Tuesday Caps Clips: Caps Win Wild One
Your savory breakfast links:
- Recaps and other assorted musings on last night's win from us, Caps365 video (Boudreau, Caps players, Boucher, Tampa players), Vogs, NHL.com, ESPN (LeBrun), Puck Daddy, WashTimes (Whyno: gamer, blog, blog, blog), CI (Carrera: gamer, blog), CSN Washington (Gormley, Beninati), DCEx (McNally: here and here), 106.7 The Fan (Kerstein), Peerless, Frankovic, SB Nation DC (Vingan), DSP, KOL, RMNB (here and here), Homer McFanboy, Examiner (Hoffman), PHT, RtR, Capitals Outsider, Sick Unbelievable, Inside Hockey, Breakaway Goal, Alex Ovetjkin, Capital Spirit and Clydeorama (pics).
- Accountability: is it here at long last? [CI (Carrera), The Daily Caller, Nosebleeds]
- Regarding the defense. [NBC (video)]
- Could there be a Norris Trophy in John Carlson's future? [Insider2]
- On the goalies. [Blonde Girl's Guide]
- Previewing the Bears' season. [HF]
- One German goalie on another. [Cycling the Puck]
- Scott Walker has a new gig. [NHL.com]
- Finally, happy 37th birthday to Jason Arnott and happy 45th to Shawn Chambers.
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What a game. I think Vokoun should start onThursday and hope he shake off that horrible start.
Damn, Arnott sure looks older than his age.
What doesnt kill you makes you stronger.
by BetterOffWith28 on Oct 11, 2011 7:14 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
MJ90 looks much stronger in his core this year. Tougher to knock around than last year, that’s for sure.
Is Rolo the only goaltender using a Rebellion stick?
That'll make your weagle wink!
The pants that bind us should be left behind us.
Tomas Vokoun and the Post Lockout Opening Night Horrors
2005: vs. SJS, 22 saves/24 shots in 59:58
2006: vs. CHI, 25/32, 58:29 (he gave up six on 34 shots in his next game, then two goals over his next three games combined)
2007: vs. NYR, 20/25, 60:00 (he gave up four on 24 shots in his next game, then a shutout in his third game)
2008: vs. CAR, 18/25, 59:27
2009: vs. CHI, 52/55, 65:00
2010: vs. EDM, 10/13, 59:04
2011: vs. TBL, 23/28, 64:57
Total: 3-4-0, 4.50, 842
The amazing thing was that he wasn’t pulled from any of those games.
If you've read this far...seek help.
Yeah, I’d tweeted last night that “Coming into tonight, Vokoun was 3-8-0-1/3.39/.884 in his first starts of the season throughout his career. Always ended up fine. Worry not.”
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hoping he gets the start this Thursday.
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by ns on Oct 11, 2011 8:40 AM EDT up reply actions
So it’s a documented fact that Vokoun starts out slow. And last year showed Neuvirth not only brings it the first month, but shut out the Pens twice during the season.
Two points is two points. Give Vokoun games 50+ games over the season, but Neuvy should have the Pens.
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So not this?
PhilCollins1 wrote:We need to get rid of Vokoun
Today 10/11/2011 8:24:14 AM EDT
PhilCollins1 wrote:Yes. He’s slow, unresponsive, and not the player we need in net. Put Neuvy in and give him the season.
Today 10/11/2011 8:31:01 AM EDT
"My favorite fan base in D.C. Is United's. Period. The end." - Steinberg
"This [job] would be so much easier if it wasn't for the fucking [customers]."
by Bald Pollack on Oct 11, 2011 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions
HaHA…is that CI?
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Aye.
"My favorite fan base in D.C. Is United's. Period. The end." - Steinberg
"This [job] would be so much easier if it wasn't for the fucking [customers]."
by Bald Pollack on Oct 11, 2011 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions
And the first goal went right off Green. I’d say he had two really bad goals, but made up for at the end of the regulation and in OT. Some of those stops he had on the 4-3 were amazing. And he looked great in the shootout.
I think Vokoun will have the lock on the starting goalie position here, and if he ever falters then we know we have Neuvirth to fall back on. Washington should be more worried about the play of Ovi and Backstrom, than their goaltending situation.
I can feel it coming in the air tonight.
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by fat_daddyo on Oct 11, 2011 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
Hold on!
Winnipeg? Winnipeg??? Oy! (And now it's official...)
by MikeL-Pivonka on Oct 11, 2011 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Comments like this guy's make me wanna do this.

Aim for the head baby Jesus
by Doncosmic on Oct 11, 2011 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
You Win!
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Geeks of All Nations, Compile!
by AMusingFool on Oct 11, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Really not sure how this relates but… thank you
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Really not sure how this relates
That makes two of us. What’s the correlation?
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by Bald Pollack on Oct 11, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I can feel it coming…
I dunno
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Genesis did an instrumental called “The Brazilian.”
(Yes, I know about the avatar hounding - just pretend mine is invisible.)
Ah. Brilliant.
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by Bald Pollack on Oct 11, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Is he su-su-serious?
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by J.P. on Oct 11, 2011 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions 13 recs
It’s like there are Two Worlds, and that guy’s been Living Years in the Land of Confusion.
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by Gould Old Days on Oct 11, 2011 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
So it’d pretty much be Against All Odds that that guy would give Vokes One More Night?
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by J.P. on Oct 11, 2011 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This kind of explains why I quit reading comments at CI. I was feeling part of the scenery. I walked right out of the machinery. My heart going boom boom boom.
Tortorella: Can I get another question? I went in here in a pretty good mood today, too.
Larry Brooks: So did I.
Tortorella: Well, you obviously f***ed that up, didn't you?
by Wheeler on Oct 11, 2011 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He was bad, but he did have some fluky bounces, mostly from being out of position. I really wanted to find a D to blame it on but really couldnt.
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reading Vokoun’s comments again made me back off him a bit. It’s rare you see an athlete come out and sound sincere when they admit how poorly they played. Without watching the video it’s tough but the vibe I got was he almost seemed embarrassed by his performance and he knows he let the fans down. I still think he’s got great value at (last check) 18-1 for the vezina, you know if betting were legal and all.
I watched the video and agree. He was totally sincere, very humble and gracious. First thing he said in the clip was that the win showed the character of the team. “They won the game, essentially, without goaltending…” He was very mature and had no excuses.
I was very disappointed with him during the game, but when the fans around me were angrily yelling and mocking him, I was more disappointed with them. Give the man a chance. He is a proven great goalie and he showed himself in OT and shoot out.
Yes, he was awful in regulation last night, not tracking the puck, out of position. BUT, in OT and the shootout he was great. The sign of a solid vet, he didn’t panic and totally fall apart & he saw his team keep him in the game. When it was time for him to step up he did. I’m taking a deap breath and being patient. BTW, Rolo had some bad floppy moments, too.
I appreciated BB’s recognition of Vokoun’s mental strength to shut TB down in OT and the SO fter playing so horribly in regulation.
by capsyoungguns on Oct 11, 2011 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Kerstein said he got the hard hat. Who had it Saturday? That says to me a pretty strong message of support from the team.
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They also all ran over to hug him on the ice after the game ended. Hendricks went to hug Semin along with one other Cap, but the rest of them were enthusiastically hugging Vokoun. He has their support.
Green got the hard hat on Saturday.
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So maybe it was a peace offering from Green for letting in the first goal…
by Twenty Seven Ninety on Oct 11, 2011 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
I absolutely love what Vokoun said last night after the game… He recognizes that he played like crap and was amazed how strong the Caps were to bail him out, For that he he will bail the team out we they needed. As a team building concept I don’t think I would have wanted it any other way. Me Likey… A lot a lot
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by TheFuryUnleashed on Oct 11, 2011 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Nice to have a guy who holds himself accountable.
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by iwearstripes on Oct 11, 2011 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions
My GF last night on Vokoun: “At least we got him on sale.”
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by iwearstripes on Oct 11, 2011 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
HaHA…Tell her “no, an employee accidentally put that Gucci suit on the clearance rack and the store had to honor it. Someone should be fired.”
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When she said that, beer came out of my nose.
Sorry guy who sits in front of me… though he either didn’t notice, or is unreasonably polite.
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by iwearstripes on Oct 11, 2011 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions
From CI:
Count me among those curious to see how Boudreau’s methods evolve over the course of the season, and how he manages things like games, ice time and special teams time in accordance with player performance.
“Accountability” seems to be this season’s “Stay Angry”, and that turned out to be a farce. So yeah, count me among those curious as well. Thursday against the Pens should be the perfect test.
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by Laich It Or Lump It on Oct 11, 2011 8:19 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
I’m “curious” about accountability, the way the Poles were “curious” about the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact.
Unleash the Apathy.
It’s curious how close the word curious is to dubious.
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by Laich It Or Lump It on Oct 11, 2011 8:33 AM EDT up reply actions
I love the brand-new-season optimism. Ah, Fall is in the air.
Obviously, this is all speculation.
by Rob Parker on Oct 11, 2011 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
I love the smell of optimism in the morning.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Oct 11, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Count me curious as to who gets held accountable for the TMMOTO penalty in OT.
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by Bman21212 on Oct 11, 2011 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions 14 recs
They also only had two Caps on the ice for a while when they should have had 3 during Semin’s penalty in OT. Finally Schultz went out there but it took forever. I sit in the section behind the bench and all the players were standing up staring at each other but I didn’t see anyone with any urgency to get on the ice. Then they had 5 men on the ice right after that when the penalty ended. Very poor management.
by vtcapsfan99 on Oct 11, 2011 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions
I think we have something special here
…in the Semin-MoJo-Brouwer line. They looked fantastic last night.
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MoJo was flying out there…hope he wasnt hurt on that late tripping call. TB20 laid the lumber a few times…that was fun to watch
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MJ90 was unreal. Possessed.
I wonder how many other guys on this team would respond as well to being essentially humiliated with a benching. Too bad we’ll likely never find out.
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Thursday night with 87 and 71 out would be a great time for BB to tell 8 “look we can see youre not over your uncles passing, eat some nachos with uncle Teddy and let us know how you feel Saturday.”
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i’d be totally OK with this…
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by ns on Oct 11, 2011 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Wow, that can’t be the right call. Not to dress 8 in a game with that much attention? I think he needs a lesson, I don’t think it has to be that one right away. He should have just had his PP time cut last night, but BB can’t help himself when he sees that man-advantage.
Obviously, this is all speculation.
yea but blame it on the uncle to the public and Ovi WILL get the message
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So to summarize, Ovechkin is starting out slow, hang him.
Vokoun is starting out slow, but that’s OK, work with him to get him up to snuff.
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by Gould Old Days on Oct 11, 2011 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions
AO has been slow for over a season now.
Obviously, this is all speculation.
by Rob Parker on Oct 11, 2011 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
TV came up sorta big when the chips were down, in OT.
Also, it’s pretty hard to assess effort in a Goalie, but AO definitely had a few real lazy shifts.
Finally, if you’re going to take your option to skip a skate or practice, it would behoove you to skate hard during the game.
In sum, the optics are a lot worse for AO.
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So you can skate like you don’t care if you do take the option? Please.
Morning skate is not a practice. It’s meaningless. Ovechkin’s lack of effort is bad because Ovechkin lacks effort, not because he decided to do something at Kettler other than skate in circles a bit and fire a few pucks several hours before the game.
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by Gould Old Days on Oct 11, 2011 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
If humans were robots, then yes, you would be correct.
But are not: the body informs the mind and the mind informs the body. There is something to teamwork and being part of a team. Leadership exists and is important.
These are all disconnected thoughts on why I think showing up to the skate might be important enough not to disconnect so easily. I haven’t worked out totally how it all fits together, but I’m of the opinion that it does matter. At least somewhat.
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But there’s no need to jump straight to “if humans were robots” but “they’re really a team.” I’m not saying that nothing matters. Missing practice would be a real problem. Failing to show leadership would be a real problem.
I’m not saying that nothing but what we see on the ice during gametime matters. There are definitely other indications we can look at. I’m saying that of the many thing we do see, morning skate is completely meaningless. Especially when we know the guy was actually there, just not out on the ice. Morning skate, specifically, gives us no insight at all. We should look elsewhere for insights on teamwork, leadership, and all of those important things.
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by Gould Old Days on Oct 11, 2011 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
An olive branch: I did not intend that to sound as bitchy as it did, so I apologize for that.
I ought to have held my tongue (fingers?) until I’ve had a chance to noodle out what I really think on the matter.
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Ain’t nothing sounding bitchy. We’re having a good back and forth here.
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by Gould Old Days on Oct 11, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Well if people are going to start running articles about accountability, how about the 21+ minutes of ice time Ovie got last night? I know, a lot of it was on the PP. How well did that work?
The day Ovie sees less than 20 minutes of ice time, I’ll start buying the accountability stuff. MJ90 getting benched for one game, however, does not a culture change make.
by Kolzilla on Oct 11, 2011 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed wholeheartedly, though I will add that a coach needs to know what buttons to push – with some guys it’s the carrot and with others the stick. So credit to BB for lighting the fire under MJ90, though I agree that if it’s not applied across the board, it ain’t accountability.
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I think 8, 19 and 22 got to miss a shift in order to ponder the error of their ways. Baby steps.
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That’s not even clear. They may have just gotten pulled from the ice and put to the bottom of the rotation. I’d have to watch again but I think all three other lines only got one shift in between the two top line shifts, which means they didn’t even really “miss” a single shift.
Obviously, this is all speculation.
I’m not really sure, I thought he was benched too, but it was only for one shift, tops.
Obviously, this is all speculation.
I have to check it out again, but I am pretty sure they were awful, Meat and Potatoes followed them, the 4, then 2 and back to M&P before 1 came out flying
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If you’re talking about right at the start of the second period after Tampa’s second goal, they didn’t miss a shift, they were back on less than three minutes later after one shift each by the other three lines. If you’re talking about the first half of the third period when the care bears line was put out after the Tampa power play and was on for Tampa’s third goal, they did get skipped as the lines went 4, 3, 2, 4, 3 before they came back out (first line, not care bears).
by Twenty Seven Ninety on Oct 11, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Yea they did and like F&B pointed outtheir next shift which was in the 2nd was their best of the season as a line…I remember thinking that to myself while watching it….but it was all back down hill after that
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I also believe there was a later PP that had Ward and other on the first unit. I would like to see 8, 52, 19 sit for an entire PP and let 21, 42, 6, 44, et all take a whack at it.
Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...
by dcsportsfan1 on Oct 11, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Chimera
Small sample size, yada yada yada, but …
Through two games, Chimera has 10 shots or 5 per game. His career NHL avg is 2 shots per game. 5 per game I’m sure is unsustainable but maybe he can get that up to 3 per game. With his 9.2% career shooting percentage, that equates to about 22 goals. Maybe he can be that 20 goal scorer he asserts he is.
Related, Alan May took credit on the broadcast for tellilng Chimera to get the puck on net more this season. (He also referred to Chimera as the second fastest skater to come out of Calgary, which was pretty funny — May presumably being the fastest.)
Last night I was wondering how Chimmers hands became softer in the offseason….my FB Status was asking when Chimmer became #99
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No doubt, it was anything but Chimmer-Esque, I hit the rewind 3 times before I came to the agreement that it was all 25
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On a related note, Jeffrey Limon in section 436 takes credit for telling Chimera “don’t goddamn suck all the time you worthless turd.” He believes that Chimera heard him and has changed his game accordingly.
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by Gould Old Days on Oct 11, 2011 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions 11 recs
The Calgary comment was definitely a gaffe. In the past he’s made many comments about Chimmer being a good Edmonton boy, like himself.
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Captain American had exactly 0:00 on the power play last night. The start of a new trend, perhaps? I find it hard to believe that’s a coincidence with all the PP time the caps had last night.
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by hankthetank5503 on Oct 11, 2011 9:04 AM EDT reply actions
His blast last night shows that D-Wide should play the point along side GreenLife52 on the PP
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even Hamrlik was on the PP last night over Carlson
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by hankthetank5503 on Oct 11, 2011 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions
How the hell did MH26 get over that puck….these guys are unreal…I would have taken that right in the Cajones
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Well I know that lol…but the timing was impeccable, he must have played some doubledutch in the Hood growing up.
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unfrozen 65 mph puck hit me in the ribcage, it would have hit me an 1 1/2" to the right if not for my awesome reaction time!
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Any man can jump when properly motivated… and a puck headed for the yambag at ~90 mph is plenty of motivation.
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by J.P. on Oct 11, 2011 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
His skate also landed on Roloson’s pad. That was about an inch away from being a very gruesome injury.
Obviously, this is all speculation.
by Rob Parker on Oct 11, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I held my breath for a moment while he was coming down, absolutely right.
On a less serious note, contact with the goaltender in the crease that perhaps could have been called.
Wasn’t the puck already in the net by the time he came down on Rolo?
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by iwearstripes on Oct 11, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
It was pretty close, that’s for sure. I was looking at Rolo’s eyes, and his movement seemed to be more flinching in anticipation of getting stomped than getting square to the puck.
I can’t jump over the Poduck Falls, Iowa phone book, but I’d be freakin’ Peter Pan in that situation.
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by ThePeerless on Oct 11, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Was it just me and the fact that I watched the game via DVR skipping thru some things…or was everyone flying around last night. The game seemed fast and the hits were big.
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not just you…it was like watching a real EA NHL arcade game last night.
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by ns on Oct 11, 2011 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions
It was like watching a playoff game. Fast, big hits, intense. There was definitely some “make up for the playoffs” stuff going on.
Thats kind of what I was thinking but when I watched the whole game in like an hour and a half I wasnt sure if I had a grasp on the real flow of the game…
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As bad as Vokoun was in the first 60 minutes he at least redeemed himself in the extra portion of this contest. It would have been nice if Alexander Ovechkin could say that as well but the Gr8 was downright awful in this one. He made mental mistakes and worse yet he had an atrocious shift in the third period after coming out of the penalty box that led to the Bolts fifth goal. Ovechkin had a chance to generate some offense on that shift but basically just gave the puck up in the Bolts zone allowing Tampa to come the other way and create the pressure that led to the go ahead goal. Ovechkin does not want to watch the videotape of that shift because it will show his total lack of effort in both the offensive and defensive zones. In addition, he and Mike Green didn’t think on a 5 on 3 and allowed Pavel Kubina to get a shorthanded breakaway when he came out of the box in the second period. Overall Alexander the Great was -2 with just three shots on goal in 21:47 of ice time. What makes this performance even more disconcerting is the team captain opted out of the morning skate. Unacceptable move and performance from the guy who is supposed to lead the team
Saying it better than I can. Not sure how far you can push the death-of-a-family-member excuse any more. Same with jet lag. It was an all around lazy hockey game from the big guy. We’ll see if PIT motivates him..
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Whats real bad is he was noticeably better last night then he was on Saturday…no where near $10mil better tho
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he was also absent from his locker when the media was allowed in the room after the game…think it was Whyno that tweeted that last night….
Piss poor playoff performances perpetuate permutation
Which is, again, consistent with a guy playing through a hurt hand and then getting immediate treatment after the game
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by Gould Old Days on Oct 11, 2011 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions
He did shake the glove off that same hand in the third period, no? Maybe it was my imagination, but I thought he may have taken another slash…
Yeah, he took a whack on the hand, VS did a replay of it. PLAY THROUGH THE PAIN!
Obviously, this is all speculation.
I’m begging, can we all stop attributing any significance whatsoever to morning skate? Morning skate is totally meaningless, and any continued focus on it just detracts from real issues, like Alex Ovechkin sucking on the ice.
His car was at Kettler, for crying out loud! It’s not like he wasn’t there. He was doing something else. Which for all we know was more effective for getting him ready for a game. Like maybe getting treatment on a badly slashed thumb from the last game that’s become a nonstory since nobody’s talking about it. Maybe if a guy’s planning to play through pain, handling a stick in the morning isn’t very effective at making sure he’s ready for the game that night.
We don’t know what goes on behind the scenes, and I wish we’d add to that list the presence or lack of a player at morning skate. We have no idea why he wasn’t there. All we know is he played like crap on the ice. Which is worth talking about. But morning skate has zippo to do with that. Zippo.
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by Gould Old Days on Oct 11, 2011 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions 14 recs
Related: Guy Boucher, who looks like a pretty good coach, has done away with the morning skate altogether. I think he’s on to something.
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by Knee high to a duck on Oct 11, 2011 9:42 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
You mean in 2011, guys don’t have to skate off their hangover anymore?
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by Gould Old Days on Oct 11, 2011 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, not a disciplined team like TBL, no.
Obviously, this is all speculation.
by Rob Parker on Oct 11, 2011 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
I really wouldn’t want to get on Boucher’s bad side … I bet he can be one mean mean mean guy (no pun intended)
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by TheFuryUnleashed on Oct 11, 2011 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions
“On to something” meaning “modern science and other witchcraft.”
Obviously, this is all speculation.
Yep.
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by Knee high to a duck on Oct 11, 2011 9:51 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Oct 11, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Guy Boucher, who looks like a pretty good coach
I dunno. I still don’t like the idea of winning or losing with MSL, Vinny and Stammer watching from the bench.
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Well, yes. My point is more directed at his choice of shooters for the gimmick and, more directly, at the gimmick itself. How on earth can it be a good way to determine the winner of a hockey game when a smart coach doesn’t use his best players for it?
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Of course not. But that it’s even a question – that it’s not clear cut that your best players should be the ones deciding games – is whack. Essentially it’s set up so a different skill set than the ones that are important for the first 65 minutes are important there (other than goaltending, obviously). Stupid. But we needn’t go into “shootouts suck” here.
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Tampa is an extreme case, but the fact that Hendricks shoots first for the Caps should make it clear that it is a joke.
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Hendricks was 50% (3 for 6) in the shootout coming into last night game. That compares pretty favorably with the 33.3% league average conversion rate since the lockout, and against the Caps 27% conversion rate since the lockout.
That’s 15% better than the next best guy in a Caps jersey last night. Only 4 other players in the NHL are 4 for 7 or better having taken 7 or more shots in the SO.
Thus, I’m not sure rolling Hendricks out there is evidence of the Caps taking the SO lightly. The evidence seems to point to the contrary.
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by iwearstripes on Oct 11, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s an individual skills competition. Like Doncosmic said, Hendricks is out there. In this particular area of hockey, Hendricks is better than Ovechkin. The only player I can think of offhand that has “regular” hockey skills that match shootout hockey skills is Datsyuk.
So, in essence, Detroit bias.
However the league is a business and if the money showed that the shootout wasn’t helping that, it would be gone.
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I think Semin’s hockey skills match up pretty well with shootout skills. He might not be able to use his insane, falling backwards, pretty much unstoppable if it actually goes on net wrister much in the SO, but his stick handling translates nicely.
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I laughed while watching the replay last night. He got Rolo to think poke check, and change his grip, but Semin was moving so fast the check never even got off (not that I would think a goalie poke check would ever be effective against Semin). So when Semin went stick-side, he couldn’t even try to contest the actual shot.
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Mmm… I call small sample size on Hendricks. Not because his move isn’t great (it’s fantastic), but because, as far as we know, it’s his only move. As soon as he’s been scouted on the shoot-out, I’m afraid he’s going to lose all effectiveness. (Maybe he can still be effective if he occasionally shoots on that move; we’ll see.)
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I could be wrong, but I think he’s finished that move to the backhand as well as the forehand side. So it’s essentially two moves.
If goalies stop biting on the fake he’ll have to actually shoot it a time or two at the point where he fakes the shot. Then it would become 3 moves.
It’s like Bill Cartwright’s hook shot. Awkward and clunky looking, but effective.
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If you’re the Red Wings coach, is Bertuzzi going to see a shootout in the regular season?
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He made 7 attempts last season (tied for the team lead with Jiri Hudler of all people) and made 2. Datsyuk only attempted 4.
Yes. Babcock regularly uses Bertuzzi in the SO.
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eh. As we’ve seen, skill during the game doesn’t always translate to skill in the SO. Not sure where I can find shootout stats, but from watching the Wings, they don’t strike me as particularly adept at the skills competition. Bertuzzi, Zetetrs, and Pavel are the three I recall see go up there, but then again, maybe my memory is wrong.
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Definitely too small to have any confidence in the ability yet, but it’s working right now, no reason to stop it.
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by Knee high to a duck on Oct 11, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Just because you do the same thing over and over again doesn’t mean that goalies can stop it.
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But maybe those three aren’t the best 3 shootout guys? I mean, Hendricks went first for the Caps. Maybe Moore and … who went second? … are better penalty shot takers than MSL, Lecavalier, and Stamkos.
Hendricks and Semin did the same moves we’ve seen from them before…I dunno why goalies don’t cheat for those moves.
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by Whiter Mage on Oct 11, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Roloson tried to cheat on Semin with a poke check but he showed it way too early and pretty much gifted Semin a goal.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Oct 11, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
hell, even Schultz hit MSL last night.
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Which, likely being a knee to head hit, given the players involved, will result in suspension.
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by ThePeerless on Oct 11, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
boucher is a brilliant coach, but leaving your three best players on the bench during a shootout is inexcusable
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by hankthetank5503 on Oct 11, 2011 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Meh, not if you have shootout specialists and studs that have a poor history of SO scoring. But that’s not the case in TBL (MSL is really good at it and Thompson took his first ever).
Maybe, just maybe, Boucher decided that a) his stars had a chance with a PP to end the OT period and b) they had played like shit all night so c) it was worth potentially losing ONE regular season point to send a message to his star players that they have to be better. Why anyone would want to send that kind of message is beyond me, quite frankly.
Obviously, this is all speculation.
by Rob Parker on Oct 11, 2011 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
But he very frequently goes away from those guys in the SO (though sometimes he lets MSL go and do that stupid turn-around shit).
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To wit, last year’s TB shootout ledger. Shrug.
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For comparison’s sake, here’s the Cap’s shootout scoreboard from last year. I know people here are thinking of Ovi’s career stats when they say he’s bad, but if we’re looking at recent history, 4 for 10 isn’t that bad for the gimmick.
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4 for 10 is pretty solid when the league average is closer to 3 for 10…
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by iwearstripes on Oct 11, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Right, but I don’t have a huge problem with that. I don’t think AO should take as many SO attempts (certainly not like Bykov thinks…) because he’s not that successful at it. That he was (formerly?) the most dominant player on the team at real hockey isn’t that persuasive to me. Jussi Jokinen is an average player, but he has probably been the best SO guy on his team every year. The two skill sets aren’t the same, to me. It obviously looks bad to have Stamkos on the bench, but I’d guess his career SO% isn’t great. The only thing I really quibble with is that Boucher let Thompson take his first ever SO. But who knows, maybe that was reward or maybe Thompson has been killing it in practice.
Obviously, this is all speculation.
First two TBL shooters were ex-FLA players, so maybe that plays in to it?
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Right. I get it. I’m just torn between “the shootout is ridiculous” and “if I’m going to lose, I’m going to do it with my best players.” Ultimately, a coach needs to give his team the best chance to win given the rules that are in place, so it’s hard to blame Boucher, I suppose.
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MSL isn’t good at it. He’s ~20% for his career.
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by Knee high to a duck on Oct 11, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
In his case, it is, I think. Stamkos and St. Louis, for sure, maybe Lecavalier isn’t that good in shootouts. He does that all the time, too, not pick his three big guns for shootouts.
And yet, Bruce still throws Alex out there every time…sigh…
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by hankthetank5503 on Oct 11, 2011 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Wait, so Bruce is dumb for putting his best scorer out there but Boucher’s dumb for not putting his best scorers out there?
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Ovechkin is particularly poor in shootouts, it’s well documented and everyone knows it. Not the case with MSL or Stamkos.
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by hankthetank5503 on Oct 11, 2011 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Check the link J.P. posted. 0/7 for Stamkos last year, 1/5 for MSL.
Obviously, this is all speculation.
I didn’t see that link. I stand corrected. My bad, JP.
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by hankthetank5503 on Oct 11, 2011 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
and for the record, it’s not that he didn’t pick his three best scorers, its that he left them ALL on the bench.
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by hankthetank5503 on Oct 11, 2011 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Bruce is dumb…
OK, I’m with you
Boucher’s dumb
Now you’ve gone too far!
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by Gould Old Days on Oct 11, 2011 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
About those shootout selections for TBL. Since the NHL began that thing in 2005-2006, Dominic Moore had take all of one shootout attempt in his career until last year. It happened to be in that 15-round shootout between the Caps and Rangers in November 2005 (for the record, Moore skated in Round 9 for the Rangers; his shot was saved by Olaf Kolzig). That was it until last season. But he was 3-for-6 last year.
As for Nate Thompson, I could find nothing to indicate he ever took a shootout attempt in his NHL career.
So, I get Moore. He’s had some success (hey, who thought Matt Hendricks would be a whiz at this?…3-for-5 in his career). I don’t get Thompson. But then again, Victor Hedman took more attempts (6) than either St. Louis or Lecavalier last season (five apiece)
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by ThePeerless on Oct 11, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
If Tampa misses the playoffs by one point, I can buy it. Points are obviously always at a premium, but I don’t think Tampa will miss anything by one point.
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by Whiter Mage on Oct 11, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I could see 1 point separating the top 2 spots in the SE division… potentially.
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by iwearstripes on Oct 11, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
According to the quick numbers I put together from nhl.com, MSL is 6/29 in his career in the shootout, or a 20.6% for his career, and four of those goals came in 2006-7.
Vinnie is 12/48, 25%
Stamkos is 4/21, 19%. The confidence intervals on those are pretty wide, mind you, but I bet Boucher’s seen them enough in practice to know that they aren’t his best shootout players. Those numbers are worse than league average, every one.
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by Knee high to a duck on Oct 11, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
and Vinny went oh-fer-whatever last season, correct?
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But still, with Vinny or Frodo or Stamkos bearing down on you, at least their reputations precede them. Nobody is trembling when Dominic Moore is bearing down on you.
Dominic Moore is 4/14 in his career after last night.
MSL/Vinnie/Stamkos have 5 SO goals combined on 37 attempts in the last two years.
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by Knee high to a duck on Oct 11, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
In short, this looks like another evidence-based decision from a coach who seems to put a premium on evidence. I really wish that the Caps had had a vacancy when Boucher was on the market…
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by Knee high to a duck on Oct 11, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Pretty sure they had one yesterday. Whyno et all tweeted about it….
Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...
by dcsportsfan1 on Oct 11, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Why not? The death was a week ago. It is a very close-knit family and Ovie is highly emotional. Grief is difficult to control.
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by oldemystix on Oct 11, 2011 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Perhaps it unavoidable echos the human/athlete/robot discussion above, but a flight around the globe tends to drain a person. Then to go play in a professional sports the next day and again two days after that. Yes, an athlete should have better stamina and be able to recover quickly, but everyone needs some recovery time.
We all know Ovi is motivated and will skate his heart out. I think he’s not had enough recovery time yet, so passing on morning skate seems to be the smart decision in my book.
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He has two days between games, followed by a rivalry game. This one will be a better gauge of where he is to start the season.
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I have been away all weekend and haven’t been on the Rink much at all but wanted to give a tip of the cap to F&B on his first game summary last night,. Well done mate.
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by Dirk Dangler on Oct 11, 2011 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions
If the third line wasn’t performing so well the first two games, I would probably be harder on the guy. For now, I will just bite my tongue, but likely be muttering obscenities at the screen on Thursday vs the Pens.
by Rather Bengt on Oct 11, 2011 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Having not seen much of Nashville last season, I need to ask – is what we’ve seen from Ward the norm for him? He has been a possession beast! His +16 Corsi last night was unreal.
My mind is all twisted like a peanut.
Is timeonice.com now generating the corsi/fenwick reports?
The Caps had outshot the Bolts 43 – 23 at the end of regulation, but not sure how much of that disparity was on the PP (not a huge amount I would guess, though).
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by red army line on Oct 11, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I went back and added it into the recaps for last night and Saturdays (and used the data in the “shutdown five” post that’s up).
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Ward was Corsi positive in NSH despite getting the hardest comp and brutal zone starts. He’s legit.
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by Knee high to a duck on Oct 11, 2011 9:38 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Which is why I was unbothered by his contract. He’s a wonderful player if you don’t care about his finishing. Put him out there against the other team’s best and let him do work.
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by Knee high to a duck on Oct 11, 2011 9:40 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I’m not sure what you were analyzing, but the micro stats for the two were in opposite directions. An elite defensive player, Chimmer ain’t.
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by Knee high to a duck on Oct 11, 2011 10:03 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
This is a whole can of worms that I’m a little surprised hasn’t blown. Chimera is a speed demon. Eric Fehr is a remarkably average NHL player. Which would you rather have?
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by Whiter Mage on Oct 11, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, an average forward is borderline top-6, and Chimera is clearly not suited for top-6, so…
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by red army line on Oct 11, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Kind of my point. Eric Fehr is a better asset than Jason Chimera.
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No, I meant that Ward-Chimera is better than Fehr-Chimera. Ward’s wall play is better suited to a shutdown third line pairing than Fehr ever was.
Ward is going to make Chimera a better asset for the org. That’s all.
Anyone else surprised that Hamrlik has been leading the team in TOI?
Obviously, this is all speculation.
(Green’s played 46:48, Hamrlik 45:08)
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by Gould Old Days on Oct 11, 2011 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, not a precise comment. He was the total leader in ESTOI both games, trailed Green by only :30 in the first game. That surprises me. (I also got some bad info and thought Hamrlik was the TOI leader in total last night…0
Obviously, this is all speculation.
But your comment did encourage me to look at this list, which is very revealing.
Girardi and Campbell (just 1 game) by far lead the league in average time on ice. Both of those guys are currently the only good defenseman on their respective teams. If you’re betting on anyone to drop off over the course of the year, the Rangers and Panthers are good bets if they keep overworking those guys.
The peloton is 2:00+ behind those two guys, and it makes me happy to see no Caps’ players at the top of that group or even on this list at all.
One name that caught my eye is Letang. On a team with Martin and Michalek, you’d think he’s up way too high, but then you look and see that Lovejoy’s getting 13:09 and Engelland is getting 15:35 per game. Getting Orpik back will help, but still — Pittsburgh has to be one of the least deep teams in the league. They can’t fill out two lines with wings around Crosby and Malkin, and their D gets very thin very fast. At least they have three world-class centers who are in there every night making life hard for the opposition…
(and yes, their backup goaltender is pretty good and a very nice guy)
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by Gould Old Days on Oct 11, 2011 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree with almost all your points. My only disagreement is on the comment about NYR. Girardi is obviously getting a ton of ice, but I don’t think he’s the only good D on the team. I’m not sure how Sauer and McDonagh have looked so far, but I think those guys can play. And, obviously, when Marc Staal recovers that’s another very good D on the team. Torts just loves matching and hates playing anyone he doesn’t trust. It looks like Girardi and McDonagh are getting ridden hard, and the bottom pair is getting the PIT treatment over in NYR.
Obviously, this is all speculation.
If anything, it’s weird (for me) to look at see Carlson and Alzner be under 20 minutes per (albeit in 2 games).
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by Bald Pollack on Oct 11, 2011 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Nope… Hamrlik has always played big minutes in his career. Still, dialing him back a bit and letting the young pups eat the minutes (Alzner, Carlson) would be better all around.
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Oct 11, 2011 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Pleasantly so. Hamrlik is now underpaid for his role, no? Strangely…he’s been everything I was hoping Tom Poti would be.
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I semi-expected Poti to step in, be a leader on the power play, and play solid defense.
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Did these hopes happen at the time of his extension, his arrival in DC, or somewhere in between?
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Despite combining for over 1000 points the last 2 years, none of Ovie, Semin, Baxter, MSL, Vinnie or Stamkos recorded as much as a point.
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Here’s hoping Stevie Y will hear you and trade Vinny to Edmonton, MSL back to Calgary and Stamkos to Minnesota.
And even if you added those players to those teams, none of those teams would still make the playoffs.
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Oct 11, 2011 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions
If the respective GMs of the players Shaggy listed had an opportunity to trades those players, what would be the order of preference? I’d say Vinny would probably be the first on the list, and I don’t think Caps fans would like how the next few choices shook out…
Obviously, this is all speculation.
If all those players were traded, I think the first order of preference would be to fire Stevie Y and GMGM…
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Oct 11, 2011 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Ya know what's nice?
Looking at the NHL Standings and seeing the Caps in First place just five days into the season. Here’s hoping they can stay there the rest of the way!
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26th Pick or Bust!
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by Rob Parker on Oct 11, 2011 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Nope...
The Caps will have 2 picks in the first round… hopefully #1 and #30.
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Oct 11, 2011 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions
In the West, I’m a fan of the Avalanche…but not this year. TANK!
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I’m hoping for a similar result to Montreal in the summer of 1971. They won the Cup, and then had managed to get hold of Oakland’s first pick in the entry draft (first overall) and select Guy Lafleur.
That first round was something special with several Hall of Fame players (Lafleur, Marcel Dionne, Rick Martin) and other quality players (Terry O’Reilly, Jocelyn Guivermont, Steve Vickers). There were also some duds too…
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Oct 11, 2011 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Bookended 1st round picks would make 2012 the greatest year ever. And I would be ok if the Mayans were right. STANLEY CUP CHAMPIONS FOR ETERNITY BITCHES!
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8) Same with the elbow to Calgary forward Lee Stempniak’s head [by Malkin]. No discipline, but, again, it’s close to the line. And, can’t imagine a certain teammate liked seeing that kind of play.
And I can’t imagine they’ll say anything either.
Obviously, this is all speculation.
by Rob Parker on Oct 11, 2011 11:00 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Malkin picked up an elbowing penalty in each of his first two games. When the hell is he going to finally get the reputation he deserves for being a dirty player?
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I’ve been trying since at least December ’06.
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Speak of the devil, from 30 thoughts:
7) Clearly, Malkin is on a mission to prove his passion. If I was Ray Shero/Dan Bylsma, I’d gently remind him to be smart about it. Nothing wrong with fighting Curtis Glencross, but the referees gave Malkin a gift by calling it a roughing minor. His jersey wasn’t tied down, and a fight would’ve had him tossed. That doesn’t help him, or the team.
8) Same with the elbow to Calgary forward Lee Stempniak’s head. No discipline, but, again, it’s close to the line. And, can’t imagine a certain teammate liked seeing that kind of play.
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Every time this comes up, I have to wonder if Caps fans are the only ones who see all of this?
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Do Rangers fans? I remember watching one game (2009 maybe?) when he slew footed, I think the same player, twice in the same game.
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Mara. And it was Twice in the same shift, if memory serves.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Oct 11, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
the only people who don’t see it are pens fans and the hockey talking heads.
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I’m eagerly awaiting Mario’s impassioned plea for civility in the game.
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can someone (looking at you, D’ohboy), take a look at how the Caps’ D tactics so far in this year look in comparison to the successful ones implemented last season? obviously, the results have been inferior, but has the system dramatically changed?
First reaction is that they’ve been burned for two PP goals, two soft goals and one fluke, so it’s pretty tough to start drawing hard conclusions.
That said, the system so far has not screamed out “trap” to me. Both TBL and CAR had pretty clear skating though neutral at times. Semin’s goal against CAR came after he blew the zone aggressively. Both games featured pretty hard forechecking (or attempted forechecking) from basically all the lines.
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Watch the Bolts’ 3rd goal. See how Ovie is standing way down in the slot? Two years ago or at the start of last year, he’d never have been there – he’d have been up closer to the off-side point man. Now, he’s down in the slot. If only he’d actually picked up Moore rather than just stand there. . .
Beyond that, there were several times where both Ovie and Semin were below the goalline in their own end, which was almost unheard of prior to last year. The forwards are sagging lower and the D are putting less pressure on the puck behind the net and focusing more on blocking shots and guarding the front of the net. Rather than having the D and the center solely responsible for everything below the dots, the wings are helping out. This allows the C and D to collapse a little more toward the net.
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Let’s keep in mind, there are in effect two new pairings out there — Green/Hamrlik and Schultz/Wideman. Carlson and Alzner have been ok, so far, but the other two pairs need to develop that instinctive knowledge of where the other will be.
If they’re having the same problems in November, that will be a problem.
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by ThePeerless on Oct 11, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
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I was extremely frustrated last night when I saw 85 lining up for (and losing) a defensive zone draw in the 3rd period. You’d figure on a line with Halpern (56.9% last year) and Hendricks (53.1%) that wouldn’t be the case – but it was. Why why why why why why why why.
Last night might have been the most disappointing Caps game I’ve ever attended… worse than Game 7 versus the Pens and worse than Game 7 versus the Habs. It was disappointing because the Caps played exactly the same way they’ve been playing for 4+ years now. Their game lacked focus and concentration and the “highlights” of the game were typically displays of individual skill or reliant on the work of role players. They didn’t stick with the game plan and they made numerous unforced and/or mental errors. They let a clearly inferior team (in terms of skill) stick around with them until the game essentially became a coin flip.
There were moments of hope. The team seemed committed to the dump and chase through the opening period or so, and it was highly effective at forcing Tampa’s defensemen to skate and handle the puck – which they clearly don’t do all that well (Hedman excepted). Unfortunately, the team slowly went away from the dump and chase as the game wore on. Yes, MoJo drew a penalty on his up-ice rush and Halpern got a nifty scoring chance on his, but that probably wasn’t what Boudreau drew up on the whiteboard before the game. During the first minute of the first power play, the Caps were moving the puck. . . and then moving their feet to open up passing lanes. Sadly, it really only lasted about a minute before they all started standing around and passing to each other in hopes of getting that perfect “cross-box” pass to the open man at the back door.
The too-many-men penalties were just the diarrhea frosting on the shit sundae that was this game. The first one was bad enough, but the second one was atrocious. During the 3 vs. 4 overtime PK, Wideman came to the bench for a change and literally stood at the bench for a five count before two guys jumped over the boards, then both tried to jump back off, then one finally stayed on. This was a minute BEFORE they got a too-many-men. It’s early in the season and there are a lot of new players, but you’d think that after the first or second Keystone Kops routine, someone would have pulled their ass out of their head behind the bench. (And this is beyond the fact that the Caps were playing a two men high triangle on the 3 vs. 4, rather than a two men low triangle – but they were doing it with two defensemen at times. . . WTF is that?)
Yes, the Caps won. And they won despite a putrid performance in net. The third and fourth lines looked outstanding. Wideman looked like 2007-2009 Dennis Wideman. The Calrzner pairing was great. Vokoun will get better. . .
I don’t care. This team is fundamentally flawed. It seems intent on winning with talent and skill rather than focus, hard work and attention to detail. It hasn’t worked for four years. Changing the role players is ultimately meaningless if the core of the team is unwilling to play the game the right way. As presently constructed and coached, this team will likely be very fun to watch and do very well in the regular season and then. . . well, we all know what happens then.
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by D'ohboy on Oct 11, 2011 11:50 AM EDT reply actions 13 recs
Yes, MoJo drew a penalty on his up-ice rush and Halpern got a nifty scoring chance on his, but that probably wasn’t what Boudreau drew up on the whiteboard before the game.
Mackan was actually busting the 1-3-1 with speed up the middle all game. He got his goal that way and that line drew a penalty that way.
Obviously, this is all speculation.
It was fun to watch, but he also turned the puck over several times with the same move. After the first period, it was obvious that the game plan was dump and chase. Once you back the D off – sure, go ahead and carry the puck. . . It just looked like they abandoned the game plan once the scoring went nuts.
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While I agree on just about all counts, substantively, I have a hard time getting worked up about it on October 11, when the captain just played two games in three nights after flying half-way around the world to bury a family member (among other mitigating factors).
Excuses? Yeah, they are. And I know that Bruce is fond of saying that the only things that are free in this world are bad habits, so the accumulation of ‘em (or inability to break existing ones) is troubling, no doubt, and frankly, I don’t expect things to change much based on what’s come before it. All that said, maybe it’s just a personal coping mechanism, but I’ll still reserve judgment some and not let myself get too concerned until this shit’s happening after the new year.
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by J.P. on Oct 11, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I hear you. I saw this offseason as GMGM doubling down on BB – essentially saying that the failure was one of the players and not the coaches. Then they shipped out a bunch of role players and brought in a bunch of new ones. Experience in net! Experience on D! Grinders! North Americans! Accountability!
And it looked the same. All the way down to the too-many-men penalties.
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Yep – same shit, different season. I wrote in the ’Canes recap:
But what the Caps could demonstrate in 2011-12’s Game One – and what they can show in each of the next 81 games as well – is a superior work ethic, a killer instinct, discipline and an attention to detail. On Saturday night, they really didn’t perform terribly well in those areas, but the result was a 4-3 overtime win nonetheless (courtesy of a Mike Green power-play goal), which shouldn’t be surprising – this team has enough skill to be in every game, regardless of whether they playing well or not. And when they’re not, the result on most nights will be a coin flip… in the regular season, that is.
I think that essentially captures what you’re talking about. And yet, I blindly have faith that the movie will have a different ending this time around…
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My companion at the game kept asking why I seemed annoyed. I tried to explain, but failed. I kept saying that, despite the excitement of the game and the entertainment factor, I just couldn’t be “happy” watching the team do this.
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In sum...
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by J.P. on Oct 11, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
I’m just disappointed to watch this. I actually feel bad for guys like Ward, Laich, Chimera, Hendricks, Alzner, Carlson, Knuble and so forth (time will tell on Brouwer). They’re doing the right thing. Laich finally looked like the player that his words always suggested he thought he was. Watching Ward was like watching Boyd Gordon with skill and size. He does all the “little things” correctly.
These guys are being let down by a core group of players and a coaching staff that can’t seem to get its shit together.
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I have a hard time getting worked up about it on October 11, when the captain just played two games in three nights after flying half-way around the world to bury a family member (among other mitigating factors).
More mitigating factors upcoming too: The next game will be played In Memoriam to Lokomotiv Yaroslavl.
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by J.P. on Oct 11, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
Carla was the prom queen.
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by Alz Well That Ends Well on Oct 11, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
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by Bald Pollack on Oct 11, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Today’s date – 10/11
Games Played = 2
New Players = 5
A little early to push the “We will fail in the playoffs” button, IMO.
If TV hugs the post a little better, this game doesn’t get to OT. The team seems like they have scored more screened/dirty goals in these past two games than they did all season, which is a positive. Lines 2-4 have played very well..
IMO, clearly the PP needs to do better than 0-7 and 52 and 44 need to get on the same page. Again, two games into a long season.
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by dcsportsfan1 on Oct 11, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
A little early to push the "We will fail in the playoffs" button, IMO.
What about this game looked any different than any of the 328 that preceded it over the last four years? I’ve been pushing the “this team is going to fail in the playoffs” button for a long time, and I’ll hold it down until I get any evidence that the core of the team or the coaching staff is able to get the tiger to change its stripes.
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Do you say the same thing after they win 1-0? I mean, it’s one game against a really good team who punked them in the playoffs. The goalie lets in some softies and it was off to the races for both teams. These things happen.
The difference, IMO, is that they seem to have a solid game plan with their forward lines and d-pairings. What was maddening to me was the constant musical chairs that BB would play with the forwards. I’m sure we’ll see some movement up and down the lines, but perhaps not as much useless tinkering.
Also, did you notice how many big asses were in front of Roloson all night long? On Brouwer’s goal I’m pretty sure Rolo got a got idea of what Ward had for lunch. Lots of talk about bakery trips and dirty goals, this team seems to actually skate the talk (except on the PP it seems).
In addition, Tampa got the lead late on Thompson’s goal. Went into the 1-12-1 trap they play. DIdn’t take long for the Caps to get through it, did it? Would that have happened last year or would 19, 8, 28, 52 tried to go 1 on 5 and give up the puck?
Believe me, I’m as aprehensive as anyone about how this team will play when it counts. Seen it too many times. But I’m not going to form my opinion on that based upon two games to open the season.
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by dcsportsfan1 on Oct 11, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
it’s one game against a really good team who punked them in the playoffs
No. It’s two games. The Carolina game was pretty much the same story.
The difference, IMO, is that they seem to have a solid game plan with their forward lines and d-pairings.
Did they stick with that game plan? Not really. Did they have a solid game plan for the PP? Nope.
Also, did you notice how many big asses were in front of Roloson all night long?
Yes. I did. It was great. But this team won’t win if its best players aren’t its best players. Ward, Laich, Chimera, Hendricks, Brouwer – all good stuff. And all ultimately meaningless if the consistency and effort aren’t there from Ovechkin, Semin, Backstrom, Green and the coaching staff.
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I’m of the same mind-set. The last two games are perfect examples of everything that has been wrong with the Caps throughout Boudreau’s tenure. I almost wish they’d lost the last two games so all the feel good crap would go away. It’s sloppy hockey. It’s really sloppy.
Two too many men penalties in one game? That’s a problem. Ovie looking listless? That’s a problem.
And I look at this as a continuation of last season and the three before that. So far, it’s all the same.
by Kolzilla on Oct 11, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
What about this game looked any different than any of the 328 that preceded it over the last four years?
Nothing from the Young Guns and 5 GF. Do you really expect them to be this poor every night?
1 game and 2 game samples aren’t going to tell you much.
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by red army line on Oct 11, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Nothing from the Young Guns and 5 GF. Do you really expect them to be this poor every night?
Despite loving me some Chimera and Hendricks, I also don’t bank on them scoring at this rate, either. Nothing I’ve seen from Ovechkin suggests that he’s broken his bad habits offensively. Nothing I’ve seen from Backstrom suggests that he’s capable of pushing Ovechkin’s play to another level or fundamentally altering the pace of the game when he’s on the ice. Nothing I’ve seen from Semin suggests that he’s ever going to quit taking stupid penalties and mentally checking out of games. Nothing I’ve seen from Green suggests that he’s able to make the right decision with the puck on the PP with consistency – the zone entries were horrendous and that’s very much his bailiwick.
Yes, the core’s performance is likely unsustainable. At the same time, given what we’ve seen from this team over the last four years and given all the talk of accountability and veteran leadership and grittiness and all that crap, how can you not be disappointed to see the Caps essentially come out and pull the same exact shit that they’ve been doing for years? How long should we tolerate a team whose whole is consistently less than the sum of its parts?
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So far I’m giving Green a pass. The bad play I’ve seen is from the other YG. Green’s been solid and to me seems to get it. Zone entries are as much an issue of what his teammates are doing as anything else.
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by Gould Old Days on Oct 11, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
How long should we tolerate a team whose whole is consistently less than the sum of its parts?
Not sure. Probably more than two games as currently constitued. I say if they win four straight we trade everyone.
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by dcsportsfan1 on Oct 11, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
But it’s not a team that’s been less than the sum of its parts for 2 games. It’s been a team that is less than the sum of its parts for multiple seasons.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Oct 11, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Friedman pointed it out last week in 30 Thoughts – the other #1 overall picks taken around AO have worked to improve their games. AO is going the other way. As he goes, so goes his line, and to a smaller but still considerable extent so go the Caps.
I don’t think some frustration with the core of the team is out of place.
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by red army line on Oct 11, 2011 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions
But it’s got new parts this season. Not insignificant parts either. Parts that were brought here to reverse the spring flops. Lets give them some time to influence the teams performance before we say it’s the same old team.
Two games…two games. Two wins. Not without some cause for concern (PP, stupid penalties, defensive lapses), but certainly not enough to suggest this team is doomed.
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by dcsportsfan1 on Oct 11, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
And Ovechkin’s line hasn’t changed. Yet we still see the same issues with him. They’re showing habits that are mental; not ones that have to do with chemistry issues.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Oct 11, 2011 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, I can’t defend Ovi in the past few games. But Backs looks great and I think if 22 can pot a few of the close in shots he’s whiffed on, I think we are probably looking at that line a little differently.
But I agree that we need the first line to be the best line and right now it’s not looking like it, particularly on the PP.
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by dcsportsfan1 on Oct 11, 2011 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions
D’ohboy, I wonder if you think that Ted Leonsis should have done the same thing as Ed Snider of the Flyers. In other words, trading away all 4 of our Young Guns for picks and prospects and building again.
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Ted pretty much has said that outside of moving Ovechkin, GMGM has full reign. I wouldn’t have cried at a Semin trade for the right person, say, Semin and Boudreau for Zetterberg and Babcock.
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by Whiter Mage on Oct 11, 2011 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Snider only traded away the ones that weren’t with the program. They still have Giroux…
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by Gould Old Days on Oct 11, 2011 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions
And JVD. Also, the Flyers never went through a huge rebuild just to land those two. They have a great scouting department, they spend their money well, and they draft well.
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What lovely snark there.!
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by Whiter Mage on Oct 11, 2011 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions
While the Flyers have made some very good decisions in going from being very bad to being very good, I do question many of their spending decisions, such as too many years for Pronger (and stuck with the contract as it falls in the 35 and up category) and the fact they spent so much for Bryz where they had to get rid of important people.
They have a good scouting department but they’ve traded away lots of picks. The fans on BSH have made comments on that.
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Giving this one a rec for eloquence.
My concerns about the top line are part of the record, so I won’t rehash them here.
On the plus side of the ledger, I thought the emphasis was not on scoring in transition or off the rush, but on getting the puck in the zone, often deep in the zone, and getting extended zone pressure. Chimera’s first goal came after the first line (I think) had an extended shift in the O Zone and TBL could not get a full change executed before the third line took the puck in neutral and headed for the net. Chimera’s second goal came after a turnover forced by hard forechecking.
I saw some glimpses of the old, bad caps – pulling up at the blue line and dangling, for instance. But it wasn’t as pervasive as it has been.
Guys also went to the net regularly to create traffic.
All to say that it wasn’t completely horrible all the time. I’m holding out hope that we’re looking at baby steps. Maybe.
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by CapitalCentre on Oct 11, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Nooner’s up – pretty interesting one, if you ask me.
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I don’t know if this should go into the OT thread but…
How much would you pay to see an NHL game between two teams you don’t care about at all? I’m going to be in Dallas in early December and the Stars are playing the Islanders that night. These are two teams that I have no urge to see.
I don’t want to pay more than $40, but I also don’t want to sit in the nosebleeds.
if I was in the same situation, I might see if there’s super cheap tickets on stubhub. I can’t imagine there’s a whole lot of demand to see Dallas-NYI.
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There are cheap tickets way up in the nosebleeds, but I’d rather not sit there if I don’t have to.
The most inexpensive tickets in the mezzanine section are still around $70.
there are some cheap-ish ones up on the Stars ticket exchange.
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I have no problems sitting in the nosebleeds. 40 is probably my cap.
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by Whiter Mage on Oct 11, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Dallas tickets are more than 40? The place is a ghost town. I bet VC has more people for warm ups.
Obviously, this is all speculation.
Speaking of ghost towns, 9500ish (announced) in Columbus last night,
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by Bald Pollack on Oct 11, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Good thing they just got a deal done so for the next thirty years, fans can show up to watch Rick Nash.
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by Whiter Mage on Oct 11, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
According to PD, 6306 announced in Dallas. So, possibly under 6000 when you figure in no shows.
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Uh, yeah, so STH’s are less than that, right? Even if they don’t show up, they’re counted. PD mentioned extenuating circumstances (baseball etc).
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the Dallas-Fort Worth metroplex is so enormous that even the ACLS shouldn’t have that sort of impact on hockey attendance.
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Speaking of attendance, last nights game summary lists 18,506 paid attendance, which is technically a sellout. Didn’t hear them announce it last night though, no doubt to avoid a collective “huh?” from the 15,000 actually at the arena.
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Tickets sold, including the ones Ted obviously re-purchases at the last moment. Holiday weekend (not for me) means people out of town.
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all things considered it looked around 70% capacity — not too shabby for Columbus Day.
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Yeah; just thought it was interesting they didn’t flash the “10x consecutive sellout” up on the jumbotron. No holiday for me either, but Columbus day meant an easy drive into the city.
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they’ve stopped doing that, I think. Probably only with announce “milestone” sellouts now.
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I don’t consider it a novelty, more as a “Thank you, Fans for showing your support” (not like they’re going to lower concession prices or anything)
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I don’t know if this should go into the OT thread but…
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by Gould Old Days on Oct 11, 2011 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
My take on the Caps two games into the season
There have been a lot of mistakes, but…
Two of the three defensive pairings are new this season. Three of the four lines are new this season. And due to Boudreau not wanting to tip his hand too much in the pre-season, most of them didn’t play together much before the regular season started. And even the top line, which has been well below par thus far, hardly played together in the pre-season, though they should be familiar enough to play better than they have.
After two games, we have four points in the standings.
I expect to see the top line play better. I expect that Ovechkin, Backstrom and Knuble will be better individually. I expect the power play will begin to work, at least to last year’s pace if not back to the prior years. I do not expect Vokoun to have a game that bad the rest of the season, and I expect he’ll still get 45-50 starts this season. I expect the team will be able to keep the workrate and energy up while gelling as a group as they become more familiar with each other.
Do I expect too much? I don’t think so. But here’s something else to chew on. Don’t know about you, but I love the new additions. And I love almost all of the changes. If we get what we expect to from the top line, and if the power play improves (I think it will)… The second line will only get better, esp. with MJ90 in the middle. Just need to work on those faceoffs. But that line has a fantastic mix of punisher, assassin, and playmaker. Everyone talks about Chimera’s speed, but Marjo looks every bit as fast as Chimera when he turns on the jets. The third line may end up my all-time favorite Caps line. Right now they are absolutely owning lines at 5 on 5. I doubt the St. Louis-Stamkos line has ever been dominated like that.
The fourth line, whoever is on it with Halpern and Hendricks, not only looks like it could be one of the league’s better 4th lines, but could rival a lot of team’s thirds, and can play shutdown nearly as well as the third line.
The defensive corps is going to scare a lot of teams. I think you’ll see a lot of team’s overwork their top two pairs vs. Washington beccause any third pairing you stick out there createsa mismatch. In addition, Carlson-Alzner could be one of the very best pairings in the NHL by season’s end.
So, I see a team that needs to work on precision, on cutting the mistakes and on chemistry on ice. Getting comfortable with each other. But you know what else I see? I see a team that, barring injury, could really be scary good by season’s end. The pieces are there, and unlike some, I think BB has it in him.
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by Jalabar on Oct 11, 2011 12:56 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I was thinking, “this is not just Ovie’s team anymore”, where, when they were down and needed someone to score a critical goal to get them back in, that Ovie had to carry the team on his back. You are right, BB has it in him, although the rush to judge for the TMMOTI penalties will be swift and severe now – both Bouds and Ovie suffer from the weight of their hedonistic and epicureaun excesses expectations on an almost daily basis.
I guess that’s called growing up a bit, and that’s not bad.
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I’m putting an APB out to Verizon Center denizens:
What happened to Drifter Pale Ale? It was hands-down the best beer served at the VC last year, and now it’s gone from its customary spot near section 119. I looked around but I couldn’t spot it. I saw a ton of Blue Moon, Red Line and Longhammer IPA taps, but no Drifter. If anyone has seen it, could you please post its new location here? Alternatively, if there are any new craft beer options, could you fill me in? (And no, Shock Top and Blue Moon are not craft beer.)
On another note – why do they change so many of the concessions from year to year? It drives me nuts getting into a rhythm/pattern, then having to spend the first 10-15 games of the following season having to figure everything out again.
Unleash the Apathy.
by D'ohboy on Oct 11, 2011 1:08 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
I didn’t see it. Looks like Dewars has a few new beers but stuff like Blue Moon, Stella and such. Since the price was raised again and it’s a hop skip and a jump from my seats I’m going there from now on.
Comrades, leave me here a little, while as yet 't is early morn:
Leave me here, and when you want me, sound upon the bugle-horn
If there was one post that deserves to be green, this is it.
"My favorite fan base in D.C. Is United's. Period. The end." - Steinberg
"This [job] would be so much easier if it wasn't for the fucking [customers]."
by Bald Pollack on Oct 11, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
If you had asked me before the season started when Chimera would hit that 100th goal mark, I would have guessed February. So, congrats to him. But apparently his wife thought last night was the night. From CI:
"My wife mentioned it before I left for the game. She said ‘You should get your 100th tonight.’ I didn’t even know. I thought she jinxed me but she didn’t," Chimera said with a laugh. "It’s just one of those pucks you keep and look back and down the road you can be pretty proud of. It was nice. It’s nice when you have kids – your three-year-old son said, ‘Score a goal for me’ – so you take it to heart. Maybe it’s my good luck charm because you hope they keep saying that."
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maybe she offered him some “incentive” to score um his 100th
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Ironically, I think it makes sense for BB NOT to juggle forward lines 1 & 2 for a couple games. Let MarJo-Brouwer-Semin develop chemistry and, equally important, keep 8-19-22 together so they will be accountable and have NO excuses for under-performing, i.e. shine the spotlight on them with intensity.
Note to Whiter Mage: I posted this in the recap thread last night, but on the theory that you might have missed it I’m reposting here.
Re. our discussion yesterday of MP85 playing on the 4th line, you turned out to be right and I was wrong. Nice work on that one.
Just wanting to give credit where it’s due.
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One game doesn’t prove/disprove that. Beagle may do better long term in the slot. I enjoyed that fourth line, though, for sure.
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It shouldn’t be seen as a MP vs. Beagle or, worse yet, a MP vs. MarJo contest. Instead, the issue is that MP deserves to play every night for a while. MarJo HAS to play every night which means MP goes to Beagle’s spot until another forward gets hurt or demoted. If, after 20 or so games, MP has proved (again) that he can’t contribute quality NHL points for a long term, then Beagle slips back in on the first string 4th line.
Pertaining to our conversation, it does have to do with MP vs. Beagle. We were discussing whether or not you want your fourth line to be a pure grind line, or you wanted MP to join it instead of Beagle for the potential of some spark. It’s an interesting discussion.
I’ll concede more on my argument for Perrault – Tampa’s defense was some garbage. I’ll add more to it with you can match up those three guys against the 5-6 pairing for each team you play and if you do it effectively, I think they’ll be effective.
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In my opinion, what ‘grind’ is lost with Beagle on the bench is more than compensated with the current make-up of our stellar 3rd line. We therefore can – and should – substitute some of that ‘grind’ (whatever it is supposed to mean) for some offensive upside and energy that MP provides.
There was discussion on this, too. Does MP provide enough offensive upside/energy to justify lowering the level of grind efficiency that Beagle brings? I think he does, but he has yet to prove it.
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If he can play like yesterday, then yes. I was surprised – I was all for sitting MP because I didn’t think he’d work on the 4th. I would like to see him as 4W rather than 4C though.
My mind is all twisted like a peanut.
I can smell his breath while looking at that pic
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probably never going to happen again, so I captured the moment.

I also took it for Neil Greenberg. Neil, where are you?
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by RedBirdie on Oct 11, 2011 2:30 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Wait, I thought the Caps scored six goals and the Lightining scored 5? I look at that scoreboard and because I’m too stupid to read the team names and I just always assumed the Caps score would be on the left, I got confused. I also put mustard on my hot dog instead of mayo because the mayo dispensers are usually on the right but last night there was no mayo and I’m too stupid to see the dispenser was yellow and not white.
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Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...
by dcsportsfan1 on Oct 11, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions 9 recs
What’s funny about the scoreboard brouhaha is that my neighbor asked me if it was reversed from last year and I said no, it was simply that they changed the backdrop. Because I expect the home team to be on the right. Makes a ton of sense; the home team bench is on that side, too (at least from where I sit, I realize it’s the opposite on the other side of the ice).
Also, last night was game two. I wasn’t at opening night – did they change it from Saturday?
Don’t try to figure Sasha out. Just ride the wave.
Of all GM’s well-regarded moves, I am beginning to think that (not counting the Vokoun bargain basement deal) the Wideman move will turn out to be the best. I am so impressed. He is nails back there, especially on the PP. Not only will he push Green to be even better (and get Ovie off the point, I hope), his play will give Hammer some rest time as well. One interesting implication of his play is how it will affect Carlson’s role, as remarked earlier. Currently, JC is AWOL on the pp when last year, I think he was expected to be – minimally – on the second unit. It will be interesting to see how this pans out.
I’m fine with JC not getting PP time if it keeps him fresh for all of the toughest ES shifts.
Aim for the head baby Jesus
Yeah, I suppose I am too. He has really been superb in his defensive responsibilities. He and Karl really are impressive together. But, on the other hand, I thought he was also being touted as a possible Norris contender at some point because of his offensive production, as well. As I said, this should be interesting to see how this pans out.
The thought is that he could be a Norris candidate – but likely not for a few years. If he develops a better defensive game now, it should make it easier for him in the future.
My mind is all twisted like a peanut.
one of our favorite topics of late: Will Malkin’s Knee hold up all season? So far, that’s a negative, Houston.
Center Evgeni Malkin will not play in the Penguins’ home opener tonight against Florida, coach Dan Bylsma said this morning.
“It’s just soreness,” Bylmsa said. “We do not think it’s anything other than being sore at this point in time.”
Bylsma said that describing Malkin, a former NHL scoring champion and playoff MVP, as day-to-day would be accurate.
Malkin took the ice for the morning skate and did some drills and shooting, but did not participate in line rushes or with the power play.
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