Thursday Caps Clips: How 'Bout the Offense?
by J.P. on Jan 6, 2011 6:38 AM EST
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- The (latest) scoring slump has Bruce Boudreau befuddled (and the rest of us wondering how long he'll keep his troops committed to a less-aggressive style of play). [CI]
- Here's one thought: move the best scorer on the team closer to the net on the power play. [Hockey Independent]
- Questioning the new system. [KOL]
- Last week it was "We’re going ugly, gang, ’cause it’s the best bet for next spring." This week it's "These in-midseason-evolving Capitals aren’t where they need to be for spring" and "There is a sense of surrender settling in here." One wonders what next week might hold. [OFB]
- Luckily for the Caps, they get another shot at the Bolts real soon. [CI]
- John Carlson and Karl Alzner... still... gaining... acceptance. [WaPo]
- Wall-to-wall coverage of the 24/7 finale. [Befor the show (Slap Shot Blog, CI, CI, CI) and after (NHL, SB Nation DC, SB Nation DC, SB Nation DC, RMNB, KOL)]
- Your "no longer the Southleast!" post of the day. [Puck Daddy]
- A behind-the-scenes look at Alex Ovechkin and Semyon Varlamov's ESPN spot that's every bit as entertaining as the ad itself. [Caps365 (video)]
- Pretty much my two favorite athletes ever join forces. [D.C. Sports Bog]
- Slow and steady is a race-winning formula. [Peerless]
- Varly's a pretty solid fantasy play. FYI. [ESPN]
- Tune in to 106.7 The Fan for Brooks Laich at 8:45 this morning and Mike Green at 4:45 this afternoon.
- Logan Couture and Carlson lead E.J. Hradek's Calder pack (and Michal Neuvirth is tied for fifth). [ESPN (Hradek, $)]
- Sid, Alex and words. [PuckUpdate]
- Caps prospects Evgeny Kuznetsov, Dmitri Orlov and Cody Eakin did the organization proud at the WJCs. [NHL, KG's District, Buzzing The Net]
- Checking in on Quintin Laing. [RtR]
- Stingrays goalie Todd Ford's new mask is straight cash, err, Cash. [D.C. Sports Bog]
- Finally, happy 35th birthday to Richard Zednik and happy 56th to Alex Forsythe.
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I was glad on 24/7 last night they were able to focus on the most important story of the Winter Classic; namely, the return of Jordan Staal.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 6, 2011 7:09 AM EST reply actions
Perhaps it is because HBO set such a high bar in the other three episodes, but frankly, I wasn’t especially impressed with Episode 4. I had the sense of their having mailed it in. It also seemed to be the shortest episode of the four.
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It really did feel “short”, but I guess that’s from the fact they basically just covered a single game instead of several.
Didn’t bother me though. I thought it was fantastic.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 6, 2011 7:20 AM EST up reply actions
I’d take Brent Johnson’s choice of music any day of the week.
"So if I drank a bottle of rum (not really, it was about 2/3 of a bottle) starting at 1p and continuing through the Caps game does that mean I need to do that every Caps game from here on?"
"I would, but I’d also get yourself onto the organ transfer list as well just in case."
I tend to agree. Disregarding the results of the Caps games contained within, I would rank the episodes 1, 3, 4, 2 in terms of my overall entertainment.
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Rank 24/7 (1,3,4,2)
I’d have to re-watch but sounds accurate, esp for Caps fans.
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by Langway's Legacy on Jan 6, 2011 7:46 AM EST up reply actions
I saw your tweet on this.
I haven’t ranked the episodes, but I’m not sour on last night’s episode, as I think other are. I watched the closing 20 minutes three times last night.
Yes, they could have told us a different story on the game, but not necessarily a better one. They didn’t mention Fehr (other than the CBC call), but they didn’t mention Malkin on his goal either.
I’d encourage all to go back, if you have it on DVR (and shame on you if you don’t), and listen to the words of the final five minutes or so. It’s incredible prose and makes me proud to be such a big fan of the game.
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After giving it a bit more thought, I think I figured out why I was less enthused with last night’s game – unlike the previous episodes, it was more about the game than the teams. Whereas as a die-hard Caps fan, I saw the WC as a cool event but ultimately a game that happened to be played outdoors b/t two teams, HBO presented the game itself as the star. Which makes sense, both as an appeal to the casual fan and as a focal point for the whole exercise.
But there was so much about the stadium prep, the weather, hockey’s outdoor roots, etc., that it took away from the players and the teams a bit for me.
Still killer, still a total triumph, but it just fell flat for me a bit because of the focus.
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That may be part of it, but the other part (the whole experience that weekend) was bound to have some sort of letdown/disappointment in it for those that went and sat down to last night. Having them playing a closer and more entertaining game the week before didn’t help either.
That said, Peerless’ note that it felt like a mailed in ep is spot on, IMHO.
"So if I drank a bottle of rum (not really, it was about 2/3 of a bottle) starting at 1p and continuing through the Caps game does that mean I need to do that every Caps game from here on?"
"I would, but I’d also get yourself onto the organ transfer list as well just in case."
Yep. The weekend was so epic for those of us who were there, it’d have been awfully hard to capture it in any really meaningful way on film. But I’m guessing that as more distance is put between now and the game, looking back at this episode will become more enjoyable.
And WTF… we got the whole damn Pens/Isles game and three seconds of Caps/Habs?
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AV Club has their review of the series up, pretty good read.
"So if I drank a bottle of rum (not really, it was about 2/3 of a bottle) starting at 1p and continuing through the Caps game does that mean I need to do that every Caps game from here on?"
"I would, but I’d also get yourself onto the organ transfer list as well just in case."
I still feel the Caps were given short shrift as family guys. Adding the family/friends skate after the outdoor practice would have been nice. Ovie playing football on skates would have been a nice crossover image for non- or casual hockey fans.
(Yes, I know about the avatar hounding - just pretend mine is invisible.)
there’s not really many “family guys” on the team. Knuble’s the only one with older kids. The others all just had babies. And then there’s the large collection of young (and apparently suddenly un-single) men on this team.
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There are plenty of family guys on the Caps and those family members and friends were certainly noticeable at the family skate. Many of them are infants, so what? They count. I feel the Caps came off as less attached to other people. We saw the Dupuis children. We saw Cooke’s. We saw plenty of Blysma at home. We saw kids on Christmas day. Kids at the Pen’s holiday party. Talbot scarring kids for life.
We know the cameras followed Knuble but have very little Knuble children footage. We saw Hannan with his baby. But where was Poti baby? Hank the Tank? The Erskine children? More Bruce with his sons. The Chimeras? General hijinks with kids? A lot of Caps have children now. The Caps also do a lot of work that benefits children. It would have been nice to see some of that to give the players and team more dimension.
(Yes, I know about the avatar hounding - just pretend mine is invisible.)
I wonder if the wives objected to the intrusion at all.
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“I thought the cameras were supposed to be gone by 9. Oh god, this isn’t Cinemax, is it?”
by DrinkingPartner on Jan 6, 2011 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
During Friday’s practice coverage on NHLN, there’s an adorable sequence of Knuble being “tugged” at by one of his kids, then turning and chasing him around the ice. And Poti carrying his baby was great video too.
Guess HBO was too busy in the bunker with the weather guys to capture all of it.
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They had 4 hours of programming to split among two teams. Until there’s a Director’s Cut, I’m more than happy with the theatrical edit.
"So if I drank a bottle of rum (not really, it was about 2/3 of a bottle) starting at 1p and continuing through the Caps game does that mean I need to do that every Caps game from here on?"
"I would, but I’d also get yourself onto the organ transfer list as well just in case."
Not enough on-ice audio for me from the Winter Classic. It was just a glorified clip show of a game that everyone watching the episode already saw, for the most part. Not that it wasn’t a spectacular clip show, but I wanted more of an insider’s perspective.
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I seem to remember Nate tweeting they had 8, 22, 26 & 52 mic’d up, which (if that was the case) was disappointing to see how little material was in the final product.
"So if I drank a bottle of rum (not really, it was about 2/3 of a bottle) starting at 1p and continuing through the Caps game does that mean I need to do that every Caps game from here on?"
"I would, but I’d also get yourself onto the organ transfer list as well just in case."
I’d pay that in a heartbeat.
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I have vowed after last night to figure out how to download from my DTV DVR to my Mac, given that both are on the same network. I need the episodes on my iPad.
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The DTV Nomad will be out later this year for this very purpose (hopefully you won’t have to lose any data in a transfer).
"So if I drank a bottle of rum (not really, it was about 2/3 of a bottle) starting at 1p and continuing through the Caps game does that mean I need to do that every Caps game from here on?"
"I would, but I’d also get yourself onto the organ transfer list as well just in case."
I think it’s legal. It has to be, as Windows is certainly promoting its system as having DVR functionality. That’s right on the PC.
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But transferring things from a separate DVR to a computer might have to involve certain circumventions which would qualify as violations of the DMCA., technically eery time I play a DVD on my linux machine I am breaking that law as well.
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My area of law isn’t IP, but I’m pretty sure it wouldn’t be illegal to do something like this for your own personal use/storage, as long as you’re not burning DVDs and selling them on eBay or something.
Now, if someone can just tell me how to hook up my DVR to my computer…
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by Scott in Shaw on Jan 6, 2011 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
My area of law is IP, and I’m pretty sure that most of us break the DMCA at least once a week. I probably break it daily. There’s a pretty strong argument that copying music to your ipod from a CD that you own without express consent from the publisher is copyright infringement.
The actual scope of the IP laws is pretty astounding. They just don’t enforce them the way they’re written. Kind of like traffic laws.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Jan 6, 2011 1:19 PM EST up reply actions
I believe that anyone posting a torrent to say, Pirate Bay, is willingly sharing their music with me, just as if I lent you an album.
/ignoring the obvious
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Ah, okay, thanks. It’s been a while since I read the case law on stuff like that. My foggy memory was that the same theory that allowed you to tape a tv show onto a VCR cassette would allow you to rip a CD onto your computer (“archiving,” essentially), and would in turn allow you to stream your DVR onto your hard drive.
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by Scott in Shaw on Jan 6, 2011 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
You and your reality-based arguments…sheesh.
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by Scott in Shaw on Jan 6, 2011 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
you could make that argument, but companies have consistently argued against it in court, and sometimes won. as for connecting it to your computer, the easy way is almost all DVR’s have a firewire port, it’s been disabled in some but not in others. If it is disabled, the easiest way is to connect the HD of the DVR directly to your computer.
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So once you connect the DVR by HDMI cord to your computer, you should be able to easily find the files on the DVR and transfer them to your computer? I have to try this out.
firewire, not HDMI. Most computers would only have an HDMI out port, not an input port.
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Ah I didn’t think about that, since I have hooked up my laptop to the TV by HDMI. I am not a tech person (obviously). I suppose I need to buy some kind of cord to use the firewire?
its generally called a 1394 cable, i looks alike a funny shaped usb, alot of computers have the right port for it, I would think that any computer with a HDMI out port would.
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thanks, although maybe I should figure out if the firewire port is disabled first before I bother to go buy a cable. Is there anyway to determine that without hooking it up? I have a Comcast DVR.
If they decide to make the series available for sale, a good marketing angle might be for HBO to create two DVD sets – one with all Caps-centric extra footage and the other all Pens. Many folks would buy both sets.
by Ray of Sunshine on Jan 6, 2011 10:21 AM EST up reply actions
Mentioned it last night, but Ivan Carter asked Russ Greenburg about DVD on WashPost Life yesterday. He didn’t completely rule it out while saying they’d never done it for 24/7 before. Indicated that if they thought there was a enough demand they’d consider it.
Start the campaign now.
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Well, you know that NHL Films is now sitting on every second of unaired footage. If there’s any really good stuff in there, we’ll see it one day in some cheesy clip show.
You had me at no problem.
Presuming there’s an NHL Films to begin with (hopefully Gary’s got someone working on this now based on the reception this got).
"So if I drank a bottle of rum (not really, it was about 2/3 of a bottle) starting at 1p and continuing through the Caps game does that mean I need to do that every Caps game from here on?"
"I would, but I’d also get yourself onto the organ transfer list as well just in case."
by Bald Pollack on Jan 6, 2011 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
Well, somebody puts together all that NHL Network programming, like the “Top 10 Hot Dog Vendors of the 1995-1996 Playoffs”. I just figured it was the analogue of NFL Films.
You had me at no problem.
I’m guessing that the NHLN guys are just putting it together for broadcast without thinking of video distribution, not to mention the NFL Films folk are insanely good based on both time and production values, both of which the NHL has either lacked or not paid attention to in the past.
"So if I drank a bottle of rum (not really, it was about 2/3 of a bottle) starting at 1p and continuing through the Caps game does that mean I need to do that every Caps game from here on?"
"I would, but I’d also get yourself onto the organ transfer list as well just in case."
by Bald Pollack on Jan 6, 2011 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
Well sure, but back in the day NFL Films was making quality stuff (John Facenda’s voiceover and Sam Spence’s music FTW).
"So if I drank a bottle of rum (not really, it was about 2/3 of a bottle) starting at 1p and continuing through the Caps game does that mean I need to do that every Caps game from here on?"
"I would, but I’d also get yourself onto the organ transfer list as well just in case."
by Bald Pollack on Jan 6, 2011 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
I still listen to my copy of “Autumn Thunder”. This one always gets my blood flowing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcdJCAKMPuU&feature=related
You had me at no problem.
There was quite a bit of Staal in there….surprised it was so much mic time. On the other hand, they didn’t make it a alumni game mario fest.
There were parts that I really liked. I enjoyed the team “make them come to us” for handshake gate.
Sid wasn’t shown in that good of a light for this series in my opinion. Jawing at the official with the whole “I give you a power play and now you are giving me attitude” only strenghtens the argument against him that he whines too much. Player that good doesn’t need it.
“I missed seven cross checks. I’m awful” was awesome
Refs allow play to continue....
Not ashamed to say I LOL’d at MAF talking shit during the shootout, and Cooke and his kid wearing matching suits.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 6, 2011 8:00 AM EST up reply actions
The Fleury chatter was one of the most entertaining parts of the series for me. If anything, I grew to like a few of the Penguins in this series — Fleury, Dan Bylsma, Pascal Dupuis. But Matt Cooke is still a tool.
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by ThePeerless on Jan 6, 2011 8:08 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
But Matt Cooke is still a tool.
I can’t believe I rooted for that guy for a month or so. It’s like a repressed childhood memory.
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Feels the same way to root for Orpik during the Olympics, but it has/had to be done.
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No it doesn’t. You can love your country and root for another team in the Olympics. I was pretty much rooting for “ABC” in the Olympics (Anyone but Canada)…
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jan 6, 2011 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
agreed, Fleury and Dupuis I especially grew to like. Cooke is exactly who I thought he was (douche) and the spotlight on him and his son felt a little forced to me. . . as if HBO was falling into the cliche of “these players aren’t who you think they are, see the lighter side of Cooke the instigator”.
Just when I was prepared to remove the “whiner tag” from Crosby, HBO saves me the trouble.
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by Lunatic Fringe on Jan 6, 2011 8:17 AM EST up reply actions
It was funny to hear Cooke refer to Backstrom as “Nicky” instead of “f*head”, “d-bag” or some other perjorative.
They were teammates, so they know each other personally.
Also, did anyone else notice just how chippy Nicky was? He was slashing people constantly.
by DrinkingPartner on Jan 6, 2011 8:58 AM EST up reply actions
I understand, but it just seemed out of charactoer for Cooke. Same with the “if you do it again, I’m going to retaliate” — basically giving Backstrom a few freebies. Some kind of show of respect from Cooke that I wouldn’t have expected even though they were teammates. And not that it made me hate Cooke any less.
It could also be easily explained as trash talk.
:shrug:
by DrinkingPartner on Jan 6, 2011 9:05 AM EST up reply actions
I noticed that he skated in with JCRAH at 0.6 to hit 87.
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by DrinkingPartner on Jan 6, 2011 9:09 AM EST up reply actions
The Fleury chatter was great. Reminded me of many a sports practice/pickup games from childhood.
I said last week that I thought Bylsma was the star of the series. He came off the best of anyone involved.
My favorite Cooke moment during the series was during the family skate when someone said Cooke’s kids were just like him after his boy speared someone.
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haha yeah, on of the Pens player (DuPuis(?)) said the kid came after him, and he was like “huh?” until he realized it was Cooke’s kid, and the kid was just like his Dad.
I also loved when Bylsma’s wife says that their son had a great check on someone and he is like “You hit someone? Was it on purpose?”
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by RockinRed4Life on Jan 6, 2011 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
Talbot was the guy that said little Cooke was just like his dad. I thought Talbot came off pretty well, blasphemy, I know.
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I found him to be entertaining.
Certainly not only the level of Johnny’s Christmas Dickey, but on the level of MAF’s Christmas sweater.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 6, 2011 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
It really perplexed me, after HBO did the whole Adopt-a-Family piece in episode 3, that they barely mentioned it was the same guy who had two goals to seal the Caps win. I know the “good karma” meme was floating around this town about it.
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The refs were the biggest winners of the series if you ask me.
The guy is Peter Schumpmaker. Lord knows what a schump is, but you can bet your bippy his ancestors made them. What he's doing is far worse than crafting fine schumps.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Jan 6, 2011 11:26 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I could buy that. Walkom came off great.
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So did Sutherland. So did the refs at the WC.
Drunk Guy: "Alex Ovechkin is playing more like Magic Johnson than Michael Jordan this year."
Laichitor: "He has AIDS?"
Walkom was also one of the refs at WC. Devorski was the other one.
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Ah. I thought you meant Walkom from one of the earlier episodes; he looked good then too.
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Yeah, I didn’t realize he was on the WC.
Drunk Guy: "Alex Ovechkin is playing more like Magic Johnson than Michael Jordan this year."
Laichitor: "He has AIDS?"
Walkom’s the one who got into with Cooke on the cross checking. good stuff right there.
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I thought that was Devo? Could have sworn it was #10, at least.
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He had too to prevent the swelling, itching, burning.
"So if I drank a bottle of rum (not really, it was about 2/3 of a bottle) starting at 1p and continuing through the Caps game does that mean I need to do that every Caps game from here on?"
"I would, but I’d also get yourself onto the organ transfer list as well just in case."
If I’m wrong, it’s nhl.com’s fault. Which wouldn’t be the first time.
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Can’t humanize the Refs more than showing them all having a congratulatory beer after the game, as they did earlier in the series.
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Fleury's chatter and insults...
reminded me of this guy
by kingbonehead on Jan 6, 2011 11:55 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Oh…. having Fleury in his French-Canadian accent quoting the French Taunter… that’s be LOL-worthy.
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jan 6, 2011 1:04 PM EST up reply actions
As I said in last night’s thread, the sight of Jackson Cooke in a suit reminded me of the Sam character in Different Strokes
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Sid & Ref Yapping
Are there any “Crosby: Just STFU & Play” T-Shirts out there?
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by Langway's Legacy on Jan 6, 2011 8:03 AM EST up reply actions
JP… this is a t-shirt opportunity in the offing…
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jan 6, 2011 1:04 PM EST up reply actions
It wasn’t just him, though. I was surprised at how many players yelled at and swore at the refs afters calls/non-calls. The NHL needs a yellow card/ red card/ technical foul policy. Either that or a “2 minutes for running your mouth” penalty. Don’t get me wrong, it’s entertaining as a viewer. I just wouldn’t stand for it as a ref!
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by PensAreYourDaddy on Jan 6, 2011 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
It’s an emotional game. You have to let the players talk a bit. I didn’t think anything I heard was over the line. The closest would maybe have been Crosby’s “I watch 80 games a year and that’s a penalty shot every time… oh and it was a hook on the way in.” But that wasn’t that bad and he’s the Captain. If that stuff gets penalized I’ll be real disappointed.
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Laichitor: "He has AIDS?"
Yeah, that was borderline crossing from the usual complaining into actual criticism of the refs’ officiating, something that gets you fined if you do it in a post-game press conference.
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by Scott in Shaw on Jan 6, 2011 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
Makes me wonder just how bad it has to be to get tossed for “abuse of official.” I see that penalty more in the minors and in junior gamesheets…
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If you do something to show up the official you’re gonna get it. Anything that a fan can see without the HBO cameras an Mics. Think about Poti slamming the door in Vancouver. If you make a show of your displeasure, you are asking for a call. If all it is is words and the fans could pretend it was a civil conversation the refs will usually let you go for a bit. There are, of course, magic words and lines that can’t be crossed.
Drunk Guy: "Alex Ovechkin is playing more like Magic Johnson than Michael Jordan this year."
Laichitor: "He has AIDS?"
I guess that’s why I was surprised. I never played pro sports but did play through HS/college and there wasn’t much leeway for “abusing” the refs. :) Then again, I didn’t play hockey because that wasn’t an option for girls in my neck of the woods, circa 1901.
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by mechanicsville on Jan 6, 2011 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
I was surprised by how much the refs took, but more by how much they were trying to manage the game rather than just look for black/white fouls. At one point one ref said something along the lines of “yea, he went into the crease hard so he needs to take some shots”, and also encouraging the fights to continue. Had no idea there was so much back and forth with the players, although I always wondered. Was good to see/hear.
Hard to do that when the refs give it right back. I think that’s what surprised me the most. The refs in the WC took and gave equally to Crosby and Cooke.
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At some point you have to, right? Can’t just sit there and take shit all day.
Drunk Guy: "Alex Ovechkin is playing more like Magic Johnson than Michael Jordan this year."
Laichitor: "He has AIDS?"
If only I could do that at my job.
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I could understand the focus on Staal, had HBO constructed a theme to convince me why he was so important. Hockey fans know why, but if I’m not a hockey fan I might be asking myself, “who cares, and why is he wearing the blue neoprene sleeve on his hand?”
There also were subtleties that HBO seemed to whiff on here, the biggest one being the fact that Eric Fehr scored the insurance goal only moments after the teams changed ends. They spent a lot of time on the weather, but not on whether the change (and the different ice conditions between the ends that were a product of the weather) might have played a role. An even more subtle one that maybe only the hockey-addled fan would have picked up on was the fact that for the last ten minutes of the game, the teams had the long change because of the swap of ends. Hard to hold a lead when your defensemen are making the long change after having already played 50 minutes on soft ice.
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I think they also short-changed the impact of how many Caps fans were there outside of that one scene where they were screaming for Bruce through the gate. You only really saw shots of Pittsburgh fans.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 6, 2011 8:09 AM EST up reply actions
The one thing that undergirds the whole WCF idea this year is not just the Crosby-Ovechkin rivalry, but the fact that these are two teams with a long and bitter history. You got a whiff of it in the ads for the show (Laich talking about how they don’t like the Pens, and the Pens don’t like them; Max Talbot loving to piss off the Caps), but it didn’t seem to get much development in the show. Only so many themes you could cover in four episodes, I guess.
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I can only imagine HBO has a shit-ton of extra material. What I wouldn’t give to get my hands on it…
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I would love to listen to all the stuff not used from the players that were mic’ed up for the games.
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by RockinRed4Life on Jan 6, 2011 8:15 AM EST up reply actions
It seems to me that this might have been one instance in which HBO went outside the lines of its own format. The other reality show they did with football teams covered time that didn’t count. Here they were covering a league game. It commanded a lot of minutes in the final episode. Maybe it should have been a 90-minute episode.
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I dunno, Peerless, they did have that Katie Morgan “Best of” coming on at midnight that they just couldn’t reschedule.
by DrinkingPartner on Jan 6, 2011 8:47 AM EST up reply actions
but it didn’t seem to get much development in the show
In Episode 3 there’s the whole build up to the first Pens-Caps game, I thought HBO did a great job building up that rivalry. The combo of the interviews (Dupuis is the one that I very vividly remember, I know there were others), and the overly dramatic shots of them all walking into the VC (which I loved, btw) built it up quite nicely, I thought.
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by SeattleCapsFan on Jan 6, 2011 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
There also were subtleties that HBO seemed to whiff on here
Definitely. For example, the editing of the practice at Heinz was choppy and out of sequence – one minute they’re in practice sweaters, then in their game duds, then back in practice jerseys. Odd.
They also threw in a shot of AO on the ice as the opening faceoff of the WC was about to take place, but he didn’t start. That was odd.
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that's bc they took the team shot and then changed to practice sweaters right after
would’ve been a waste of minutes to go through that, methinks
I would have liked to see them include some Andrew Gordon tape of him getting sent down just before the game. Would have been interesting to see the impact of that conversation. Pretty sure he was mic’d up for the Bears/Baby Pens game, which they didn’t show any of.
I also don’t think they leveraged the mic’d up players as much as they could have. But they had a ton of tape to go over so I’m sure it was tough to get it down to 50 minutes or so. Hope they release some of the cutting room floor tape on DVD.
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The weather took up the space they could’ve used for the alumni and HER-WBS games.
Darn you, weather!
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I wish they had at least emphasized how many call-ups were on the Caps. You would think from the footage that the Caps were playing with their full NHL roster. Or, since they spent so much time on Staal and his injured hand, they could have worked in Schultzie and his injury and return a bit more.
I did like that HBO focused on the youth of Neuvy and Varly, but wish there was discussion of the young defensement too.
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you’d like to think they could have given a minute to Jay beagle and Matty P. Among the last cuts, and the luck goes your way and you’re playing in what turned out to be the NHL’s most watched game in 36 years. Most have been just thrilling for them. Same with Hendricks, who didn’t even have a contract and got a “well, come try out because I like you” invite from Bruce.
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I think some of those those stories would have gotten in if the episodes had been longer, but choices had to be made. Plenty of stuff I’d have liked to have seen covered, but wasn’t. Each team got about 2 hours of time. Impossible to cover it all. Another reason I’d love to see a DVD set with tons of bonus footage.
As for Schultz, his injury didn’t fit the narrative and he’s probably the last player HBO would have focused on.
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by J.P. on Jan 6, 2011 11:29 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
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by Rather Bengt on Jan 6, 2011 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
i have newfound respect for the refs (at least the guys working the WC). These guys take a ton of shit from the players and for the most part do a good job of communicating to the players and coaches. Next time you want to yell “ref you suck!” think about how little these guys care what you say compared to what they hear on the ice.
The transposition of Ovi talking to them about his waived off goal and Crosby bitching to them about his non-penalty shot was striking.
“Drop the fucking puck, Pierre!” I was thinking the same thing. Why go through the formality when these guys just slashed each other behing the net? Just drop it and be done. Nothing good can happen in 0.6 seconds (as my wife always tells me….).
Note to Matt Cooke, the official rule is 8 slashes/cross checks before it’s a penalty…unless you are a douche.
“Shitsburgh”…oh Ovi, why? I guess they can’t boo you any worse then they already do.
Didn’t look like “just another regular season game” to the Pens afterwards.
Such an amazing story arc from the down in the dumps Caps and smokin’ and jokin’ Pens in Epsisodes 1 and 2 to the victorious upbeat Caps and, quite frankly, sore loser Pens at the end.
Great job HBO.
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As I wrote last night, I think the mic’d up refs was, perhaps, the best part. Good for them.
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After episode 3, my wife couldn’t believe how much they let players curse and yap at the refs. That was certainly reinforced last night.
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87 said a mouthful on the hook by Green. Amazing that he watches 80 games a year and that play is always a penalty shot. Hmmm.
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I obviously can’t make a valid judgement, but I remember when it happened I was holding my breath expecting a penalty shot to be called. But that’s based on my view from the top of the field at the 50 yard line,
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I was thinking the same thing. You know the HBO guys wanted to see Sid take a penalty shot. The refs showed a lot of restraint (rightly or wrongly) not making that call. They seem more than happy to call penalty shots more often than they used to and on more marginal plays than that.
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Now we know what SId does in Mario’s basement. Nice that Mario ponies up for the Center Ice package.
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Related question: why does everyone give Sid shit for living with Mario and doesn’t say word one about AO living with his parents?
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I don’t believe Sid does live with his parents any longer.
Eric Johnson either did or still does live with Al Macinnis here in St. Louis.
It makes sense to me when you’ve got these 18-year-old kids coming in to the league who have no experience living on their own whatsoever. Better to have them live with mentors that live with their own posse, a la the NBA.
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Sorry. I meant live with Mario. I seem to recall Sid bought his own place.
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Found this. He moved out earlier this year, albeit not to far away.
Center and captain Sidney Crosby has bought a home in the Pittsburgh area after a few years of looking for the right place. He has not yet occupied it.
Since he arrived in Pittsburgh as a rookie shortly after his 18th birthday for the start of 2005-06, Crosby, now 22, has lived during the season with the family of Mario Lemieux, the Penguins’ Hall of Fame center and now co-owner. Crosby’s new house is not far from the Lemieux home.
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Right. But I mean in general over the past handful of years.
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Because Mario is his boss, not his father. It was a good idea when Sid was 18, or even 20. He’s 23 and makes millions. Time to move out.
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Because it falls into the general “Sidney is a wiener” meme.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 6, 2011 9:18 AM EST up reply actions
Your question is too rational and even handed for the subject matter.
by DrinkingPartner on Jan 6, 2011 9:20 AM EST up reply actions
Well, it’s more like Ovi’s parents are living with him. It’s his house. Sid is/was living in someone else’s basement despite earning over $8M a year.
Ovi also moved here from another continent/culture so it’s understandable that he’d want to have such a support system in place to ease the transition. And they aren’t just his parents, they are his agents. Would you give up home cooked stuffed cabbage every night?
Not such a culture shock moving from NS to Pittsburgh. I understand why he may have done it in year one, but to keep living there always struck me as odd.
In the end, if Sid sucked more at the game, i’d give him more shit for that. Until then, it’s Mario’s basement and facial hair.
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by dcsportsfan1 on Jan 6, 2011 9:27 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
The more important question:
Who cares?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 6, 2011 9:28 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Also, Ovie goes out and parties. Ovechkin may actually be living with his parents, but Sid acts like he does.
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Right. Because AO acts like an adult all the time off the ice. Got it.
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Not like an “adult,” but certainly a more independent person. Adult implies maturity and responsibility, which you could argue Ovie has less of.
Look, I don’t go around making “Sid lives in Mario’s basement, what a little baby” comments. But I certainly understand why it seems to stick and self-perpetuate, and why you never hear the same mockery about Ovechkin. That’s all.
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Fair enough. Just wondering why “AO as mama’s boy” never really took off, especially given that she controls his business affairs (which is certainly not the norm).
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In that case, I’d ask if she’s qualified or simply acting as his mother. If I had a kid in that situation, I’d certainly be involved in the business affairs because it’s my field. I’d also know how much I’d need outside advice.
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IIRC either during the extension talks or when they fired Meehan it was mentioned that she did all of his RSL negotiating and that the only reason Ovi had a US agent initially was because she wasn’t familiar with how things worked in the US.
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and – back to my earlier post – why Eric Johnson hasn’t been labeled similarly for living with Al Macinnis or John Tavares/Matt Moulson living in a house owned by Doug Weight?
It’s simply due to who Sid is and the exposure he’s had.
In many ways, it’s unfair.
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AO has always come off as the more masculine of the two, for whatever reason. Maybe the facial hair or the “caveman” meme or the missing teeth, or just the fact that he has flattened so many tough guys on the ice.
You don’t hear “AO is a mama’s boy” or “AO is girly” or “Alexa”. When haters attack Ovechkin, they don’t question his manhood.
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Probably because Mrs. Ovechkin could beat up anyone who tried to start that meme.
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by Hang a Laingtern on Your Problems on Jan 6, 2011 11:01 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Possibly because of the European factor? All our Russians and Nicky seem to have one or both parents living with them in the U.S.
North Americans seem to be raised with the idea that you grow up and move out. Success is establishing your own household independent from your family, whereas Europeans seem to be following the multi-generation in a house model. You grow up and repay your parents by providing for them.
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Europeans seem to be following the multi-generation in a house model.
I guess either we Swedes are bad at being European or it’s just not possible to make a relevant generalization about people from 45 different countries :) because I don’t recognize this at all.
All our Russians and Nicky seem to have one or both parents living with them in the U.S.Nicklas moved away from home when he was 16 or 17 and as far as I know his parents never lived with him after that.
As for “suspect” living arrangements, it’s hard to top two players that belong to different NHL team living togehter during the season.
Viktor Stålberg (Chicago) and Fredrik Pettersson (Atlanta but he’s currently playing for Chicago Wolves) do just that. I guess it’s not a problem as long as Pettersson don’t called up.
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Nicky has his parents and brother with him now that he has a house in VA. They’ve been here more often than not this season.
I wasn’t making a generalization, hence my repeated use of “seem to.” I was describing a possible perception. Over here we tend to hear about people from other countries living together in bigger family units or staying at home until marriage. So if someone foreign is said to be living with his/her family many Americans just ascribe it to cultural differences. The unmarried European players on the team have their parents with them, so that must be how Europeans do things.
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I don’t know, I figure Nicky’s parents and brother come to visit him occasionally, and where else are they going to stay besides his house? It’d be the same if he went home to visit his parents, he’d stay at their house. I don’t think them visiting occasionally and staying at his house means anything in regards to cultural differences. This occurs within American families all the time, but it’s maybe not as apparent because Americans live much closer to their families than Nicky is to his in Sweden, so American families either make shorter, more frequent trips or live within easy driving distance.
Personally I thought it was a little more odd that Mike Green seemed to have a random buddy from home staying with him (as seen in the lunch interview he did with Lindsay C.).
This year, though, Nicky’s family has been around almost all the time: at Kettler, at games, running errands. In previous years, they visited occasionally. That is why I included him in the European example. If this discussion had taken place last year, then he wouldn’t have been lumped in because his family seemed to visit but not live with him.
(As for Green, friends seem to rotate staying with him as is sometime seen with Ovie and his friends.)
But I am not making a point about visiting. I am discussing how having so many players from Europe who seem to be living with their families might make an American think that is the norm. Hence, adding another layer to why is Crosby mocked and Ovie isn’t.
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I guess my stalking skills are not as advanced as yours:) I was aware Nicky’s family was around at the beginning of the season and again near Christmas but I thought they went home in between. Maybe they visit more now because he has a house with more room for them. Also, isn’t this his brother’s first year retired from hockey?
Ovie always seems to have that Magnot (sp) guy with him that looks kinda creepy. He was even mentioned in the GQ piece.
I wasn’t making a generalization
Then I must have misunderstood you, I apologize.
As for the thing with his parents and brother living with him I stand by my first comment that they don’t but I obviously can’t force you to believe me.
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I said “seem to” have them living with him. I feel you are continuing to take my comment out of the context of the discussion. The purpose of my comments were to show how perceptions of the living arrangements of a group of people (some of the Caps’ European players who seem to live with their parents and North Americans who seem not to live with their parents) might influence why Crosby is picked on and Ovie isn’t.
Others have mentioned: Renter/moocher vs homeowner; Ovie’s percieved masculinity compared to Crosby’s; boss vs parents; cultural differences. I expanded on the last one by throwing out the possibility that fans might feel that living with parents might be normal because it seems that many of the Caps European players live with their families when they are here.
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. I feel you are continuing to take my comment out of the context of the discussion.
Ok let’s recap this: I wasn’t trying to continue the discussion about Sidney/Mario I thought you had factual errors in your comment and I was trying to point them out. Then you explained to me that it wasn’t your opinion so I apologized for the misunderstanding.
I said "seem to" have them living with himThen I must have misunderstood you again because when I read your comments it sounds to me like you think his family is living with him. I guess my English reading comprehension still is a work in progress.
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Your reading comprehension is fine. I read the original post the same way.
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by cuqui on Jan 6, 2011 10:40 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Because Ovie bought his house and then had his parents move from Russia to be closer to him, while Sid moved into’s his boss’ basement. What Ovie did is much more natural.
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by timmyv38 on Jan 6, 2011 9:30 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Right. Because hockey doesn’t have a culture of young players moving away from home and boarding with established hockey presences in their adopted home towns.
My question was more or less rhetorical, trying to point to how stupid the “Sid lives with Mario!” stuff is, but I guess that was lost on some/most who want to keep playing the same tired tune.
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Personally, I’ve never heard of another player doing what Sid did – but that might just due to the fact that everything Sid did for the first couple seasons was so publicized.
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Living with the owner? Maybe not. But Mario isn’t just another owner and Sid isn’t just another player.
Dan Blackburn in NYR was probably the most similar example I could think of.
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Actually, I don’t make jokes about it, but I definitely thought he should have moved out at least a year ago. But I view it as being an adult. In the real world, people don’t live with their bosses. If he was still living with a teammate, I suspect it wouldn’t be a big deal at all.
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In the real world, people don’t live with their bosses.
NHL hockey isn’t the real world.
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NHL hockey isn’t the real world.
For example, in Real World, this is a Puck:
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Jan 6, 2011 10:37 AM EST up reply actions 7 recs
Wow. Pull from the early days of Real World.
Nicely done.
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Wasn’t lost on me – you tend to ding people for stuff you don’t personally find funny.
by MikeBrady on Jan 6, 2011 9:45 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It’s not so much a “is this funny” thing as much as it is a “this is dumb and why do we do it” thing. It’s akin to the mouthbreathers that come in here and call Sid “Cindy” and “Crysby”.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 6, 2011 9:48 AM EST up reply actions
Stupid? Sure, not the first or last bit of minutia to be overblown and recycled long after it should have died. As far as such things go, this is pretty benign.
I do think it’s a bit beyond the normal NHL hockey culture to live in your bosses basement for over 5 years when you are a well compensated player.
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by dcsportsfan1 on Jan 6, 2011 9:51 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree that it seems a little odd, but I don’t see the big deal either. He is an adult, Mario being his boss, is a very different boss-employee relationship than in the real world, and if it is an arrangement that works for them, then good for them.
I would just think he would have WANTED his own place by now…but then there are hassles in that that he doesn’t have to deal with as a tenant of Mario, I am sure.
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by RockinRed4Life on Jan 6, 2011 9:54 AM EST up reply actions
The “boss” part of it might be the biggest “who fucking cares” of the whole thing. What if it’s couched as “former teammate”?
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Fomer teammate who’s twice his age? Who’s got a family vs being another single guy in the city.
I agree it’s one of a million stupid themes that bounce around the NHL. But let’s not pretend it’s not an unusual situation for a professional athelete.
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by dcsportsfan1 on Jan 6, 2011 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
There’s a pretty small sample size of “best players in the world in their respective sports at age 23,” so I’m not going to call anything unsual, especially when that sample, as applied to hockey, yields two guys who live with parents or parental figures.
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To me, it wasn’t the fact he moved in with Mario but the length of time, coupled with his salary, that seemed off. To use another example, Malkin lived with Gonchar and his family when he first came to Pittsburgh, but moved out and got his own place after he got the big contract. That seems more normal.
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I think Malkin had a hard time adjusting at first. His English certainly wasn’t very good. I think him living with Gonchar was a good situation to help him adjust. I actually read somewhere that in the summer he stayed with Gonchar in Russia, too.
I just saw a video yesterday about the Flyers Bierre and some other French Canadian teammate living together and raising Bierre’e 3 boys (he went through a bad divorce).
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by Hang a Laingtern on Your Problems on Jan 6, 2011 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
There has to be a sitcom in there somewhere.
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by PensAreYourDaddy on Jan 6, 2011 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
It was pretty funny, they asked who did the cooking and cleaning. No one cooked (ate out a lot) and they had maids to clean. Seemed like typical guys, with the addition of 3 boys that also played hockey. It seemed like they had a lot of fun together. There doesn’t seem anything wrong with that at all to me.
Oh, I wasn’t suggesting there was (anything wrong). Just the premise of a couple of pro hockey players raising three boys sounds more interesting than half the crap on the tube these days.
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by PensAreYourDaddy on Jan 6, 2011 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
If I didn’t hate Briere so much I’d agree.
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by Rob Parker on Jan 6, 2011 2:20 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
And Backstrom lived with Nylander for a bit.
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by Scott in Shaw on Jan 6, 2011 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
But, Nicky is lovable. He gets a pass for being foreign. I distinctly remember an interview with Nylander where he said that Nicky was uncomfortable when he first came over since he didn’t speak the language and he wasn’t accustomed to the food.
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In all fairness, Sid is still learning Pittsburghese.
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by PensAreYourDaddy on Jan 6, 2011 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
Haha. It’s not that hard! Yinzers think it’s tough to figure out? Took me one Steelers tailgate. I just hope Sid’s diet doesn’t keep him away from the the local treasure that is IC. He probably goes IC light.
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Was it just me, or did IC taste pretty much like Natty Boh? Either way, we went through 2 30 packs of it and were wanting more.
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Plenty of young guys in the league live with older teammates or management who have families their first year or two in the league. Cam Fowler is living with former Duck Scott Niedermeyer this year.
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My point exactly CP.
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Ah. Gotcha. Renting = bad. Owning = good.
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I wonder what percentage of 23-year-olds in this country are homeowners.
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Sorry, but gotta quote you on this one:
NHL hockey isn’t the real world.
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Spot on – typical norms do not apply.
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I wonder what percentage of anti-Crosby hockey fans know or care. Let’s not pretend that serious reasoning or rationality drives taunting and mockery.
Americans assume that a person with Crosby’s means would want to go out and buy a mansion with a private rink and staff it with a few busty French maids. It appears odd that he chose to live the way he did. When kids dream of being the greatest athlete in the world, living in someone else’s house isn’t part of the dream.
You had me at no problem.
Also not part of the dream? Consistent post-season disappointment.
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I can see the appeal though, living alone could get lonely and such, he kinda has a family when he lives there. A big empty mansion, would kinda suck.
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by RockinRed4Life on Jan 6, 2011 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
Not if you filled it with a few busty French maids.
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I’m with you on the larger picture, but do you not think owning/renting is an important distinction?
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Yes, as well as the basement factor. Living in a basement gets you ridiculed in this country.
Does/did Sid actually live in Mario’s basement?
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by PensAreYourDaddy on Jan 6, 2011 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
Goddamn. I mean my house is still bigger, but you know it’s not a pissing contest.
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by Gould Old Days on Jan 6, 2011 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
No, not really.
I rent. Does that fact make me inherently a shitbum?
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Well, that’s not what makes you a shitbum.
I’m just saying that if you’re talking about someone living with older people who owns is important. I have friends that live at home with their parents. People tend to think they kind of suck at life. I have another friend that owns a home and his parents moved in with him. People think he’s kind of a stud. In terms of perception, I think it matters.
Drunk Guy: "Alex Ovechkin is playing more like Magic Johnson than Michael Jordan this year."
Laichitor: "He has AIDS?"
(I kept wanting to ask Boudreau, “what else are you supposed to shit with?”)
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by Gould Old Days on Jan 6, 2011 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
Because there's something
Immensely discomfitting about this picture.
And I know that comes off as snark, but I think images like this definitely impact the way people view the situation.
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by Hang a Laingtern on Your Problems on Jan 6, 2011 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
I’ve never really given him shit for it…in fact I actually think it’s pretty effing cool for all parties involved. But to answer your question…I think the difference is that Ovechkin owns the house and his family stays with him.
Actually there was a very angry and drunk Pens fan sitting a few rows behind us at the WC who kept calling Ovi a pussy because he still lived with his parents…so it does go both ways.
Technicality though, Ovi’s parents live with him. There’s a difference.
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by SeattleCapsFan on Jan 6, 2011 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
Because AO owns the house and his parents live with him here. Sid lived in Mario’s guest house… and isn’t related to Mario.
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jan 6, 2011 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
I’d have to watch that play again, but I think when it happened my first reaction was that Sid didn’t have full possession of the puck, so it was just hooking/interference. Could be wrong though.
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Typically you see penalty shots when the defenseman is fully-extended or diving or cuts the legs out from under the player.
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Right, but my point was that at the time I didn’t think Crosby even had possession (thought the puck was bouncing a bit), so no penalty shot was even possible. i.e., he was interfered with, but his ability to take a shot wasn’t impeded because he wasn’t in control the puck. Can’t find a replay of that penalty anywhere to confirm, though.
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For there to be a penalty shot there need to be three things:
1) Fouled from behind (Yep, Green was behind Sid)
2) Denied a reasonable scoring chance (definitely)
3) Clear separation from the offender to the victim..
The penalty shot falls down on the third one since it was a holding call. Tough to have separation on a holding penalty…
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jan 6, 2011 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
My favorite line of the night was “You can hit all night, but don’t leave your feet. You left your feet. Don’t leave your feet.”
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by Gould Old Days on Jan 6, 2011 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
I preferred “Fuck ‘Em. Let’s go.”
Or “I missed 7 cross checking calls.”
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I remember watching the the play where Ovi left his feet. I cringed waiting for a call but was relieved when he didn’t get one. Honestly the HBO series has given me a lot more respect for the on ice officials. A lot goes on that we as fans just don’t get to see. Makes the game seem less random seeing it unfold on 24/7.
I’m not sure how I felt. If he left his feet, it’s a call. Does that mean the refs are letting him get freebies? It reminded me of the scene from the prior Caps/Pens game when the ref warned Malkin about slew-footing.
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Ah, but he only tried to slew foot the other guy.
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by PensAreYourDaddy on Jan 6, 2011 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
Because he’s not at good as AO or he would have succeeded!
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by Rob Parker on Jan 6, 2011 2:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Even if HBO doesn’t come out with the dvd of the whole series, at least give us a best of 24/7 referees edition.
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by PensAreYourDaddy on Jan 6, 2011 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
And AO isn’t as good as Crosby who can successfully slew foot a guy AND get a penalty called against that guy.
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by Killer_Carlson on Jan 6, 2011 2:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The ultimate Jedi trick.
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Laichitor: "He has AIDS?"
can’t win a face off, can’t take a hit, can properly execute a slew foot…..
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Didn’t look like "just another regular season game" to the Pens afterwards.
Seriously. Didn’t it look like Dupuis was going to cry?
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by Scott in Shaw on Jan 6, 2011 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
He bawls after wins too. He’s a very sensitive guy.
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by PensAreYourDaddy on Jan 6, 2011 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
maybe he have sensitive skin
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by Gould Old Days on Jan 6, 2011 4:05 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
My wife asked if he was crying.
Bylsma looked like he was trying not to show that he cared too much but it ended up coming out. That might have been my favorite part.
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I thought it was clear that Bylsma cared. At the end, he slapped his paper to his hands and said something like “Really wanted this one.”
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Yeah exactly. That was the moment he cracked.
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Laichitor: "He has AIDS?"
And that was all with full and total knowledge that the cameras were on and that the world would see it.
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Yup. Which is why I said I thought he was trying to hold back. Earlier in that speech it looked like he was trying not to show it for the cameras.
Lamest moment? Shero trying to take the F-bomb shot at BB.
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Obviously we’re approaching it from different sides, but I laughed hard at that. Didn’t see it as a direct shot at BB since the whole f-bomb thing had kind of taken over the series.
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by PensAreYourDaddy on Jan 6, 2011 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe I was reading it in conjunction with Talbot’s blog about “we do things differently here.” Maybe you’re right, but I saw it as a shot at BB (as did my Pens fan friend).
Drunk Guy: "Alex Ovechkin is playing more like Magic Johnson than Michael Jordan this year."
Laichitor: "He has AIDS?"
“we do things differently” except when MAF is on the ice, apparently. Fucking fuckfaces!
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Was that the Isles post-game with Bylsma, or am I missing something?
"So if I drank a bottle of rum (not really, it was about 2/3 of a bottle) starting at 1p and continuing through the Caps game does that mean I need to do that every Caps game from here on?"
"I would, but I’d also get yourself onto the organ transfer list as well just in case."
It was the day after I think, when they were reviewing the game.
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Correct. Shero said something like “What the fuck happened?”, banged the desk, and turned to look at the camera.
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And said “you don’t have to show that.”
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Laichitor: "He has AIDS?"
I’ll have to watch it again for that last bit, that’s kinda funny in reading it.
"So if I drank a bottle of rum (not really, it was about 2/3 of a bottle) starting at 1p and continuing through the Caps game does that mean I need to do that every Caps game from here on?"
"I would, but I’d also get yourself onto the organ transfer list as well just in case."
it was the most personality Shero showed all series, not that we really saw that much of him.
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I thought Bylsma’s speech between periods 2 and 3 where he dropped F-bombs every other word was an implicit shot or mimicry directed at BB.
Didn’t bother me, but it was too obvious.
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I thought he’d was just getting over his guardedness in front of the cameras. Didn’t he say at the beginning of the series that he was trying to watch his language because he knew his son would be watching the show sometime?
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Yeah, he had to write a check to the swear jar after that one.
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by PensAreYourDaddy on Jan 6, 2011 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
Is it any secret that these guys would relish a win over the Caps? That it was the WC only added slightly to the disappointment.
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by PensAreYourDaddy on Jan 6, 2011 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
I’m watching the highlight clip of the WJC championship. Is that Pierre on the audio who’s comparing Kuznetzov to Datsyuk? Fair comparison, or overreaching because he had a good game/tournament?
"It's always good to have vikings."
Actually, now I’m not sure who they were talking about either. I shouldn’t make assumptions.
"It's always good to have vikings."
Kuznutz’s definitely not as humble or defensively responsible as Dats, as yet, but he’ll be very good, I think.
by DrinkingPartner on Jan 6, 2011 8:49 AM EST up reply actions
In JP’s link, Kuznetsov gives an amazing post-game quote:
“This is the best team in the world right now,” Kuznetsov said through a translator. “We proved it tonight and we proved it (Monday).” And, Kuznetsov said they proved it for one simple reason. “We did it because we are Russians and because we are champions.”
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It was Pierre. Yes, he was comparing Kuznetsov to Datsyuk. He then compared Orlov to Sergei Zubov.
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by J.P. on Jan 6, 2011 8:50 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I don’t know about that. I’m sure plenty of American writers have compared Backstrom to Forsberg, for example.
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by J.P. on Jan 6, 2011 8:53 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Pierre compared Kuz to Datsyuk and Orlov to Zubov. extremely high praise. I doubt they ever reach that, but ti’s nice to see them getting some love.
I have to admit, I didn’t think Orlov deserved an all-tourny spot when he was announced but looking back he had some very good numbers. That +10 especially indicates he wasn’t just a PP specialist out there. It doesn’t have me sold that he’s great in his own end yet, but it does give me confidence that he has the ability to do it. I knew Kuz had a good tourny, but I didn’t realize he was the second leading scorer. And just like last year, one Caps prospect starts slow, picks up steam the whole way, and ends up being one of the biggest players to keep Canada off the gold podium. Love it.
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When I saw Kuz take over the quarterfinal in the 3rd period and overtime, I saw a younger Datsyuk-Semin combo package. The puck handling at high speed was sick.
The ice will show everything.
When I saw Kuz be invisible for 55 minutes and then take over the last 5 and OT I saw a young Semin. And I was scared. And not in a good way (I don’t think).
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by Rob Parker on Jan 6, 2011 2:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This is where I come out. Kuznetzov has done far more to make me concerned than to make me excited. He’s got some serious growing up to do.
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by Gould Old Days on Jan 6, 2011 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
Man, we are a tough crowd. Guy is on the all-tournament team, single handedly wins them an elimination game, had a very good gold medal game, and was second leading scorer in the whole WJC and we are… more concerned than excited. Alex Semin has done a number on our psyche.
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Laichitor: "He has AIDS?"
Yeah, but it’s not just Semin. It’s Kovalev and Zherdev and Filatov and Kvasha and Yashin and Bure and Kozlov and Afinogenov and even Fedorov at times. The list of Russian players with jaw-dropping skill (yes, Kvasha had jaw-dropping skill), who could only manifest that skill on the ice inconsistently (or in the case of Kvasha, almost never) is long and winding. There’s a reason, beyond the KHL-NHL squabbles, that GMs are reluctant to draft Russians.
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Right, I’m just pointing to Semin because he’s front and center for us.
Oleg Kvasha. Hilarious. Funny that Milbury hates Russians considering he signed Yashin and traded for Kvasha.
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Semin, Kovalev, Malkin, and others… “The Russian Factor”. I think Kovalchuk gets a
You had me at no problem.
It’s not a “Russians” thing for me. We’ve seen the same from Canadians, from the U.S. Anybody who shows up when they choose to makes me nervous.
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by Gould Old Days on Jan 6, 2011 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
Orlov had moments last night that made me think, “Jesus, that guy’s going to drive me insane some day.” Which is positive in that it assumes he’ll be here some day, and negative in that, well, his decision-making could stand to be better.
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I’d like to see what he could do if he could get some room to actually let off his shot, but I can’t see that improving in the current NHL climate. But on the other hand, he will have more skilled guys getting him open looks.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 6, 2011 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed. Didn’t love his defensive play but I did love his skating, shot, and willingness to get physical. I just hope some AHL coaching can get his defensive reads up to par. With a little better positioning/reads I think a lot of those mistakes don’t happen. But, of course, I don’t really know the quality of the coaching he’s had so maybe he’s just not getting it.
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Laichitor: "He has AIDS?"
Ovi
At least they didn’t concentrate on Ovi’s scoring woes. We need a JapersRink slumpbuster ecumenical vigil or something :{
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by Langway's Legacy on Jan 6, 2011 7:42 AM EST reply actions
Maybe we can find someone willing to donate a stuffed penguin for a simulated animal sacrifice?
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jan 6, 2011 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
Woe. Canada.
Can’t believe the AP came up with that & no one here (I don’t think) did.
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by Langway's Legacy on Jan 6, 2011 7:44 AM EST reply actions
I can’t believe I turned that game off.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 6, 2011 7:49 AM EST up reply actions
Ooh, bad move there.
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I did this time. And I almost NEVER turn off blowouts. I watched that entire Bills/Oilers game in 93.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 6, 2011 8:05 AM EST up reply actions
You have to show patience! And just because our usual Russians are struggling doesn’t mean that all Russians everywhere are!
More seriously, does anyone think this shot of national pride maybe juices AO into some good luck?
/word choice deliberate.
by DrinkingPartner on Jan 6, 2011 8:51 AM EST up reply actions
Me too… When it hit 3-0. My wife had it on mute through the end, but never looked up…
RUSS-I-A! RUSS-I-A!
You had me at no problem.
I turned it off until I saw in the comments here that it was tied. Then I turned it back on and caught the last 2 goals.
There is no problem a hammer cannot either fix or make irrelevant.
I switched away to watch a Biggest Loser on DVR. Luckily, I had the buffer to go back and watch the first three goals.
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It was hard not to. The Russians couldn’t make a pass to save their asses and they were talking some pretty brutal body checks. I was left wondering how they made it to the gold medal game.
When they scored the go-ahead goal, I was wondering if the Russians strategy was to play only the last half of the game because the Canadians didn’t look like they knew what hit ‘em. Five unanswered goals is something I never thought I’d see last night.
The TSN boys had a hard time keeping their emotions in check but were very professional. They didn’t care for the direction the Russians took the trophy, that’s for sure.
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I didn’t catch any wjc games, but reading comments here and recaps I’m gathering, in short:
Good and above expectations: Schenn, Tarasenko, Kitsyn, Jarnok (though maybe not to us, ’cos we got our own Swedish scout), Campbell
Disappointments: ? I don’t know. Gudbranson’s name I haven’t seen too much.
Anybody else that should be on my radar shine or underwhelm?
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by red army line on Jan 6, 2011 8:01 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Orlov and Tarasenko
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Orlov looks like he is trying to steal it while Tarasenko isn’t looking too closely.
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by RockinRed4Life on Jan 6, 2011 8:51 AM EST up reply actions
That pass on the game tying goal from Kuznetsov was pretty frickin gorgeous. Can he play 2C? Can he play 2C now?
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by bilspacecadet on Jan 6, 2011 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
Siiiiiiick pass. I doubt he’s ready to play in the NHL now, despite the hints that the Caps think he might be. I’d like to see him play in the A first. He doesn’t have the kind of game that would translate directly to the NHL at 19. Mackan played solid D so he could overcome the lack of O. Kuz is all O and I’m skeptical that he can produce at such a young age.
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Saw him there in WJC. I’ve seen him listed as a RW (and RW/C), but some write-ups will usually drop the “but has played some center” line when referring to him.
I’d love for him to play C.
Flash also played center in juniors, though, for what it’s worth. A lot of centers get moved to the wing when they get to the NHL.
No, of course—I was snarking. But wow, his last two games have had quite a few Alex Semin style goosebump moments.
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by bilspacecadet on Jan 6, 2011 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
I thought De Haan was possibly the most disappointing Canadian. Obviously their goalies didn’t stand out either. I also expected Adam Larsson to be better, though he did pick up his game as the tournament progressed (thought he was the best Swedish D in the elimination game against Russia and pretty good against USA).
USA had a lot of disappointing players. Kreider (NYR), Morin (CHI), D’Amigo (he was especially disappointing, TOR), and Palmieri (great early, invisible against Canada and mostly against Sweden, ANA) all left me very underwhelmed.
I thought the Panthers had a nice tournament. Shore had a nice tournament, as did Bjugstad. Howden was great for Canada. The only one I think they’d want more from is Gudbranson. He completely botched the clear on the Russian GWG and in general didn’t look like the stay home stud he is billed to be and was used as by Canada. (An aside, Despres (PIT), had a nice and quiet tournament, but he got beaten to the net on that Russian GWG, a sin for a stay at home D. Don’t get your hopes up that he’ll bust, because he’s going to be good, but it made me feel good that the most high profile (maybe only) Pens prospect at the tournament was beaten in a big moment.)
CAR also will be happy. Faulk was possibly the best US D in the tournament and Dumoulin showed some very nice skating and offensive skills. Unfortunate where they ended up drafted.
As for this draft, the obvious guys already had names (Larsson, Couturier), but I really liked Rakell from Sweden, though we won’t be in a real position to draft him unless we reach. Frk from CZE also looked good, but isn’t draft eligible until 2012.
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by Rob Parker on Jan 6, 2011 1:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I don’t think there’s a way to link from mobile short of typing in the actual html, but I think there’s a good read on hockey prospectus about “heavy lifters” which is linked on the front page of btnhockey right now.
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by red army line on Jan 6, 2011 8:16 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Many people will be surprised to not see Sidney Crosby show up anywhere in this article. Remember that Heavy Lifters do more of the dirty work so that the stars can take offensive assignments. Datsyuk and Zetterberg are the exception, not the rule. The Sedin twins are extremely effective because they have players like Kesler and Burrows to let them focus more on the offensive end of the ice and against secondary competition.
No Caps included. Who is doing the “heavy lifting” so that stars like Ovechkin (or Semin or Backstrom) can shine?
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I think that with the Caps, it’s more of a team effort. It’s not any one player handling enough of the load to make the list.
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And if Boudreau doesn’t match lines, wouldn’t that effect those numbers?
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No doubt, but it appears that that won’t be the case in future.
by DrinkingPartner on Jan 6, 2011 8:54 AM EST up reply actions
Yes, but I gather its more who’s actually doing it rather than who can but isn’t. The Sedins had been handling reasonably tough minutes before Vigneault last season started planning to give them the easiest matchups possible.
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by red army line on Jan 6, 2011 8:59 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
<-- this guy
Can’t wait until Stamkos’ penalty shot wipeout makes it to youtube so he can immortilize it with an animated gif
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 6, 2011 8:56 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I kinda wish Fleury had a cartoon mouth that devoured the waffle afterward.
by DrinkingPartner on Jan 6, 2011 8:58 AM EST up reply actions
Or had some sort of waffle gun
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 6, 2011 8:58 AM EST up reply actions
Columbus has a waffle cannon.
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by Scott in Shaw on Jan 6, 2011 1:21 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
oh yeah
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Are they wheels, or are they waffles?
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jan 6, 2011 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
Still doesn't beat Kovalchuk
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by Killer_Carlson on Jan 6, 2011 2:47 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Gold.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 6, 2011 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
I think it does. That’s the worst PS/SO attempt I’ve ever seen. Not Semin, Fehr, Kovy, Wideman.
Drunk Guy: "Alex Ovechkin is playing more like Magic Johnson than Michael Jordan this year."
Laichitor: "He has AIDS?"
Watching the video, the announcers seem to think he messed up the sharping on the skate on the initial play, since he hits the boards fairly hard right-skate first…
At least that would explain what happened….that Kovalchuk one….just epic fail.
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by RockinRed4Life on Jan 6, 2011 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
Well Stamkos’ attempt was basically the same as Kovy’s plus a fall. But the Stamkos gif pales in comparison.
And Wideman still wins in worst PS/SO attempt ever. It’s not even close.
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by Killer_Carlson on Jan 6, 2011 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t know, maybe I’ve been desensitized to it.
Drunk Guy: "Alex Ovechkin is playing more like Magic Johnson than Michael Jordan this year."
Laichitor: "He has AIDS?"
I will never get tired of the Wideman shot.
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by Killer_Carlson on Jan 6, 2011 2:57 PM EST up reply actions
Link to video. I dunno how to make .gifs or I would do that part too.
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by RockinRed4Life on Jan 6, 2011 8:57 AM EST up reply actions
I know everyone’s all over Bruce for drinking a Bud Light after the game, but aren’t they an official sponsor? That could explain why it seemed to be everywhere.
"It's always good to have vikings."
Yep. Bud Light everywhere at Heinz.
Speaking of which, the ketchup dispensers at VC > ketchup dispensers at Heinz Field. Srsly.
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Probably because emailing the Rooneys with your condiment issues probably results in “what’s a bog” type conversations.
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Yeah. If only the Roonies could figure out how to be good owners like Ted.
Drunk Guy: "Alex Ovechkin is playing more like Magic Johnson than Michael Jordan this year."
Laichitor: "He has AIDS?"
They are both great owners, but in vastly different ways, and Ted is of a new generation of owners that has alot more direct interaction with fans.
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I respect Ted, but he’s got a long way to go before he gets into the same stratosphere as the Roonies. That’s one of the best ownership families in all of pro sports. Do you think Ted’s there?
Drunk Guy: "Alex Ovechkin is playing more like Magic Johnson than Michael Jordan this year."
Laichitor: "He has AIDS?"
No not at all, I don’t think its even possible to be there in the time he has owned the Caps. However he is in the top tier of owners in any sport when it comes to marketing, and the Caps have made great strides in the community with him as owner, especially with Kettler.
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Ted needs many championships to get on the Rooneys level, but it’s just a joke based on the report of somebody sending Ted all those emails about the mustard dispensers (plus a Friedgen/Sports Bog reference).
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Ted needs to be named Ambassador to Greece, then he’ll be there.
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by Scott in Shaw on Jan 6, 2011 5:27 PM EST up reply actions
Bylsma had a brewski as well. Shero gave him an underhand toss.
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Which I’m also fairly sure was a Bug Light
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 6, 2011 9:13 AM EST up reply actions
Didn’t look to me like the 16oz that BB got.
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Or Bud Light
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 6, 2011 9:14 AM EST up reply actions
Speaking of which, did they give out Bud Light tallboys to every single Canadian fan at the WJC? Seemed like EVERYONE was holding one.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 6, 2011 9:14 AM EST up reply actions
Bylsma should have been drinking an Iron City, no?
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They don’t even make Iron City in Pittsburgh any more. They make it in Latrobe, which is weird because Latrobe is synonymous with Rolling Rock, which they now make in the wilds of New Jersey.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 6, 2011 9:16 AM EST up reply actions
I like Rolling Rock.
But in the case of I.C., I was thinking purely marketing.
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Bud Light is the official beer of the NHL. Makes sense they would give him one.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 6, 2011 9:19 AM EST up reply actions
I grew up on Rolling Rock ponies….I don’t care if they make it in Mario Lemieux’ bathtub, I’ll never say anything bad about it.
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by ThePeerless on Jan 6, 2011 9:59 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
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.I don’t care if they make it in Mario Lemieux’ bathtub
“Who wants a bathtub mint julep?”
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 6, 2011 10:02 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
RR ponies are babies’ bottles in PA.
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by Scott in Shaw on Jan 6, 2011 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
Who is over BB for drinking a Bud Light? Shero and Bylsma shared one too.
Drunk Guy: "Alex Ovechkin is playing more like Magic Johnson than Michael Jordan this year."
Laichitor: "He has AIDS?"
I guess in BB’s case the outrage is that they didn’t deep fry the can.
"So if I drank a bottle of rum (not really, it was about 2/3 of a bottle) starting at 1p and continuing through the Caps game does that mean I need to do that every Caps game from here on?"
"I would, but I’d also get yourself onto the organ transfer list as well just in case."
by Bald Pollack on Jan 6, 2011 2:13 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
I’m just happy he didn’t coach the WC with one of the beer helmets on. I think it would have been hilarious if he came out for the Alumni Game like that, though.
Drunk Guy: "Alex Ovechkin is playing more like Magic Johnson than Michael Jordan this year."
Laichitor: "He has AIDS?"
God knows in between his hamming it up during the alumni game and the show , he’s climbing up the ladder of main heel pretty quickly.
"So if I drank a bottle of rum (not really, it was about 2/3 of a bottle) starting at 1p and continuing through the Caps game does that mean I need to do that every Caps game from here on?"
"I would, but I’d also get yourself onto the organ transfer list as well just in case."
Wow…. I have never seen this before. http://nhl.fanhouse.com/2011/01/05/viktor-stalberg-penalty-shot-hits-all-3-posts/
Stalberg got both posts and the crossbar, and somehow didn’t put it in. WTF.
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I loved that, but the “puck split in half” on Puck Daddy wins for most amazing thing I saw yesterday.
You had me at no problem.
Just watched that….damn…
There must have been so defect with the puck…I can’t imagine rubber doing that any other way…unless it was frozen in liquid nitrogen or something.
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by RockinRed4Life on Jan 6, 2011 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
Must be. Thousands and thousands of NHL games and this hasn’t happened? Has to be a defect, rather than a really hard shot or just the perfect angle.
I wish I could see the split puck up close!
You had me at no problem.
I feel like “the perfect angle” wouldn’t really exist considering the post is rounded and the puck is round…there isn’t a typical “weak spot” in something with no corners, or an especially sharp point to drive into the puck if the posts were squared off.
And rubber gives a LOT, the strength of the shot to do that, I imagine, would be much higher than that of a human slap shot.
Or maybe that guy is super-human with one hell of a lethal slap shot.
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by RockinRed4Life on Jan 6, 2011 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
Talk about snake-bit. A very “are you fucking kidding me?!?” moment.
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by RockinRed4Life on Jan 6, 2011 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
From Pensblog’s recap of 24/7:
As we already knew, the Pens didn’t seem too broken up about the Winter Classic.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 6, 2011 9:46 AM EST reply actions
hey, it’s just two points right?
never mind the “…really wanted to win that one…” from bylsma
Refs allow play to continue....
They destroyed the Bolts 8-1 when we went toe to toe with them for three periods for no goals and a loss in overtime. I think they’re over the WC now.
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Bolts played Roloson on consecutive nights, the second coming in the back-half of a back-to-back following what was probably their biggest game of the year to date (the Pens had four days off after another home game). They were set up for a slaughter.
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Good data point to have, thank you. I wasn’t able to follow the game and just saw the headline of the win.
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Watched the game. TB looked awful. Pittsburgh did not.
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I chalk that up to Pittsburgh being fired up/angry after the WC, and Tampa completely blowing their load the night before. Not that the Pens don’t own them anyway, but it was pretty magnified.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 6, 2011 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
Guy Boucher agrees with you. From the NHL.com recap:
“It was an emotional game and we gave everything,” Lightning coach Guy Boucher said of the win at Washington on Tuesday. “The first goal right away set the tone for the rest of the game. We had no juice, nothing, and they had everything.”
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I said to my wife on the way home from the game “TBL has Pittsburgh tomorrow. They’re going to get KILLED”
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 6, 2011 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
Tampa not only looked bad, most of them didn’t seem to care.
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by PensAreYourDaddy on Jan 6, 2011 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
The win the night before was so huge for them on multiple fronts, it’s hard to see TB upset over the PIT loss.
You had me at no problem.
Adam Hall was certainly happy about spoiling MAF’s shutout. He celebrated the goal to make it 7-1 like he had just won the winter classic or something.
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by PensAreYourDaddy on Jan 6, 2011 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
I celebrated that one pretty hard too. But I would have needed to chug yet another beer if MAF landed a shut out.
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You make that sound like a bad thing.
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by PensAreYourDaddy on Jan 6, 2011 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
It was a modified version of fantasy hockey. Everyone picks three players for the game. If your player scores, everyone else finishes their beer. If you pick a goalie, they drink on every save and chug a beer for the shutout. I had Crosby, Stamkos, MSL. Thought I was in good shape. Got absolutely hammered by the MAF, Malkin, Kunitz team. Fuck Kunitz. I really could not handle pounding another beer at that point, but really it was the pride of not having my opponent have the clean sweep.
Drunk Guy: "Alex Ovechkin is playing more like Magic Johnson than Michael Jordan this year."
Laichitor: "He has AIDS?"
That’s ridiculous. They looked like someone killed their puppies. Bylsma almost couldn’t speak, and as I said above, I thought Dupuis was going to cry.
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by Scott in Shaw on Jan 6, 2011 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
I’m sure if you rationally explain that to TPB they’ll change the recap and admit that it fucking stung.
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by Rob Parker on Jan 6, 2011 2:16 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Thanks; I’ll try that!
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by Scott in Shaw on Jan 6, 2011 5:29 PM EST up reply actions
James Mirtle Story on the Butterfly Style
Friend of the Rink James Mirtle has a good story today on J-S Giguere and the butterfly style and the toll it takes on the goaltender’s body. It’s worth the read.
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I remember reading something on that a while ago. Didn’t they basically have to reshape his hip bone so it fits into the socket differently?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 6, 2011 10:04 AM EST up reply actions
I believe so. Giguere offers the folowing quote in the story,
"Every time you go on your knees, you hit the ice so hard," Giguère said, demonstrating by smacking his hands together. "With that force, you can imagine, you’re maybe two or three feet from the ice and you hit it so hard, every time.
"It drives through your bone, hits the hip bone and there’s always a bone spur that’s formed. That can be really, really painful."
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by Rather Bengt on Jan 6, 2011 10:07 AM EST up reply actions
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As Giguere explodes down into the butterfly to stop the shot, his femur, the longest bone in his 6’1," 200-pound body, becomes a lever. Powered by his formidable muscles, the aspherical ball atop his femur is jammed into the cup of his hip joint with force akin to an Olympic weightlifter performing a clean and jerk, this according to research by McGill University and hockey equipment maker Nike Bauer. As Giguere flares his toes to wall off the bottom of the goal, the ball rotates inward, scraping away at the cartilage that pads the interior of the cup. Multiply that by 500 repetitions a day — Giguere’s estimate — and you start to feel sorry for the cartilage.
Philippon explained to Giguere that he had a classic case of femoroacetabular impingement, or FAI. That’s orthopedic lingo for, essentially, a square peg in a round hole. The condition is insidious because there are no nerves — thus no pain — in the cartilage. That enables a goalie to wear down the natural padding until bone scratches bone. By then, a hip replacement is the only treatment.
Giguere was lucky. Philippon arthroscopically fixed his torn labrum and shaved the head of his femur into a sphere before his hip was destroyed or his career impeded. Jordan Parise, the older brother of Devils’ winger Zach Parise, was unlucky
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 6, 2011 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
30 years from now, every goalie who has played in the NHL will either have had both hips replaced or will be getting around on a pair of canes.
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Didn’t Olie say it was his hip that kept him out of the alumni game?
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I just reached for my sides reading that.
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by Rather Bengt on Jan 6, 2011 10:18 AM EST up reply actions
Especially later in the article when it talks about how Parise’s labrum was such a mess, they had to attach it at three different points back to the bone.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 6, 2011 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
I’m going to take a guess that that’s why Olie Kolzig can’t get on the ice these days.
Butterfly goalies, as we saw with Ray Emery, are also at an increased risk for necrosis of the femur head.
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Isn’t that what happened to Bo Jackson?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 6, 2011 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
Yup
Following surgery and rehabilitation on his injured hip, it was discovered that Jackson had avascular necrosis, as a result of decreased blood supply to the head of his left femur. This caused deterioration of the femoral head, ultimately requiring that the hip be replaced. Amazingly, Jackson was able to return to baseball toward the end of the 1991 season as a member of the White Sox after the Royals released him. Jackson missed the entire 1992 baseball season. When he announced soon after his surgery that he would play baseball again, many thought that goal to be unrealistic, especially at the Major League level.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 6, 2011 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
Seriously. Him and Herschel Walker are probably the only two people who could have competed and starred in the NFL right out of high school.
Allegedly on that play against the Bengals, he felt his hip come out of the socket and he pushed it back in.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 6, 2011 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
I’m still terribly jealous that my brother saw Bo Jackson play baseball, and I never did.
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WTF OFB
Scratching my head on that one. Can’t have it both ways, and I’d rather have the offense be the problem at this stage rather than the defense.
Thing is, they’re generating chances and odd-man rushes.The Anaheim game at the end of the streak was full of jailbreaks. Ovie’s had two breakaways that he hasn’t converted (ANA and WC).
The state of the offense and particularly the PP is definitely frustrating and approaching troubling, but I’m not seeing or feeling “surrender.”
I do think there’s some validity to the assertion that this team isn’t “there” yet, which I thought was the theme of the article.
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The assertion is completely valid. They’re not ready for spring. The sense that this is ultimately doomed to fail is what I don’t get. All I know is I’d much rather work from this base.
I’m not concerned, either. We all saw what good “being ready for Spring in January” did for the Caps last season.
by mechanicsville on Jan 6, 2011 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
This is another reason why even if it is only the playoffs that matter, the regular season is important. It is harder to learn a new skill than to set aside a skill you learned and pick it up later. The Caps haven’t “unlearned” how to play offense, but perhaps they have needed to set it aside as they develop the skill to play a more efficient defensive game over the first 41 games so far.
The Caps get a bit of a scheduling break over the rest of the month. In their last ten games for the month they get Florida twice, Ottawa, the Islanders, Toronto — all games you would have to pencil in as “W’s.” The only really strong teams they have to face are Philadelphia and Vancouver. It will give them a chance to further hone those defensive skills. After the all-star break, though, I would hope the Caps play a more integrated sort of game in which their offense is more productive than it has been, especially on the power play.
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Only the playoffs matter to teams that won their divisions the year before…it’s put up or shut up time.
If your didnt win your division the year before, there is usually a goal to have a better regular season…you could even say Pittsburgh is a little grumpy they didnt win the division recently…no banners to open Consol was probably not accepted well.
Pitt has always had better competition in the Atlantic than the Southeast. This year, we may have the tougher division. Tampa and Philly are both conference contenders. Atlanta is probably better than NYR, Florida > NYI, Carolina > NJD.
Hopefully it makes us that much better.
You had me at no problem.
24/7 hypothetical:
If the series had started last night, rather than ended, would it have been anywhere near as compelling or good? I think part of the luster of the series is that we were getting near-immediate feedback on the games we’d just watched only a couple of days before. If it’d started last night, and the first episode was entirely about the doldrums we were in during the streak, would it have been less intriguing?
Point being, if we re-watch this series over the summer (well, maybe that’s a bad example, considering we’ll all be hockey starved), will it be just as interesting?
by DrinkingPartner on Jan 6, 2011 10:32 AM EST reply actions
Sure. Under the surface HBO was shooting and put this together with a story in mind, I’d say you can come back to it with a different perspective and have a different thought or two on it.
"So if I drank a bottle of rum (not really, it was about 2/3 of a bottle) starting at 1p and continuing through the Caps game does that mean I need to do that every Caps game from here on?"
"I would, but I’d also get yourself onto the organ transfer list as well just in case."
by Bald Pollack on Jan 6, 2011 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
Do you think HBO have bothered with it if it were an after-the-fact deal?
by DrinkingPartner on Jan 6, 2011 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
Not sure what you mean. If it the focus was post-WC, I don’t see why not. It’s still a look into the room into a season that’s continually in motion. From the AV Club link I put up earlier:
The producers and editors took the stories they were given instead of crafting their own (as the promo department largely tended to), evidenced by the focus on Jordan Staal. Logic might say to not bother: Staal was largely a non-entity in the game, thus factoring only minimally into the series’ so-called climax. And yet in the larger scale of the season, his comeback is a momentous occasion, one worthy of both mention and recognition. It is a brief moment of narrative payoff in an episode that otherwise gestures toward the fact that this is not, in fact, over.
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"I would, but I’d also get yourself onto the organ transfer list as well just in case."
by Bald Pollack on Jan 6, 2011 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
I thought it fit well myself. They showed all the injury and toughness stuff throughout and here was a guy coming back who you could tell wanted to play badly.
I still think the worst segment narrative wise was the Caps goalies/Irbe from the 2nd episode
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my feed cut out and I never saw that part. A little bummed, because who doesn’t love Irbe?
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No one. My point was it didn’t fit the storyline. It was like they expected the Caps goalies to become a story later, so they wanted to make sure to introduce them. It felt forced and out of place. It was similar to things that HBO/NFL Films have done in Hard Knocks, but it fits better in that show because of how they follow guys they introduce throughout in camp or in a specific episode. Hope that makes sense.
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Caps Practice
Anyone know if they are going to have one tomorrow morning? I’m thinking about taking my brother (home from law school), since he’s never been to one before.
"Hey, atta dinnin stick a who!"
I would think they would have practice because they already had Wednesday off.
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Yeah, it seems that everytime I go to Kettler when the Caps arent on the road they have a morning skate/practice around 11:00. I’ll probably go out to Kettler anyways to get my skates sharpened, but it would be nice for my brother to see the team up close.
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No time provided, but Katie tweeted about a Friday Practice (per Bruce).
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Uh Oh
CHEEKTOWAGA, NY – Members of Team Russia were kicked off their flight early Thursday morning for being drunk, and are now sobering up at a nearby hotel.
According to police, the players were thrown off of a Delta flight scheduled to leave Buffalo-Niagara International Airport because members of the team were intoxicated.
Team members were seen sitting in the baggage claim area after their flight took off.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 6, 2011 10:45 AM EST reply actions
hahahaha
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by twistedlogic on Jan 6, 2011 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
Wait. They aren’t old enough to drink. How can this happen?
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Brian Burke wants to sign them all, says, “you can’t teach that kind of truculence.”
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WGRZ has a Cell phone pic.
"So if I drank a bottle of rum (not really, it was about 2/3 of a bottle) starting at 1p and continuing through the Caps game does that mean I need to do that every Caps game from here on?"
"I would, but I’d also get yourself onto the organ transfer list as well just in case."
by Bald Pollack on Jan 6, 2011 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
Love it!
And damn, who the hell is writing from Cheektowaga? Is that where RUS was staying?
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I’m assuming that’s the hotel they detained them in
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 6, 2011 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I was going to say Cheektowaga sucks, but then I realized the alternative is Buffalo.
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Neither of them are as awesome as Utica.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 6, 2011 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
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I like Utica! It’s where Superintendent Chalmers is from.
And the Utica Devils had a cool logo
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 6, 2011 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
I regret that I never went to a Utica Devs game while I was in that area.
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by CapitalCentre on Jan 6, 2011 9:54 PM EST up reply actions
I’ve been to Utica. Utica is a place I’ve been. Cheektowaga is no Utica.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 6, 2011 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
Utica is a mess. Not a lot of places in upstate NY that ever made me feel unsafe, but Utica is one.
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Only been to Utica once to visit Matt Brewing.
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Sorry for breaking the /end OT/ but I have to respond that my grandmother worked at the FX Matt brewery for 40 years. While she’s been gone for a while now, sometimes my family still gets discounts at the brewery shop.
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kcarrera Alex Ovechkin is wearing a gold practice jersey, which usually signifies no contact. #Caps
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Gee, why might AO being wearing gold today?
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Perhaps he has some sort of “headache”?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 6, 2011 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
Matches his bling?
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I like the humor, but it looks like it could be in error.
cmasisak22 Oveckin is acting solely as a forechecker in this drill and keeps taking his left hand off his stick. Took a shot one-handed after a steal.
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My money is on him getting way over-excited when Russia won, and injuring himself celebrating.
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If it had been the right hand, I would have said maybe it happened in last Saturday's celebration...
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by PensAreYourDaddy on Jan 6, 2011 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
Flagged!
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by PensAreYourDaddy on Jan 6, 2011 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
Laichitor’s just busting balls, it’s all good.
"So if I drank a bottle of rum (not really, it was about 2/3 of a bottle) starting at 1p and continuing through the Caps game does that mean I need to do that every Caps game from here on?"
"I would, but I’d also get yourself onto the organ transfer list as well just in case."
Of course it’s flagged. Steelers can’t buy a fucking call. Roughing the passer my ass.
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by Rob Parker on Jan 6, 2011 2:33 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Which hand did Weber get with that slash in the last preseason game?
cmasisak22 Boudreau said he thinks whatever it is (he wouldn’t say but the wrist is a good bet, obviously) has been bothering Ovechkin for a while.
Weber got the left hand twice.
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I would imagine if it turns out that’s been the problem all year, next meeting with Nashville (next season I’m assuming) isn’t going to be pretty.
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How so? Teams that meet each other once a year don’t carry too many grudges and furthermore, there’s nobody on your roster that can hit or fight (King could, maybe, but if he gets dressed solely for that than I’ll take it) with Weber. Non-issue.
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Erskine could take Weber in a fight, and I’ll take that trade 100 times out of 100. Not that anything will happen, just sayin’ is all.
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by Killer_Carlson on Jan 6, 2011 5:56 PM EST up reply actions
I think we agree that its a mountain out of a mole hill, but as for your other premise, not convinced. Weber’s 6’4 and change, 225. Have you seen him fight?
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I’ve never seen him fight someone the same quality as Belak, that’s for sure. No doubt Lilja leaves men quaking in their boots, but Erskine’s fight card is quite a bit more impressive.
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Not contesting that at all – just saying that the man is one of the toughest defensemen in the NHL, regardless of the fight card. (which is, fwiw – Downie, Kesler, Umberger, Strudwick, Wellar, Rome, Lapierriere, Torres, Moen.)
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He’s definitely tough as hell. I wouldn’t count him out against Erskine, just saying I doubt Erskine will fear him.
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Erskine’s 6’4" 219 and his fight card has Rupp, Lucic, Boutlon, Koci, Laraque, and Thornton just between this season and the last. Throw in Peters, Brookbank, Godard and Belak if you want to go back a couple more years.
I’ve seen Weber fight and he’s a great fighter for a star player. But he doesn’t go against heavyweights. Erskine does and handles himself quite well.
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by Killer_Carlson on Jan 6, 2011 6:09 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, and honestly, Erskine slipped my mind when I mentioned it – but while you’d have to favor Big John, I think it’d be close. I’m certainly biased but Weber may be the best “star” at fighting in the league right now. I just don’t like for him to do it.
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You’d hate for your captain to hurt his hand.
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Related: the Ripken/Ovie article form the clips includes a quip from Ovie about how he was “broken” last year. I don’t remember him being injured (but then again, I am senile). Was there a publicized injury last year or is this a minor revelation?
Chimera dinged up Ovie’s Shoulder in a scrum, when Chimera was with Columbus, remember? Missed 6 games.
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I shouldn’t talk about my job too much, but it should be noted that Canada’s epic collapse against Russia last night was such a big deal that high-up folk at State Department were analyzing it this morning in regards to US-Canada relations.
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lol, really? I have to go by the Canadian embassy today……
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sure it's been discussed before but re: Orlov, Kuznetsov, Eakin
what are the chances they are on the 11-12 roster? Have to admit, my mind was spinning after last night’s game about where they’d fit in… even thinking of line combinations and who would have to leave.
so more like 12-13 and beyond?
Eakin looks almost ready, in my eyes, and he’s only seven months younger than MarJo…the other guys I’m sure have KHL issues
by DonnieKnutts on Jan 6, 2011 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
I can’t imagine any of the three not needing some time in Hershey, and I don’t think the North American arrival date for either Russian is until 2112-13, IIRC (could be wrong on Orlov).
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American arrival date for either Russian is until 2112-13
I guess what you’re saying is there’s no need to “Rush” them up here?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 6, 2011 11:44 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Ha. Oops. Maybe they’ll be here a hundred years or so sooner.
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by Bald Pollack on Jan 6, 2011 11:46 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
From Malin’s interview:
JR: I read that you are thinking about playing in North America next season.
Dmitri Orlov (via Kuznetsov): Dmitri says that next season he goes to NHL. He plays one year of his contract and then he pays money for one year and the next year we play together in Washington – five Russian guys on the same team.
Yeah, he has two more years left on his contract. He’s said a couple of times that he’d like to buy out the last year, but I’m not so sure the Caps mind him staying in Russia a little longer with the hope that he gets a bit bigger and stronger. Also, since the Caps have four defensemen signed through 2013 (none of whom are named “Green” or “Carlson”) I wouldn’t be surprised if they let him stew a little bit longer.
Capgeek says three (Alzner’s RFA this year; fortunately Sloan’s only signed through 2012). Add Alzner, Green and Carlson obviously being re-signed and what the hell is going on with the defesne for the next two years? There’s no room at the inn unless someone moves to a new home.
"It's always good to have vikings."
I’ve been wondering if Mike Green will depart for other pastures. With his offensive numbers declining for the second straight year, and the emergence of Carlson (right handed shot, puck moving, plays PK and PP), doesn’t 52 look more expendable than would have been thinkable at this point two years ago?
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doesn’t 52 look more expendable than would have been thinkable at this point two years ago?
Yes
I’ve been wondering if Mike Green will depart for other pastures.
No (and isn’t there a color typically used to describe said pastures?).
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I can’t see him taking a pay cut; I also can’t see how the Caps can afford to give him much of a raise.
Ah, who the hell am I kidding, no way the club just walks away from a guy like him.
Forget I mentioned it.
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He’s still RFA at the end of this deal, I believe. I see your point from before. It seems like at the end of this deal, he may have more value to another team than the Caps.
by JimCareyFanClub on Jan 6, 2011 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
Open question is whether he takes the hometown discount to stay.
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Well we all know Semin is taking a discount to stay with his boy Ovi, so won’t Green take a discount to stay with Laich?
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I’d say Nicky has usurped Laich. Didn’t you see who got invited to a Swedish Christmas?!
by DrinkingPartner on Jan 6, 2011 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
I think Nicky and Green go out a lot together to the sports bars and all, sometimes with Ovie. Also, it was hard to tell, but I think it was Nicky’s family sitting at Green’s table at the New Year’s Eve dinner on 24/7.
In all seriousness, I think the hometown discount issue will be greatly impact by playoff success. The farther the team gets, the more likely it is that they come back at a reasonable price.
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Disagree. Win a cup, and a lot of players will feel free to walk, having accomplished the goal.
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And a lot of them look more attractive to other teams. I call it the “Marty Lapointe” syndrome.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 6, 2011 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
I closed up Capgeek, but isn’t he still RFA at the end of his contract?
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Yes. The Caps could take him to arb if his numbers are pedestrian, of course. Or they could trade him.
I’ve come to my senses, though. Just based on the fact that he’s a Top-4 D and in his mid-twenties, no way the club doesn’t keep him around. Those guys don’t grow on trees.
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Pay cut? He probably gets a raise if he’s UFA.
Being RFA, we can hope that he’ll be willing to sign for 4+ more years at his current salary. Given what defensemen are getting these days(GONCHAR got more, for god’s sake), we’d be lucky to get that.
Of course, if we can’t come to terms, at least we know we can get full value for him.
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who knows what to make of Green. Although sometimes I wonder if he would bolt at the first opportunity to follow Bruce.
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by Knee high to a duck on Jan 6, 2011 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
I’d rather they stew in Hershey than Russia. Don’t love the coaching or the ice time they get there.
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If they stew in Hershey, they get coached in English, which neither Orlov nor Kuznetsov speak well, and they burn years on their entry-level deals. Staying in Russia a little bit longer gives them more time to develop physically, to play against men, and to learn. They then come over and are on an entry level deal that starts when they’re 21 and ends when they’re 24, rather than starting at 20 and ending at 23.
I’d rather they deal with the English now. They have to learn it eventually and I doubt they’ll be in a better position to learn it in Russia.
I also don’t think they are getting coaching in Russia that is going to help them in the NHL. The longer we delay the transition, the further they are away.
The KHL buries kids on the bench. Kuz (as of a week or two before WJCs) was the leading forward scorer on his team with very little ice. The announcers at the WJC were marveling at how much ice Orlov was able to get… 18 minutes a game. That’s considered a TON of time for someone his age. They aren’t really trying to develop these guys. Are you positive that we burn an ELC year if they spend the entire year in Hershey? It would suck, but I’d still be willing to do that.
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by Rob Parker on Jan 6, 2011 4:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Nope, you’re right – they don’t burn years off of their ELCs in Hershey. It’s NHL games, not professional games, that matter.
They do burn years off of their entry level contract, but not off of their time until UFA. The ELC is just their first contract, so Alzner and Perreault are both in the last year of their ELC even though most of it was spent in the AHL.
Now if they spend their whole ELC in the AHL they obviously won’t get a huge 2nd contract like Backstrom did, but their 2nd contract won’t be capped the way it is with ELCs.
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by Killer_Carlson on Jan 6, 2011 6:02 PM EST up reply actions
and they burn years on their entry-level deals.
This cuts both ways. UFA status occurs both with years played or age. If they aren’t developing quickly enough in the KHL and they get here and need three years to reach maturity, we’ll still lose them to FA status before we can get our money’s worth.
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by D'ohboy on Jan 6, 2011 4:10 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
getting them to Hershey will jump-start their English (Kuznetsov’s is ok, isn’t it? Didn’t he appoint himself Orlov’s translator at some tourney in Europe during the fall?). Plus, the AHL isn’t exactly a soft league. If you want them playing against men and learning how to take a bruising hit, a place where to motto seems to be “keep playing unless you knock someone’s head off!” would be the place to go.
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found it! Malin did this interview with Kuznetsov in English back in September. Skimming the comments, I see I asked Malin about his English and apparently he’s really committed to learning the language.
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He seemed very eager to learn. Maybe I should follow his example for as I learned today – my English suck.
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I said nothing about your English comprehension. And how do you think I feel by not being able to clarify the comparisons I was trying to make?
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And how do you think I feel by not being able to clarify the comparisons I was trying to make?
I’m guessing pretty frustrated? I know that feeling well, that’s how I feel when I can’t phrase myself exactly the way I want to in English. And because of that I might be a tad bit oversensitive when I think people are making fun of my language skills, hence my need to whine about it, which in hindsight wasn’t really necessary.
The bottom line here is that I don’t think we have a problem with each other at all. I have always enjoyed reading your stuff and my feeling is that you felt the same way about me, at least in the past.
So what to do about it? My solution is pretty simple:
Hugs?
( If you do want to discuss this further email me because I don’t think anyone other then you and me are interested in reading this.)
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I see Eakin’s potential as trade bait greater than in a Caps uni. He played great on the big stage in front of scouts from all the teams in the NHL. I’m sure many of them were loving what they saw, and would perhaps be willing to offer quite a bit for him, even if he is just a 3-4 line player (something we have plenty of in Hershey).
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that's what i was thinking, too
Eakin’s value is going to be high now. He could even be moved at this coming trade deadline, perhaps
by DonnieKnutts on Jan 6, 2011 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
I’ve wondered if an Eakin, Orlov or Kuznetsov might be a movable piece this year if GMGM gets bold. Reason being, you’d be moving a non-roster piece (and one that won’t help you for the next couple of years, at least), which is in many ways easier than moving, say, MP85.
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Kuz probably wouldn’t mind going to NYR in a package involving Dubi.
by DrinkingPartner on Jan 6, 2011 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
Dubi would be awesome to get
but NYR won’t trade him…and Russians seem to fail at MSG for some reason
by DonnieKnutts on Jan 6, 2011 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
Who’s out there worth moving one of those guys for? They seem like over payment for another Scott Walker-type guy.
by JimCareyFanClub on Jan 6, 2011 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
Assuming FLA is out of the playoff picture (which isn’t a lock, of course) then maybe Weiss?
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I don’t think they will be, because the bottom of the conference is really, really, really terrible. They’ll hover around 8-9-10 all season.
There’s zero chance Vokoun comes back there next year, so I’m guessing they move him anyway.
The guys I would want on Jersey or the Island probably aren’t getting traded.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 6, 2011 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
Isn’t it a fait d’accompli that we’re getting Malkin from the Kings for Semin?
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Might be nice to weasel Anton Babchuk out of Calgary if the PP keeps shitting the bed (low cap hit, expiring after this year). I wouldn’t give up anything of significance for him, though. Maybe a guy like Bouchard?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 6, 2011 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
If GMGM wants to get aggressive, his drafting will no doubt help him:
Bouchard, Miskovic, Eakin, Wey, Orlov, Kuznetsov, Perreault, Beagle, A. Gordon
These guys can be packaged with each other or with picks to pluck someone, hopefully of appropraite value.
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Misko and Beagle weren’t drafted – they were free agent signings.
The Caps have actually shown great acumen with free agent NCAA signings.
Fair enough – but I think the point still stands on having an arsenal with which to deal with.
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Gonna throw a flag on Bouchard…
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In terms of not having value or not wanting to trade?
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15 picks before Boston took Lucic.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 6, 2011 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
Indeed… On the bright side, we also got Nicky, Varly, and Neuvy in that draft.
by DrinkingPartner on Jan 6, 2011 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
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Also swung and missed two other times in the second round (Keith Seabrook and Oskar Osala)
1 4 Nicklas Backstrom
1 23 Simeon Varlamov
2 34 Michal Neuvirth)
2 35 Francois Bouchard
2 52 Keith Seabrook
4 97 Oskar Osala
4 122 Luke Lynes (C/LW)
5 127 Maxime Lacroix )
6 157 Brent Gwidt (
6 177 Mathieu Perreault ©
Can’t win em all, I guess.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 6, 2011 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
Oh shit, completely blanked on Matty. Pretty good draft, really, eh?
by DrinkingPartner on Jan 6, 2011 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
Yup. I would say. Anytime you get 3 legit NHLers (and Perreault) out of a draft, that’s a good one.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 6, 2011 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
Jury’s still out on him being a legit NHLer.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 6, 2011 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
OO was a 4, but point stands. GMGM has been pretty bad in the 2nd round.
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The only player drafted by GMGM a) after the first round b) who has played more than 100 NHL games c) in a Caps uniform iiiiiiiiiiis…
Matt Pettinger.
That’s a pretty horrid track record for someone who’s been in charge of drafting and developing players for 12 years.
But he’s made up for it with trades and free agent acquisitions of young players. I think overall his record is pretty good.
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by Gould Old Days on Jan 6, 2011 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
For what it’s worth, only a few other players drafted after the first round by GMGM have played more than 100 NHL games. These are as follows:
Sami Lepisto (4th round, 2004; 105 GP)
Nathan Paetsch (2nd round, 2001; 167 GP)
Johnny Oduya (7th round, 2001; 342 GP)
Matt Pettinger (2nd round, 2000; 422 GP)
Krys Barch (4th round, 1999; 229 GP)
Of those players, the only ones who were ever in the Caps organization were Lepisto, Pettinger, and Barch. Paetsch and Oduya never signed with the Caps (and, to be honest, they had good reasons for not signing Oduya; he was a little bit of a wild man in juniors).
But it’s all balanced by his particularly good results in the first round. Putting aside the whole “ZOMG we coulda shoudla had Getzlaff insted off Fehr” crowd, there’s a reason the team has 1st rounders from top to bottom, Boyd Gordon through Ovi. Add the young free agents (Steckel, Beagle, etc.) and his record looks pretty good. For everything he’s done poorly, including late-round-drafting, he’s done more well.
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by Gould Old Days on Jan 6, 2011 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I guess I’m coming off a little harsher than I mean to be, here. And honestly, it seems like things are getting better. Some of the Capitals’ later round picks over the last four years seem to be promising picks – guys like Michal Neuvirth, Mathiew Perreault, Braden Holtby, Cody Eakin, Dmitri Orlov, Brett Fleming, Phil DeSimone, and Stan Galiev were all 2nd-or-later picks made in the past four years. The Caps seem to have a much better scouting department than they did six or seven years ago.
I don’t think it’s entirely GMGM’s fault. My guess is more that the budget for scouting wasn’t exactly where it needed to be.
Yeah. There’s a problem when a guy was drafted 35th overall 5 years ago, and hasn’t played a single NHL game.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 6, 2011 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
I can see Tallon continuing with the tear-down if the team is 9th or 10th at the end of February, though. If they’re going to trade Vokoun, and if Weiss isn’t going to be part of the picture in 3 years’ time, then maybe…
Anyway, just rosterbation.
At the end of the day, what I think is that any significant trade will involve a C coming back to the Caps. Big revelation, I know.
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Vokoun and Weiss both have NMC’s.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 6, 2011 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
Have to believe they would waive to come to DC.
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Not always the case. Some guys like where they are.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 6, 2011 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
I’m pretty sure in their case they’d waive it, especially Vokoun who indications are doesn’t have a future in FLA after this season anyway. Not that I think the Caps will trade for him mind you.
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He’s been in the league for 12 years, and has played exactly 11 playoff games. Ouch.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 6, 2011 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
NMCs just don’t mean all that much, when it comes to a trade. Burke won’t ask a guy to waive one, but other GMs are not so reticent; and if the GM asks, the player is in an awfully tough spot. See, Simon Gagne.
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Burke doesn’t ask. He tells. “You have a choice: AHL or NHL.”
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I was referring to the D, whose name escapes me right now for some reason, the one that everyone thought they were going to trade, had a NMC…Kaberle, that’s who it was.
Anyway, Burke said in the midst of all the speculation that he doesn’t believe in asking players to waive a NMC.
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Tallon’s in full-on rebuild mode, and there’s some talk that he’s even trying to move David Booth. I would guess that Weiss isn’t untouchable if the Caps can put together a good package of prospects.
FWIW, I read in Lebrun’s chat yesterday that Tallon is thinking about resigning Vokoun at this point. Seems like smoke and mirrors, but who knows.
by JimCareyFanClub on Jan 6, 2011 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
Doesn’t make sense to me.
Put Markstrom in, clean house. You’re not going to turn the thing around overnight like Atlanta did.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 6, 2011 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
Ouch. Didn’t realize Vokoun was 34. Yea, can’t see Florida committing to him. Markstrom will definitely be ready by the time they get their prospects to the big club.
by JimCareyFanClub on Jan 6, 2011 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
I was stunned when I learned Nabokov was 35.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 6, 2011 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
There just aren’t any guys with expiring contracts that are worth taking on. Looking on Cap Geek, Joni Pitkanen is a free agent at the end of the year. Any chance the Caps make a move for him?
Stephen Weiss has a 3.1MM contract hit two years after this year. With Alzner, Carlson, and Varlamov all being RFA during that time, can the Caps afford to bring on another contract like this? I think the answer is yes, and possibly another player (top 6 winger) and let Semin walk.
by JimCareyFanClub on Jan 6, 2011 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
I wouldn’t cry if any of them were shipped out. Orlov might be the one I’d least mind leaving, but we are thin at D. Eakin seems like a great junior player that won’t have nearly the same scoring potential in the pros. But maybe that’s wrong, he sure can skate and shoot. Kuz has the most upside, but if he’s another inconsistent skill guy maybe it’s best to save the grief and get a player that helps now. I definitely think those are the 3 best chips we have right now (aside from a 1st round pick or roster player).
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Believe Kuz still has another year in Russia on a KHL deal, Cody would have been in Hershey this past year were it not for his age (had to go back to the Broncos) and Orlov would benefit from a year of NA hockey at the AHL level.
That said, they all look to be able to contribute to the organziation eventually if their development stays on this path.
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Happy Birthday Richard Zednik
Richard Zednik represented Slovakia at the WJC in 1993 and 1994 and showed enough promise that the Caps made him their 10th round choice (249th overall) in the 1994 draft, perhaps with hopes of finding the next Peter Bondra. Moving to the CHL and playing two seasons with the Portland Winterhawks, the quick centre scored 35+ goals each year and made the 2nd All-Star Team for the WHL West in 1996.
Zednik bounced back and forth between the Caps and their AHL Portland Pirates affiliate a bit before finding a spot on the NHL squad permanently in 1997-1998. Zed scored 17g 9a in 65 games that year and added another 7 goals in the Caps Stanley Cup run that post season. With his long hair, quickness, good shot Zednik was a visible presence when on the ice. Unfortunately his goal scoring instinct was never always on. Definitely a streak player, there were times one would think Zed would go on a tear and you would think he was the next Bondra. Then he would go cold and you would think he was the next Dimitri Khristich. In his five seasons with the Caps, Zednik never scored more than 19 goals or 35 points. He ended up being shuttled off to the Habs in 2000-2001 with Jan Bulis and a first rounder for Trevor Linden and Danias Zubrus.
With the Habs, Zednik had his most productive years scoring 50 points twice and breaking the 30 goal plateau once (31 goals in 2002-2003). The Habs traded him back to the Caps in 2006 for a 3rd rounder and he played 32 games here in his second stint in 2006-2007. He only mustered 18 points in his second time around and he was sent to NYI for a second rounder (who became Feds trade bait Teddy Ruth). Zed played out the season there before moving onto Florida and then the KHL where he played until summer of 2010.
Zednik may be remembered most of a couple things with the Caps. On December 5, 1997 he was the first ever player to score at the newly-opened MCI Center. And on October 31, 2000 Zednik was the part of a cool Caps promotion put on by a local radio station. From Wikipedia,
On October 31, 2000, a local Washington, D.C. radio station, DC101, had a promotion in which they offered fans a free ticket and Zedník jersey if they dyed their hair blond as Zedník had in the off-season. It was Zedník’s first game off of a suspension. Two-hundred “Zed Heads” attended the game at which Zedník scored his first career hat trick against the Detroit Red Wings, who had not lost in Washington in ten years
Unfortunately what Zednik may best be remembered for is his horrific injury when playing with the Panthers. In a game against the Sabres, his cartoid external artery was accidentally slashed by teammate Olli Jokinen’s skate. Zednik lost 5 units of blood and required emergency surgery to save his life. The same Sabres trainer who helped save Clint Malarchuk’s life in a similar on-ice incident years before also came to the rescue in Zed’s case. The video link is not for the squeamish (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjoByuFt1_8).
A much more memorable Zednik highlight is the awesome leaping goal he scored as a Panther vs the Isles in 2009 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjoByuFt1_8) which encapsulates the excitement and speed of Zednik at his best. Holy jumpin’ indeed.
Happy 35th Zed!
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by Rather Bengt on Jan 6, 2011 11:31 AM EST reply actions 12 recs
Your Caps birthday rewinds this week have made this long time fan smile. Keep doing these please!
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by Rather Bengt on Jan 6, 2011 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
The second link of Zednik's amazing goal
Should be http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnRXvhtDTKY. My apologies for the error
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by Rather Bengt on Jan 6, 2011 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
Good stuff! I’m still waiting for the Zednick-Bulis-Svejkovsky (sp?) line to click. Those boys are our future!
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Smash or Trash: Mike Commodore
Mike Commodore wants out of CBJ
Anyone interested? His cap hit for each of the next two years is 3.75 per.
I go “trash”. Too expensive.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 6, 2011 11:41 AM EST reply actions
I mean come on
Definitely trash.
Much better options with much better hair
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by Rather Bengt on Jan 6, 2011 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
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I would want him if only BECAUSE of the awesome hair.
And the bathrobe.
And this
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 6, 2011 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
Honestly, I could see that being the uniform he ends up wearing. The Canes have a handful of good puck-moving prospects who could help out Columbus, and he’s a known quantity there.
And they love recycling guys (Corvo, Cole, etc.).
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He would probably be an upgrade at 6/7 over Erskine, no?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 6, 2011 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
Erskine is under contract for next year,and I’ve been happy with his play. I don’t see Commodore replacing him.
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On this team? He probably is. Which is why I voted “trash”
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 6, 2011 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
He’s on waivers now. You can get him for half, right? Or is that only re-entry?
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Believe that’s re-entry.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 6, 2011 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
I think that would be a little less than two, and he’s on the book for next year as well.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 6, 2011 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
Should be “the next two years”
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 6, 2011 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
Not in favor anyway, but two years would scare me off.
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Ron Wilson, speaking of Evgeny Kuznetsov, quoted by Elliotte Friedman, by way of Twitter
“Dynamic. When he decided he was going to make a difference, he did it…Like Ovechkin…then you find out He’s with Washington, too. You’re kidding.”
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Guess Ron wasn’t paying attention to the first round of the draft (gee, wonder why).
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by bagace on Jan 6, 2011 11:47 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I hope Ron was speaking rhetorically, as the generic hockey observer, then the last “you’re kidding” comment being one of “Washington has Ovechkin AND Kuznetsov?…you gotta be kidding” as a way of conveying the embarrassment of riches the Caps have.
We hope…
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same here. And maybe a little bit of “Damn, wish I was still coaching in Washington.”
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Here’s Wilson’s full quote (also compares him to Semin)
From everything I could see, I know Brayden Schenn played great, but the most dynamic player in that whole tournament was Kuznetsov. When he decided he was going to make a difference in the game, he certainly could, he turned the switch on. In the last five minutes of all the other games, he was a dominant player. He did it yesterday, he was unbelievable, almost unstoppable when he got going. He looked like an Ovechkin, or a Semin, then you find out he’s [drafted by] Washington — you’re kidding. He was pretty dynamic.
Definitely liked that version of the quote better. Still don’t like the “flip the switch” attitude.
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His first game vs. Canada was God-awful. I know you didn’t think it was quite so bad, but I thought it was just downright terrible. Obviously, that’s why you don’t base scouting opinions on one game, but still. He was so inconsistent game-to-game and period to period.
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Right, and that was my concern.
I didn’t love that first game against Canada but I thought he had some moments. I thought the game against Sweden may have been his best all around effort, but obviously that Finnish game was his shining moment.
You have to be careful judging on one game, especially early. Lots of guys have taken a while to get their legs in this tournament and then ended up being stand outs. Including John Carlson.
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Laichitor: "He has AIDS?"
"Dynamic. When he decided he was going to make a difference, he did it…Like Ovechkin…then you find out He’s with Washington, too. You’re kidding."
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 6, 2011 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
“I know we like to make Kuzy the scapegoat around here but as long as he turns it on in the playoffs, who cares?”
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by Kolzilla on Jan 6, 2011 3:15 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Devorski's NG explanation
I am not up on the rules but did Devorski’s explanation make sense when queried by Ovi as to why no goal? Something along the lines of “it is either no goal or a penalty on you…he didn’t have chance to get back to his crease” and Ovi skated away without a word (something another Captain just north could learn…but I digress).
But he did get back to his crease in time to make a diving attempt on a clear.
Basically I am confused on this ruling (and forgive me as I am sure this was talked about a lot on Sat. but the ref’s explanation last night left me pondering.
Yes, it makes sense.
You can’t make contact with the goalie in a way that impedes his ability to make a save. AO got tangled up with Fleury, which prevented Fleury from getting back into the crease in a timely manner.
If the contact is “incidental”, then any goal is washed out and play restarts with a faceoff.
If the contact is intentional, then it’s a penalty for interference.
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That was my question last night…Flower was definitely back in the crease and made a play on the puck prior to Ovi’s goal. I think the explanation should have been…“we waived off a Pitt goal in the 2nd and if we dont waive yours off our dead bodies are gonna take a ride up the duquesne incline and buried somewhere in the mountains.”
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I thought it was the right call. Fleury was late getting back to his crease, so he had to dive, and that put him out of position for AO’s “goal”.
The goalies are such easy targets, if you let teams make “accidental on purpose” contact with them when they leave the crease, it would be a shooting gallery out there.
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Is there a point at which goalies are fair game? I mean, he can’t come out to the red line to make a pass and not expect someone to come at him, can he?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 6, 2011 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
Under the rules, I don’t think so.
You can’t hit the goalie while in his crease at all, unless pushed in by an opponent.
You can’t intentionally hit the goalie at any place on the ice.
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You can’t hit the goalie while in his crease at all, unless pushed in by an opponent.
Unless you play for the NHL’s Washington Capitals, at which point you will quickly and surely be whistled for a penalty.
by DrinkingPartner on Jan 6, 2011 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
In all cases in which an attacking player initiates intentional or deliberate contact with a goalkeeper, whether or not the goalkeeper is inside or outside the goal crease, and whether or not a goal is scored, the attacking player will receive a penalty (minor or major, as the Referee deems appropriate).
If an attacking player initiates any contact with a goalkeeper, other than incidental contact, while the goalkeeper is outside his goal crease, and a goal is scored, the goal will be disallowed.
A goalkeeper is not "fair game" just because he is outside the goal crease. The appropriate penalty should be assessed in every case where an attacking player makes unnecessary contact with the goalkeeper. However, incidental contact will be permitted when the goalkeeper is in the act of playing the puck outside his goal crease provided the attacking player has made a reasonable effort to avoid such unnecessary contact.
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The second paragraph says that in the case of incidental contact the goal should count.
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That’s what the CBC announcers keyed in on: Fleury was outside of the crease, contact was incidental, so his goal should have counted.
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by bagace on Jan 6, 2011 12:46 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly. The ref’s explanation did not address the issue. If it was incidental (which it was imo) then it was neither a penalty nor a reason to disallow the goal. If it wasn’t incidental, then it should have been a penalty.
Good point, however...
Incidental contact with a goalkeeper will be permitted, and resulting goals allowed, when such contact is initiated outside of the goal crease, provided the attacking player has made a reasonable effort to avoid such contact. The rule will be enforced exclusively in accordance with the on-ice judgment of the Referee(s), and not by means of video replay or review.
Perhaps the ref felt that a reasonable effort was not made to avoid contact. In that case it could still be incidental, thus no goal and no penalty. I know everyone is pointing out that Ovie pulled up so he avoided simply running Fleury over, but can this be considered a reasonable effort to avoid contact?
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by PensAreYourDaddy on Jan 6, 2011 7:17 PM EST up reply actions
Frankly the bolded clause is unnecessarily confusing. If the attacking player doesn’t make a reasonable effort to avoid contact, it shouldn’t be considered incidental at all. But yeah, you’re right that the rule seems to contemplate two types of incidental contact: one with intent, one without. Who writes these things?
Fleury was on the boards so AO took the inside track around the net so as Fleury goes back to his net he cuts into AO’s lane. There is only so much space behind the net, so what else could AO be expected to do other than launch himself into the net? He’s coming in hard on the forecheck and it’s either go along the boards and truck Fleury as he’s playing the puck or try to go around the inside of the net and potentially run into Fleury as he’s going back to the net.
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by Killer_Carlson on Jan 7, 2011 12:28 AM EST up reply actions
Should have been interference on Fleury, I guess.
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by PensAreYourDaddy on Jan 7, 2011 9:04 AM EST up reply actions
That’s clearly what K_C was hinting.
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Yeah, I’m not sure how you could draw any other conclusions from what I wrote.
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by Killer_Carlson on Jan 7, 2011 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
I find it ironic that you two are joking about someone missing the point.
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by PensAreYourDaddy on Jan 9, 2011 9:41 AM EST up reply actions
Or they’d have to be more judicious about leaving the crease.
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by Rob Parker on Jan 6, 2011 3:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I wouldn’t mind that.
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by PensAreYourDaddy on Jan 6, 2011 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
Fleury didn’t have time to get back to his crease and get set(yeah, he had time to dive back face first… Not the same thing), and it was because of the contact with Ovechkin. I hated the ruling, but it’s up to the official’s judgment.
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The key part is in “impeding the goalies ability to make a save”. Not the next save, note.
Obviously the causal timeline has some limits to how long it can stretch out, but the contact, the dive and the goal were all in such short order that I don’t think it’s a stretch to wave that goal off.
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I don’t think it’s a stretch to wave that goal off
Neither do I. If I was on the ice and saw the whole play well, I’d probably make the same call. I still hate it!
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The challenge most Caps’ fans have is that the contact was in no way intentional. Ovie went out of his way not to hit Fleury and even appeared to hold him up.
But – it’s not about intent. It’s about the action.
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That was how I saw it then (sitting in Heinz Field, I knew that goal wouldn’t count) and how I saw it after seeing the replay. It was in the spirit of the rule to protect goaltenders. But Rule 69.4 suggests — strongly — that the goal should have been allowed…
A goalkeeper is not "fair game" just because he is outside the goal crease. The appropriate penalty should be assessed in every case where an attacking player makes unnecessary contact with the goalkeeper. However, incidental contact will be permitted when the goalkeeper is in the act of playing the puck outside his goal crease provided the attacking player has made a reasonable effort to avoid such unnecessary contact (emphasis added).
If Ovechkin’s contact was, in fact, “incidental,” and he tried to avoid contact (that is really the sticking point here), then the action is permitted under the rule since Fleury was playing (or attempting to play) the puck.
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AO did make contact, and then he grabbed Fleury (presumably to keep him from falling); a nice gesture, but grabbing him isn’t really incidental, right?
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Ovie made reasonable effort to avoid contact, thus there was no unnecessary contact. The contact made was necessary because he helped Fleury regain his footing, thus keeping both of them in the play.
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Bottom line… if a different Cap had batted in that loose puck the goal would have been allowed. Since it was Ovechkin, who was the player tangled up with Fleury (not just because he’s “Ovechkin,” as many Caps conspiracy theorists might think), the goal was disallowed.
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If an attacking player initiates any contact with a goalkeeper, other than incidental contact, while the goalkeeper is outside his goal crease, and a goal is scored, the goal will be disallowed.
Unintentional is not the same as incidental. Whether Ovie intended to make contact, which I’m sure he didn’t, or if he tried to keep Fleury from falling is irrelevant. The contact itself was far from incidental. No penalty, but no goal. The call was correct according the rules.
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by PensAreYourDaddy on Jan 6, 2011 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
He pretty clearly tried not to hit him, but there was a ton of gamesmanship afterward when he blocked Flower’s path back to the crease. Very, very fair wash-out.
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I don’t think Ovie blocked Fleury’s path to the crease. It looks like Ovie takes the outside path and lets Fleury have the inside track to the crease.
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Not just for this goal (and the Pens’ no-goal earlier), but the rule is way too murky right now. They need something that’s easier for everyone to implement and understand.
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Old Rule:
69.4 Contact Outside the Goal Crease – If an attacking player initiates any contact with a goalkeeper, other than incidental contact, while the goalkeeper is outside his goal crease, and a goal is scored, the goal will be disallowed.
A goalkeeper is not "fair game" just because he is outside the goal crease. The appropriate penalty should be assessed in every case where an attacking player makes unnecessary contact with the goalkeeper. However, incidental contact will be permitted when the goalkeeper is in the act of playing the puck outside his goal crease provided the attacking player has made a reasonable effort to avoid such unnecessary contact.
When a goalkeeper has played the puck outside of his crease and is then prevented from returning to his crease area due to the deliberate actions of an attacking player, such player may be penalized for goalkeeper interference. Similarly, the goalkeeper may be penalized, if by his actions outside of his crease he deliberately interferes with an attacking player who is attempting to play the puck or an opponent.
New Rule:
69.4 Contact Outside the Goal Crease – If an attacking player initiates any contact with a goalkeeper, other than incidental contact, while the goalkeeper is outside his goal crease, and a goal is scored, the goal will be disallowed.
When a goalkeeper has played the puck outside of his crease and is then prevented from returning to his crease area due to the deliberate actions of an attacking player, such player will be penalized for goalkeeper interference. Similarly, the goalkeeper will be penalized, if by his actions outside of his crease he deliberately interferes with an attacking player who is attempting to play the puck or an opponent.
If the contact is initiated by the attacking player and deemed incidental by the referee, no penalty shall be imposed, but the goal shall be disallowed and a faceoff shall be taken in the neutral zone.
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I think the result was right and fair, regardless of its relationship with the rule. Whatever new rule gets proposed ought to leave the refs with the discretion to make that kind of call. It was too much contact to let the goal stand. It did not merit a penalty. Good result.
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by Gould Old Days on Jan 6, 2011 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
Let’s not confuse “incidental” with “inconsequential.” All incidental means is “unplanned,” “circumstantial,” or “random.” The collision was certainly that. Was it “inconsequential?” No. It had consequences, impeding Fleury’s ability to return to his crease freely.
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Incidental also implies minor or insignificant, which this was not.
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by PensAreYourDaddy on Jan 6, 2011 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
Where do you get that? I don’t use “incidental” that way at all. To me, “incidental” means “not the main” or “not the primary.” Which in this case applies, because hitting Fleury isn’t the main thing Ovechkin was trying to do. He was going after the puck, which is allowed. He stopped and tried to affect Fleury as little as possible. The fact that “as little as possible” wasn’t minor or insignificant doesn’t enter into it.
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by Gould Old Days on Jan 6, 2011 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
incidental
-Occurring or likely to occur as an unpredictable or minor accompaniment:
-being likely to ensue as a chance or minor consequence
-Of a minor, casual, or subordinate nature:
-minor or casual or subordinate in significance or nature
-occasional or minor
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by PensAreYourDaddy on Jan 6, 2011 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
citation? Here’s mine
in·ci·den·tal
[in-si-den-tl] Show IPA
–adjective
1. happening or likely to happen in an unplanned or subordinate conjunction with something else.
2. incurred casually and in addition to the regular or main amount: incidental expenses.
3. likely to happen or naturally appertaining (usually fol. by to ).
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by Gould Old Days on Jan 6, 2011 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
Here, and here, and here, and here…
Thing is I wasn’t disagreeing with your definition, only with the limitations you were placing on it.
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by PensAreYourDaddy on Jan 6, 2011 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
I just love words. And some of those don’t match up with how I use that word. Incidental things are byproducts, but byproducts aren’t necessarily minor.
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by Gould Old Days on Jan 6, 2011 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
Cool, hardly worth this amount of time considering we basically agree on the outcome of the play.
Can’t believe you guys have to wait til Saturday for more (Caps) hockey. That must suck.
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by PensAreYourDaddy on Jan 6, 2011 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
Our best player has a bum hand. I’ll happily take the break.
But then, I’m a center ice subscriber, so it’s not like I’m going without.
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by Gould Old Days on Jan 7, 2011 12:29 AM EST up reply actions
As I mentioned in last night’s 24/7 thread, the angle HBO showed would have been what the ref and the Pen’s bench saw. It looked worse with that view. It is the side view where you can see that Ovie did what he could to minimize contact and help Fleury out. If the ref had been closer and watching from the side he might have made a different call. Who knows. It would have been nice if the goal had been allowed, but didn’t become important due to the Caps’ lead.
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Stat of the day
143 defensemen have played 30 games or more so far this year. Of those 143, here are some Capitals rankings in GAON/60 at 5on5:
20 Carlson 1.87
21 Alzner 1.88
33 Green 2.04
36 Schultz 2.08
124 Erskine 2.85
132 Hannan 3.10
Also, Alzner and Carlson are 31st and 41st, respectively in QUALCOMP. Calrson is 12th in RATING, and Green is 17th in TOI/60.
Btw, I think I’m getting too subtle for you guys. Maybe I should’ve written today’s Clips title out on posterboard like this:
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If you made it a little more obvious, then we would have to have a Show Time for it.
"So if I drank a bottle of rum (not really, it was about 2/3 of a bottle) starting at 1p and continuing through the Caps game does that mean I need to do that every Caps game from here on?"
"I would, but I’d also get yourself onto the organ transfer list as well just in case."
Very funny. But
Even with the bold, there’s
Really not much chase that
Some of the slower folk would
Understand it until you
Set it like that.
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by bilspacecadet on Jan 6, 2011 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
For you to say that you must have
Unimpressive opinions of your fellow
Commenters. I happen to
Know that a lot of them are smart.
Even some of them that I rip on can
See what’s going on
Pretty easily, so I have to disagree that they would
Not be able to put it together.
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by J.P. on Jan 6, 2011 2:25 PM EST up reply actions 7 recs
heh.
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by bilspacecadet on Jan 6, 2011 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
I can’t see this ending well. For either side.
I'm gonna haul ass to Lollapalooza!
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 6, 2011 1:42 PM EST reply actions
“I’m going to be OK,” Ovechkin said after the skate. “Bruce gave me some skating, no puck handling, nothing. He told me just [to] be relaxing and ready for Saturday.”
Asked if there was any concern about his injury, Ovechkin replied: “It’s not an injury.”
Boudreau said he believed that it may have been a lingering problem.
Over/under on number of times we see Ovie flexing his hand Saturday: 12?
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Under. It’s on CSN right? The more interesting question is whether we see more of AO shaking his hand out or faceoffs. Fucking jokers.
Drunk Guy: "Alex Ovechkin is playing more like Magic Johnson than Michael Jordan this year."
Laichitor: "He has AIDS?"
Depending on the issue, sitting him for a couple of games may not make much difference, or it may take 3 months of inactivity to heal. I’m no doctor so I have no idea, but since none of us knows what’s wrong then we can’t know that sitting/rest will help things.
We all feel that we know pretty much everything, which is why we feel free to critique Bruce Boudreau, George McPhee, and every player on the ice.
You had me at no problem.
Dimitri posted video of the Russian juniors win, complete with translations, if you haven’t seen it yet over on Puck Daddy. Kusznetsov bouncing around like a jumping bean screaming his head off early in the video is great.
Pledge Drive 2010-2011: SO KIDS CAN!! Help build a playground
Awesome! and I also liked that they showed the messages left by team Sweden on the Russian’s dressing room door congratulating them (shown here at the 11:34 mark)
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Canada Has No Monopoly on Heart
Good to know.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 6, 2011 3:22 PM EST reply actions
Bob McK's Waiver Wire Update
Whitfield (BOS). M.A. Bergeron (TB) and Wilson (CBJ) clear waivers. Commodore (CBJ) on waivers, Valabik (ATL) on re-entry waivers
The OatesStache: Tickling taints since 1975.
From NY Post's Mark Everson
Sources say the Jamie Langenbrunner auction is on in earnest, and the hammer may come down soon if Lou Lamoriello asks the Devils captain to waive his no-trade clause, and Langenbrunner submits.
Those sources say that it may be sooner rather than later before the trades begin in this historic disaster of a Devils season, and that Langenbrunner is the player teams want most.
It is believed Los Angeles and San Jose are prime suitors for Langenbrunner, but he may end up going to an Eastern contender, perhaps Washington or Pittsburgh, or even Boston — if he waives his no-trade.
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I think you mean Mark Neverson…
But yeah, Langenbrunner would be a real prize, even if he’s not a C. But he would kill our ability to land a certain guy whose name rhymes with Tad Pritchards.
You had me at no problem.
Dallas is desperate for cash and will make the playoffs this year. That dude isn’t going anywhere if management thinks he can land them some extra home games (and I think he will).
The major issue is that the Caps don’t need another wing and I’m pretty sure that the Caps have to send salary the other way to make this happen. I’m much more sold on LAK than anywhere else.
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by Knee high to a duck on Jan 6, 2011 5:32 PM EST up reply actions
We’re not going to get Richards.
I highly doubt we get Langenbrunner, either.
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I could see PIT getting him, I’m just not sure how much he has left in the tank. He’s an upgrade but not a huge one I don’t think. His leadership is good but don’t they already have the Supreme Leader.
Drunk Guy: "Alex Ovechkin is playing more like Magic Johnson than Michael Jordan this year."
Laichitor: "He has AIDS?"
PIT would also have to send money back, I think.
Not sure who they have on their NHL roster that would be both desirable for the Devils and disposable for the Pens?
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I don’t know that, but if PIT is even a little under the cap, they’ve been banking all year. 2.8 isn’t too much to make it work.
Drunk Guy: "Alex Ovechkin is playing more like Magic Johnson than Michael Jordan this year."
Laichitor: "He has AIDS?"
You probably understand how the “banking” thing works better than I do – in fact, if you understand it at all, you definitely understand it better than me.
Per Capgeek, Langenbrunner’ remaining cap hit is $1.415M; the Pens have $126K in cap space.
On initial glance, it appears problematic to fit Langenbrunner in, but maybe their banked space factors in here.
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Maybe not today, but I doubt it would be too hard. They’d have to move someone but they could waive Godard and open up a little bit and maybe pull some other tricks. Shero is pretty good with his cap.
Drunk Guy: "Alex Ovechkin is playing more like Magic Johnson than Michael Jordan this year."
Laichitor: "He has AIDS?"
Not tonight, unfortunately.
Effing Steckel!
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by PensAreYourDaddy on Jan 6, 2011 5:39 PM EST up reply actions
Nice try honey.
Crosby suffered the injury Wednesday night against Tampa Bay.
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by PensAreYourDaddy on Jan 6, 2011 6:04 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I could believe that there are lingering effects from the Steckel hit, but that’s extremely poor management by PIT.
Drunk Guy: "Alex Ovechkin is playing more like Magic Johnson than Michael Jordan this year."
Laichitor: "He has AIDS?"
Well, as I mentioned below he took another head shot last night that could have worsened it.
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by PensAreYourDaddy on Jan 6, 2011 6:08 PM EST up reply actions
I watched that game but missed that hit. When was it?
Drunk Guy: "Alex Ovechkin is playing more like Magic Johnson than Michael Jordan this year."
Laichitor: "He has AIDS?"
18:41 of the 2nd.
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by PensAreYourDaddy on Jan 6, 2011 6:10 PM EST up reply actions
By who?
I liked the black eye Downie was sporting.
Drunk Guy: "Alex Ovechkin is playing more like Magic Johnson than Michael Jordan this year."
Laichitor: "He has AIDS?"
Hedman. I liked Downie’s black eye as well. Courtesy of your guy, I think.
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by PensAreYourDaddy on Jan 6, 2011 6:13 PM EST up reply actions
Matt Hendricks and his Blind Fist of Fury.
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Yeah, good stuff.
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by PensAreYourDaddy on Jan 6, 2011 6:15 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, he still seemed fine. Maybe they’re just playing it safe tonight. He doesn’t do well in Montreal anyway.
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by PensAreYourDaddy on Jan 6, 2011 6:14 PM EST up reply actions
Some concussion effects have to be disclosed by the player if the team is to know about them, too. Headaches, for instance.
If Sid tried to play through some head pain, got boarded, and then was dizzy after the game, I can see Steckel having a part in it.
Hope he’s all right, but the way.
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Did you see him in 24/7? I know the player has to do some reporting but even in that second intermission you could see fog in his eyes. There’s got to be some responsibility on the club to look into that, no?
Drunk Guy: "Alex Ovechkin is playing more like Magic Johnson than Michael Jordan this year."
Laichitor: "He has AIDS?"
Don’t have HBO so you didn’t see it. *wink
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by PensAreYourDaddy on Jan 6, 2011 6:15 PM EST up reply actions
What’d you think? You have a different angle, did Sid looked foggy to you?
Drunk Guy: "Alex Ovechkin is playing more like Magic Johnson than Michael Jordan this year."
Laichitor: "He has AIDS?"
Definitely.
FYI – Bylsma apparently reiterated that whatever it is, it is not related to the Steckel thing. Some folks on Pensburgh are talking about a possible hand injury from last night.
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by PensAreYourDaddy on Jan 6, 2011 6:19 PM EST up reply actions
It’ll be interesting to see if it ever comes out. I didn’t see Sid obviously favoring anything last night… but I was drinking. Fast.
Drunk Guy: "Alex Ovechkin is playing more like Magic Johnson than Michael Jordan this year."
Laichitor: "He has AIDS?"
One of the Pensburgh folks is saying it happened on the boarding play. Sid came away looking at his hand, went to the bench and took the glove off to check it out. That’s all I’ve got at this point.
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by PensAreYourDaddy on Jan 6, 2011 6:29 PM EST up reply actions
Honestly did not know that. Just because I don’t like someone means I want to see him hurt. I hate that crap.
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Yeah, totally agree with you there. The league is better off with their stars playing, whether I like them or not.
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by PensAreYourDaddy on Jan 6, 2011 6:19 PM EST up reply actions
He played last night. How is this on Steckel?
Drunk Guy: "Alex Ovechkin is playing more like Magic Johnson than Michael Jordan this year."
Laichitor: "He has AIDS?"
Putting it on Steckel was a joke, but it wouldn’t be the first time a guy took a hit/contact/whatever, played a game and then they realized maybe he needs a little break. Plus he was boarded last night, which could have exacerbated the original injury.
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by PensAreYourDaddy on Jan 6, 2011 6:06 PM EST up reply actions
Sitting out tonight doesn’t hurt those odds.
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by PensAreYourDaddy on Jan 6, 2011 6:08 PM EST up reply actions
I’m still pulling for him.
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by PensAreYourDaddy on Jan 6, 2011 6:11 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I’m thinking of Perron on that one. Came back, scored the GWG, then missed a few games. It’s just weird that PIT had days off and didn’t think Crosby was messed up; presumably they analyzed his dome. Maybe the combination of hits did it, maybe Crosby was trying to tough it out. Who knows. But I do think that Steckel collision rung his bell real good. One shot in 24/7 made it almost look like Steckel could have seen Crosby coming before the hit.
Drunk Guy: "Alex Ovechkin is playing more like Magic Johnson than Michael Jordan this year."
Laichitor: "He has AIDS?"
Exact same thing happened to Matt Lombardi – he got boarded in the 1st period of a game against Chicago, missed a shift, came back and played the entire game. He’s missed almost 40 games now.
On the Forecheck: Spals to the wall.
A few games? He’s still out.
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by Knee high to a duck on Jan 6, 2011 7:15 PM EST up reply actions
I’m taking the exclamation point as your snark mark. Well delivered.
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by Knee high to a duck on Jan 6, 2011 5:44 PM EST up reply actions
thanks ;-)
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by PensAreYourDaddy on Jan 6, 2011 6:06 PM EST up reply actions
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I just got off the phone with Jamie Langenbrunner, who will not be playing tonight for the Devils against the Phladelphia.
Langenbrunner said he "can’t say much" right now, but confirmed "there has been discussion" of him waiving his no trade. Right now, he is waiting at his home in New Jerey to see what will happen next, but expects to hear something shortly —either he will be traded or staying put for the time being.
When I asked him he thinks he will no longer be playing for the Devils, he said "It looks like it, but you never know."
I have left a telephone message for Devils general manager Lou Lamoriello, but have not heard back from him yet.
It sounds like this could be settled before tonight’s game starts, but nothing definite yet.
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And the Devils fuck up managing something else.
I mean, really — what a horrible way to deal with someone who’s put a lot of time and heart into your organization.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Jan 7, 2011 12:32 AM EST up reply actions
Things didn’t go well with him and the organization towards the end of last year. You had to figure bringing in Lemaire was the sign of the end.
Drunk Guy: "Alex Ovechkin is playing more like Magic Johnson than Michael Jordan this year."
Laichitor: "He has AIDS?"
Yeah, but whose fault is that.
Everything I hear from Hershey is that Sheldon Souray is a class act up there. If he wasn’t fitting in up in Edmonton, whose fault is that?
There’s something to be said for managers that can get along with their key employees.
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by Gould Old Days on Jan 7, 2011 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
Right, and I wasn’t assigning blame. You know I’m not a huge fan of Lemaire and that I don’t drink the Kool Aid on Lou. I’m just saying that regardless of fault, Lemaire coming back was a pretty strong signal to me that Langenbrunner was on the move.
Drunk Guy: "Alex Ovechkin is playing more like Magic Johnson than Michael Jordan this year."
Laichitor: "He has AIDS?"
Crosby out tonight, “upper body.”
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McK says teams most interested in Langenbrunner + teams he’d waive NTC for are Dallas, STL, and SJS.
On the Forecheck: Spals to the wall.
SJS is a great fit if they can get him under the cap.
Drunk Guy: "Alex Ovechkin is playing more like Magic Johnson than Michael Jordan this year."
Laichitor: "He has AIDS?"
They need defense much more. STL is a better fit w/o Perron and McD.
On the Forecheck: Spals to the wall.
I’m talking in terms of leadership and a guy who has been there. He’s not going to provide a ton of offense at this point of his career but I think SJS could still use his experience. He wouldn’t replace Perron’s O, and he’s not a C, so despite the injuries STL has I don’t know if that’s a great fit. They could also use the experience though, so maybe. I’m not really sold on STL so maybe that’s part of it. Why look for that last piece like that if you aren’t really going to make noise?
Drunk Guy: "Alex Ovechkin is playing more like Magic Johnson than Michael Jordan this year."
Laichitor: "He has AIDS?"
Because he’s pretty cheap (relatively), they got burned on Svatos which means they’re looking, and the injury problems. Perron’s out indefinitely, as is McDonald. He’d at least replace some of that.
On the Forecheck: Spals to the wall.
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