My One-and-a-Half Problems with the Beagle-Asham Fight
So, we've all heard everything we need to hear about The Fight. Allow me one more perspective, and I promise I'll at least make it reasonable (unlike some people named Damien Cox).
The half-problem is, of course, Arron Asham. No matter what the situation, Asham's actions post-fight were arrogant, buffoon-ish, and rude. The reason it's only a half-problem is Asham's actions starting immediately after he made those gestures. He was concerned for Jay Beagle, tapped his stick when Beagle got up, and only stopped apologizing when he had to finally get ready for the Sabres. It was a classless move followed by enough classy ones to offset a lot of the idiocy.
The full problem isn't with anyone involved in the fight. It's with everything else that happened.
I was actually at the game, and in a great position to see Beagle get totally destroyed, to no one's surprise. For those not at the game, here's a rough recap of what happened post-fight:
Asham knocks out Beagle, makes rude gestures, and gets thunderous applause. He skates right to the penalty box while Beagle is still prone on the ice. WHILE BEAGLE IS STILL DOWN, fans are cheering their guts out. "Let's Go Pens" was echoing through the arena. The big HD scoreboard in the center of the arena went to crowd shots, then to shots of Asham in the box (garnering more thunderous applause), then back to crowd. Loud music was played the whole time. As Beagle was being helped off the ice, the scoreboard went to a shot of the Caps helping Beagle, one of whom happened to be Alex Ovechkin. There were unmistakable boos in the crowd because Ovechkin was on the screen. After Beagle was off, the game presentation folks went to a noise meter and more loud music. Then the power play finally started.
For perspective, some background on me: I have worked in the control room for one of those HD scoreboards at another NHL arena, and in my personal opinion we had an extremely fun and professional show. We worked hard and had good people leading us to make sure fans had a lot of fun, win or lose. So I do have experience in the matters of which I'm about to speak.
My full problem with the Asham-Beagle incident was with the crowd and the people working the HD scoreboard. The crowd should know better, even in a rivalry game, than to cheer when a guy is down, injured, and bleeding on the playing surface. But crowds, especially modern crowds, basically do what they're told to do. Loud, pump-up music was being played and shots of fans were up on the HD screen while a player was down on the ice. That, my friends, is completely inappropriate. When someone's injured, no matter the team, the scoreboard should go to a generic graphic, music should cease, and respect should be paid to the trainers and the injured player. When the player (hopefully) gets up, he gets put up on the screen and the fans cheer him in the hope he isn't seriously injured. That's not what happened.
While a player on the ice is uncontrollable, especially after an adrenaline-pumping fight, a crowd is. I have no doubt the crowd would have cheered Asham on their own, but the people running the game presentation did nothing to calm the fans in the face of an injured player. It was awkward, somewhat sickening, and completely avoidable. That is my full problem with the fight.
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Thank you for providing a first-hand account. I hope you consider sending this to people in the Penguins organization.
(Yes, I know about the avatar hounding - just pretend mine is invisible.)
Thanks for this. Enlightening. Interestingly it’s very different from my experiences at Verizon when an opposing player has gone down. The place gets quiet. And then applauds the player as he is helped off the ice. I am sure there are some idiots in the stands cheering but the silence drowns them out. I don’t hear them.
At some point in your life, you have to be taught not to disrespect an injured player on the ice. Some people are never taught and that’s where I 100% agree with your issue with the production staff. It is their job to teach. Hell, even putting up a graphic urging people to be quiet would probably be a good idea.
As the popularity of this sport grows, so too will the attendance of casual fans who don’t know any better.
One other issue not discussed is one of safety. When a player is injured on the ice, trainers need to be able to communicate with the player as efficiently as possible. A loud, boisterous crowd can interfere with that and possibly cause key information to be misheard or missed completely. Another reason it should be on the arena staff to help calm the crowd down.
I have not been to VZ in a while when somebody has been seriously hurt. It is hard for me to speak to what the crowd would do. But every game I make it to where somebody new has to be taught not to leave their seats during play, or when I see a Caps Jersey with 47 “Cooley” on the back… I can’t help but feel like I would not be shocked to see VZ make the same mistakes that were made in Pittsburgh, both crowd and production staff. Somebody suggested forwarding this to the Pens, but I would fwd also to the Caps brass to make sure the same mistakes are not made in the future.
Now Letang is up for a suspension for his dirty hit from behind. When is Mario going to go public that his team needs to tighten up? He was so vocal about protecting Crosby, but his team runs around, taunts and lands dirty hit’s more then anyone else.
Honestly, by the end of the year every team in the NHL will have a player who the league has looked at or suspended for a dirty hit. Unfortunately it happens and it’s part of the game; guys trying to make split second decisions in tiny spaces and players get hurt. It’s too fast of a game and players are only becoming better skaters and getting stronger. I think the only way you solve hits from behind, head shots, etc., is to remove hitting altogether and that would ruin hockey.
Not defending Mario in any way because I do think he wants to have it both ways. He can’t call out another team and not at least mention some of the guys on his roster.
It's hard for me to single out the score board producers.
These fights, the violence, the blood, the KOs, it’s what the fans and the “sport” wants.
That’s why fights are still allowed.
That’s why goons still have a job (for now).
I do appreciate your personal insight and you’ve certainly made me appreciate an aspect of this debacle that I hadn’t before, but just like I’m not going to single Asham out, I’m not going to single the arena producers out.
This is a problem with pro hockey, not really with one player or one arena.
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
it’s what the fans and the "sport" wants.
Speak for yourself. It’s not what I like. I’ve come to accept the organic fight as part of the flow of the game, but I certainly don’t like it when they occur. And staged fights—bah!
by capsyoungguns on Oct 19, 2011 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree. When fights break out I roll my eyes and sit back and prepare to be uncomfortable for a few minutes.
But I think a significant number of fans like fights and want to keep them. And many in the hockey community feel fights are “part of hockey”.
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
Thank you for posting this! I was equally outraged by the crowd. I recall a time when you NEVER cheered until the guy was moving and off the ice. Then you were to do a polite cheer that he was still alive and acknowledge the effort. I’ve only seen fans cheering while a player is out in two places- MSG and now Pittsburgh. Utter trash.
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