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Do my eyes deceive me? That headline says “Flyers @ Caps Gameday.”

Hallelujah.

You perhaps knew me better as "Your Nation's Capital." Same great commentary, now with 100% more transparency!

by EmilyB on Sep 16, 2010 6:52 AM EDT reply actions  

Lovely phrase, isn’t it?

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by CapitalCentre on Sep 16, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

J.P. – Great job on LaVar & Dukes yesterday!

He's a better skater than Nick, but he's big in the back[side]...BB

by Backeez Got Back on Sep 16, 2010 7:01 AM EDT reply actions  

Gracias.

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by J.P. on Sep 16, 2010 7:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

You did a nice job resisting the urge to correct Chad when he called Belly’s deal a “verbal agreement”.

Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...

by dcsportsfan1 on Sep 16, 2010 8:17 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Yeah, I felt like a big enough dick for using 25-cent words like “ostensibly.”

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by J.P. on Sep 16, 2010 8:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

think of it as stimulating the economy, 25 cents at a time.

It is one’s patriotic duty

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by ThePeerless on Sep 16, 2010 8:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think you provided a nice balance to the DJ King interview where 25 cent words were few and far between. Unless you consider the phrase “Thats for sure” worth a quarter.

Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...

by dcsportsfan1 on Sep 16, 2010 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

And I’d like to thank J.P. for now making me notice just how many times people get it wrong!

"I am ready for his provocations"

by PaintDrinkingPete on Sep 16, 2010 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Amazing, ain’t it?

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by J.P. on Sep 16, 2010 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

I had to stifle a chuckle on that, since I had been the one to bring up the issue here.

"It's always good to have vikings."

by gfcaps fan on Sep 16, 2010 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Meaning that I had screwed it up first.

"It's always good to have vikings."

by gfcaps fan on Sep 16, 2010 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

This might be a dumb question, but what else would you call it? There was nothing in writing, was there?

by VATigersFan on Sep 16, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oral agreement. Verbal = using words; Oral = using spoken words.

Ergo all contract agreements are verbal, but not all verbal agreement are oral and the distinction between oral and written was the issue in this case.

by David Getz on Sep 16, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Thanks for the clarification!

by VATigersFan on Sep 16, 2010 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

The main issue here is that there was an Aural agreement, but no Oral agreement.

Atta dinnin stick a who!

by Gould Old Days on Sep 16, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Is that a lawyer joke?

"Do you see my fist? It was fists like these that built quaint Canadian cities out of the harsh Canadian wilderness, etc. etc."

by SeattleCapsFan on Sep 16, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

not really. Just a bad joke.

Atta dinnin stick a who!

by Gould Old Days on Sep 16, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was going to add something about the Hershiser Consent but then I realized I had nothing.

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by SmallZ827 on Sep 16, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Excellent — it’s so great to have hockey talk on local sports radio!

By the way, I have to disagree, I think King will spend quite a bit of time on the first line with Ovechkin. (Ok…I shouldn’t make fun…I do want the trend of those guys covering the Caps to continue).

"I am ready for his provocations"

by PaintDrinkingPete on Sep 16, 2010 8:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

I thought it was a reasonable question to help inform a portion of the audience, which hopefully I helped to do with my answer.

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by J.P. on Sep 16, 2010 8:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Absolutely…although a question of that nature does say, to me at least, that we may not be ready to put the “hockey town” label on Washington just yet…but at least we’re working on it!

"I am ready for his provocations"

by PaintDrinkingPete on Sep 16, 2010 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

JP and DJ King on Lavar & Chad Dukes in the afternoon; Another Caps segment on WJFK (with Steve Kolbe) in the evening; Comcast SportNight having three separate segments on the Caps last night. Banner day for DC hockey coverage, I’d say (and the season hasn’t even started yet).

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by bagace on Sep 16, 2010 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Middle of the week, must not be much going on in the Redskins world right now.

Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.

by jordanDC on Sep 16, 2010 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yowza, today’s clips are linkalicious.

A clear conscience is usually the sign of a bad memory

by Rather Bengt on Sep 16, 2010 7:50 AM EDT reply actions  

Me, putting together today's post:

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by J.P. on Sep 16, 2010 8:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

“How I wish I could return to the good old days. Oh I hate this life. The food is filthy. This huge sausage is very suspicious. If I didn’t know any better I’d say it was Eric Belanger’s con…”

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by Boggles on Sep 16, 2010 8:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Didn’t read the title:

I thought this might be a reference to the making of an NHL contract

by Brainumbc on Sep 16, 2010 8:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Stringing together (small pieces of pig) lips and assholes?

Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.

by jordanDC on Sep 16, 2010 8:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Is that chorizo? Chorizo is good stuff…

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by MikeL-Pivonka on Sep 16, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Funny, I’m eating chorizo right now ;) That’s definitely not chorizo.

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by CapsFan2020 on Sep 16, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I feel sorry for Bélanger.

It’s one thing to have a greedy agent, and a crappy agent. But to have a greedy, crappy agent.

And who suffers? THE CHILDREN! THINK OF THE CHILDREN! They’ll have to settle for eating out at Fogo de Chao on Friday nights in stead of Ruth Chris. NOOO!!!!!!

by Brainumbc on Sep 16, 2010 8:09 AM EDT reply actions  

It’s obvious that Washington is where he wanted to be, and it’s a shame the two sides couldn’t have come together to work something out. The thing is, even if the Caps front office had zero contact with him regarding the status of his deal, his agent at the very least should have been looking for opportunities for him elsewhere.

"I am ready for his provocations"

by PaintDrinkingPete on Sep 16, 2010 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Two years @ 1.5 m each, as described by Vogel would have been a pretty sweet deal in hindsight. Granted, no one (outside of the NHL, anyway) knew how the market was going to collapse for players at his level, but still, that would have been a great signing.

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by gfcaps fan on Sep 16, 2010 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Worth noting for those who feel that the “oral agreement” was an underhanded thing to do – it’s not. It’s normal practice in certain private sectors, namely government contracting. It is standard practice to hire a worker for a government contract “contingent upon award”, which means that they’re hiring for a contract they’ve bid on but haven’t actually won yet. They do this so that when the contract is awarded, they have a staff ready to go. The job offer disappears if they don’t win the contract. That’s known and understood by all sides, and it’s common for both the workers and the recruiters to keep several irons in the fire just in case.

I don’t really fault the Caps – don’t ever plan until you and they have signed on the dotted line – but Belanger’s agent is an idiot.

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by gotsparkly on Sep 16, 2010 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Seriously. Belanger’s been in this business for more than ten years; his agent’s an experienced attorney, yet neither thought to get anything in writing and went on for weeks and weeks assuming things were going to work out? The massive failure on their part is the biggest story to me.

by David Getz on Sep 16, 2010 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

And now poor Belanger is a symbol of all that’s wrong with Canada.

http://www.kuklaskorner.com/index.php/hockey/comments/eric_belanger_political_pawn/

I really wish Tapioca hadn’t been such a lunkhead. Eric really wanted to play for the Habs, but M. le Sports Agent kept spinning the fairy tale of riches just over the horizon.

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by EmilyB on Sep 16, 2010 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

I would amend that to Belanger is a symbol of all that’s wrong with the views of the Parti Quebecois trying to rouse separatist support in Quebec through the lamest means possible. Not all that’s wrong with Canada.

A clear conscience is usually the sign of a bad memory

by Rather Bengt on Sep 16, 2010 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

God, did you read that crap they were spewing this morning?

"Lack of a Quebec identity on the Habs ends up serving the federalist cause." Ooookay…sure. Crazy lady.

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by Becca H on Sep 16, 2010 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

;-)

The Parti line, yes.

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by EmilyB on Sep 16, 2010 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Mathieu Darche- The Parti Quebecois’s Great French Hope.

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by Rather Bengt on Sep 16, 2010 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

I hope this guy has a fall back in another area of legal representation, because any athlete would be mortgaging their future with a guy who doesn’t seem especially quick and whose reaction to being outed is pretty much limited to bluster.

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by ThePeerless on Sep 16, 2010 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

The cue for me was the Cyberpresse link at the top of yesterday’s Clips, in which M. le Sports Agent held a conference call and Thundered! about the grave injustices done to his poor beknighted client.

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by EmilyB on Sep 16, 2010 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

People are coming up with all sorts of colorful names for Belanger’s agent: Tapioca, Tropicana, etc.

That agent sounds really incompetent.

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by CapsFan75 on Sep 16, 2010 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow man.

There’s two sides to every story dude. Just b/c Ted Leonsis says something doesn’t mean its true. If an employer sends me a training schedule and a moving company I would feel pretty confident they are offering me a contract.

by alpo on Sep 16, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

But, dude, man, sir, if you weren’t actually offered a contract, would you move?

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by SmallZ827 on Sep 16, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Seriously? Without a signed contract? No way I do that for any job.

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by Carl Putnam on Sep 16, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that’d be a mistake. Any job search site, book, seminar, or course will tell you that you don’t have a job offer until you have it in writing. Not getting that was a massive mistake on the player/agent part.

by David Getz on Sep 16, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

No kidding. That was meant to be a rhetorical question with the obvious answer of “No.”

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by SmallZ827 on Sep 16, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

It’s not like they even offered him the job. They gave him fair warning they couldn’t agree to any terms until they cleared some Cap space.

So throw in to your analogy the fact that not only were you not offered the job in writing but your future boss told you they had to fire someone BEFORE hiring you. Even more reason not to set your plans in stone.

by Brainumbc on Sep 16, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

What did the agent advise his client to do? The player hired the agent, presumably, because the agent can provide reliable professional advice on how to conduct his affairs with respect to his relationship to a professional sports organization. One might reasonably think that the agent, having surveyed the situation and drawing from similar experiences in such matters, could advise his client reliably about whether to proceed to arranging for a move and/or checking out local schools or not.

Seems if the agent was providing advice on such matters, it turned out to be rather poor.

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by ThePeerless on Sep 16, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Belanger shouldn’t have needed his agent to tell him it was a dumb idea, but, point taken.

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by SmallZ827 on Sep 16, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Capital Spirit just posted the conclusion of the tarot reading. That series was really fun to read.

Atta dinnin stick a who!

by Gould Old Days on Sep 16, 2010 8:12 AM EDT reply actions  

When the situation fell off in Washington, it was more a question of opportunity than going after money. I had offers yesterday with more money on the table, but I turned them down because I felt Phoenix was the better opportunity to showcase myself and to be there long term because that’s been talks that we’ve had with them. When new owners come in, there might be talks about an extension during the season. That’s the plan for now and I’m looking forward to it.

So is Belanger under the impression that he is going to be a 1C or 2C in Phoenix because that’s the only way I see him getting more playing time to prove himself but if he is just going to be a 3C there then why not take one of the other offers for more money? I mean, the guy is going to be 33 in December. What if he plays 2C in Phoenix and sucks and they don’t give him an extension? If I were him, I would have taken the money.

Also, found this twitter online. I wonder what the issue with the Thrashers was.

@BenThrashers

@Portfoliokey @DCCheapSeats As for Belanger, he ripped the Thrashers when he left to, and that was coming off of a division title. about 11 hours ago via TweetDeck

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by CapsFan2020 on Sep 16, 2010 8:33 AM EDT reply actions  

About Belanger and Phoenix.. NHL Home Ice had audio of him on some talk station saying that he was replacing Lombardi in Phoenix. Good luck with that.

Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.

by jordanDC on Sep 16, 2010 8:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

As I stated in the Clips yesterday once you realize what the Yotes center situation is then its harder to scoff at that notion.

"The most important thing - to get to the playoffs and move on." Evgeny Kuznetsov

by Carl Putnam on Sep 16, 2010 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Marty Hanzal is going to fucksplode this season, just watch.

Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.

by jordanDC on Sep 16, 2010 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Martin is great, but my guess is he’s put in the same role he had last year. He’s the shutdown guy.

"The most important thing - to get to the playoffs and move on." Evgeny Kuznetsov

by Carl Putnam on Sep 16, 2010 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

He could put up 60 points if Petr Prucha returns to his 30-goal-scoring ways.

Bwahahahahahahaha. No, sorry. I can’t even keep a straight face saying that.

by Wheeler on Sep 16, 2010 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe they can put Wolski back at center.

Oh, wait, wings and centers never switch positions. Ever.

More to the point, I thought it was interesting how you said the other day that “Mueller is Colorado’s headache now.”

If you think Mueller is a headache, Wolski is a full-blown perma-migraine. So much talent. Such inconsistent effort. He’ll win you a game one day, then make you want to choke him the next.

Enjoy!

'Cause the end of what it was is what it is right now...

by D'ohboy on Sep 16, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ha Ha. I saw that extended thread yesterday.

From what I read over the summer Yotes are going to try Wolski at center, but it think they are counting on it working. It’s one of those experiments you try, if it works great, if not you’ve already got plan B.

Mueller’s on-ice performance was not the only issue here. As a matter of fact, if it was just an on-ice issue I think there is a chance that trade never happens.

"The most important thing - to get to the playoffs and move on." Evgeny Kuznetsov

by Carl Putnam on Sep 16, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m telling you, get ready to pull your hair out some nights watching WW.

'Cause the end of what it was is what it is right now...

by D'ohboy on Sep 16, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve watched him plenty over the years and even more since his arrival here. Reminds me a lot of Semin in terms of the inconsistency. To be fair, he’s had some injury issues as well.

"The most important thing - to get to the playoffs and move on." Evgeny Kuznetsov

by Carl Putnam on Sep 16, 2010 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Except when the depth chart requires it. Or maybe Belanger isn’t ready for the tougher western conference and needs to be acclimated until his coach trusts him.

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by Rob Parker on Sep 16, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I really wish him the best – but question his judgment. Holy crap, the Caps’ offers seemed very generous, esp. in retrospect. I guess the cachet of playing for a Stanley Cup favorite aint all it’s cracked up to be.

by S h a g g y on Sep 16, 2010 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

I must say I’m a bit surprised that Ted and the Caps used a Vogs article to be their “official” response on Belanger. Nothing against Vogs, but I think they would have been better served by providing some quotes and context to Corey or Katie and letting them run with the story.

Either that, or stick with the “We never had a contract with Belanger” angle and leave it at that. As it is, it provides more grist for the mill for guys like Damien Cox to argue that Ted wants to control all aspects of media coverage of his team, especially negative coverage.

Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...

by dcsportsfan1 on Sep 16, 2010 9:19 AM EDT reply actions  

I think there’s something to be said for that, for sure. But on balance, they must have felt that the need to get some portion of their version of the truth out there outweighed the couple of knocks they’d get for producing it internally.

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by J.P. on Sep 16, 2010 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yup. I’m sure they weighed out all the options and determined this way had more pros than cons. The risk is that it keeps the story alive by not providing access to “independent” media. Maybe that will change.

Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...

by dcsportsfan1 on Sep 16, 2010 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

But if “independent” media were given access, it’d likely be a whole lot of “We can’t comment on those specifics at this time.” It wouldn’t be any more informative than this was and probably less so. Take it for what it is – a press release.

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by J.P. on Sep 16, 2010 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

If the Caps are going to say anything at all, why not provide the same details that Vogs had access to to the Post, CSN, etc and let them write essentially the same article. Same info without the smell of it being an internally produced spin piece.

Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...

by dcsportsfan1 on Sep 16, 2010 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Because those outlets wouldn’t be doing their job if they just printed what the team gave them.

And there’s no “smell of it being an internally produced spin piece” – that’s precisely what it is.

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by J.P. on Sep 16, 2010 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Because those outlets wouldn’t be doing their job if they just printed what the team gave them.

…of course that’s essentially what they did with the agent’s side of the story, but I guess when they had nothing from the Caps’ side that’s all they COULD do. Sorta.

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by Becca H on Sep 16, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, and that journo (assuming we’re talking about the French-Canadian fellow) allowed himself to be a mouthpiece for one side, which, last I checked, isn’t strong journalism. Did he even ask the Caps for a comment?

Mirtle, on the other hand, went and got a comment from the Caps, other agents, etc. to run with the agent’s letter. That is journalism.

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by J.P. on Sep 16, 2010 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Mirtle, at least, made it plain that the info he was presenting came unaltered from the agent. I believe he gave the Caps a chance to give input, which they declined.

I must say, I do think Mirtle is a responsible journalist.

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by fat_daddyo on Sep 16, 2010 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Right: “The Capitals declined to comment other than to say they never had a contract in place for Belanger.”

That’s responsible journalism.

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by J.P. on Sep 16, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly. And yes, I was referring to the other guy – sorry, didn’t mean to inadvertently include Mirtle in my journalist-bashing. I’m just amazed at how many of his colleagues have run with the story without doing any leg-work or trying to get something from the Caps.

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by Becca H on Sep 16, 2010 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sadly, in modern media responsible and investigative journalism is largely dead, felled by such culprits as sensationalism, laziness and the continued hunt for viewers/readers.

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by Madelle on Sep 16, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

William Randolph Hearst would approve.

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by Carl Putnam on Sep 16, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

There are a couple of competing business theories with regard to dealing with ingenues and amateurs. One, don’t take advantage because karma is a bitch; and you’ll gain more in the long run by establishing a reputation for fair dealing. Two, if they’re reckless enough to put themselves out there, make the most advantageous deal possible for your side, because their business is their business, and if they allow themselves to be taken advantage of, it’s on their head.

The Caps appear to have adopted the latter strategy, to Belanger’s cost. While not particularly admirable, hard-nosed business practices are not an offense to anything other than decorum, really.

Tacopina’s press offensive smells to me like a guy that sees a realistic chance of being sued in his future, fwiw.

Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

by fat_daddyo on Sep 16, 2010 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I think it may have more to do with a civil defense attorney not realizing that using the press when a acting as a player agent is much more a double edged sword than when using them as a defense attorney.

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by Carl Putnam on Sep 16, 2010 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

That’s another, connected element to this story.

I was referring to the contention (which, in the absence of a denial in Vogel’s story, I accept as true [a nod to mc79 for first noting this]) that the Caps asked Belanger to take himself off the market while they worked out the details. This has a ton of benefit to the Caps, no cost to the Caps, and a ton of cost for Belanger with only negligible benefits to him.

That’s a great deal for the Caps, and stupid of Tacopina/Belanger to accept it.

Regarding the press angle, Tacopina’s use of the press is another indication his poor judgment. Leaking the story, and then the recent blitz of aggrieved indignation, is probably maladroit. Tacopina’s performance appears abysmal on a lot of fronts here, from the decision to accept an atrocious bargaining position, to staying on that position while the market dried up, and ending with making the whole thing public.

Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

by fat_daddyo on Sep 16, 2010 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Belanger did not have to fully take himself off the market, it was a stupid decision. He could have continued to look elsewhere, and if another team had offered something close or better to what the Caps were offering, all he had to do was get on the phone and tell them that if they couldn’t complete the deal in, say 48 hours, he’s out. He put all his eggs in one basket because he wanted to play here. Not smart in any profession.

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by gfcaps fan on Sep 16, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Right you are.

My point is that the Caps asked (or maybe “required”) Belanger to take himself off the market. I have zero idea what industry standards are in the representation of pro athletes, but I have to believe that this type of deal is not struck often; or if it is struck, it’s for a very short duration. E.g., “We’ll stop shopping for three days, in order to allow you to clear space, but after that we’ve got to press on.”

Did McPhee and Fishman smell blood in the water with an inexperienced agent, and press for an advantage? They certainly pressed for an advantage, and got one, by striking a lopsided deal.

Tough negotiating, and as you say, stupid of Belanger to accept it.

Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

by fat_daddyo on Sep 16, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

He wanted to play here, so he had an emotional investment in making the deal with the Caps work. That’s where the agent is supposed to come in and be the less emotional voice of reason and urge his client to play a little more hard to get.

In this case Tacopina sounds just as emotional as Belly probably is. I’d be surprised if Tacopina has any clients left after this debacle.

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by SeattleCapsFan on Sep 16, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Didn’t mean to suggest that Katie (or others) would just regurgitate what the team provided. Just that they should be afforded the same access to sources that Vogs was (maybe they were and didn’t find it worthy of reporting on, which I doubt). Presumably they would get the same details/quotes to use in their own reporting of the Caps side of the story.

Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...

by dcsportsfan1 on Sep 16, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Right, but the optics are obviously way different in Vogs’ piece versus one in which every one of the paragraphs is quetioned and then answered with “no comment.” The benefit to the team of “transparency” there is minimal at best.

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by J.P. on Sep 16, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

The premise I’m working off of is that once the Caps decided to go beyond their initial comment, an external reporter could get access the same details as Vogs. Sounds like you are suggesting that they would get a bunch of “no comments” compared to what Vogs got.

Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...

by dcsportsfan1 on Sep 16, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

What did Vogs get? No quotes or on-point refutations, right?

Did Vogs ask, “So is Tacopina’s claim that the deal was done except for putting pen to paper, rather than contingent upon the Caps making a trade, incorrect?”

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by J.P. on Sep 16, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

No he sure didn’t have the answer to that question, and I would not expect the Caps to give him(or anyone else outside a court of law) an answer if he did ask. But he seemed to have more details from the Caps point of view than others.

His quote:

I spent some time this afternoon gathering some intel, and this is what I can tell you.

I take that to mean that he did some poking around the office and got some details about the issue that I had not seen published before or since. Perhaps he’s the only one who made the effort. If Katie did the same legwork, would she have gotten the same info? That’s the basic question I have.

And by no means am I trying to disparage the great work that Vogs does or suggest he is just a mouthpiece for the Caps. My question is more about how the Caps operate when it comes to dealing with the media, both internal and external.

Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...

by dcsportsfan1 on Sep 16, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

If Katie did the same legwork, would she have gotten the same info? That’s the basic question I have.

Is anyone asking that question publicly? I mean, where’s the Post on this story?

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by J.P. on Sep 16, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Who’s down at Kettler today? Find her!

Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...

by dcsportsfan1 on Sep 16, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Vogel is paid by the Caps

He’s the definition of a mouthpiece for them. They pay him to produce what they’re selling to people.

by Tyler Dellow on Sep 16, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yup — there’s no doubt Vogel is a mouthpiece for the Caps. He’s never claimed to be otherwise. His banter with Tarik about “you just had to ask the right questions” a couple of shows ago makes that eminently clear.

He’s more than just a mouthpiece, but there’s no question he is a mouthpiece.

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by Gould Old Days on Sep 16, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed on all counts. I have found him to be an especially talented and erudite mouthpiece though. On the occasions I’ve had to chat with him, he’s also been pretty forthright about the organization and the players in ways that a shill would not.

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by D'ohboy on Sep 16, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Vogs is a “mouthpiece” who is still a journalist and not afraid to break with the party line and is accordingly not given free access to insider info. He tends to steer a middle course and he gives his opinion freely. I am not saying his piece was investigative journalism but neither was it a standard PR response or else it would have come Nate.

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by capsyoungguns on Sep 16, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

A very good point.

I am shocked that the team had him write this. This is Nate’s Job.

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by MikeyGreen on Sep 16, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s an interesting position, Vogel has as “senior writer.” He’s clearly part of the team. With that said, I’ve heard enough from him in the last few years to believe that he’s reasonably independent, and if push came to shove, he’d quit before publishing anything he knew to be untrue or otherwise doing something he considered unethical.

Cox won’t recognize the value of having someone as independent as Vogel, but I get the sense that Vogel has a good reputation around the league. If so, then there’s some real value in having him write this up, as opposed to, say, an unsigned press release sent by Nate Ewell. Vogel doesn’t hesitate to criticize the team at times. He’s a captive journalist, but he is a journalist. And I thought it was a good writeup of the team’s position on things.

The real test will be whether Caps brass make themselves available to the Mirtles, Katies, and Coreys of the world now that they’ve had their in-house writer put their version of the story out there.

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by Gould Old Days on Sep 16, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I certainly don’t think he published “anything he knew to be untrue or otherwise doing something he considered unethical.”

And I do think he has a relatively independent take on a bunch of things and that he does a tremendous job. The Caps also have firewalls in place so that the hockey ops guys and the media/PR guys don’t know a ton about the other’s doings.

But do you think that post got published without being vetted first? I don’t know the answer to that, but if I had to guess, I’d say that it was more thoroughly reviewed than his typical (outstanding) fare.

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by J.P. on Sep 16, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, I’m sure everyone made sure it was exactly what they wanted to say. There’s no mistaking that this came from the team, and Ted didn’t shy away from that in his blog post. Still, I think the Caps get some value leaguewide by having a guy like Vogel write it up for them.

It’s akin to hiring a well respected biographer. There’s no doubt the story comes from you, but it still carries more weight than if you’d written it yourself because that person signs it too.

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by Gould Old Days on Sep 16, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree again with everything said here.

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by D'ohboy on Sep 16, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ted has no obligation – he’s not negotiating Belanger’s contract. Maybe Ovie and Nicky’s and (I hope) Semin’s this fall.

What remains is that there COULD have been a contract, and at least one valid offer was made, the 2 year, $3 Million deal prior to July 1. The Caps were serious and negotiated in good faith. They are guilty of nothing but trying to accommodate his request for one year, $1.85 million, which was a contingency deal. He ran the risk of the market drying up for the services of mid-range players (we’ll miss his faceoff prowess), and suffered from gross inexperience/acumen of his “agent”. It’s sad.

by S h a g g y on Sep 16, 2010 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not surprised at all. The one thing the Caps did not want to do was issue a response under the club’s masthead. It elevates the issue to much, to what might be a “league-level” matter. Better to do it this way; it isn’t unlike what you see in a lot of political campaigns where a spokesperson might issue a response to a charge.

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by ThePeerless on Sep 16, 2010 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

For those worried about our captain having not come back early, Corey reports that he’s the first one on the ice this morning.

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by gfcaps fan on Sep 16, 2010 9:55 AM EDT reply actions  

Yup – Sasha’s out there, too. It instantly put me in a better mood to hear our Russians are back where they belong :)

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by Becca H on Sep 16, 2010 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

No doubt. It smells like hockey, and that’s a very, very good thing.

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by SmallZ827 on Sep 16, 2010 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Where eagles fly on a mountain high?

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by Gould Old Days on Sep 16, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Russians are coming! The Russians are coming!

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by SeattleCapsFan on Sep 16, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought I cared about the Belanger business yesterday. Today my one and only concern is that the plumber get out of here by noon so I get to the post office and then to Kettler by 1.

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by Boggles on Sep 16, 2010 10:16 AM EDT reply actions  

mc79hockey

I’ve enjoyed following the tweets and blog entries by mc79hockey.

One thing I’d like to point out regarding the commentary on the Washington Capitals’ cap space is that there is a different off-season calculation vs in-season calculation and one does have to take into account the off-season numbers when commenting on potential cap reasons why the Caps may have wanted to wait to finalize a deal in the context of the potential leverage not just being an issue of having one less center under contract, but also off-season cap space.

Having tracked a simple set of the off-season numbers for the Capitals throughout the summer, the Capitals have room, but it is reasonable to say less room than some people assume. One has to count Collins and Nylander against the cap this summer ($5,525,000 cap hit combined in one-way contracts) along with the other one-way contract players. At the same time, some players people are counting 100% against the cap for an opening night roster only count in a pro-rated manner this summer, for example, Carlson.

Anyway, the point is while I don’t believe either side’s story entirely as there is a lot of ‘he said he said’, the cap space numbers people are using in their write-ups require a context, including the off-season calculations, the timing of Fleischmann’s contract agreement, July 27 I believe (before the scheduled arbitration hearing the next day) and the timing of when Mitchell signed with the Kings around or on August 25.

All speculation on my part, but it is possible there could have been a potential cap issue at one point between not knowing Fleischmann’s numbers and not wanting to lose an asset for nothing (i.e., being forced to walk away rather than sign and keep or trade) depending on an arb. award if it went that far, plus leaving room to lock in Mitchell and Belanger.

As I said yesterday, I feel for Belanger being caught up in this in terms of the person/ family. However, it is hard to feel for Belanger, the NHL hockey player who hadn’t signed a contract and who chose Tacopina, an inexperienced agent, even if he is an experienced lawyer.

by sk84fun_dc on Sep 16, 2010 10:44 AM EDT reply actions   4 recs

I'm the mc79hockey guy...

I don’t know the commenters here well enough to know who’s credible with regard to CBA issues and who isn’t, so I’ll have to check this out. If I understand you correctly, I think that you’re saying that Nylander’s contract effectively comes back onto the cap in the summer. Is that right? Have you allowed for the 10% cap cushion that teams are allowed to carry as well?

by Tyler Dellow on Sep 16, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sk8 is one that knows the cap and the CBA, so if she makes an assertion, it’s probably wise to assume she’s on to something.

I think she’s saying a couple of things here, regarding off-season cap space.

One, some one-way contracts, e.g., Nylander’s and Collins’, count fully against the cap in the off-season.

Two, some other contracts, e.g., Carlson’s, have only a pro-rated cap hit in the off-season.

I freely confess that I don’t know enough to comment one way or the other, beyond what I noted above, that sk8 knows what she’s talking about as a general rule.

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by fat_daddyo on Sep 16, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m just a fan, no special access or knowledge, but thanks, yes, I do try to follow the CBA and cap calculations pretty closely and did so before the existence of sites like CapGeek.

by sk84fun_dc on Sep 16, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

An oversight on my part to not explicitly note the 10% cap overage for the off-season as my comments were to be taken in the context of the cushion. I was trying to not make the post any lengthier than it already was. Yes, all of my calculations account for the off-season rules, prorating of contracts for some players, counting one-way contracts, and the overage allowed.

Yes, my understanding is that Nylander’s contract counts now, just like Huet’s does for Chicago.

So the point I was trying to make is when someone looks at CapGeek and/or runs their own numbers, they need to look at the off-season calculation when they discuss how much cap space and negotiating room the Caps do or do not have at a point in time.

A large portion of the off-season cushion disappears for the Caps as a result of the Nylander and Collins’ contracts so there is the potential for the timing of transactions (contracts and trades) to impact things in the off-season. Again, see Chicago for an example of the timing of certain transactions or Anaheim when making room mid-season for players and extensions (and the so much fun tagging room issue.)

In summary, I am not stating that the Caps couldn’t sign Belanger earlier, but I am noting there is a context to the management of the off-season cap, just like there is to the opening night roster cap as the cap rules and calculations are different during the two seasons (playing season and off-season.)

Hope this made it clearer and not more murky.

by sk84fun_dc on Sep 16, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

You did

Thanks, this is helpful – I’ll dig into it tonight.

by Tyler Dellow on Sep 16, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

now here’s an avatar-less SBN commenter that i actually care to read!

by Natty Bumppo on Sep 16, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Interesting. Why does Nyls and Collins contract count against the cap when other non-NHL roster guys like Holtby, etc. don’t count. Is it that because they are subject to waivers or one-way deals?

Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...

by dcsportsfan1 on Sep 16, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nylander has not been officially loaned/assigned to another team yet. Prolly the same for Collins.

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by EmilyB on Sep 16, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

The off-season cap calculation is not the same as the opening night roster and playing season calculation.

In the off-season, (50.5©(ii)(B)) – July 1 through and including the last day of training camp.

50.5(d)(i)(A) – Includes a list of what counts in the off-season when calculating the numbers and item (1) is all one-way contracts.

by sk84fun_dc on Sep 16, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Both Nylander and Collins are on one-way contracts so based on the off-season rules they count as a full cap hit in the summer. In past seasons, there have been other players who count in this manner. When a player is waived and demoted/loaned during camp, it creates the room for the in-season opening night and going forward roster.

And as noted above, there is a 10% overage in the off-season to provide teams with flexibility during the off.season

by sk84fun_dc on Sep 16, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good info, thanks!

Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...

by dcsportsfan1 on Sep 16, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Does that mean that the two way contracts of guys like Alzner and Carlson don’t count in the offseason?

Release the Mackan!

by Killer_Carlson on Sep 16, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

For players on two-way contracts, pro-rated using the number of days on an NHL roster last season and the NHL portion of the SPC: My understanding is the following players fall in this category: Neuvirth, Carlson, Alzner, Perreault, Aucoin, Beagle, Holtby, AGordon, Fahey, Sabourin, and Willsie, (Bourque does not count at the moment since the QO expired; earlier this season when the QO was still active he did count.) Looking at my notes, I don’t believe Greentree was called up to the NHL roster last season.

by sk84fun_dc on Sep 16, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Good stuff. Thanks.

Release the Mackan!

by Killer_Carlson on Sep 16, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

This blog has a bunch of kick-ass nerds. Woot!!!

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by oldemystix on Sep 16, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

After reading some articles about MJ90 where he and others talk about him not having adjusted to the smaller ice surface yet I started to think that the game today was going to end badly for him. Here’s a kid that have had at least three concussions and isn’t used to the smaller ice surface and his first game in 6 months is against the Flyers..
Then I thought that I was just being silly – he’s a hockey player and there’s no need to protect him.
Then I watched Chris Clackson hit on Linus Klasen from the rookie game between Nashville and Florida and I just want to keep him wrapped up in bubble wrap for a bit longer.

Pft why play a small French guy when you have a Svensk viking.

by Malin A on Sep 16, 2010 11:01 AM EDT reply actions  

There have been a few guys leaving these rookie games/scrimmages with injuries…see Colborne along with Klasen, among others. Whenever it is, there will always be a first scrimmage/game.

by sk84fun_dc on Sep 16, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

I know you are right but still…

Pft why play a small French guy when you have a Svensk viking.

by Malin A on Sep 16, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Delly’s former Colts teammate Zac Rinaldo is (I think) still technically serving a 12-game suspension for a really ugly boarding he delivered to a Brampton Battalion in the first round of the OHL playoffs. (Have to count the games, too busy to do so.)

He is, of course, a baby Flyer now.

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by EmilyB on Sep 16, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

The BSH boys singled him out as a guy to watch for a potential Bruess fight, fwiw…I’m guessing that means he’s playing.

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by Becca H on Sep 16, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

I hope Bruess can get to him before he tries to send Eakin through the Union Jack’s dasherboard…

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by EmilyB on Sep 16, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Something I typed up the other day -

Random observations/notes about potential Flyers’ rookie scrimmage prospects based on the Flyers’ rookie camp roster: (note, more players on the roster than are likely to play in the scrimmage)

- Mike Testwuide, attended Caps development camp in summer of ‘09; signed FA contract with Philly after finishing his senior season at CU; reports were Caps were in talks with him, too, but he chose to sign with Philly (brother is under contract with Philly, too); WCHA rivalries with Finley and Bruess
- Dowling (WHL overager) is a teammate of Eakin’s on the Broncos
- Chaput, Bissonnette and Carrier are Lewiston teammates
- Kevin Marshall and Kugryshev were Quebec teammates in 08-09
- Adam Morrison backed up Holtby in Holtby’s last season with Saskatoon
- Wellwood and Grubauer were teammates on Windsor for a portion of last season
- Dudas has played with Eakin and Mitchell in the past
- Zac Rinaldo has been teammates with Flemming (also, Carlson) in juniors before playing for London and then Barrie
- Bobrovsky, a former teammate of Orlov’s (Orlov obviously not at camp/playing in scrimmage because playing in KHL this season)

by sk84fun_dc on Sep 16, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

BSH has done some good stuff on Testwuide if anyone cares. He’s a guy who went through 4 years of college, had a good senior year but was never a real stud, and now the PHI media is pegging him as a guy to make the team out of camp despite the depth chart. BSH isn’t buying.

Rinaldo is probably going to try to kill someone.

PHI doesn’t have a ton of skill on their rookie team so I hope they don’t just goon it up like a couple years ago.

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by Rob Parker on Sep 16, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yikes.

That looked just like the Richards hit on Booth.

by Wheeler on Sep 16, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

That was an absolutely despicable hit. I hope Florida holds Clackson out of today’s game.

by Chris Burton on Sep 16, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

If not, I hope Preds send a message that cheap shots against one of their own won’t be tolerated. I couldn’t see if it was his elbow or not but you could see the intent there regardless. Bush league.

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by Carl Putnam on Sep 16, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nothing but a cheap shot. There was plenty of opportunity to skate across the middle and make contact anywhere but the head. That hit has no place in hockey. I hope he receives very serious discipline.

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by Boggles on Sep 16, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Total bush league hit by Clackson. That’s no different than the awful Richards and Cooke head shots.

Release the Mackan!

by Killer_Carlson on Sep 16, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

The hit seems like the very definition of a blind-side, back-pressure hit. Does the league have any ability to mete out justice in rookie games?

Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...

by dcsportsfan1 on Sep 16, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t know, but one would hope that a hit like that costs the guy his shot at a training camp slot, and that he’s explicitly told why he didn’t make training camp. “There’s no place on our team for this hit. Don’t ever do it again.”

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by gotsparkly on Sep 16, 2010 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

So if Dan Rosen is here covering the rookie game for nhl.com, does that mean it’s the biggest thing happening in the NHL today?

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by gfcaps fan on Sep 16, 2010 11:04 AM EDT reply actions  

The biggest thing about this whole Belanger thing is that the two entities that needed each other most (Belanger needed a place to play and a good salary and the Caps needed depth at center) never got together. While it’s obvious that Belanger’s agent dropped the ball badly, causing his client to likely lose nearly a million dollars this year, I can’t stop thinking that GMGM also dropped the ball.

Teams regularly sign players with the assumption that other players will be moved before the season began. But they take the initiative to get the guys under contract so they can better their roster.

by RCheli on Sep 16, 2010 11:06 AM EDT reply actions  

Time will tell if GMGM dropped the ball, but maybe he didn’t think the Caps needed Belanger as much as many of us did. Belanger is a depth guy, not any sort of cure. If GMGM really thinks he can get 2 Cs out of Flash/MP/Mackan then the analysis changes quite a bit. If we look back at this in 6 months and Mackan is playing well in the NHL and Flash is a credible 2C then the entire narrative will have to change.

The Caps signed extra guys last year, probably assuming they could move one, and it never happened. I understand the “we can always make room later” aspect, but you need another team to take the guy or you just waive an asset for nothing. Last year having all those NHL D is a big reason Carlson and Alzner didn’t come up. Maybe GMGM learned from that.

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by Rob Parker on Sep 16, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

On Belly

Belly made it clear at the beginning that the Habs were his first choice. Now imagine the scenario where the Habs offer him a 2 year deal at 3M per. Would he and his agent refuse that offer due to their oral agreement with the Caps? That’s probably worth thinking about before judging the situation.

by ChrisAm on Sep 16, 2010 1:33 PM EDT reply actions  

What a great read. Thanks for drawing attention to it. And what a courageous article to write. He’s going to piss some people off with that, but in the end it may do some real good.

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by Gould Old Days on Sep 16, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Am I the only one who is more concerned with blood doping in hockey than with steroid use. Doping is harder to test for, clears the body more quickly, is more morally vague. (for example, in cycling and the olympics, it is illegal to take a pint of your own blood out, wait a month, and then put it back in your body as this enhances performance but also has no medium or long term effects)

Doping would increase endurance and strikes me as more enhancing to one’s performance.

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by MikeyGreen on Sep 16, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is there really any reason to bother with sophisticated methods of doping when the testing for unsophisticated methods of doping are ineffective? If what Bourne is writing is to be believed (and I have no reason to doubt it), you could skip the blood transfusions and just go right for EPO. Especially with no testing in the playoffs…

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by iwearstripes on Sep 16, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

There is no testing in the playoffs?

I would dope every day.

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by MikeyGreen on Sep 16, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

You can tell Bourne never used PEDs, because he has gigantic balls.

Niiiiiiice.

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by D'ohboy on Sep 16, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

bwhahaha. I was hoping someone would notice my clever snark!

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by iwearstripes on Sep 16, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lots of people have/will. JP put it on Twitter, @JapersRink:

Comment on our site re: @jtbourne’s latest Puck Daddy post: “You can tell Bourne never used PEDs, because he has gigantic balls.” Indeed.

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by cuqui on Sep 16, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

7 minutes later and the two comments above aren’t green yet. Some folks around here need to take their preseason conditioning more serious.

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by Carl Putnam on Sep 16, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m helping to turn this one green in September.

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by J.P. on Sep 16, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

We’re rollin’…

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by J.P. on Sep 16, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ouch.

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by SeattleCapsFan on Sep 16, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry, but at that time of the day, people were on their way to or already at Kettler for the game.

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by gfcaps fan on Sep 16, 2010 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pun intended?

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by Steve-R on Sep 16, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

And if Nyls had listened to his agent instead of his wife perhaps he would have ended up in Edmonton. Women…

Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...

by dcsportsfan1 on Sep 16, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Would have probably worked out better professionally. But DC is just a more fun city to live in than Edmonton is. Let’s face it.

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by CapsFan75 on Sep 16, 2010 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Speaking of BM, I believe I saw that he was being invited to Canucks camp o a tryout. Makes sense if that is the case.

by sk84fun_dc on Sep 16, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right, that’s what I was alluding to.

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by J.P. on Sep 16, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m sure he’d love to play for Vancouver since he’s from there. (Vancouver seems to be a lot of guys’ favorite destinations, e.g. Hamhuis.)

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by CapsFan75 on Sep 16, 2010 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Honestly, I got the impression that Nylander isn’t able to play in any system. He didn’t exactly light it up in the Finnish league last year.

There’s a reason the guy isn’t coming to training camp this year, despite having no NMC and still having a contract in the organization.

by Wheeler on Sep 16, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

make it green!

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by RedBirdie on Sep 16, 2010 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I did my part for trying to get it green — I rec’ed it.

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by CapsFan75 on Sep 16, 2010 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

my thanks for the rec, but all credit to J.P. he did all the complex mental gymnastics. My mind is almost always staring up at the gutter, hence the ability to fit South Park song lyrics into the thread.. incidentally I had 2 other verses worked out but the warm-up had started so I had to put the phone away and actually watch the game. :-)

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by Boggles on Sep 17, 2010 7:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

If anything goes wrong for the Caps, blame it’s all Nylander’s fault.

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by CapsFan75 on Sep 16, 2010 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

well then post fail times three…it should have been in thread, I meant to type BMo, and I missed your point, duh

by sk84fun_dc on Sep 16, 2010 2:13 PM EDT reply actions  

times four, time out time

by sk84fun_dc on Sep 16, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

z

How ’bout a Game Day Open Thread at 2:30? Yeah? Yeah.

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by J.P. on Sep 16, 2010 2:26 PM EDT reply actions  

YES. Please. :)

There's always more to learn about Hockey.

by WordsOnIce on Sep 16, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

HOCKEY!

"If I was being paid thirty-thousand dollars a year, the very least I could do was hit .400." - Ted Williams

by Capsfan07 on Sep 16, 2010 2:30 PM EDT reply actions  

game feed

is anyone getting the game feed on the caps web site cause im just getting the little thing spinning in the middle of the player

by don95 on Sep 16, 2010 3:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Meee toooo. I’m in Florida trying to watch, so I thought it might have just been me.

by reesem37 on Sep 16, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Including the hit that ended a guy’s hockey career. And when he walked into Chicago’s locker room and got into a fight as GM, sticking up for his players.

Rocking the Red since 1975

by CapsFan75 on Sep 16, 2010 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

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