Friday Caps Clips: At the Midpoint
Your savory breakfast links:
- Japers' Rink Radio comes at you tomorrow morning at 10:00 with another jam-packed episode.
- Notes and assorted whatnot from yesterday's practice (and when people said Alex Ovechkin needed a shot in the arm, I don't think this is what they meant). [Caps365 video (Boudreau, Ovechkin, Poti/Chimera), NHL.com (Masisak), DCEx, CI]
- A final (we think) look back at the brilliance that was 24/7. [Puck Daddy, Y! (Cotsonika, with an interesting note on Mike Green) SB Nation DC, Puck The Media, The A.V. Club, PHT, Bourne's Blog, PensBlog, Pens Universe, CI]
- Fan of The Wire George McPhee on the show and the Winter Classic. [Caps365 (video), Dump 'n Chase, DCEx, Capitals News Network, CI]
- Yesterday's radio hits:
- Brooks Laich calls Bruce Boudreau "a genius" on The Sports Junkies... [106.7 The Fan (audio), D.C. Sports Bog]
- ... Green refers to the Pens' "childish" post-game behavior on LaVar and Dukes ... [106.7 The Fan (audio), CI]
- ... and Alan May was on The Sports Reporters. [ESPN 980 (audio)]
- Professor Frankovic hands out midterm grades. [Frankovic]
- Mike Milbury on the Winter Classic. [CBC (Milbury)]
- Handing out some midseason hardware. [Insider2]
- Naming names, namely the organization's three stars of the week. [RtR]
- Can star players turn it on in the playoffs? [RMNB]
- Are the Caps contenders or pretenders? [Box Seats]
- That dude who DJ's (?) that song (?) that the Caps play when they win talks about the Caps playing that song (?) when they win. [D.C. Sports Bog]
- Vote early. Vote often. Vote Bears. [SHOE]
- GMGM: "There is probably no doubt that (Evgeni Kuznetsov) has the ability to play in the NHL right now." Hot. [USA Today, with more on the Caps' kids at WJC over at CI]
- For Josh Godfrey, the dream is still alive. [Post and Courier]
- Per the HHoF, on this date back in 1989, "Washington's Mike Ridley became just the fourth NHL player to assist on all six of his team's goals in a game (and set a Capitals' team record for most assists in one game) in a 6-3 win against the Blackhawks." Still waiting on you to break that one, Nicky.
- Finally, happy 55th birthday to Mike Liut, happy 45th to Randy Burridge, and happy 39th to Donald Brashear.
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Would have been nice to see Liut put on the colors again, but I guess he’s waiting for if/when the Canes or Blues are in the WC.
"So if I drank a bottle of rum (not really, it was about 2/3 of a bottle) starting at 1p and continuing through the Caps game does that mean I need to do that every Caps game from here on?"
"I would, but I’d also get yourself onto the organ transfer list as well just in case."
My dad once met him and axed him some questions during the 94 lockout. Said he couldn’t have been a nicer guy.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 7, 2011 7:50 AM EST up reply actions
He might have been on the NHLPA exec committee (or whatever it might have been called during the late ‘80s/early ’90s), but I’m probably getting his involvement confused with Gartner’s.
"So if I drank a bottle of rum (not really, it was about 2/3 of a bottle) starting at 1p and continuing through the Caps game does that mean I need to do that every Caps game from here on?"
"I would, but I’d also get yourself onto the organ transfer list as well just in case."
During his career Mike served as NHLPA Vice-President (1986-1989) and Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA) Negotiating Committee Member (1986-1992). Upon retiring after the 1991-1992 NHL season, Mike attended the Detroit College of Law while working as the NHLPA’s Player Liaison. In 1995 he served as a Negotiating Committee Member for the CBA and coached the goaltenders for the University of Michigan hockey team. Upon graduation, Mike remained with the NHLPA as an associate counsel from 1996 until he joined Octagon in 1998.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 7, 2011 8:00 AM EST up reply actions
It’s still terribly hard for me to connect the Canes with the Whalers. If the Canes ever get in a WC do you think their alumni would wear Canes uniforms or Whalers? Going a step further, it’d never happen, but I’d love to see the Canes put on Whaler green if they ever get in.
Buddy a few rows in front of us at the WC was wearing a Nylander WC jersey with a Whale knit cap. Points for devotion I guess.
"So if I drank a bottle of rum (not really, it was about 2/3 of a bottle) starting at 1p and continuing through the Caps game does that mean I need to do that every Caps game from here on?"
"I would, but I’d also get yourself onto the organ transfer list as well just in case."
That was Nylander.
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by zephyr on Jan 7, 2011 1:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I saw that guy! Just kinda made me chuckle.
I like Laich, but I <3 Green
Keep the faith!!!!!!
by RockinRed4Life on Jan 7, 2011 7:58 AM EST up reply actions
Give the Canes a WC but play the game in Hartford.
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by PensAreYourDaddy on Jan 7, 2011 9:06 AM EST up reply actions
That would be like having the Caps play a WC in Baltimore.
/ducks
But seriously, it would. I know people miss the Whale, but they’ve been in Carolina for 13 years now.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 7, 2011 9:08 AM EST up reply actions
And how long since the Caps moved from Baltimore?
/scratches head
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by PensAreYourDaddy on Jan 7, 2011 9:10 AM EST up reply actions
Because it would be a slap in the face to every single Hurricanes fan, especially when the franchise has been massively more successful there than they ever were in Hartford.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 7, 2011 9:13 AM EST up reply actions
True, just throwing it out there. Going back to the roots and all that.
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by PensAreYourDaddy on Jan 7, 2011 9:13 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, and it could take… several minutes to slap every ’Canes fan.
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by Rob Parker on Jan 7, 2011 1:59 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Well, they were in Maryland until 1997. I’m assuming snark, though.
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by The Ghost of Bebop on Jan 7, 2011 9:13 AM EST up reply actions
Landover isn't Baltimore
Baltimore is roughly 35 miles NE of DC.
Landover is 5-6 miles due east from DC line from DC
Thanks for playing.
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by Langway's Legacy on Jan 7, 2011 9:25 AM EST up reply actions
Thanks, I’m aware of that. You see, having lived in this area my whole life, I have some knowledge of its geography.
"Now wait a minute. This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man."
by The Ghost of Bebop on Jan 7, 2011 9:28 AM EST up reply actions
And I was responding to the comparison of playing a Carolina game in Hartford to playing a Caps game in Baltimore. Fortunately the person to whom I was responding got it. Others, not so much.
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by PensAreYourDaddy on Jan 7, 2011 9:46 AM EST up reply actions
Speaking of Baltimore… anyone notice that the Bullets’ banners commemorating 1970-71 and 1972-73 have been removed. They said “Washington Bullets” which is incorrect, because back then they were the Baltmore Bullets.
I guess Ted got enough emails about that to be willing to fix them…
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jan 7, 2011 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
I did notice they had new banners the other night, which is nice.
I still am of the opinion, that once a banner goes up, it stays up. I don’t like how they changed all the “old” Caps banners.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 7, 2011 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
I figure the ONLY way the Canes are going to end up in a winter classic is if they play it in Hartford
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Jan 7, 2011 9:51 AM EST up reply actions
Sadly, I think you’re right, which is a real shame for everyone in CAR that has supported that team.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 7, 2011 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
I guess there’s no love for a Canes-Caps match-up in DC in a few years?
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by PensAreYourDaddy on Jan 7, 2011 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
Not from NBC.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 7, 2011 10:18 AM EST up reply actions
Although I would enjoy the shitstorm of outrage from the Canadian media. If they hated THIS year’s WC, a Caps/Canes one might make them riot. Seriously.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 7, 2011 10:19 AM EST up reply actions
NBC's Official List of Teams It Will Accept in the Winter Classic
Rangers
Bruins
Flyers
Penguins
Capitals
Red Wings
Blackhawks
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Hell, they didn’t even want the Caps LAST YEAR because they felt Boston/Philadelphia was better for TV.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 7, 2011 10:21 AM EST up reply actions
Good call on those TV ratings, NBC.
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by Scott in Shaw on Jan 7, 2011 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
First things first: Are there other NHL teams besides the Penguins and Capitals?
Nope!
Wait, really?
OK, sure, in the strictest technical sense there are other teams in the league. In addition to the Penguins and Capitals, there are also the Flyers, Rangers, Red Wings, Blackhawks and… um… the Lakers. Look, it really doesn’t matter. Just pay attention to the Penguins and Capitals and everyone will be happy.
From DGB’s Post-WC FAQ
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Add Kings as a road team. And I think in future years, Dallas and Colorado could be in there.
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by Gould Old Days on Jan 7, 2011 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
As far as hosting though, I think the list above + Colorado and Buffalo are the only possibilities.
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I think Colorado would be WONDERFUL for a WC. A really neat location there that they would never, never use ever is Colorado State’s football field up in Fort Collins. Would be awesomely picturesque as a hockey venue.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 7, 2011 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
(I’m still pushing my crackpot Armed Forces idea. Game hosted by the Rangers for the Army, Colorado for the Air Force, and of course the Caps host the game for the Navy)
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by Gould Old Days on Jan 7, 2011 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
St Louis could host. Not the hugest TV market, but after 5-10 years, the WC will be generating its own audiences.
You had me at no problem.
You know I live in STL. After going to Pitt this year, I’m not sure STL could host. First, I don’t think we have a downtown with the hotel capacity to host, and second, I’m not a fan of a baseball stadium hosting. Sight lines just aren’t as good as a bowl.
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What stadium do the Rams play in? Would that be usable?
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I think you left out the Stars, Wild, Avs, and Sharks. The West will get a classic next year (Maybe Dallas at Minnesota… that’d be a great one.)
Would also love to see a Classic of Calgary at Atlanta, with the Flames wearing their old Atlanta Uniforms…
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jan 7, 2011 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
Stars, Wild, Avs, and Sharks.
Stars – can’t host, too warm, likely no good stadium option. Possible as a team, but unlikely. Long way removed from late 90s heyday, no big name stars, and weren’t even a great ratings draw when they were good due to being NJ Devils West.
Wild – Boring team, only a regional draw. Could potentially be a host, but only if Detroit or Chicago are in the game. For those pining for a Dallas vs. Minn matchup, nobody other than old-school hockey nuts gives a damn.
Avs – possible. The weather in Denver could be too warm, but at least it won’t rain. Avs need another year or so to get back on the national radar though. Still, the idea of watching Dutchy and Stats doing the “Bang-Bang” dance after a victory over the Wings would be sweet.
Sharks – possible participant, but not as a host. SJS is waaaaay too warm and rainy at that time of year. Furthermore, the Sharks aren’t the same kind of national ratings draw that the Wings/Hawks/B’s/Flyers/Pens are.
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I don’t see where being too warm should be a problem

I mean, that was in 1993.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 7, 2011 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
And they had to contend with giant grasshoppers.
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You’re forgetting global warming….
Also, the new Cowboys stadium has AC…even with the roof open.
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Exactly. I think temperature is one of the lesser worries. I bet they could get a nice ice sheet in Dallas in the new Cowboys Stadium but I agree with D’oh that it’s not a good team to market the game around.
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I don’t see how Dallas is big problem.. The weather is certainly unpredictable in Dallas that time of year, but if you have the game inside Cowboys stadium you can control the temperature if need be.
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but if you have the game inside Cowboys stadium
Again, that kind of defeats the purpose of the “Winter” Classic and the entire idea of “taking the game back to its outdoor roots.”
At some point, I could potentially see it happening as a money-grab, but not for a few years – maybe when the outdoor angle gets stale.
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No doubt. I’m just saying its possible. Plus, more than likely the roof will be open because chances are it will be in the 40’s. Not that the roof open really gives it a true outdoor feel, but its a compromise I’m guessing the league would make if the money was right.
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Do you really have that much sympathy for ’Canes fans? Where is this coming from? What do you mean everyone that has supported them? Aside from a brief moment that place has been half full.
Drunk Guy: "Alex Ovechkin is playing more like Magic Johnson than Michael Jordan this year."
Laichitor: "He has AIDS?"
To be fair, was it ever full in Hartford? It’s better than it used to be.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 7, 2011 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t think Hartford ever went to an ECF and then started the next year with empty buildings.
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They never went to a Wales Conference Final ;)
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 7, 2011 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
You know you would love it

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by Cap-O-Vens on Jan 7, 2011 12:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Now wouldn’t the Capital look much better in the background of that picture?
Aim for the head baby Jesus
The seats behind home plate at field level would be truly awful
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Please, let’s not start this again.
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by fat_daddyo on Jan 7, 2011 12:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think the Rangers and Kings should be in the next World Classic. They’ll meet exactly in the middle of the country and flood some cornfield in Kansas to make an ice rink. We’ll actually just call it the American Classic.
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"So if I drank a bottle of rum (not really, it was about 2/3 of a bottle) starting at 1p and continuing through the Caps game does that mean I need to do that every Caps game from here on?"
"I would, but I’d also get yourself onto the organ transfer list as well just in case."
by Bald Pollack on Jan 7, 2011 12:09 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
At least no one’s brought up if the Red Rockers should be there or not
/ducks
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 7, 2011 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
Red Rockers, WC in Baltimore, and Cindy Crysby…indvidually they all guarantee 1000+ comments in Clips…together, the rink would explode.
Get your asses out of your heads -BB
This is why we’ll never had world peace…
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I think the Red Rockers should play in the Winter Classic, and HBO do a 24/7 series on the road to the Winter Classic. Ratings will go through the roof for the locker room scenes alone.
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Which reminds me (in a very tangential way):
Was there a shot in the Rocky music scene of Ovie “seeing a man about a dog”? I couldn’t tell, but he was certainly focused in that direction.
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didnt see, but it cant be worse then him flashing his junk to Green, i think in ep 2
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I was glad to hear that was Greenie’s belt in the finale too. It didn’t look like that on my first viewing.
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I thought the same thing. That’s why you don’t mix those colors!
by DrinkingPartner on Jan 7, 2011 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
Its before he takes the towel off, you can see a waistband from the side angle
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Grey shorts, visible at left hip, easy.
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right hip, when he first lowers the towel, between his arm and his body, there is a grey waistband.
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Definitely not shorts, though. Tighty-grey-ies, maybe.
by DrinkingPartner on Jan 7, 2011 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
This has been, hands down, the creepiest thread on the Rink. Ever.
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by D'ohboy on Jan 7, 2011 3:19 PM EST up reply actions 7 recs
Cap-O-Vens, you forgot to photoshop in the ugly-ass Hilton hotel covering up the entire left half of the picture.
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by Laich It Or Lump It on Jan 7, 2011 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
Liut is now a player agent. I believe he has guys such as Ryan Malone as his clients.
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"So if I drank a bottle of rum (not really, it was about 2/3 of a bottle) starting at 1p and continuing through the Caps game does that mean I need to do that every Caps game from here on?"
"I would, but I’d also get yourself onto the organ transfer list as well just in case."
Selling Kuz as NHL ready.
Selling that so hard. He’s nowhere near physically ready for the small rinks and the physicality of the NHL. He’d get absolutely demolished every time the play went to the boards, or if he needed to play the body for any reason.
He’d be one of the more skilled players, there’s no question about his hands or vision after the WJC. But there’s more to it than threading passes and dangling.
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by Knee high to a duck on Jan 7, 2011 7:59 AM EST via mobile reply actions
And given how conservative GMGM has been about selling assets (especially ones that look like they could pan out), I don’t see this as pumping his value for a trade. What it might be is preparation to buy out his contract in the K next year, but I think a year in the A would do Kuz a world of good.
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by Knee high to a duck on Jan 7, 2011 8:02 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
It’s hard for me to see Kuznetsov getting any significant time in the A, other than on rehab or something. Not that it wouldn’t do him good, but he’s not buying out of his KHL deal to come here to play in HER, and after another year there, they’ll plug him in here I’m bettin’. But I could be wrong.
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Agreed, which is why I phrased it the way I did. I want to see him get better at instinctive physical play, rather than thinking about hits, lining them up and kind of falling awkwardly into guys. This is a big year for him: if he puts on some strength (a la Alzner) then he’ll have a much better chance in the NHL.
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by Knee high to a duck on Jan 7, 2011 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
Watched him twice in the WJCs, and yea, I agree – he’d get crushed. All the skill he (clearly) has would be canceled out because there’s no way he can match up with NHL skaters right now on a physical level. Or AHL skaters, for that matter.
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At the risk of over-parsing, I’m tempted to read GM’s quote as, “He has the skill to play in the NHL right now.” Which the reports all seem to indicate that he does.
In addition to your reservations about his physical maturity, I also note that in the NHL, you have to play hard more often than just the third periods.
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Further to that, see McPhee’s amplification on the initial thought:
"There is probably no doubt that (Kuznetsov) has the ability to play in the NHL right now — the issue is only whether he would have the strength and maturity to get through the year and be good all year long
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Yeah, I definitely pulled the soundbite without providing full context in that bullet.
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Well, dude, you read like 50 articles and then organize a post with commentary on each pose, and all at like 5 in the morning: no one expects you to write a full review of each one.
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Word. I just tease ’em – you guys dissect ’em.
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by Hang a Laingtern on Your Problems on Jan 7, 2011 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
He improved mightily over the course of the tourney though. In the first game, he was God-awful. By the elimination round, he looked like he’d adjusted to the rink size and the speed and physicality of the Canadian team. I don’t think he’d need a full year in the A. Given the organizational tendencies that JP noted, and the likely unwillingness of a Russian to play for long in the AHL, I could see the team letting him get his feet wet here in DC.
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When Canada was aggressively physical, he was as invisible as the rest of the offense. When they decided to back off at 3-0, he had much better results. I think that a full year in the A would help him with that kind of physical treatment, seeing it night in and night out, without getting pounded by NHL players.
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by Knee high to a duck on Jan 7, 2011 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
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Really, really interesting article about Avery opening up on his time in Dallas
“I have to take the major portion of the responsibility for what happened in Dallas,” Avery told The Post on Wednesday. "They gave me a contract to come there and help the team win and when I got there, I didn’t adjust.
“I didn’t adjust to the conditions. I didn’t adjust to Texas as a whole, I didn’t adjust to the team, and when I say the team, I don’t mean the organization, I mean some of the guys in the room.
“I’m responsible 100 percent for that; 100 percent.”
Avery wants to make it clear, though, that he feels he had at least a reasonable relationship with most of his Dallas teammates — with two exceptions.
He won’t say their names, but it’s clear he is referring to Mike Modano and Marty Turco, longtime Stars who departed Dallas with a push out of the door as free agents over the summer, Modano to Detroit and Turco to Chicago.
“I was hung out to dry a lot by a couple of guys on that team,” Avery said. "They are two individuals who aren’t playing there anymore.
“I think people should be able to put the pieces of the puzzle together fairly easily.”
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 7, 2011 8:19 AM EST reply actions
It’s interesting how, almost across the board, you hear that Modano and Turco were just awful teammates.
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In that case alone, or all the time in general?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 7, 2011 8:44 AM EST up reply actions
All the time, particularly Modano, according to some of the Defending Big D crew. Nobody likes him off the ice.
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Wow. Doesn’t really shock me that they are doing a lot better this year with him not there.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 7, 2011 8:48 AM EST up reply actions
I suppose, but I’m legitimately surprised at how good they’ve been. I’d be interested to see someone smarter than me look at the underlying numbers, because I’d be surprised if they can keep this up.
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at first glance
Dallas is 15th in GF/G, 11th in GA/G, 12th on the PP, 23rd on the PK, 28th in S/G, and 21st in SA/G.
That may be a playoff team, but I don’t think its a Pacific Division winning team.
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According to my “Pythagorean Standings,” they should have 3 fewer points than they do.
(See, Parker Bros., I CAN learn.)
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Our father would be so proud…
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by Killer_Carlson on Jan 7, 2011 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
Well, they did make the Conference Finals a few years ago with a really young team. Missed the playoffs the last two years.
I really like what they have up front with Eriksson, Neal, Benn, and Ott.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 7, 2011 8:57 AM EST up reply actions
According to D’ohboy’s Pythagoreans, they’ve been a little on the lucky side this year. Not to where it’s something massively significant (like Tampa Bay), but still on the plus side.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 7, 2011 9:01 AM EST up reply actions
speaking of the Stars...
McKenzie:
Nothing official yet, and if that changes I will let you know, but signs point to Langenbrunner returning to DAL. But deal is not yet done.
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Makes a ton of sense.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 7, 2011 9:06 AM EST up reply actions
I was over reading the Defending Big D board last night amidst the Langenbrunner rumours and it was interesting to see how the mood changed from “Loved him when he was here but I really don’t think he’s worth the price getting him” to “Holy shit we may be getting Langenbrunner back!”
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Futhering the point
from Pierre LeBrun:
Source close to Langenbrunner deal says it’s 90 percent chance of being Dallas…
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I’ve heard some pretty terrible things about Modano from folks in Dallas. All hearsay, clearly, but none of it good.
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Good to know I’m not the only one.
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by Chris Burton on Jan 7, 2011 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
Like he’s just an aloof prick, that sort of thing? Or he’s a selfish player? Both?
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by Chris Burton on Jan 7, 2011 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
Email in profile.
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by Chris Burton on Jan 7, 2011 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
Like D’ohboy, I can’t exactly say what I’ve heard, outside of what the DBD guys say.
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by Chris Burton on Jan 7, 2011 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
Milbury
Exactly how I saw it, too, Mike. Just scraped by in that one!
But, there was the ice to deal with, particularly in the third period. It was tough sledding for everyone. Still, the Penguins zipped around it like they were on a fresh sheet in Edmonton. And the Caps played a great version of rope-a-dope. They took punches, but sucked it up in the end. I applaud their diligence. And their competitiveness.
The Pens did dominate in a big way in the first 10 minutes of the third. Absent a couple of real good saves by Varly, we could be talking about another collapse.
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There was a lot more water on the one side of the ice too, so it was very good they switched for the last 10 mins.
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by RockinRed4Life on Jan 7, 2011 9:37 AM EST up reply actions
Before those holiday credit card bills come due, you may want to peep this. #74 up for grabs and many others. Me, I’m waiting for the #39 second period jersey with the teeth marks on the shoulder.
Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...
As previously seen in the other day’s Clips…
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Sarge is headed to the HHOF
In the notes on that auction page:
Here’s what’s up for bid from the 2011 Bridgestone NHL Winter Classic:
· 19 jerseys worn by the Capitals during the first period. The jersey worn in the first period by Jeff Schultz was presented to the Hockey Hall of Fame.
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Seeing “Sarge” and “HHOF” in the same sentence just gave someone at OFB a heart attack.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 7, 2011 9:15 AM EST up reply actions
From Wednesday’s Clips:
* Jeff Schultz: Hall of Famer. Sorta. [MeiGray]
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LOL, my bad. More time to read clips on Friday mornings than Thursdays I guess.
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Well, when I see Jeff Schultz Hall of Famer link, I assume it’s to a gif of Mr. Nasty trying to buy a ticket to get into the building…
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Never assume.
And we do not joke about Jeff Schultz’s HoF credentials around here. Ever. By my count, there are at least 35 Hall of Famers with worse career plus-minuses than Sarge has already. Eff Schultz for Norris… Schultz for the Hall!
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I’d settle for Schultz for the top two pairings…
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by Gould Old Days on Jan 7, 2011 9:57 AM EST up reply actions
The #39 Jersey...
Right here: http://auction.nhl.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/ProductDisplay?prrfnbr=142765203&prmenbr=12717464&aunbr=143111913
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jan 7, 2011 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
Jesus, Ovi’s is up to $6520, Crosby at $6560
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Book it: in two weeks Don Cherry will offer the higher going price of 87’s jersey as THE reason why he’s a better hockey player and human being than Ovi….
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I think the all-star voting proved that already.
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by PensAreYourDaddy on Jan 7, 2011 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
That would explain my Norris Trophy last year.
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"So if I drank a bottle of rum (not really, it was about 2/3 of a bottle) starting at 1p and continuing through the Caps game does that mean I need to do that every Caps game from here on?"
"I would, but I’d also get yourself onto the organ transfer list as well just in case."
$6500?!?!? Come on people. It was just a regular game.
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by PensAreYourDaddy on Jan 7, 2011 3:03 PM EST up reply actions
Dan Bylsma was awfully upset at the end of that regular game.
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by Knee high to a duck on Jan 7, 2011 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
He was just upset that the hat didn’t prove to be a good luck charm.
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by PensAreYourDaddy on Jan 7, 2011 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
Everyone in the Pens’ room after that game looked to be at the limits of their composure. Except 87.
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If he’d known where he was, he might’ve.
by DrinkingPartner on Jan 7, 2011 3:17 PM EST up reply actions
Green refers to the Pens’ “childish” post-game behavior on LaVar and Dukes …
Skipping over that, in rewatching parts of 24/7 last night when there was 00.6 left, I got a kick out of one of the officials (or maybe it was even Knuble) saying something to the effect of “you guys want to go out like that?”
"So if I drank a bottle of rum (not really, it was about 2/3 of a bottle) starting at 1p and continuing through the Caps game does that mean I need to do that every Caps game from here on?"
"I would, but I’d also get yourself onto the organ transfer list as well just in case."
The parts with the officials were some of the best parts of the entire series. I’d definitely watch a similar series just following them
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Definitely said that. He was also really, really pissed that the linesman (Pierre) wouldn’t drop the puck.
“Drop the fucking puck, Pierre!!!!”
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So Sid missed last nights game with a concussion, but Bylsma says it was unrelated to the collision in the WC. Hmm, me thinks there is some covering up going on there.
Wouldn’t want to let it be known that they let a guy get back on the ice, much less the next game, when he was concussed. Having seen the locker room footage of Sid after that period, I really hope he was evaluated fully before getting back out there. He didn’t look right at all.
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He got boarded pretty hard by Hedman in Pitts win over Tampa. That could also be what did it. I was reading the thread over at Pensburgh and most people are split between that hit and Steckel’s.
by BradleyFightingVehicle on Jan 7, 2011 9:23 AM EST up reply actions
It’s a pretty interesting story.
UPDATE: Bylsma said after his team’s loss in Montreal that Crosby has a “mild concussion” and will miss about a week. When asked if Crosby has shown any signs of a concussion before Wednesday’s win against Tampa, Bylsma said Crosby wasn’t showing any signs of it. NHL Network showed a highlight of a hit from Victor Hedman(notes) that bounced Crosby’s head off the glass in the Lightning game.
Yet John Shannon of Sportsnet dropped a bomb on Twitter: “Sources confirm that Crosby was indeed concussed on Steckel hit at WC…and played vs TB with mild concussion.”
What sort of action does/can/will the league take on this if it comes out the Pens knew he had a concussion and he played anyway? Especially in the current climate of protecting athletes with concussions?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 7, 2011 9:25 AM EST up reply actions
I’m guessing it depends on if the NFL tests to come back are stricter than the NHL ones are (the same doc developed both IIRC), and whether or not you can bluff your way back over them. God knows after seeing that Real Sports piece earlier in the year and hearing about Austin Collie’s concussions with the Colts the tests don’t seem nearly as good as they could be.
"So if I drank a bottle of rum (not really, it was about 2/3 of a bottle) starting at 1p and continuing through the Caps game does that mean I need to do that every Caps game from here on?"
"I would, but I’d also get yourself onto the organ transfer list as well just in case."
Collie should have been put on the shelf after he got knocked the hell out in that Eagles game. And he should hang it up for good now.
But back on point, God forbid something really bad had happened to Sid. I just don’t know how you can have a real good concussion policy if no one’s going to follow it.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 7, 2011 9:36 AM EST up reply actions
I’m sure Sid passed all the tests.
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From a Rosen article on the issue:
Dr. Ruben Echemendia, who oversees the League’s concussion testing program and is the chairman of the NHL/NHLPA Concussion Working Group…said the only way for teams to accurately assess and treat a concussion is for the player to be open and honest.
“No matter how many tests we give, we’re never going to be able to proceed with 100-percent clarity [about a player’s status] unless the player can tell us what’s going on with them,” said Echemendia, who spent 15 years as the director of the Psychological Clinic at Penn State University before pursuing a full-time independent practice. "We have to rely on the players to honestly report their symptoms. We do know from our data that even those players who report their symptoms and say they’re feeling symptom-free, we’re able to from our data pick up an additional 30 percent that have concussions through the neuropsych testing showing they’re still not ready to return to play. But in the end it’s a complicated injury. We absolutely have to rely on the player to tell us what is going on with them.
“The earlier they tell us what is going on with them, the less time lost and the better off they’re going to be down the road.”
"So if I drank a bottle of rum (not really, it was about 2/3 of a bottle) starting at 1p and continuing through the Caps game does that mean I need to do that every Caps game from here on?"
"I would, but I’d also get yourself onto the organ transfer list as well just in case."
…and no one with a competitive bone in his body wants to miss a game when they feel like they can play…
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 7, 2011 9:44 AM EST up reply actions
Yep. I think it may have been Petchesky on Deadspin a few months back when the NFL regular season was about to start who talked about it very well. I’m paraphrasing, but the comment was related to Ryan Grant who got nicked in preseason and was trying to bluff his way back onto the field.
"So if I drank a bottle of rum (not really, it was about 2/3 of a bottle) starting at 1p and continuing through the Caps game does that mean I need to do that every Caps game from here on?"
"I would, but I’d also get yourself onto the organ transfer list as well just in case."
Complicating matters are some (NHR) who refute some of what Echemandia does, causing confusion with the athlete.
"So if I drank a bottle of rum (not really, it was about 2/3 of a bottle) starting at 1p and continuing through the Caps game does that mean I need to do that every Caps game from here on?"
"I would, but I’d also get yourself onto the organ transfer list as well just in case."
The fact that they had to send Sid back to PIT from MTL tells me that his symptoms must’ve got worse to the point of being noticeable on or after the plane ride. Sid’s bucket swole up just like poor Ben Lovejoy’s face with the pressure changes.
Also, it was silly of the League to schedule PIT for a back-to-back on the other side of the WC.
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The fact that they had to send Sid back to PIT from MTL tells me that his symptoms must’ve got worse to the point of being noticeable on or after the plane ride.
As one who has suffered through more than his fair share of concussions, I can tell you that a lot of the time, there is an initial spate of symptoms (dizziness, ringing in the ears, feeling “out of it”, sensitivity to light), but that these can diminish greatly right after the concussion, leading you to think you’re ok. Then a few days to a week to sometimes even two weeks later, the symptoms return and often they’re worse. There’s a reason that so many people are so invested in developing sure-fire tests for concussions. It’s not just because players under-report, it’s because the symptoms ebb and flow and are hard for a player to understand.
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it’s because the symptoms ebb and flow and are hard for a player to understand.
Additionally, I feel sure one of the side effects of being a pro hockey player is that you often don’t feel your best. Soreness, fatigue, mild (or not so mild) hangovers a lot of the time, that sort of thing.
Add in some vaguely weird concussion symptoms, and they could easily get lumped in with the regular shittiness, no?
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And if it actually is a “minor” concussion, the symptoms could initially be minor enough that they’re easy to gloss over/ignore.
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by SeattleCapsFan on Jan 7, 2011 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
yep, and then get your bell rung again….isn’t going to be pretty.
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Agreed on Bylsma’s incentive, but the Pens, generally, have a greater incentive not to screw around with The Franchise. My guess is the Steckel hit gave him a mild/playable/borderline concussion (he sure did look like he was shaking out cobwebs on 24/7), and the Hedman hit exacerbated it (or may very well have been enough all on its own).
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I bet it came down to something like then asking him if he felt well enough to play, and them taking his word for it.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 7, 2011 9:27 AM EST up reply actions
I pretty much agree with you and JP. He probably should have been pulled from the WC as a precaution based on what we’ve now seen on 24/7, but I can also see where he would have said he was fine. Wonder if HBO has unaired video on that; it would probably be helpful for the league and the Pens to clear any malpractice regarding Crosby’s health.
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I can see it.
Doctor: “Sid, you took a shot to the head, so we need to examine you for a possible concussion. You feeling any headaches, nausea, dizziness?”
Sid: “Nah, I feel good.”
Doctor: “Unusual fatigue, trouble sleeping, seeing spots, anything like that?”
Sid: “Nope, just feel like normal.”
Doctor: “OK, I’m going to examine your pupils to see if they’re the same size….looks good….track my finger if you would with both eyes….ok, looks good. You’re sure you don’t feel anything out of the ordinary, because that looked like a pretty stiff wallop?”
Sid: “Feel like I always do.”
If, as noted above, sometimes the symptoms are undetectable, then the only thing they might have done was the neuro test.
Also, concussion effects are supposed to be progressive; i.e., two concussions are more than twice as bad as one. Or so I read online. So the Hedman hit could have exacerbated the Steckel hit.
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I don’t think the above was supposed to be funny but I laughed. Kind of like your typical Crosby interview answers.
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by PensAreYourDaddy on Jan 7, 2011 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
“Both teams played hard” “Both teams played hard”
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 7, 2011 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I was going to make a heroin joke, but felt it to be in bad taste.
by DrinkingPartner on Jan 7, 2011 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
Nope, not going for comedic effect, just thinking “aloud” how easy it would be for a brain injury to get missed in the shuffle.
No one wants Sid to go down Savard’s road.
I’m thinking that each team is going to have to institute a “concussion officer” – kind of like the Safety Officer on a construction site, a guy that isn’t beholden to anyone else, and who has the authority to shut it down until his concerns are addressed – that can yank a guy from the lineup until he passes a neurological test.
The whole culture of hockey, and all of the incentives and disincentives, push a guy to keep playing. They need a mechanism to save them from themselves, the team, etc.
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by fat_daddyo on Jan 7, 2011 11:00 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
… who would like to keep receiving that easy and lucrative concussion testing work…
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by Gould Old Days on Jan 7, 2011 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
Actually I don’t know that I buy that. I think they are going to concussion specialists, if there is one in the area. Those doctors have a reputation to maintain and none of them wants to be responsible for an Austin Collie. I bet the doctors don’t make that much money from the NFL. They might just get the regular payment for a doctor visit from NFL insurance. Also, it’s not like that many players need to get tested by the outside doctors every week. The majority of their money probably still comes from regular patients, the fees they make from teaching at the concussion conferences, and research. They aren’t motivated by the same things as the NFL team doctors. It’s the NFL team medical staff that do the baseline tests before the season starts and repeat those tests and work with the players. The clearing by an outside doctor is an additional step.
But the doctors still want the regular income a pro-sports team brings, and there’s definitely a benefit to your reputation from being a pro-sports team’s doctor.
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Yeah, they sure wouldn’t want to put him in jeopardy, particularly with the ol’ coconut. I wonder if the whole hoopla of the WC led the Pens to unintentionally blow off the type of evaluation they might have done for a normal game. Particularly since nobody really saw the collision occur.
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They had several intervening days. They ought to have had him to the neuro test, but as was pointed out in 24/7, you’re always going, going, going in pro hockey, so…
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Hockey doesn’t stop for CAT scans.
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by dcsportsfan1 on Jan 7, 2011 12:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Late to the party here.
I am very frustrated at the continued tweets by seemingly knowledgeable folks (yes, this means you Mr. Dreger) that the Steckel hit caused the concussion. I tend to agree with you JP, but putting out that definitive a comment without even a qualifier, is frustrated.
If Bylsma says it occurred in the TB game, the your report should be something about the fact that you don’t believe Bylsma. I respect that. But don’t report one thing as fact, when the Pens are reporting another.
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What’s nuts is that people want it to be or think that it is black and white. No one seems to be coming with “He possibly had a very mild concussion (not enough to sideline him, as he passed all the tests) that was worsened by the Hedman hit.”
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But that would absolve Steckel of blame, and they wouldn’t want to do that, would they?
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Why would anyone want to deflate a perfectly good grudge?
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They wouldn’t it. And, if I get ridiculously conspiratorial, a new story deflects from the Canadian swoon against the Russians. Of course, that really is brutally unfair. I’m just so aggravated by this.
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And to continue the dog pile – at minimum please point out that, if you believe Steckel’s hit caused the concussion (and it very well might have), then the Pens fucked up by playing 87 against TB.
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…And the final period of the WC, although considering the charged competitive nature of that contest, I think they would have had to tie him down to keep him out.
Of course, that game didn’t mean anything except that Jordan Staal returned.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 7, 2011 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
He got in on the second shift, you know, and didn’t miss a beat.
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I think they would have had to tie him down to keep him out.
Except at the end of the game when they pulled the goalie and he forgot to get on the ice.
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Usually when the goalie gets pulled there’s no red flag.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 7, 2011 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
I think he meant a red flag that Sid wasn’t alert enough to get on the ice when he should have. It was uncharacteristic.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 7, 2011 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
Really? O_o
Wow, I don’t see it at all even after you mention it. Slow brain day for me, or you’re just being really obscure.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 7, 2011 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
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Agreed. If the collision (because I view a hit as intentional and do not believe that what happened was intentional) with Stecks caused it, why in the world did they send him back out in the WC? Granted I don’t know if anyone other than all the tv viewers saw the collision, but was it reviewed between periods by the Pens? If he seemed out of it, like his bell had been rung, wouldn’t they have checked him out then? We know the NHL reviewed it, if they were concerned about his head wouldn’t they have said something to the Pens? I’m to believe that no one noticed that their star player wasn’t quite himself until 5 days later?
Thursday if Crosby, who’s expected to be out about a week with what the club is now acknowledging is a “mild concussion”, had displayed any concussion symptoms after the Winter Classic, Penguins coach Dan Bylsma told reporters: “We wouldn’t have thought he was OK to play (against Tampa Bay). He certainly saw doctors.”
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Not buying it. The Pens aren’t going to risk Sid playing with a head injury. Also would he be that dense? I mean would he really risk playing with a head injury, as much as I don’t like him I’d hope he’d have more sense than that!
With his team down late in the game, they pulled the goalie and the best player in the world FORGOT TO GO ON THE ICE. How is that a sign that the guy is ok?
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Haha….I read that in the Chris Farley “talk very quietly and then get VERY LOUD!!” voice.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 7, 2011 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
Not one person on the Pens bench saw Flower come off the ice! They were all watching the action in the Caps zone, so talk to the coach about not smacking someone in the back of the head and saying get your ass out there.
That’s like hockey 101. “Not paying attention” is a terrible excuse.
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by SeattleCapsFan on Jan 7, 2011 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
I feel sure that everyone on the bench knows the drill for pulling the goalie, and that the coaches yelled out the appropriate things to alert them.
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One would hope! The previous poster made it sound as if the reason Sidney didn’t hop out on the ice when Flower came in was because of the collision with Stecks and that he was showing signs that something was wrong then. I watched the replay of the WC on the NHL channel with the Canadian broadcasters and they showed the bench, they showed Flower come off the ice and it did not look like one Pen knew he was there. My point was it wasn’t just Sid not moving it was the entire bench.
Right, but Sid was the guy that was supposed to go out. And I forget if it was Pierre McGuire or someone else, but one of the commentators pointed out that normally if Sid isn’t already on the ice when the goalie is pulled he automatically goes out so the coaches don’t even have to tell him to get on the ice.
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And Ovie has that role for the Caps. He’s always the guy on a delayed penalty, unless he’s out there.
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He may have been more than a little dazed by the WC hit, but it doesn’t mean he had a concussion (he may have, who knows?). He had 4 days to recover before the Tampa Bay game, and he looked great in the game. Concussion symptoms don’t always show right away, and it’s possible that no one (including Crosby) knew how bad it was until the team flew to Montreal. Changes in air pressure and altitude have terrible effects on an injured brain, and may have been what brought the diagnosis to light.
Considering the way the Pens handled Staal with kid gloves and sitting Malkin to allow him to heal at various points this season and last, there is no way they send Sid into a meaningless January game against Tampa Bay if he had a dent in his dome.
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I just got a chance to see the last episode of 24/7. I know some were disappointed, but for me, it was the best one yet. Yeah, I could have done without the Matt Cooke schmaltz, but I thought the final episode really captured the essence of what makes the Winter Classic so great. In particular, the final 20 minutes may have been the best piece of sports journalism that I’ve ever seen. The writing was absoultely poetic, particularly the last five minutes and the cinematography was stunning. The group of people who watched it with me were totally silent for a good 30 seconds after the the final shot, that’s how blown away we were by what we had just seen. 24/7 captured what makes sports so great-the ability to bring strangers together and make them a community. I’ve already set the Tivo to record all four episodes so I can sit back and watch them again,
by b.orr4 on Jan 7, 2011 9:27 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
That series spent WAAAAAY too much time on Cooke.
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by D'ohboy on Jan 7, 2011 11:02 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It might be heresy, but I sort of wish they’d spend less time on Boudreau.
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by Hang a Laingtern on Your Problems on Jan 7, 2011 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
From Bob McK
All indications are that the Langenbrunner deal to DAL is now done.
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Langenbrunner headed back to Dallas
The Devils have scheduled a 10:30 a.m. conference call with Devils general manager Lou Lamoriello. The team did not say the purpose of the conference call, but a source indicated this morning that right wing Jamie Langenbrunner will be traded back to the Dallas Stars.
I have no information at this point on what the Devils will get back in the trade.
As of Thursday evening, Lamoriello was listinen to offers from teams while Langenbrunner sat out the Devils’ 4-2 loss to the Philadelphia. Although Philadelphia reportedly made a offer, it apparently wasn’t good enough for the team to bring it to Langenbrunner to request if he’d waive his no-trade clause to go there.
A source said that Langenbrunner was only asked to waive it to go to two or three Western Conference teams. No teams in the East.
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by Rather Bengt on Jan 7, 2011 10:04 AM EST up reply actions
No talk at all about his value with the Caps? I’m a bit surprised.
Too expensive?
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by Gould Old Days on Jan 7, 2011 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
Could we have swapped him for Kanubley?
by DrinkingPartner on Jan 7, 2011 10:06 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t think the Devs would want Gramps. And we respect our elders here.
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by Rather Bengt on Jan 7, 2011 10:08 AM EST up reply actions
That we do, but he’s being plenty respected in going back to NJD for a player like Langenbrunner!
by DrinkingPartner on Jan 7, 2011 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
Hey, the important part is always that someone perceived as a nice piece isn’t traded to PIT or PHI.
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It’s will be alright. Really. I liked Brent as a capable backup. But I like having Varly and Neuvy more.
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by Rather Bengt on Jan 7, 2011 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
What struck me was that he seemed to be enjoying it so much in Pittsburgh. That’s why I never buy any of the garbage about players being loyal to teams. When he was in DC, he raved about how great it was here and then he goes to the Caps arch-rival and settles in just fine there. I’m not blaming him at all. It’s just funny that fans think players have this deep connection with the city they’re playing for when in reality the connection is with whoever is signing their pay check.
superstars do tho, when you play your whole career somewhere, Ripken, Ray Lewis, Jeter, hopefully Ovi….but if Im brent johnson, you are right, I love the team thats signing my check.
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I don’t get it.
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by Hang a Laingtern on Your Problems on Jan 7, 2011 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
Lots of players feel connections to cities they live in, but they aren’t going to make economic decisions that will affect the rest of their lives just based on whether or not they like where they currently live. I’d argue the same would be true for most people in all walks of life. If someone was going to offer me twice as much money to work in one city versus another, especially in a career with a short lifespan compared to most, I’m going to take the money and move.
Your examples are of guys on the high end of the pay scale who were going to get paid huge wads of cash no matter what.
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In fairness, they also have to fit in and get some chemistry with their new team to be effective players (and hopefully not get moved again quickly). Coincidentally, Avery was just quoted as saying something to that effect today/yesterday. The days are starting to blur.
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He loved it here because he got to party every night and Olie was his BFF.
I’m sure it’s not that hard to go over to Pittsburgh and enjoy playing there. MAF is a great guy and would be easy to tandem with. Way easier than battling with Theo and or the kids here.
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Watching the Pens-Habs game last night
Never heard of or noticed it before, but it’s now easy to figure out why the Penguins have a whole lotta love for Brent Johnson’s taste in music in the locker room.

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by patred48 on Jan 7, 2011 1:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Reminds me of a couple of Sean Burke’s old masks.
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by ThePeerless on Jan 7, 2011 1:40 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
No other entries please, we’ve got a winner.
"So if I drank a bottle of rum (not really, it was about 2/3 of a bottle) starting at 1p and continuing through the Caps game does that mean I need to do that every Caps game from here on?"
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And the dismantling of the Devils begins. They really should look at doing what the Caps did in 2003-04 and sell off all of their veteran players for draft picks and prospects. Unfortunately they have a 17 year boat anchor keeping the Good Ship Louiepop in place…
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jan 7, 2011 11:42 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
No one’s going to take the Rolston contract off their hands, especially since it’s a 35+ deal. Zubie is still owed 3.4 the next two years. They have 49 million committed for just 14 guys next year.
Of course, it’s not as bad as the Flyers having 56 million committed next year for 17 guys. Bye bye Ville Leino.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 7, 2011 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
They could unload Arnott and Parise (which would cause bloody insurrection within the fan base, but would be a good option, imo). Zajac and White would probably bring back picks.
Unfortunately, I think they’re stuck with Tallinder, Volch and Kovy.
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Tallinder is pretty much why Tyler Myers became Tyler Myers, no?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 7, 2011 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
Interesting take, and I will confess ignorance.
If that’s true, he might find some takers. $3.375M cap hit for the next 3 years after this, he’s 31…it seems a bit rich and a bit long for my taste.
I could be wrong.
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Depending on how what their internal budgets are, I bet Tampa and/or Atlanta would love to have him.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 7, 2011 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
if Zajac would only cost a pick/picks, pull the trigger George. Unfortunately, I think it would take a bit more than that.
Like f_d says, it depends on how hard Lou wants to tear down the team. Zajac is Mikko-Koivu-Lite, signed at a very reasonable contract. I have a hard time thinking of a better solution to 2C if Alex Semin is on the wing; Zajac doesn’t need the puck that much, he’s a defensive beast, and he’s a pretty good setup guy to boot.
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by Knee high to a duck on Jan 7, 2011 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
But like you said/implied, he’s young, good, and reasonably priced. Why on earth would he be moved?
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It depends on how bad they want to get. I don’t see the same upside to their terribleness that I would for the Pens and the Caps; didn’t they lose their 1st pick at some point because of the Kovalchuk end-run? If they’re going firesale, I can see a handsome return coming back for Zajac.
If Lou is shooting for competitive next season, then Zajac isn’t going anywhere.
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by Knee high to a duck on Jan 7, 2011 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
Scary thing is, I think Lou was shooting for competitive THIS season – and look what happened.
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You don’t sign Kovalchuk, Volchenkov, and Tallinder to long-term deals if you’re trying to win later. The question is whether or not those contracts are okay and that this was just a bad year, or whether those contracts are sunk costs and he needs to move the organization in another direction.
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by Knee high to a duck on Jan 7, 2011 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
I figure the Devils assumed the team would be in contention this year since they usually do win their division. Hence, the signing of all these guys to long term deals.
Generally, every year, writers always would assume the Devils would not be that great but then the Devils would still win their division. But now, all those who had long predicted the demise of the Devils were finally right.
But the question is, are the Devils a better team than what they’ve shown this year so far?
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They lose any one of their next 4 first round picks, their choice.
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So they’re basically in 1st place for the RNH/Couturier/Larsson sweepstakes? I could definitely see Lou jettisoning pieces if he thinks Brodeur is washed up.
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by Knee high to a duck on Jan 7, 2011 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
He should know that he is. I’m just not sure he can bring himself to do a fire sale. Do you try to trade Parise to another Lotto team and get two of the top 5 guys this year and jump start the rebuild?
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I really hate parting with a two-way guy like Parise. You know I rate him as the 2nd best wing in hockey, but if there’s a chance to get two of RNH/Couturier/Larsson/Landeskog/Murphy, I think I take a swing at it. Especially if I can get other assets back in return and figure out a way to dump one of the onerous deals on the books.
Lou has a chance to completely remake the team’s image and organizational philosophy with a trade like that. I’d probably take that shot, but it’s not my job and legacy on the line.
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by Knee high to a duck on Jan 7, 2011 3:17 PM EST up reply actions
Right. Ideally you don’t have to move Parise, but with Kovalchuk on that deal and the anchor contracts it’s real hard to keep him. Tough pill to swallow to downgrade from Kovy to Parise. But two of those top 5 prospects will have you rebuilt pretty quick. Figure they are in the NHL within two years and you have Tedenby and Josefsson coming up so that’s two good top lines if you can swing it.
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Yeah. Personally, I’m highest on RNH: plus hands, plus hockey sense, plus skating (his hands and hockey sense are supposed to be elite). Sounds like someone that’s going to anchor a top line for a long time.
Parise → Kovy is a pretty big step down in terms of overall quality, but Parise + Kovy + nothing is < Kovy + 2 of the above prospects, at least in two years. Couturier was playing with guys that were two years older than him and didn’t look physically overwhelmed. Maybe he was just an early bloomer, but that says Getzlaf-type athleticism to me.
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by Knee high to a duck on Jan 7, 2011 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
Well they have one of the top prospects anyway, so it’s Parise + Kovy + lotto pick v. Kovy + 2 lotto picks. They’d obviously rather keep Parise, but if you can’t get him in under the cap maybe the rapid rebuild is the way to go.
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And, on Parise, the question is - how well will he recover from his knee injury? Last I heard, they don’t want him trying to come back until at least March and by that time the season’s about shot anyhow. So that will make it harder to deal him and get a good return back.
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Zajac or Weiss if both were options for essentially similar return packages?
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I think Weiss is pretty underrated and I’m not sure Zajac without Parise is all that much better than Weiss, but I haven’t looked too deeply into it. They are both similar players on similar contracts. Zajac may be a little better, and is a little more expensive.
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Weiss’d be pretty great on this team, I think.
by DrinkingPartner on Jan 7, 2011 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
Gut says Zajac. Younger, more offensive upside, can get better. Weiss is probably about at his peak.
That said, Zajac has had Parise with him helping him out at both ends of the ice, can’t discount that. Weiss has been getting it done mostly by himself down in FLA.
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by Knee high to a duck on Jan 7, 2011 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
I’d take Zajac because I think he’s ideally suited the the #2C role in the Eastern Conference. Big body, capable of going up against the likes of Malkin/Staal/Crosby/etc.
Of course, this is all a pipe dream. If we end up with one of NJ’s centers, it’s going to be Arnott.
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Sad, but true.
Pick ’em: who finishes the season with more concussions? Crosby or Arnott?
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by Knee high to a duck on Jan 7, 2011 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
From Bob McK
I am hearing NJD are getting a third-round pick for Langenbrunner from DAL, but there may be some conditional elements to it as well.
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Pierre LeBrun confirms it’s a 3rd rounder via Twitter.
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by Rather Bengt on Jan 7, 2011 10:19 AM EST up reply actions
Seems like Lamoriello just didn’t want to trade within the East and, this is clearly a cap move for later. Can’t be anything else. Price seems too low, no?
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Yeah, and Langenbrunner’s problems with Lemaire are well-known. Why deal with the headache?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 7, 2011 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
I think that’s a good reading. Cap move definitely plays into it. Reading Defending Big D yesterday, the consenus there was they thought they would give up Fabian Brunnstrom and a 2nd or 3rd rounder. Jamie’s contentious issues with Lemaire likely had an impact also.
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by Rather Bengt on Jan 7, 2011 10:27 AM EST up reply actions
Tee hee….remember when everyone was jockeying to try to get Fabian Brunnstrom?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 7, 2011 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
Kid scored a hat trick in his first NHL game. And then, yeah…..
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by Rather Bengt on Jan 7, 2011 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
He’s almost the NHL’s version of Timmy Smith.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 7, 2011 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
lol Very apt comparison.
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by Rather Bengt on Jan 7, 2011 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
If you google Brunnstrom, one of the first things that pops up is a THN article from November 2007 by Ken Campbell with the headline Fabian Brunnstrom, the next Daniel Alfredsson?. Kiss of death.
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by Rather Bengt on Jan 7, 2011 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
They have to name Parise captain after they re-sign him, right? Seems like a no-brainer.
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by Chris Burton on Jan 7, 2011 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
Seems like the most logical choice.
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by Rather Bengt on Jan 7, 2011 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
If they can re-sign him.
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by Langway's Legacy on Jan 7, 2011 10:56 AM EST reply actions
Hershey Bears smakedown! With a big ol’ helping of fucking bitter porcupine.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 7, 2011 11:02 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Man, that article is a pistol.
The Bears, one of the most storied and successful franchises in pro hockey, who will be in Winnipeg for a pair of games today and Saturday with the Manitoba Moose, have been featuring the logos of recent victims on a set of jerseys in a move right out of Wilt Chamberlain’s book.
Wilt the Stilt was as famous for announcing to the world he’d been ‘friendly’ with more than 20,000 women in his life as he was for his hall of fame basketball career.
The Bears can now be known for similar ‘notch on the bedpost’ bragging.
This could be the most stretched out metaphor in the history of metaphors.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 7, 2011 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
I figure the guy is probably just trying to fire up the home crowd, but Walton went nuts on twitter about it.
"It's always good to have vikings."
And as he pointed out, they were auctioned for charity. The Bears raise a ton of money by constantly auctioning off special jerseys; do other teams do that as much?
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The Moose are doing it three times this year themselves
Three times this season the Moose will wear special third jerseys. Following each game, these jerseys will then be auctioned off on eBay and on MTS Centre’s concourse. The first game will be on Heritage Night (Nov. 12) when the Moose will wear a special third jersey honouring the American Hockey League’s 75th season as well as celebrating the 15th anniversary of the Manitoba Moose. The next game featuring the special themed jerseys will be on Hockey Night in Manitoba when the team will wear jerseys patterned after the Gateway Flyers who won the 2009-10 Manitoba Moose Community Jersey program (Feb. 13). Finally, on Military Appreciation Night, the Moose will honour the Canadian Forces by wearing special Military Themed jerseys (March 18).
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 7, 2011 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
He lost me when he used the phrase “sweated to build”.
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by Rather Bengt on Jan 7, 2011 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
Have to admit, Walton didn’t exactly endear himself to the locals when he tweeted this yesterday:
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by Rather Bengt on Jan 7, 2011 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
It looks like America threw up on Krygier’s shirt.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 7, 2011 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
Fair trade… lots of Caps fans would throw up their hands when Krygier would shoot the puck from the between the circles and hit the glass and/or boards hard enough to clear the puck. His nickname among the message boards back then was “HoL” meaning Hands of Lead…
His game was very similar to Chimera’s (great skating speed, some smarts, hands as soft as bricks flying through the air) although Chimera is faster and smarter, and usually angrier when he plays. Krygier was the poor-man’s Jason Chimera…
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jan 7, 2011 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
My two favourite Krygier moments:
1/ The marathon Pens game in the 96 playoffs where he pestered Mario enough for Lemieux to come and instigate a fight with him and have Lemieux get thrown out of the game. It kinda backfired as Mario was well rested against a dog tired Caps team next game, but at the time it was like “WTF is happening????” (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-nXqkc8ZbY)
2/ The OT goal in Game 2 of the 2998 ECF vs BUF where HoL one timed a pass from Andrei Nikolishin past Hasek. There is always debate whether that actual play should have been called icing. Unfortunately I can’t find any online footage of it.
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by Rather Bengt on Jan 7, 2011 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
1998 durrrr
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by Rather Bengt on Jan 7, 2011 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
About the cortisone shot and Ovi’s (assumed) wrist issues, can someone with more knowledge of wrist shot mechanics than me have a look at the ESPN commercial behind the scenes (from the clips earlier this week) where Ovi’s sniping Russian nesting dolls and say if you feel his shot is off? I was very impressed with that display but understand that this is not an on-ice game situation and that distance and angle to the goal may play a big part.
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That was also filmed in September or thereabouts, pre-injury.
by DrinkingPartner on Jan 7, 2011 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
Actually recall that Varly and Ovie missed the season ticket holder party at Six Flags to film the commercial. That party was Oct 18 I believe. I don’t recall which game it was that Ovie was slashed in, but the Caps played the Predators on Sept 25, Oct 3, and Oct 16.
The day of the Six Flags party.
AO got hurt the day after CapsCon.
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I stand corrected. That said, doesn’t seem like much of an injury then, does it?
by DrinkingPartner on Jan 7, 2011 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
It does. I mentioned in one or two Clips threads early in the year that Ovi seemed to be off and the wrist appeared to be the culprit. I beleive others chimed in as well with similar thoughts at the time. A wrist injury can have an effect on both the speed of shots/passes and the trajectory. Just because he can use the wrist doesn’t mean he’s using it effectively.
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Exactly. Plus in that video he’s not shooting to beat a goalie and he’s not shooting fast – he’s shooting for accuracy, and he doesn’t have to rip the puck that hard for that. If he ever had that much time and space on the ice to shoot I’m sure he’d be able to do that in a game, too, wrist injury or no.
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He was shooting hard, though. And he wasn’t missing. Accomplishing that on an injured wrist is extremely difficult, no matter the circumstances.
by DrinkingPartner on Jan 7, 2011 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
True. My guess is it wasn’t THAT hurt initially but he got slashed a bunch of times over the first month and a half of the season, if I’m remembering right…sounds like it was just a little sore and got aggravated over time, although obviously I have no idea.
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All of that makes sense. His shots looked really hard and accurate in that video (to me) but it’s not a good comparison to a game situation. I think the fact that he only had to shoot a dozen times that day and the relatively short distance from the goal are big factors. Just wondering if I was missing something else. Thanks!
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I posted this in another thread today, but hurting the left wrist will impact his accuracy much more than his power.
That said, he wasn’t shooting from that far away in that ESPN clip. Most NHLers would be pretty good from that distance.
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The timing of the cortisone shot is interesting. I know they like to space out cortisone shots 3 or 4 months apart. Speculating here, but if he got a shot at the beginning of Oct (after the Nashville slash), it’s exactly 3 months since then. Recall that he scored 10 of his 14 goals in Oct/early Nov. After that he slumped off, which would tie to the shot was wearing off.
And this schedule would have him getting another shot in early April, right before the playoffs.
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So I know this is a crazyyyyyy idea but is there any possibility that the Caps decide to actually let him heal from this? GMGM might have to intervene.
This is all assuming, of course, that the injury can improve with team and doesn’t require surgery and a 6 month absence to really get better from.
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Since the shot was in Ovie’s left (top) wrist, it would likely affect him more on wrist and snap shots than it would on slapshots.
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Agreed. Looked like all wristers in the video. But again, it wasn’t many shots, he’s fairly close (and straight on) to the goal and he has all the time he wants to line them up.
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by PensAreYourDaddy on Jan 7, 2011 11:39 AM EST up reply actions 6 recs
Hey… cheap shot. A good sized hand truck could move Marty.
Now if it were Kyle Wellwood, who’s on his way back from the KHL…different story.
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jan 7, 2011 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
I saw on Twitter that Lou also said that his priority was re-signing Parise. Smart move, he’s the best player on that team by a mile and I’d rate him as the #2 wing in the NHL (assuming that this season isn’t the new normal for Ovechkin). Other than that, I’d love to see what the Devils want for Tedenby, Josefsen, or Zajac.
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by Knee high to a duck on Jan 7, 2011 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
But he also said that Brodeur was the only untouchable right now, or something like that (obviously Kovalchuk is from a reality standpoint). There is almost no limit to what I would trade for Parise.
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by Chris Burton on Jan 7, 2011 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
Rolston might as well be untouchable.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 7, 2011 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
His contract is radioactive.
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by Carl Putnam on Jan 7, 2011 12:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Didn’t even have to look.
"So if I drank a bottle of rum (not really, it was about 2/3 of a bottle) starting at 1p and continuing through the Caps game does that mean I need to do that every Caps game from here on?"
"I would, but I’d also get yourself onto the organ transfer list as well just in case."
by Bald Pollack on Jan 7, 2011 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
Depends on if they’re going for a modified, limited rebuild, or the complete teardown.
If the latter, then Parise is their best bargaining chip, and they should move him for a slew of assets. In this case, I’d also keep the young guys like Tedenby, etc.
Zajac would be nice to have, but I doubt he’ll deal within the EC.
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You know who’s great for a rebuilding team? Tom Poti and his contract.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 7, 2011 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
I really hope Lou doesn’t actually consider Brodeur to be the only untouchable on the team. If so he’s truly lost it.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 7, 2011 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
Some Nicky quotes from the Swedish media
About the 24/7 experience and Matt Cooke
I think they did a good job portraying how it is out there some people are talkers and some are not. That’s the way we talk on the ice, some people talk more then others but it’s nothing to get worked up about. Cook is that type of player that thinks that no one should be allowed to touch him, I don’t even think I did anything.
Being under the spotlight 24/7
In the beginning it felt strange to have cameras in your face all the time but I got used to it. I mean I even sang Hej Tomtegubbar in front of the cameras, normally I don’t even have the guts to sing in front of my friends.
About the interactions with the referees and being able to curse at them without consequences
It’s like night and day when you compare it to Sweden. If you curse at the referees over here they just curse back at you instead of blowing the whistle. I like it better this way, not so much yapping. When they curse back at you, you know it’s time to shut up.
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About the Winter Classic
I got goosebumps coming out on the ice in front of all those people. It was just an amazing feeling. It was to bad that it starting to rain in third period but it was a fun game to play and we got two very important points out of it so it was a good game.
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by Malin A on Jan 7, 2011 12:16 PM EST reply actions 12 recs
Cook is that type of player that thinks that no one should be allowed to touch him, I don’t even think I did anything.
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It’s not entirely related, but I don’t know that there is anyone in the league better at using his stick within the rules to separate an opponent from the puck. Watch him along the wall when the other guy has the puck. Backstrom is an artist.
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000
Straight cash, homey

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Happy Birthday Randy Burridge
At 5’9 and 180 lbs, Randy “Stump” Burridge had a productive NHL career in the late 80s and the 90s based on a strong work ethic and relentless forechecking. He played juniors for the OHL Peterborough Petes and scored 106 points in 66 games in 1984-1985. The Bruins drafted him in the 8th round of the 1985 draft. The following season, the B’s called him up and he racked up 42 points in 52 games and an impressive +17.
With the Bruins, Burridge benefitted playing at Boston Garden where the tight corners maximized his effective forechecking skills. He was used on both the PP and PK and reached the 30 goal plateau in 1988-1989 (31 golas and 61 points). Burridge also had successful playoff campaigns in 1988 and 1990 when the Bruins reached the Cup Finals scoring 12 and 15 points respectively.
The Caps obtained Burridge in June 1991 for role player Stephen Leach. He paid immediate dividents as he scored 67 points (23g 44a) in 66 games for his new team and made the All Star game for the only time in his career. Unfortunately a late season separated shoulder ended his season. In training camp the following season, he had a knee injury and missed almost all of the 1992-1993 campaign. He came back to score 42 points (25g 17a) in 78 games the next season. It was Stump’s last full season with the Caps, as after 2 games into the 93-94 campaign he was sent traded to the Kings for Warren Rychel (who the Caps immediately flipped to TOR for a 4th rounder (future backup goalie Sebastien Charpentier). After the Kings, he went on to play a couple seasons with Buffalo where he seemed to regain his scoring touch and was respected for his leadership before finishing his career in the AHL and Germany.
There aren’t many youtube clips of Burridge scoring any memorable goals. But there is a humorous fight video from 1988 where the Bruins and Caps are having a brawl and the 5’9 Burridge playing for the B’s pairs up with 6’2 Caps D-man Scott Stevens (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gE-5TYeHx9w).
Happy 45th Stump!

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by Rather Bengt on Jan 7, 2011 12:51 PM EST reply actions 8 recs
Scored a goal with his nose once, which was awesome.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 7, 2011 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
SkyKerstein Sky Kerstein
Caps Boudreau says Neuvirth is getting better, not 100 percent yet
So Neuvy has had some kind of lingering injury related to that tweak he had recently?
Neuvy’s not used to getting hit in the face, is all.
by DrinkingPartner on Jan 7, 2011 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
I thought he was detested?
It was pretty funny when Knuble? said “Fuck you, Neuvy” jokingly during the practice.
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by Alz Well That Ends Well on Jan 7, 2011 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
probably not wanting to risk having him take a puck to the mask if he has stitches in his face. No reason to risk opening the cut up again when they have all this time off between games.
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Waiver Wire Update from Bob McK
Valabik (ATL) clears re-entry waivers. Commodore (CBJ) clears waivers
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Hmm. So Crosby didn’t get Valabik on the way back this time?
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by Scott in Shaw on Jan 7, 2011 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
Urk.
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Perreault’s nose doesn’t hurt as much but it’s, um, loose. He demonstrated when talking to reporters – imagine how a bobble-head doll moves.
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ACK. Hope he doesn’t sneeze.
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…yeah, definitely just had a mental image of him sneezing and his nose flying across the room, smacking Schultz in the face.
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by DrinkingPartner on Jan 7, 2011 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
He has some to spare.
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I just don’t see how playing with a “loose” nose is beneficial to anyone, leastaways Matty.
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new lines?
Semin-Backstrom-Knuble
Laich-Johansson-Ovechkin
Chimera-Beagle-Fehr
Hendricks-Steckel-King or Hendricks-Perreault-Steckel
Suddenly our offense looks punchless.
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Crazy. MP deserves a demotion, but I’m not sure Beagle deserves a promotion. AO deserves a demotion, but I’m not sure Semin deserves a promotion. How about:
Laich/Baxter/Knuble (I know, I don’t like Laich and Knuble together either)
Chimera/Mackan/Fehr
AO/MP/AS
Grinders
I could swap Fehr and Knuble, but that Chimera/Mackan/Fehr line has been too good lately.
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Every time AO gets moved around it’s like it becomes the new 1st line though.
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Right, but then what’s the point of moving him? Is it a demotion of Baxter? Promotion of Mackan? Spreading the wealth (more like fertilizing the field nowadays)?
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From CI:
“Ovechkin and Nicky are both in slumps so I’m trying to get them away from each other,” Boudreau said. “I think Marcus [Johansson] is playing pretty well, so maybe that will work. We’ve got a pretty good record but in the end your best players have got to be your best players,” Boudreau said. “We’d like to get [all the primary scorers] back on track, so you try different things to get them on track. Like a parent scolding their child. Sometimes you pat them on the back and say everything’s alright, sometimes you kick them in the butt. Sometimes you take away ice time, you give ice time, you give responsibility, you take away responsibility until you find out whatever works. It’s our job to find that Achilles’ heel.”
After practice, Mathieu Perreault said that he doesn’t expect to face the Panthers on Saturday after undergoing surgery on his broken nose Wednesday. The procedure made it a little easier to breathe, although the center said he’s still having some difficulty taking a breath.
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1) If Ovi is on the line THEN First Line
2) If Semin is on the line THEN
IF OVI not on line THEN Second Line (unless Semin is in BB’s doghouse or Ovi’s injured)
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 7, 2011 2:15 PM EST reply actions
Showed my teeth at this comment:
I remember the day I was selected first overall by the Quebec Nordiques. This was around the time when I got drafted by the Quebec Nordiques. The one thing Sid has to remember, like I did, and if he does that, he’ll be OK.
Sincerely,
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"So if I drank a bottle of rum (not really, it was about 2/3 of a bottle) starting at 1p and continuing through the Caps game does that mean I need to do that every Caps game from here on?"
"I would, but I’d also get yourself onto the organ transfer list as well just in case."
I’m more amazed someone at Yahoo! actually said something clever. In the comments.
The world is truly on it’s ass.
/looks for more dead birds
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 7, 2011 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
gtfoh…we are screwed, and its no where in the news…but hey Johnny weir came out of the closet…the world is stunned.
Get your asses out of your heads -BB
and NBC would also like to announce the ice is wet.
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YLM:
hey, if people besides me and Mick jagger know the lyrics to “Evening Gown”, anything can happen.
....when the truth is if they knew anything about the game, they'd be in it.
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I’m more of a fan of Alejandro Escevedo’s version
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 7, 2011 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
I usually try to ignore the comments, but I looked after I read this above. Someone linked to youtube for the Hedman hit. He went into the glass head first. He might have been dinged by Steckel, but Hedman’s hit did him in.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wOpG8lqnIs
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Hedman get a penalty for that?! Crosby’s a dirty little punk who I rarely feel sorry for, but Hedam got him in the numbers and left his feet.
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yep, 2 minutes.
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by PensAreYourDaddy on Jan 7, 2011 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
I might have my homer visors on (and considering his hit Saturday this would certainly exasperate things), but it wasn’t Koci on Green, IMHO.
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"I would, but I’d also get yourself onto the organ transfer list as well just in case."
I’ll agree that Koci on Green was worse, certainly looked way worse. But Hedman wasn’t exactly a boy scout there.
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Hedman should get suspended for that.
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Don’t disagree but based on how the game is called it’ll never happen. They let that hit go all the time and will crack down when someone finally breaks a neck. It’s a shame.
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I guess it also depends on Hedman’s record – I don’t think he’s been suspended before. He should get fined at least. That was an extremely dirty hit, and I expect Pittsburgh to go after him for it whenever they next play Tampa. The NHL should look at that hit for a new rule – it causes concussions nearly every time.
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I disagree that it causes concussions nearly every time. In fact, it almost never actually hurts anyone which is why the NHL doesn’t do anything. That hit happens almost every single game at this point. Unless there are a ton of unreported concussions there are lots of players getting lucky that they aren’t seriously hurt.
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it was inevitable. That collision was nasty, he looked “off” the rest of the game, the HBO footage of him in the locker room certainly didn’t show a player who looked ok. Everyone is going to play armchair neurologist.
for some reason, I keep coming back to the fact that no one seemed all that concerned in the immediate aftermath of the hit. One would hope that he saw the team doc, but the way the entire thing seemed brushed off….I dunno.
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And Sid was down for a while after the hit and almost had to crawl back to the bench. Wouldn’t that be a sign that the doctors should check him out? A cynic could say the team was so used to his diving that they assumed that’s what was going on, but that looked nothing like a dive. You’d think the team would have their golden child examined immediately.
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When I first saw how long he stayed down, my first thought was that he was embellishing to try to draw a call. Like it or Lump it, Sid’s earned that reputation.
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And he did the head snap to embellish the Green call. It’s not like he’s completely shed that behavior. (And he’s definitely not alone in that group. It’s not an anti-Sid thing. It’s an anti-Sid/Staal thing.)
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you’d think. But I’d also think if any player, particularly your star play, is laid out on the ice for 20 seconds, you’d send the trainer out to get him. And they didn’t. It just screamed of “There goes Sid being dramatic again.”
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What if he was just hungry like the wolf?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 7, 2011 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
DGB just tweeted this link. Funny because Wilson reminds me of Homey the Clown at times.
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Per Kati, Boyd Gordon skated prior to practice today.
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tried to hit “cancel” but hit “post.” damn.
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Ice alert for tomorrow
Did not know this until now (and as a Hoya grad I should be ashamed), but Georgetown is playing at Verizon tomorrow morning. The good news is the game is at 11:00 am, not noon. But, still. . . . .
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Rick Dudley is high
Says Dustin Byfuglien has the “shot of Shea Weber and [get this] the vision of Nick Lidstrom.”
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whatever Rick Dudley is smoking, I want some. That’s some potent stuff.
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Buy the shot, sell the vision.
What he’s got on both is physical intimidation and a concomitant ability to use his large frame to guard the puck. Defensively, however, he’s got a long way to go before he matches those two.
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I would buy the shot to some extent, I don’t think its as fast as Weber’s, but it’s more accurate, which is more useful. The Lidstrom comment is just completely absurd, though, nobody in the league comes close to that.
Disagree with you, D’oh, on the physical intimidation part. Byfuglien’s huge, and strong, but not so much as to where you’d call it an advantage on Weber. Probably not even on Lidstrom, simply because Lids uses his smarts in such a way he doesn’t need those particular tools to be elite.
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Lids uses his smarts in such a way he doesn’t need those particular tools to be elite.
Lidstrom is great, and he does use his smarts in such a way that he overcomes his relative lack of physicality, but that doesn’t mean that he doesn’t lack that aspect, nor does it mean that physicality is unimportant. There is a reason, beyond simple age, that Babcock has instructed Stuart and Ericsson to go into the corners in lieu of Lidstrom and Rafalski. Guys like Byfuglien, Pronger and Weber don’t have that problem.
Moreover, while I know it has become de rigueur to minimize the importance of physical play post-lockout, the fact remains that it’s still important. Players, even NHL players, do get intimidated by size and brutality. Physics is still a bitch. I’m not saying GMs should go out and draft Dylan McIlrath over Cam Fowler, but it’s still an aspect of the game and one which I’d want to have more of on my team if I were a GM.
On Weber vs. Byfuglien: Weber’s big, Buff is HUGE. The difference is at least an inch in height and 30lbs if you go by Buff’s “official” weight, which most believe is about 20lbs too low. Byfuglien is absolutely massive.
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Alzner’s physicality in the last month has been tremendous. It’s part of what has him playing so well right now. It’s not about beating the shit out of someone. It’s about using your body to deny them the space they want to occupy.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Jan 7, 2011 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
And Lidstrom has done that throughout the course of his career as well. What D’oh is talking about is making forwards flat out scared to go to the corner with you. Neither Alzner nor Lidstrom will do that. Buff and Weber can.
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In Weber’s case, forwards are flat out scared to venture into the crease.
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Buff is one of the few dmen I’ve seen deck Ovie in a head-to-head collision. The guy is built like a wall. In the same kind of collision when Ovie knocked Chara over, Buff didn’t even move.
There is no problem a hammer cannot either fix or make irrelevant.
Did he say he has the skating of Bobby Orr too?
Release the Mackan!
by Killer_Carlson on Jan 7, 2011 5:03 PM EST up reply actions
At this pace, he could finish with 27 goals and 55 assists, the most points by a blueliner since 1955.
It is hilarious how wrong that statement is.
The guy is Peter Schumpmaker. Lord knows what a schump is, but you can bet your bippy his ancestors made them. What he's doing is far worse than crafting fine schumps.
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Future Theo Sighting
From Michael Russo:
Jose Theodore will start for the Wild tomorrow versus the Penguins. The Wild may have to recall a goalie, as there are concerns if Backstrom can start on Sunday
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I’ll be decked out in my Theo shirt and silly Minnesota Wild hat, cheering him on.
and thanks for reminding me that I’ve a bit behind on reading Russo! off to catch up on that.
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also: Theo? Penguin Killa. “18-4-3 with a 2.41 GAA, a .914 SV% and one shutout in 25 starts lifetime against the Pens.” And Crosby is out of the line-up. I really like Minnesota’s chances here. They’re finally clicking, Theo’s found his groove, and Russo says the team is really confident with him behind them.
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2012 WJC Info
GROUPS AND HOST CITIES SET FOR 2012 IIHF WORLD JUNIOR CHAMPIONSHIP IN ALBERTA
Hockey Canada and the 2012 IIHF World Junior Championship host committee have announced the groups and their host cities for the preliminary round. All playoff, relegation and medal games will take place in Calgary.
The final game schedule will be set over the coming months and announced once it has been approved by the IIHF and the participating countries.
The 2012 IIHF World Junior Championship will run from December 26, 2011 to January 5, 2012 in Alberta
GROUP A
Calgary, Alta.
1 – Russia
4 – Sweden
5 – Switzerland
8 – Slovakia
9 – Latvia
GROUP B
Edmonton, Alta.
2 – Canada
3 – United States
6 – Finland
7 – Czech Republic
10 – Denmark
From http://www.hockeycanada.ca/index.php/ci_id/157135/la_id/1/
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groups are a hair more balanced this time! Will be mighty interesting to see if the Swiss can continue to build and maybe knock off one of the big boys in round robin.
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I wish the Danes were stronger at hockey. I like Denmark.
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C’mon, they do have Peter Regin. (and Lars Eller and Jannik Hansen)
While it may have something to do with my Danish heritage, I really do like Regin’s game. Not a ton of points this year, but he skates hard all the time, and was one of Ottawa’s best players in the series against the Pens. If it were possible to pry him away from Ottawa, I’d like to see him on the Caps. Won’t happen because he’s on a reasonable contract, and Ottawa probably wouldn’t part him. And he probably isn’t the solution at 2C, though I suppose you could do worse. Also, I’m pretty clueless about talent evaluation and trades, at least compared to others here.
But yeah, Danish hockey. Weird the Swedes are so good, and the Danes aren’t so much. They don’t have mountains to siphon all the winter sports talent to skiing, so you’d think they produce more hockey players.
Funny you didn’t name my favourite Danish player in the NHL: Frans Nielsen of NYI.
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yeah, don’t watch the Islanders much. Forgot about him. But looking at his stats, he appears to be the most accomplished of the ones currently in terms of career points. It seems there’s a good group that have come into the league in the last couple of years. http://www.hockey-reference.com/friv/birthplaces.cgi?country=DK&state=&province=
Before that (and I didn’t know this until looking it up a minute), there was pretty much this guy named Poul Popiel.
I’m glad USA and Canada are in the same group again. That tough game against Canada last year really got the US to find it’s game and they didn’t have anything like that this year. Of course, this year’s team also wasn’t as good as last year’s team. The US is going to return quite a few players next year, including presumably Campbell. They should be even better next year than this year.
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good to know the USA will have some many experienced members next year.
I do wonder what Canada will do. Losing in OT in 2010 gave us the “15 FIRST ROUND PICKS BUT THEY”RE BLUE COLLAR LUNCH PAIL PLAYERS!!!!!" storyline. Can’t imagine what the TSN storyline will be in 2012.
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I talked to Hooks Orpik a bit about the USA team and there’s a few take aways. The first is that the Pens’ first round pick, Bennet, has an unfortunate birthday. USA Hockey wanted to put together a team that would have lots of returning players next year. Bennet would only have been eligible to play this year and not next year, so USA didn’t even invite him to give him a look. Personally, I think that if Bennet was good enough to be an impact player this year they would have brought him on the team anyway. Sucks for him, but I guess he would have been a fringe player on this team like Etem ended up being.
Next, following that point, is that you should expect all the USA players that can return to return. That’s a lot of spots automatically locked up. It’s not going to be a pure competition for that team (not that anyone should have expected it to be; it’s pretty normal to keep all incumbents unless they totally sucked).
Finally, from a different conversation I heard that Adam Clendening (draft eligible in 2011, BU) was cut from Team USA because USA Hockey “heard” that he was going to jump from BU to the CHL. It seems that the USA bias against the CHL is still alive and kicking, despite the success of last year’s CHL-heavy (comparatively) team. (But hey… it did work for Russia.) That stuff really pisses me off, USA doesn’t have enough hockey depth to play politics like that, but I don’t honestly see an end to it anytime soon.
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Laichitor: "He has AIDS?"
Why? Over who? What does he bring that someone else wouldn’t have?
Drunk Guy: "Alex Ovechkin is playing more like Magic Johnson than Michael Jordan this year."
Laichitor: "He has AIDS?"
Over Etem. Big guy, quick on his feet, really, really solid two way player (of course he is, Poile drafted him). Best shot blocking forward to come out of the OHL in forever.
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Nah. Etem was solid. Especially later in the tournament his speed was a real asset. He was the only guy that was able to give the Canadian D any problems and he was all over the Swedes. I also get the impression that he’s a better scorer and he’s a lock for the team next year.
Drunk Guy: "Alex Ovechkin is playing more like Magic Johnson than Michael Jordan this year."
Laichitor: "He has AIDS?"
damn stupid if people are being left off because someone “heard” from someone else….no way to run a national sporting body. But I’m, sadly, a little too familiar with sports bodies playing politics even when it’s not in their best interest.
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I don’t know how true the Clendening thing is, but I guess time will tell. I imagine that if he leaves it’ll be next year, quite a spiteful move if true. The USA D were all drafted already so I tend to think his youth may have had something to do with it. Maybe he was cut too soon, or something like that, but I don’t like the persisting rumors about the USA politics.
Drunk Guy: "Alex Ovechkin is playing more like Magic Johnson than Michael Jordan this year."
Laichitor: "He has AIDS?"
Re: Ed Frankovic's Grades
Here’s the comment I left on his site, reposted here for The Rink’s thoughts. Lots of this will sound familiar to the regulars:
I don’t think you can give Alzner and Carlson different grades. Both had early struggles, Carlson was brutal in front of his own net to start the season. Carlson has better numbers, but both of them took off when they got put together. They do seem to be more than the sum of their parts. I also think I consider trajectory a little more than you do; if you consider acing the midterm as important then Alzner has to get an A. His work individually against Crosby, MSL, and Stamkos has been outstanding of late. Obviously the pair has been very good, but Alzner has been a huge part of that, he’s definitely not being carried by Carlson. I’d have them both in the A category.
I would have Hendricks with a higher grade than Bradley. His -5 hurts, but he’s been the better player so far. Despite how popular Bradley is, Hendricks is making him look expendable. Younger, cheaper, more intensity, and maybe a little more offensive skill. Given that you are basing some of this on expectations, I’d say Hendricks has to be higher. How much could anyone really have expected of him?
Back to the trajectory thing, I’d give Johansson a higher grade. He hasn’t been spectacular, but he’s consistently improving and I’d love to see where he’d be at if he wasn’t injured right when he was starting to string together some good games. He definitely is showing rookie weaknesses, but even when he’s not scoring he’s been reliable in the defensive zone. His hockey sense is very good, and his skating is superb. Those two things alone are keeping him afloat right now. I also think his numbers could look quite a bit better if his linemates could finish a little better. It’s downright cruel to give him the same grade as Fahey and Sloan, both of those guys would be D category for me and I’d probably upgrade Mackan to a C just because he is steadily improving. I don’t think he’ll be a real impact player for us at any point this year, but I think the experience will really help him. I also think he has solid 2C upside, not just 3C. He could be a great 3C or a solid 2C until the time Kuznetsov takes the 2C mantle (If he ever pans out to be that good, I’m still not entirely sold on him. I would have liked to see more consistency from him in the WJC, the game doesn’t start in the third period.).
I’d probably give GMGM a higher grade than BB, but it’s hard to evaluate without having inside information. You could argue that GMGM should have addressed the 2C issue in the off-season, I’m just not sure who he could have gotten that would have made sense. I think/hope he’s banking cap space so he can make a move later in the season as teams drop out of the hunt and make centers available. We undoubtedly need an upgrade there. MP/Johansson will not cut it in the post-season. I give BB credit for improving the team’s defense, but I put the PP woes almost entirely on BB, Ovechkin, and Green. Until Ovechkin gets moved off the point I don’t see the PP rebounding too much. It’s become too stagnant and predictable.
Poti’s OT pass to Schultz against TBL is enough to give him a D alone. His extension is probably the biggest complaint I have with GMGM so far. There was no reason to do that. Was there really much of a chance that Poti, with the injury history you noted, was going to play so well that he’d end up being more expensive than he currently is? I don’t think so. He could have negotiated and sat on that extension for most of the year. You have to think that if Poti wanted an extension he’d have less leverage now with the injuries to his head and groin (both of the notoriously recurring variety). He’s already been pushed to the bottom pair, and I can’t imagine that will change in the next two years as our young 4 continue to improve.
Finally, I’d stay away from a veteran goalie. The cost will be high and I think the need is low. Varlamov has been pretty good in the playoffs, and even if he gets hurt I trust Neuvirth. Neuvirth has won his league championship 3 of the last 4 years and his post-season numbers have been as good or better than his regular season numbers 4 straight years. Bringing in a veteran would send him back to Hershey, slowing his growth as well as Holtby’s growth. There’s no such thing as a sure thing in the playoffs as far as goalies go, and the two we have definitely have the talent to give us the goaltending we need, so I’d stand pat there and focus on upgrading our 2C and depth players.
Drunk Guy: "Alex Ovechkin is playing more like Magic Johnson than Michael Jordan this year."
Laichitor: "He has AIDS?"
by Rob Parker on Jan 7, 2011 6:23 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I agree that we don’t need a veteran goalie. All it would do is impede the development of Varly and/or Neuvirth. Neuvy’s ready for NHL duty — no problem.
While I don’t agree with all Ed Frankovic’s individual grades, it does make sense that most of the guys should get low (or mediocre) grades for the first half.
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I thank all of you, as always, for reading. I love hearing your comments. I am in the “No Veteran Goalie” camp too but having worked for the team for 10+ years, those type of conversations will take place so I wanted to point that out.
If we all graded this team, we no doubt would all have different marks. So feel free to post what you think. That is great thing about this site, we can all see everyone’s comments!
Do you have any insight into what’s causing AO to slump? Do you think it’s just a slump? Have teams really just figured him out that quickly? Is it injury caused? Or do you buy into the Jim Rutherford line about him saving himself for the playoffs?
Also, where do you stand on Neuvirth v. Varlamov long term? I think Neuvirth is the better long term candidate because of his style, relative health compared to Varlamov, and the playoff numbers he’s put up in the OHL/AHL.
Drunk Guy: "Alex Ovechkin is playing more like Magic Johnson than Michael Jordan this year."
Laichitor: "He has AIDS?"
This is gonna sound funny, but I think Ovi should get his eyes checked. He’s so close, so often…just off the post, just over the net, the teeniest bit wide. Maybe he needs contacts.
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Judging by how close he sits to the TV at home that might not be a bad idea.
The guy is Peter Schumpmaker. Lord knows what a schump is, but you can bet your bippy his ancestors made them. What he's doing is far worse than crafting fine schumps.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Jan 8, 2011 12:03 AM EST up reply actions
Good point!
While I think that his main problem is his wrist, maybe his eyes have gotten worse. I wonder how many of our guys are nearsighted, given that they spent most of their young lives inside the walls of hockey rinks. I’ve wondered if the greater propensity for nearsightedness in the last few generations has been caused by being indoors so often. Guess if you’re not outside enough to see far away, you lose the capability
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F&B and Emily, I have no insight into the slump. My theory all along has been he’s saving himself for the post season but this injury thing seems to be a factor. I also don’t discount eye sight but I do think they get checked regularly. Not sure who team eye doctor is now but it used to be Mike Herr, a good friend of mine (we did Caps stats together for 11 years). I like Varly short term, but long term you could have a valid point. Olie Kolzig did say on the NHL Network last weekend that Varly’s style makes it tough on his groins.
Always a pleasure to have you stop by, Ed. I’ll say this – as long as the top guns are being slumpy-slumpy, I’m delighted to see Bruce mix up the lines a bit. Need something fresh, for sure.
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My pleasure Emily. I stop by every day to see what you great hockey fans have to say. I hope the line shuffle works, but I am more in the camp of at least 1 external move needs to be made to improve the top 6. It will be interesting to watch the events up to the trade deadline. Be well and chat with you soon!
The Ovi to RW worked great last time. I was surprised they abandoned it after only 2 games. But it’s understandable that they don’t intend for Ovi to remain as RW forever when he’s a natural LW.
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