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Did anyone else notice Goc give Halpern a little nudge that sent Jeff headfirst into the end boards last night? It can be seen about 1:50 into the recap reel. I can’t tell if Halpy toe picked or whether the bump totally threw him off.

Is there any chance Goc will end up in front of Shanny. I remember from a couple weeks ago a similar play resulted in some games but I don’t remember the details.

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by Sct112 on Oct 19, 2011 7:06 AM EDT reply actions  

I saw that and was worried. Haven’t seen t in replay so I’m not sure how egregious it was.

by capsyoungguns on Oct 19, 2011 7:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

I am going to call BS on Bylsma for this one:

Referring to Burmistrov, Bylsma said, “It’s slightly unfortunate in that it’s a player who knows he’s going to be hit but allows himself to be hit. At the same time, we went aggressively into the check.”

Uh, this isn’t a case where a guy turns at the last second. Burmistrov was going to the boards to play the puck and the play was completely in front of Letang who “checked” him squarely from behind. It’s textbook boarding and reckless play, exactly what Shanahan wants to eliminate from the game. It’s just disappointing that Bylsma can’t simply accept that Letang boarded Burmistrov, something that Letang has done on more than one occasion. If the suspension gives Letang some time to think about his reckless play and adjust his game, then good on Shanahan.

by avatarless on Oct 19, 2011 8:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

That sense of entitlement starts with their ownership and trickles down

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by Sombrero Guy on Oct 19, 2011 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bylsma always has excuses and blinders on for his players. Then again, that’s kind of the coach’s job. I’m glad the league stepped in – Letang is a secretly dirty player, hopefully this clips his wings a little.

by grapejoos on Oct 19, 2011 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Pointed out the Letang thing when the whole Beagle v. Asham discussion was happening. Very few times does any player actually take liberties against Letang vs. just giving back equally what they get. Letang does his best Brooks Orpik impressions away from the puck all the time.

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by Davethecapsfan on Oct 19, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

As a whole, the Penguins are a pretty rough and tumble (read: dirty) team. I’m almost positive they’ve been top-3 in hits and in minor penalties the past few years and top in overall penalties last year. I may be stringing along stats to produce a narrative. . .but it’s a rather convincing narrative.

If there was a resource to see what team had the most stick penalties, i’d wager the Pens top the list. I wonder how much of it is Bylsma’s influence?

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by kingzman264 on Oct 19, 2011 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

In 2010-2011, Pittsburgh had the second-most PIM/game in the NHL, trailing only the Islanders. They lead the league in minor penalties with 374, total penalties, and second-most in major penalties and game misconducts.

They weren’t top 3 in any category in 2009-2010, though they had the sixth most PIM/g. Philly lead the league that season, as well as the season before.

This season, keeping in mind absurdly small sample size and that some teams have played a lot more that others, find the Rangers leading the way on penalties Pittsburgh being relatively clean (consider they just had a guy suspended), and Detroit and Washington are the two least penalized teams, as far as PIM/g.

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by RedBirdie on Oct 19, 2011 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is the kind of “class” that pens fans applaud Bylsma for. He might give a classy quote (with multisyllabic words that sound nice) but the meat of his quotes displays special kind of homerism and lack of accountability. Most of the time he’d probably be better off not saying anything rather than defend defenseless actions by his players.

Suspend Colin Campbell!

by snowburnt on Oct 19, 2011 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not sure that’s entirely fair… How often do you hear a coach outright condemn the actions of one of his players in a case like this?

by Murshawursha on Oct 19, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Outright condemn isn’t necessary, but there were cases where someone like Cooke does a flying elbow to someone’s head and in the presser he says the other player was in the wrong. He could have said something like: I didn’t get a good look, we’ll look at it later; or something vague. Instead he goes in the entirely opposite direction and attacks the victim or completely absolves his player.

Suspend Colin Campbell!

by snowburnt on Oct 19, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Most of the time he’d probably be better off not saying anything rather than defend defenseless actions by his players.

I suppose if I’d have just read the end of your first post I’d have picked that up on my own… Derp. My bad.

I dunno. Watching the the replay, I think Burmistrov probably could have gone into the boards at an angle to get that puck out rather than squaring to them and turning his back to Letang. That said, Letang probably should have let up instead of finishing the check once he did.

by Murshawursha on Oct 19, 2011 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

haven’t you ever seen Might Ducks? Coach Bombay wants Charlie to elbow the guy next time he gets his stick up in charlie’s face. But Charlie won’t do it.

That’s what this reminds me of.

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by aaw6848 on Oct 19, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Actually he wants him to clutch his eye like he’s been hurt. But a coach would never ask a player to take a dive…

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by Alz Well That Ends Well on Oct 19, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

That’s it! I knew it was something like that.

Coach’s seeing past dirty play..but the players upholding the rules of the game.

by aaw6848 on Oct 19, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

“Take the fall, act hurt…”

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by Davethecapsfan on Oct 19, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cake eater.

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by Alz Well That Ends Well on Oct 19, 2011 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I saw that, and was wondering why there wasn’t a call. I could see Shanny giving it a look. Is Goc a first-time offender?

My mind is all twisted like a peanut.

by timmyv38 on Oct 19, 2011 8:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

a lot of non-calls last night. Including Green getting speared. I know we sorts wanted to refs to just let them play because that plays to the caps strengths, but penalties are penalties.

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by RedBirdie on Oct 19, 2011 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

The spear on Green and Goc boarding Halpern were the two worst non-calls. A lot of the others were borderline – and I’m fine with the refs not calling them, as long as they’re consistent.

My mind is all twisted like a peanut.

by timmyv38 on Oct 19, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

I dunno, practically every time a florida skater actually got to the puck first in their own end (admittedly infrequently), the next thing they did was latch onto the stick of the closest Cap and drag him along like a Radio Flyer Wagon.

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by Boggles on Oct 19, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

I know the lack of PPs contributed to this…but still….

No Washington forward had more than Alex Ovechkin’s 17:35

Any idea when the last time Ovechkin’s minutes were managed so well?

by Yoshietree on Oct 19, 2011 7:24 AM EDT reply actions  

He had 15:24 (0 on the PP) last March vs. NJD right before missing three games and had had 16:07 (1:57 on the PP) in a game last March vs. CAR a week earlier.

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by J.P. on Oct 19, 2011 7:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

If you guys watch the latest Shanny video on Letang, he’s looking a little grumpy.

by Brainumbc on Oct 19, 2011 7:26 AM EDT reply actions  

He’s been looking grumpy since he realized the tedious chore it is to make the videos. I wonder if when he goes home to his family , he walks in the door and says “I’m Brendan Shannahan, NHL Vice President in charge of Player Safety.”

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by MikeL-Pivonka on Oct 19, 2011 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Next year he’ll have some lackey do the videos and close them with, “so sayeth Brendan Shanahan.”

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by ThePeerless on Oct 19, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m NOT Brendan Shanahan, but I’m playing him on TV.

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by AMusingFool on Oct 19, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

“You guys know who I am and you know why I’m having to make this damn video. When will you idiots learn that driving a guy into the board is not okay?! &*#%!”

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by RedBirdie on Oct 19, 2011 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

He did say in an interview that there were many outtakes… maybe one day some of those will leak out….

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by MikeL-Pivonka on Oct 19, 2011 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

By the end of the year he’s going to look haggard and holding a Jack Daniels bottle while appearing in these videos.

by KD1 on Oct 19, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I had read/heard that Rob Blake was supposed to be doing some of the videos as well, but haven’t seen any by him, to date.

by sk84fun_dc on Oct 19, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Real Sports did a piece last night on fighters, concussions and CTE. Pretty much what you’d expect (kinda sad as Bernard Goldberg does some great stuff for that show), if nothing else the takeaway for me was watching Cam Stewart talk. He coached Boogaard and you can tell he’s still trying to process it.

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by Bald Pollack on Oct 19, 2011 8:18 AM EDT reply actions  

Curious

I know it is early and all that small sample size jazz, but I have two questions:

1. If you drafted Ovi in your fantasy pool, how did you do week 1?

2. Has anyone tried to get Ovi from you yet? If so, what did they offer?

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by NGreenberg on Oct 19, 2011 8:20 AM EDT reply actions  

1. I picked up Ovechkin with the #3 overall pick. Won Week 1 7-3-1…no thanks to him.

2. No.

by Yoshietree on Oct 19, 2011 8:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not sure if this will help satisfy your curiousity on point 2, but it may.

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by J.P. on Oct 19, 2011 8:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t have CBS account. Can you give me the Cliff Notes?

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by NGreenberg on Oct 19, 2011 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, didn’t realize you needed one.

Does this link work (I put it in a Gdoc)?

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by J.P. on Oct 19, 2011 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks.

Wow: Ovechkin, Alex for Iginla, Jarome and Thomas, Tim

This is interesting, esp if keeper league: Ovechkin, Alex for Seguin, Tyler and Tavares, John

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by NGreenberg on Oct 19, 2011 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

It also depends what is going on with a team from other players to stats considered to goalie situation. Something I always think about when looking at percent owned etc. for other players.

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by sk84fun_dc on Oct 19, 2011 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Btw, the new sig line is a little bit sad.

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by J.P. on Oct 19, 2011 8:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

I asked you to make Japers’ Rink Insider, but you declined.

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by NGreenberg on Oct 19, 2011 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

You failed to meet our minimum blood alcohol content standard.

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by J.P. on Oct 19, 2011 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

I like to think F&B, BP and I are all working to increase the average BAC (Blog Alcohol Content).

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by D'ohboy on Oct 19, 2011 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

What happened to RMNB?

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by fat_daddyo on Oct 19, 2011 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

What happened to RMNB?

Nothing happened. They are still alive and well.

ESPN has me working on a proprietary metric (look for it next week!) and some other weekly features so I felt I needed to distance myself so as to not look biased in any way.

Also, WaPo has me doing more NHL analysis (check that out tomorrow!) so from a workload perspective it was time to move on.

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by NGreenberg on Oct 19, 2011 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good luck sir.

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by Bald Pollack on Oct 19, 2011 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nice of them to let you go freely. Any of my writers try to leave and I’ll gut ’em.

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by J.P. on Oct 19, 2011 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Synergy!

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by NGreenberg on Oct 19, 2011 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

It’s like the mob, then?

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by fat_daddyo on Oct 19, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’ll take pleasure in guttin’ you, boy…

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by ThePeerless on Oct 19, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions   3 recs

What is wrong with these people, huh? Mason? Don’t you think there’s a lot of, uh, a lot of anger flowing around this island? Kind of a pubescent volatility? Don’t you think? A lotta angst, a lot of “I’m sixteen, I’m angry at Bruce Boudreau” syndrome? I mean grow up! We’re stuck on an island with a bunch of violence-for-pleasure-seeking psycophatic marines, SHAME-ON-THEM!

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by Alz Well That Ends Well on Oct 19, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Welcome to The Rec.

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by J.P. on Oct 19, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Has your injury report come out yet? Any word on why Semin’s ankle injury should be a concern as a possible recurring/career-threatening injury?

Obviously, this is all speculation.

by Rob Parker on Oct 19, 2011 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Has your injury report come out yet? Any word on why Semin’s ankle injury should be a concern as a possible recurring/career-threatening injury?

Not yet. That’s unfortunately moved to the back burner for now and may be something I pick up again in the off-season.

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by NGreenberg on Oct 19, 2011 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’d just like to point out that Semin has one ankle injury on his profile (2007), so I’m real curious as to why you think that should be a significant concern.

Obviously, this is all speculation.

by Rob Parker on Oct 19, 2011 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

IIRC it kept him in and out of the lineup five times. But again, the analysis I have done is preliminary and I am not going to debate it right now.

Hopefully I have time in the near future for something a little more substantive.

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by NGreenberg on Oct 19, 2011 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but it was one season, in-and-out just means he kept trying to come back too soon. Unless it happens in different seasons (or with like 30 healthy games in between) I don’t think it’s fair to call it a separate injury. Ankle injuries are tough to recover from within a season, but I’m not aware of guys that have had them hamper them for a career after they got a summer to heal. I don’t need the full post, just looking for one example.

Obviously, this is all speculation.

by Rob Parker on Oct 19, 2011 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t need the full post, just looking for one example.

Something for you to look forward to in the offseason I guess, cause it is not on my radar in the short term.

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by NGreenberg on Oct 19, 2011 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

(look for it next week!) …… (check that out tomorrow!)

I see you’ve already mastered the “throw out a teaser so they’ll buy a copy” journalism course. Well done.

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by bagace on Oct 19, 2011 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

It came with my Jimmy Olsen decoder ring.

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by NGreenberg on Oct 19, 2011 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bummer, but congrats on what I presume are better paying gigs.

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by fat_daddyo on Oct 19, 2011 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Natty kept AO in our keeper league and dropped a 10-0-0 beat down on his poor, unsuspecting opponent. Not sure how much AO helped there, though.

Obviously, this is all speculation.

by Rob Parker on Oct 19, 2011 8:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

boom! i can confirm that AO did nothing for me (thank you tavares, letang, burrows, jimmy howard, RNH). i can also confirm that i will not be trading AO and no one has been stupid enough to low-ball me.

by Natty Bumppo on Oct 19, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Natty! We’ve missed you around here.

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by RedBirdie on Oct 19, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

aw shucks! life is more busy than before, but i’m still keeping tabs and archiving away, i promise.

by Natty Bumppo on Oct 19, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

I"ll have you know htat was me…I missed the draft due to being on road and came back to a decimated roster…playing with the fantasy version of an AHL team right now (excluding my keepers of course).

by Yoshietree on Oct 19, 2011 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: #1 – probably about as well as those who drafted Perry.

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by Killer_Carlson on Oct 19, 2011 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Or had him as a keeper.

At least Perry’s going to get me some PIMs.

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by D'ohboy on Oct 19, 2011 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Interesting stuff from Jimmy Mirts on Kessel: http://t.co/KbmtDOgh

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by J.P. on Oct 19, 2011 8:51 AM EDT reply actions  

Didn’t I pick Kessel when there was the “Draft from scratch” debate on the Rink? Patrick Sharp too, IIRC.

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by NGreenberg on Oct 19, 2011 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Indeed you were extremely high on those two.

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by J.P. on Oct 19, 2011 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Plenty of time for that projection to come back to earth.

Obviously, this is all speculation.

by Rob Parker on Oct 19, 2011 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

True, but Kessel generates a ton of shots. It doesn’t take much for him to be 35+ in goals.

If the O/U is 30 goals, I bet the over.

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by NGreenberg on Oct 19, 2011 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t believe that’s where any of the disagreement was. The push back was on calling Kessel a top-5 guy. I don’t think his hot start is enough to push him anywhere near top-5 level.

Obviously, this is all speculation.

by Rob Parker on Oct 19, 2011 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

The push back was on calling Kessel a top-5 guy. I don’t think his hot start is enough to push him anywhere near top-5 level.

You’re right. And I maintain he will be. Just a few more months and we will see who is right.

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by NGreenberg on Oct 19, 2011 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

I assume we’re talking top-5 player, not goal-scorer, right? By what metric (if you had to choose one as your proxy) are we to judge?

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by J.P. on Oct 19, 2011 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, I think he is going to have an all-around solid year. I think he could be in Top 5 of GVT. I don’t know of any other all-inclusive metric to use.

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by NGreenberg on Oct 19, 2011 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

And we’re talking just skaters if we’re talking top-5 in GVT, right?

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by J.P. on Oct 19, 2011 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

You’ve got to, goalies are definitely inflated relative to skaters. If you count Gs there’s no chance, there will only be two skaters, tops, in the top-5 GVT I suspect. And GVT is also favorable to Kessel because it minimizes his glaring weakness, but even given that, I think there will be more than 5 skaters with higher GVT.

Obviously, this is all speculation.

by Rob Parker on Oct 19, 2011 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

And GVT is also favorable to Kessel because it minimizes his glaring weakness, but even given that, I think there will be more than 5 skaters with higher GVT.

I am open to suggestions, but I think it is going to be tough to agree on one.

At the end of the season I think Kessel will be one of the most valuable players to his team overall. Like porn, I think we will know it when we see it.

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by NGreenberg on Oct 19, 2011 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Right. And if he’s sixth, I don’t think anyone’s gonna say, “Man, Neil was waaaaay off base on that.”

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by J.P. on Oct 19, 2011 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sure about that?

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by NGreenberg on Oct 19, 2011 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Something for you to look forward to in the offseason I guess.

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by J.P. on Oct 19, 2011 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Well played.

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by NGreenberg on Oct 19, 2011 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

If he’s sixth I don’t think you’ll get picked on too hard. I don’t think he’ll be top 10. I’m confident there will be at least 10 guys that clearly are better players at the end of this year.

Obviously, this is all speculation.

by Rob Parker on Oct 19, 2011 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

If you’re going to try to do it based on one number, I think you’ll be wrong. Hockey ain’t there.

by Knee high to a duck on Oct 19, 2011 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Since we’re going to ignore context, why don’t we use PC? More encompassing, no?

by Knee high to a duck on Oct 19, 2011 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I mean, hell, let’s use Kovalchuk. Demonstrably better shooter, cranks out high volumes, explosive skater, yadda yadda yadda. Where are you putting him in NHL rank?

by Knee high to a duck on Oct 19, 2011 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

There is the fact that Kessel is at that age where we may very well see another big leap in his numbers. His production has been around 30-30-60 for the past three seasons (since age 21), so I wouldn’t be surprised if he gets up to 35-35-70, maybe even higher.

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by red army line on Oct 19, 2011 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kessel’s good play is closely associated with the Leafs winning. But I don’t know if the Leafs win because he’s playing well or if he plays well and the Leafs win.

by RCheli on Oct 19, 2011 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

The 30+ shooting percentage is impressive.

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by fat_daddyo on Oct 19, 2011 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, it’s nut, err, nuts.

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by J.P. on Oct 19, 2011 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions   3 recs

Nope. Just nut.

Unleash the Apathy.

by D'ohboy on Oct 19, 2011 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions   4 recs

And completely sustainable.

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by NGreenberg on Oct 19, 2011 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Like rope-grown mussels.

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by J.P. on Oct 19, 2011 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Fer sher, fer sher.

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by fat_daddyo on Oct 19, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

So in general I hate the “All your fault” chants, but last night (and I know it has been done before), it was done after the caps scored the empty net goal. How the heck can it be the goalie’s fault when he was pulled from the play?

I know there are loads of more stupid chants people use, but this one doesn’t even make sense to me.

I enjoyed the game though, kinda amazing the Panthers only had 2 shots in the first.

I like Laich, but I <3 Green
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by RockinRed4Life on Oct 19, 2011 9:29 AM EDT reply actions  

I believe the summit of Mt. Stupidity has been reached.

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by J.P. on Oct 19, 2011 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not a fan of the chant in any situation, but that one sounds like a tie with the silliness of counting from 1 when there’s been a goalie change.

by sk84fun_dc on Oct 19, 2011 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

who cares?

The fans of the opposing team care.

I’m still up in the air which one is more annoying, but I think I can safely say right now after giving it some thought that both are more annoying.

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by sydtron on Oct 19, 2011 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

I care.

Unleash the Apathy.

by D'ohboy on Oct 19, 2011 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

But Semin doesn’t.

Unleash the Apathy.

by D'ohboy on Oct 19, 2011 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions   4 recs

Yeah that one gets me too. There is very little in the game I care about more than when the opposition gets a point against my team…

I like Laich, but I <3 Green
Keep the faith!!!!!!

by RockinRed4Life on Oct 19, 2011 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

How the heck can it be the goalie’s fault when he was pulled from the play?

Law of transitivity.

If A = B, and B = C, then A = C. In this instance, if it was the goalie’s fault for the fiirst two goals, and the two goal deficit led to an empty net situation, then it was the goalie’s fault for the empty net situation.

QED

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by ThePeerless on Oct 19, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions   4 recs

Concussion discussion continued… so following up on yesterday (and other days) discussion about Laich’s comments, etc.

An article on Andy McDonald’s latest injury by Rutherford.

“In the wake of Andy McDonald being cleared to return to a game in which he was concussed, there are concerns that the NHL’s newly established protocol for evaluating a player’s condition in-game may not be sufficient….”

by sk84fun_dc on Oct 19, 2011 9:32 AM EDT reply actions  

Andy McDonald just out-smarted the system, can’t fault the NHL.

Obviously, this is all speculation.

by Rob Parker on Oct 19, 2011 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

‘Cos he’s smrt like that.

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by EmilyB on Oct 19, 2011 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

He’s overcome inferior education. A true hero.

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by J.P. on Oct 19, 2011 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

True Canadian hero. Someday you’ll get to visit the Stanley Cup in Syracuse…

Obviously, this is all speculation.

by Rob Parker on Oct 19, 2011 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

When Tim Connolly or Jimmy Howard wins it?

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by J.P. on Oct 19, 2011 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Tim Connolly is no doubt on the cusp.

Obviously, this is all speculation.

by Rob Parker on Oct 19, 2011 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Closer than Rob Schremp.

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by J.P. on Oct 19, 2011 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

True enough. Kessel keeps up his torrid pace and TOR is right there.

Obviously, this is all speculation.

by Rob Parker on Oct 19, 2011 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Captions Needed!

Voksie dear, you know the NHL is getting this all on camera.
Sasha, hold on, lemme help you with that.

by Uncle C on Oct 19, 2011 9:36 AM EDT reply actions   4 recs

I could make a caption

but it’s not worth getting banned over it….

by thewiz06 on Oct 19, 2011 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sasha: Help, it’s caught in my zipper!

I like Laich, but I <3 Green
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by RockinRed4Life on Oct 19, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Game over

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by fat_daddyo on Oct 19, 2011 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

somewhere, Neuvy is watching and thinking “At least he didn’t bring the puck into the net with him this time.”

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by RedBirdie on Oct 19, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

And also, “Hey, being his chair is not as bad as I thought.”

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by WordsOnIce on Oct 19, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

First you make two bunny ears, then fold one under like this….

by Goaliemama on Oct 19, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

 — not a capition btw

Geezus Semin, how many inopportune photos can you find yourself in? First sitting in Neuvys lap at practice and now this?

What doesnt kill you makes you stronger.

by BetterOffWith28 on Oct 19, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

He’s just cuddly like that.

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by LittleMissWhiskey on Oct 19, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

winner.

In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.

by skyywise on Oct 19, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

epic

Cross check and all call.

by bigonetimer on Oct 19, 2011 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

:-)

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by WordsOnIce on Oct 19, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

“I didn’t know you liked me that way………….”

by KD1 on Oct 19, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

C’mon buddy.

Unleash the Apathy.

by D'ohboy on Oct 19, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s OK…Matty didnt mean it when he said you don’t care.

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by ThePeerless on Oct 19, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

“We gotta fix your fight strap, Sasha. You get this jersey pulled off and you’re a goner.”

Tortorella: Can I get another question? I went in here in a pretty good mood today, too.
Larry Brooks: So did I.
Tortorella: Well, you obviously f***ed that up, didn't you?

by Wheeler on Oct 19, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Definitely didn’t read that as goner…

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by sami426 on Oct 19, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Um, Sasha that’s not the puck.

Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...

by dcsportsfan1 on Oct 19, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

“Just one more. Then score for you.”

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by AMusingFool on Oct 19, 2011 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Prospect update:

Nice to see Anderson get a win in his first start for Brandon, even if it was against Konowalchuk’s Seattle team. 31 saves in a 4-1 win and the first star.

Luber’s Lounge blog entry about Anderson and the game

link to game summary

by sk84fun_dc on Oct 19, 2011 9:44 AM EDT reply actions  

Nice to see Anderson get a win in his first start for Brandon

He had a nice start for Lethbridge as well this season, then the wheels fell off the cart.

We shall see.

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by EmilyB on Oct 19, 2011 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Definitely wasn’t coming on anything more than the one game with my post. Still, better than the alternative.

by sk84fun_dc on Oct 19, 2011 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Also, Seattle isn’t exactly an elite WHL team at this time.

Here is the link to his game by game stats

by sk84fun_dc on Oct 19, 2011 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Kono will turn them around eventually ;)

by Rather Bengt on Oct 19, 2011 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Passing thought…given that Alan May and Nick Kypreos are two of the most prominent talking heads in their respective markets, can we expect Hendy and DJ King to be TV stars post-retirement?

by DonnieKnutts on Oct 19, 2011 9:51 AM EDT reply actions  

Hendricks yes. King? I doubt it.

Unleash the Apathy.

by D'ohboy on Oct 19, 2011 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hendricks’ future will be color comentator and shoot-out coach…

Winnipeg? Winnipeg??? Oy! (And now it's official...)

by MikeL-Pivonka on Oct 19, 2011 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Either that or choreographer for the Rockettes.

Unleash the Apathy.

by D'ohboy on Oct 19, 2011 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

As for bottom-six forwards as TV talking heads, I think Chimera’s a lock.

Unleash the Apathy.

by D'ohboy on Oct 19, 2011 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think that’s a pretty good prediction. I think Alzner also has a career in the booth, hopefully at least 15 years from now.

Obviously, this is all speculation.

by Rob Parker on Oct 19, 2011 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

I bet Brooks runs for Parliament.

Or joins Parliament Funkadelic.

Either way.

Unleash the Apathy.

by D'ohboy on Oct 19, 2011 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

He could kill it as a politician.

Obviously, this is all speculation.

by Rob Parker on Oct 19, 2011 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

You don’t need healthcare! You just have a concussion! Suck it up, it’s the American way.

Eat, drink, and be merry! And then drink some more.

by SmallZ827 on Oct 19, 2011 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

“But we’re in Canada!”

Unleash the Apathy.

by D'ohboy on Oct 19, 2011 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

“This is the future, son. Don’t you remember when Canada become the 53rd state?”

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by SmallZ827 on Oct 19, 2011 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

And with his aversion to babysitting he might actually get my vote…

Obviously, this is all speculation.

by Rob Parker on Oct 19, 2011 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

He could kill it as a politician.

Premier of Saskatchewan. Book it.

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by EmilyB on Oct 19, 2011 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Come on now RB, you know that never works unless a Swede does it.

by SethB on Oct 19, 2011 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well Bengt Stuffasson was my all-time fave Cap.

by Rather Bengt on Oct 19, 2011 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Unfortunately you’d just be jamming it into the blocked side of the box, so it would never go in and your vote wouldn’t count.

Release the Mackan!

by Killer_Carlson on Oct 19, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions   3 recs

If you want bread, go to the bakery. If you want to vote for me, go to the ballot box

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by ThePeerless on Oct 19, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not slamming it against the side and letting it bounce off?

Aim for the head baby Jesus

by Doncosmic on Oct 19, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Representative for Chocolate City.

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by Bald Pollack on Oct 19, 2011 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good combination of the two.

Aim for the head baby Jesus

by Doncosmic on Oct 19, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes on the first, no on the second… Have you seen him try to play guitar… yeeesh!

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by MikeL-Pivonka on Oct 19, 2011 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Has Ovechkin lost his breakaway speed? It seems like it’s a lot easier for opposing players to catch up and keep pace with him than in years past.

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by Sombrero Guy on Oct 19, 2011 9:53 AM EDT reply actions  

hesitant to bring his weight into the convo after this summer’s BellyfoldGate, but it does appear that the 10-15 pounds he’s accumulated since his rookie year have somewhat dulled his fleet of footness

by DonnieKnutts on Oct 19, 2011 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

less reckless, maybe?

Yeah, well, you know, that's just like, uh, your opinion man

by TJL on Oct 19, 2011 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think Ovi hasn’t been the same since the couple of suspensions he had a few years ago. So, yeah, he seems more measured since then although, I have no data to back it up.

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by BetterOffWith28 on Oct 19, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

He’s older and he has a reckless form.

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by sydtron on Oct 19, 2011 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

noticed that a little bit

but he may just be picking his spots about when to turn on the jets and when not to. we only wen through 5 out of 82 games so far…

by thewiz06 on Oct 19, 2011 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Or are opposing d-men giving him more of an initial cushion so they don’t get blown past?

LET'S GO CAPS!!!

by Elliotte on Oct 19, 2011 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

This. Teams have adjusted to Ovechkin. Mackan scored last night because Nicky threw the puck to Ovi in the slot and drew 75% of the penalty kill to him.

RAMPAGE

by JediChewbacca on Oct 19, 2011 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Good catch. I think Ovechkin’s production will depend heavily on the ability of whoever is on the ice with him to keep the defense honest. If Brouwer and Backstrom start to score at a higher rate, Ovechkin will definitely have more space and time.

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by kingzman264 on Oct 19, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Musings from last night:

In my totally unbiased opinion, I feel like Alzner’s performance last night was superb. He and Carlson were big reasons that amazing cycle kept going, and those 2 paired with the 3rd line is the best unit we’re throwing on the ice right now. Alzner also had some timely pinches and his usual steady defensive play along the boards in our own end.

Green also had a nice night. Some great passes and some real nice runs toward the net to create some amazing chances. His shot accuracy was unfortunately off though. He shot low and center on a beautiful scoring chance when he needed to put anywhere on the left side of the net and then totally missed the cage on a few other chances. Hopefully, he gets it back next game.

by KA-27 on Oct 19, 2011 9:54 AM EDT reply actions  

Also, I bet no one noticed that Jeff Schultz played 17:22 last night… which means that he did his job and did it well. :)

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by MikeL-Pivonka on Oct 19, 2011 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

I noticed that after that one “missed opportunity” he consistently went deliberately off the wall rather than putting a shot on net. It seemed to be working though. Caps got several good looks off that slap pass off the back boards.

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by Boggles on Oct 19, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

AVG is detecting an exploit everytime I go to the Rink title page. Took me forever to even bring this page up. Anyone else having that issue or can offer any solutions?

I use IE and Firefox.

by Rather Bengt on Oct 19, 2011 10:15 AM EDT reply actions  

Haven’t had anything flagged by Norton or Avast. Using Firefox here.

by Murshawursha on Oct 19, 2011 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

I had the same problem over the summer.

email support@sbn.com

It was a false positive at that time, but you can’t be too careful.

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by fat_daddyo on Oct 19, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

On a similar topic, it appears that SBN has finally fixed the Mac/Google Chrome SNAFU.

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by D'ohboy on Oct 19, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Caps @ Flyers is the most marquee mid-October NHL matchup that I can remember in a while. Very pumped for this one.

by DonnieKnutts on Oct 19, 2011 10:18 AM EDT reply actions  

Caps got all sorts of marquee games this month. Pens, Flyers, Wings, ’Nucks. Tough, but good tests. This team better end Saturday 7-0 with all the shit talking I was doing last night.

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by RedBirdie on Oct 19, 2011 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

I am really looking forward to the Caps-Wings matchup Saturday.

by Rather Bengt on Oct 19, 2011 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m alternating between completely pumped up and nervous as hell. And I’ve still got to get through Thursday’s game.

Wings do play Friday night, though, in C-bus. Hoping that tries them out just enough.

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by RedBirdie on Oct 19, 2011 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

I can never be anything but pumped to play the Red Wings. For me, it’s too good a matchup to be anything other than buzzing with excitement.

Also,

Wings do play Friday night, though, in C-bus. Hoping that tries them out just enough.
that.

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by Boggles on Oct 19, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve been trash-talking like crazy, and last night’s win+beer=Caps need to win lest I look like a real fool Saturday. Because I really don’t want to have to wear the fugly red-and-purple-with-feathers weagle fedora Saturday.

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by RedBirdie on Oct 19, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Okay then. Well, publicly I have your back on this. Privately we might have words about taking any bets that involve Guerin Austin’s fashion choices.

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by Boggles on Oct 19, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

I can’t believe they actually sell that hideous disaster in the team store. Worse, I saw people in the stands with it.

Worse: the guys in the L. Skywalker hockey jersey.

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by RedBirdie on Oct 19, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

OK, so I’m weird. I like the fedora.

Don’t try to figure Sasha out. Just ride the wave.

by gfcaps fan on Oct 19, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don’t stand so close to Arron Ashum and you won’t have these problems.

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by Boggles on Oct 19, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ha! I saw a guy with one on the way home Saturday night, so I asked him the price. At $35, I don’t like it that much.

Don’t try to figure Sasha out. Just ride the wave.

by gfcaps fan on Oct 19, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m pumped too – but also nervous. The Flyers have looked really good so far.

by hell0 on Oct 19, 2011 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Matt Read looks to be the real deal. For a guy that wasn’t even drafted, he’s got a ton of talent.

by RCheli on Oct 19, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Went to pick him up today so I had to drop a forward — by stats alone I should have dropped Ovi or Sid, as almost everyone else had 3+ goals.

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by Alz Well That Ends Well on Oct 19, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Let’s not be hasty. Four of his five points came in one game against an awful team (that the Caps couldn’t bury…yeah, we know).

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by ThePeerless on Oct 19, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

But he also looked really good in the preseason.

by RCheli on Oct 19, 2011 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Random Neural Firing. I was thinking yesterday that maybe Beagle has a broken jaw.

by Goaliemama on Oct 19, 2011 10:25 AM EDT reply actions  

I’d presume the team would say as much if that was the case, but if Whyno’s parsing of BB’s words is correct, then I’d guess he’s (presumably) concussed.

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by Bald Pollack on Oct 19, 2011 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

I watched only about 20 minutes of the game last night, but the one thing I got from it is that Markstrom looks freaking gigantic out there. Even when he was on his knees, it looked like he filled up the net.

I’ve liked what I’ve seen from Joel Ward this year so far. I still think he isn’t worth what he is paid, but rarely are any free agents worth their salary. But he’s a lot closer than what I had expected.

by RCheli on Oct 19, 2011 10:51 AM EDT reply actions  

Watching Ward this season, I was reminded of a small good article I read a few years ago on Ulf Dahlen where he talked about puck protection and doing all the little things right. This is an excerpt from the article

When Ulf Dahlen goes into the corner for a loose puck, he always seems to come out with it. Considered one of the top puck-protection men in the league, Dahlen says the main reason for his success is that he is comfortable playing the puck with his skates.

"If a guy’s grabbing my stick," he explains, "I use my feet."

Dahlen says when he is in the corner protecting or retrieving a puck, a defenseman will often come in and try to take his stick out of the play.

"They want to work on my stick," he says. "But if they go work on your feet, you’re going to go down and they might get a penalty."

Dahlen says it’s hard for a defenseman to legally check a skate, whereas a stick is fairly simple for a defenseman to neutralize.

Also, going to the corner often means taking a hit, which is something else Dahlen feels he can use to his advantage. After a player throws a hit, it takes him a moment to regroup. Dahlen uses that split second to get better control of the puck or make a pass

.

Ward has the same mentality. Watching that one shift last night where the third line cycled the hell out of the puck and play keepaway was one of my season highlights so far. The Dahlen article quoted above can be found here.

by Rather Bengt on Oct 19, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

That’s a good article.

For a while in the early-to-mid-00s, the referees used to whistle the play dead if it was at the boards with a couple of guys fighting for it (or just standing there, actually). Thankfully, they’ve stopped that and had guys start to work for possession again. Ward is a strong guy on his skates, and digging that puck out and cycling are two of his attributes.

by RCheli on Oct 19, 2011 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Watching that one shift last night where the third line cycled the hell out of the puck and play keepaway was one of my season highlights so far.

All the boards are Ward’s.

Start printing the t-shirts and bumper stickers…

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by J.P. on Oct 19, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

I can see the biopic now:

All Your Boards Are Belong to Us: The Joel Ward Story

by BradleyFightingVehicle on Oct 19, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Not to be confused with his linemate’s biopic:

All Your Broads Belong To Me: The Brooks Laich Story

by Rather Bengt on Oct 19, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I think you mean All Your Breads Belong To Me: The Brooks Laich Story.

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by Alz Well That Ends Well on Oct 19, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

With apologies to Leonard Cohen, but you’re really trying to cause the death of a ladies’ man aren’t you? ;)

by Rather Bengt on Oct 19, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Being the best skater with his toes faced 180 degrees apart probably helped too.

by Edanger6 on Oct 19, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Happy Birthday, Muffins!

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by RedBirdie on Oct 19, 2011 10:57 AM EDT reply actions  

He’s got all kinds of new fans out my direction.

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by Carl Putnam on Oct 19, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think I saw they were playing him with my main man Lauri. Am I right CP?

by Rather Bengt on Oct 19, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

You are correct. Tippett now has him on a line with Taylor Pyatt and Korpi.

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by Carl Putnam on Oct 19, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice. I like that line very much.

by Rather Bengt on Oct 19, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

awesome. I love Gordo. He’s having a good go in the desert?

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by RedBirdie on Oct 19, 2011 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Glad he’s having success!

by sk84fun_dc on Oct 19, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh, and not surprised.

by sk84fun_dc on Oct 19, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yup. He’s now centering the 3rd line ( see players above). Getting more ice time than he did as Cap in recent years.

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by Carl Putnam on Oct 19, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

fabulous. I wish him a very healthy season and a few highlight reel goals along the way. No wonkyback, no strange staph infections!

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by RedBirdie on Oct 19, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sister Birdie, testify.

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by EmilyB on Oct 19, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ll just second this. I’ve always been fond of Gordo.

by capsyoungguns on Oct 19, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Game ticket question for STH

Over in OTOT.

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by WordsOnIce on Oct 19, 2011 11:17 AM EDT reply actions  

Can you send a link to OTOT WOI? I can’t access the Rink title page yet.

by Rather Bengt on Oct 19, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

You bet. http://www.japersrink.com/2011/10/19/2500035/wednesday-off-topic-open-thread#comments

Perhaps if you loaded Chrome? That might help. IE is eeeevil.

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by WordsOnIce on Oct 19, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Work PC, not loading Chrome on here.

by Rather Bengt on Oct 19, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ohhh, yeah. I see.

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by WordsOnIce on Oct 19, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

bmcnally14 Brian McNally
No Ovechkin on the ice here at Kettler. Matt Hendricks sporting a red practice jersey. Backstrom and Brouwer are out there.

Hmm. Getting work done on his hand?

by Kolzilla on Oct 19, 2011 11:26 AM EDT reply actions  

He’s just slacking and failing to lead his team. Like always.

/tracee’d

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by EmilyB on Oct 19, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

This board has become too negative for me. I regret to announce that I’m taking a leave of absence from Japers’ Rink for the next 20-30 minutes.

by Kolzilla on Oct 19, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions   3 recs

You’ll be back when the shakes get too bad.

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by WordsOnIce on Oct 19, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

So, Friday morning after the Philly game.

by Kolzilla on Oct 19, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

You think it’ll take that long? You fool…you innocent, idealistic fool…

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by WordsOnIce on Oct 19, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

So, are Ove and Nicky still doing their jump & bump thing or is Ovi only doing the Vokeswagon bump now?

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by BetterOffWith28 on Oct 19, 2011 11:27 AM EDT reply actions  

Nice goal kid, now back to Adirondack…also, since some have been on a Schenn watch here and the Caps play the Flyers on Thursday, seemed relevant to post…

NHLFlyers

#Flyers announced that they have recalled forward Brayden Schenn and loaned forwards Zac Rinaldo and Harry Zolnierczyk to the Phantoms.

by sk84fun_dc on Oct 19, 2011 11:36 AM EDT reply actions  

Flipping finally. I’ve been carrying his ass on my fantasy team for two weeks.

Unleash the Apathy.

by D'ohboy on Oct 19, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Harry Zolnierczyk: I hardly knew ye and still don’t.

by Rather Bengt on Oct 19, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ha, Brown U players aren’t exactly ‘known’; I saw a stat by College Hockey this morning that he was the first Brown player since 2004 to score a goal in the NHL, but that didn’t sound right so when I got to a computer I looked it up and it wasn’t correct, Volpatti had a goal last year. Someone with the Canucks was awake and already noted the correction, too.

by sk84fun_dc on Oct 19, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

I know Down went there.

by Rather Bengt on Oct 19, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well…CRAP! I have a lot of tomorrow’s prognosto devoted to those two.

Well, at least they still have Jagr.

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by ThePeerless on Oct 19, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Question Was McPhee’s Chalk Talk to STH discussed on here last night?

If note, two most interesting things learned last night:

1) Caps hired a sleep specialist over the summer; if I heard correctly, has met with some players individually; provides input to team on practice times, when they travel, etc. This was mentioned after a STH asked a question about whether the Caps have considered consulting a sleep specialist.

2) Caps considered requesting to host the draft this summer – Not going to happen for 2012.

Still, as one would expect now that Leonsis owns the building, etc., more likely for something like this to happen in the future and from anything he said, it sounded like they were very interested in hosting a future draft.

McPhee noted there was a conflict with an event already scheduled for sometime during the time block needed to host the draft. Also, he stated that he was surprised at how much time the building was needed to be set aside for the draft for set-up, break down, etc., as required by the NHL

by sk84fun_dc on Oct 19, 2011 12:19 PM EDT reply actions  

I’d love to have a draft or ASG here. I know it’s a ton of work and those are league events, but they can be great showcases for the team and city. I have really fond memories of doing the fan stuff at the 2004 ASG in Minnesota.

and whatever is booked for June, they haven’t released it yet. Just checked the VC schedule and they have nothing for June. Guessing it’s a concert that hasn’t been announced.

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by RedBirdie on Oct 19, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

In the off case that the NBA season starts, they choose to make up the time lost at the end of the season, and every team but one western conference team and the Wizards fold, they will need the Verizon Center for basketball.

by wickedwitch on Oct 19, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like our chances

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by sami426 on Oct 19, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

They wouldn’t make up the missed time, because that would interfere with the off-season for the following year. Basketball isn’t it.

Don’t try to figure Sasha out. Just ride the wave.

by gfcaps fan on Oct 19, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Even without making up time the NBA Finals are in June. In 99 when they shortened the season, they still played the Finals in June

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by sami426 on Oct 19, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, but they’ll still end before the NHL draft.

Don’t try to figure Sasha out. Just ride the wave.

by gfcaps fan on Oct 19, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve been to 2 drafts, in Columbus and Ottawa, and had a blast at both. I’d love for DC to host one.

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by Sombrero Guy on Oct 19, 2011 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree I’ve been and had a great time. McPhee sounded very enthusiastic about the idea. I was thinking while he was talking that this summer could have been a lot of fun with 2 first round picks as of now. Wondering if that was what they were thinking, too.

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2nd Traded to NJD in Arnott deal
Added Colorado’s first and either Boston’s second in 2012 or Colorado’s second in 2013 (Washington’s option) in Varlamov deal
Added Winnipeg’s 4th round pick in 2012 in Eric Fehr trade on July 8 (Paquette also traded to Washington in the trade)

by sk84fun_dc on Oct 19, 2011 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

SB Nation iPhone App

I got the new iPhone and downloaded the SB Nation App. Works great for reading all of the main content. However, when I go to view the comments it randomly brings up the comments for another thread that often isn’t even about Hockey.

Anybody else have this issue? Have you found it easier to just use safari to view the site?

by 7-Hole Glove Side on Oct 19, 2011 12:59 PM EDT reply actions  

I actually did have that issue the other day and meant to email support about it. If you could drop them a line as well at support@sbnation.com, that’d be great.

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by J.P. on Oct 19, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

No problem. Great site by the way.

by 7-Hole Glove Side on Oct 19, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gracias, amigo, and great avatar, by the way.

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by J.P. on Oct 19, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

OK, I just got an answer from the tech folks: “Our app presently isn’t compatible with iOS 5 (ergo the wonkiness), but we have a major revision in to Apple that pending their approval will resolve the issue.”

So the issue should be very temporary.

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by J.P. on Oct 19, 2011 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

10-4. Thanks for gettin the skinny on the situation.

by 7-Hole Glove Side on Oct 19, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wonkiness, you say?

Oh, no!

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by Boggles on Oct 19, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve had the same issue.

"Now wait a minute. This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man."

by The Ghost of Bebop on Oct 19, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Me too, glad to hear a fix is on the way.

by leacha on Oct 19, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice to see Katie Carrera investigating into Ovie’s absence from practice today rather than settling for “just a maintainance day.” Also, props to JP for acknowledging her nice work over twitter.

by Kolzilla on Oct 19, 2011 1:28 PM EDT reply actions  

I’m really not liking the idea that they’re both right, though. Two slashes on the hand in the first five games of the season? That hand is going to be a target the rest of the season. Targeted slashes (which they weren’t necessarily) should be considered intent to injure and suspendable offenses.

Don’t try to figure Sasha out. Just ride the wave.

by gfcaps fan on Oct 19, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, “maintenance day” is fishy. I tweeted, “If the slash to the thumb that Ovechkin took with 4:15 left in regulation opening night is worse than has been reported, it’d explain a lot. Letang’s slash on Backstrom last year was pretty similar, and looked even more innocuous at the time. It turned out not to be, of course.”

Glad she had the same question.

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by J.P. on Oct 19, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Definitely reason to question so early in the season…it’s easy to say the earlier rest was due to his trip, but the slash(es) left that questionable from the start.

I snapped a couple of pictures of his hand when he took his glove off in game 1; different view than what you tweeted; hopefully, they are still on the memory card…I will look tonight.

by sk84fun_dc on Oct 19, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

My memory/view of the pictures was that it was his pointer finger not his thumb that looked off? Again, hopefully I still have the pics.

by sk84fun_dc on Oct 19, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

___

Someone tweeted this one at me, fwiw:

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by J.P. on Oct 19, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

If I still have them, my pics are from closer to the time he removed his glove in the corner.

by sk84fun_dc on Oct 19, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr


via @mkpanda78

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by EmilyB on Oct 19, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

(scrolling fail)

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by EmilyB on Oct 19, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Was it a slash or did he fall on it funny? Seem to recall he got tripped up and I though he hurt his hand falling down. This was in the Carolina game.

Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...

by dcsportsfan1 on Oct 19, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

With 4:15 left in the Carolina game, Sutter was whistled for tripping Ovechkin. I had thought that it was a slash and not a trip, fwiw. But we’re talking about the same play, I’m pretty sure.

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by J.P. on Oct 19, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yup, late in the game and he came up flexing his hand.

Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...

by dcsportsfan1 on Oct 19, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

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by J.P. on Oct 19, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fat fingers – that’s why there are so many exclamation points when he tweets.

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by J.P. on Oct 19, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sounds like someone needs to mash his hand on the keypad to order the special dialing wand.

Release the Mackan!

by Killer_Carlson on Oct 19, 2011 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Yeah, I think it was around 9:25 pm when it happened. I remember that because I was checking my phone at the time and was suprised to see the Wild putting the lumber to the Blue Jackets halfway through their game. Weird how I remember that.

Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...

by dcsportsfan1 on Oct 19, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, strange. If I recall correctly, the Wild were up 3-0 with nine minutes or so left in the second. Funny how some things stick in your memory like that.

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by J.P. on Oct 19, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think someone else slashed it in the Tampa game, too, no? I remember him taking his glove off and flexing his hand in that game also.

by Aliceanna on Oct 19, 2011 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

In any case, the “official” word on Ovi’s absence from practice is “bumps and bruises” and supposedly not related to the slash he took on the hand.

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by CapsFan75 on Oct 19, 2011 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

And a pink pig just sprouted wings and took flight.

by capsyoungguns on Oct 19, 2011 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

And Green did NOT get a concussion last year and Beagle does NOT have a concussion.

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by CapsFan75 on Oct 19, 2011 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bob McK's Waiver Wire Report
CGY puts Raitis Ivanans on waivers. MIN puts Drew Bagnall on waivers.

by Rather Bengt on Oct 19, 2011 1:39 PM EDT reply actions  

More important was this KHL waiver news from Dimitry Chesnokov.

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by Carl Putnam on Oct 19, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

From NHL tweet, retweeted by Bob McK
Did you know? Sheldon Souray is averaging 20+ min/gm & tied for team lead on #DallasStars w 5pts after being out of NHL for an entire season

by Rather Bengt on Oct 19, 2011 1:40 PM EDT reply actions  

haha well done

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by sami426 on Oct 19, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Even for Studly Wonderbomb.

by Rather Bengt on Oct 19, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wait….Souray played for the Hershey BEARS last season? When did this happen?

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by ThePeerless on Oct 19, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

At Banana Republic. /endsnark

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by sami426 on Oct 19, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

This could be cool or could be nothing (link tweeted by Dan Tolensky)

time capsule found at Maple Leaf Gardens

by sk84fun_dc on Oct 19, 2011 1:55 PM EDT reply actions  

About time they found Bill Barilko.

(sorry)

by Rather Bengt on Oct 19, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Bob Loblaw has a grocery store?

Comrades, leave me here a little, while as yet 't is early morn:
Leave me here, and when you want me, sound upon the bugle-horn

by sydtron on Oct 19, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

OT- It was my mother’s grocery store of choice growing up in the Greater Toronto Area. Once a week we would buy our food at “Blah-blahs”.

by Rather Bengt on Oct 19, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did you buy your bags of milk there?

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by sydtron on Oct 19, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, Jagr. Via Whyno:

Asked Jagr about #Caps fans. Jagr to me: “does everybody like you?” Me: no. Jagr: “that’s my problem, too.”

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by RedBirdie on Oct 19, 2011 3:17 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

does everybody anybody like you?

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by SmallZ827 on Oct 19, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whyno’s the Jagr of the Caps beat?

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by J.P. on Oct 19, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well you sure cut him down to size in the latest Lunchbox.

by Rather Bengt on Oct 19, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions   3 recs

Took me a shamefully long moment before I said “ah ha” and laughed.

by capsyoungguns on Oct 19, 2011 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Correction: Here I snorted. Drinking and reading Japers’ can be hazardous to one’s health.

by capsyoungguns on Oct 19, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dangnabbit: “Took me a shamefully long moment before I said ‘ah ha’ and laughed.” Rec’ed.

by capsyoungguns on Oct 19, 2011 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Caps fans may hate Jagr for legit reasons, but can’t deny he’s a thoughtful, intelligent person

by DonnieKnutts on Oct 19, 2011 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t often hate on Jagr, but when I do, I prefer four-letter words.

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by AMusingFool on Oct 19, 2011 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Still one of the most vicious hits in recent memory!

Now if only Brian Orakpo can learn how to do that EVERY play!

by thewiz06 on Oct 20, 2011 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

ESPN 980

Somebody send them some updated photos. Their photo with the home page teaser on last night’s game has a picture with Feds, Flash, and F16. The only one in the game last night was Flash, but in a different jersey. Eesh!

Are you not entertained?

by Seminrocks on Oct 19, 2011 6:37 PM EDT reply actions  

That’s ridiculous.

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by caps&skins on Oct 19, 2011 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

It gets even better in a way: I emailed them and got a response; they said it was an AP story and picture came with it! Beware of gifts! He said they’d do something about it. My question to them was if they had a story on the Redskins’ latest game, would they run a picture of Jason Campbell?

Are you not entertained?

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