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Starting to think Baxter could use a brief tour of nacho country to focus him up.

He looked like absolute doodoo in a lot of ways last night. Not sure what’s up with that guy. But the Caps are now scoring in spite of him, and for a team as thin at C as the Caps, that’s a painful blow.

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by fat_daddyo on Jan 12, 2011 6:31 AM EST reply actions  

On the plus side, the other two on the top line seem to be getting back in sync. Last two games they’ve made - and finished – some nice passes to each other.

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by bagace on Jan 12, 2011 7:03 AM EST up reply actions  

The Captain and his running mate both need a night in the press box, I think.

by DrinkingPartner on Jan 12, 2011 9:02 AM EST up reply actions  

I say they swap the entire caps roster with the bears one night

by Brainumbc on Jan 12, 2011 9:09 AM EST up reply actions  

I thought Ovie looked pretty good last night, and created several opportunities for Knuble.

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by Doncosmic on Jan 12, 2011 12:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I just want him to have a chance to heal.

by DrinkingPartner on Jan 12, 2011 12:16 PM EST up reply actions  

What is it with him and Backis whiffing on so many shots?? After playing this game for 20+ years, they suddenly don’t know where the puck is??

by katzistan on Jan 12, 2011 1:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Money in his pocket?

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by Ninjak on Jan 12, 2011 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Noticed quite a few of those on both sides last night. Bad ice in FL. :)

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by RandomID on Jan 12, 2011 1:16 PM EST up reply actions  

MoJo was easily the best center for the Caps last night.

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by D'ohboy on Jan 12, 2011 10:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Which is one of the biggest critiques you can make about the team. It looked like he was playing a lot with Wilsie and Chimera, but maybe I just kept noticing after partial line changes. Not exactly a murder’s row on that line.

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by Rob Parker on Jan 12, 2011 10:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Without looking up the TOI, I agree with you, I think his regular line was with the guys you mention.

They were double shifting AO, Baxter and Laich, I think, so the lines got a little cocked up.

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by fat_daddyo on Jan 12, 2011 10:48 AM EST up reply actions  

It started out Laich-Johansson-Willsie on one line and Chimera-Perreault-Fehr on the other, but in the third BB sat MattyP and Willsie, so the remaining wingers got switched about.

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by bagace on Jan 12, 2011 11:03 AM EST up reply actions  

So does Matty P. being sat for the third start the real drumbeat for a trade for a 2C now and MP being sent back down? I don’t know how a player can be a contender for a 2C slot, but not have the confidence from the coach to play in close games.

I thought at the beginning of the season that MoJo might eventually fill 2C before the playoffs, or possibly MP, but what I think no one anticipated was the varying struggles of our top 4 guys for so long and deep. If they all were playing more or less as they did last year, then I would give MoJo or maybe even MP a shot still, but time’s-a-tickin’ and we can’t afford a 2C who sits.

by Seminrocks on Jan 12, 2011 11:23 AM EST up reply actions  

The drumbeat for a 2C trade started when Fedorov left. Perreault was never going to be the solution at 2C this season.

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by Ninjak on Jan 12, 2011 11:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Well, sure, but I mean in terms of deciding MP isn’t going to do it for us in the play-offs and looking for a veteran with a good record.

by Seminrocks on Jan 12, 2011 1:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I think MP’s a placeholder. It doesn’t seem like anyone in the organization really thinks he’s the 2C solution this year. I just don’t think there’s a trade that makes sense now. By the deadline they’ll do something, but right now the only option I see is Arnott, and he’s not that appealing. If they have to settle for him at the deadline, so be it. But for now I think they are comfortable letting MP gain experience, knowing full well that he’s not the solution and that as soon as they find a suitable alternative he will go back down.

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by Rob Parker on Jan 12, 2011 11:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Maybe I am deluding myself, but I am keeping the hope that the Sens are going to have a firesale and we can get Peter Regin.

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by Rather Bengt on Jan 12, 2011 11:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Spezza ftw.

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by D'ohboy on Jan 12, 2011 11:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Definitely Spezza. We don’t need yet another unproven C!

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by Rob Parker on Jan 12, 2011 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Regin is a guy they’ll build around. Even if they have a fire sale I don’t see them moving him.

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by Rob Parker on Jan 12, 2011 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

LeBrun and Burnside discuss the Ottawa situation in an ESPN blog this morning: http://espn.go.com/blog/nhl/post/_/id/3499/daily-debate-something-has-to-give-in-ottawa

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by Rather Bengt on Jan 12, 2011 11:57 AM EST up reply actions  

I think the Sens’ fall is a cautionary tale about how quickly the window can close on a Cup contender. It seems like a million years ago when Ottawa was battling Anaheim in the 2007 Cup finals. Remember how good that Sens team was, rolling through the Eastern Conference?

Please god don’t be us. Hey… at least we never rolled through the Eastern Conference… right?

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by Rob Parker on Jan 12, 2011 12:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah that’s a disconcerting comparison every time it’s brought up. BUT…disagree about Ottawa’s window closing quickly. They were contenders for roughly a decade.

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by Kolzilla on Jan 12, 2011 12:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah – their problem was that they failed to advance when their stars were younger. 2007 was actually as the window was closing.

Still, we could look back at 2008, 2009, 2010…

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by D'ohboy on Jan 12, 2011 12:11 PM EST up reply actions  

The secret is to keep adding new young stars…

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by Gould Old Days on Jan 12, 2011 12:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Hossa, Chara, Spezza, Fisher, Vermette, Kelly, Heatley, Volchenkov, Regin, Karlsson, Michalek, Cheechoo, Foligno.

It’s not as though the Sens didn’t have a great deal of young players or turnover from their emergence in 1999 through their collapse in 2009. Some of the more recent “stars” have underwhelmed, but it’s becoming clear that the sun has set on “Alfie’s Sens.”

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by D'ohboy on Jan 12, 2011 12:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, they lost a lot of those guys, some for nothing (or basically nothing). The guys that are actually good are either from the pre-Cup times or named Peter Regin. Since the lockout, they haven’t really brought anyone in that is too exciting.

Karlsson and Regin would be it, they are just too few and far between.

C’mon, maaaaaaaaaan. Did you really put Cheechoo on that list? I could almost live with Michalek, but Cheechoo?

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by Rob Parker on Jan 12, 2011 12:52 PM EST up reply actions  

And as of now, we have no real idea how Kuznetsov or Galiev or anyone else is going to turn out, either. Cheechoo at least had a few excellent NHL seasons.

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by D'ohboy on Jan 12, 2011 1:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Really, he had one excellent season and one good season. He was washed up by the time OTT got him and everyone knew it. I’d cut you slack if they got him one or two years after his Richard, but they didn’t. He was toast.

We have no real idea of how good Kuz or Galiev is going to be, but I am highly confident that Kuz will play in the NHL. Even if he’s Alexei Kovalev Version 3.0 I can live with that. It’s better than what OTT is adding, and a hell of a lot better than Cheechoo.

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by Rob Parker on Jan 12, 2011 1:21 PM EST up reply actions  

He’s an AHL All-Star!

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by EmilyB on Jan 12, 2011 1:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Were I a GM, I don’t think I could say “I drafted a guy named Jonathan Cheechoo from Moose Factory, Ontario” with a straight face.

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by SmallZ827 on Jan 12, 2011 5:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Gotta scroll down, FYI.

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by D'ohboy on Jan 12, 2011 12:41 PM EST up reply actions  

And here’s their draft history.

Can’t imagine Caps fans would be too happy with GMGM if he had a record like that. What the hell happened to all their 2010 picks?

I didn’t realize Regin was a 2004 pick.

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by Rob Parker on Jan 12, 2011 12:58 PM EST up reply actions  

That ’01 draft was a beauty, though.

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by Scott in Shaw on Jan 12, 2011 1:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Seriously, I was about to say so myself.

by DrinkingPartner on Jan 12, 2011 1:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Sure was. Too bad they lost most of it, and overpaid what they kept.

It sorta goes to show that you can never stop drafting well. As soon as you stop bringing in fresh talent, you start the decline. For the most part they’ve even been using their first round picks. They just haven’t gotten much out of them as of now.

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by Rob Parker on Jan 12, 2011 1:18 PM EST up reply actions  

True, they just choked away the beginning of their window with disappointing playoff performances in the early rounds every year. Glad that’s not us.

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by Rob Parker on Jan 12, 2011 12:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Well this year’s first round exit won’t be disappointing cause they’ll be a #5 seed going in. So that’s good.

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by Kolzilla on Jan 12, 2011 12:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I’ll still be disappointed. It won’t be as bad as a Presidents’ Trophy collapse though.

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by Rob Parker on Jan 12, 2011 12:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Thank goodness…

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by Ninjak on Jan 12, 2011 12:06 PM EST up reply actions  

If the Kings keep sliding, I could see us trading for Handzus. But that’s a) a big if, and b) not a whole lot better.

by Wheeler on Jan 12, 2011 12:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Handzus really isn’t a #2C.

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by D'ohboy on Jan 12, 2011 12:11 PM EST up reply actions  

It actually is a whole lot better, but maybe not good enough. I think Handzus is a great 3C. I’m just not sure he’s good enough of a 2C for us. Not unless Semin gets his November game back on.

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by Rob Parker on Jan 12, 2011 12:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I’d love Stoll.

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by Rob Parker on Jan 12, 2011 12:15 PM EST up reply actions  

If we’re angling after players who are UFA next year, I have a list:

Umberger, R.J. " F CLB 28 $3,750,000 2012 (UFA)
Stoll, Jarret " F LAK 28 $3,600,000 2012 (UFA)
Hecht, Jochen " F BUF 33 $3,525,000 2012 (UFA)

Frankly, I’d be OK with any of those. I’d be more OK with Stoll and Umberger than Hecht, but Jochen Hecht’s a pretty capable two-way player in his own right.

by Wheeler on Jan 12, 2011 12:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I pretty much agree with you, I just don’t see Umberger or Stoll moving. Both those teams are fighting for the playoffs and LAK could actually make some noise.

Hecht doesn’t move me, but he’s an upgrade on what we have so if that’s your standard…

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by Rob Parker on Jan 12, 2011 12:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I wouldn’t so much say that Columbus is in a fight for the playoffs as Howson’s in a fight for his job. They’re six points out of a playoff spot, and there’s a crowded field of teams that are clearly better than them.

That being said, I’m not sure Scott Howson can afford to trade away pieces at the deadline because he’ll get fired if they don’t make the playoffs.

by Wheeler on Jan 12, 2011 12:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Umberger’s an Ohio State guy and the fans love him. I think he’s pretty much untouchable. Vermette would be nice but that’s a lot of time left on that contract.

by Reckless on Jan 12, 2011 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t know if that really matters. How connected are they really to OSU hockey? And if you need a rebuild, holding on to a guy isn’t going to help. No chance Umberger is more of a fan favorite than Bondra.

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by Rob Parker on Jan 12, 2011 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Well there isn’t much in Columbus that isn’t related to OSU, and EVERYONE in that area is an OSU fan. So if you are a hockey fan in Columbus, you are an OSU hockey fan.

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by Doncosmic on Jan 12, 2011 1:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought that was all OSU football. I wasn’t aware that their hockey team had much of a following.

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by Rob Parker on Jan 12, 2011 1:24 PM EST up reply actions  

imo, they don’t. There’s a handful of die-hard puckheads in Columbus, and that’s it. The couple times I went to games there, it was maybe half full; however, the opponents I saw were Harvard and Lake Superior State.

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by RedBirdie on Jan 12, 2011 1:40 PM EST up reply actions  

They don’t but there aren’t a ton of Blue Jackets fans either. Plus, alot of people in Columbus would root for anyone who went to OSU, regardless of whether they actually follow OSU hockey.

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by Doncosmic on Jan 12, 2011 1:42 PM EST up reply actions  

but my point is people aren’t going to OSU hockey and following OSU hockey just because it’s OSU hockey. They go “oh, hockey,” and then go back to counting down the days until football starts again.

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by RedBirdie on Jan 12, 2011 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s how I thought it was. Did anyone in the Columbus area really realize that Umberger was an OSU guy before he went there? Do they track former OSU hockey players like they do their football players?

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by Rob Parker on Jan 12, 2011 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

No not at all, but once he was there, being an OSU guy made him a fan favorite, and Columbus needs that.

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by Doncosmic on Jan 12, 2011 1:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Columbus has Rick Nash. There will always be fan favorites. I just can’t imagine that Umberger is make or break in any sense. If they aren’t in playoff position, they need assets much more than they need an OSU guy.

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by Rob Parker on Jan 12, 2011 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I am all for a Rick Nash for David Steckel trade, FO % be damned.

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by Rather Bengt on Jan 12, 2011 2:20 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Way to take a stand, RB.

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by EmilyB on Jan 12, 2011 2:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Grazie.

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by Rather Bengt on Jan 12, 2011 2:25 PM EST up reply actions  

The West is so tight that they are still at least in contention. Do I think they are good? No. Do I think they will make the playoffs? No. Do I think they’ll win more than 1 game if they make the playoffs? No. But they aren’t going to shoot themselves in the foot either. Unless they collapse over the next 5 weeks I doubt they sell off Umberger.

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by Rob Parker on Jan 12, 2011 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

They’re in the middle of a pretty significant collapse (which I predicted, woo?) – that early season form was a mirage. The Blue Jackets are terrible, again. Lost 5 in a row and 7 of 10.

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by Chris Burton on Jan 12, 2011 3:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah I didn’t realize they were dropping so fast, but I’m not surprised either. Ever since they waived Kyle Wilson the brains on that team have gone to shit.

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by Rob Parker on Jan 12, 2011 3:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I feel bad for their fans (not really), but the brass up there is a disaster. They’ve basically just become a doormat for Detroit, Chicago, Nashville, and St. Louis. To illustrate, the Preds are 42-13-1 against them since the CBJ/MIN expansion. That’s ridiculous.

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by Chris Burton on Jan 12, 2011 3:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Nah, CBJ is really an example of a successful franchise that just gets stuck in a tough division so they get boned by the schedulers.

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by Rob Parker on Jan 12, 2011 3:31 PM EST up reply actions  

/hawerchuk’d

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by Chris Burton on Jan 12, 2011 3:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Umberger’s a pretty crucial piece there, and wears a letter (I know, I know). I don’t think he’s high on the list of guys Howson will move.

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by Chris Burton on Jan 12, 2011 3:22 PM EST up reply actions  

On team of under-achievers, why get rid of one of the few guys who seemingly brings effort every night and at least has some experience playing for a winning franchise?

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by D'ohboy on Jan 12, 2011 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Because he’s not signed next year and he is one of the few guys that is going to bring back assets.

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by Rob Parker on Jan 12, 2011 3:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Because he’s not signed next year

Since when?

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by D'ohboy on Jan 12, 2011 3:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Since I assumed it.

I guess I’d live with that cap hit if we picked him up, but I don’t really love it.

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by Rob Parker on Jan 12, 2011 3:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I really don’t see there being any viable 2C candidates available on the trade market for the Caps this year. The only guys who I see as being viable and available are UFA next year (e.g. Umberger, Stoll, Hecht).

There are some decent 3Cs who are UFA at the end of this year and potentially available (John Madden, Michal Handzus, Eric Belanger, Brendan Morrison) and some guys who would be as big of a question-mark in the 2C slot as the guys we currently have (Mike Santorelli, Rich Peverley (should Atlanta bomb in the second half)) but there isn’t really a solution to that spot who is a pending UFA.

by Wheeler on Jan 12, 2011 3:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, it’s definitely a weak crop. I’d count out Belanger and BMo under the “been there, done that” theory. I also don’t even think Madden is much of a 3C anymore. More like a 4C.

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Laichitor: "He has AIDS?"

by Rob Parker on Jan 12, 2011 3:57 PM EST up reply actions  

And what does Arnott have to do to get a mention?

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by Rob Parker on Jan 12, 2011 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I figured we’d already discussed him, so I didn’t mention him.

by Wheeler on Jan 12, 2011 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Umberger is a quasi-center though. He’s a better W than a C from my recollection, and we’ve already had enough of those.

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by D'ohboy on Jan 12, 2011 4:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I mostly agree, but I think he’s a better C than the guys we’ve tried.

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by Rob Parker on Jan 12, 2011 4:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Honestly I’m not sure he’s a huge upgrade over Laich at this point. Here are his career stats for comparison.

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by D'ohboy on Jan 12, 2011 4:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Career stats aren’t really going to tell the story unless they are split by C/W. Laich has put most of his numbers up from the wing, so you can’t really extrapolate that to C. I’d probably have to watch Umberger more to really get a good grip on it, and I very easily could be giving him too much credit for that money playoffs.

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Laichitor: "He has AIDS?"

by Rob Parker on Jan 12, 2011 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

He did, however, have one money playoffs.

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by D'ohboy on Jan 12, 2011 4:05 PM EST up reply actions  

He also talked some serious smack about the Caps and the playoffs.

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by Ninjak on Jan 12, 2011 4:12 PM EST up reply actions  

And got the last laugh.

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by Rob Parker on Jan 12, 2011 4:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Pfffft. Small consolation for a player who was in zero playoff games last Spring.

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by Ninjak on Jan 12, 2011 4:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Because he’s not signed next year and he is one of the few guys that is going to bring back assets.

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by Chris Burton on Jan 12, 2011 3:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey CB, since you’re here I meant to ask you —how’s Stavos looking since you picked him up?

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by Rather Bengt on Jan 12, 2011 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Better than I expected. He’s very shifty and talented and is quick on the trigger, which is something the Preds have lacked.

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by Chris Burton on Jan 12, 2011 3:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Talking about players on the Preds who are doing better than I expected, Sergei K’s been scoring well of late.

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by Rather Bengt on Jan 12, 2011 3:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah I would say he’s been the Preds’ best forward this year (isn’t saying much, but still). He’s getting time in all situations and has 21 points in 17 games now.

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by Chris Burton on Jan 12, 2011 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Because he’s not signed next year

Since when?

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by D'ohboy on Jan 12, 2011 3:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I figured everyone we were talking about was a pending UFA.

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by Rob Parker on Jan 12, 2011 3:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Someone said it above and then it got repeated, but he’s not.

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by D'ohboy on Jan 12, 2011 4:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed, though a couple of things make me there’s at least an outside shot to get Stoll. (1) Terry Murray’s been on him about his production, and his production hasn’t been good; and (2) they seem obsessed with finding a scoring winger to play with Kopitar (Sturm is not the answer). Would be nice if Fehr plus another asset would work but at this point, I’d probably say give Semin if necessary.

by Reckless on Jan 12, 2011 12:26 PM EST up reply actions  

At least Umberger would be able to teach the rest of the team the right way to play hockey.

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by snakegriffin on Jan 12, 2011 12:20 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

If we end up trading for a 2C of this caliber(unspectacular), we had better also get an upgrade on D, like a Kaberle or some such.

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by Ninjak on Jan 12, 2011 12:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Did you just put “Kaberle” in the same sentence as “upgrade on D.” He’s not good in his own zone. He’s a downgrade on D. He’s a good offensive D, but with Carlson and Green is that where we are really hurting? Kaberle does most of his damage on the PP, and he won’t get that ice with Green on the team. Even if they go to two real PP units, he’ll get much less PPTOI than he’s used to and it will be a waste of the assets we give up to get him and the cap space that could be used to get someone else. If we are looking at getting another D, I’ll take Phillips over Kaberle.

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by Rob Parker on Jan 12, 2011 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Sorry, I meant upgrade on D rather than upgrade in the defensive zone. And I would think that some help on the power play would be welcomed right now, even if it means going Erskine-less. Is Kaberle better or worse in his own zone than Erskine? You’re usually going to have an injury or two on defense.

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by Ninjak on Jan 12, 2011 1:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t think Kaberle is the panacea for the PP.

by DrinkingPartner on Jan 12, 2011 1:06 PM EST up reply actions  

No, especially when he’s not going to see the ice. Regardless of what we think he might be able to do for our PP, he’s just not going to supplant Green and I see no indication that BB has any interest in taking AO off the point permanently.

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by Rob Parker on Jan 12, 2011 1:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I wish there were a panacea for the PP.

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by Ninjak on Jan 12, 2011 1:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Kaberle isn’t much better than Erskine in the D zone, if at all, and he’s three times as expensive. I’d rather put that money toward finding a 2C than having a 4.5 million dollar third pair guy. And if he’s replacing Erskine, he’s actually a 4.5 mill. 7D. When all are healthy, Erskine is in the press box. So now it’s “is Kaberle better than Poti and/or Schultz?” He’s not better than Schultz, and I don’t think he’s as good defensively as Poti. (Take notes Becca, Poti is better than a Leafs defender.)

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by Rob Parker on Jan 12, 2011 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Just spitballing here. The Caps have been pretty solid defensively, they could use some help on offense. Obviously, I’d much rather see GMGM use all his ammo on a big name center than a mediocre center and a mediocre defenseman.

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by Ninjak on Jan 12, 2011 1:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with you. I’m just shooting down any suggestion that Kaberle is right for this team. If we want to talk D depth, we can talk D depth. I’d just go in a different direction with it than Kaberle.

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by Rob Parker on Jan 12, 2011 1:19 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s what I was wondering. I’m not well versed on who our options might be.

by Seminrocks on Jan 12, 2011 1:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed, so that leaves us with a stand in option for 1C that have the same amount of points on the season as John Erskine, that is something.

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by Malin A on Jan 12, 2011 11:23 AM EST up reply actions  

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On the PP:

We lost the game on the PP. We can’t continue looking so lethargic. I keep putting the same guys out there, thinking it’s going to turn around, and it doesn’t…I have to shake it up.

On the general effort level:

The kids and the grinders worked hard.

Some pretty pointed shots, there. I’d love for him to sit AO, Green and Backstrom for a PP or two. We’ll see if he follows through.

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by fat_daddyo on Jan 12, 2011 6:46 AM EST reply actions  

Sitting Ovi & Nick for a PP sounds like something that should be done, frankly. I’d leave Green there since we need at least one defenseman per unit and possibly two.

My feeling: the PP is badly broken. I’d say, use the grinders and the kids there, instead. Or even set the PP units based on which players are working the hardest and/or getting the best results. No one (at least among the forwards) gets an automatic berth any more regardless of name or salary.

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by CapsFan75 on Jan 12, 2011 7:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Since you can’t sit AO or Backstrom for a whole game, you really have to sit them on the PP to send any kind of message.

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by Ninjak on Jan 12, 2011 11:01 AM EST up reply actions  

What kind of message do you think they need? Do you feel the effort is not there? Certainly the expected results have not been.

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by RandomID on Jan 12, 2011 11:43 AM EST up reply actions  

The effort is definitely not there, because we know what they are capable of, and this ain’t it. Whether they need to play harder or smarter, they are not doing everything they can to improve the on-ice results.

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by Ninjak on Jan 12, 2011 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

I tend to agree but have seen a lot less coasting around the blue line from AO this year. Maybe just having to think about being more defensively responsible (and being deeper in the zone) is making it harder to play his offensive game. I’m not making excuses for him – he’s an elite player and is expected to adjust. I just don’t ever see him excelling at winning puck battles along the boards or playing great defense. And I’ll admit to holding my breath when he slid to block a shot last night, and thinking “please don’t hit his wrist”. As you point out, maybe he could be really good at all these things if he was trying harder. And maybe sitting him would help.

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by RandomID on Jan 12, 2011 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

He’s just as bad as he ever was in the defensive zone, and Backstrom hasn’t been cleaning up messes there this season.

AO seems to be allergic to the goal line. If he’d consider carrying the puck in deep along the boards and behind the net, he might find things opening up for his teammates. Instead, he attacks the net every single time, despite the teeth of the defense setting up for exact such a move.

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by Ninjak on Jan 12, 2011 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

He’s just as bad as he ever was in the defensive zone

Observationally, I actually think this is the one area that he’s significantly better.

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by D'ohboy on Jan 12, 2011 12:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I dunno, maybe I’ve missed it. I just rarely see him make a play against an opposing player that gets the puck out. Sometimes the puck bounces to him randomly, and he’s almost always able to carry or pass it out of the zone. But as far as applying pressure at the points, challenging guys who have the puck… I just haven’t seen it.

And I’m always embarrassed for him when the other team carries the puck through the neutral zone, he tries to line up the puck carrier for a hit, he whiffs, and he finds himself on the wrong side of the red line while the puck enters the zone.

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by Ninjak on Jan 12, 2011 12:33 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s how I have seen it also. He definitely is in the defensive zone more often, but he never seems to actually get the puck or break up an offensive play.

by MikeBrady on Jan 12, 2011 12:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, that’s what I meant about him actually being deeper in the zone but not necessarily effective on defense. That said, having to actually skate back hard on defense is going to wear anyone out more than cruising by the blue line. Maybe that’s also contributing to the lack of offensive explosiveness others have commented on? Not so much a matter of TOI as what he’s doing with that time. Just a thought.

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by RandomID on Jan 12, 2011 1:10 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s been my observation too.

by wickedwitch on Jan 12, 2011 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed, from my point of view anyway. There are times where Ovi seems less engaged than others, but he’s been more consistently engaged in the Defensive zone, and has been deeper, more towards the face off circles and less out at the blue line waiting for an outlet pass.

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by Sombrero Guy on Jan 12, 2011 1:11 PM EST up reply actions  

That, or possibly (and I know this is a radical idea!) move Ovi off the point and don’t let him stay out there the entire 2 minutes, especially when his line was out there when the penalty was taken.

I agree though — for all the line shuffling BB does, it seems strange to me that he’s been hesitant to mess with the PP personnel, given just how ineffective it seems to be at the moment. Granted, the guys he has out there regularly should be able to convert, but for whatever reason it just isn’t happening.

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by PaintDrinkingPete on Jan 12, 2011 8:59 AM EST up reply actions  

….and don’t let him stay out there the entire 2 minutes

Another bullet point BB brought up in his postgame presser.

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by bagace on Jan 12, 2011 9:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Time for some of the Shitbums to get some PP time…

In all seriousness, I see a few problems with the PP. The first is the inability to win pucks along the boards. This will lead to puck control, which is something the Caps couldn’t do last night or haven’t been able to do for the past month or so. Taking 8 & 19 off the PP doesn’t help this issue and neither does putting a unit out there of 25-26-16. 8 needs to embrace playing up front on the PP and going into the dirty areas for pucks.

Second, in regards to puck control, the Caps aren’t generating enough shots to have offensive zone faceoffs. I didn’t count last night, but it seems that Vokoun rarely froze the puck when on the PK. By doing so, FLA was able to keep the clock moving, and never allowed the Caps a chance to set up. It seems to me that going to the net or maybe just dumping the puck in on goal then rushing to the front will allow the Caps an opportunity to get more offensive zone faceoffs on the PP. This can serve as an alternative if the players aren’t winning pucks along the boards. The success of this strategy also depends on the abilities of the centers to win these faceoffs.

Lastly, the lack of a “finisher” is killing the Caps right now. Personally, I think this role needs to be filled by Backstrom. He is the 2nd best forward on this team, but he needs to develop more of a scoring touch to open up chances for Ovechkin. Teams seem to give him a ton of space, practically baiting him to shoot because they know that he is a pass-first, shoot-second player.

by JimCareyFanClub on Jan 12, 2011 9:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Florida had three goals on 10 power play shots, the Caps 0-for-9.

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by ThePeerless on Jan 12, 2011 10:03 AM EST up reply actions  

move Ovi off the point

He was playing the half wall at some point last night with Green and Carlson at the points. Didn’t help.

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by Scott in Shaw on Jan 12, 2011 1:20 PM EST up reply actions  

It might’ve if anyone on the ice at the time could maintain possession.

by DrinkingPartner on Jan 12, 2011 1:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Which won’t happen without winning puck battles.

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by Rob Parker on Jan 12, 2011 1:45 PM EST up reply actions  

that was ridiculous. never have I seen the Caps turn the puck over so easily so many times so Florida could clear it without any effort.

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by RedBirdie on Jan 12, 2011 1:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Honestly, I don’t see Green as part of the problem.

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by D'ohboy on Jan 12, 2011 10:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Lately he’s been much better. I don’t know if the shoulder thing was hindering him more than anyone let on earlier in the year, but he’s been more dynamic on the PP lately. It seems like he’s been moving around the zone quite a bit more, but my eyes have a diabolical plan to deceive me, so I have no idea what I’m seeing, really.

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by Rob Parker on Jan 12, 2011 10:43 AM EST up reply actions  

I haven’t seen him favoring his knee at all, either. That would definitely help with his zone mobility.

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by RandomID on Jan 12, 2011 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

I see the problem as mainly being a few European forwards.

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by timmyv38 on Jan 12, 2011 10:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Unfortunately, that’s like all of our PP.

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by Rob Parker on Jan 12, 2011 10:45 AM EST up reply actions  

The key ones at least. The PP seems to be doing better when it’s the PP2, with players like Fehr, MP, and the grinders.

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by timmyv38 on Jan 12, 2011 10:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Which really speaks to BB’s concerns about the work ethic on the PP. When the grinders get out there they do much better at winning those puck battles, unfortunately they could use another skill guy to help move the puck around and break down the PK.

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by Rob Parker on Jan 12, 2011 10:51 AM EST up reply actions  

I figure it’s time to have the PP be mostly grinders at this point since the current crew is not doing the job. Our “skilled” guys can be rotated in and out as needed but center it on the grinders these days.

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by CapsFan75 on Jan 12, 2011 7:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I"d add Laich in that group. Not much help breaking up the D box or getting in front of the net (ie, what I assume he’s suppose to be doing).

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by bagace on Jan 12, 2011 10:49 AM EST up reply actions  

True. I’d rather see Fehr or Knuble there.

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by timmyv38 on Jan 12, 2011 10:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Burnside’s piece was obviously written before last night’s game (or even Monday’s). I’d say the Bruins are trending up — they look wonderful as of late. Are the Caps trending up as PB says? They’re doing well despite nearly everything going wrong, except the PK on most nights and goal tending.

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by CapsFan75 on Jan 12, 2011 7:31 AM EST reply actions  

Pierre Burnside?

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by Ninjak on Jan 12, 2011 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Someone posted in the recap that the best part of the game was being able to wear shorts and sandals…for me the best part was paying $13 for lower bowl tickets on stubhub, versus the $125 for the game vs Montreal over Christmas break.
Nice arena, free parking, crappy start to the game.

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by Upstate NY on Jan 12, 2011 7:34 AM EST reply actions  

Think that was Bald Pollack.

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by CapsFan75 on Jan 12, 2011 7:36 AM EST up reply actions  

More than a couple Hershey jerseys too.

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A ton of Caps jerseys, which is always nice to see.

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by Upstate NY on Jan 12, 2011 7:55 AM EST up reply actions  

So much objectification last night.

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by Bald Pollack on Jan 12, 2011 8:02 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

So awesome to see so many bears making their All-Star team. Quite a farm we seem to be building based on numbers down there and the (albeit somewhat inconsistent and excluding Fahey) production of those called-up.

Was nice to see Willsie get a point last night on Macken’s pretty goal.

These OT losses are getting frustrating though.

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by RockinRed4Life on Jan 12, 2011 7:58 AM EST reply actions  

Interesting parallels between the Bears last game and last night’s Caps game:
Both teams got into penalty trouble (Bears had 12!), with the opponent scoring 3 PP goals against them.
Neither could convert on any of their own PPs.
Both rallied to tie it up in the third, only to lose 3 – 4 in OT — while on another penalty.

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by bagace on Jan 12, 2011 9:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh, that is weird.

Too much time spent up here learning bad habits. (Just kidding but those are some weird parallels)

I could look this up, but if you know, has their PP been struggling too overall?

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by RockinRed4Life on Jan 12, 2011 9:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Without looking it up either, I’d say no, especially when both Gordon and Willsie are in the lineup.

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by bagace on Jan 12, 2011 9:46 AM EST up reply actions  

ASG

With the admission that yes, the game is completely meaningless and probably a waste of time, its still an honor for a lot of players to be considered All Stars. So, who’re your biggest snubs?

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by Chris Burton on Jan 12, 2011 8:00 AM EST reply actions  

I really think JC74 should have made the rookie team. His stats this season are leading amongst defense-men, not just ROOKIE defense-men

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by RockinRed4Life on Jan 12, 2011 8:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Fowler leads all rookie defensemen in scoring, Shattenkirk is second. No mystery why they were selected; the SuperSkills competition is a show. The one I just don’t get is Ekman-Larsson. He doesn’t get nearly the minutes of the other two and has not put up anything close to their numbers. He also has had three assignments to San Antonio so far this season. Carlson, on the other hand, is the most complete defenseman in this rookie class, and it’s not even really very close. Maybe he’s one of those guys the team “begged off” from going?

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by ThePeerless on Jan 12, 2011 8:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh i didn’t mean to take away from Shattenkirk/Fowler and the other guys who made it…definitely deserve the honor.

Rest is good though too, as SA-Town pointed out below. Especially for a team so plagued with injuries/illness this year.

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by RockinRed4Life on Jan 12, 2011 8:42 AM EST up reply actions  

He got in because they needed a Coyote and they didn’t want to put one in the actual all-star game. I hate the rule where every team must have at least one player selected.

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by Carl Putnam on Jan 12, 2011 9:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Yandle over Boyle or Marc Staal would’ve been much more acceptable than OEL over RAHJC, imo.

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by Chris Burton on Jan 12, 2011 9:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Umm no. Yandle’s defense doesn’t match his offense. Right now he’s actually the guy everyone claims Mike Green is.

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by Carl Putnam on Jan 12, 2011 9:45 AM EST up reply actions  

And it’s an all star game. So that’s fine. Marc Staal is a nice regular season player, but he’s not well suited for an all star game.

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by Rob Parker on Jan 12, 2011 9:58 AM EST up reply actions  

All-Star choices aren’t about the game itself. No one cares who wins. It’s about recognizing good play combined with fans choices. I haven’t watched an NHL All-Star game in years.

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by Carl Putnam on Jan 12, 2011 10:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Keith Yandle has to be better than Dan Boyle, right? Please say yes. I’d take Marc Staal ahead of both but this is the All Star Game.

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by Chris Burton on Jan 12, 2011 3:25 PM EST up reply actions  

That’d have to be it. Completely missed that.

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by ThePeerless on Jan 12, 2011 9:44 AM EST up reply actions  

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by EmilyB on Jan 12, 2011 9:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Making the all-star game is a nice thing……getting some rest is also a nice thing……

by SA-Town on Jan 12, 2011 8:31 AM EST up reply actions  

getting some rest is also a nice thing

Unfortunately the two players (aside from keepers) that I wish could get the rest will be in sunny NC.

by Yoshietree on Jan 12, 2011 8:46 AM EST up reply actions  

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by red army line on Jan 12, 2011 11:18 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

So on the Junkies this morning, one of them said he spoke with an ex-NHLer who is closely affiliated with the team (sounds like Alan May) who was saying that Ovie showed up this season out of shape and overweight. Buy or sell this is a potential explanation for his lack of production?

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by Kolzilla on Jan 12, 2011 8:54 AM EST reply actions  

Sell. He’s been moving all right. His finish is off.

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by Gould Old Days on Jan 12, 2011 8:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Probably more related to his wrist than anything else. Guy has fumbled the puck more than ever, including wiffing on a pass to the point during one of the PP’s last night. If it’s his left wrist than that could explain his control issues with the stick and puck. Might also explain some inaccuracy on his bread and butter one timer.

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by dcsportsfan1 on Jan 12, 2011 9:13 AM EST up reply actions  

It seems like a lot of the bigger names/scorers have been having trouble with bouncing pucks, whiffing on shots, and the like. Maybe the ice at Kettler is just too well taken care of compared to the phonebooth.

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by Elliotte on Jan 12, 2011 9:18 AM EST up reply actions  

I could see there being some truth to the notion that Ovechkin is a half-step less explosive this season. Maybe last night, for example, he could’ve blown past that D on the breakaway rather than dropping a pass to Knuble?

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by Kolzilla on Jan 12, 2011 9:24 AM EST up reply actions  

I think he’s trying to be less predictable. Hell, no one saw it coming.

by DrinkingPartner on Jan 12, 2011 9:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Being predictable old Ovie is what’s been preventing him from scoring as many goals lately. Everyone seems to know better how to defend against him and there haven’t been a whole of changes in how he does things to help him score or at least get a better shot on goal.

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by Elliotte on Jan 12, 2011 9:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Well, outside of passing or dumping and chasing (which they tried to do a little last night with general failure), as soon as he touches the puck and has 3 guys on him, there’s not a lot he can do.

by DrinkingPartner on Jan 12, 2011 10:06 AM EST up reply actions  

right, but perhaps by passing more than he normally would, he’ll start racking up more assists, leading other teams to back off a little anticipating the pass from him

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by Elliotte on Jan 12, 2011 10:08 AM EST up reply actions  

That’s what he is doing.

by DrinkingPartner on Jan 12, 2011 10:12 AM EST up reply actions  

I know he is, but he’s still attempting a lot of shots, that either get blocked, or poke-checked before he can shoot, and they’re still all over him like a TSA agent at the airport. What I’m saying is pass more, almost like 4-1 passing versus attempting to shoot. It might help get Nick and Knuble going better

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by Elliotte on Jan 12, 2011 10:16 AM EST up reply actions  

There’s been dozens of times this season when he passed it on a play where he should have shot it. What you’re saying he should do is what he IS doing, and it isn’t working. Teams still expect him to shoot and will continue to guard him that way.

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by timmyv38 on Jan 12, 2011 10:20 AM EST up reply actions  

He is – that’s why he’s top 10 in assists and not even top 30 in goals.

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by timmyv38 on Jan 12, 2011 10:14 AM EST up reply actions  

If Backstrom could put the damned puck in an empty net, Ovechkin would have more assists and more goals.

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by Gould Old Days on Jan 12, 2011 11:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah. You have to wonder what the hell’s going on in that blonde head of his.

by DrinkingPartner on Jan 12, 2011 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

The pass to Knuble was a great play though, and had both the defender and the goalie out of position, kunble had a GREAT chance.

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by Doncosmic on Jan 12, 2011 12:08 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s not just his finish, he’s not winning puck battles. Mike Weaver (?) I think was that guy’s name is some nobody with a long stick who’s beating AO to and while on the puck. It doesn’t make any sense. For that matter, Nicky seems to be having the same trouble. i wonder if Nicky’s actually hurt, too.

by DrinkingPartner on Jan 12, 2011 9:21 AM EST up reply actions  

If they are, though, do you really think the organization is incompetent enough to make/allow them to play through it?

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by Chris Burton on Jan 12, 2011 9:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Maybe. They didn’t exactly rest Backstrom late last season before the first round despite him being hurt.

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by Kolzilla on Jan 12, 2011 9:25 AM EST up reply actions  

And they let Mike Green play in a totally meaningless pair of games to end the season, when he was dinged up.

So, um, yeah, I can easily see the club letting those two guys take the ice at less than 100%.

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by fat_daddyo on Jan 12, 2011 9:26 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Backstrom is a little different since he hasn’t missed a game since he’s been on the Caps. I think they’re a little more willing to let him keep that going, plus it’s not like we’ve got a 2C that could step up and play 1C well against the other team’s top unit.

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by Elliotte on Jan 12, 2011 9:37 AM EST up reply actions  

I thought he got the shoulder injury in the playoffs (one of the Montreal games)?

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by bagace on Jan 12, 2011 9:48 AM EST up reply actions  

I’m gonna agree that they might be that short-sighted, yes.

by DrinkingPartner on Jan 12, 2011 9:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Guys are always playing hurt in this league. Question is will whatever they have get worse by playing through it. I doubt they would throw Backs out there if he had a knee or other injury that could be made worse. One problem with not running away with the SE is that you don’t have the luxury of resting guys at this point.

I do expect them to be smarter about it late in the season. The positives about some of the down years guys like Ovi and Backs are having is no pressure to put them out there to acheive milestones.

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by dcsportsfan1 on Jan 12, 2011 9:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Really? It looks to me like he’s lost the explosive speed he used to have.

It could, of course, be the hammy he was getting work on during 24/7, of course. But I don’t discount the out of shape angle entirely.

I do think, particularly in light of the cortisone shot, that his wrist is definitely part of the problem. Whether it’s all of the problem, who knows?

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by fat_daddyo on Jan 12, 2011 9:24 AM EST up reply actions  

If he were out of shape, playing 20 minutes a night all year long thus far is going to fix that quick. If he was out of shape at all in training camp, he sure as shit ain’t now. It’s something else.

by DrinkingPartner on Jan 12, 2011 9:28 AM EST up reply actions  

I completely don’t believe in “playing yourself into shape”. Given the grind of the season, you start the season at your peak, and then it’s a decline from there as the games and minutes add up. If he was at less-than-peak condition to start the year, he’s at less than he might be now.

Just my opinion, though, your mileage may vary.

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by fat_daddyo on Jan 12, 2011 9:33 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Wait, what? How does any of that decrease your cardio? Playing (and skating and working out and everything) is only going to help that, especially the more you do it. Your muscles may feel the wear and tear and you may get weaker, but your fitness level is only going to get better and better with the more work you put in.

by DrinkingPartner on Jan 12, 2011 10:11 AM EST up reply actions  

He’s logged a ton of minutes so I don’t think it’s cardiovascular endurace issue. If anything, the idea would be that he’s lost some quickness or explosiveness.

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by Kolzilla on Jan 12, 2011 10:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Well, “in-shape” is probably the wrong term to use, then. He’s plenty in shape, but he’s potentially weaker than he’s ever been.

by DrinkingPartner on Jan 12, 2011 10:22 AM EST up reply actions  

So how is that “in shape?”

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by Kolzilla on Jan 12, 2011 10:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Because “in shape” refers to fitness, not strength.

by DrinkingPartner on Jan 12, 2011 11:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Does that mean we can also expect Ovie to decline from now on?

by Ovietracker on Jan 12, 2011 5:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Ovechkin has had the impression of spraying shots all over the rink. Right now, he is on a pace for 174 missed shots this season. That is almost precisely the number he had last year (172), a season in which he played in only 72 games.

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by ThePeerless on Jan 12, 2011 9:42 AM EST up reply actions  

What percent of his total attempted shots would that be?

It feels like his shots on goal are down this year. Are his shot attempts down? Are his blocked shots down?

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by fat_daddyo on Jan 12, 2011 9:47 AM EST up reply actions  

I don’t know how many shot hes has had blocked, but his SOG pace (382) would be his lowest of his career (if you annualize his 368 SOG last year, it works out to 419 over an 82-game pace).

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by ThePeerless on Jan 12, 2011 10:08 AM EST up reply actions  

It may or may not be an injury. It could be in his head. Sadly we can’t draw any conclusions on either of those points. What we can conclude is that it’s not a fluke.

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by Kolzilla on Jan 12, 2011 9:48 AM EST up reply actions  

There was a moment last night when Ovie carried the puck into the zone on the left wing, stopped up hard, and looked around for someone to pass to. He waited too long, and ended up trying to dump the puck in. But he hurled the puck across the ice to the right corner, no one was chasing the dump, and Florida carried it right out.

The word “spray” came to mind when watching that erratic decision, even if it wasn’t a shot.

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by Ninjak on Jan 12, 2011 11:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Im not sure if he is really out of shape but when i see this explanation, i always remember Ovies comment about his personal coaching change in the summer- “We will see if it works out”.
 And you can say that it didnt work out well for him. He was gassed at the training camp, has more weight than ever and like many here say, he lost his explosivness.

by aleand on Jan 12, 2011 9:45 AM EST up reply actions  

I’ve been wondering this all season, and am close to “buying”.

Ovi hasn’t looked nearly as explosive this season as last, and changed his offseason personal trainer

Alex Ovechkin changed his personal trainer in the offseason.
No reason was given for the change. “I changed my coach,” Ovechkin said. “I worked with a different coach and we’ll see how I’m going to feel this year. It’s probably the same but different group of guys I work with, some different drills and it was good.” Look for Ovechkin to lead the NHL in goals and points this season. Needless to say, he should be the number one overall pick in most drafts unless you really value goaltending.

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by Sombrero Guy on Jan 12, 2011 11:15 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

After showing up for last year’s preseason carrying something like 245 lbs of muscle, it’s be damned hard to match that this year. Especially after the heartbreaking year Ovie had in 2010.

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by Ninjak on Jan 12, 2011 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

I also recall Corey mentioning on twitter that Ovi was laboring in the first day Herbies more than he had in the past. I think the phantom wrist injury is more of a factor, but there probably isn’t one magic bullet to explain the decrease in production.

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by Sombrero Guy on Jan 12, 2011 11:18 AM EST up reply actions  

I think this is the most likely explanation, that it’s a combination of factors. More weight, less than tip-top condition, sore hammy, sore wrist…add in some bad luck in shooting percentage and there you have it.

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by fat_daddyo on Jan 12, 2011 11:55 AM EST up reply actions  

I also believe Ovie’s problems are due to more than one factor. There might be one or some more important than others, but I don’t think you can single out one reason for his lack of explosiveness and sharp decline in goals scored this year.

by Ovietracker on Jan 12, 2011 5:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Why would Alan May be gossiping about Alex with a radio station?

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by EmilyB on Jan 12, 2011 8:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Guess one of them saw this person at the gym and struck up a conversation.

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by Kolzilla on Jan 12, 2011 9:07 AM EST up reply actions  

ex-NHLer — probably Stretch

by Reckless on Jan 12, 2011 11:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Could also be Ken Sabourin?

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by Sombrero Guy on Jan 12, 2011 11:18 AM EST up reply actions  

They’ve been harping on the out of shape meme for awhile. I’m going to go out on a limb and guess it was that douche EB who brought it up? He asked Laughlin about it last week or the week before.

by Yoshietree on Jan 12, 2011 9:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Well, Masisak raised an eyebrow on his conditioning the first day of camp, though I have to think he’d be in shape now halfway thru the season.

Right now, I’m struggling with the notion that I might be happy to hear his wrist is broken.

by CVDTerp on Jan 12, 2011 9:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Listened to the Junkies podcast

Just to add to the post above with some specifics on what was said. One of them asked the former NHLer affiliated with the team what was going on with Ovechkin and if he was a little out of shape. He said, “You watched 24/7, didn’t you? Last year he looked like a ripped, shredded linebacker.”

The rest was paraphrased – “You cannot get in shape during the regular season. If you come to camp and you’re not in shape, it’s over.”

by CVDTerp on Jan 12, 2011 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Ripped? LOL. Ovie hasn’t looked ripped in years.

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by oldemystix on Jan 12, 2011 12:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Seriously. Besides, the jump in weight (going from low 220’s to mid 230’s) was last year, not this year. I think people who don’t follow the team but pretend to (I’m looking at you Sports Junkies) are just sticking with the “Ovi parties all summer long” meme. If it’s anything but mental, I’m thinking it’s the wrist slash from preseason.

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by bagace on Jan 12, 2011 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought he had only gained 1 point from last season so I wouldn’t think that would be the reason for his lack of productivity.

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by CapsFan75 on Jan 12, 2011 7:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Here's a quick replay

… of the hooking call against Green last night in OT

by Brainumbc on Jan 12, 2011 8:55 AM EST reply actions   3 recs

Wyshinski called it a “Superman dive” on Twitter. I thought he was trying to do his best Bobby Orr impersonation.

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by patred48 on Jan 12, 2011 9:57 AM EST up reply actions  

It looked legit until the slow mo replay

by Brainumbc on Jan 12, 2011 10:12 AM EST up reply actions  

too bad they can’t review penalties like they can to see if a puck crossed the goal line

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by Elliotte on Jan 12, 2011 10:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Well if it’s any consolation. Mike Green continues to earn his nickname “Game Over” for his overtime antics :)

by Brainumbc on Jan 12, 2011 10:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Nah, he had to take that penalty.

by DrinkingPartner on Jan 12, 2011 11:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Only because he turned the puck over moments before.

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by Ninjak on Jan 12, 2011 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Technically true, but he’s still the goat, or at least a goat.

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by Ninjak on Jan 12, 2011 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

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Cool shirt. But seeing it in a onesie made me spit my coffee.

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by bagace on Jan 12, 2011 9:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Just like all the other rock merch these days.

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by Carl Putnam on Jan 12, 2011 9:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Couple of tough moments for Hendricks last night.

In the third, in a tie game, he has the puck on a 4-on-1 and manages to pass the puck directly to the defender; then he can’t get the crucial clear in the last seconds of the PK in OT.

I know he’s a great story and all, but those two plays are just brutal.

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by fat_daddyo on Jan 12, 2011 9:29 AM EST reply actions  

Well, yeah, but he’s a 4th liner for a reason, cool guy or not.

by DrinkingPartner on Jan 12, 2011 9:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, he’s not the guy we expect to step up and save the day. Perhaps a single PP goal…

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by Ninjak on Jan 12, 2011 11:15 AM EST up reply actions  

I do expect him to be able to make a simple hockey play, though. Like passing to a team mate rather than into the skates of the single defender in the zone. I mean, that was a total brain lock: scads of ice, scads of time, and he tries to thread the diagonal pass through the defender to the guy on the doorstep. Granted, if it gets through it’s a slam dunk, but the other two options he had were infinitely more available and with the addition of one extra pass, gets to the result Hendricks was looking for.

The failed clear falls into the same category

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by fat_daddyo on Jan 12, 2011 11:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Major fails, I agree. And Hendricks deserves to be called out on it.

I just find myself waaaay more frustrated with the lack of leadership(lead by example, my ass…) from the highest paid players on the team, with their “C” and "A"s.

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by Ninjak on Jan 12, 2011 11:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Failed clear deserves some credit though — it was a very nice play by the Florida player.

It’s up to Hendricks to make a clear that even a very nice play can’t stop, but still — it was a hell of a keep-in

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by Gould Old Days on Jan 12, 2011 11:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Thought this last night and agree.

The pass on the odd man rush on the other hand…

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by Bald Pollack on Jan 12, 2011 11:45 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

You’ve got to admit though, that failed clear was brutal, even for a 4th liner.

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by bagace on Jan 12, 2011 11:18 AM EST up reply actions  

He played it like a potential 2nd liner, instead of a hard working fourthie. I don’t think Beags messes that up, for example. The success and fame is getting to Hendrick’s head!

by DrinkingPartner on Jan 12, 2011 11:34 AM EST up reply actions  

He had a rough game, overall. To his credit, it looked like he continued to work as hard as he could. The occasional mistake is easier to excuse than laziness.

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by RandomID on Jan 12, 2011 11:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Did anyone else see this?
Like I said in my post, they haven’t gone down two men since Dec. 9 – and, yes, I apologize in advance for the two 5-on-3 goals the Caps will give up to the Panthers tonight. Oops.

Now we know who to blame… :P

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Whoops, forgot to add text to the link. It was from this article.

by TheBored on Jan 12, 2011 9:42 AM EST up reply actions  

The BtN article was on my mind the entire game, particularly when the Caps were down a pair.

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by Laich It Or Lump It on Jan 12, 2011 12:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Is it just me, or is Fehr auditioning for the PK? He had four blocked shots last night.

by Wheeler on Jan 12, 2011 11:01 AM EST reply actions  

Think that is the entire team. Whole lotta more ugly the way they’re collapsing on the net.

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by sydtron on Jan 12, 2011 11:02 AM EST up reply actions  

In other NHL news, did anyone catch this slewfoot by PK Subban on Dubinsky last night? Funny that this one and Boyle’s in the Olympics were such blatant ones, yet neither were called for a penalty.

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by bagace on Jan 12, 2011 11:21 AM EST reply actions  

Boyle’s was much worse. This was a bad one and should get punished, but I doubt it will. He looks just off-balance enough to maybe say it was an accident. I’m not buying it. These guys are way too good on their feet.

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by Rob Parker on Jan 12, 2011 11:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Slewfoots hardly ever seem to get called, for some reason. This was a blatant one. Wondering if Subban will get supplemental discipline? Where’s my dartboard…

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by Ninjak on Jan 12, 2011 11:27 AM EST up reply actions  

I think it’s in Campbell’s office.

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by timmyv38 on Jan 12, 2011 11:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Next to DGB’s wheel…

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by bagace on Jan 12, 2011 11:32 AM EST up reply actions  

…and flowchart.

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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jan 12, 2011 2:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Hopefully Boogard gives him what he’s got coming on Saturday in the rematch (assuming neither one are healthy scratches of course).

by jaytown99 on Jan 12, 2011 12:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I would love to see Boogaard fight Subban, but it’s never going to happen. Subban wimped out on fighting Bogosian – he won’t even try with Boogaard.

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by timmyv38 on Jan 12, 2011 12:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Doesn’t matter if he fights back. It isn’t really a big deal if he gets suspended a few games for throwing down with an unwilling combatant.

by jaytown99 on Jan 12, 2011 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah, but I don’t think his teammates want to have to kill off the penalty that would come if Subban didn’t fight back

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by Elliotte on Jan 12, 2011 1:16 PM EST up reply actions  

It actually does matter. Boogaard isn’t going to go after someone who won’t fight back at all – he’s not that dumb.

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by timmyv38 on Jan 12, 2011 3:08 PM EST up reply actions  

LOL! Subban vs Boogaard… A lot of folks would pay good money to see that sort of ass-kicking. Subban isn’t even a competent fighter, let along prepared to take on the reigning heavyweight champ.

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by Ninjak on Jan 12, 2011 12:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Subban will get his, and Dubinsky isn’t one to back down from a fight. I suspect Dubinsky might handle this on his own.

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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jan 12, 2011 2:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Boyle’s was called for a penalty, but should have resulted in an Olympic suspension. It didn’t.

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by gfcaps fan on Jan 12, 2011 6:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Somthings to consider:

Ovi and Backs are having well below par seasons
Semin is on a milk carton
None of our skaters are top 5 in points, goals or +/-
We have no established 2C
The PP is currently MIA
Apparantly we have below average goaltending

A win tonight and the Caps are first in the SE and second in the conference

Sidney is playing at an MVP level, leading the league in scoring. Stamkos is on pace for 60. MSL is in the top 5 in scoring. And yet with a win tonight, we will have more points than TB and Pittsburgh.

Would you rather be where the Caps are we are with underperforming assets or where Pitt and TB are with players playing at the top, or above the top, of their games?

Just trying to capt