Capitals Extend Neuvirth
by Becca H on Sep 22, 2010 10:09 AM EDT
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PrintPer @capgeek and confirmed by the team, the Capitals have signed goaltender Michal Neuvirth to a two year contract extension. The deal is worth $1.15 million per year.
[For a look back at Neuvirth's 2009-10 season, check out his Rink Wrap.]
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What a great deal. As I noted elsewhere, there’s a very real chance that Neuvirth will play himself into what would have been a much higher salary range this season, so locking him up now at that number is fab. (Contra Poti or Erskine or Sloan, none of whom is likely to excel to the point that their current deals will look like bargains.)
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I haven’t had a chance to read the Poti thread from yesterday afternoon (though I can’t believe it was overwhelmingly positive) but I have to agree with you that if he can play in the Stanley Cup Playoffs like he did in the Calder Cup Playoffs that this will be a total steal.
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Really solid. If he ends up being a #2 goaltender with potential upside (which I think he showed he could be last season) he’s a bargain, and if he works his way into the starting role, its a steal. If on the off chance we end up with two NHL starters, this contract will be huge trade bait.
Love it all the way around.
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There’s nothing not great about this.
Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.
… to the point one has to wonder why the player took this deal so early.
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maybe he felt it gave him an edge over Varly?
by vtcapsfan99 on Sep 22, 2010 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
GMGM being proactive about his massive amount of Free Agents next summer?
9 UFAs and 3 RFAs is a lot of deals going out or coming in either way. (this is still counting poti and neuvi)
Bruce Boudreau when asked about Brooks Laich's return to the lineup, he said: "He just adds another dimension to our team. If it was puzzle, he just fits that thing. He completes us."
Brooks Laich completing everything from teams to tires and everything in between.
that’s what it seems like to me. two signings in two days?
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He did say that he was looking at getting some of them done before and during the season. The man may play a mean hand of poker, but he doesn’t flat out lie.
"It's always good to have vikings."
but he doesn’t flat out lie.
Except when he flat-out lies.
Also, they’re totally comfortable with Brooks Laich centering the 2nd line.
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by Gould Old Days on Sep 22, 2010 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
i think Belanger would have a bone to pick with that statement… or is it his agent to blame?
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It’s higher than his QO would have been maybe? Low confidence? Impulsiveness?
Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.
It is higher than his QO would have been, but not by a whole lot. To be sure, I’m thrilled he signed what and when he did… just wondering why.
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Didn’t want to risk ending up like Jose looking for a job in September…
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by iwearstripes on Sep 22, 2010 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Didn’t want to risk being like Niemmi…
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by Gould Old Days on Sep 22, 2010 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions
You mean risk winning a Cup and making a hell of a lot more money?
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Ain’t nothing ever going to take that ring away from Niemmi, but if you asked him about his offseason, I suspect he’d tell you he wasn’t very happy with how it went.
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by Gould Old Days on Sep 22, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
And he could’ve taken a QO or signed a deal with the ‘Hawks – he didn’t have to go to arb.
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There’s risk and then there’s risk…we’re talking about a goalie who hasn’t locked down a full-time job at the NHL level yet getting an early extension that pays him more than $1 million a year in a crushed goalie market. It’s a contract based on potential, not experience and NHL service. If Neuvirth bombs at the NHL level, the Capitals are paying good coin for the next two seasons. That’s the security from the player’s point of view. Yeah, he could get more if he plays it out, but he likes the organization, the team obviously likes him, so they sign a deal that removes any financial uncertainty.
The average goaltender’s hockey lifespan is pretty volatile, so getting a good deal now before he really does anything at the NHL level is attractive.
There’s an incredibly small chance that he has such a bad year and/or is so injured that he wouldn’t be qualified (at ~80% of what he’s going to make next year). The second year is nice, but I’m still surprised his camp played this one so safe. Just my opinion.
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GMGM has now struck fear into the hearts of all agents that their clients better sign now…
Hopefully It’s not because he feels that he can’t be the number one guy this year.
Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...
by dcsportsfan1 on Sep 22, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe he values the security it gives him and his family
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by Gould Old Days on Sep 22, 2010 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
There’s an awfully good chance he could provide more security for himself and family over the next two seasons than the coin he’s locked into now.
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Yeah, but if he doesn’t have it now, it’s not security. It’s potential. What if he got hurt tomorrow?
Kid has 3 Million in the bank right now. I suspect you can do pretty well with 3 Million in the bank in the Czech Republic.
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by Gould Old Days on Sep 22, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don’t think he wanted to look into local schools.
Or maybe he just saw a written offer in addition to the oral, and locked it down.
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by Alz Well That Ends Well on Sep 22, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I’d chalk it up to the notoriously poor market for goaltenders at the moment putting some scare into an unproven young player. It’s nice to have security.
And let’s not underestimate the mental effect on a goaltender. He doesn’t have to worry about contract issues for nearly 3 years.
You had me at no problem.
The timing of this deal makes much more sense than yesterday’s deal for Poti (for the Caps that is). If he takes over the number 1 role this year then we have a cheap number one for a couple of years and set the bar for resigning Varly. If he ends up as the clear number two, this is a very tradeable contract if the Caps decide to keep only one young G. That may be a necessity if they have to re-up Varly at number one goalie prices and makes it a bit more possible to be able to keep 22 and 21 in the fold next year.
Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...
Referencing JP’s tweet props to capgeek for getting it first and correctly, does that mean it’s likely it got done and recorded last night, but of course the rest of the world was either watching pre-season hockey or sleeping?
"It's always good to have vikings."
I understand giving CapGeek credit, but I’m not sure how having access to the NHL database deserves of some big kudos; in that situation if they have the info. at all it’s going to be accurate due to the source of the info.
Based on what’s written in the “About Us” section of their site, they have multiple ways of gathering info. And if the info WAS gathered from the NHL database, how is that different than a player texting Bob Mackenzie to tell him a deal is done? It’s still a primary source and he’s still the first one to report it – props deserved.
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Not gonna lie – I’m very, VERY happy about this signing.
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by Rather Bengt on Sep 22, 2010 10:26 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Love the deal.
Does Poti’s deal also go into effect next season?
And why does GMGM feel the need to do this now? Thoughts?
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by Steck It Out on Sep 22, 2010 10:26 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Yes, Poti’s cap hit is still 3.5 Million for this year. And I think McPhee is doing this because he values security too. Uncertainty’s a killer in negotiations.
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by Gould Old Days on Sep 22, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Good point. After all the drama with the late RFA signings, I think that’s something GMGM would want to avoid.
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by Steck It Out on Sep 22, 2010 10:32 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I had a strange feeling after Poti’s deal that we’d start to see some other signings sooner rather than later. I wonder who will be next…
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Brooks Laich
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by Gould Old Days on Sep 22, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed.
"#DCU is like senior prom. A bunch of people standing around waiting for a 17-year old to score."
by Bald Pollack on Sep 22, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
I expect him before Neuvirth, so I agree.
I don’t think Bradley gets re-signed. I love him, but he’s replaceable with younger guys for less money.
"It's always good to have vikings."
That’s the thought that keeps popping up in my mind and quickly gets shoved out again. It makes me so sad to imagine this team without Brads, as much as I’d understand it from a hockey standpoint…
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I know, but there’s such a glut of fourth liners in the system. Of course, we could trade some of them. Nah, probably not.
"It's always good to have vikings."
We’ll see. If Bradley puts up a somewhat similar season in 2010-2011 as in 2009-2010 then I could see him back, as he’ll be cheap, and he’s a really good fourth liner.
by red army line on Sep 22, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
I know, if he leaves, who will the Cult of Bradley make burnt offerings to?!
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I would be that Brooks’s agent isn’t going to be willing to sign an extension this early, especially considering that his client’s goal and point totals have increased over the past three seasons. Signing an extension now would result in Brooks leaving a lot of money on the table.
That’s pretty much where I’m at – I’d be surprised if they could agree on a number right now.
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Put him on the 3rd line with Chimera and move Fehr to the 2nd and Semin to LW, take away half of Laich PP time and give it to Fehr.
One can only wish.
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I thought they should of given Knuble Laich’s PP1 spot. That was one adjustment Bruce didn’t try on the PP in the playoffs.
by vtcapsfan99 on Sep 22, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Well sure, but if I’m being asked who would be the next to re-up that’s who I’d point at.
"#DCU is like senior prom. A bunch of people standing around waiting for a 17-year old to score."
by Bald Pollack on Sep 22, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
And to extend it further, I’d say that might be the last of the re-ups, as Alzner and Varlamov will probably wait out the year.
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by Bald Pollack on Sep 22, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
I’d love to see Alzner extended now, before he starts to take major strides in his game. I’m the opposite with Varlamov, he’s likely to ask for more than he’s worth right now because of some of his high profile successes. I’d rather see him come back to earth, or prove that he really is that elite (and healthy) before we give him a bunch of money.
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Agreed, but he’s probably closer to the QO acceptance/modest two-year increase area next year (baseless speculating).
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by Bald Pollack on Sep 22, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
You are talking about Alzner right? A question I have about his QO, does it work off his bonus-valued contract or what he was actually paid? I suspect he never hit a lot of his bonuses so his cap hit wasn’t as high as it could have been. Where is the start point for calculating his QO?
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QO is based on salary in the last year of the contract, not including signing bonus and not including performance bonuses.
I have to double check and confirm, but pretty sure his salary subtracting the signing bonus is $787,500 and the QO would be 105% of that figure or $826,875. Also, based on the QO rules, And it will be a two-way QO unless the team chooses to make it a one-way QO based on the QO rules in the CBA.
note: About my earlier post about Neuvirth and his QO, the numbers are accurate but my comment about it possibly being a one-way were not. It would have been a two way QO…I missed an “and” in the CBA clause 10.2 (a) (iii).
Well now’s the time for Laich to put his money where his mouth is. GMGM seems willing to lock guys up early; if Laich really just wants to be here and isn’t so concerned about money he can sign for 2.5-2.75 right now. Or he could go cutthroat and try to get the most the market will bear. I’d rather GMGM stick to extending RFAs but Laich seems the more logical option for an extension.
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If Semin was inclined to take more term, he’d have done it last Spring. Nah, I see the Semin Ship sailing straight for the Free Agency Fjord
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by Gould Old Days on Sep 22, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I can’t remember who is always saying Semin will win a Conn Smythe if he stays in the NHL (you, maybe?), but this will, in all likelihood, be his last chance to do so as a Cap.
I don’t see any scenario where the Caps can, or are willing to, give him the term and money he will likely be demanding.
The guy is Peter Schumpmaker. Lord knows what a schump is, but you can bet your bippy his ancestors made them. What he's doing is far worse than crafting fine schumps.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Sep 22, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
And we’re well on our way to the far right bank…
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Even if he stays with the Caps, I think his chances of that are nil. If the Caps get a Cup this year, it will be on the backs of Ovie and Backstrom, not Semin.
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That’s a pretty bold statement to make…I know this isn’t the proper thread, but this team is not going to make it through the playoffs on the back of one line.
I never said they would. But Ovie and Backs will have to be the ones leading the team, just like they have been. The 2nd line needs to produce, but they aren’t going to be the main factor.
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I think the Semin Conn Smythe comment was from a discussion about him disappearing in the playoffs — that he streaks hot and cold and so the alternate to him putting up 0 over 44 shots is that he could also run hot and dominate a series or two.
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by Alz Well That Ends Well on Sep 22, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think Semin can win a Smythe on the Caps—wings rarely win it, and he’ll be a second liner too, which makes it even tougher—but goalies frequently win the Smythe, and considering Neuvirth’s history, he could have one in his future.
/crosses fingers
by red army line on Sep 22, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
this will, in all likelihood, be his last chance to do so as a Cap
I’d put $10 down on Semin dipping his foot in Free Agent Fjord, finding the water a bit too cold, and making his way back to the comfort of the Caps for whatever they’re offering (probably a bit too much). I bet he becomes a UFA and then is re-signed.
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by Gould Old Days on Sep 22, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
He can’t sign anything until January 1st, so I hope you’re wrong and we get some other stuff taken care of before that.
why can’t he sign anything until Jan. 1?
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Could be HHBL, though I’d be mildly surprised if he and the team are on the same page with regards to his value this point.
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HARBL?
But seriously, I’m not tracking with the nickname.
Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.
Ohh. I thought we were going with Auto Mechanic Brooks Laich or Consummate Gentleman Brooks Laich.
Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.
I think Consummate Gentleman is best applied to players like Avery and Cooke. I know you were being genuine with Brooks, but somehow Consummate Gentleman Sean Avery just rolls off the tongue better.
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by Alz Well That Ends Well on Sep 22, 2010 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
He’s a swingar!!!!
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by oldemystix on Sep 22, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You know, John Erskine’s now eligible to negotiate an extension. And that guy’s a top-six defenseman on the team that had the best regular season record last year. That’s worth at least 2 Million, don’t you think?
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by Gould Old Days on Sep 22, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
While we’re at it, why not add a few years onto Steckel’s deal?
'Cause the end of what it was is what it is right now...
We only have Ovie for 13 more years. Time to lock him down before it is considered a 35+ contract. Also, we can give it crazy spiked numbers to validate Damien.
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by Alz Well That Ends Well on Sep 22, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Knowing what his cap situation looks like for some of the smaller pieces (the rookie goalies, Tom Poti, and probably Matt Bradley and Boyd Gordon) will also make it easier to know where he has to stand in regards to the bigger pieces this year (Alexander Semin, Brooks Laich, Karl Alzner) and next (Mike Green and John Carlson).
Get it done before the player goes on the ice and proves he deserves more? Shore up the goaltending picture (a problem for many teams) as early as possible? Unlike the Poti thing, I think it’s hard to ask why now on this one, unless you’re talking about Neuvy’s part in the deal.
Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.
Neuvy I knew was eventually gonna get a deal. And I guess, like Gould mentioned above, GMGM likes his assets safe.
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by Steck It Out on Sep 22, 2010 10:31 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I was completely expecting to come into this thread and see you throwing the timing issue in the face of the people that weren’t so pumped yesterday. Good on you for recognizing the major differences. I’m with you and J.P. on this, Neuvirth probably should spend the next couple years looking for a new agent to do his next deal.
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For his sake maybe, but for our sake I hope he keeps the same agent.
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Is there a chance that he’d simply prefer to win – and allow the team to have a bit more freedom – than try and break the bank? I know that’s strange to say in our oh-so-cynical world…but some people value things besides money.
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have you watched the video yet? He’s got that whole “I can’t believe someone just gave me a million dollars!” giggle going on. it’s cute.
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No Poti is still under his previous contract and will make 3.5 this season. Next season his extension goes into place. His cap hit should drop from 2010-2011 to 2011-2012 from 3.5 mil to 2.875.
Bruce Boudreau when asked about Brooks Laich's return to the lineup, he said: "He just adds another dimension to our team. If it was puzzle, he just fits that thing. He completes us."
Brooks Laich completing everything from teams to tires and everything in between.
The timing of Poti’s deal is a bit of a mystery to me, but it seems that now in the salary cap age, they like to get a lot of these deals on the books now to avoid messy issues later and give the front office a better picture on where they stand with the the team’s salary cap numbers. There are quite a few guys that have contracts coming up after this season.
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by PaintDrinkingPete on Sep 22, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Let’s imagine for a moment that Varlamov signs a similar deal. That would mean that in 2011-2012 the top three goalies in the Caps’ system — Varlamov, Neuvirth, and Holtby — would make barely half ($2,937,778) of what Cristobal Huet will make ($5,625,000).
Just some perspective.
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by ThePeerless on Sep 22, 2010 10:28 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Hip Hip Huet
hes over paid!
But hes on the SC :(
Bruce Boudreau when asked about Brooks Laich's return to the lineup, he said: "He just adds another dimension to our team. If it was puzzle, he just fits that thing. He completes us."
Brooks Laich completing everything from teams to tires and everything in between.
…And Huet’s deal is proof positive that sometimes getting the bigger paycheck is more of a curse than a reward. He may have the money, but he’s stuck with a team that can’t afford to pay him to play in the NHL, and a contract that no other team wants to take off their hands.
I can’t speak for Huet, but I’d rather make less money and play in the NHL than be forced to play in the AHL for no reason other than what my cap hit was. (It’s much different if the reason is solely based on talent).
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by PaintDrinkingPete on Sep 22, 2010 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
He was loaned to a Swiss team.
Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.
Playing in Switzerland, by all accounts, isn’t a bad deal. The money’s good, the quality of life is good, and the quality of play is OK. Huet, of course, is getting that 5.7 mil no matter what; however, he gets to make that 5.7 mil, be the starter on a Swiss team, and play close to his home (France). That’s a pretty decent deal there.
Huet also started his career in Switzerland, and his wife is also French. Other than not playing in the NHL, it’s an extremely sweet deal for them.
Back when he was with the Caps, he was something approaching a national sporting hero in France. Every day there were game recaps and profiles on Huet’s new teammates, and then daily updates about the contract negotiations. And then he jumped ship for the Hawks and I passed my French comps, so I wasn’t reading French sports pages on a regular basis. Despite his benching by the Hawks, he’s probably still a pretty big deal in France. And now he gets to play very close to home ad still make $5+ a year.
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by Gould Old Days on Sep 22, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Seriously. If you told me I had to literally shovel manure for a year, but you’d pay me $5M, there is no chance I wouldn’t pack up my office and invest in a nice True Temper shovel with the cushion grip.
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by iwearstripes on Sep 22, 2010 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Shovel it? I’d eat it for that amount.
by Cluster on Sep 22, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Texas Pete to the rescue…
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by bigonetimer on Sep 22, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Sriracha with a huge save…
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by iwearstripes on Sep 22, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
this is a repeat of a comment I made in the clips thread, but I wonder if Neuvirth’s deal will put some pressure on Varlamov to sign a similarly priced deal. I can see Varly signing for a bit more, but if he wants to stay in Washington, the Caps have some negotiating leverage on him now with Neuvirth’s contract, in addition to the fact that Varly will still be an RFA.
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by Sombrero Guy on Sep 22, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
So the Caps have a potential #1 goalie and a guy who’s good enough to be a #3/4 defenseman locked up for a combined 4 Million for the next three years. That’s less than Theo alone made last year. I agree with everyone who thinks the ratio going to Poti versus Neuvirth is a little high, but if you take them together as one combined deal, it looks pretty good. (In other words, Neuvirth’s is more good than Poti’s is risky)
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by Gould Old Days on Sep 22, 2010 10:31 AM EDT reply actions
It’s so simple. So very simple
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by Gould Old Days on Sep 22, 2010 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
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This is great news to wake up to.
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This really is brilliant. Here are the scenarios I see playing out from this:
- Neuvy thrives and becomes number one goalie at a ridiculous value.
- Varly takes the challenge being delivered by this signing, steps-up his game, and takes the number-one reigns. We have legit #1, and a very reasonably-priced back-up.
- They both stink, and we aren’t left with a poor contract to have to swallow.
Nice work George!
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I coulda got him more.
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by ThePeerless on Sep 22, 2010 10:48 AM EDT reply actions 15 recs
After yesterday’s Poti thread, I had some trepidation logging in this morning.
I’m happy to see the positive take on this. We’ve got a goaltender locked up now for three seasons that more people believe is the future than believe Varlamov is, and Neuvy’s still an RFA when this deal expires.
Two questions in my mind:
1. Why did Neuvy sign now? Yesterday, the talk was why did the Caps sign Poti. Today, it should be why did Neuvy sign?
2. What is the impact on Varly, his psyche and his contract status? We don’t know if GMGM and Varly’s agent are talking and what $‘s they are talking. I wouldn’t be surprised to see GMGM try to sign Varly at slightly more, given his greater experience. If GMGM did that, he’d have two potential stars for the price of one (as folks have noted above).
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I don’t have numbers to back it up, but my perception from around the rink and other sites isn’t that more people believe Neuvy is the future over Varly.
In fact, on JR the readers say Varly (#6) is the most valuable Cap over Neuvy (#12). Now maybe that is saying “right now”, but the discussion on both looked heavily to the future because neither has really accomplished that much in the NHL yet.
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by Alz Well That Ends Well on Sep 22, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree with you. I’m trying to penetrate the forcefield around GMGM’s mind to understand where he is moving. Why #30 first? What is he doing with Varly?
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Yeah, but what’s to say Varlamov wants to do anything now? As a presumed #1 going into camp, maybe he’s hedging for a good contract year and a bigger 2nd contract than he’d get otherwise.
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by Bald Pollack on Sep 22, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
trying to understand GMGM?
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my perception from around the rink and other sites isn’t that more people believe Neuvy is the future over Varly.
See, the thing is, Neuvirth is the better player.
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by Gould Old Days on Sep 22, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I was clearly talking about people, not ducks.
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by Alz Well That Ends Well on Sep 22, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I think to some extent it’s a matter of personal opinion, and to some extent it’s people basing their opinion off of the fact that Varly was a playoff hero two years ago and has gotten more of a look – and sooner – at the NHL level.
This year is going to be reeeeaaally interesting to watch, if only because of the goalie debate.
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The other thing I keep in mind is that last season, Neuvirth only had one start in pre-season before he was injured. I thought then, and I continue to think now, that he might have given Varlamov a run for his money, had that not happened. The injury took him out of consideration.
I expect they will act as a goalie tandem, 1-1A, until one or the other shows he’s the clear #1. Varlamov has unholy luck; everyone was, “wow!” when he beat the Canadiens in their own barn on his NHL debut, but I counted at least six saves by the post that, had the Habs been able to aim a little better, would have gotten past him. Then we’d be having a different discussion altogether.
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Nah, Varly was going to be on the Caps before Neuvy last year no matter what because of his playoff efforts in the prior season. And I also don’t think anybody is really putting much stock in his debut game. More in his playoff performances, again.
Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.
Still doesn’t mean the boy doesn’t have unholy luck. :-)
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He might have been – or Neuvy could have blown everyone away in preseason and stolen the job, it’s happened before. I will agree that it was probably more Varly’s job to lose last year, but you never know.
Man, I’d forgotten he got injured right at the start of preseason.
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We’ll never know, but I honestly didn’t buy it then and don’t buy it now. Not because Neuvy couldn’t have played that well, but because the team wouldn’t lean on Varly and then stick him in the AHL when they were mostly planning on having Jose start games anyhow.
Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.
We’ll never know.
But yes, it was Varlamov’s job to lose last season. If his mad luck had failed him, and Neuvirth had come out flying and blown everyone away, Varly might well have lost it, too. But we’ll never know.
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Quick and Dirty Probability Analysis:
5% chance he Sucks Royally, Loses Job to another goalie (Hershey, trade), sent to Hershey. No real NHL Future
20% Sucks a bit, Varly is clearly better, Uncertain whether he is a career backup or if he is just a good AHL goalie Arbitration Award: $700k
50% Is a solid backup caliber goalie, nothing spectacular Arbitration Award: $900k
20% Wins Starting Job from Varly but isnt particularly spectacular Arb Award: $2 Million
5% Wins Starting Job, is Damn impressive, Tukka Rask Style, Arb Award: $4 Million
Expected Value of this scenario: $1.19 Million Per Year
So this contract seems about right.
Feel free to plug in your own % and contract awards and figure out what you think he is worth.
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I think that first 20% is a bit high.
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I know he won the Calder and everything and has been fine in the NHL but he is still a goalie. Goalies, especially young ones, are notorious for being inconsistent as hell.
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I just don’t get the impression that there is a 20% chance of failure, so sue me!
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I think that first 5% is a bit low.
Really? There’s only a 1 in 20 chance he won’t be an NHL goalie who gets more than 50 games in the show?
Lots of no name goalies have won the Calder Cup, including Freddie Cassivi….
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by bilspacecadet on Sep 22, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I mean at the end of this year. I think it is very likely (95%) that he is at least getting a QO from the caps for the 2011-2012 season if he hadnt signed this contract.
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good point.
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by bilspacecadet on Sep 22, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Patrick Roy would like to have a word with you. I think Olie Kolzig is next in line.
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One question someone had that I’m not sure of the answer on – is this a one-way or two-way contract? I assume one-way, but not sure.
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Two way means he can be sent to Hershey more easily and stuff.
Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.
I thought it was just a difference in pay? wooops.
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No, no, no, wrong.
Two-way has nothing to do with waivers, despite what EA’s NHL have taught you.
Em is right – it just means he gets the same paycheck at the AHL as he does at the NHL.
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by J.P. on Sep 22, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
You don’t have to be a jerk about it.
Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.
More my frustration with the game manufacturer than with you.
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by red army line on Sep 22, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
I do a lot for my own enjoyment, which seems to cause problems, heh.
Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.
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'Cause the end of what it was is what it is right now...
by D'ohboy on Sep 22, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
From Caps Insider
“When I found out I got the offer it meant a lot to me,” Neuvirth said this morning when asked his reaction to knowing the Capitals want him in the mix beyond this year. “It took me about a month to get the deal done and I’m glad that’s over, I can put that behind me and just focus on hockey now.”
Neuvirth, who will earn $765,000 this season, said after weighing his options when he was originally presented with the extension about a month ago, he decided it was a good idea to ensure his future with the Capitals.
“I was thinking what to do for a bit,” he said. “But me, my agent and my family decided it’d be nice to sign for another two years with Washington. There are great and high expectations here. Their goal is to win the Stanley Cup and that is my goal. I feel like I have the best chance to win the Stanley Cup here, that’s why I took the deal.”
Here’s what Coach Bruce Boudreau had to say about whether the extension might take some of the non-hockey pressure off Neuvirth: “There’s always pressure because he’s young enough he’s going to want another contract, but if anything [the new deal] gives him the peace of mind of knowing the faith that we have in him and he can focus on being a great goaltender like we know he is.”
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This is actually confirming my response to the above questions of why he signed as low as he did. He probably just wanted to get it done and out of his mind, this close to the season.
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by SeattleCapsFan on Sep 22, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
So speaking of Neuvy, this from the Burnside article (in this AM’s Clips):
“[Neuvirth] does everything very, very well and with ease, and we think we’ve developed him the right way,” McPhee said. “We’ve given him two years in the American league….” [Emphasis added]
What does that say about how they’ve handled Varly?
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by vtcapsfan99 on Sep 22, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
What does that say about how they’ve handled Varly?
“We threw him in the fire because our overpriced veteran stop-gap stopped nothing in the playoffs.”
'Cause the end of what it was is what it is right now...
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by ThePeerless on Sep 22, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Nah. He’d just say it’s a different goalie in a different situation and they handled him the correct way as well.
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Considering he earned the “W” in every playoff win by the team the past 2 years and technically has only lost 4 games in a series one in 3 times…I can’t argue that they didn’t handle him right.
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by Davethecapsfan on Sep 22, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Then again, he clearly ran out of gas against PIT and it’s hard to argue he shouldn’t have sat one of the back-to-back games that series; and then you could argue that they overplayed him last year, contributing to his lengthy absence.
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He wasn’t getting much help in that Game 7. For all the talk of the Fleury save on the Ovie breakaway, our D looked so out of gas/hurt and lethargic in that game I don’t think we were winning it regardless. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a team’s D collectively take more time to get pucks out of their own zone and mishandle it so many times as I did in that game.
It would be hard to sit him as I recall the only back to back games were 6 and 7 were they not? We’ll see how his conditioning and injuries go this year.
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by Davethecapsfan on Sep 22, 2010 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions
From game 4 on he looked rough. His glove was a sieve and he just didn’t have the same swagger. The back to back games were 4 and 5. I would have sat him game 4 probably.
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So could we call him Neuvy-Riche?
/groan
by Kerry Fraser's Hairspray on Sep 22, 2010 12:35 PM EDT reply actions
::tweet:: That’s two minutes for unsportsmanlike punning, sir. Oof.
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by Kerry Fraser's Hairspray on Sep 22, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Great Deal!
If Neuvy only becomes the back up, well, a quality back up for $1.15M is pretty damn good. If he wins the starting job… then it’s an amazing deal. I guess this contract will take him up to arbitration when it lapses?
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He’s definitely leaner in the lower cheek/jaw line, but he’s still cute as a bug.
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Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.
Green hasn’t lost his fat cheeks, they are just in hibernation until spring.
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by Killer_Carlson on Sep 22, 2010 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Damn, nhl.com and it’s attachments seem to down at the moment. Or is it just me?
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Great deal. It’s clear GMGM has a plan. This can’t not affect Varly in some ways, and truthfully I don’t see any of them as real negatives. Either it pushes him to sign too, probably for less money than he could get if he plays the year, or it pushes him to up his game and be that #1 guy. Like F&B said above somewhere, I’d love to see Laich ante up his “team first” mentality and put it in writing for a nice cap number.
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