s what you do with the rest that make or break a season. Last night was the “lose, no matter what you do” variety.
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Nah…just something I’ve carried around in the “1,001 Cliches to Use After Losses” bag
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by ThePeerless on Oct 28, 2011 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
The 2-1-2
I am calling it here first, be on the look out for it again come spring time…it was effective against us (as always) with a much less mature and deep team.
Piss poor playoff performances perpetuate permutation
I think the 5-5-5 is more likely
(<3 Gabby)
by leacha on Oct 28, 2011 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
In what sense was it “effective”? At drawing penalties?
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by red army line on Oct 28, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I just watched the fight between Suban and Marchand from last night.
Wow. That first swing was an epic miss by Suban. Give him props for going for the instant knockout, though.
For those who missed it...
Sawwwwwwwwwwing and a miss.
Tortorella: Can I get another question? I went in here in a pretty good mood today, too.
Larry Brooks: So did I.
Tortorella: Well, you obviously f***ed that up, didn't you?
by Wheeler on Oct 28, 2011 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Least he threw an actual punch rather than playing a musical instrument.
by Murshawursha on Oct 28, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
If I’m Marchand, I just skate away howling in laughter.
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by ThePeerless on Oct 28, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
There has to be a Puck Daddy PhotoShop or some such contest about this…
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by ThePeerless on Oct 28, 2011 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Apparently they were laughing about it together after the game (which is unsettling, I didn’t know until today that they were friends) – neither one of them is exactly a great fighter. I guess kudos to them for finishing what they started, for having one of those “organic” fights that truly grows out of frustration/game play.
Somewhat related, at intermission I think it was Jamie McLennan who commented on how excited the crowd was during that fight – he basically used it as a reason to support keeping fighting in the game. Now, i’m not sure how I feel about keeping fighting in or taking it out altogether, but I do know that’s kind of a silly argument…people used to sit in an arena and watch other people get eaten by lions, too. And I bet they cheered.
All this proves is that bloodlust/mob mentality didn’t die with the Ancient Romans.
The definition of being a Caps fan is watching the same team over and over and expecting different results.
They won gold together in 2008.
You’d think they’d both have a bit more experience fighting given how much they piss people off. Or maybe it’s the lack of fighting that really pisses people off.
Please, call me F&B.
Speaking of games from last night, it was odd that they decided to show a “Classic” game from the early 90’s amongst all the live action. I mean – a team from Winnipeg – 17 total goals against. That had to be pre-lockout hockey they were showing, right?
When was the last time 17 goals were scored in a game? Sheesh.
It’a always funny when a goalie gets pulled and the replacement gets rained upon just as bad.
Funny, ha-ha
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Pronger’s out, Schenn broke his foot, Bryz couldn’t stop a beach ball if it was handed to him. I’d say it’s rather sunny in Philadelphia….from a certain perspective.
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by ThePeerless on Oct 28, 2011 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Flyers season is looking bleak, Iggles are in last place in the division, and the best team in baseball during the regular season didn’t get past the first round. I’m sure the airwaves on WIP are filled with rainbows and sunshine. : )
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Are you kidding? They haven’t won a game all season. I don’t even think they are attending practice!
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by Alz Well That Ends Well on Oct 28, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Eh, they’ve got the Union-Dynamo playoff game Sunday, they’ll be fine.
/OT
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by Bald Pollack on Oct 28, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Not bad, but why replaces UNNY with lowercase ucky? I’d call it a lack of attention to detail, but the other words are, y’know… right there. In the graphic.
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by Rob Parker on Oct 28, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Am I the only one who is kind of peeved that the Caps, among other teams, have never hosted an NHL draft?
Mirtle posted a stat yesterday saying that Anaheim, Chicago, Dallas, Denver, NJ, NYC, Philly, Phoenix, San Jose, Tampa, Washington, and Winnipeg have never hosted a draft.
It’s not major, but a draft here would be nice.
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Winnipeg will get one before the Caps. I’m surprised Chicago, New York and Philly have never hosted one.
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Yeah, those cities stood out to me as well.
You’d think the NHL would mix it up a bit to “promote” (sad trombone, I know) the game, but apparently not. I mean, Ottawa’s hosted it in 2005 and 2008, for example.
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It should be noted the ’05 draft was the post-lockout one that was not open to the public.
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by Bald Pollack on Oct 28, 2011 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Someone pointed out that NBA/NHL shared arenas may not be available because of the potential for NBA playoffs to interfere with the Draft dates.
Because now I can justify browsing and commenting during the work day with the argument that I am promoting my business.
by Sombrero Guy on Oct 28, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
NBA Lockout ALL the years!
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by Alz Well That Ends Well on Oct 28, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
So we’re free around then, because we have the Wizards.
by jopierce on Oct 28, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
If that’s the case (possible NBA conflict), Ted’s got another place to use: Problem Solved!
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I don’t think this is true. NBA playoffs are over in time for the NHL draft.
But no one gets the draft if they don’t ask for it. maybe those other cities haven’t requested it either. There’s prestige in hosting, but not exactly much money.
Don’t try to figure Sasha out. Just ride the wave.
It’s probably still a rule, just not one that’s particularly important right now because the last NHL draft to be held in early to mid June (during NBA playoffs) was 1990 (and that was in Canada). The NHL has been holding the draft in late June for the past 20 years so there’s no real problem of a date conflict anymore. If the NHL suddenly wanted to go back to early June, then the NBA playoffs would be a problem.
The only way the NHL goes back to early June for the draft is by shortening the season, and that’s not happening.
Really, when there is an NBA season, it starts only a week or two after the NHL and ends about the same time. In 2010 (pretty sure it was then), the NBA season ended first.
Don’t try to figure Sasha out. Just ride the wave.
I don't think it's a rule...
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by Gould Old Days on Oct 28, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh god…the traffic… but I agree, I would like a draft here. Ted would make it happen. Maybe we’ll get it in 2013, when we supposedly also get the Winter Classic.
McPhee amentioned hosting the draft at a chalk talk recently, and how the Caps would like to do so. The NHL needs several days on either side of the actually draft for set up and tear down and related events. For 2012, there’s a scheduling conflict on the VC calendar.
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True; also, before Leonsis owned the building, etc., I don’t believe they pursued hosting the draft.
As far as New York, I’m guessing the time required wouldn’t suit the schedule at MSG.
thinking the same for New York. particularly lately, with a multi-year renovations going on.
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by ThePeerless on Oct 28, 2011 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Hosted or hoisted?
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by Acer Jonesy's Laughker on Oct 28, 2011 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
The Symphony of Whistles
(To avoid lagging the thread no images will be hotlinked. Sorry.)
1st 9:55 Matt Hendricks : Diving
1st 15:23 Alexander Semin : Hooking
1st 16:37 John Carlson : Delaying Game-Puck over glass
1st 17:43 Roman Hamrlik : Hooking
2nd 4:29 Jeff Schultz : Hooking
2nd 12:04 Troy Brouwer : Hooking
2nd 18:14 Karl Alzner : Holding the stick
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by Dimagus on Oct 28, 2011 9:18 AM EDT reply actions 6 recs
I’ve always said that one of the things I like about hockey is that every game presents the opportunity to see something you’ve never, ever thought thought would happen.
That call was one of those, but in a bad way.
Auger is a bad ref. He almost always impacts the game through over-zealous calls. It’s just a matter of whether your team comes out on the long end or the short end of the stick.
Gouldie has covered the shortcomings of NHL officiating, so I won’t rehash it, but I’ll just note that I agree with him very strongly on the matter.
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What recourse do teams have for bad reffing? Does a GM file a formal complaint with the NHL and Ref’s union? Do they just call Bettman directly? Or do they simply say something in the press and accept the fine as a complaint fee?
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Generally none. They can complain. The NHL will do nothing visible externally. Maybe the head of officiating will give the officials a call, let them know they did a shitty job. Some of the bad calls may go on a video of “bad calls you should not make.” But nothing beyond that.
The officiating situation in hockey is really bad right now. There is a dearth of quality officials coming up from the lower ranks. The guys up here are generally better than the guys in the lower leagues (though not always), so shitcanning someone like Auger might give a job to someone who is actually worse. Then again, they did fire Dean Warren.
IIRC, the dearth of officials is why McCreary stuck around as long as he did. He was set to retire but they asked him to stay a little while longer.
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And still, I find NHL refs to be much better at calling games than NBA refs. Sad state of affairs, that.
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No way. NBA refs haven’t blown a single call this season.
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by Rob Parker on Oct 28, 2011 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
I 100% guarantee that those two officials are getting some “teaching points” from their supervisors today. Generally, they’ll have a couple guys who have either been injured to a point where they can no longer works as an on-ice official, or have retired as on ice officials work as supervisory officials, who teach the young guys, and keep the veteran guys sharp.
At the NHL level, you have a video feed you can go through for almost every call, and if they make a brutal call (or call a brutal game – like last night) they’re sure to hear about it. The officiating staff isn’t going to let a guy go out there and screw up a game without saying anything to him. Doing so damages the credibility of every official. They’ll work with him to identify ways he can position himself better to see the play correctly in the future. Obviously, the NHL Officials’ Association isn’t going to let the league make any kind of official statement berating the referees. I’d guess it probably violates the CBA the NHL has with the NHLOA.
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by iwearstripes on Oct 28, 2011 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Re: positioning. It’s a great point, but what infuriates me is that a lot of the blown calls were made by the official who was in textbook position. Take the Hendricks call. When I saw the replay from the angle that showed the front of Hendricks’ jersey, I thought there might be some embellishment. I thought it was totally out of character, but it looked a bit much. But when you look at the angle from behind, you clearly see the leg sweep come through after the hook is sunk in. That angle is clearly not a dive. But the ref that called the dive was watching from that angle. So what the fuck? How is better positioning going to solve a chronic failure of the brain?
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by Rob Parker on Oct 28, 2011 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
In Auger’s case, do you think any of this is getting through to him? He is consistently awful, regardless of who is playing. I appreciate that being an official is a hard and frequently thankless task that people do out of love for the sport, but he’s just bewilderingly bad.
I think the best position for him is on his couch, at home, far away from where he can actually affect the game.
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You are generous. The best position I can think of for him… can’t even be said.
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I’m trying very hard to be nice. Very hard. I’m in an immensely bad mood this morning and I’m trying not in inflict that on the Rink.
but we could revive that discussion about storage units, chest freezers and needing to hire Eric Belanger’s agent…..that’s a pretty suitable place for Auger.
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by Rob Parker on Oct 28, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Not only consistently awful, but also demonstrably biased, right? I mean, when more than two teams have had issues, you’ve got to think there’s something there that would be somehow actionable.
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by CapitalCentre on Oct 28, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think the Caps would be able to stake a claim to Auger intentionally screwing them. Hanlon’s Razor (a corollary of Occam’s Razor) would suggest that it’s more likely his incompetence or inability as opposed to malevolent intentions.
Burrows has a much better claim than we do.
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by Alz Well That Ends Well on Oct 28, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Not in this case, no. I just meant that since he’s more than merely incompetent, he should have been dismissed fairly easily long ago.
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by CapitalCentre on Oct 28, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Wasn’t Auger the ref that some player accused having a grudge or something?
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Auger had his spat with Burrows a couple of seasons back. Auger also levied unsubstantiated claims that Shane Doan used slurs insulting French Canadians. And Doan is one of the most unimpeachable characters in the game today.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Oct 28, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Deserved or not Auger showed a level of personal grudge that is unacceptable.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Oct 28, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not even sure he did. He said something to Burrows in a subsequent game after finding out he’d been embarrassed (by another person, for once). Burrows is a ho-bag and whined to the league.
Is what Auger did (warn a player he’s being watched) any different from what refs do at all levels all the time? Good refs say “careful with your stick, you’re getting a bit reckless” or whatever. I don’t think the fact that he did it pre-game makes it worse. The way he phrased it is relevant, for sure, but I also sure as hell don’t trust what Burrows says. Unless there are obvious examples of Burrows being penalized for literally not doing anything, I don’t give a shit. And you can’t just cite ticky tack fouls on Burrows, because Auger calls bullshit PIMs all the time. So it’s gotta be a clear bias, which I don’t see.
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He got diving and interference calls in that game, if I remember. Then immediately, Sedin gets a trip, then Nashville scores to win it. Then Burrows gets a 10 minute for telling Auger off once the game was sealed.
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by Alz Well That Ends Well on Oct 28, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Here is the dive. Not great quality, but given the call that went against Hendricks (and really, Semin as well earlier in the year), does that look like the most egregious call?
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Can’t watch video, but I don’t doubt that it was a believable call. My problem (and I can’t come down entirely on one side or the other because there’s so much we don’t know) is that Auger didn’t approach him and say “Hey, that was embarrassing to me. Don’t do that anymore.” If we are to believe Burrows, he basically said “I’m coming for you”. There was another article that talked about an NHL ref and player who had an incident in a non-NHL tournament, then in the first NHL game back, the guy got tagged for 3 penalties, “made the surrender sign to the ref”, and then everything was back to normal.
In a perfect world, refs wouldn’t hold a grudge, but neither would players dive/embarrass them/punch people in the face along the glass.
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by Alz Well That Ends Well on Oct 28, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know about that other incident, but it’s messed up.
Do you really believe Burrows? I don’t. I’m as positive as one can be without having heard the conversation that Burrows embellished the claims. Maybe Auger said “you embarrassed me, and I’m going to be looking for that next time.” That’s not the same as “I’m coming for you.” If he was “coming for him” I think Burrows could have probably racked up more than 4 PIM during play.
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I believe Burrows. The specifics were just to specific.
Burrows being a douche doesn’t prevent Auger from being a douche. In that kind of situation, the Ref has to rise above it.
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by Gould Old Days on Oct 28, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Burrows’ version of the conversation and of the events is credible to me. I don’t believe he would lie in that way. I don’t think he’s creative enough. And it’s totally consistent with other things we’ve seen about Auger’s character.
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by Gould Old Days on Oct 28, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I just don’t think you have to be that creative to lie. There’s enough truth there you just tweak one sentence. Instead of “I’ll be watching for that” Burrows claims “I’m coming for you.”
Like I said, none of this should be interpreted as a defense for Auger and his character. I’d absolutely not be shocked if this was true. I’m just not willing to take Burrows’ word at face value, and inherently I don’t have a problem with a ref having a talk with a player.
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It looks like Burrows may have taken two dives, and he tried to clamp Hamhuis’ stick to draw a hook. I’m totally fine with that call, regardless of the ref.
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So let’s say the incident looks bad all around because Burrows is a jackass. What if this happened with someone generally held to be impeachable, like say, Shane Doan?
What’s that? Auger did accuse Doan of making ethnic remarks about the French Canadian referees? And since then, basically everyone has said there’s no evidence of that whatsoever, even noted French Canadian Pierre Lebrun?
None of these things are 100% proof that Auger’s a jerk. But there is a pattern.
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by Alz Well That Ends Well on Oct 28, 2011 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Even more ticky tack than the dive, but there is something there. A bad ref could easily see Burrows put his knee up to impede Ward.
I’m with Gouldie, don’t try to explain as a conspiracy that which can just as easily be explained as incompetence. Especially with NHL refs.
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I do believe that some refs hold grudges, especially short-term. I just think that’s more player-to-player than team-based.
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by Gould Old Days on Oct 28, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s not in the calls for me (because as noted, Auger is a moron, and anything he does re: calls can’t be assumed to have done with any thought). I do think it’s different when a ref seeks a player out as Auger clearly did and sticks with him for a prolonged period of time (as far as discussions between refs and players go) as opposed to just saying “watch the stick” in the action of the game (for example, in the corners or in a post whistle scrum).
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Oct 28, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Auger’s a dope. Burrows’ chickens came home to roost. I’m literally incapable of feeling sympathy for either.
I think the reason the Auger discussion went on longer was because it happened before puck drop so it wasn’t holding up the game, and because I’m positive Burrows chirped back and prolonged it.
I think it’s unrealistic to think people won’t have memories of prior events and will treat each instance as a clean slate. So when Burrows dives, draws the call from Auger, and then Auger goes home and realized he was duped, he’s going to be pissed. Would you rather he just keep quiet and start dinging Burrows? To me that’s no different. The warning, and subsequent whining from Burrows, is what made it an issue. If Auger never said a thing nobody is complaining, but the results are the same.
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The sick thing is, I actually would rather the refs just shut the fuck up and keep it quiet. Auger in particular. I am less likely to believe him than Burrows because of his prior interactions with players. (Notably, his criticisms of Doan).
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Oct 28, 2011 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with this. If there’s smoke, there might be fire. If the ref says “Hey, I R LITING A FIRE!”, it gets harder to talk around as a tin-foil situation.
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by Alz Well That Ends Well on Oct 28, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
That “dive” by Hendricks looks an awful lot like a slew foot.
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by Wheeler on Oct 28, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
And I love how the hook had been sunk in there solidly but no arm was in the air until the “dive” happened. Are you fucking kidding me? That hook was much more than the one Schultz and Brouwer got nailed for. Hamrlik even.
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It’s a good thing my kids were in bed already, because I was a lot more than tempted.
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A couple weeks ago there was a comment, or maybe a tweet saying Semin had been called for the only dive this year. Have there been any since then? If not, then the Caps have 2 diving calls and the rest of the league has none. Semin has that rep, so I understand, but Hendricks? Gimme a break.
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by JimCareyFanClub on Oct 28, 2011 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Matt Cooke was called for one.
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by ThePeerless on Oct 28, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
The Hendricks one is the most egregious. The Schultz and Brouwer ones don’t look like they’re legit either. The Alzner one…. facepalm.
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by _Skullduggery_ on Oct 28, 2011 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions
In terms of the decision to call a penalty and on whom, I think it’s a toss-up between the Alzner and the Hendricks call.
But, since a slew foot is such a dangerous action and Hendricks could have been seriously injured – that does make it worse.
by Gin and Tonic on Oct 28, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Yep—I thought the Hendricks call nosed out the Alzner call.
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by bilspacecadet on Oct 28, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
The one on Hendricks looks like a bit of a slew foot, doesn’t it? Leg behind the knee, pushing back on the torso, resulting in a fall.
The one on Schultz looked like a pretty clean lift check to me. I thought Collins was the one who was going to be dinged on that one.
On Brouwer, it looks like he was getting his stick free and the Oiler clamped the elbow on the stick so it would be called. That’s something that I saw throughout the game.
Alzner’s penalty. WTFO? According to the ref, Alzner’s thought process went like this – Let me put myself in a position where Horcoff will jam his stick into my yambag, once it’s there I’ll squeeze my legs together and keep it there so he can’t get off a shot, then he’ll yank it out forcefully causing me to fall and he will get a penalty. Absolutely absurd.
by Gin and Tonic on Oct 28, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Not an original. I remember it from discussions of Crosby’s historic nut punching of Boris Valabik.
by Gin and Tonic on Oct 28, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Clamping your legs on the stick is a pretty standard tactic. If the F is dumb enough to put it in there and leave it there long enough, the D gets a chance to neutralize his stick and force him into a tripping penalty.
I’ve seen it a thousand times.
I have NEVER seen it called as a holding the stick penalty.
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I know and agree. I’ve never seen it called that way either.
My point was that the catalyst was the stick being between the legs. And to F&B’s point, it got up there real quick, so not much chance for Alzer to catch it in terms of damage control.
If Horcoff hadn’t put the stick there in the first place there couldn’t have been any call. Horcoff initiated. Calling a holding the stick penalty on Alzner implies that he was somehow at fault, like it was his intent to get the stick trapped there. I don’t think that’s how it went, particularly given that it wasn’t trapped at mid-thigh.
Bottom line is that if Horcoff didn’t put his stick there, nothing could be called either way.
by Gin and Tonic on Oct 28, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
For helping the Oilers win by shooting right into the Bulin Wall in the 3rd period.
by Rather Bengt on Oct 28, 2011 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm guessing this was an inside joke
2nd 12:04 Troy Brouwer : Hooking
2nd 12:44 EDM PPG – Jordan Eberle (2) Snap – ASST: C. Potter (5) AND R. Nugent-Hopkins (4)
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That is weird. One would imagine Potter would have gotten 3rd star due to his two assists. Maybe the scorers felt bad that the refs handed the game to the Oil, so they rewarded Brower for leading in hits?
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by Alz in the family on Oct 28, 2011 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Brouwer had a good game last night. He was in the right place a lot, got some good chances and got stoned by Khabby a few times. I would have given it to Ward for his screen on the goal, but they all looked pretty good.
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Oct 28, 2011 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions
I didn’t see the entire game, but it seemed the Caps didn’t have a lot of traffic in front ot the net for their shots. What do you people think? Was the Brouwer behind in Khabi’s mask enough? Did the Caps just run and gun like the failed Montreal throw the -puck and- pray series?
Damn, I hated this farce of a game.
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Not only did Winnipeg score nine goals, and not only did they do it in 25 shots on goal, they only attempted 43 shots. That’s a 20.9 shooting percentage based on attempts alone.
They’ll probably get shut out on 45 shots their next game.
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by ThePeerless on Oct 28, 2011 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
oooh…a double-yolked post
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by ThePeerless on Oct 28, 2011 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
SBN is also throwing fits over how poorly last night’s games went. It’s being rather temperamental this morning.
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by RedBirdie on Oct 28, 2011 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Dave and Bill Christian family in a dispute with the HHOF over Olympic jerseys link
IMO, if no money changed hands, HHOF should give them their jerseys back, but that’s just based on this AP story.
(and Caps-related since Dave Christian is an ex-Cap)
Don’t we have some lawyers here to weigh in on this?
It seems to me that unless there was some agreement signed by the Christians in terms of making a donation, the HHOF calling it one shouldn’t make it so.
That’s like if you tell me I can borrow 50 bucks and when I get it I say thanks for giving me 50 bucks and if you don’t correct me then I can consider it a gift even though the original agreement was a loan.
by Gin and Tonic on Oct 28, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
What actually happened and the legal issues, a different topic and not one that I think can be understood completely from an AP story.
The way it’s presented in the AP story and the ‘facts’ described plus public opinion with this hitting the press favors the Christian family.
It’s a good point. Don’t ever believe the press version of any legal issue. It’s not just that they get the law wrong — they habitually get the facts wrong. The McDonalds hot coffee in the lap story comes to mind.
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by Gould Old Days on Oct 28, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
If you had Game 8 in the pool for the first “Their goalie played unbelievable tonight” quote from Ovie…collect your prize at the door.
Joe B mentioned a couple of times last night the game in Edmonton a few years back when Ovie absolutely took over and put the team on his back en route to a victory. We all remember that game. So, the fact that that didn’t happen last night…is this a sign of (1) a more balanced Caps’ team, in which Ovie doesn’t HAVE to do everything? or (2) Ovie’s decline.
Or (3) those are rare games and it’s just not going to happen at will. Or (4) all of the above.
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Ovie had seven shots on goal last night, so he was certainly doing his part. And though he wasn’t credited with a single hit (which is somewhat absurd, given the way he was playing) he was certainly involved.
Oh, and it turns out that his line can cycle well when they want to.
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I think if Ovie scores instead of hitting the crossbar at the end of the game, the narrative is a lot different. I though Ovie looked great last night and was showing some of that old explosiveness. I also wish we got to see the Caps on that ice for 82 games, though the “Sweet Georgia Brown” potential might be too much.
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by Alz Well That Ends Well on Oct 28, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Unrelated to the Caps game, I love that Price made a Bill Buckner reference after the game. Awesome.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Oct 28, 2011 11:10 AM EDT reply actions
Yeah, that struck me as a well-played dagger.
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by Alz Well That Ends Well on Oct 28, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
I grew up as a Red Sox fan and even I laughed (although to be fair, Buckner happened when I was about 4, so…). I also imagine my dad developing a strange facial twitch after reading that quote, which is all kinds of awesome.
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by Alz Well That Ends Well on Oct 28, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
That didn’t make certain players any more enthused about the penalties they were called for. Johansson was not happy about being called for closing his hand on the puck — replays showed the second-year center wrapping his hand around the puck as he tried to swat it out of the zone.
Funny, that’s the least questionable of all the Caps PIMs last night.
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Seriously. Of all the calls to criticize…
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Oct 28, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Least questionable was Carlson’s DOG, no?
by DonnieKnutts on Oct 28, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
There has to be some discretion on those calls. I don’t know whether there is any room in the rule book, but Carlson was trying to swat a puck out of mid-air. He clearly never had control of the puck. That’s just BS.
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They really need to change that rule for situations like that. Cause as it is now, that is babytown frolics.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Oct 28, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
that whole fucking game was babytown frolics
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Oh I am aware. I’m pissed that the Caps played well and the refs just bent them over and basically handed the Oilers the game.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Oct 28, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
and then the Oilers still nearly blew it. 8 PPs and 13 SOG? inexcusable. I hope all those skaters buy Khabibulin some nice steak dinners
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jesus christ, that’s worse than I thought. jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesus.
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Seriously. Complete domination by the Caps at evens and some pretty good PK work. I liked what I saw from the Caps last night.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Oct 28, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
The rule book actually uses the term swat when describing this penalty. It was a legit call.
Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...
by dcsportsfan1 on Oct 28, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I actually thought that was more of a deflection, but I don’t think that was replayed. Even Sasha’s penalty looked pretty tick-tacky.
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Sasha was clear in on the hands, he’s going to get called on that almost every time. Harmlik got in on the hands as well. I don’t think Schultz or Brouwer actually hooked their guys, though.
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You see those two calls (28 and 44) sometimes, and sometimes you don’t – their sticks were briefly in the hands, and although they didn’t spin their guy around or actually move the other guys’ hands or stick, Sasha at least caused his guy to lose possession.
I can live with that call.
But how ’bout when AO drove the net and had the exact same thing happen? Quick little hook, caused him to lose possession? How about when Sutton cross-checked MoJo in the corner and caused him to lose the puck?
8 – 1 PP disparity when the team with the 1 is running rampant in the zone? I dislike bitching about bad officiating when it’s even, but that was babytown frolics.
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Yeah, that was what stuck out to me. Brooks’ comments about being out-worked aside, the Caps were dominating 5-5 last night, and yet couldn’t buy a penalty. But Edmonton, who had zero zone possession (except on the PP) was getting hauled down constantly? Whenever a team is penalized more heavily on the obstruction calls, we always hear “Well, out-skate or out-work the other team and you’ll get the calls instead.” But that wasn’t the case last night. Frustrating to say the least.
J.P.: You might be the king of all geeks here…
by Alz Well That Ends Well on Oct 28, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Note to M. Johansson…
When seeking advice on how to bat a loose puck out of the defensive zone, do not ask this player
…ever
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by ThePeerless on Oct 28, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Wow, I actually don’t remember it like that. I thought it was along the boards and he was tossing it into the o-zone from center.
You tried your best and failed miserably. The lesson is "Never Try."
He did that too..I just couldn’t find a video of it.
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by ThePeerless on Oct 28, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
couldn’t find a video for that one.
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by ThePeerless on Oct 28, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m so late to the party, and if this was mentioned already I’m sorry.
Ovechkin looked good last night (particularly in the 3rd). He was hitting people, making moves, taking shots – he had a little bit of that spark back that we know he has. I’m hoping the loss keeps that fire going under him and he continues to bring that same level of intensity (and even more). I’m sure if he does, the goals will start to pile on.
Pic from the Flyers Locker Room last night
by Rather Bengt on Oct 28, 2011 12:43 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
So F & B and Neil Greenberg are having a good twitter discussion about Nugent-Hopkins staying up and burning an ELC year on a non-contending team.
I think it’s impractical and unrealistic to hold RNH back if he can already hang at the NHL level.
They’re also trying to get money for a stadium aren’t they?
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I agree that it’s not a good idea to hold back a kid in junior hockey that can play more than a little bit at the NHL level.
There’s also the fact that the Oilers are currently tied for first in their division and are two points back of the top team in the conference with a game in hand. Surely the season will take its toll, but they are legitimately in the hunt for a playoff spot. That’s a big deal and sending RNH down would send a terrible message to the rest of the team and the fans. They may not be ready to contend for the Cup, but a lot of reasonable minds might say that even a 4-game sweep in the first round would teach their kids about playoff hockey and pay dividends down the road.
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A Hershey reunion just now in the Vancouver dressing room, just met up with former Caps farmhand Steve Pinizzotto.
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Pinner’s stall in the VAN dressing room, right next to both Sedins. He also said he’s a week or so from returning to the ice. Great news.
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Looks like no Green tomorrow night in Vancouver. Le Sigh.
What’s amazing is that if he really twisted the ankle when he took the puck to the chin, he was able to finish the game and continue to rack up points.
Don’t try to figure Sasha out. Just ride the wave.
If he never took the skate off until after the game, the compression would have kept things from swelling and becoming too problematic. That’s about the only explanation I can think of, anyway…. he might well have thought, “ow,” at the time, and then when he took the skate off at the end of the game, “$#%!6$! OWWWW!”
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I think that’s pretty likely. Players frequently refuse to take their skates off until the game is over if they’ve been hit in the foot with a shot or something like that. While the foot is in the skate you keep the swelling down and run on adrenaline. And keep doing damage. The next day…
Please, call me F&B.
Exactly. The next day, it’s 87 kinds of FUBAR. :-/
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by IRockTheRed on Oct 28, 2011 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions
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