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Southeast Division Preview: Who Should Worry the Caps?

This week we've been taking a look at the Capitals' very own Southeast Division, breaking down what moves were made over the summer, and who the division's best forwards, defensemen, and goaltenders are.  Today we take a slightly longer look at each of the Capitals division rivals and ask one question: "Which team presents the biggest challenge to the Capitals four-peating as Division Champions?"

Atlanta Thrashers

Why the Capitals should be worried about them:  The Thrashers may have lost Ilya Kovalchuk, but they've made a number of additions that are going to make them both competitive and more difficult to play against.  The return from the Kovalchuk deal - Nicklas Bergfors, Johnny Oduya, and Patrice Cormier (if he's with the team this year) - offers the Thrashers a nice combination of offensive ability, defensive depth, and grit, which is about all you can ask for.  The additions of former Blackhawks Dustin Byfuglien, Andrew Ladd, and Ben Eager mean that there aren't going to be too many easy shifts for opponents or nights the Thrashers come out flat, something that will help Atlanta, especially in the era of the three-point game.

But no one move was as important as the addition of goaltender Chris Mason, a free agent from St. Louis.  While most of the offseason talk swirled about the future of Evgeni Nabakov, where Antti Niemi would be playing next year, and what was going to happen to Marty Turco, Thrashers' GM Rick Dudley shrewdly locked Mason in to a two year deal with a cap hit of $1.85 million dollars - not bad for a guy who's gone 97-63-1-20/2.44/.918, save for a poor 2007-08 season, since becoming an NHL regular.

The Thrashers also arguably sport the division's best defense corps, a group made up of Zach Bogosian, Ron Hainsey, Tobias Enstrom, Brent Sopel, Boris Valabik, and the aforementioned Oduya.  No one player from that group may be a world-beater, but the unit as a whole can play effective defense, man the point on powerplays, move the puck, and kill penalties.

Why the Capitals shouldn't be worried about them:  As valuable as a number of the Thrashers' players are, most are valuable as complementary players rather than marquee ones.  Neither Chris Mason nor Ondrej Pavelec is a top-tier netminder, the defense doesn't have an anchor, and the forward situation is, at best, two second lines, a third line, and a fourth line.  In a division full of elite offensive talent, having neither the means to shut opposing players down on defense nor the firepower to keep up with them might be too much to overcome.

Of course, we might be selling the Thrashers a little short with that assessment.  After all, Bryan Little, Evander Kane, Tobias Enstrom, and Zach Bogosian are still young, and getting better-than-expected seasons from each could be a difference-make, as would guys like Ladd and Byfuglien stepping up their games as they play more important roles than they did last year.

What it all boils down to:  The Thrashers should be an interesting team to watch in 2010-11, if for no reason other than how much uncertainty surrounds the team and how much potential they have.  But for Atlanta to make enough noise to become a playoff contender or even challenge for the division, a lot of things are going to have to break right for them - more than you could reasonably expect for any team.  While the Thrashers will likely prove a tough opponent in games where they go head-to-head with the Capitals, it's hard to imagine them giving Washington a real run for their money as the class of the Southeast.

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Carolina Hurricanes

Why the Capitals should be worried about them:  I'm always slightly wary of underestimating the Hurricanes, the same way I'm always a little wary of underestimating the Atlanta Braves - all too often when you're sure they're headed for a mediocre-at-best season, they find a way to be competitive.  Add that to the fact that the Hurricanes are arguably flying under the radar, coming into the season with Eric Staal, Tuomo Ruutu, Sergei Samsonov, and Erik Cole all coming off sub-par and/or injury-ravaged seasons, and the fact that Cam Ward can get hot at any time, and it might be too early to dismiss the Hurricanes.

Why the Capitals shouldn't be worried about them: Simply put, the 2009-10 Hurricanes were not a very good hockey team.  They were average in terms of generating offense, in the bottom five in the league in goals against, and below average both on the powerplay and the penalty kill - and they haven't really done much in the way of strengthening their team in the offseason.  And while the 'Canes did have several players break out (or overachieve) last year, for every Brandon Sutter or Jussi Jokinen there's a Sergei Samsonov or Erik Cole.  For Carolina to really be a threat in the Southeast, the players who exceeded expectations in 2009-10 will have to continue to play at that level and the players who dropped off will have to return to form, and that's a tall order.

What it all boils down to: The Hurricanes may not have undertaken the same kind of massive fire sale we saw out of the Capitals, but make no mistake about it, this is a team in rebuild mode, full of young players, question marks, and generally underwhelming veterans.  For the Hurricanes to do anything more than fight to stay out of the Southeast cellar would be somewhat of a surprise...well, aside from that whole "never underestimate this team" thing.

Florida Panthers

Why the Capitals should be worried about them: Tomas Vokoun is the best goalie in the Southeast, and one of the few NHL netminders who can steal games for his team on a regular basis, and if healthy, David Booth will be a guy you hate to play against but would love to have on your team.  Beyond that the Panthers have several guys who would be excellent complementary players on better teams, and guys like that can end up burning you if you're not careful.

Why the Capitals shouldn't be worried about them:  Florida might have a number of players who would do very well in auxiliary roles for good teams, but on the Panthers they're going to be asked to carry the load, a fact that belies the team's overall lack of talent at the NHL level.  There's no elite player on either offense or defense, the team's depth is questionable, and unless something surprising happens, the Panthers will be a  lottery team in 2010-11.

What it all boils down to: New GM Dale Tallon has a pretty impressive track record, and given time he should be able to make the Panthers in to a decent NHL team, but they're simply not there yet.  Expect the extent of the pressure the Panthers put on the Capitals to be limited to individual games and individual performances from Vokoun or Scott Clemmensen.

Tampa Bay Lightning

Why the Capitals should be worried about them: To start with, the offense.  Martin St. Louis, Steven Stamkos, Vincent Lecavalier, and Simon Gagne are all excellent offensive players who can skate, score, and create for their teammates, and you could do a lot worse than Ryan Malone and Steve Downie for secondary scoring and Adam Hall, Sean Bergenheim, and Dominic Moore as depth forwards.

The Lightning should also be better on the defensive side of things.  Dan Ellis should provide an upgrade of Antero Niittymaki, and the addition of Brett Clark and Pavel Kubina give the team a pair of solid stay-at-home defenders.  Continued development from Victor Hedman and a bounce-back campaign from Mattias Ohlund might be all that is needed to turn this in to a formidable group.

Why the Capitals shouldn't be worried about them: The Lightning's offseason looks great on paper, but until the new players and coach get out on the ice in competitive situations, the team's not going to be completely sure exactly what they have or how to most effectively utilize their talent.  Eventually the Lightning should figure it out and be a very good team, but any stumbling out of the block might give the Capitals enough of a head start to win the Southeast by a comfortable margin.

What it all boils down to:  Steve Yzerman's had a very impressive start to his career as a general manager, shedding ineffective and overpaid players and making shrewd moves in the the trade and free agent markets.  There's only so much one man can do in one offseason, so the Bolts might not be ready to challenge for the division crown - but if one or two guys have breakout years or Yzerman is able to make another solid move or two in season, things could get very interesting in the Southeast.

Poll
Which Southeast opponent represents the biggest challenge to the Capitals repeating as Division Champions?
Atlanta Thrashers
55 votes
Carolina Hurricanes
85 votes
Florida Panthers
7 votes
Tampa Bay Lightning
541 votes

688 votes | Poll has closed

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by J.P. on Sep 3, 2010 11:32 AM EDT reply actions  

If it was a Rorschach test, my first reaction would have been, “dog track.”

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by ThePeerless on Sep 3, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

which will go over the crossbar.

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by Bald Pollack on Sep 3, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

which will go over the crossbar hit the glass

Fixed.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Sep 3, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bring it on.

I have to agree with interesting in the case of TBL. These two teams are starting to collect reasons to dislike each other, and TBL actually being any good will only add fuel to that fire. I wouldn’t mind a divisional rivalry or two to spice things up – and yes, I know there’s also some of that brewing with Carolina. A couple of real rivalries make divisional play more fun for us the fans and offer the Caps the challenge I think they need.

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by gotsparkly on Sep 3, 2010 11:40 AM EDT reply actions  

I’ve got WSH, TBL, ATL, CAR, FLA, I think, though I wouldn’t be surprised if 2 and 3 flipped.

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by J.P. on Sep 3, 2010 11:43 AM EDT reply actions  

This is pretty much where I’m at. I think a lot is going to depend on how both TBL and ATL integrate their new players. ATL seems to be overflowing with great role players, but not a lot of elite forward talent. TBL, on the other hand, has lots of elite talent, but lacks some of the role players.

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by D'ohboy on Sep 3, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with that order. I’ll go further and say I see TB making the playoffs and Atlanta just missing. I could see Carolina finishing ahead of Atlanta if they can get their team working, but I’d be surprised.

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by timmyv38 on Sep 3, 2010 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Like everyone else, I voted for Tampa, but I’m surprised the Canes are beating Atlanta right now. I’d think the Thrashers would be the clear #2 choice after the Bolts.
I think another interesting question is: how many SE teams will make the playoffs this season?

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by Jake Shapiro on Sep 3, 2010 11:44 AM EDT reply actions  

Extrapolating from the poll results, it looks like “One, maybe two.”

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by SmallZ827 on Sep 3, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

I say two, Washington and Tampa.

by David Getz on Sep 3, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

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by J.P. on Sep 3, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hmmm. I’ll go with:

Philly
Washington
Boston
Pitt
NJD
TBL
BUF
ATL

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by fat_daddyo on Sep 3, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Philly at number one? You’re not worried about their goaltending?

by David Getz on Sep 3, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

In the convoluted sim-season I played in my mind, Pittsburgh had injury problems and MAF shat the bed, the Caps never could get the C position to work out right, NJD had problems meshing on D and incorporating the new system into their personnel set…and the Flyers had huge bounce back years from a bunch of guys up front, got great luck with injuries, and caught fire just after the New Year to salt it away.

It’s a predictive system that has never failed to be spectacularly wrong, so take heart if your mileage varies.

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by fat_daddyo on Sep 3, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I bet NJD takes the ATL… again. And doesn’t win a playoff series.

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by Rob Parker on Sep 3, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hate NJD so thoroughly, I can’t pick them.

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by fat_daddyo on Sep 3, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Getting the Division pennant and Princess Toadstool? Life is so unfair…

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by alex_k on Sep 3, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

bah, can’t see it!

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by RedBirdie on Sep 3, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I couldn’t either, but then I refreshed the page and it came up.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Sep 3, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

thanks! worked for me, too.

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by RedBirdie on Sep 3, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

when can we expect this year’s “The Caps Are Ripe For The Fall” post? That may have been the highlight of the 2009 off-season.

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by RedBirdie on Sep 3, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

But the Caps did fall. Right at their ripest. :(

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by EmilyB on Sep 3, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

but it sure as hell wasn’t at the hands of Carolina.

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by RedBirdie on Sep 3, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

None will challenge

But hopefully the overall improvement will make it easier to tolerate the 24 SE division games – and hopefully the Caps will learn to stop toying with these teams.

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by macvechkin on Sep 3, 2010 12:16 PM EDT reply actions  

It’s kind of funny to think the Canes went to the ECF two years ago

by bob.haildc.com on Sep 3, 2010 12:20 PM EDT reply actions  

No it isn’t. They went to the SCF twice in 5 years. They were a really good team for a long time.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Sep 3, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

They weren’t a bad team in 08-09, but they got pretty lucky to get to the ECF.

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by fat_daddyo on Sep 3, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

stupid Marty.

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by RedBirdie on Sep 3, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Since the Flyers seemed to have his number.

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by CapsFan75 on Sep 3, 2010 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oops, now I realize you were talking about Carolina and not the Flyers. (Will that be the Flyers’ fate this year?)

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by CapsFan75 on Sep 3, 2010 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah dude a team that went to the ECF and then losing 14 games in a row next year isn’t funny at all…. stuff like that happens all the time… your so right man

by bob.haildc.com on Sep 3, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d take their rafters over ours at this point. Or maybe you’d like to condescend others a little more.

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by Bald Pollack on Sep 3, 2010 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Considering our rafters contain 2 Washington Mystics attendance champions rafters….Yeah I would chose theirs solely on what D.C. considers an “accomplishment”. And yeah that comment was another condescending comment directed towards the whole WNBA establishment.

by bob.haildc.com on Sep 3, 2010 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not what I’m saying. If you can’t argue the statement without belittling its source, you don’t deserve to be here.

"#DCU is like senior prom. A bunch of people standing around waiting for a 17-year old to score."

by Bald Pollack on Sep 4, 2010 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

If Dan Ellis has an outlier of a year (on the positive side of the ledger), the Bolts could challenge the Caps. Mike Smith just plain sucks, so to have any chance of overtaking the Caps, they’re going to need to limit him to 20-ish starts, and Ellis will have to be very good between the pipes. That would be a big workload for Ellis, but every year someone overperforms, and it could be DE this year.

Their D will still struggle to lock down elite offensive teams, so they’ll give up their fair share of shots.

My predicted division finish is the same as JP’s, above. I like Atlanta a little better, though, and don’t see Carolina giving them that much of a run.

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by fat_daddyo on Sep 3, 2010 12:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Man, Tampa’s running away with this thing (86% at the moment). I was expecting something like 55/30/15 split TB/ATL/Others.

by David Getz on Sep 3, 2010 12:36 PM EDT reply actions  

The JP effect?

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by fat_daddyo on Sep 3, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Stevie Y effect.

by S h a g g y on Sep 3, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Since Stevie Y is considered to be the Savior of Tampa Bay.

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by CapsFan75 on Sep 3, 2010 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

The lead image effect?

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by J.P. on Sep 3, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, I believe that’s a visual representation of the Stamkos, Vinny, Marty, Gagne effect. That’s a lot of talent to not be concerned about.

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by Chris meet Alex on Sep 3, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

but they had Stamkos, Vinny, and Marty last season as well and look where it got them. I have no doubt the team will be improved this season (if only because that circus of a front office and ownership as been replaced my competent people), but adding Gange to the mix is not going to suddenly make them a real threat to the Caps’ dominance. I’m not even sure it’s enough to get them to the playoffs.

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by RedBirdie on Sep 3, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Makes sense to me. If I were the Caps, I’d be worried about Semin and worried about Tampa, though to a much lesser extent.

by David Getz on Sep 3, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I think Gould Old Days made the point that Atlanta could be this year’s version of Phoenix. While I don’t entirely agree with that (Atlanta has better forwards than Phoenix, but similar defense and worse goaltending) I do think that they’ve got better depth than Tampa on the blue line and that’ll make a lot of difference. One or two injuries to Tampa’s defense and they’re going to find it really hard to win hockey games.

by Wheeler on Sep 3, 2010 12:55 PM EDT reply actions  

What did Phoenix have that Atlanta doesn’t?

Dave Tippett

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by ThePeerless on Sep 3, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was about to say it again. And that’s a good point Peerless. I still think Atlanta finishes above TB (who I see as pretty dysfunctional right now), but I don’t think any of them will really challenge.

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by Gould Old Days on Sep 3, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m an adherent of the “moving parts” argument, the question whether too many moving parts makes for a successful result in the short term. Atlanta and, to a lesser extent, Tampa Bay will be integrating a fair number of new parts, and both will have new coaches. I think both will have uneven years and that neither will perform to their “on paper” level. I’m going with Carolina, who always seems to find a way to at least be competitive. But all of them might finish within five points of one another, and that’s why I suspect that this year it could be another one SE playoff team year.

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by ThePeerless on Sep 3, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

According to thefourthperiod.com, the Thrashers signed Fredrik Modin to a 1-year deal. I don’t think it’s going to make much difference in terms of the standings, but I’ll also admit I don’t know much about Modin. I’m mainly going off his numbers, which haven’t been good for the last 3 seasons – all of which seem as if they were injury-plagued.

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