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So to caption the pic…

Stinkpalm?

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by Bald Pollack on Jan 19, 2011 7:10 AM EST reply actions  

Maybe if I try no-look shots

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by ThePeerless on Jan 19, 2011 7:21 AM EST up reply actions  

He did rip that killer backhander off the crossbar…

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by J.P. on Jan 19, 2011 7:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Smell the Glove?

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by J.P. on Jan 19, 2011 7:35 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Oh for F*’s sake here we go again…

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by ang4Caps on Jan 19, 2011 7:56 AM EST up reply actions  

I have to say that in his post game interview, he was very evidently frustrated. This is not what he wants, he wants his team to do better. He KNOWS they need to do better but he seems at a loss like everyone else as to why they aren’t doing better..

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by ang4Caps on Jan 19, 2011 7:59 AM EST up reply actions  

You really can’t discount the anticipated offense that isn’t here right now (via injury and trade). Semin, Fleischmann, Fehr and Bradley combined for 94 goals and 104 assists last year. If they were all here and available last night, you’d probably not have played Hendricks, one of Gordon/Steckel, one of MP85/MoJo, and King. That’s a pretty huge drop-off.

Of course, this team struggled after the Flash trade with Semin and Fehr perfectly healthy (or at least healthy enough to play)…

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by J.P. on Jan 19, 2011 8:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Who knew that Flash was the secret ingredient!

"And then they’ll look at guys in my situation, that could play three good games in a row and have one bad shift, and they’ll say, ‘Well, that’s why he’s been in the minor leagues his whole career.'" --Matt Hendricks

by bigeugene on Jan 19, 2011 9:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Bruce. Maybe everything since then has been his and Semin’s form of protest.

Kidding.

Sorta.

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by J.P. on Jan 19, 2011 9:54 AM EST up reply actions  

I’ve actually wondered about that. Was Flash that much of a difference maker for the Caps?

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by ang4Caps on Jan 19, 2011 10:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes, but not in that way.

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by red army line on Jan 19, 2011 11:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Wow, another Spinal Tap reference (see the Off Topic thread on Don Kirshner….)

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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jan 19, 2011 10:21 AM EST up reply actions  

I now invisible like ostrich.

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by oldemystix on Jan 19, 2011 10:17 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Don Cherry is upset with Ovechkins new “Fire Glove” celebration. Even if it is Ovi’s best offensive weapon.

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by Cap-O-Vens on Jan 19, 2011 10:36 AM EST up reply actions  

I think the time for OFB to write that article on Johannson would have been October or November…not January. Dude has been KILLING IT for the last month or so.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 19, 2011 7:18 AM EST reply actions  

MoJo was a bit lost on the OT goal, and a key contributor to the parting of the seas on the Giroux goal, but yeah, taking a couple of plays in support of a thesis you’ve been pushing forever when the rest of the evidence (save FO%) is overwhelmingly contrary is, well, what it is.

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by J.P. on Jan 19, 2011 7:27 AM EST up reply actions  

At this point, I’ll take a mistake or two, because it looks like he’s really gaining confidence and starting to show off some of his speed and skills. I don’t know how sending him to the A at this point would improve anything about his game.

I also don’t know where their mythical “playmaking, veteran center” would have come from. Didn’t they spend the entire summer screaming for a “crease clearing defenseman” and wondering when they were going to get a guy like DJ King because they were tired of the Caps being a “finesse” team?

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 19, 2011 7:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Would Johansson get more time on Hershey ice? Getting right to the point, would he supplant Keith Aucoin as the number one center there? If PT (and the apprenticeship that goes along with it is the point), then his role there — and the club’s role in his development — need to be well defined and agreed upon. This is not a more marginal prospect such as Perreault or Beagle (two different players, but ones getting similar ice time with the Caps). This is a player expected to play a significant role going forward. He can’t be getting 12 minutes a night in Hershey while the Bears are chasing a third consecutive Calder Cup.

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by ThePeerless on Jan 19, 2011 7:38 AM EST up reply actions  

It makes no sense. You’d be sending him to a team he hasn’t played with all year, where he has zero chemistry with anyone, and shooting your own self in the foot because he’s one of the few people on offense that isn’t strugglin’ at the moment. I can’ t even take his argument seriously. I’m more incredulous that someone would actually make it than anything.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 19, 2011 7:43 AM EST up reply actions  

And…who assumes his spot on the roster? Right now, he is arguably the team’s second best center and might be its best all around right winger (not saying much at the moment for the competiton, although Knuble has had an underrated last month or so). A center group of Backstrom-Perreault-Beagle-Steckel doesn’t make me swoon. It almost makes me faint.

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by ThePeerless on Jan 19, 2011 7:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed. As I’ve been saying since Day 1, he’s a cerebral guy who is going to benefit more from spending every day with elite players (insert Ovechkin/Backstrom joke here) than playing with and against AHL plumbers. He’s not going to get stronger playing in Hershey. And he’s probably not going to get better in the dot there, either (he needs to learn NHL centers’ tendencies and whatnot and learn from Dean Evason – just like Backstrom, who’s now a ~53% guy, did).

Put more bluntly, why on earth would you demote a guy who’s steadily improving and plays a position of need? They’re on the right track, but on the wrong train as to which rookie pivot should be returned to Hershey when a better option becomes available in D.C.

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by J.P. on Jan 19, 2011 7:48 AM EST up reply actions  

And the more I see of that guy (the one who should be going to Hershey), the more I see him as a winger in the NHL, not a center.

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by ThePeerless on Jan 19, 2011 8:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Perreault, Johansson, or both?

by DrinkingPartner on Jan 19, 2011 8:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Johansson can be a very good two-way center in this league (his faceoffs, like Backstrom before him, will improve). Perreault’s value is essentially his offense. I don’t think he is now — or will be in the future — the player in his own end that Johansson is/will be. That is not to say that Perreault can’t be a contributing player in the NHL; I just think it is more likely he would be on the wing. Right now, he looks a lot like a “tweener” — too good for the AHL, not quite ready for a long run in the NHL.

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by ThePeerless on Jan 19, 2011 9:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Should we try Matt P on wing? We do have a vacancy at RW due to all the injuries.

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by CapsFan75 on Jan 19, 2011 9:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Perreault is a winger for sure. I just don’t see him having the strength to play down low defensively.

Post-lockout NHL is full of guys his size, though very few of them play in the middle. Patrick Kane was a center in junior hockey, but is on the wing and doing a pretty great job there.

by RCheli on Jan 19, 2011 12:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Is MP a right handie?

MarJo at 2C with MP and Semin on his sides. That might be a fun line to watch.

by Brainumbc on Jan 19, 2011 12:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Eh….that line needs somebody who will play in front of the net. Can’t see MP being much of a screener.

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by twistedlogic on Jan 19, 2011 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

True. Can we play him in high heels?

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by Brainumbc on Jan 19, 2011 12:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Someone needs to invent platform skates for MP.

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by timmyv38 on Jan 19, 2011 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

he’s already got the BeeGee’s hair

by Brainumbc on Jan 19, 2011 12:48 PM EST up reply actions  

MP is lefty.

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by Rob Parker on Jan 19, 2011 1:18 PM EST up reply actions  

hmm.. 3rd line Chimmer Gordo and MP?

by Brainumbc on Jan 19, 2011 1:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Kuznetsov is playing wing in the KHL as well; he has 52 draws in 35 games this year, with a 38% winning percentage. That might go up a bit if he’s regularly taking draws, but, still, it indicates he might be playing wing when he gets here rather than center.

It also indicates he’d benefit from a year or two in Hershey ASAP.

by Wheeler on Jan 19, 2011 10:54 AM EST up reply actions  

I think that both Mahoney and and GMGM still view him as a center. And if that’s the position he’s going to play it’s unfortunate that he wont get to practice his skills. I haven’t watched a Traktor game in awhile but I do keep an eye on the box score and in today’s game he took four draws.
 I would prefer to have him in Hershey next year but if that’s not happening at least it’s a good sign that his icetime have gone up after WJC. The last three games his TOI been around 18 minutes a game, in the game today only one forward had more time on the ice. Dimas ice time have also gone up, in today’s game he was one of the d-men with most TOI and he had an assist.

I don’t know if the teams are giving them more responsibility because they believe in them or if they do it because the teams are really bad and wont make the playoff anyway.

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by Malin A on Jan 19, 2011 6:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m sure Evason do a great job the numbers say as much, but it took over two years for Bäckström to develop his skill and his starting position was much better then the one Marcus got.

It takes everyone time. Know what Boyd Gordon’s FO% in his first two seasons were? 43% and 46.3%. He’s now outstanding.

I wrote a bit about it previously (in light of Nick’s struggles), in the event anyone wants more.

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by J.P. on Jan 19, 2011 10:55 AM EST up reply actions  

It takes everyone time

Agreed. But after doing a lot of research on the subject I feel totally comfortable saying that IMO Marcus level of suckiness in the dot goes beyond that.

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by Malin A on Jan 19, 2011 11:29 AM EST up reply actions  

I think time in the weight room, experience, and time with a teacher like Evason will help him tremendously, but I wouldn’t expect an overnight transformation, and he may never get to “good” – he only really needs to get to “acceptable,” IMO. We shall see…

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by J.P. on Jan 19, 2011 11:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Are you talking this season, or in his career?

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by Elliotte on Jan 19, 2011 12:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Career. I wouldn’t expect him to get to “acceptable” any time soon.

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by J.P. on Jan 19, 2011 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

All good points. But I hope and think he will get all the way to “good” but it’s going to take a couple of years. I started watching him closely after he got drafted, and even though FBK played him mostly on scoring lines and not at all at on PK my gut feeling was that he would be better as a defensive fw. He never put up points but he was so fast and defensively aver for such a young player so it just felt like the logical outcome. And so far in his NHL career that gut feeling seems to be correct. In my dream dream scenario he would become a Jere Lehtinen type of player granted he don’t have quiet the hockey sense/defensive instincts that Lehtinen got, but really do anyone?

In the bit more realistic scenario I was basically hoping for a new Samuel Påhlsson. And I beginning to think that is sort of realistic. When I see Marcus on the ice I still don’t think top six forward. I could obviously be wrong but I don’t think he will ever put up the 50-60 in a season that you would expect from a 2C. In five years I hope he is known in the same way Lehinen is – probably not a household name but a hockey players hockey player if you will. Everyone that’s in the game know just how good he is and what a pain in the ass it is to play against him.
 

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by Malin A on Jan 19, 2011 2:24 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Thanks for that perspective. I always love reading your European perspective on these matters.

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by SeattleCapsFan on Jan 19, 2011 12:33 PM EST up reply actions  

If Johansson had been sent down during the period when Aucoin has been out with his knee injury, he would have gotten top line center minutes.

In reality, Perreault had gotten them instead.

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by CapsFan75 on Jan 19, 2011 8:34 AM EST up reply actions  

I believe MarJo was also hurt during that time, no?

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 19, 2011 8:51 AM EST up reply actions  

His injury time certainly did overlap with Aucoin’s, now that you mention it. If I remember correctly, Aucoin was out for a much longer period of time.

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by CapsFan75 on Jan 19, 2011 8:57 AM EST up reply actions  

The Ewell writeup – written by the intern.

That is all (except that I agree with you completely; what a great piece).

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by gfcaps fan on Jan 19, 2011 8:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Rec’d. It’s the normal OFB stuff. Keep the theme going when its already become irrelevant. I read their stuff much less than I used to because of exactly what you state about them being at their best when they don’t right about the game itself.

he wants to send down the guy who was the Caps best forward this past week? I’m nominating pucksandbooks for Minister of Silliness.

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by Carl Putnam on Jan 19, 2011 10:35 AM EST up reply actions  

In that perilous, pressure-packed moment in his own end Tuesday night,

A lot of alliteration from anxious anchors placed in powerful posts…

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by bilspacecadet on Jan 19, 2011 12:14 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Except for socially, you’re my rec’d model.

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by Bald Pollack on Jan 19, 2011 1:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m as social as a freaking butterfly—what does your comment mean?

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by bilspacecadet on Jan 19, 2011 2:47 PM EST up reply actions  

There weren’t many lines that I could do that to, ’twas the first that came to mind (thanks iMDB!).

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by Bald Pollack on Jan 19, 2011 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Ahh. Roger that.

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by bilspacecadet on Jan 19, 2011 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I’d say so, as well. Johansson has been one of our better players as of late, in spite of mistakes made last night.

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by CapsFan75 on Jan 19, 2011 8:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Since I was curious…

HockeyReference lists 40 Swedish-born skaters as having played in the AHL this year (but their list can’t be complete, as MoJo isn’t on it).

They’ve combined for 15,777 NHL games… and 2,262 AHL games.

Niclas Bergfors has played the most AHL games (257), while 15 have never suited up in the A and another five have played less than half a season, total, at that level.

There’s no real point to those numbers, but since I did the legwork, I thought I’d share.

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by J.P. on Jan 19, 2011 8:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Sending a guy whose shown steady improvement over the last several months at a position of need basically in favor of a guy who has been really, really inconsistent is just…babytown frolics.

by David Getz on Jan 19, 2011 9:01 AM EST up reply actions  

I wouldn’t say MarJo has been “killing it”. He’s improved and gotten more comfortable, but he’s still not this year’s solution at center. Save for one beautiful sequence where he earned us our first goal he didn’t have a good game last night. Not sure if TV showed it but he was routinely getting abused by Flyers centers and was caught out of position A LOT. Chalk it up to a learning experience against a very good team.

I still like him better in the NHL as opposed to AHL. If we go in to the playoffs with him as our 2C we’re a second-round team at best, but I have no problem with the choice to have him “apprentice” at the NHL level.

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by Kareem E. on Jan 19, 2011 9:33 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I think that MoJo is showing himself to be a find 3C for the current team, which is good, because while 2C is the more pressing problem, there were concerns over 3C as well (as Stecks can’t hack it there).

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by J.P. on Jan 19, 2011 9:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Don’t you mean “fine 3C”? But, then again, MarJo hasn’t been the 3C for a while

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by CapsFan75 on Jan 19, 2011 9:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes. He’s a fine 3C for this team (which isn’t to say he’s not doing admirably on higher lines at present).

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by J.P. on Jan 19, 2011 9:41 AM EST up reply actions  

a buddy was asking me to define what specifically a 2C would be on this team. I replied “not as good as backstrom normally is, but who could be a top center on worse teams”

That said, the minutes he is getting up here in DC (by he I mean mj90) look to be paying off.

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by Truculence on Jan 19, 2011 10:35 AM EST up reply actions  

I should have wrote tat MarJo is “not this year’s solution at second-line center”.

I’m comfortable going into the playoffs with him as a 3C as long as he’s paired with a Gordon or Steckel who can take key face-offs for him.

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by Kareem E. on Jan 19, 2011 9:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Speaking of Gordon, what was with calling Andrew up only to send him right back down? Poor guy. His yo-yo is looking more active than Alzner’s was last season.

by Seminrocks on Jan 19, 2011 9:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Wouldn’t be surprised if yesterday’s announcement was just a paper transaction in order to get King in last night’s line up, and Gordo is back “up” for tomorrow’s NYI game.

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by bagace on Jan 19, 2011 9:46 AM EST up reply actions  

If he was on emergency recall, he had to be returned to make room for King coming off the IR.

If he was on normal recall, if he played one more game he’d have been subject to waivers.

The only way he’d have stayed is if King stayed on IR and AGordo was on emergency recall. Obviously the team wanted King in vs. PHI.

At least that’s my understanding.

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by J.P. on Jan 19, 2011 9:47 AM EST up reply actions  

That was my semi-uneducated thought as well. It was just too bad that Gordon had to fly with the team to Philly. What, they didn’t know on Monday that King was coming off IR? Okay, maybe they weren’t 100% certain and it was insurance. Just seemed wasteful.

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by gfcaps fan on Jan 19, 2011 9:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Especially given bag fees these days.

/Southwest’d

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by J.P. on Jan 19, 2011 10:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Heh.

I wasn’t talking about the cost, just the aggravation. In a way, for both the player and the team.

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by gfcaps fan on Jan 19, 2011 10:04 AM EST up reply actions  

I’d worry more about the wear and tear on the player. Excessive traveling isn’t going to make one more prepared to play a hard fought game.

by DrinkingPartner on Jan 19, 2011 10:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Well, Hershey doesn’t play until the weekend, so I don’t think he’s going to suffer from the extra travel on Tuesday. I’m guessing he’s done as a yo-yo unless another forward goes down (and yes, I’m knocking on wood here).

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by gfcaps fan on Jan 19, 2011 10:10 AM EST up reply actions  

While it might be a round-about way to do it, the trip from Phily to Hershey is quicker than from DC to Hershey

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by Elliotte on Jan 19, 2011 10:20 AM EST up reply actions  

But less convenient if he drove his own car to DC.

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by oldemystix on Jan 19, 2011 11:13 AM EST up reply actions  

I meant while playing for the Caps. Sending him to and fro is no way to get the best out of him for [the Islanders game].

by DrinkingPartner on Jan 19, 2011 10:22 AM EST up reply actions  

looks like Gordon didn’t fly with the team to Philly.

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by vtcapsfan99 on Jan 19, 2011 1:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Karl Alzner nods, knowingly.

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by EmilyB on Jan 19, 2011 1:54 PM EST up reply actions  

He tweeted a pic of the Spectrum, though. I think he was there.

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by Ninjak on Jan 19, 2011 1:54 PM EST up reply actions  

You are correct. He probably took the train back to DC after he was scratched last night. Or after the game.

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by gfcaps fan on Jan 19, 2011 1:57 PM EST up reply actions  

So it’s even more traveling than we thought: plane to Philly, train back to DC, spend the night, drive back to Hershey. I guess he prefer that over going to Hershey from Philly and leaving his car in DC.

by vtcapsfan99 on Jan 19, 2011 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

The life of AG — Planes, Trains, and Automobiles. Itinerant winer!

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by CapsFan75 on Jan 19, 2011 2:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Carlzner and Quality of Compeition

via RLS:

before being paired with Alzner, Carlson was still handling the toughs and had a Corsi Rel close to ten. Since being paired with Alzner, Carlson’s Corsi Rel has fallen into the neighborhood of five, and Alzner has been hovering around zero or in low positives all along

I now have quality of competition stats for line combos/dpairs so I would be curious to see what the fall off is when they are together or not.

I’d also be curious if Puck Stops Here statement of “[Calrson] is carrying a lesser defence partner [Alzner] as he does this” is true based on scoring chance % using WOWY.

My question to the group at large: For the Qual of Comp metric I am averaging the Corsi values for opposing players on the ice (except for the goalies). Does anyone have an alternative suggestion?

(Keep in mind using Rel Corsi gives some LOW values, so optically does not look as significant as when just Corsi is used and BtN Rtg is based on goals scored only, which does not correlate well with scoring chances due to luck factor.)

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by 5ive Hole on Jan 19, 2011 7:48 AM EST reply actions  

Related question – isn’t Fenwick more closely correlated to wins than Corsi?

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by J.P. on Jan 19, 2011 7:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Nope, but blocked shots are a skill for the blocking team, so it makes sense to exclude them, I guess. Fenwick% and scoring chance% almost have a 1:1 ratio (at least for the 08-09 Oilers).

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by red army line on Jan 19, 2011 7:56 AM EST up reply actions  

(Further to the Fenwick vs. Corsi point.)

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by J.P. on Jan 19, 2011 8:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Make sure for QoC you’re weighting by TOI faced against the other dudes.

One QoC I’ve seen suggested that may work well is TOI-based. It still doesn’t correct for different team skill levels, though.

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by red army line on Jan 19, 2011 7:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Make sure for QoC you’re weighting by TOI faced against the other dudes.

That makes it too complicated. I need a “quick and dirty” system of one number which I can use for each scoring chance.

If, for example, a line with Crosby or Stamkos has an avg Corsi of 5 but one with PlayerX is -.5, then that tells us something, no?

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by 5ive Hole on Jan 19, 2011 7:57 AM EST up reply actions  

I’m not sure I understand. I’m pretty sure that BtN’s QoC weights by H2H TOI faced. I guess I’m thinking about when teams are changing lines, then those short H2Hs should be considered, but only a bit compared to full shifts. Maybe it’s not a problem, I don’t know.

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by red army line on Jan 19, 2011 8:13 AM EST up reply actions  

When the scoring chance happens, the Corsi values of opposing players are averaged for a “chance QoC value.” I can’t weigh it for any HtH TOI or anything like that for logistical reasons.

For example, at 5v5:

Ovi-Backstrom-Knuble have seen 58.5% of scoring chances go in Caps
favor, while converting on 10% of them against chance QoC value of -.995

Ovi-Backstrom-Semin have seen 57.9% of scoring chances go in Caps
favor, while converting on 20% of them against chance QoC value of -.429

Ovi-Backstrom-Fehr have seen 61.5% of scoring chances go in Caps
favor, while converting on 18.8% of them against chance QoC value of +1.556

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by 5ive Hole on Jan 19, 2011 8:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Alright, that makes sense.

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by red army line on Jan 19, 2011 8:34 AM EST up reply actions  

What time period are they using for Carlson not being paired with Alzner? Last year?

I wish they’d post the numbers they were using and not just the conclusions.

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by Gould Old Days on Jan 19, 2011 8:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Unfortunately, don’t have the numbers. It’s all this season, but BtN doesn’t have a filter-by-game functionality. For ~the first 15-20 games Carlson wasn’t with Alzner, and since then he has been. I remember pretty clearly noting in my head (perhaps somewhere on the internet too) that Carlson at one point had an 8.8 Corsi Rel despite the toughest zonestart—JP may have noted it in Ups and Downs—but now it’s not nearly that high.

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by red army line on Jan 19, 2011 9:20 AM EST up reply actions  

What's wrong with Alex Ovechkin?

he lost his steroid doctor last year, that’s whats wrong with him. someone send him a new contact number.

by JTx3 on Jan 19, 2011 7:48 AM EST reply actions  

He could be sleeping around, that shiz can kill ya.

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by Bald Pollack on Jan 19, 2011 8:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Remember your comment about snark before 9am?

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by STLSpidey on Jan 19, 2011 8:32 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Nicely played sir.

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by Bald Pollack on Jan 19, 2011 8:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Is Chimera what the Ovechkin line needs now more than Knuble? I think so.

He’s got younger legs, is clearly faster, isn’t afraid of anyone, and works his tail off. The last two most certainly apply to Knuble, but I am enamored by 25 next to 8-19 or next to 8-90. I won’t by the “hands of stone” meme as reasons why 22 is better on this line than 25. That’s old hat. I want the speed, energy, and excitement of being there that 25 will bring.

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by STLSpidey on Jan 19, 2011 8:20 AM EST reply actions  

I don’t see it as a long-term solution, personally, but we’re certainly at the “throw it at the wall and see what sticks” point.

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by J.P. on Jan 19, 2011 8:22 AM EST up reply actions  

I would not have placed money on 8-90-25 as our top line at any point in the past.

Last night the spaghetti stuck for me. Let’s see what happens. Chemistry on teams/line-ups is a non-scientific thing.

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by STLSpidey on Jan 19, 2011 8:26 AM EST up reply actions  

I would much rather see Mackan playing on AO’s RW than 2C. That was a potent line the other night.

by DrinkingPartner on Jan 19, 2011 8:52 AM EST up reply actions  

I had to put my head in my hands when Chimmer decided to settle that pass down alone in front of Bobrovsky instead of trying to redirect it toward the net.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 19, 2011 8:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes, but had he shanked the one-timer, then “hands of stone” would have trended on Twitter.

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by STLSpidey on Jan 19, 2011 8:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Chimmer was just being sporting and giving Bob a chance to make the save. Chimmer for Byng!

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by J.P. on Jan 19, 2011 9:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Instead of making him look like Bob Essensa, he made him look like Bob Froese.

If anyone can think of a better goaltender with the name “Bob” than Froese, please feel free to finish my joke there.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 19, 2011 9:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Bob Esche

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by Rather Bengt on Jan 19, 2011 9:17 AM EST up reply actions  

I might have to take Froese in the epic “Esche vs. Froese” battle.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 19, 2011 9:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Robert “Bob” Green.

I guess he would have blocked the puck, but it would have dribbled through.

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by STLSpidey on Jan 19, 2011 9:20 AM EST up reply actions  

You sir, win the best internet meme use of the day award. The award is a rec.

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Two Jets/Coyotes goalies in one brief thread. Gotta be a record.

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by Carl Putnam on Jan 19, 2011 10:27 AM EST up reply actions  

If someone finds a way to tie in Pokey Reddick, the internet may explode.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 19, 2011 10:29 AM EST up reply actions  

If they tie Daniel Berthiaume in with him it will explode.

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by Carl Putnam on Jan 19, 2011 10:31 AM EST up reply actions  

And throw in a Tim Cheveldae reference and you’re gonna have a supercritical mass…

by Wheeler on Jan 19, 2011 10:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Stephane Beauregard FTW

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 19, 2011 10:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Ahem, Ron Tugnutt.

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by Rather Bengt on Jan 19, 2011 10:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Tugnutt never played for Winninpeg/PHX, did he?

I think it’s absolutely hilarious his full name is Ronald Frederick Bradley Tugnutt. All he needs is a “Humphrey” in there.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 19, 2011 11:07 AM EST up reply actions  

The Tugger was also the source of one of the all-time best Patrick Roy quotes ever.

“he’s that guy who only plays when I don’t feel like it”

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 19, 2011 11:09 AM EST up reply actions  

you forgot the “IV, esquire” part

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by Rather Bengt on Jan 19, 2011 11:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Funny I never thought Stephane would be the first Beauregard you’d reference. My money was on P.G.T.

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by Carl Putnam on Jan 19, 2011 10:55 AM EST up reply actions  

I admit, I was trying to find a way to shoehorn “PGT” in there.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 19, 2011 11:06 AM EST up reply actions  

I did that as well, right after throwing the remote….

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by Truculence on Jan 19, 2011 10:37 AM EST up reply actions  

At this point, I’d like to throw half this roster at the wall, see if they stick.

You had me at no problem.

by Ninjak on Jan 19, 2011 10:44 AM EST up reply actions  

I’m surprised so many people don’t like the 8-19-25 combo

I thought they looked good yesterday, and it kinda made me wonder why it hadn’t occurred to anyone sooner.

Chimera is fast and tough and could be good foil for the two stars.

Knuble was great with them last year, but as has been said elsewhere, he may just not be fast enough anymore.

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by smutsboy1 on Jan 19, 2011 11:02 AM EST up reply actions  

I like Chimmer on the top line, at least for a little bit here.

Chimmer is excellent at one thing: zone entry. His speed allows him to the back the D off when he carries the puck and retrieve the puck on a dump and chase.

Right now, Ovechkin is absolutely brutal getting the puck in the zone and keeping there. Far too often, possessions that begin with Ovie carrying the puck up ice are ending 2 seconds after he crosses the blue line with a spoiled shot or bungled curl and drag. It’s getting to the point where I dread watching him tote the puck on the rush. He’s being far too desperate and direct in his approach to the net. Unless he has a distinct advantage (3 on 2 etc), he needs to settle for establishing possession deep (and not just hook off just inside the blue line where bad turnovers happen) in the O zone. Chimmer can help with this. It’s the one thing he excels at.

With the way teams are playing Ovie, his offense will flow from getting his forecheck on and cycling the puck down low. If BB can’t Ovie to commit seriously to that style of play, BB is probably going to get himself fired. I mean, Ovie is always talking about getting pucks deep, but then goes out and fires shot after shot into the D’s stick or flubs a skill move with 2 D back. Someone needs to hold his feet to the fire. Getting pucks deep applies to you too, Ovie. It’s not just for muckers.

by ChipAndChase on Jan 19, 2011 3:16 PM EST up reply actions  

The Bears have had a tough (by their recent standards) first half, but still have just one goal for the season.

In light of the Caps scoring troubles, I had to read that twice to realize that “goal” in this context meant objective, not scoring tally.

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Me too, miseenjeu…I was very confused for a moment.

Considering their injury issues, and the number of call ups/the number of permanently moved up players, I am quite impressed with their season.

Holtby is doing great down there for them, too!

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by RockinRed4Life on Jan 19, 2011 8:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Can someone remind me what the “Rel” part of Corsi Rel refers to? Is it Corsi relative to QualComp?

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by fat_daddyo on Jan 19, 2011 8:43 AM EST reply actions  

No, it is the “on ice” number minus the “off ice” number. Higher is better.

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by 5ive Hole on Jan 19, 2011 8:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Put another way, how much better or worse the team is with you on the ice.

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by J.P. on Jan 19, 2011 8:51 AM EST up reply actions  

I found this in my notes. I don’t remeber where I got it from so I can’t credit, but its form somewhere:

Relative Corsi – This represents the difference in Corsi rating (the balance of Total Shots For & Against) when a player is on the ice, compared to when he’s on the bench. So, for example, last season while Ryan Parent was on the ice, the balance of Total Shots For & Against tipped negatively by 22 per 60 minutes of ice time, compared to when the Flyers were playing without Parent. This is an indicator of how a given player is contributing to the flow of a game relative to his teammates.

Rel Corsi QoC – A measure of the Quality of Competition each player faced, based on the Relative Corsi values for their opponents. So, for example, last season the average player which Parent faced had a Relative Corsi value of -.779. The higher the number, the tougher the average opponent.

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by 5ive Hole on Jan 19, 2011 8:52 AM EST up reply actions  

In some, Ryan Parent blows.

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by J.P. on Jan 19, 2011 8:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Jesus… that should read “in sum.” Coffee time!

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by J.P. on Jan 19, 2011 8:55 AM EST up reply actions  

In sum, thank you, Mike Gillis.

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by Chris Burton on Jan 19, 2011 8:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Ah, I gotcha. Makes sense. Thanks.

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by fat_daddyo on Jan 19, 2011 9:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Ovechkin’s shooting. Just skip over the numbered list at the beginning.

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by red army line on Jan 19, 2011 9:22 AM EST reply actions  

In fact, Ovechkin’s road shooting percentage is completely awful – 2-for-122 overall, while he’s shooting 14-for-140 at home, which is in line with his usual numbers. No NHL forward can sustain a 2-for-122 scoring rate, so we’ll certainly see Ovechkin improve this over the rest of the season.

mmmm-nope. Ovechkin has two road power play goals, but he is 5-for-103 in road shooting. Still awful, but better. He is 11-for-108 at home.

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by ThePeerless on Jan 19, 2011 9:26 AM EST up reply actions  

I just pointed that out to him. I don’t think it changes the conclusion much, but the numbers should be right.

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by J.P. on Jan 19, 2011 9:33 AM EST up reply actions  

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by twistedlogic on Jan 19, 2011 9:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Anders Lindback

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Vesa Toskala

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by The Ghost of Bebop on Jan 19, 2011 9:28 AM EST up reply actions  

LOL!

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by CapsFan75 on Jan 19, 2011 9:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Jonas Hiller?

Played more minutes than Thomas has, has faced almost 300 more shots, save % at .927.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 19, 2011 9:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Pavelec, Price, Hiller

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by red army line on Jan 19, 2011 9:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Interesting. So would you evaluate Vezina candidates on something in addition to the “main” statistics?

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by Chris Burton on Jan 19, 2011 9:52 AM EST up reply actions  

I don’t give points for wins, but I do give points for playing lots of games. Although now when I check I see Price much lower in sv% than I remembered him being, so swap out Price for…clever, CB. Lundqvist, I’d say.

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by red army line on Jan 19, 2011 10:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Dangit. Foiled again.

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by Chris Burton on Jan 19, 2011 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Hiller wins the Tomas Vokoun Memorial Award for Putting Up Tremendous Numbers Despite Getting No Offensive Support And Facing A Bazillion Shots A Game

Anaheim’s 5-5 F/A is 0.87(23rd). Boston’s is 1.46, (tops in the league)

Anaheim puts up 28.3 shots a game (27th overall). Boston puts up 33.8 (2d overall). Their difference in shots against is negligible.

Boston scores 3.06 goals a game (7th). Anaheim scores 2.61 (21st)

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 19, 2011 10:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Anaheim also plays in a really, really good division. Boston, not so much.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 19, 2011 10:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Truth YLM speaks. Hiller plays on a team with one really good line, a second decent line, and a bunch of plumbers. Combine that with a weak defense and most night’s the guy isn’t getting much support.

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by Carl Putnam on Jan 19, 2011 10:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Bobrovsky
Quick

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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jan 19, 2011 10:24 AM EST up reply actions  

No on Quick. He’s back to being human again.

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by Carl Putnam on Jan 19, 2011 10:28 AM EST up reply actions  

He’s been playing really well lately, and if he returns to his October form, he’ll get consideration.

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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jan 19, 2011 1:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe we should start the Islanders game by stuffing one in our own net, and getting it over with.

by SA-Town on Jan 19, 2011 9:29 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

McNally tweeted last night after Varly went in that Neuvy was seen icing his left hip/groin area after the morning skate. Given that, why would BB send him out there when he has a perfectly healthy Varly on the bench?

Of course, his latest “lower body injury” could be totally unrelated, but why risk it? Also wonder if a sore hip could have been the reason he got so out of position and was unable to recover on the first goal.

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by dcsportsfan1 on Jan 19, 2011 9:30 AM EST reply actions  

Another “lower body injury.” LBI. That use to mean Long Beach Island to me. Maybe that’s the players’ problem; they’re on island time and only show up in the third. I was only able to watch half of the third period, but when I heard about the first goal within, what, 2 min.?, I thought, “Here we go again.”

by Seminrocks on Jan 19, 2011 9:37 AM EST up reply actions  

JoeB and Locker mentioned Neuvirth not looking right in warmups as well. It doesn’t make sense, it’s not like the Caps’ backup is Toskala.

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by apk3000 on Jan 19, 2011 9:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Might explain why he had such trouble getting back on Carter’s goal.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 19, 2011 9:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Probably.

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by CapsFan75 on Jan 19, 2011 9:40 AM EST up reply actions  

I was sitting in row 6 Center ice last night and watched Neurvirth stretching during warm ups and was amazed at the splits he was doing…for what that’s worth. But hearing about icing his groin last practice certainly has me scratching my head.

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I watch Varlamov stretch in warmups and MY groin hurts

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by ThePeerless on Jan 19, 2011 11:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Where’s the crazy Neuvirth splits picture?

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by red army line on Jan 19, 2011 11:59 AM EST up reply actions  

This one?

Found here.

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by EmilyB on Jan 19, 2011 12:11 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Ouch.

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by gfcaps fan on Jan 19, 2011 12:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Is that what led to his current groin issue?

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by CapsFan75 on Jan 19, 2011 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

the pads give the illusion of him being a bit more flexible than he actually is. Varly, on the other hand, is a 6’3" version of Gumby.

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BB's method of choosing his starter

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by Rather Bengt on Jan 19, 2011 9:39 AM EST up reply actions  

“X” marks the spot!… just teasin’

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by ThePeerless on Jan 19, 2011 9:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Per Bruce’s post game interview, they though Neuvy was good to go, at the end of the first he asked to be taken out.

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Happy Birthday to Sylvain Cote, the most underrated defenseman in Caps history. And acquired for a 4th I believe. Absolute theft by David Poile!

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Happy Sylvain Cote Day, everyone!!!! :D

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by Becca H on Jan 19, 2011 9:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Close…

“Traded to Washington by Hartford for Washington’s 2nd round choice (Andrei Nikolishin) in 1992 Entry Draft, September 8, 1991.”

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by J.P. on Jan 19, 2011 9:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Whew! That gets me out of writing a birhday bio ;)

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birthday

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by Rather Bengt on Jan 19, 2011 9:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Wait…you don’t want to write a birthday bio for one of my all-time favorite players ever, thus insuring I will be a happy woman for at least the next few hours??

:’(

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by Becca H on Jan 19, 2011 9:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Actually I am as we speak Becca :)

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Huzzah! Way to go, manscot…

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by Becca H on Jan 19, 2011 10:04 AM EST up reply actions  

I saw your tweets from last night this morning. How down were you?

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by STLSpidey on Jan 19, 2011 9:48 AM EST up reply actions  

I was pretty down…I’ve made a partial recovery, though. One of the good things about going into a season thinking "regular season means [Franceschetti]" is that the pain of a loss doesn’t linger as long.

Or so I tell myself before I take my happy pills :D

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by Becca H on Jan 19, 2011 10:03 AM EST up reply actions  

I understand. You have to roll with the punches in just about every aspect of life. I’m getting way too philosophical in my middle age, but the notions that “tomorrow is another day” and “celebrate life’s little victories” are very important.

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by STLSpidey on Jan 19, 2011 10:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Somewhat indirectly, Cote leads us to Michael Nylander, the first time around..

Draft pick to Harford for Cote. Hartford takes Nikolishin.

Caps pick up Nikolishin for Curtis Leschyshyn, after he played just 2 games for the Caps.

Nikolishin traded to Chicago with Chris Simon for Michael Nylander.

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by STLSpidey on Jan 19, 2011 9:46 AM EST up reply actions  

And then Nikolishin ended up in DC as well for Curtis Leschyshin (someone check the spelling, I’m too lazy to look it up…)

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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jan 19, 2011 10:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Echo?

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by STLSpidey on Jan 19, 2011 10:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Echo! Heh….it happens.

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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jan 19, 2011 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I always like Leschysin. He played on some bad teams, though.

by RCheli on Jan 19, 2011 12:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Not always… he was with Colorado in 1996 when they won the Cup.

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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jan 19, 2011 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

True. But I remember those first few years in Quebec when the forwards didn’t play much defense and left him out to dry all the time.

by RCheli on Jan 19, 2011 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

OFB Article:

In the postgame visitors’ locker room at Wells Fargo Center Tuesday night Jason Chimera approached Marcus Johansson, his linemate in overtime of the Capitals’ 3-2 loss to the Flyers, and patiently and supportively explained to the rookie the imperative of maintaining defensive zone coverage on the opposition defender bearing down on their netminder.

Thought this an odd intro to prove their point, considering Chimera is the team leader in minus by a long shot, with a minus 9. I know that +/- can be a misleading stat, but still….

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There’s an old saying – “Those who can’t do teach.”

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by J.P. on Jan 19, 2011 10:09 AM EST up reply actions  

“Those who can’t teach, teach gym.” – Woody Allen.

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by Rather Bengt on Jan 19, 2011 10:10 AM EST up reply actions  

“Do as I say, not as I do.” — my mom.

Over and over and over and over.

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by STLSpidey on Jan 19, 2011 10:11 AM EST up reply actions  

“Do as I say, not as I drink”…my Dad…over and over and over again.

"Quint?"........"No."

by NJNJ on Jan 19, 2011 11:48 AM EST up reply actions  

I think there’s a disconnect between knowing how to play defense and actually having the instincts to carry it out on the ice.

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by The Ghost of Bebop on Jan 19, 2011 10:10 AM EST up reply actions  

What is Chimera doing if:

he’s not scoring
he’s not hitting
he’s not driving play (i.e. good at Corsi)
he’s not creating scoring chances and preventing them at a good ratio
he’s penalty killing okay, but not in a lot of TOI (15th on team, although above 1 min/gm)
he’s power playing okay, but not in a lot of TOI (about 30 sec/gm)

?

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by red army line on Jan 19, 2011 10:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Rather, 8th on the Caps in hits, 16th in blocked shots…he’s 50% in the dot!

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by red army line on Jan 19, 2011 10:16 AM EST up reply actions  

FWIW, he’s also not balding – that’s a done deal.

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by J.P. on Jan 19, 2011 10:17 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Theo is one of those goalies that doesn’t have one of those blown starts yet…

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by red army line on Jan 19, 2011 10:20 AM EST up reply actions  

He’s also not blading, even though he looks like he could be a WWE Superstar.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 19, 2011 10:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Joined the club awhile ago he did.

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by Bald Pollack on Jan 19, 2011 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Sounds like a good topic for an OFB article!

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by bigeugene on Jan 19, 2011 11:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Jason Chimera: doing it all!?

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by red army line on Jan 19, 2011 11:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Caps have recalled Holtby.

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by J.P. on Jan 19, 2011 10:47 AM EST reply actions  

I know he has had a rough time up here this year, but I think he has the potential to be very good, so I am definitely happy to see him called up again.

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by RockinRed4Life on Jan 19, 2011 10:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Not me. While the Philly game was hardly a must-win, the Islander and Toronto games are and the best chance for the Caps to win rests with Varly or Neuvirth in net. Those are two games where the Caps need to walk away with at least three points and Holtby is just not NHL-ready right now.

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Holtby being up doesn’t mean he’s playing – it could just mean they want a backup in case Neuvy is injured and needs to sit.

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by timmyv38 on Jan 19, 2011 11:13 AM EST up reply actions  

If Varly and Neuvy both (eek!) are D2D, then he’s going to play.

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by fat_daddyo on Jan 19, 2011 11:28 AM EST up reply actions  

If you haven’t gotten the word, they’ve sent Neuvy back home for evaluation so Holtby will definitely play.

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by CapsFan75 on Jan 19, 2011 12:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I hadn’t heard about Varly until just a bit ago. That does change things. However, teams like Toronto and the Islanders are probably good ones for Holtby to be in. He has shown NHL potential, he just isn’t developed enough yet – but I think he can handle the bottom teams, as long as the Caps play decently.

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by timmyv38 on Jan 19, 2011 12:52 PM EST up reply actions  

The Isles and Leafs haven’t been pushovers lately.

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by EmilyB on Jan 19, 2011 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I was wondering if this was coming. Now our goaltending is DEFINITELY legitimately below average!

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by The Ghost of Bebop on Jan 19, 2011 10:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Vogel said Varly’s listed as DTD as well as Neuvy, Hotlby and Stretch seen out on the practice ice.

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by Elliotte on Jan 19, 2011 10:50 AM EST up reply actions  

We certainly have the wonky groin brigade covered, front and center. What can I say?

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by CapsFan75 on Jan 19, 2011 10:52 AM EST up reply actions  

But will Stretch get a game?

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by Ninjak on Jan 19, 2011 10:53 AM EST up reply actions  

If Holtby gets injured….

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by CapsFan75 on Jan 19, 2011 10:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Then we’re down to Dany Sabourin, and we’re really screwed.

by Wheeler on Jan 19, 2011 10:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Maybe we can get Rolo off the Isles…..oh wait,…..shit…..

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by Rather Bengt on Jan 19, 2011 10:58 AM EST up reply actions  

We could sign Nabokov and see if San Jose claims him.

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by gfcaps fan on Jan 19, 2011 11:00 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

St Louis will, if only because they have been burned so much recently that way.

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by Rather Bengt on Jan 19, 2011 11:02 AM EST up reply actions  

I’ve noticed that. I nearly posted a comment on St. Louis claiming him except they don’t really need a goalie

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by CapsFan75 on Jan 19, 2011 11:03 AM EST up reply actions  

San Jose will claim anyone these days.

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by CapsFan75 on Jan 19, 2011 11:02 AM EST up reply actions  

He hasn’t been all that great lately, has he? Not Vokoun-like, anyway.

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by gfcaps fan on Jan 19, 2011 1:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Neuvy for Jose and a season full of free wings for the fans at every game.

by Brainumbc on Jan 19, 2011 1:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Don’t think I wasn’t playing around with the though of trading for Theo. However, I think he’s been out recently, too.

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by gfcaps fan on Jan 19, 2011 1:07 PM EST up reply actions  

The young Kazakh goalie, Anton Khudobin, who has replaced Theo since he went down has saved 63 of 64 shots in his last two games, including a shutout of the Nucks Sunday evening.

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by Rather Bengt on Jan 19, 2011 1:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Screwed blue and tattooed!

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by CapsFan75 on Jan 19, 2011 10:58 AM EST up reply actions  

But Sabourin won a Cup!

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by patred48 on Jan 19, 2011 12:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Yikes.

Don’t see a problem in starting Holtby against the Isles tomorrow.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 19, 2011 10:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Wonder if that is why Neuvy started even though he looked hurt pre-game, they may have known Varly had issues too.

by MikeBrady on Jan 19, 2011 10:54 AM EST up reply actions  

The question is … who was in better shape?

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by CapsFan75 on Jan 19, 2011 10:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Good question, it seems like they decided they wanted to rest Varly and thought Neuvy wasn’t in that bad of shape. Varly’s play indicated that he was in better shape than Neuvy, but I don’t think you want him playing a lot of games if he has a groin issue. I was just thinking last night that with Neuvy’s recent tweaks and groin issues that it was a good thing that Varly’s groin seems to have settled down. Guess I was wrong. Let’s hope Holty is ready for another shot at starting in the NHL.

by vtcapsfan99 on Jan 19, 2011 11:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Holtby has one advantage — he tends to stay healthy. I hope this callup works better for him than the previous one did. Interesting, Holtby’s first callup went similarly to Neuvy’s very first callup where he did well for a couple of games at first and then had a brutal game or two.

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by CapsFan75 on Jan 19, 2011 12:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow, Varly too? He’s been carrying this team in 2011. With even Jose Theodore level goaltending we’d be in deep shit.

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by Kolzilla on Jan 19, 2011 10:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Hey Beaupre played in the Alumni Game…sign him!

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by ThePeerless on Jan 19, 2011 11:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Holtby would probably be willing to trade his stick for that, though.

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by RockinRed4Life on Jan 19, 2011 1:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Awesome. I only remember Cote from his second stint here, so it’s great to get the full story.

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by The Ghost of Bebop on Jan 19, 2011 11:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Thanks Ghost for the kind words—glad you enjoyed.

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by Rather Bengt on Jan 19, 2011 11:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Nice work.

Random: I ran into his kid at the Rusty Rudder in Dewey a couple of years ago.

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by J.P. on Jan 19, 2011 11:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Thanks J.P. Did his son play hockey also?

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by Rather Bengt on Jan 19, 2011 11:05 AM EST up reply actions  

I can only assume so.

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by J.P. on Jan 19, 2011 11:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Beautiful, beautiful work, RB! :)

Look at that picture…guy looks like he could suit up today, doesn’t he? Love it.

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by Becca H on Jan 19, 2011 11:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Looks like he’s about Chimera’s age.

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by The Ghost of Bebop on Jan 19, 2011 11:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Thanks for the kind words and support Becca :). Before you said anything about his b-day today, I was thinking about what to write on Sylvain for his b-day and if you hadn’t said anything I would have angled you into the piece because i knew you are such a big fan of him.

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by Rather Bengt on Jan 19, 2011 11:10 AM EST up reply actions  

knew you were

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by Rather Bengt on Jan 19, 2011 11:12 AM EST up reply actions  

As an addendum, during the winter, Sylvain also runs a charter fishing business out of Florida. I think it might be the Keys. For a Quebec boy, Sylvain really chases the warmth of the sun. I remember back when the Caps introduced their new jerseys a few years ago, all the other alumni showed up in pants and polo shirts. Sylvain walked in wearing a Tommy Bahama top, shorts and sandals.

by b.orr4 on Jan 19, 2011 11:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Awesome. Thanks for the addendum b.orr .

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by Rather Bengt on Jan 19, 2011 11:12 AM EST up reply actions  

I remember that!! Somewhere I have a picture, I’ll have to look when I get home. Also had sunglasses on, he was having a blast :)

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by Becca H on Jan 19, 2011 11:14 AM EST up reply actions  

There was a bar on the Hollywood Beach Broadwalk (just north of Miami) where all the Quebecers would gather and play Acadian music with the accordions and the fiddles. That was a while back but it was pretty great. Sorta like New Orleans with stone crab instead of crawfish.

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by EmilyB on Jan 19, 2011 11:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Don’t forget….Cote also suited up for Canada in the 1996 World Cup, a nice feather in his cap!

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by Kareem E. on Jan 19, 2011 11:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Thanks for the added details topshelf. :)

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by Rather Bengt on Jan 19, 2011 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

On Holtby, hopefully, the Caps will give him better offensive support than the Bears have given him as of late. Braden could have sued them for non-support.

But can the Caps give better support? Wait, it’s the Caps

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Chris Botta tweet
Looks like Kyle Okposo is very possible for season debut Thursday when #Isles play Capitals.

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by Carl Putnam on Jan 19, 2011 11:03 AM EST reply actions  

I hear Alexi Yashin is coming back, too.

by b.orr4 on Jan 19, 2011 11:04 AM EST up reply actions  

The way this season is going Mike Bossy in his prime is coming back.

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by Kolzilla on Jan 19, 2011 11:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Good to see Bossy got his back problems sorted finally. I expect us to lose Thursday on a Bob Nystrom OT winner.

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by Rather Bengt on Jan 19, 2011 11:06 AM EST up reply actions  

It was offside!!!!1

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by Rob Parker on Jan 19, 2011 1:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought the “offside!!” thing was about the Dupont goal?

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 19, 2011 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m pretty sure PHI fans still cry that Nystrom was offside on that OT winner.

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by Rob Parker on Jan 19, 2011 1:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Well don’t forget, the Flyers won a Cup.

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by Bald Pollack on Jan 19, 2011 1:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Bryan Trottier in his prime will probably rejoin them as well.

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by CapsFan75 on Jan 19, 2011 11:09 AM EST up reply actions  

If Anton Gustafsson were playing, Denis Potvin would be all over it.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 19, 2011 11:10 AM EST up reply actions  

With his leg sticking out to trip him. Bastard!

by b.orr4 on Jan 19, 2011 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Snapped him up in my fantasy league when I saw that tweet.

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by Ninjak on Jan 19, 2011 11:18 AM EST up reply actions  

If he can ever stay healthy, Okposo will be a great player. If he can be a consistent power forward on Tavares’ line, the Islanders may actually have something to look forward to.

by RCheli on Jan 19, 2011 12:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Completely disagree

I completely disagree that putting Jason Chimera alongside Ovie and Backs stinks of desperation. In fact, I’ve wanted to see it for quite awhile now. I believe that having Chimera’s speed on the ice opens up the ice for Ovechkin. Further, I believe the 3rd period last night was Ovechkin’s best in a very long time and having Chimera alongside was no coincidence.

by Croftonpost on Jan 19, 2011 11:07 AM EST reply actions  

Using Neil’s scoring chance numbers, only MP, Marjo, AO, and Brads are on for more scoring chances against per 15 minutes, and all of them are higher in scoring chances for per 15 minutes (Bradley and Marjo only by a bit, MP and AO are more than a chance better).

Using behindthenet, Bradley, MP, and Marjo (especially the last two) get easier zone starts—Chimera is about team average, about 52%—but in terms of competition, Chimera looks like he gets it much easier than MJ, about even with AO, and harder than MP. Bradley is the only one who on average gets worse teammates.

Maybe it’s not desperation, but there’s little to make me think Chimera is a legitimate top line forward…even on the Edmonton Oilers. He brings a lot of speed and “sandpaper” but I don’t think he’s opening up the ice. Teams just key in on Ovechkin and stopping his linemates is a bonus.

If Chimera becomes a huge scoring threat, then maybe it opens up the ice for AO. A little. But he’d need to become a 30+ goal scorer for that, I think.

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by red army line on Jan 19, 2011 11:57 AM EST up reply actions  

there’s little to make me think Chimera is a legitimate top line forward

This seems to me to be getting caught up in labels a little too much.

If Chimera brings strength to the front line, and Ovie & Backstrom start playing great again, I couldn’t care less what we label Chimera as.

I’ll label him Ovie & Backstrom’s new line mate.

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by smutsboy1 on Jan 19, 2011 1:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Ovie Post Game.

As I was getting out of my car this morning, I heard Mike Wise say that Ovie called out the system they are playing in his comments to the media last night.
Mike Wise’s radio staff was looking for the clip, I wish I could have stayed to listen but had to get to my office.
If this true have any of you heard the clip Mike Wise is talking about?

by DBake on Jan 19, 2011 11:15 AM EST reply actions  

I’m sure we would have been all over it if he had. Considering the source, I don’t buy it.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 19, 2011 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I kind of doubt it.

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by The Ghost of Bebop on Jan 19, 2011 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

I watched his postgame interview last night, don’t remember him calling out the system. He talked about needing to crash the net more and pick up rebounds and play angrier, but if he said anything like Wise is suggesting I missed it.

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by Becca H on Jan 19, 2011 11:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Ovi’s post-game scrum is there in the Clips (Caps365/players) for anyone who wants to listen.

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by J.P. on Jan 19, 2011 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

This is the only thing he’s quoted with in CI’s recap

“After every game we say if we score one goal ugly we think like okay, this gets us going. It has to be every game, working hard,” Alex Ovechkin said. “All guys in this room understand if we work hard and if we use our skill nobody can stop us. Right now you can see first two periods … we have probably four shots on net, six shots on net. That’s not our game. We have to go to the net, find the rebound, crash the net, make some hits and be angry.”

And like I said, if he had “called out the system”, it would probably be a massive story in the hockey world.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 19, 2011 11:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Right. My guess is Wise is interpreting “… That’s not our game. We have to go to the net, find the rebound, crash the net, make some hits and be angry” as “The current system isn’t working.” It’s a leap.

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by J.P. on Jan 19, 2011 11:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Doesnt sound to me like hes calling out the system. Sounds like he is saying they didnt play a full 60 mins, as if they are ever do. If they played in the 1st and 2nd they way they did in the 3rd they could have won last night.

He does however sound very much at a loss right now. And very down on himself.

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by Cap-O-Vens on Jan 19, 2011 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed on all counts. Just pointing out the most likely source of Wise’s assertion that AO “called out the system.”

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by J.P. on Jan 19, 2011 11:25 AM EST up reply actions  

no doubt…its wise we are talking about here.

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by Cap-O-Vens on Jan 19, 2011 11:28 AM EST up reply actions  

It’s just Wise trying to stir up shit. Which is his job, I guess.

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by ThePeerless on Jan 19, 2011 11:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Disappointed as I was expecting a Morley Safer shoutout.

(That said I appreciate the common sense approach)

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by Rather Bengt on Jan 19, 2011 11:30 AM EST up reply actions  

I dont think they should dominate 60 mins. Sure their opponent is going to do some good things, create some chances and we are going to let up some opportunities. However there are some things that are in our control that we dont do for 60 mins, ie Skating and Hitting.

Take the last 3 games for example Van, Ott, Phi, for 2 periods goal tending kept us in the game and it looked as if we were going thru the motions. Then in the 3rd we started flying, bodies started flying and we produced some scoring chances. I just think we need to pick up our intensity for more then 20 mins of the game.

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by Cap-O-Vens on Jan 19, 2011 11:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Every year in September we assure ourselves that the regular season means dick. Then we proceed to get damned good and angry when the team plays like it shares that feeling.

I’ve seen what happens when the team is mailing it in in March after ripping off wins in January.

If they’re still scuffling in March, I’ll get a little worried. Until that time, I won’t.

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by fat_daddyo on Jan 19, 2011 12:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I have been preaching that sentiment all season. I think that what they are going thru is good for them for a Cup run. I only get concerned when it seems like the team is frustrated and clueless and all the line shuffling looks like panic mode to me.

None of this explains why 8 and 19 look so off. And if 8 and 19 are on I dont think we struggle as much. If 8 and 19 dont get it going we have no shot to play in June. And I dont see them breaking loose any time soon.

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by Cap-O-Vens on Jan 19, 2011 12:41 PM EST up reply actions  

AO looks “off” because his shots are going in at astronomically low rates. Once he starts finding twine again, he’ll look better to us all.

Backstrom…no clue.

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by fat_daddyo on Jan 19, 2011 12:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Sergei Fedorov at the trade teadline (somehow) for 2C for the rest of the run! WOOOO!!!!

That should be just few enough games where he can make it without falling apart.

by Brainumbc on Jan 19, 2011 12:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I found it interesting in the link JP provided about Backstrom’s faceoff struggles that Feds apparently helped Nicky out a lot on faceoffs. Many he could teach our next baby Swede?

by vtcapsfan99 on Jan 19, 2011 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Plus, if you had someone injured, wouldn’t it be niceer to have Sergei able to fill most of the roles , at least adequately.

by Brainumbc on Jan 19, 2011 1:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I think has just gotten too old. But I do enjoy reading more examples of how he was such a great teammate. In Boudreau’s book, he said Brooks Laich came to him and said how great Feds was at leadership and asked for the team to sign him for another season, which they did.

by vtcapsfan99 on Jan 19, 2011 1:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Fedorov was obviously loved so much that he was brought back by popular demand. Ovi wanted him back. So did Semin, among other people, not just Brooksie.

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by CapsFan75 on Jan 19, 2011 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I hear now he can even come back as our enforcer :)

by Brainumbc on Jan 19, 2011 2:41 PM EST up reply actions  

LOL!

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by CapsFan75 on Jan 19, 2011 2:50 PM EST up reply actions  

AO is also Snapping Sticks, Whiffing on One-Timers (and whiffing on goals he scores with his hand), leaving pucks behind, and ringing the posts at astronomically high rates for him.

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by Cap-O-Vens on Jan 19, 2011 1:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Well he became a celebrity in DC. Maybe he’s doing the crack

by Brainumbc on Jan 19, 2011 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Nah, he showed up to camp overweight, remember, If he came it at 170 and a couple of more missing teeth I may agree.

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by Cap-O-Vens on Jan 19, 2011 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Basically looking like Christian Bale in The Fighter?

by Brainumbc on Jan 19, 2011 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

yes he looked like a white pookie

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by Cap-O-Vens on Jan 19, 2011 2:00 PM EST up reply actions  

don’t forget falling down. It seems like he is falling more frequently this season.

by vtcapsfan99 on Jan 19, 2011 1:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I think it’s all about effort and mental focus. No one thinks “60 minute effort” means wire-to-wire domination, but what it does mean is a consistent effort and few if any mental lapses. Everyone knows that games ebb and flow – no reason to exacerbate the low points with poor effort or mistakes.

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by J.P. on Jan 19, 2011 11:36 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Well, when you are used to dangling pucks on a string and laying down a dominant forecheck (last year), and you go to dump and chase (this year), I dont think the problem is lack of effort, but mental focus. The boys are even learning a new way to tie their skates again, it seems. That second period comparison to the Flyers was scary.

The key is familarity: these Flyers are used to each other, and guys like Giroux who looked like Matty and MoJo are just killing it now. Losing the known quantities, Flash, Semin, even Brads has had a measurable influence.

 I dont know if the 2C question will be further addressed in time for the playoffs, but I think we’re staring at our likely 2C right now. It is obvious there is enough skill to compete and win. I think more patience is probably in order, because I dont see a deadline deal happening for a 2C.

by S h a g g y on Jan 19, 2011 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

I think we’re on the same page, fd. (from last night’s recap):

I have to say that I’m getting weary of this "60 minute game" term that gets thrown around so much, not just here but in broadcasts and recaps and even by coaches. If you sit around and watch ten games in a night, you’ll be lucky if you see one or two teams play a "60-minute game" because that means the opposition flat-out stunk and in today’s NHL that almost never happens. Against a really good team like the Flyers, its unrealistic to expect the Caps not to get dominated for periods of time. I thought the Caps were the better team for about 30 minutes of this game which means the best team in the league was getting outplayed for half the game. Last year, maybe the Caps win this game, but this isn’t last year’s Caps and this most definitely isn’t last year’s Flyers. I wanted the two points, but I’m more than satisfied with the one.
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by b.orr4 on Jan 19, 2011 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Regarding last night, I thought there was a period in the second half of the first that the Caps controlled the play. The momentum shifted again with the late PP in the first, but I didn’t think they were blown out of the period as they have been lately. If Baxter shoots or Knuble passes that period could easily have ended up tied.

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by Rob Parker on Jan 19, 2011 1:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks for clearing that up. I know Mike Wise isn’t the smartest when it comes to hockey, but since they were looking for the clip, I thought there was actual evidence to the story.

by DBake on Jan 19, 2011 11:27 AM EST reply actions  

Comcast/NBC deal

More details/analysis via the link below.

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no mention of the hockey coverage, but since it was mentioned in yesterday’s clips comments, I figured I’d post this here as well

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by Sombrero Guy on Jan 19, 2011 11:37 AM EST reply actions  

Makes the NHL look pretty smart for going to Versus, especially since Versus now has all that Comcast/NBC money behind it.

But until they get the NFL in some fashion (which ain’t gonna happen for a while since ESPN just reupped MNF for another decade and the NFL doesn’t want to put its other cable games on channels that aren’t its own network) it’s still going to be looked at as a fly-by-night network.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 19, 2011 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

NBC does have Sunday night Football still, unless that ends after this season

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by Sombrero Guy on Jan 19, 2011 11:42 AM EST up reply actions  

The Sunday Night Game, which is still the NFL, but it’s not the AFC/NFC package that Fox and CBS have.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 19, 2011 11:45 AM EST up reply actions  

But its worth just as much, since it only requires one broadcast team and it airs nationally. Plus NBC/Comcast gets next years Superbowl.

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by Doncosmic on Jan 19, 2011 1:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Whoa, careful… complimenting the League is gonna kill your street cred.

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by J.P. on Jan 19, 2011 11:42 AM EST up reply actions  

I never really thought it was that “bad” of a deal. They weren’t going to come back to ESPN for the poo poo money and exposure they were being offered, so they went to a place where they were the main draw (for a lot more money). Sure they sacrificed some general TV exposure, but they make up for it by being significantly more of a presence on the web than the NFL (still in the Stone Age) and the NBA and MLB.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 19, 2011 11:47 AM EST up reply actions  

I don’t see anything good about it for the NHL. NBC is goosing the league, offering them nothing but ad shares for the games they show. What’s to stop Comcast from telling NHL they’re giving them the same deal on Versus? Based on their history, I don’t see Comcast as being benevolent towards the NHL, just to themselves.

The NBA is looking very much like it’s going to a lockout next season; here’s hoping ESPN comes calling for the NHL to fill in the void.

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by bagace on Jan 19, 2011 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

NFL is in danger of a lockout, too.

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by Ninjak on Jan 19, 2011 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I can’t imagine the NFL actually loses a whole season. It’s just too much money at stake. Also there is no way the NFL wants to give up any popularity and power to the other leagues. Currently the NFLPA can’t agree with the NFL owners about even scheduling meetings, much less the bigger issues.

by vtcapsfan99 on Jan 19, 2011 12:51 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s what I was thinking too: That there’s too much money on the table for the NFL to go through with it. But the NBA has so many issues and neither side is even considering backing down. Plus, ESPN only has MNF, which has become a catch-all game (as opposed to the weekly marquee game that’s played Sunday night on NBC). If the NBA shuts down it will devistate ESPN, as well as ABC’s weekend programming.

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by bagace on Jan 19, 2011 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

We can see the Worlds Strongest Man and the Lumberjack Olympics 24/7 then …. I see nothing wrong with that …

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by TheFuryUnleashed on Jan 19, 2011 1:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I think we are going to see more college football and basketball to take the place on the NBA.

by vtcapsfan99 on Jan 19, 2011 1:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I miss PBS's sports coverage

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by Rather Bengt on Jan 19, 2011 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

NFL on Versus? That is really laughable.

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by Ninjak on Jan 19, 2011 11:42 AM EST up reply actions  

No, there will be Olympics on Vs. and more NFL coverage when NBC’s sports team gets integrated with Vs.

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by Doncosmic on Jan 19, 2011 1:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Philly rulez!

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by Bald Pollack on Jan 19, 2011 11:41 AM EST up reply actions  

I wonder if Ovie is “struggling” just because he’s got a stick up his ass from all the stress and expectations.

I think there might be a used for the All Star game. Maybe he gets to mess around and have a little fun and losen up. If you need to practice some “cute moves” or something bizarre, that’s a good place to do it against the best opposition :)

I’m picturing something like Ovie doing a triple backflip over Lidstrom and scoring a goal, and then running into the Redwings in the finals or something.

by Brainumbc on Jan 19, 2011 11:45 AM EST reply actions  

Vogel says Neuvy on his way home to DC for evaluation. Ugh.

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by gfcaps fan on Jan 19, 2011 11:51 AM EST reply actions  

O dear.

You perhaps knew me better as "Your Nation's Capital." Same great commentary, now with 100% more transparency!

by EmilyB on Jan 19, 2011 11:52 AM EST up reply actions  

See? I told you!

/Feinstein’d

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by Bald Pollack on Jan 19, 2011 11:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Time for the Holtby to come and smack some people around. Where’s MAH MONEY!

by Brainumbc on Jan 19, 2011 11:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Sounds like Neuvy could be out for awhile. Let’s hope that Varly has a less serious groin injury or things could really go south for the caps.

by vtcapsfan99 on Jan 19, 2011 11:59 AM EST up reply actions  

there’s a goalie injury epidemic right now. Minnesota lost both their starters (although I think Backstrom might practice today), Detroit lost both of theirs as well and had their 4th stringer break his hand yesterday, Washington’s are starting to drop like flies

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by RedBirdie on Jan 19, 2011 2:34 PM EST up reply actions  

“IT’S A WAR OF ATTRITION!!”

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 19, 2011 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Its finally happened. Per CI

Both Michal Neuvirth and Semyon Varlamov are not participating in practice today and are listed as day-to-day with undisclosed lower-body injuries.

Braden Holtby has been recalled.

Bruce Boudreau when asked about Brooks Laich's return to the lineup, he said: "He just adds another dimension to our team. If it was puzzle, he just fits that thing. He completes us."

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by breaklance on Jan 19, 2011 11:53 AM EST reply actions  

So does Holtby get a start in the house Billy Smith built?

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by Rather Bengt on Jan 19, 2011 11:59 AM EST up reply actions  

The more important question is whether he plays in both New York and Toronto.

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by gfcaps fan on Jan 19, 2011 12:02 PM EST up reply actions  

He probably should. The NYR and Atlanta games next week are much more important.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 19, 2011 12:06 PM EST up reply actions  

And probably will since who else would start in his place. Considering Neuvy’s been sent home and Varly is also hurt.

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by CapsFan75 on Jan 19, 2011 12:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Varly is still on the trip and imo will sit the NYI game. He managed to finish the game after making many acrobatic saves so my thought, and hope, is that its just feeling tight and a few days of rest would get it back to #awesomegroin

Bruce Boudreau when asked about Brooks Laich's return to the lineup, he said: "He just adds another dimension to our team. If it was puzzle, he just fits that thing. He completes us."

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by breaklance on Jan 19, 2011 12:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I now learned from CI that Varly was given a maintenance day but they’re hopeful that he’ll suit up against the Isles.

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by CapsFan75 on Jan 19, 2011 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Indeed. Was more of a question about how long they’ll let Varly sit and recover, assuming he’s really day-to-day and will be fine.

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by gfcaps fan on Jan 19, 2011 12:38 PM EST up reply actions  

And this, after all the debate with BtN about it not being legitimate to include Holtby…

The guy is Peter Schumpmaker. Lord knows what a schump is, but you can bet your bippy his ancestors made them. What he's doing is far worse than crafting fine schumps.

by Steckel Me Elmo on Jan 19, 2011 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

After the 5-on-3 goals in FLA and now this, yeah, Hawerchuk is looking pretty good.

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by fat_daddyo on Jan 19, 2011 1:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Disagree. He still looks like an ass. If he had just said the numbers were due for some regression he would have looked better, but he would have been telling us what we already knew.

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by Rob Parker on Jan 19, 2011 2:00 PM EST up reply actions  

From Darren Dreger
For family reasons, Iginla may not participate in All Star. Hemsky’s concussion makes him longshot. Briere likely to get the call

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by Rather Bengt on Jan 19, 2011 12:05 PM EST reply actions  

…Backstrom?

You had me at no problem.

by Ninjak on Jan 19, 2011 12:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Nah….Dave Steckel.

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by twistedlogic on Jan 19, 2011 12:35 PM EST up reply actions  

The Crosby really WILL boycott the ASG

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by ThePeerless on Jan 19, 2011 12:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Sportsman of the year!

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by Ninjak on Jan 19, 2011 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I’ll boycott the ASG the day Dave Steckel is in it.

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by Rob Parker on Jan 19, 2011 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

He’s an All Star in BB’s heart.

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by Ninjak on Jan 19, 2011 1:34 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

And he is leading the league in one category that helps the team… most players aren’t. Admittedly it is face off percentage.

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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jan 19, 2011 1:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Gross. Gross gross gross.

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by Becca H on Jan 19, 2011 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Should be John Tavares.

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by Chris Burton on Jan 19, 2011 12:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Why? Briere is having a pretty damn good year.

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by Rob Parker on Jan 19, 2011 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

No Isles at all in the ASG.

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by Ninjak on Jan 19, 2011 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Awwwwwwwww.

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by Rob Parker on Jan 19, 2011 1:36 PM EST up reply actions  

They have Grabner on the rookie team thing

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 19, 2011 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Buffalo, NYI, Florida, and Phoenix only have all-star rookie people.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 19, 2011 1:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Variety of reasons. No Isles in the game, he’s more important to them than Briere is to the Flyers, etc.

Mainly, though, I just hate Briere.

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by Chris Burton on Jan 19, 2011 2:31 PM EST up reply actions  

odds that Briere might spear someone in an exhibition game?

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by RedBirdie on Jan 19, 2011 2:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I hate Briere as well, but he’s having a better year than Tavares so far.

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by Rob Parker on Jan 19, 2011 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Along with having a better year than anyone on the Caps, as well.

Only last year his contract was considered an albatross for the Flyers

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by CapsFan75 on Jan 19, 2011 3:10 PM EST up reply actions  

A better year at being a dirty prick, sure.

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by Scott in Shaw on Jan 19, 2011 5:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Flames confirmed the Iggy is out, Flyers announce Briere is in. Puck Daddy has the details.

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by RedBirdie on Jan 19, 2011 2:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Let’s be realistic. Do we have to take a flyer on Nabokov at this point? Kudos to the Blues for at least making the attempt at Svatos and Wellwood. No harm, no foul.

If I look at the Eastern Conference (thinking about playoff competitions), there is risk of someone claiming him, but I, for one, am willing to take it:

Flyers – could use him, anything over $2M would max them out for the year, assuming no subtractions.
Penguins – MAF is their clear #1 and no way they have enough cap space.
Bruins – no need
Rangers – plenty of cap space, but would seem nuts given King Henrik
TBL — unlikely, given recent acquisition of Roloson, but possible
Canadiens — unlikely, given focus on Price and no cap space once LTIR is cleared
Thrashers – Nabokov/Pavelic is a formidable pairing
Hurricanes — same thought for Nabokov/Ward

Downside of Nabokov is that it would likely prevent you from adding a big name at the deadline, unless someone was subtracted and would hurt further if it was multi-year.

This is also a bit of a prisoner’s dilemma. If the Caps’ don’t sign him, they have a shot. If they don’t sign him and wait for someone else to, that may not happen or someone with a worse record may claim him first.

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by STLSpidey on Jan 19, 2011 12:16 PM EST reply actions  

No way he survives waivers to get here. And we aren’t even sure the other two will miss a significant amount of time.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 19, 2011 12:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Agree that Nabby would probably not survive waivers to make it to us. Of our goalies, if Neuvy’s being evaluated, he may be out a bit. As for Varly, there’s no data.

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by CapsFan75 on Jan 19, 2011 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Now Malkin’s injured too?

#Pens coach Bylsma: Malkin undisclosed injury. He won’t play at New Jersey on Thur

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by Ninjak on Jan 19, 2011 12:45 PM EST reply actions  

Good to know we aren’t the only ones with the injury bug.

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by The Ghost of Bebop on Jan 19, 2011 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

They’re going to start calling up players from Hershey for the ASG :)

by Brainumbc on Jan 19, 2011 12:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Keith Aucoin, White Courtesy Phone…

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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jan 19, 2011 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually helps Hershey. WBS is killing EVERYONE in the A.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 19, 2011 1:39 PM EST up reply actions  

The defense in Wilkes-Barre is pretty solid, and I think will mean the exit of Alex Goligoski at the trade deadline.

by RCheli on Jan 19, 2011 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I think the emergence of Kris Letang has as much to do with that as anything.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 19, 2011 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

And the long term deals to the other D, tight cap space, need for a W, desire to not re-sign Gogo at the cost he’d probably demand for him to be 5D. He does make sense, we just haven’t seen Shero ship out such an important roster player at the deadline before. It’ll be interesting to watch for sure.

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by Rob Parker on Jan 19, 2011 1:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Speaking of how +/- isn’t a good stat, Goligoski’s a +21 this year.

by RCheli on Jan 19, 2011 1:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t see much difference between Gogo and Ryan Whitney, whom they had ZERO problems shipping out of town for Kunitz and Tangradi.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 19, 2011 1:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Contract, I think.

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by red army line on Jan 19, 2011 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

And Whitney was on a bad one while Gogo isn’t.

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by Rob Parker on Jan 19, 2011 2:00 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s a bad contract on a capped-out team.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 19, 2011 2:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Gogo’s? 1.8 for a 5D with that kind of offensive skill? I would trade a D contract or two for that.

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by Rob Parker on Jan 19, 2011 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

So who are you willing to trade from our team for Gogo?

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by CapsFan75 on Jan 19, 2011 2:37 PM EST up reply actions  

A Caps-Pens trade is just not going to happen. We’re not going to give them a winger, they’re not going to give us a defender.

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by Ninjak on Jan 19, 2011 2:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed. Also, I don’t know if the Caps need Goligoski — with Green and Carlson (and sometimes Poti), they have enough offensively-talented defensemen.

I’m sure the Pens would trade him for Fehr, however.

by RCheli on Jan 19, 2011 2:43 PM EST up reply actions  

They couldn’t, though. Not without moving more salary.

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by Ninjak on Jan 19, 2011 2:44 PM EST up reply actions  

If they waited until the deadline, it would work. Barely.

by RCheli on Jan 19, 2011 3:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m not saying a real trade, but I’d rather have Gogo on his contract than Sloan, Erskine, or Poti’s extension.

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by Rob Parker on Jan 19, 2011 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I’ll admit I questioned the extension for Poti as well.

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by CapsFan75 on Jan 19, 2011 3:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Goligoski’s better than Sloan and Erskine and plays a game similar to Poti did about a decade ago.

Wouldn’t you like a defense corps of:

Green/Schultz
Carlson/Alzner
Goligoski/Hannan

That’s not terrible. (Also assuming that Poti is going to be limited for the remainder of the season due to his innumerable injuries.)

by RCheli on Jan 19, 2011 3:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Given the cap hits I might take that lineup even if Poti were healthy.

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by Rob Parker on Jan 19, 2011 3:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Not terrible? That D Corps is downright good. Every one of those players could take top-4 minutes on a good team.

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by Knee high to a duck on Jan 19, 2011 7:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Wait, I’m confused. Whitney’s was a bad contract, but Goligoski’s isn’t.

by RCheli on Jan 19, 2011 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

No, they’re both bad contracts. Wouldn’t you say the main reason Gogo has to “go go” is because he costs too much relative to his position on the team?

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 19, 2011 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t think Gogo’s is bad. 1.8 is a pretty decent deal for a 5D that can play PP.

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by Rob Parker on Jan 19, 2011 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

He averages more than 20 minutes a game and has 26 points already. For less than $2 million, he’s got a good deal.

by RCheli on Jan 19, 2011 2:13 PM EST up reply actions  

But not on that team. It’s a killer, especially when they have other needs. It’s only value is that it’s easily tradeable.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 19, 2011 2:13 PM EST up reply actions  

The average NHL salary is $2.4M. So he’s getting 25% less than that.

The Caps are a bit spoiled because two of their best defensemen are still on their entry-level deals.

I do think that Goligoski is likely to be traded, but it’s mostly because he’s a valuable asset that can get them a good winger in return.

by RCheli on Jan 19, 2011 2:15 PM EST up reply actions  

There’s no possible way you can spin Alzner as better than Green. Believe me, I’ve tried.

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by Knee high to a duck on Jan 19, 2011 7:11 PM EST up reply actions  

The Penguins have three bad contracts: Fleury, Orpik, and Kunitz. Kunitz’s deal is less terrible because it meant getting rid of Whitney, but Orpik and Fleury are way overpaid.

by RCheli on Jan 19, 2011 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

And Orpik took a hometown discount!

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by Rob Parker on Jan 19, 2011 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Fleury is pretty much the exact same goaltender Cam Ward is. Ward makes over a million dollars more per year for a year longer on duration.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 19, 2011 2:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh, I know. But that just means Ward is waaaaaay overpaid.

by RCheli on Jan 19, 2011 2:15 PM EST up reply actions  

But good luck trying to find someone to tell you that ;)

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 19, 2011 2:17 PM EST up reply actions  

The most overpaid goalie is Kiprusoff, though. He’s getting $7M this year and $6M next.

by RCheli on Jan 19, 2011 2:17 PM EST up reply actions  

His cap hit though, is 5.8

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 19, 2011 2:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Which ranks him behind Lundqvist (6.8), Ward (6.3), Miller (6.2), Giggy (6), and Backstrom (6), and just ahead of Vokoun (5.7)

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 19, 2011 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Don’t forget Luongo, whose contract goes onto about 2019-2020 but his cap hit is now $5.3 M

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by CapsFan75 on Jan 19, 2011 2:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Ward gets extra for having to play for Carolina

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by Elliotte on Jan 19, 2011 2:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Kunitz is a synergy deal with Crosby. He’s great at forechecking and keeping the puck below the circles, and Crosby is without question the most dangerous player in the NHL below the dots. I would do awful things to have Kunitz (and his contract) playing for the Caps.

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by Knee high to a duck on Jan 19, 2011 7:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Whitney’s a much better player than Goligoski. His problem was he wasn’t playing defense and he had a huge contract.

by RCheli on Jan 19, 2011 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

And he has feet that would make Rex Ryan turn away in disgust.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 19, 2011 2:00 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

ZING!

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by Cap-O-Vens on Jan 19, 2011 2:02 PM EST up reply actions  

They have to move SOMEONE off the salary cap if they’re going to acquire a winger, right?

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by Ninjak on Jan 19, 2011 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Sheesh.

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by fat_daddyo on Jan 19, 2011 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

His knee has been iffy all season, but who knows.

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by EmilyB on Jan 19, 2011 1:04 PM EST up reply actions  

our next goalie mask should be ghost rider

that would look tre’ awesome …. rocking the red with a flaming skull

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For Hotby? Mix that in with a ball and chain for a stick, and allow him to perh atop of battle cat from Hee man.

by Brainumbc on Jan 19, 2011 12:52 PM EST up reply actions  

make that hotlby’s mask …

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The goggles do nothing!

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by Rob Parker on Jan 19, 2011 2:07 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Agree 1000%, particularly with the fact that BB’s probably not considering this. We’ve seen how quick he is to juggle lines, how willing he is to break up Hannan/Green to (conceivably) jumpstart Schultz, etc. – the fact that 27/74 has remained largely intact for the last few months, and the fact that they’ve been getting increased time against other teams’ best lines, tells me that it’s probably the one part of the lineup that BB is completely comfortable with. And for good reason.

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by Becca H on Jan 19, 2011 1:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Well said F&B. Agree totally. Also I say go back to Green/Hannan

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by Rather Bengt on Jan 19, 2011 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I think that one is going to have to wait for Poti to be really healthy, and even then he’ll probably try Hannan/Poti first.

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by Rob Parker on Jan 19, 2011 2:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Could be waiting until next season, you know (re: Poti).

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by gfcaps fan on Jan 19, 2011 2:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Unfortunately yes.

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by Rob Parker on Jan 19, 2011 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

The last time BB broke them up, the entire team protested by losing 7-0.

by wickedwitch on Jan 19, 2011 6:23 PM EST up reply actions  

You just KNOW there was intent to injure on both the Crosby and the Fehr hits.

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by Ninjak on Jan 19, 2011 1:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I heard Steckel’s wife might be dating Colin Campbell’s daughter…

Made that politically correct for you. I AM MAKING THIS UP.

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by gfcaps fan on Jan 19, 2011 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

At least its not his son. :)

by aleand on Jan 20, 2011 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Beagle was interferring with Steckel.

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by patred48 on Jan 19, 2011 2:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Well Beagle didn’t see him because he had his head down, so Steckel has to be responsible and skate around him.

by mch on Jan 19, 2011 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Well....gross.
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by mch on Jan 19, 2011 1:52 PM EST reply actions  

Great… Just in time for the playoffs…

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by Ninjak on Jan 19, 2011 1:57 PM EST up reply actions  

They can’t resist the ’stache

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 19, 2011 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Honest mistake. I swear.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 19, 2011 2:03 PM EST up reply actions  

You just need to post Walt throwing the pizza in protest of yourself.

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by Rob Parker on Jan 19, 2011 3:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I think he should just post that .gif without a subject line so that the Internet explodes.

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by SmallZ827 on Jan 19, 2011 3:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought G. Gordon Liddy was much older looking.

by b.orr4 on Jan 19, 2011 5:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Great. Let’s just put him and Milbury together on the same set to cover Caps (er, Craps) games.

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by STLSpidey on Jan 19, 2011 2:04 PM EST up reply actions  

They would literally be the human version of Statler and Waldorf.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 19, 2011 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

The difference is Statler and Waldorf were actually funny.

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by Carl Putnam on Jan 19, 2011 4:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Ahhh!! Don’t mention Waldorf.

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by Brainumbc on Jan 19, 2011 4:45 PM EST up reply actions  

We're all out of waldorf

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by fat_daddyo on Jan 19, 2011 4:59 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Classic.

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by Ninjak on Jan 19, 2011 5:09 PM EST up reply actions  

The network will have its April Fool.

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by oldemystix on Jan 19, 2011 2:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Wilbon leaves Post for ESPN…Cox leaves Star for TSN. It must be a bald guy thing.

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by ThePeerless on Jan 19, 2011 3:18 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s not a bald guy thing. It’s a ginormous ego thing.

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by STLSpidey on Jan 19, 2011 3:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Yea, but Wilbon was a good columnist back when he was primarily a columnist. Also he is damn good when he sticks to the NBA.

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by Doncosmic on Jan 19, 2011 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

NBA? Is that a real sport?

by b.orr4 on Jan 19, 2011 5:13 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s probably more a death of print journalism thing.

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by cuqui on Jan 19, 2011 3:25 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s probably more a death of print journalism thing.

FTFY… :(

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by Ninjak on Jan 19, 2011 4:38 PM EST up reply actions  

It is a bald guy thing.

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by Rather Bengt on Jan 19, 2011 3:32 PM EST up reply actions  

…Don’s new secretary?

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by Becca H on Jan 19, 2011 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Joan’s bra. Job has a lot of heavy lifting involved.

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by Rather Bengt on Jan 19, 2011 3:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Don’t wear yourself out.

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by Ninjak on Jan 19, 2011 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I disagree. Wear yourself out.

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by STLSpidey on Jan 19, 2011 4:06 PM EST up reply actions  

But then you’d lose the job! Disaster!

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by Ninjak on Jan 19, 2011 4:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Especially with a hot new competitor waiting in the wings who’s wearing a baseball cap.

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by CapsFan75 on Jan 19, 2011 4:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Another side effect of all these injuries needs to be considered, in my opinion. We started out the season with all this available cap space, but carrying a roster of 25 or 26 or whatever we’re up to now is rapidly eating into that. Assuming there was a desirable 2C out there to trade for, we may not be able to afford him any more, even with someone going to the other way (I assume it would be a Hershey-level contract).

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by gfcaps fan on Jan 19, 2011 2:14 PM EST reply actions  

"Neutral" observer claims Steckel tried to hurt Crosby

Don Cherry on Steckel-Crosby:

"I came on right after that, two minutes, and I said, ‘The kid meant to hit him. He saw him, he didn’t say he set him up, but he hit him,"’ said Cherry. "If you hit something, you look back, what did I hit?"

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/hockey/cherry-says-players-have-no-respect/article1875958/

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by Ninjak on Jan 19, 2011 3:25 PM EST reply actions  

paging Peggy Olsen .gif, Peggy Olsen .gif please report to Japer’s Rink at once…

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by bilspacecadet on Jan 19, 2011 3:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Cherry’s no Crosby fan, and he loves guys like Steckel.

by RCheli on Jan 19, 2011 3:30 PM EST up reply actions  

This is true.

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by Rather Bengt on Jan 19, 2011 3:33 PM EST up reply actions  

But Steckel is an American.

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by Doncosmic on Jan 19, 2011 3:38 PM EST up reply actions  

If Steckel were German or Swiss or — gasp! — Russian, I might say something, but I don’t think he’d side with Crosby over this just because Steckel is from Michigan.

by RCheli on Jan 19, 2011 3:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Thought Stecks was from Wisconsin.

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by Tikkanese on Jan 19, 2011 3:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Isn’t Wisconsin really just South-Central Canada?

by Brainumbc on Jan 19, 2011 4:25 PM EST up reply actions  

They (the Canadians) wish.

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by CapsFan75 on Jan 19, 2011 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Says you.

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by Rather Bengt on Jan 19, 2011 4:40 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

no, that’s Minnesoooooooota.

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by RedBirdie on Jan 19, 2011 4:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Steckel was pretty aware of what he hit, a hockey player. I mean, it’s not like he’s driving a car and wondering whether he hit a deer or a pot hole or another car. There are only a few things you can run into on the ice at any given time and with the exception of the goal, they are all humans. And I don’t think anyone is suggesting he didn’t know he hit someone, just that he didn’t intend to.

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by dcsportsfan1 on Jan 19, 2011 3:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Cherry’s point is that if Steckel was really surprised, if it was really unintentional, Steckel would have turned to look back like “WTF, where did that come from?” I don’t know if I agree, but I see his point. I think Steckel might have just not given a shit because he was trying to get up ice.

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by Rob Parker on Jan 19, 2011 3:47 PM EST up reply actions  

It looked to me like Steckel DID have that reaction, but he was chasing the puck, and not about to stop and lollygag.

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by Ninjak on Jan 19, 2011 3:57 PM EST up reply actions  

not that one can really tell the difference between Steckel at full speed and Steckel slowing down to lollygag.

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by RedBirdie on Jan 19, 2011 4:52 PM EST up reply actions  

in my adult (beer) league, when I set up in front of the net, every now and then some fat asshole who thinks he’s Chris Pronger starts wailing on me with cross checks. It surprises me, but I don’t look back, because even in a joke non checking beer league, there is contact when you don’t expect it. You don’t stop playing, especially when the puck is in play.

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by Sombrero Guy on Jan 19, 2011 8:31 PM EST up reply actions  

In the WC post-game interview, when asked about the Crosby collision Steckel said he “didn’t even know it was him until I looked back”. Maybe Cherry was just looking at the short HBO clip and not the game.

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by bagace on Jan 19, 2011 4:15 PM EST up reply actions  

“If you hit something, you look back, what did I hit?”

Really? Then you should take all hitting out of the game. I’m not going to waste my eyeballs clicking on the story, but that’s what that quote says to me. Of course he had to know he ran into someone, but why would he stop to see if he hit him in the head? Nobody blew a whistle.

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by gfcaps fan on Jan 19, 2011 3:44 PM EST up reply actions  

“Pads” do play a rather instrumental part of the rise of concussions. There’s very little in the way of defensive padding, and quite a bit in the way of padding meant to inflict injury or protect against injury when making a hit. Outside of helmets, hip pads, tailbone pads and lower leg padding everything you wear in hockey is meant to hit first, protect second.

It’s like boxing/MMA — reduce the padding, reduce the head injuries.

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by sydtron on Jan 19, 2011 4:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Disagree almost completely. I do think pads pay a role, and I’ve complained about the hard caps on shoulder and elbow pads before (although even those serve at least some defensive purpose). Where you lose me is with this line:

Outside of helmets, hip pads, tailbone pads and lower leg padding everything you wear in hockey is meant to hit first, protect second.

If you mean “the pads that allow you to hit without hurting yourself more are meant to hit” then I sort of see your point. But the reality is that with the pants, shin pads, elbow pads, and shoulder pads the primary function is protection. From pucks, falls, getting hit by someone else, the boards. Without those pads the game would literally have to be non contact. Whether those pads do more to facilitate hitting, or protect against hitting is probably debatable and maybe semantics. The bottom line is that if you like hockey to have hitting, you need those pads. Reducing them, with the exception of the hard caps, is really only going to result in more injuries. The MMA/Boxing analogy breaks down because there aren’t hard rubber pucks flying at you and you aren’t surrounded by a wall (the cage has more give than the boards, though I’m sure it doesn’t feel good).

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by Rob Parker on Jan 19, 2011 4:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Regarding pads, I disagree that their primary intent is offensive. As a secondary effect, they allow guys to hit harder, but the guys they’re hitting are also better padded, right?

Reducing the padding would just result in a lot more injuries, imo.

And regarding MMA, I also disagree that they have less head trauma – they just haven’t had a large number of fighters get to their 40’s (and older) where the effects of cumulative head trauma become more easily visible.

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by fat_daddyo on Jan 19, 2011 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

You don’t wear any padding on your chin, though.

by RCheli on Jan 19, 2011 4:20 PM EST up reply actions  

The padding doesn’t need to be reduced – that would lead to more injuries. It needs to be changed to a softer pad, which the NHL has been experimenting with. Using a pad with a gel-type layer instead of the hard cap currently used would do that.

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by timmyv38 on Jan 19, 2011 4:21 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s like boxing/MMA — reduce the padding, reduce the head injuries.

That’s akin to saying that if people stop wearing seatbelts, they’ll drive more defensively and there will be fewer accidents. The problem isn’t the equipment, it’s the players. They’re bigger, faster and stronger than they’ve ever been. Look at some of the classic games from the 70’s and 80’s and then compare it to any game being played today. The old guys looked like high schoolers compared to the average player today. I wasn’t very good at physics, but even I know that mass + speed still determines the force of impact.

by b.orr4 on Jan 19, 2011 5:30 PM EST up reply actions  

You what I love about you? You’ve been consistent in your argument that the Pens should have never let Crosby play against the Lightning. You are right.

You can’t have half of a concussion. Either Crosby had one from Steckel, in which case he shouldn’t have played, or he didn’t until Hedman hit him.

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by STLSpidey on Jan 19, 2011 5:06 PM EST up reply actions  

But Crosby might not have been honest with the training staff about symptoms and/or they could have come on later. It’s not always immediately apparent how bad it is.

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by Rob Parker on Jan 19, 2011 5:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly. I highly doubt that the Pens were irresponsible here.

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by Ninjak on Jan 19, 2011 5:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m not as willing as you guys are to let them off the hook.

But, if you all are correct, then the finger gets pointed at Crosby. He can blame Steckel and say he mistakenly played or he can blame Hedman.

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by STLSpidey on Jan 19, 2011 5:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t know who to blame. Someone is wrong. Either Sid wasn’t concussed by Steckel (doubtful), he wasn’t telling the staff the full extent of his symptoms (highly believable), or the training staff wasn’t showing the proper concern for his symptoms (highly unlikely). Without being there nobody can really say what happens. Logically, to me, it seems most likely that Crosby was just trying to suck it up and play through the pain. It’s what he’s been trained to do. When he realized that this was more serious he went to the staff and they sat him down. It sucks and hopefully it doesn’t turn into an Eric Lindros situation. Sid protects himself much better than Lindros did so I’m pretty confident that he can recover from this one and be fine, but you never know with this stuff.

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by Rob Parker on Jan 19, 2011 5:17 PM EST up reply actions  

You and I are in agreement. I do think he was concussed by Steckel. That is the most logical answer.

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by STLSpidey on Jan 19, 2011 5:22 PM EST up reply actions  

There may be nobody to blame. Sometimes concussion symptoms can take a few days after the hit to crop up.

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by Ninjak on Jan 19, 2011 5:23 PM EST up reply actions  

He did have 4 days before his next game. Seems a little odd that he wouldn’t have noticed anything in that time. He said he started to really feel it during that game but before the Hedman hit. Maybe that’s the absolute truth. We will never know.

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by Rob Parker on Jan 19, 2011 5:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Odd for sure. Probably a combination of the two… Very very slight initial symptoms that built over a few days, and worsened significantly after the TB game.

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by Ninjak on Jan 19, 2011 5:30 PM EST up reply actions  

No way the Pens would let him play a regular season game against a team like the Lightning if they thought he had anything resembling a concussion. He’s too valuable to the team to risk a season (or even career) ending head injury.

If Steckel was the original cause, Crosby playing again is all on Crosby.

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by SeattleCapsFan on Jan 19, 2011 6:36 PM EST up reply actions  

aw, thanks. I’m sure some are sick of my little one woman “WTF were they thinking letting him play?!” posts. But I don’t feel like that aspect of this whole drama has gotten nearly enough attention.

I also keep thinking back to how completely unconcerned everyone acted immediately after that hit and as Crosby skated towards the bench. Just unbelievable, although I think it probably has to do with Crosby’s reputation (apparently even on his own team!) of being a whiner, a diver, and a drama queen.

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by RedBirdie on Jan 19, 2011 5:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I believe the training staff did what they were supposed to and made sure he passed whatever tests they administer. And I think Sid believed he could play through it (or even wasn’t feeling the symptoms after the WC). What I question is this: why, having seen the glassy look on Sid’s face or hearing him describe the hit or even just seeing where Stecks hit him, why was he not kept out at least one game for precautionary reasons? It’s one out of 82, hardly something that would impact a team’s position, and it’s potentially incredibly impactful to the player’s long term health.

I just don’t get why teams and athletes – in every sport – are so willing to make important decisions based on instant results and don’t wait to make sure everything is fine. The fact is that we just don’t know enough about head injuries other than they’re unpredictable. Symptoms can pop up way after the fact, and to not take that extra bit of care with something so potentially dangerous as a concussion…it just boggles the mind.

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by Becca H on Jan 19, 2011 5:31 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s not realistic. Green has gotten plastered plenty, sometimes to the head, and we never take him out for precautionary reasons. We barely sit him enough when he’s hurt.

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Laichitor: "He has AIDS?"

by Rob Parker on Jan 19, 2011 5:35 PM EST up reply actions  

There’s getting hit in the head, and then there’s getting hit in the head so you look like Crosby did after the hit. I haven’t seen Green look like that before.

I mean, I’m not a doctor but I’ve seen that glassy-eyed, not-quite-focused look on someone’s face after a hit before and it’s generally followed a few days later by an announcement of “[Player X] out indefinitely with a concussion.” Didn’t he look completely out of it? Was it just me?

…and don’t get me started on not sitting Green when he’s hurt. That applies to a few of our players and it drives me nuts.

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by Becca H on Jan 19, 2011 5:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m with you, Becca, on that one. I can rattle off several names who that applies to, namely several of our offensive players who have been playing through stuff for over a month and are downright ineffective as a result.

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by CapsFan75 on Jan 19, 2011 6:09 PM EST up reply actions  

It isn’t just you. Crosby looked completely dazed during the 2nd intermission interview.

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by oldemystix on Jan 19, 2011 6:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Dubinsky out 4 weeks with a stress fracture in his left leg (whoooooo, we’re injury buddies!) I suppose that means there’s little chance of him coming to DC now.

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by RedBirdie on Jan 19, 2011 5:04 PM EST reply actions  

There was always little chance of that happening. Why do you think this changes it?

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by Rob Parker on Jan 19, 2011 5:05 PM EST up reply actions  

a pipe dream to get a decent 2C. Now I can’t see GMGM offering much for damaged goods, so Slather will hold on to him. Not that it was likely, anyways.

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by RedBirdie on Jan 19, 2011 5:18 PM EST up reply actions  

So you were talking deadline. I got ya. I thought you meant in the off-season. He’ll be healed by then and nobody will let that scare him off. Slats might try lowball him in the off-season, though. Of course, Slats is going to lowball him regardless. Our best hope for either of those guys is that they get pissed off with Slats’ negotiations. He goes hard after his RFAs.

Drunk Guy: "Alex Ovechkin is playing more like Magic Johnson than Michael Jordan this year."
Laichitor: "He has AIDS?"

by Rob Parker on Jan 19, 2011 5:21 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah, sorry. It’s January, I’ve got a bad case of trade deadline tunnel vision.

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by RedBirdie on Jan 19, 2011 5:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Another run up to Christmas!

Drunk Guy: "Alex Ovechkin is playing more like Magic Johnson than Michael Jordan this year."
Laichitor: "He has AIDS?"

by Rob Parker on Jan 19, 2011 5:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Forget the trade deadline, that means he won’t be here on Monday to play the Caps (not that I want him injured).

by b.orr4 on Jan 19, 2011 5:34 PM EST up reply actions  

So much for the expected fight.

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by CapsFan75 on Jan 19, 2011 6:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Dubinsky sat out a good chunk of training camp last year because Slats was playing him hardball. Of course, he’s arbitration-eligible this year (I think?) so if he wants to stay with the Rangers, he can just take them to arbitration.

by Wheeler on Jan 19, 2011 6:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Unless GMGM wanted to offer our own damaged goods in return.

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by CapsFan75 on Jan 19, 2011 6:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Dubinsky, Callahan, Staal, and Lundqvist are the Rangers’ core, nobody will be getting them.

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by Chris Burton on Jan 19, 2011 5:07 PM EST up reply actions  

On the other hand, might a team want to acquire Gaborik?

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by CapsFan75 on Jan 19, 2011 6:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I could see PHX picking him up

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by kingzman264 on Jan 19, 2011 6:18 PM EST up reply actions  

True, as they are generally offensively challenged. The only problem is …. they generally don’t like to spend money. But as a rental for this year’s playoff drive …. a possibility.

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by CapsFan75 on Jan 19, 2011 6:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Indeed. I just see them as a team that’s looking for offense and they’ve got defensive prospects stockpiled right now. Gaborik could hold them over until Turris becomes their savior.

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by kingzman264 on Jan 19, 2011 6:21 PM EST up reply actions  

That kind of injury screams either poor technique or fragility.

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by Ninjak on Jan 19, 2011 5:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Could be due to compensating for another injury, but I guess that would fall under poor technique.

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by Doncosmic on Jan 19, 2011 5:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Poor technique in what sense? His skating? I don’t know much about stress fractures but it seems more like an unfortunate freak thing. If poor skating technique was the cause of his stress fracture then wouldn’t there be stress fractures all over the youth/amateur leagues?

Drunk Guy: "Alex Ovechkin is playing more like Magic Johnson than Michael Jordan this year."
Laichitor: "He has AIDS?"

by Rob Parker on Jan 19, 2011 5:19 PM EST up reply actions  

you’re right, generally if it’s a poor technique thing (which is how I ended up with the majority of my stress fractures as a teen) it would have been an on-going, chronic issue. I don’t believe that’s the case with Dubinsky. He may have another, probably nagging, injury which is causing him to use some poor technique (or overcompensate) in the present, which could also be the root of the fracture. If that’s so, 4 weeks off will address both problems and it’s likely it never occurs again.

Or, he could have an unexplained weakening off the bone in that spot; occurs more often than people might think. Time off usually will fix that.

Sometimes, a previous injury, like getting hit hard or banging the bone against something can cause a slight injury than can snowball into a stress fracture, particularly if it’s a weight-bearing bone like the shin.

And sometimes it really just is a strange, freak thing. Chris Clark’s forearm stress fracture springs to mind. That was a weird one.

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by RedBirdie on Jan 19, 2011 5:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Thats what I was getting at, a famous example is that Tiger Woods had a stress fracture in his leg because he played golf without an ACL for a year and the because he was compensating for that injury it caused extra stress on his leg bones.

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by Doncosmic on Jan 19, 2011 5:33 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah, just trying to cover all the bases for F&B. I had forgotten about Tiger’s fracture; I still can’t believe he played for a year with no ACL. I assume we wasn’t wearing a brace or anything? He’s probably lucky he didn’t wreck the entire joint.

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by RedBirdie on Jan 19, 2011 5:42 PM EST up reply actions  

They don’t skate at NHL speed and force in the lower leagues, but I hear you. Probably just fragility. I’ve dealt with repetitive stress injuries before(not really the same thing, but similar), and it sucks, because other people can do the same thing over and over without ill effect… But not me.

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by Ninjak on Jan 19, 2011 5:27 PM EST up reply actions  

probably an underlying structural problem. My shins were because I had such tremendously bad technique, but my feet, to this day, are prone to stress fractures because, as one doctor so helpfully put it, they are “structural deficient.” Tendinitis works in very similar ways.

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by RedBirdie on Jan 19, 2011 5:31 PM EST up reply actions  

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