Thursday Caps Clips: Caps @ Pens Game Day
by EmilyB on Oct 13, 2011 6:49 AM EDT
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- Previews of tonight's promenade with the Penguins from Vogs, NHL.com (Hunter), Peerless, RMNB, CRtC and RtR, and be sure to check out our SB Nation partner PensBurgh for more coverage from the other side of tonight's match-up.
- Did someone call for a rivalry? And a fine one it is, too. [WaPo (don't-miss photo gallery), DCEx (McNally, and again), SB Nation DC (Vingan), KOL (Vingan), Towerlight (Schwartz), Pittsburgh Tribune (Rossi)]
- But injury and the passage of time may be dialing down the Sid and Ovi Show. [WashTimes (Daly)]
- For a few minutes of one game only, the on-ice rivalry will be set aside as the Capitals and Penguins join together to honor Lokomotiv Yaroslavl, the KHL team lost this September to a terrible plane crash. Alex Ovechkin and Evgeni Malkin will participate in a ceremonial faceoff, and the game-worn jerseys for both teams with special Loko commemorative patch will be sold at auction on NHL.com. [NHL.com (Robinson)]
- Notes and assorted whatnot from yesterday's practice. [Caps365 video (Kettler Report, Boudreau and players), RtR, DSP]
- Just as we thought we had Thursday's goaltending situation all figured out, along came word that Michal Neuvirth wasn't on the ice for practice. Oh boy. [CI (Carrera), CW (Whyno, and again), DCEx (McNally, and again), CSNW (Gormley, and again), SBN-DC (Vingan)]
- Tomas Vokoun stands ready to play... [CI (Carrera), Sick, Unbelievable]
- ... and Caps' PR director Sergey Kocharov is ready to stand in for a missing netminder at practice. [DCEx (McNally)]
- Troy Brouwer might be getting another look tonight on the top line. [CW (Whyno)]
- Coach Boudreau needs more from his 1L, and said so to the media... [CI (Carrera), CW (Whyno), CSNW (Gormley), PHT, Alex Ovetjkin]
- ... it's all part of the New Accountability ... [ESPN (LeBrun), Daily Caller (McErlain)]
- ... but are they correcting for an overcorrection? [The Hockey Writers (Dowd)]
- Taking stock, two games in. [Puck 'N Hockey]
- Project Mayhem. Don't you love it when a plan comes together? [Inside Hockey (Passero)]
- Can this year's penalty kill replicate last year's success? (We're not asking, we're begging.) [OFB]
- Tempering the Jason Chimera euphoria. [Smoke Degrees]
- Dennis Wideman, fantasy shooting star. [ESPN (Matiash)]
- Brooks Laich did a radio hit on The Sports Junkies. [106.7 The Fan (audio)]
- Road trippin' it - the first away game of a new season ... [Dump'n'Chase, Caps Overtime]
- ... and the best and worst of road roomies. [Caps365 (video), SteinBog]
- Finally, happy 46th birthday to Paul Cavallini.
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Fun Penguin/Capitals fact…
The last time the Capitals lost a game in regulation in Pittsburgh (February 18, 2007), Jocelyn Thibault was the winning goaltender, and Brent Johnson (currently the backup goalie in Pittsburgh) was the losing goalie for the Caps. Only five Caps who played in that game are with the club now (Ovechkin, Erskine, Laich, Schultz, Semin)
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The Caps have won their last visit to three different Pittsburgh buildings: the Igloo, Heinz Field and Consol. The first two are safe, it would seem, but it would be nice to keep that third streak alive.
Wake me up when they finally win at Three Rivers Stadium.
by Rather Bengt on Oct 13, 2011 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
And Forbes Field
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by ThePeerless on Oct 13, 2011 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
As I tweeted, Boudreau’s next win will tie him with Ron Wilson for 2nd all-time in wins behind the Caps bench (192, trailing Bryan Murray (343)). If Boudreau gets that W tonight, he’ll have done it in 100 fewer games (310). Of course, Wilson’s been somewhere BB only dreams of…
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Speaking of the latter, of the guys ahead of him in coaching tenure only one hasn’t been to the Finals (should be an easy one). And…go.
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by Bald Pollack on Oct 13, 2011 7:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Lost to the Stars in ’98-99.
"My favorite fan base in D.C. Is United's. Period. The end." - Steinberg
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by Bald Pollack on Oct 13, 2011 7:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Jesus, that’s right, he was there then…
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Babcock hasn’t been to the Finals? o_O
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by Bald Pollack on Oct 13, 2011 7:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, Noneck McShrek was an easy one… coffee time for me!
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Barry Trotz goes over a drill with his team...
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by ThePeerless on Oct 13, 2011 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Additional fun nugget of info, of the dozen longest-serving head coaches, only 3 (Trotz, BB and McLellan) have not been to a Finals in their career.
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by Bald Pollack on Oct 13, 2011 7:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Interesting. Obviously the implicit point is that if you don’t win in the NHL, you don’t keep your job for too long… but plenty of guys are let go too soon, IMO.
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For sure. Those top dozen guys were all hired before (or in Paul Maurice’s case, during) ‘08-’09.
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by Bald Pollack on Oct 13, 2011 8:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Insane that more than a third of the League’s coaches (11) only have tenure since 2010 or 2011 and another seven since 2009 and per Wiki.
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Surprisingly (or not) it’s on pace with the other sports(17 NFL coaches hired, 18 (I think) MLB managers and 20(!) NBA coaches).
#WikiBreak
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by Bald Pollack on Oct 13, 2011 8:26 AM EDT up reply actions
As the old cliche goes, it’s easier to fire the coach than all the players.
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And sometimes it’s just what the doctor ordered. Others, it might not be what the doctor ordered, but it’s the only way to find out what’s broken.
Obviously, this is all speculation.
You know I don’t disagree with that.
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If I’ve counted correctly, since the lockout the longest a coach had been with their team prior to winning the Cup was Julien who was with Boston for four season.
Shortest, obviously, was Bylsma with 1/2 season. Q, Carlyle and Laviolette had finished their second seasons with their teams and Babcock had coached the Wings for three years.
Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...
by dcsportsfan1 on Oct 13, 2011 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions
The All You can Eat Buffet at the Sizzler?
Everything sounds smarter in Tikkanesse....
by Bonzai!!! on Oct 13, 2011 7:54 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Full time Maple Leaf?
Obviously, this is all speculation.
by Rob Parker on Oct 13, 2011 8:11 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
No worries, Ovechkin is gonna go Knee on Knee with him
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Yeah, most reports seem to say he’s not playing (at least that’s what I gather from Whyno on Twitter).
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I thought “project mayhem” was what the PPP crew is trying to do to the Ottawa fans…
by TJA on Oct 13, 2011 8:02 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Can this year’s penalty kill replicate last year’s success?
I’m taking the under – and pretty hard, too – on this one.
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Well thru 2 they are off to a pretty bad run at it….heres to the PP crushing last years pace
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Well thru 2 they are off to a pretty bad run at it
Last year, any time someone on the point had the puck, a Cap just darted for him immediately.
I haven’t seen that the last two games. By design or are people just that damn tired? I guess against TB you’re pretty much worn out as a PKer.
Try again – against Tampa they were a perfect 4-for-4 on the kill.
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I’m not saying they weren’t effective. I’m just saying I don’t see them attacking anywhere near as much the last two games.
Although with only 7 PP shots against with that much power play time, they did pretty damn well, but looked like mostly from blocking that clearing.
TB only got 3 PP shots during the game, and 4 PP shots in OT. But man, imagine if time hadn’t expired. Shots are only counted when a shot on goal, right? They don’t alley ones that just missed or hit the crossbar, do they?
Imagine how that game would have turned out if they didn’t shorted OT to 5 minutes? We still had over a minute of PK left and everyone looked DOGGGGG tired
What I’ve seen isn’t necessarily less attacking as less anticipating and more chasing. The PKers have been moving their feet, but it’s been a lot more reactive than proactive, it seems. But it’s an awfully small sample, especially when you consider that some key PKers (Backstrom, Carlson) have accounted for half of the minors the team’s taken.
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. The PKers have been moving their feet, but it’s been a lot more reactive than proactive
I guess it’s better. Last year when we really attacked the puck at the point on the PK, it seemed like a dog chasing a car now that you think about it: Ok you got it, now what? If you go after that puck, your momentum is going hard away from the play, so if the player guards the puck from you, he’s got you on a 5 on 3 now really quick.
(Backstrom, Carlson) have accounted for half of the minors the team’s taken.
I guess unlike me with my factual opinions…you are actually stating this as fact. And if that truly is the case I will reserve judgement on the PK for a few more games…Backis by far has been our best forward on the PK and if he is in the box that doesnt help much…but the PK in the Carolina game was god awful.
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the PK in the Carolina game was god awful
Yep, and the awful was mostly 44 and 52.
Know who was sitting in the box when both of those goals (i.e. the only ones the Caps PK has allowed so far) were scored?
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Any reason (I assume it’s not just based on the shit show we saw vs. CAR).
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No, not just CAR. I’ve been looking for the PK save pct from last year, but I suck at finding these stats. My impression is that the save percentage was high. That and I’m naturally pessimistic.
I swear there’s a way to make NHL.com spit out this data but I’m damned if I can figure it out.
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Here are the individual numbers for the Caps and League-wide. BtN has team-by-team breakdowns.
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I hope Vokes can repeat…why did it seem like we were better on the PK last year then we actually were…maybe the games or points in the game where we gave up the PPG?
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Huh? The Caps had the second-best PK in the League… it seemed to you like they were better than that?
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nah I retracted that statement…I was strictly looking at save %…trying to find SA by team
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JP – I am by no means a #fancystats guy I know we were a league 2nd best at 85.6% which is a calculation on goals allowed by times on the PK…I want to see where we ranked on shots allowed on the PK by team…isnt that a better way to determine exactly how effective the PK is? Or am I way off base?
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I can see problems with that. First, how many PK’s each team takes. Second, a good PK could actually allow more shots by killing the penalty, and therefore facing a 2 minute PP with no goal and a few shots instead of a 30 second PP with a goal and 1 or 2 shots. Maybe it would be better if you broke it down further, like how many shots/60 PK minutes (or whatever unit of time).
My mind is all twisted like a peanut.
I’d think that the percentage of penalties killed would be the best way to judge a PK’s effectiveness over the course of a season, but that’s just me (and most everyone else on earth).
But what you’re getting at is also informative. To that end, check out BtN. Here, for example, is the Shots Against/60 at 4v5 from last year. The Caps were 6th-best there, and had a better SV% than the five teams ahead of them – that’s part of the reason they ended up with such a great PK overall.
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That was what I was looking for. I agree that from the outside the best way to judge PK is by % of PK. That is in fact the end result. However my point was to remove the goalie…how many SA/60 on the PK was our unit allowing. Basically looking to judge the unit – netminder. And damn was Pitt good.
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You should really refer to at least one other thing: short-handed goals. I would argue that number of shots against (per min, or per 60) is probably a better metric than goals scored as well. Especially if the unit didn’t keep shots from being significantly farther away than league average (not that I think that would happen, but it would definitely affect my evaluation if they could do that consistently).
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by AMusingFool on Oct 13, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d argue that, on its face, percentage of penalties killed is not the best way to judge PK effectiveness, for a few reasons that I’ll give below. However, in practice it turns out to be a reasonable approximation.
I did two fanposts a while back where I assessed the PP and PK in terms of goals for (PP) and goals against (PK) per 2 mins of uneven strength time. (in the below discussion, I use PP and PK somewhat interchangeably, but the points are generally valid either way)
The reasoning to look at it this way is the goofy way PP/PK opportunities are counted. In the raw statistic, a full minor penalty counts the same as a full major penalty, and also counts the same as three seconds of leftover PP after 1:57 of 4-on-4. Also, after a goal is scored on a major penalty, it is counted as a new uneven situation. Thus, by the standard metric, it is impossible to be perfect (on the PP) if you have a major penalty power play. There will always be one more opportunity that you didn’t score on.
I thought that a time dependent rate stat would be better suited due to these issues, but also because a team that scores faster, say 30 seconds in to a 2 minute minor, should rate better than a team that can’t score on a 9 minute PP (e.g., the Caps on Sloan’s hit from a few years ago). Similarly, a team that kills off 1:50 of a PK should (perhaps) be rated better than a team that gives up a goal 15 seconds in.
The end result for the 1.5 seasons I looked at was that this method didn’t really change how the teams were ranked relative to each other. There were a few spots were two teams swapped places in the rankings, but it didn’t really matter all that much. Also, it didn’t make the gaps between the top teams and the lower teams more apparent (at least I don’t remember this). So I never ran the same analysis again, even though I had intended to. Maybe I can do it again, now that BTN (or one of the other stat sites) does a better job parsing the data than I did before.
TL;DR: Percentage killed probably is not the best way, but in practice it turns out to be a pretty damned good way.
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by renstar on Oct 13, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I’ve been on this bandwagon for a while. Rate is a better way to do it for sure.
Obviously, this is all speculation.
The problem is that rate skewers things just as much as chances, because a PP goal that is scored after only 8 seconds is much worse (in rate stats) than one that is scored after 1:52. And both give you the same result — a goal against.
But wouldn’t it show that a PK is better if that goal was held off for 1:52, rather than given up in 8 seconds?
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But they don’t both indicate the same level of talent in the units, and the rate state at least adjusts for the extremely short PPs.
It’s easy enough to run % numbers as well. I don’t see why it has to be either/or.
And if you are talking about the result- a goal against, shouldn’t it just be the raw totals you are interested in?
Obviously, this is all speculation.
I don’t know.
For PPs or PKs that last less than 10 seconds (but not because of a goal scored), could those be thrown out (even if a goal is scored)?
Could we have a PP+ rate (something like ERA+ or OPS+ in baseball) where the number could be associated with how other teams do with number of shorthanded goals added in?
I’ve certainly seen situations where giving one up in eight seconds is better than giving one up after 1:52. (late in the game, and tied or trailing)
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by AMusingFool on Oct 13, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Sure, but ideally situations like the one you suggest are quite rare, and thus fall out in the wash.
This is also the likely reason that ranking by rate vs ranking by % doesn’t really change much. Penalties are killed far more often than goals are scored. It doesn’t take many two minute kills to hide that 8 second screw up.
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wish I’d read a hair farther down before posting what I said a minute ago.
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by AMusingFool on Oct 13, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Unlike with the powerplay, raw performance on the penalty kill (over a 40 game sample) is a superior predictor of future PK performance than is shot prevention. Part of that can be attributed to the fact that penalty skill save percentage is considerably more reliable than powerplay shooting percentage.
Furthermore, including misses and blocks is of no assistance. It seems as though better penalty kills force their opponents to take a greater proportion of missed and blocked shots.
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by red army line on Oct 13, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Part of that can be attributed to the fact that penalty skill save percentage is considerably more reliable than powerplay shooting percentage.
I’ll give everyone a moment to consider why this statement is ridiculous.
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As long as 2+2 still equals 5 I don’t see a problem.
by Yoshietree on Oct 13, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
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FWIW, Likens’ reply:
Skill differences in team save percentage are greater as compared to team shooting percentage, and that’s true on both special teams and at even strength.
To illustrate this, here are the talent standard deviations for EV SH%, EV SV%, PP SH% and PK SV%, all at the team level.
EV SH% 0.0048
EV SV% 0.0055
PP SH% 0.0047
PK SV% 0.0115
But as you can see, the talent standard deviation for PK SV% is much larger than for EV SV% – over twice as large, in fact.
The possible implication of this is that team factors (i.e shot quality factors) are more important in respect of PK SV%.
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My implication was simply that PK Sv% is simply (1-PP Sh%). If one is fairly consistent (reliable), the other has to be by definition.
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I don’t think that’s right. The worst PK team might be 70%, the best 90%, while PPs don’t range from 30% to 10%, more like 14-25.
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by red army line on Oct 13, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
If you look at a single team, it’s absolutely right. Or if you look at the NHL as a whole it is. Every PP either is killed or gets a goal.
My mind is all twisted like a peanut.
Not sure I understand here. Neither the spread nor reliability has to be equal unless the same two teams are playing against each other in every game.
If you have PKsv% as {v1, v2…v30} and PPsh% as {h1, h2…h30} for one half of Likens’ sample. The other half, say the PKsv% stays {v1, v2…v30} but now PPsh% could be {h2, h3…h30, h1}.
Not sure if you clicked on the link in the article about repeat-ability of special teams performance, but here it is.
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by red army line on Oct 13, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Likens’ use of “reliable” here is as “reliable indicator of true talent level.” And it makes sense if only because the individual PK SV% over the course of any reasonable number of games is going to be based on a much larger sample than the invidiual PP SH%.
Take a ten-game stretch. Say one goalie is in goal for all ten and the team gives up 7 PP SOGs per game. You’ve then got a 70-shot sample on which to judge that G.
At the same time, say the PP gets 7 PP SOGs per game. You’ve then got a 70-shot sample, but it’s likely distributed among at least a half-dozen players, probably more. So each sample is smaller and one goal here or there impacts it to a much larger degree.
Obviously overall PK SV% = (1-PP S%). But on the individual level, the PK SV% is a more reliable indicator or true talent level than the PP S%. Or so goes the argument, if I’m following it correctly.
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disregard…is there any way to view shots allowed by team on the PK
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Capitals.com, pull up schedule, go to game recap, on statss button select a stats page, one includes a shot summary
I mean for the season…like we had 365 SA as a team on the PK last year.
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You could go to BtN and reverse engineer from the team data. Save the page, open in Excel, multiply the SA/60 rate by TOI/60. You’ll have errors due to rounding, but it’ll give you a good idea.
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by red army line on Oct 13, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Trivia question from TSN's Gord Miller
I posted this the other night on the OT Hockey thread, but those who weren’t there, may want a crack at it.
Which d-man has the most goals in the NHL since the start of the 01/02 season?
Answer
1) Chara 119 2) Lidstrom 118 3) Gonchar 116 4) Boyle 109 5) McCabe 108
by Rather Bengt on Oct 13, 2011 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Caps recall Holtby, per Vogs.
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Not at all. Just the Neuvy injury. I’d be shocked if Holtby takes off the baseball cap after the anthem tonight (unless things have gone sideways).
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Just remember, Holtby is the only Cap goalie dressing tonight with a win at Consol — a 1-0 shutout of the WBS Pens when he was at Hershey last season (Vokoun had a loss and a no-decision).
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by ThePeerless on Oct 13, 2011 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
I still think Neuvirth was injured in the first preseason game of the season and has been fighting something since that time. Not so good for SC as the Stingrays season starts tomorrow night, unless Holtby returns to Hershey in the morning.
Hershey plays Friday at Norfolk; home opener Saturday.
SC plays Fri and Sat at home. First 2 games of the season.
With Caps not playing back to back, would they rotate the backup between Holtby and Sabourin? I’d pretty much hope not, as I’d prefer to not see Sabourin in red. Maybe Neuvirth is good enough to backup by Saturday and there’s nothing to worry about. ::crosses fingers::
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Both goalies are capable of playing back to back games, so my guess would be no on rotating the goalies. Could send Holtby up and down to start Friday night as another option.
Curious which SC goalie gets recalled, Grubauer or Machesney. I know some SC fans won’t be happy losing a goalie for the weekend so early in the season, as in the beginning of the season.
SC at the bottom of the food chain will just have to deal. Too bad for them. Twitter is all fired up over this. Fun times.
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SC always has to deal and yes, that’s reality, as I discuss it with SC fans frequently. The issue is they had to trade a ECHL goalie, Shane Owen, to make room for 2 goalies, Machesney and Grubauer, coming down on AHL and NHL contracts, respectively. I’m intrigued to see which goalie gets recalled and which goalie potentially is tagged to handle the back to back ECHL starts.
Stuccio tweets he think Grubauer will join Hershey in Norfolk tomorrow night. Lebanon Valley College filling in as second goalie at Bears practice today.
Maybe this is an overgeneralisation that you hear, but I really think the NHL community is much closer than that of the NFL, MLB, or NBA. Things like the Lokomotiv benefit seem to be no-brainers for hockey.
So is throwing bananas at certain players….all kidding aside I think it is something engrained in Hockey players at a very young age. Much more so than any other sport. Now the NFL does alot of stuff but that is more for the production quality and less from the heart.
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I don’t follow the other leagues as closely, but I believe the international nature of the NHL and its players is a big factor with things like this. As to the “community”, I find it hard to comment. OT: When it comes to community outreach, fundraising, etc., seems like that is true for a segment of pro athletes in each league.
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by sk84fun_dc on Oct 13, 2011 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
At the end of the day, the hockey community is actually pretty tiny. There aren’t many places for kids with NHL potential to play, so by the time you get drafted you’ve either played against or played with a ton of guys in your draft class.
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by iwearstripes on Oct 13, 2011 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
is it 7 pm yet?????
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I sure hope I’m reading this article wrong, and when they say that Detroit and Winnipeg would “swap” they just mean conferences and that divisions would still have to be realigned. Because otherwise, this is crazy.
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Nope, you’re not wrong. The “lazy” and “easy” solution is a literal swap between Winnipeg and Detroit.
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and that is exactly what will happen
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I’m good with the WPG/DET thing
Either that or move Detroit to Atlantic and BRING US PHILLY OR PITTSBURG!
The whole damn thing needs to be realigned
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Are you saying that from a pure Caps perspective? Yeah, it’d be fun to have Detroit in the division — no issues there. But from a leaguewide perspective this is pretty darned stupid.
Hell, the Western Conference almost fixes itself. Move Winnipeg to the NW, Colorado to the Pacific, and Dallas to the Central. Done!
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by Gould Old Days on Oct 13, 2011 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Why is that a problem?
Divisions have 5 teams. There are 4 western Canada teams now. It’d be cool to have them in one division together. Why not pair them with Minnesota or Colorado?
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by Gould Old Days on Oct 13, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s a problem for the Minnesota Wild or Colorado Avalanche in terms of being the only American based team, plus some time zone issues.
I’m just not getting it. Why would a team have a problem with being the only America based team? What does the border have to do with any of this?
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by Gould Old Days on Oct 13, 2011 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
I haven’t read a ton on this, but it’s brought up in relation to some of the financial issues for a team related to travel, local tv, and other issues. Plus there’s still a time zone issue with almost any scenario and some of this will be about which owners have strong voices, etc.
Time zones are a problem in the Western Conference no matter what the league adopts — that’s just going to be a fact of life. But Colorado in the Pacific, Winnipeg in the Northwest, and Dallas in the Central is better for time zones than Colorado in the Northwest, Winnipeg in the Central, and Dallas two time zones away from their division mates in the Pacific.
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by Gould Old Days on Oct 13, 2011 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
I’ve asked the Minnesota fans what they think. It’ll be interesting to see what they say.
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by Gould Old Days on Oct 13, 2011 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
The team should like it, the owners not so much.
Minny would get to play Calgary, Edmonton, and Winnepeg 6 times a year. Not the strongest of teams – or attendance draws.
a half-way competitive team on the ice for Minnesota means few (if any) attendance problems. It’s only with a string of really sub-par teams that they start fretting about 90% attendance.
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That kind of consideration changes pretty quickly, too. Edmonton, for one, is amassing so much young talent right now, it’s hard to imagine they won’t at least be above average within a couple of years.
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by Gould Old Days on Oct 13, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
A good discussion has opened up over there…
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by Gould Old Days on Oct 13, 2011 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Of course, geography majors would argue that the city of Vancouver is right next to the Pacific Ocean.
by b.orr4 on Oct 13, 2011 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think Col and Dal need to move too, and the whole NE could use some tinkering.
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Is the Gulf of Mexico really technically the Atlantic Ocean?
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by Whiter Mage on Oct 13, 2011 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
It depends on who’s asking and for what purpose.
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by Gould Old Days on Oct 13, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
So, from west to east, we have…
the Trapezoid Division
the Front Loader Division
the Big Dipper Division
the Bad Necktie Division
the Scrunched Up around the Delaware River Division
and, the Five Teams Left Over in the Northeast Division
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by ThePeerless on Oct 13, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
At least the Central and the Southeast kinda look like each other. Either do it geographically or don’t. Why should Detroit have to fly over non-conference cities to land in divisional games? Why should Winnipeg fly over Minnesota? CHEWBACCA’D.
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by Whiter Mage on Oct 13, 2011 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Is flying really that big of a deal? Detroit’s flight time in division will now max out at 3 hours (to Miami), and an hour of that is just being on the runway. Their travel schedule will still not come close to what teams in California have to live with.
I’m saying it doesn’t really make sense to do geographic divisions anymore with how spread the league is becoming.
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by Whiter Mage on Oct 13, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I guess.
I just think that there’s always going to be problems because the NHL has to deal with trying to keep rivalries intact as well as the obvious imbalance of teams east of the Mississippi.
I mean, I work for a company that does dinner programs for pharmaceutical companies. We have a series coming up with 100 of them. 82 are in the East/Central, and 18 are in the Mountain/West. It’s just how it is.
Right. But would you rather every rivalry be continued (I mean, Leafs – Wings was a big rivalry and kind of still is), or would you rather parity? And rivalries, truly heated rivalries, are born entirely out of “These two teams are successful” now more than geography, because people don’t always get behind the local squad now.
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by Whiter Mage on Oct 13, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
I think that you should try and keep as many rivalries as possible, but not to go overboard.
The biggest rivalry of the late-90s was Detroit/Colorado, but they weren’t in the same division.
Putting teams in the same division doesn’t create a rivalry – who fucking cares about the Panthers? Playoff matchups create rivalries. Granted, you could have divisional playoffs, but in lieu of that, the divisional rivalries are a joke.
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On top of this, do you think Detroit and the Pens don’t have a little bit of fire between them when they play? It’s definitely there. Two SCF match ups have worn those teams into arrowheads that get launched at each other.
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by Whiter Mage on Oct 13, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Exactly. I mean, the Caps and Penguins had a huge rivalry because you used to have to get out of the Patrick Division first and they always seemed to be playing each other.
The what? Is “Patrick Division” code for “SID V. ALEX!!!!!!!!!!!!!”
Obviously, this is all speculation.
More like “Mario vs Gould” if you ask me.
by Rather Bengt on Oct 13, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
I thought it was Hatcher, Murphy and Jagr vs Hatcher, Murphy and Jagr.
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by Whiter Mage on Oct 13, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Charter flying is absolutely not a big deal. I have zero sympathy for NHL travel at this point. The worst NHL charter plane is going to be at least as nice as first class commercial. Boo hoo. If they learned how to ride buses in the CHL, NCAA, or AHL, they can live with cushy flight accommodations. Time zones I’m more sensitive to (though apparently you can’t complain after 24 hours), but smart scheduling could easily address that.
Obviously, this is all speculation.
What is this “accountability” of which you speak?
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by AMusingFool on Oct 13, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Like this?
My mind is all twisted like a peanut.
by timmyv38 on Oct 13, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
DGB had a tweet to good not to share.
DownGoesBrown Down Goes Brown
Crosby practicing with a helmet that’s the same as Penguin teammates, except for the words “DON’T EVEN THINK ABOUT IT, COOKE” on the front.
My mind is all twisted like a peanut.
by timmyv38 on Oct 13, 2011 10:33 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
I liked this one from Brett Hull, new to twitter, and saying hello…. (2ndBestHull)
a quick hello to all my friends in Buffalo.
hahah what a dick. I love it.
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by Sombrero Guy on Oct 13, 2011 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Will be interesting to see who is the lucky stupid teammate is that gives him that first, solid shot.
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The twitter updates on will he/won’t he play re. Crosby are growing old already.
Am I the only one who thinks even if he was cleared and ready it would be a bad thing for his return to be against the Caps, given the history between the teams.
I’d fall off my chair shocked if he was cleared for contact and returned to NHL game action on the same day.
Somewhat related, though – Crosby cleared… Crosby and Malkin taking line rushes this morning… Anyone who thinks the Pens don’t care about the rivalry and adding drama to it is an idiot.
Back on point, if he’s cleared and ready, I don’t see why you wouldn’t put him in immediately, regardless of opponent. Can’t hide him forever.
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It’s bad because 6 weeks ago he couldn’t go full speed in non-contact without headaches, but that’s just my uninformed medical opinion.
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by Bald Pollack on Oct 13, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Related: how is he going to be “the best player in the world” when he comes back if he’s been unable to work out at full speed for a good portion of the summer?
It’s great that he’s healthy enough to take contact in practice, and I think it’s good for the game that he gets back out on the ice, but expectations for his play ought to be tempered a little bit.
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He’s going to light it up. Anyone that jumped the gun and traded him in a keeper league is going to regret it down the road, likely this season.
Obviously, this is all speculation.
Not if he got a guy who’s better than Martin St. Louis, a gorgeous naked man and a world class asshole in return.
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Good guesses – Skinner, Kesler and Pronger.
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You know whose contract looks better all of a sudden?
Brooks Laich.
You know who else?
Joel Ward.
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by Gould Old Days on Oct 13, 2011 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Exactly the first thing the popped in my mind also Gouldie.
by Rather Bengt on Oct 13, 2011 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Really? I don’t think Kunitz’ deal is bad. 20 goal scorer with more grit. Not as versatile or as good defensively, but if 20 goal scorers are a guaranteed 4.5 mil, I think the Pens did alright with this one.
Obviously, this is all speculation.
by Rob Parker on Oct 13, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
He got 23 last year (66 GP), but I’m supposing that came with more plum goal-scoring assignments. The years prior he scored 13, 7, 16 and 21 in GP of 50, 20, 62 and 82.
He’s a good grinder with some offensive contribution. Maybe that’s just what those guys cost, though.
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D’oh. You are correct.
So 13, 23 and 21 goals in the prior 3 seasons.
I guess he really is a good grinder with pretty decent contributions.
3.75M isn’t so bad.
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It’s not great, it’s not terrible. It just is.
And, like I said, the two years means that if there is a decline, the team isn’t going to be paying for it too long.
I’m not hating on Kunitz. I think it’s a fair deal. But if that’s fair, then so are the Ward and Laich contracts.
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by Gould Old Days on Oct 13, 2011 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions
It that it was only two. That’s a smart signing.
Unless you are a superstar, more than two years is really rolling the dice. (It’s scary with superstars, too, but the payoff is so much greater.)
Right, it’s not a long commitment. When was the last time a team regretted signing an injury prone guy to a two year extension during the first month of the expiring-contract-season? PIT will be fine.
Obviously, this is all speculation.
by Rob Parker on Oct 13, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I see what you did there.
I think the only difference is that when Poti was re-signed, it was obvious that he was no longer a top-4 defenseman on the team. One’s game was going downhill, and the other one is stagnating.
I actually like the Kuntiz signing from a PIT perspective. I obviously always hated the Poti one.
Obviously, this is all speculation.
I think that the Caps, with Alzner and Carlson becoming legitimate NHL defensemen, the need for Poti was not really there.
The Pens lack quality wingers, and they need Kunitz.
If the need for Poti was not really there, why’d they sign Hamrlik?
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He left money on the table, so relatively speaking he had to be cheap, right?
Obviously, this is all speculation.
Hamrlik left money on the table?
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Hamrlik filled Poti’s spot on the roster when it was clear Poti couldn’t. I agree that he’s an upgrade, but Hamrlik doesn’t happen if Poti’s good to go. GMGM said as much.
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I know. I’m just hating on Poti. Even if Poti was healthy we needed someone better than him.
And if Poti is healthy we can’t really afford Hamrlik.
And looking at the Pens cap space makes me sad for the deadline. Shero is going to work some magic again. GMGM is going to be in a bind.
Obviously, this is all speculation.
That there is the most savvy Tom Poti dis I’ve ever seen.
And I’ve seen a lot them.
by Stonewarden on Oct 13, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
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Mailkin and crosby both taking regular shift on lines in practice..not wearing his donot hit helmet..both could be back tonight
Uhhh, what?
Anyone else find this odd?
The Caps could be standing on their heads naked on the ice, but still find themselves buried in the sports section. Wow, but the Penguins have a front page, full size picture and story in sports today. ????!!!!
The Caps were on A1 of the entire paper a couple of weeks ago. Calm yourself.
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it was pretty, too.
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by RedBirdie on Oct 13, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
When I was going to school in Pittsburgh (from ’90 to ’94) during the first round of the playoffs in ’91 (when they won the cup), the recap of the games — playoff games, mind you — were never above the fold and were often not even on the front page of the sports section.
The Penguins were the fourth or fifth most important team in those days behind the Steelers, Pirates, Panthers, and Nittany Lions.
Winning breeds greater coverage.
I was about to make a snarky comment there about the Pirates, but I suppose they took their (incredibly extended) nose-dive in the middle of that period.
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by AMusingFool on Oct 13, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Jim Leyland left and things went straight to hell.
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And Barry Bonds.
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by AMusingFool on Oct 13, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I liked Andy Van Slyke as a player, As a person, not so much.
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by Rather Bengt on Oct 13, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
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Caps standing naked on their head on ice at Kettler this morning. Not cleared for contact.
by Rather Bengt on Oct 13, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t find it odd. The Penguins and Steelers are two of the main things for the entire city of Pittsburgh to talk about. D.C. naturally has a lot more subjects that hit close to home other than the hometown sports teams.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
they have a major story and picture on the front page of the Washington Post. Washington. Sigh.
I’m sure TEB did a great piece. Just not quite sure why the sports section needs to be sullied with a giant picture of the waddle birds celebrating.
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A bit OT, but since the Caps are playing the Pens tonight…profile on echl.com of former Hershey Bear, former SC Stingray and current Pen, Deryk Engelland link
and we remember those days in Hershey
With Playoff Mohawk-o-mania…
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by ThePeerless on Oct 13, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
See, that would be so much cooler than playoff beards. To me at least.
by Martyvburen on Oct 13, 2011 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
we did a whole thing on Hershey and mohawks back then
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by ThePeerless on Oct 13, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Ha, I shared some pics last playoffs, too. I think boutros or emily may have uploaded them for me; included one of Brennan, one of AGordon and one of Hendricks. not the greatest pics, but entertaining, esp. the one of Hendricks as you described.
Found the Hendricks one I took and shared via Boutros
by sk84fun_dc on Oct 13, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You could read by the light of that neon Mohawk…
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by ThePeerless on Oct 13, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
No chance. They’re not going to expose him to the plumbers down there.
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Instead, expose him to Erskine and DJ King!
by Martyvburen on Oct 13, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
I honestly laughed a little. Neither of those guys is a huge hitter. If I’m the Pens, I’m more worried about Brouwer and Ovechkin.
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by Whiter Mage on Oct 13, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
With the way Crosby’s been whining about the head (not making fun of concussions, but Crosby), I feel like one is all that’s necessary.
by Martyvburen on Oct 13, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah. It’s always a great thing when the NHL is missing one of its best players.
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by Sombrero Guy on Oct 13, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Wow, stay classy bud.
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by Bald Pollack on Oct 13, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Wow, nice. Guy’s career and long term health are at risk and you want to punch him in the head.
The only pain I wish upon Crosby is the pain of repeated playoff and Olympic failure.
Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...
by dcsportsfan1 on Oct 13, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I know, I know, it’s a shitty attitude. I’m feeling kind of prickly today.
I just hate him SO MUCH
by Martyvburen on Oct 13, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Spot on. Who wants to see the best players in the game play said game? Can’t wait for Aaron Rodgers to break his leg and Verlander’s arm to fall off. Greatness, schmatness..
Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...
by dcsportsfan1 on Oct 13, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Well Eli hasn’t played very well but to say he’s out is a little harsh…oh wait.
Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...
by dcsportsfan1 on Oct 13, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
I understand your point. But I’m still waiting for 1 reason why Crosby’s career matters to any of us that isn’t a huge pile of self-righteous bullshit.
I want the best guys playing the sport for the longest time possible. If that’s “self-righteous bullshit,” guilty.
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by Bald Pollack on Oct 13, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
You’re right, it isn’t. My view is that I want anything that can help my team win. Crosby being off the ice helps my team win games, so I want that to happen.
I don’t want his long-term health at risk. I would love for crosby to have another 20 years in his career – but never score another point
I guess my view point is that in addition to being a life long Caps fan I’m a HUGE hockey fan. A healthy Sidney Crosby playing in the NHL is good for the Penguins, the NHL and the internatinal hockey community. I hate him as a player because he plays for one of the Caps rivals, but the NHL could not have recovered from the lock out the way it is without Ovechkin AND Crosby.
He helped to a certain degree, absolutely. I think there wouldn’t be a team in Pitt anymore if he didn’t come along. I guess the ugly side of my competitiveness is showing through on this subject, but I honestly feel like the game would be no less enjoyable for me if he never laced them up again (not that that is my desire). Not to mention it would help the caps, and every other team in the league.
Not to mention it would help the caps, and every other team in the league.
Disagree with teh second part of that statement. Both Crosby and Ovechkin put asses in seats in the NHL markets that struggle. Teams like the NYI sell out when Crosby come to town…that’s beyond huge.
by Yoshietree on Oct 13, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
If I were an owner, or any type of stakeholder in the NHL – this would matter to me. I’m a fan, I want wins and I want whatever helps my team get them.
Not that your point isn’t a good one.
I get what you’re saying…I think we’re just different shades of competitive. A win is a win is a win…but I always want to beat the best. Beating the Penguins is great, beating the Penguins with Crosby on the ice is better.
I understand your point. But I’m still waiting for 1 reason
Does that even make sense?
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It does. But isn’t what my point was. If you’d like to discuss semantics, take it up with someone else – I don’t have time for it right now.
Um, actually it doesnt. His point is he wants the best players playing the game. Thus being a fan of the game first and a team second. You understood his point, then proceeded to proclaim you havent seen a reason after he gave you one. Then you followed up by insulting anyone who comments here by saying anyone who doesnt want to see a blow to the guys head to end his career self righteous bull shit. If you dont have time for replies then dont make flamboyant comments….
I do not like Sid, I like to make all the immature trash talk comments as much as anyone else. But I do want to see him lace up his skates because I love the game. And if you havent figured it out by now. The Rink is not the place to make comments like yours…it is what makes this place so good…this is coming from a habitual line crosser.
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by Cap-O-Vens on Oct 13, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I regretted hitting post immediately after I responded to you. Responding to a personal attack with another personal attack is never the answer.
I wasn’t calling anyone a self righteous bullshit tosser, I wanted to say that I don’t want players to be injured and have their future health put at risk. I do, however, want anything that can help my team win. Period.
Also, it is in my opinion that whether or not crosby plays, doesn’t change my enjoyment level of the game. This is an opinion, I know.
It matters because a league without it’s best players will suffer. And if the league suffers, your team suffers.
Believe me, when it comes to the playoffs, I’d love for every star player on the team the Caps are playing to fall ill (not career threatening, just a week long bout of food poisoning would be nice).
Imagine a league of fourth line pluggers and goons. You may not like that Crosby plays for the Pens and has had more success than the Caps, but that shouldn’t mean you should want him out of the game. See, NBA without Magic/Bird/Jordan…
Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...
by dcsportsfan1 on Oct 13, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
If you wanna get into the laughs about their roster, yeah.
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by Whiter Mage on Oct 13, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
This is all a moot point, he’s not playing tonight. They’re screwing with the Caps and the media a bit. Even if he does play, he gets in on the PP, and that’s it, and even that may be pushing it a bit if his brain’s still mushy.
by Martyvburen on Oct 13, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
If he’s cleared for contact, he’s been symptom free for a while, so his head is likely not all mushy.
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by Whiter Mage on Oct 13, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Given the timeline and the repeated setbacks, I don’t even trust being cleared for contact at this point. I only believe it when he plays 3 straight games on the 1st line.
by Martyvburen on Oct 13, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
I mean, they have zippy reason to rush him back, so if he’s ready he’s ready. Bring it, kid.
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by Whiter Mage on Oct 13, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
“Hey guys, tonight’s game is going nationally on NHL-N. Any chance you could throw out something this morning that may get a few extra thousand viewers tonight? Love to stick it to ESPN.”
“Consider it done, Mr. Roberts.”
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by bagace on Oct 13, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Okay, given a chance to reflect, I would like to admit my comments were in bad taste. Lack of sleep + 2 exams in 2 days + gameday is a toxic combination. But not an excuse.
That being said, Penguins suck.
by Martyvburen on Oct 13, 2011 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
In sum...
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by J.P. on Oct 13, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions 13 recs
What a great moment………I pray they throw out a DVD set with loads of cut clips
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Word out is no extras. Too bad, because I’d buy it if there were.
Don’t try to figure Sasha out. Just ride the wave.
Thats a bad move…I can download the episodes…Id only buy it if there were extras.
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And you’d be able to download the extras the day after (maybe even day of) the release, so why would that matter?
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No Im saying I would invest fan dollars if they put out a full product. This is coming from a guy that still goes to best buy on tuesdays to buy physical CDs.
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My point is, what does that have to do with ability to download, or lack thereof?
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guess i should have said im more interested in the stuff i havent seen
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Understandable. A lot of the extras probably consists of un-airable strategy or un-airable behavior.
by Martyvburen on Oct 13, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Looks unlikely:
http://www.amazon.com/24-Penguins-Capitals-Winter-Classic/dp/B005M2A4E8/
I assume they’re wrong about the runtime, though.
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As long as you boo if they play Wiz Khalifa, I’m in your corner.
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by Whiter Mage on Oct 13, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh god oh god oh god I hate that song. It’s like living in Boston if you hate the Dropkick Murphys.
by Martyvburen on Oct 13, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh good. Maybe we can gather around one of those little bar tables somewhere.
by Martyvburen on Oct 13, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
I considered going as recently as this morning, but I won’t be there, just know some other Caps fans will be, not sure how many, but you won’t be the only one.
Consol’s still freaking expensive. New Stadium Syndrome, I think. Wait a year or two, upper-deck prices will (hopefully) come down.
by Martyvburen on Oct 13, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
The prices weren’t the issue for tonight’s game; not at all. And I’ve already been in the arena for the WBS Hershey game last season.
How was it? And how dies it compare to VC?
by Martyvburen on Oct 13, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice. You will see tonight. 10 years makes a difference in terms of arena design, as does land, IMO.
Difference: Consol’s not even close to as middle-of-the-city as VC. I’m sure the inside’s nice, but the location doesn’t lend itself well to going out to a bar or a restaurant pre- or post-game.
by Martyvburen on Oct 13, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, it’s just in a really . . . odd location. It’s right on the edge of the city, but not near enough to anything besides roads. It’s like it can’t decide whether it wants to be a city or suburb stadium.
by Martyvburen on Oct 13, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Their mass transportation sucks too. I bitch about having to transfer from orange to green/yellow but it’s still much better than Pittsburgh.
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there’s mass transportation in Pittsburgh?
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Didn’t Shaggy say, yesterday, that he was going to be (the lone wolf) there?
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by AMusingFool on Oct 13, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey, new post on the front page – a contest in which you can win free Caps tix. Cool.
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From Empty Netters:
Assuming he plays, Hamrlik will appear in his 1,314th career NHL game. That will tie former Whalers/Devils/Rangers/Thrashers forward Bobby Holik’s career record for Czech players.
And Pens are wearing white tonight, which means Caps in RED. A home sweater with a Loko patch would be preety sweet.
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Damn, I sense they’re trying to prevent the Caps from wearing their winter classic jerseys.
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by _Skullduggery_ on Oct 13, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
We’ve already announced our winter classic schedule though.
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by Whiter Mage on Oct 13, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
dangit! /hangs head in shame
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by _Skullduggery_ on Oct 13, 2011 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
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You sure the Pens are wearing white?
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Empty Netters said they were. In the article on the sidbar. —>
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Sidbar? Ugh.
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Freudian slip of the day, that.
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by J.P. on Oct 13, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
He’s questionable to play, but likely to skate in warm-ups and is planning to participate in the ceremonial face-off with Ovechkin.
Well, if Crosby plays, he needs to be hit…keep it clean, but play hockey…
Not surprised if they try and fight anyone who looks at him though.
If and when he plays, assuming he doesn’t adjust his style and I bet he doesn’t, he’ll get hit. He goes into the tough areas regularly.
I would be opposed to hunting for a shot on Crosby, just because I don’t want to hear all the hullabaloo that would ensue.
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Not because it’s just a bad strategy, and a dirty hit is garbage in general? I could give a shit what the fignuts in the media say about a clean hit.
Obviously, this is all speculation.
If you know a guy is favoring a body part, you’re gonna do little things to pester the guy – and since the head is off limits (like the foot is), you’re gonna do more things like whitewashing the face with your glove, or hitting harder through the shoulder.
If Crosby is back tonight, I’m honestly not too worried – He’s probably not 100% yet, and he’s being injected into a team that, for all intents and purposes, could wait for him. His minutes will likely have to be managed, and he’ll get lots of PP time but not so much regular strength. Who knows.
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by Whiter Mage on Oct 13, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
If I had a shiny nickel to bet, it would be that his first game back will be 10/22 against the Devils, at home.
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by ThePeerless on Oct 13, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Honestly, I wouldn’t even play him against the Devils. I’d wait until it was against like the Oilers or the Leafs or Blue Jackets, someone against whom it wouldn’t be a playoff-type game.
by Martyvburen on Oct 13, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Leafs
So Steckel can get another crack at him?
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Oct 13, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Should be 10/29 on Hockey Night against the Leafs… and David Steckel.
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Would love to see an Eddie Shore-Ace Bailey like picture of the two fo them shaking hands.
Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...
by dcsportsfan1 on Oct 13, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d love to see Sid apologize for his own stupidity and blaming on Steckel. I’d also love to see Pigs fly and the Orioles be relevant.
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by RedBirdie on Oct 13, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It is, but I would have suspected a weekend game to maximize the media coverage. Shoot, the HNIC guys might preempt games involving Canadian hockey teams to shot it live (kidding).
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by ThePeerless on Oct 13, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think you need to be kidding there.
by Martyvburen on Oct 13, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, easier said than done. I would prefer if they focused on denying him the puck and keeping him from standing on the doorstep.
Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...
by dcsportsfan1 on Oct 13, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
OT: former Caps prospect (draft pick) sent to the ECHL, Cincinnati (contract is now held by Florida)…
He was always rather invisible.
by Rather Bengt on Oct 13, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’m pretty sure that reads exactly how it should.
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by Whiter Mage on Oct 13, 2011 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Quick Public Service Announcement!
Pledge drive now has it’s very own webpage! I’ll continue to post a monthly update fanpost here at the Rink, but the daily game updates and other exciting news will be posted to the website, so as to not clutter the Rink with too many posts.
And speaking of exciting news……….The Carson Kolzig Foundation has a limited number of their exclusive Spectrum Blend wine available, details are on the site!
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last PSA, I swear! There’s a very nice story now posted from a mom who’s son receives treatment because of the Carson Kolzig Foundation. Which has inspired me to offer a one night only matching pledge for the per-goal pledges for TONIGHT. So, boys, let’s go light up Johnny, eh?
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The Nooner is up (and can serve as a pregame open thread for now, if we stay on the topic of tonight’s game).
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Fleury out, Johnny gets the start tonight. Personally, I don’t see it makes a difference who’s in goal.
Don’t try to figure Sasha out. Just ride the wave.
Really? Does Fleury need the rest? I don’t feel like Johnson’s that much better against us.
by Martyvburen on Oct 13, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Probably caught it venturing out by the end boards.
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by Alz Well That Ends Well on Oct 13, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
It does if there’s a goalie fight.
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by dcsportsfan1 on Oct 13, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
goalies ailing everywhere. Might be a silver lining for TV to get right back out there though and build on his OT/SO performance.
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by Davethecapsfan on Oct 13, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Can’t draw flies, stuck on “two” (scored two goals in all four games), can’t win a game, and now they bring up Giroux.
They’re doomed.
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by ThePeerless on Oct 13, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Don’t forget their depth (Per PD stat from last night):
Prospal-Carter-Nash has combined for 4-8-12
The rest of the team is 4-5-9.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Oct 13, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
And they have Steve Mason in net. What happened to that guy? I watched CBJ last night and he makes Holtby look calm in the crease.
COL had at least three shots when Mason was behind the net, having vacated it due to over-commitment, a bad decision to play the puck, or a bad play with the puck once he got it. His D bailed him out on a couple of those by tying up sticks and on another someone just plain missed. He also juggled routine shots, couldn’t track the puck and generally jumped around on pretty easy chances. He looked literally nothing like a guy that should be in an NHL net.
Carter had to be thinking, “dude, what the hell…”
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He looks back at the goal, and it’s like he’s back in Philly as he remembers it.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Oct 13, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ve never seen Philly’s goalies look as bad as that. Not Backlund, not Boucher, nobody.
Remember when Holtby came up last year and looked like a scalded dog out there, challenging 3 feet out of the creas, sliding clean out of the net when he moved laterally, and swimming in the crease constantly? Mason looked worse.
Not a viable NHL netminder, at least if his performance last night is any indication.
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Another example: incredibly, COL still trailed by a goal with under a minute to play, so they’ve got the extra attacker on.
Big scrum down low, two guys in front for a screen, and the puck gets passed back to the point. Now, we all know what’s coming – a blast into traffic, hoping for some luck.
What does Mason do? Well, he can’t see, but instead of getting down in the butterfly, making himself big and playing the percentages, he’s sort of in a half-crouch but craning his head up to try and see over the guys in front of him. Sides of the net? Totally vacated.
The shot glanced off a guy in front and headed for the lower corner – where Mason’s pad should have been – and the game was tied. Mason never moved.
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Goalie Guild has had some interesting things to say in the past week far about Mason and his mental state. His twitter timeline is worth a look.
Here he is on Mason:
STEVE MASON: They say you should never shake a baby, but through the first week of action, I really just want to give Mason a real vicious shake. Even with a whole summer to mentally and physically prepare with new goalie coach Ian Clark, Mason is showing the same signs of inconsistency as he had over the past two seasons. Through his first four games, Mason is 0-3-1 with a 3.24 GAA and .892 SP%, stopping just 99-of-111 shots. That’s only 27.75 shots per game, so clearly he’s not making the timely saves. I will say that he battled really hard in the third period against the Avalanche last night and started to regain some confidence. But giving up a goal with 40 seconds left to Gabriel Landeskog was unfortunate and untimely, and he couldn’t come through in the shootout.
Just noticed that CSNWashington.com has now added a Minor League Report page in their Capitals section, with info (and video) on the Bears and ‘Rays. Of course, we get more info here from sk8 and Emily, but it’s good to see the local media picking it up as well.
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Bob McK's Waiver Wire Report
Kyle Chipchura (PHX) and Troy Bodie (ANA) clear waivers. NYI put Jeremy Colliton on waivers.
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Sucks about Bodie. He was a soldier.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Oct 13, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
He wasn’t afraid to go into the corners, though.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Oct 13, 2011 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Chipchura…the guy who hauled Ovie down on the bank pass, spin around, poke it into the net goal vs. Montreal?
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Interestingly, Chipchura and Colliton were teammates in Jrs for 3 years with the Prince Albert Raiders.
by Rather Bengt on Oct 13, 2011 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I refuse to acknowlege the Prince Albert Raiders until they change their nickname to Tobacco.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Oct 13, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Screw that. Toronto (as well as a handful of other cities) already has dibs on “The Big Smoke”.
by Rather Bengt on Oct 13, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
They could at least find room for Prince Albert’s head somewhere. They could be the opposite of the Princess Pats.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Oct 13, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
OT Factoid about Prince Albert, Saskatchewan: Back when Saskatchewan came to be as a Canadian province, its 3 major cities were Regina, Saskatoon and Prince Albert. They wanted to be fair and have each major city represented by something significant. Regina ended up getting the Parliament buildings and was designated the capital city of Saskatchewan. Saskatoon got the major university and corresponding hospital linked to the school. Prince Albert ended up with the prison.
by Rather Bengt on Oct 13, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL
Saskatoon also got a catchy song from Sonny James, and Regina their own light infantry regiment. Poor Prince Albert.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Oct 13, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
And on that note…OT.
"My favorite fan base in D.C. Is United's. Period. The end." - Steinberg
"This [job] would be so much easier if it wasn't for the fucking [customers]."
by Bald Pollack on Oct 13, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Moose Jaw Warriors used to play in "The Crushed Can"
by Rather Bengt on Oct 13, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Ha, Paul Rovnak brings up on twitter Fehr’s success against Pit and his former landlord…. I sure hope Johnson’s newest tenant lights up his landlord tonight :) (and while it is known, I’m not going to be the one to tweet it in writing, unless it’s already out there in writing)
That’s Brouwer, no?
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by Bald Pollack on Oct 13, 2011 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I think it was reported on CI when Johnny was in town prior to camp.
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Vokoun and Brent Johnson have started 10 games against one another. Vokoun is 2-5-1-2/2.65/.916, Johnson 7-2-1-0/1.71/.938.
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Vokoun’s first four were with Nashville, last six with Florida.
Jonny’s first four were with St. Louis, then three each with the Caps and Pens.
So four STL/NSH, three WSH/FLA and three PIT/FLA.
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Johnny’s won the last five H2H.
Any other questions while I’ve got the data?
Vokoun vs. Johnny on the road: 0-4-0-2/3.42/.893
Johnny vs. Vokoun at home: 6-0-0-0/1.56/.944
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In October meetings:
Johnson: 2-0-0-0/0.96/.964
Vokoun: 0-1-0-1/1.45/.951
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Ha. I like to squeeze every last drop of useful information – and then some – out of my efforts…
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How about when they play each other in NHL12?
by Rather Bengt on Oct 13, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Pretty sure they played each other at Fredericton and Worcester in the AHL too ;)
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Oct 13, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmm. In 97-98 Fredericton’s goalie combo was Jose Theodore and Tomas Vokoun (and they were assistant coach’d by Washington Capitals Coaching Legend John Perpich). Worcester’s was Brent Johnson and Frederic Cassivi.
A young Eric Belanger also suited up for Fredericton.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Oct 13, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
what, no Bruce Boudreau connection?!
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Theodore and Belanger would both play later for the Washington Capitals, coached by none other than Bruce Boudreau!
Oh, right.
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by Alz Well That Ends Well on Oct 13, 2011 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Save percentage or blood alcohol level?
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